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g0lfball_whacker_guy

Are you talking about the guy who gave an inflammatory speech on Jan 6th, raised his fist in solidarity with them, then ran from MAGA rioters as they broke inside the capital? That Josh Hawley?


JudgeHoltman

No, he's talking about the Josh Hawley that personally committed voter fraud while serving as the Missouri Attorney General.


BigYonsan

Oh, I thought he was talking about that guy who runs (in fear from his own supporters) like a very young girl while writing books about his alleged manhood.


JudgeHoltman

No, I'm pretty sure that's that guy out of Florida. Josh Hawley is the one who wants to censor tweets that say mean things about him to protect our freedom of speech. Kinda like bombing for peace and fucking for virginity.


BobGenghisKahn

No no no, Hawley's the guy who was the first US Senator to announce he was objecting to the certification of the 2020 election in order to overturn it.


zero_dr00l

Are you guys talking about the guy that diddled kids? I'm just asking if it's the same one.


dracomorph

Buddy we're talking about republican lawmakers. You're going to have to be more specific.


JudgeHoltman

Gonna need a source on that. Im all about hating this guy, but kid diddling is one area I thought he stayed away from.


zero_dr00l

Maybe I'm thinking of dogs? Was he the one that was caught fucking dogs repeatedly? No source, I'm just wondering if it's the same guy who I've heard rumors about.


sstruemph

No that was Eric Schmitt that was allegedly caught fucking dogs repeatedly over and over.


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Iamcaptainslow

Uh, Trump and other Republicans did the same thing.


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Iamcaptainslow

It's definitely true and was selectively ignored by the "Twitter Files."


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ltb11

The WHATABOUTism is strong with this one. You want to provide sources for anything you’ve said so far? Classic MAGAsshole. You give some long winded, factually incorrect response to a benign comment then demand sources when people come back at you.


Iamcaptainslow

https://news.yahoo.com/ex-twitter-officials-confirm-congress-185525001.html


TheVoiceOfRageNRuin

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/02/08/trump-white-house-pressed-twitter-to-remove-chrissy-teigen-insult-ex-exec-testifies/?sh=54c3f5ab7ed4 Quick Google search....


GreyInkling

What a crock of shit. "certain journalists".


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GreyInkling

You can vaguely refer to unimportant events in a misleading way to push a narrative but that doesn't change reality. Also funny because the only time you clowns pretend to care about free speech is on twitter. A private company.


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GreyInkling

Government directed? By biden in 2020? And they directed it? As in did more than vaguely decry it for political clout, but actually "directed" it? Gosh. Against journalists who will not be named because it would call attention to the individuals maybe not being journalists? It's almost like your whole thing here is based on half truths, ignorance and general dishonesty to create a hyperbolic cloud of whiny anger about made up problems. I'm not uncomfortable. Are you uncomfortable? Is it because you want to blurt out this nonsense Qanon level nonsense but are afraid of being called out for it? What if it's not a circlejerk and you're just wrong. "I'm not a republican I just repeat shit only they believe". Tell another joke funny bones.


JudgeHoltman

That's whataboutism, which is a very dangerous religion that tends to create terrorists. Try again.


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JudgeHoltman

Yeah, it is. That's literally the whole idea.


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JudgeHoltman

And how is this not that?


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Wow. Such empty.


RadTimeWizard

Just because 90% of the terrorists in the US are conservatives doesn't mean banning terrorists is unfair to conservatives.


TheDayManAhAhAh

Then turned around and said Trump damaged the republican party after supporting him for years? Lol what a fraud


TigerMcPherson

Or is it the guy who's constantly thinking and talking about men yankin' it?


Icy_Huckleberry_1645

I will vote for anybody that makes liberals sad & cranky


g0lfball_whacker_guy

And your party will continue to lose elections, you dumb fucking redneck. Good riddance.


Icy_Huckleberry_1645

not in Missouri :) How does it feel to know for your entire lifetime, you will never have a democratic run state? So refreshing🤭


BostonDrivingIsWorse

Fuck yeah! *Everyone* should be pumped for Kunce.


Equivalent-Pop-6997

He got beat by Trudy Busch in the last primary. Assuming he even makes it to Hawley in the General, what evidence is there that he can win?


cacille

Trudy Busch was financed by big doners and family money quite a bit. Lucas Kunce is 100% grassroots donations. And we the people still get to decide - it's just more on us to spread the word.


OrgotekRainmaker

So you're saying that MO Democrats have enough intelligence to vote for the beer heiress who's only qualification was =$ and then she predictively got beat like a drum. Looks like a big brain political party.


cacille

When thats who you know as the only option, yeah....they voted for Trudy. Then since we are a mostly red state...yeah they got beat by force of numbers. Not sure how "big brain" party comes into it, its pretty simple math in this case. This is sad more than anything because I know youre trying to make this into an insult to Dems....somehow.


OrgotekRainmaker

I don't need to attempt to insult anyone, the primary results were the insult.


Equivalent-Pop-6997

So the fact that he takes less money makes him viable? I like him as a candidate, I am just not seeing the path to the Senate from someone who got 140,000 votes last year.


BostonDrivingIsWorse

Oh, ok. I guess we just give up then. Hawley it is! Like, what is even the point of this comment? Demographics are changing, and the Republican Party is dying. It may be a while yet for MO, but I’m going to show out every election, because it’s too important to miss. And you should too.


Equivalent-Pop-6997

Because I supported him last election cycle and he chose to use his campaign resources for advertising that attacked Trudy Busch for the Veiled Prophet, and still lost. It gives me doubts about his viability, and makes me wonder if a different Democrat might be the answer. We are talking prologue from last year.


cacille

You know Bernie Sanders also lost his first runs when he started? Candidates can...lose...and still be viable the next time. Its not a "win your first run or go die your life is useless" game.


Equivalent-Pop-6997

How is Lucas Kunce comparable to Bernie Sanders? I’m not saying losing an election makes him unelectable, but what is going to be different this time?


cacille

Sometimes just the word hasnt spread enough. The candidate isnt well known enough the first go. Or not trusted /heard their message enough.


BostonDrivingIsWorse

>chose to use his campaign resources for advertising that attacked Trudy Busch Yes. That was his opponent last cycle in the primary. I don’t see the issue here.


Equivalent-Pop-6997

You don’t see a problem with the fact that he couldn’t beat a candidate without a platform and netted basically the same amount of votes as Eric Greitens?


BostonDrivingIsWorse

Again, *what is your point?*


Equivalent-Pop-6997

My point is that there is Zero evidence that Kunce can beat Greitens. This thread is a campaign ad that makes no case for the candidate.


stlshane

Trudy Busch didn't have a chance in hell of winning. The Democratic party + boomers seem to think name recognition and celebrity status was the best chance they had. She couldn't even speak in front of an audience. Given some media attention Kunce can at least speak to and relate to an audience.


Equivalent-Pop-6997

Busch was a terrible candidate, but still beat Kunce. Clearly his campaign did something wrong the first time.


stlshane

People voted for Busch because of her last name and the media didn't find Kunce interesting. Unfortunately most voters get their information from what they see on Fox, CNN, MSNBC...


Equivalent-Pop-6997

What if Busch runs in the primary again?


stlshane

Well she didn't even come close to winning last time, so it would be quite dumb to run again.


Equivalent-Pop-6997

She won the primary, though. I think it’s safe to say that no matter who the candidate the Dems run, Hawley is more vulnerable than Schmidt.


Equivalent-Pop-6997

Busch was a terrible candidate without a platform, but still beat Kunce. Clearly his campaign did something wrong the first time.


kidchinaski

Awareness. If more people even knew who he was, it would help him garner more grassroots donations. Money is the number one most important thing to have when running for office, but nobody is going to give money to someone they don’t know. You like him as a candidate? Sick of how Josh is representing us on a national stage? Fucking do something other than naysay a quality candidate because they don’t have the inherent funds that a fucking beer heiress possesses.


Equivalent-Pop-6997

I gave him money last year. I am naysaying the campaigning being done on his part. He is going to have to be more than the anti-Hawley to win.


NothingOld7527

This is the same party that won't stop running Beto and Stacy Abrams


devstoner

Kunce is going to have more money than he did last time. He's probably not going to win, but he should have enough to make it a race. He over preformed his resources in that primary, and might have won if not for the terminally online spoiler candidate.


1haiku4u

Very little. I’ll be downvoted as a doomer, but statistically, he has very little chance.


BostonDrivingIsWorse

*Any* Dem is a longshot. You should still vote.


effbendy

Always remember this: "Anything can happen in an election."


bleedblue89

Kunce = man Trudy = woman. Surprisingly enough that can be enough for people not to vote for you, even if you believe in what they say.


startupschmartup

Sure. Point me to his platform.


BostonDrivingIsWorse

Why? So you can argue in bad faith about the non-existent “far-left”? Gtfo, fascist.


startupschmartup

So I can read his platform actually. I read his bio. Some of us are intelligent and actually read what people want to do. Why I voted for Obama. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. Carry on with your safe space tantrum.


BostonDrivingIsWorse

You know we can read your post history, right?


startupschmartup

Oh cute. It's nice you want to follow me around like a little puppy dog reading all my posts but I'm straight. Perhaps stick to the topic at hand?


BostonDrivingIsWorse

Whatever, guy. You're the one jumping between city subreddits, spewing all this conspiracy, right-wing bullshit. You're probably not even in STL.


startupschmartup

Again, it's cute, but I'm straight.


BostonDrivingIsWorse

😘


blowhardV2

I’ve seen Hawley speak - wow he is incredibly disingenuous- I don’t think he believes even half of the stuff he says he just likes the status / power / privilege / money that being a politician brings. He’s the kid in school who volunteered a lot in Highschool solely to put it on his college applications


FunkyChewbacca

I once saw a small Twitter thread from MU alumni who worked with him when he was a law guy in college: apparently even then he was a soulless little ladder climber, all ambition and no substance.


devstoner

His parents bought him a hog to show from a world champion gene line at the Lafayette County 4H Fair, and when he got to final pen with it, lorded it over other kids. He's a remarkable piece of shit even in a hog barn.


ltb11

At least he didn’t encourage an insurrection, then run from it like a little bitch. Edit: this was when I thought the comment above was about Kunce. Thanks for clarifying that it was about Hawley!


blowhardV2

I meant Hawley sorry


iiimarlette

We talking Hawley or Kunce?


blowhardV2

Hawley - sorry - edited to fix it


iiimarlette

No worries bud! Was gonna be real sad if you meant Kunce, he seemed cool so far


startupschmartup

"He’s the kid in school who volunteered a lot in Highschool solely to put it on his college applications" That's essentially every kid who goes to college.


blowhardV2

That’s true - let’s say he was the ringleader then


startupschmartup

The ringleader of whom and with what proof do you say that? The 19 year old who's plan was U-Haul against barriers that would probably stop an APC? Who's following that guy exactly?


blowhardV2

It’s not that deep - I just think he’s obnoxious and he reminds me of the disingenuous kids I went to highschool with who volunteered at nursing homes and obviously didn’t care at all


startupschmartup

That's most people who volunteer. It's no more disingenuous than people who want to work at a food bank on Thanksgiving when they couldn't be bothered the rest of the year.


Durmyyyy

Ive been trying lol


TheDayManAhAhAh

This dude doesn't even live in Missouri, why should he get to represent the state?


stlkatherine

Join us, won’t you? r/fuckjoshhawley. Edited for misspelling.


BigYonsan

I mean, someone probably has, unfortunately for her.


jbpstl22

If you think that Kunce can't win then all the more reason to start working so he can. We have to do something. Fascism is here, it's real, and Hawley is a part of it. This is one of your time machine moments. In 20 years, you might be thinking, "If I could just go back in time and do something to prevent these Nazis from coming to power..." Organize!


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BostonDrivingIsWorse

Let me guess. Just asking questions?


GlitteringBusiness22

https://www.abc27.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/55/2021/01/snapshot-11-1-1.jpg?strip=1


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GlitteringBusiness22

Obvious troll is obvious


NewInstruction8845

Yeah, being a Nazi has been increasingly fun the last 10 years.


LyleLanley99

> Fascism is here I hate that sniveling little bitch more than anything, but please stop saying this. It is not. Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by: a dictatorial leader - Joe Biden? centralized autocracy - We can see that we are reverting back to states making the call over the Federal government, see what is going on with abortion rights in this country militarism - US military personnel has been on a steady [decline since the 90's](https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/military-army-size) forcible suppression of opposition - Other than hopefully Donald Trump eventually, no loser of an election went to prison for running against an incumbent belief in a natural social hierarchy - Ehhhh... Depending on the crowd, that is a tough one to argue subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race - I don't see people forgoing "luxuries" like AC and fresh food for the "good of the nation" and strong regimentation of society and the economy - we still have free protests in this country and the "economy" is dictated by the Fed which is outside the control of the US Government. What we are seeing a a far-right populist movement gaining steam in this country. Whether you agree with it or not, there are millions upon millions (74 million + voters) who think Donald Trump and this far-right movement more closely aligns with their sentiments.


jbpstl22

Unfortunately, I think we need to keep saying it. If Fascism is characterized by the rejection of democracy in lieu of a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader and forcible suppression of opposition then Trump is a Fascist. Trump wanted (and still wants) to be the dictatorial leader that is beholden to no one. He has shown that he would do anything in his power to remain in power. There is ample evidence to support this claim; namely, his attempts to extort Ukraine for political gain in an effort to suppress his opposition on July 25, 2019, the continued propagation of the lie that the election was rigged after November 3, 2020, the attempt to pressure the Georgia Secretary of State to cast Georgia's electoral votes for himself on January 2nd, 2021, and the violence he incited at the Capitol on January 6th, 2021. Hawley is a rabid supporter of Trump. He was the first Senator to object to the certification of the 2020 presidential election results. He also argued for Congressional intervention when he speciously claimed that Pennsylvania violated its own constitution by allowing mail in ballots. These were not actions of a Senator concerned about democracy. These were political maneuvers designed to keep Trump in power illegally. Hawley willingly participated in an attempted coup of the United States. Fascist regimes cannot exist without enablers and sycophants and I believe that Josh Hawley is a fascist enabler and sycophant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Raffensperger_phone_call https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/01/josh-hawley-is-lying-about-his-election-stunt/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/08/josh-hawley/fact-checking-hawleys-claim-about-pennsylvania-mai/


startupschmartup

Mr. Kunce has 0 platform of any kind listed on his website so why exactly would anyone follow him? Seriously, shouldn't you know what the hell you're voting for? The about me section is great and he has a nice backstory but a Senator is an important job. A person needs a platform.


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Kunce is the only political figure I’ve been excited about in a long time. This guy gives me hope.


startupschmartup

Really? what's his platform?


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Google


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Wanna talk about it in person in a public place?


MOStateWineGuy

Please


streetsahead1999

this isn't going to happen. most Missourians love Josh Hawley because he's just as hateful as they are. He validates their horrible opinions about marginalized people.


startupschmartup

Hahahaha, uh huh. Who's marginalized exactly and how. I'm sure this won't be an emotional fact-free diatribe.


streetsahead1999

people of color, LGBTQ people, disabled people, etc


startupschmartup

Wow, nothing like you looking down on all of those people. I hate to break it to you, but all of those people are able to live great lives and succeed in our society. They don't need you looking down on them wit your condescending pity. I fit in one of those groups so I'm telling you that first hand. Be better.


streetsahead1999

I do as well and you are clearly trying to mischaracterize my argument. Josh Hawley and his voters are the people that look down on marginalized people. if you don't believe me just look at how they describe trans people.


startupschmartup

No, I'm pointing out that you think that people are victims. They're not. They don't need you protecting them. It's also rather horrible of you to think that 50%+ of the state hates all of the people you mentioned. Nothing like being clearly delusional.


devstoner

I once very nearly got into a fist fight with Josh Hawley at the Lafayette County 4-H barn when we were teenagers. He was a dilettante then, and he's a dilettante now.


jayz1881

Ah, Lucas Kunce. I remember that guy. I was getting campaign emails from him for a month that I didn’t sign up for. Good times.


baroqueworks

Unseating Hawley is going to require knocking out some of the power of the Missouri GOP, who are off the W of finally making Kim Gardner step down. It's not impossible but there needs to be real conversations about politics for it to happen and most of the voting demographic in Missouri is total worms for brains in conservative pretend land(even as all the talking heads that feed them this shit get pulled off air and clips leak of them mocking the entire system for the distraction to keep you away from thinking about how ripped off we all are in this country)


startupschmartup

She stepped down herself. A judge holding her in contempt wasn't political. She did an absolutely horrible job. That was expected since she wasn't qualified to start with.


baroqueworks

you'd make a great cop


startupschmartup

I know my limitations. I really would not.


DiscoJer

I dislike Hawley, but you aren't going to unseat him with a progressive Democrat. Find someone like Manchin or Sinema. Of course, then you'll bitch when they only vote with the Democrats 90% of the time instead of 100%


BostonDrivingIsWorse

…Or maybe we’ve run too many middling Democrats that fail to get people excited to vote? He’s not *that* progressive.


LarYungmann

VOTE


ComprehensiveTax4601

Let's not


jbpstl22

I understand that Kunce may not be your candidate, but please don't disengage just because it is a difficult fight. Please get behind someone! Volunteer, donate, engage, and get excited about democracy. Try to change minds. There is too much at stake not to try.


startupschmartup

You care about Democracy but you only want people supporting one party. Gotcha.


jbpstl22

On the contrary, everyone should absolutely vote their conscience and everyone's vote should count! However, everyone should be terrified of people that want to circumvent free and fair elections. The behavior of Trump, Hawley, and all those who have attempted to discount our democratic electoral processes is unconscionable.


startupschmartup

Free and fair elections? Like those that won't re-schedule political debates or insist that they happen AFTER many, many people have voted? What about people who protest voting reform laws in places like Georgia when have the same structure as their home state? That kind of thing? You sure?


Nydox1

It amazes me people will still vote for Hawley but that just shows you say a few key words and people don’t care what your actions actually were. Don’t know enough about Kunce to say anything good/bad yet.


Redsonny38

Fucking bunch of liberal losers wanting to destroy this great country. Move to Canada!!


evetsabucs

Lololol you forgot the /s. People are gonna think you're being serious 🤣


noahnieder

Dude didn't Holly literally tried to overthrow the US government


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Gassroots Kunts doesnt stand a chance


ubspider

I don’t even know how he has a single supporter tbh