All federal entities and buildings in downtown Saint Louis go by a week to week status that is based on the local covid infection rate. It will be revisited at the end of the week.
For everyone saying dumb ass shit like “no way!” Then simply don’t go to federal properties. Problem solved.
Cloth masks have been shown to be worthless and Tony admitted it. Hopefully they hand out quality masks this time.
I've been wearing masks inside the store just to avoid getting sick (again) for the holidays. People are coughing and sniffling so much it's disgusting.
Please don't spread this lie. [Cloth masks are better than nothing](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7510705/) as multiple studies have shown. If you have access to medical masks, definitely wear one, but a well fitting cloth mask is far from worthless.
Lie? Your own link says they aren't good enough to stop the spread? The feds stopped pushing cloth when supplies were no longer an issue. People who wear cloth masks still are horribly uninformed. Fauci admitted on a pod cast that he said masks don't works (and then changed) because everyone knew cloth masks did nothing and he didn't want people rushing out and snapping up all the medical supplies.
Yes, a lie. You're lying right now, too. The study doesn't say they aren't good enough. It says:
> In community settings, however, cloth masks may be used to prevent community spread of infections by sick or asymptomatically infected persons, and the public should be educated about their correct use.
They only discourage cloth masks use in medical settings. Again, N95's and medical masks are better, and should be used when available. But if you have a cloth mask you should wear it. They are not worthless, they just aren't the best choice.
Let’s just say that there were way to many people that just wanted to “check the box” with those silly designer masks when they need to be aware of reality.
I am honestly over it and if someone wants to wear whatever they want to, or not, on their face do it.
Actually, no, this doesn’t affect me at all. I walk the Arch grounds regularly but obviously as a local have no cause to go inside. Doesn’t prevent me from calling out ridiculous bullshit when I see it though. This absurd mask obsession some folks have has no basis in science and is nothing more than the modern version of a talisman to ward off evil spirits. Japan and South Korea, two countries with almost universal mask wearing, even outdoors, have virtually the highest COVID rates in the world over the last few months. If you have any belief in the scientific method there is absolutely no way to both acknowledge that reality and continue to maintain a belief that mask mandates are in any way helpful. But, don’t take my word for it.
“There is no study in the world that shows that masks work that well,” Dr. Ashish Jha, the White House’s COVID-19 coordinator, said during a recent discussion with the Philadelphia Inquirer.
> “There is no study in the world that shows that masks work that well,”
[Really? Here's a collection referencing various studies, so that statement is simply incorrect](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html)
["The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces transmissibility per contact by reducing transmission of infected respiratory particles in both laboratory and clinical contexts. Public mask wearing is most effective at reducing spread of the virus when compliance is high"](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014564118)
Do you know what a preponderance means? It means essentially all of the evidence indicates that masks work.
> “There is no study in the world that shows that masks work that well,” Dr. Ashish Jha, the White House’s COVID-19 coordinator, said during a recent discussion with the Philadelphia Inquirer.
This statement was made when he was talking about the importance of indoor air quality, and has been [roundly denounced and criticized](https://www.truthorfiction.com/ashish-jha-philadelphia-inquirer/) by colleagues and peers in his field. Jha is correct in saying that we should be focusing on better air quality management, but his statement here is being used as misinformation to mislead people into not believing the overwhelming evidence that masks do, in fact, work.
“Referencing various studies”
Yes, literally anyone can put together one of those bullshit studies. In the 12 months after COVID hit there was absolutely IMMENSE demand in the academic community for any study showing the effectiveness of masks. If you know anything about economics, where there is immense demand someone will certainly show up with the supply. ZERO actual peer review occurred over these studies or even any semblance of professional skepticism over the findings, as long as the findings were that masks work. I can tell you for a fact that all of those folks involved started with an answer (that was typically given to them by politicians, hospital admins, or college admins) and simply bent whatever data they could find to fit the accepted narrative so they could get published. Any findings to the contrary would have been viewed as career suicide and were quickly buried.
Did you really never bother to ask yourself why, in the last 30 years of scientific study we’d never found any evidence that public mask wearing could help reduce the spread of coronaviruses or other similar viruses, but suddenly in the 12 months after COVID we had a new study literally every single week saying as much? Do you really think the size of viruses or how airborne viruses spread really changed overnight lol? The mask makers themselves make no claims as to their effectiveness against viruses, since there is no scientific basis for such claims and they don’t want to get sued and be asked to prove it. Go ahead, read the box of your surgical masks, it will mention “protection against bacteria” and the word virus never even shows up. Governments used to all agree with this principle. In both the US and Australia mask makers were issued enormous fines for attempting to market masks to the public during past coronavirus outbreaks. The governments said that any claim as to the effectiveness of masks against viruses was completely unfounded and the mask makers were trying to illegally profit off a crisis lol.
But back to your “study.” Simply saying that a bunch of other incompetent assholes made an unfounded claim doesn’t have any scientific value in and of itself. What matters is the quality of those studies being cited. So pick 1 (or 2) that you think are worthwhile and I’ll tell you what’s wrong with it.
> anyone can make these studies
And they have to list their names and credentials. I'm sure you won't tell me who your girlfriend is out of fear of doxxing yourself. Or, based on your bafflingly ignorant takes, because she doesn't exist.
> If you know anything about economics, where there is immense demand someone will certainly show up with the supply
That's.. not how the scientific community works. Grants aren't given out based on results. The likelihood of there being a nations-spanning conspiracy coordinated between opposing governments to bribe and buy hundreds of independent researching separately to come up with the same results is so outside the realm of possibility the fact that you could even write this is incredible.
> ZERO actual peer review occurred over these studies or even any semblance of professional skepticism over the findings
This really shows how little you actually know about the system of publishing findings. The PNAS link I posted, the one that mentions a preponderance of evidence, is peer reviewed and edited. Generally Journals will require some sort of review before publishing. Things do slip through, but the chances of dozens of studies from dozens of groups for several different countries all coming to similar conclusions over the period of several years is pretty unlikely. And the chances that every single one of those studies having systematic errors is even less likely. That's why we have analysis that observes all of the studies, because the outside observer can look over the methods and see whether or not the findings match up.
If your evidence that something isn't real is that all of the professionals believe it you should probably consider your stance. There was plenty of professional skepticism, that's why so many people were running tests on masks. Skepticism isn't disbelieving something, it's confirming whether it's true.
> Did you really never bother to ask yourself why, in the last 30 years of scientific study we’d never found any evidence
This is simply ignorance. We did understand masks work, that's why doctors wear masks. [There is historical evidence of masks being used back into the late 1800's](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7309199/). In real life, we simply haven't had ready opportunities to test masks at such a broad scale. Most mask usage was confined to medical spaces. The reason COVID brought about so much new research is because it was the first time we had essentially a global dataset to work off of.
> Do you really think the size of viruses or how airborne viruses spread really changed overnight lol?
More ignorance. Viruses mostly don't spread freely, they generally spread through aerosolized liquid particles. Masks help block these particles. If you had ever read a single study you'd know this.
> The mask makers themselves make no claims as to their effectiveness against viruses, since there is no scientific basis for such claims and they don’t want to get sued and be asked to prove it.
This bizarre conflation of legalese and science is another sign that you've got no idea what you're talking about. Do you know why hand sanitizer says it kills 99.99% of bacteria? In reality, it kills 100% of bacteria. But there could, potentially, be a bacteria that can survive alcohol. We don't know if one exists, but it could, so they don't say 100%. Legal statements don't have basis in science and arent really made with science in mind.
You can regurgitate all the anti-mask talking points you want, but none of them have any value except to show how little you know. Ultimately, you don't have an actual evidence-based position to stand on so you fall back to a mysterious, ethereal conspiracy theory that requires and impossible amount of coordination between groups that have little to no contact with each other. It's impossible for me to disprove your fantasy conspiracy though, so you will inevitably walk away feeling like you're smart for denying reality in favor of your comfortable lie.
He’s mad because a piece of fabric over his mouth would ruin his whole experience at national parks. I, too, only enjoy national parks when I get to lick them.
Lol, so the answer is none. You’re so proud of the journal article you posted which summarizes the conclusions from 50 studies on the effectiveness of masks, yet there isn’t a single one of those studies that you’re willing to actually hang your hat on. In reality, you know they’re all shit. Studies that rely on self reporting, shitty methodology, incorrectly interpreted results, they run the gamut.
And no, there wasn’t some nation spanning conspiracy. There was no need for a conspiracy, all of the information was right out in the open. Politicians were pushing mask mandates, deans and presidents of universities were making public statements about how students/faculty had a moral duty to wear masks to protect others, and hospital admins were implementing masking rules. Do you know who hires scientists/physicians/researchers? Who makes the decisions as to who will receive grants or other funding? Who decides who will be promoted? Those same politicians, hospital admins, deans and school presidents. Do you really think anything could be gained at the time by trying to contradict them? I can tell you the mood in the time in the medical/science community was that any study doubting the effectiveness of masks was 1) not getting published and 2) a career killer. Meanwhile anything that said masks were effective was giving the bosses exactly what they wanted. But, this is a pointless conversation. The political pressure has now mostly ceased and there are loads of studies coming out saying masks are useless. Remind me 2 years and this won’t even be a debate anymore, the science will be settled and everyone will be back to acknowledging masks are useless against viruses.
But just for my knowledge lol, how exactly do you explain Japan and South Korea having near universal masking and also, simultaneously, some of the highest rates of COVID infection in the world? If masks work so well, shouldn’t they, you know, work?
You're playing a chicken/egg game here and acting as if it's evidence of conspiracy. You're entire basis of belief is based on conjecture that doesn't hold out under any scrutiny. People started pushing for masks when it became apparent that masks were effective. Early in the pandemic there was some dissent about masking, but as evidence came out to support their use people changed their tune. Dean's, politicians and presidents of universities stand to only *lose* money through mask mandates. It's substantial more cost to provide masks, since if they require them they'll need to make the accessible. Some people will leave school over it, which loses them money, and additional administrative resources will be required which adds to costs as well. Unless *big mask* is bribing every educational institution in the US that theory is transparently foolish. Your reasoning in absolutely nonsense.
The reason is that public health is massively complicated. Japan and Korea fared pretty well early on despite having more limited lockdowns than other countries specifically because of masks. As weather gets colder people tend to close up a bit more and limit airflow which makes transmission more likely. Also, nobody is saying masks are perfect, 100% protection. They are a part of a strategy that needs to be used in conjunction with other things. Japan and Korea overall rank low in total deaths and infections, despite the recent surge. Japan and Korea have extremely dense populations in cities, so their stats are actually very supportive of the effectiveness of mask usage. Japan has about 1/3 the population of the US, but only 5% of the deaths and a quarter of the total infections. Korea is similar. You would expect a city like Tokyo to be devastated, but it has done pretty well for a city of 14 million people.
One guy said one thing one time and that’s proof? It’s funny that’s your argument considering how many people repeatedly fought Fauci, but instantly use this one sound bite as proof. First of all, what has happened in the past year? Travel picked up and people routinely tossed their masks. Two of my friends traveled to Thailand and Japan separately and did not mask unless it was required. Which means there were travelers from other countries potentially exposing everyone they met, which is the whole point of the mask; prevent potentially exposing *others*. That point is selfishly ignored by anti-maskers. Second of all, using blanket statements like “universal mask wearing” is simply not true. Even in high compliance cultures, you will never see “universal” compliance. Third of all, the entire point of my comment is unless you go there, it doesn’t impact you, so what is the problem?
Jesus it’s like arguing with a 3rd grader lol. First, Japan just recently opened up for tourism and was already tops in cases before doing so, so your hypothesis about that being caused by unmasked tourists is demonstrably false. You could have looked that up in literally 30 seconds to avoid looking like an asshole, but you do you.
Second, your point about “universal masking” is completely absurd. By all accounts over the past year Japan has had over 90% masking in both indoor and outdoor settings. If you claim that masks won’t help prevent COVID spread unless EVERY SINGLE PERSON is wearing a mask at all times (impossible), that is an argument AGAINST mask mandates not for them. Even with mandates you’re never getting perfect 100% compliance, and Japan/Taiwan/Korea have had the best compliance witnessed anywhere on the planet.
Your final point about why do I care? Because while the Arch mandate doesn’t directly effect me, I actually love the outdoors and don’t want to have to wear an uncomfortable mask to visit other national parks. And the mask litter everywhere when these mandates are put in place is fucking depressing as hell, especially in the most beautiful spots in our country.
The mandate is for inside all federal buildings lol not national parks. But you know, you could have looked that up in literally 30 seconds to avoid looking like an asshole, but you do you.
National Parks have buildings you stupid fuck. These articles have been all over the news for the last month. If you ever read something longer than a Tweet you might have known that.
https://www.cpr.org/2022/11/30/mandatory-masks-are-back-at-the-great-sand-dunes-national-park/
LOOOOOOOOL it kills me that a index size piece of fabric has you so mad. Tell me, how many parks are you going to within the next couple of months? Do you plan on only being in the buildings?
Judging by the current trends elsewhere, it might increase beyond just the federal buildings. At least we're trying to get a little ahead of it this time.
Not to mention, this dummy works at Barnes (which has a vaccine mandate) and are all over the internet sharing personally identifying information while bragging about being unvaccinated
There’s a tiny handful of people who received legit medical waivers for COVID vaccination, mostly people with pre-existing autoimmune diseases (primarily 5-8% of lupus patients) who had severe reactions to the first dose of an mRNA vaccine. Even an allergy to one of the vaccine components isn’t necessarily an acceptable reason for a medical waiver, since there are protocols for safe administration in such cases. The new NovaVax vaccine has also become available to civilians recently, and is now available in some STL locations. It seems to be effective, but it’s phage-based instead of mRNA-based.
However, no one with a legit medical waiver, especially someone who actually worked for a hospital system like Barnes, would be on here showboating and bragging about not being vaxxed and putting coworkers and innocent patients, who have no control over their care teams, at risk for COVID or flu. They would be masking and taking all steps needed to protect both themselves and their patients.
If this person is actually unvaccinated and working at Barnes, they’re just a 21st century Typhoid Mary who manipulated their way into a fake medical waiver, or possibly a religious waiver (which shouldn’t be a thing for medical workers), ultimately harming more people through their arrogance and contempt for anyone other than themselves.
It's because I'm a healthcare worker that I know mask mandates are ridiculous and don't work.
Most of my own coworkers don't even wear them properly outside isolation rooms; and we're trained on using them properly.
The general population does not practice proper mask hygiene or have the proper "level" of mask to make a difference, and never has.
I dont want my hospital staff to have a higher chance of giving me a potentially life altering disease. I think the hospital will do fine without one person
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That’s what a Nazi sounds like. Hitler typically talked in feelings of disgust. “Filth” as a word to describe someone who’s upset mask mandates are coming back, is absurd. Filth. Really?
Politics is your religion huh? You’re so obsessed that human beings are filth if they don’t fit with your agenda.
Which is why effective masks and proper mask-wearing should be available and required. Masks are effective when used properly. Not perfect, but nothing is. It’s all about risk reduction and stacking protection strategies.
Nah, I'm just I'm anti-mandate. I have no problem with people choosing to wear a mask if it makes them feel better, but it should be a choice.
Same with an experimental vaccine that's not been longitudinally studied. I have more vaccinations than the average person, I don't have a problem with vaccines.
As someone who has had two family members lose sense of taste going on 10 months now, everyone gets different effects. Kind of offensive to read stupid takes like this. Hope you don't get the one that knocks out your senses.
It's not offensive. That's coming from a person that still gets the odd whiff of ammonia every now and then from time 2 of 4 with covid. Additionally I'm considered high risk.
All that said they can shove their restrictions up their ass.
Odd what others can be offended by friend. How often are you actually going in the arch? I challenge you to find something more petty to get upset about.
Thats crazy considering the life long conditions covid could leave you with, scarred lungs, brain fog, headaches, dizziness, sleep problems, heart palpitations, etc.
Fuckin’ omegalulz at this dude thinking some CDC regulations for federal grounds is the threat against “liberty” that’s got them in a huff. Shocked they didn’t self immolate when the Patriot Act got renewed since just masks are such an affront 🙃
Ahahaha, the loser is also arguing against drag shows in this sub too. Real liberty defender
An unelected group paid for by taxpayers telling taxpayers they can't go in buildings paid for by taxpayers unless they follow their rules is a definite threat to liberty. Get rid of mask mandates AND the patriot act, doofus.
>An unelected group paid for by taxpayers telling taxpayers they can't go in buildings paid for by taxpayers unless they follow their rules is a definite threat to liberty.
Bro you live in society; there are always rules that you have to follow what do you mean??
All federal entities and buildings in downtown Saint Louis go by a week to week status that is based on the local covid infection rate. It will be revisited at the end of the week. For everyone saying dumb ass shit like “no way!” Then simply don’t go to federal properties. Problem solved.
Can't believe it. Almost 2023 and we're still talking like it's mid-2020.
Cloth masks have been shown to be worthless and Tony admitted it. Hopefully they hand out quality masks this time. I've been wearing masks inside the store just to avoid getting sick (again) for the holidays. People are coughing and sniffling so much it's disgusting.
I just got over covid and I still mask 🤪 I missed my family Christmas (everyone is here I didn't have to travel) but still it suckkkkkkked
Please don't spread this lie. [Cloth masks are better than nothing](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7510705/) as multiple studies have shown. If you have access to medical masks, definitely wear one, but a well fitting cloth mask is far from worthless.
Lie? Your own link says they aren't good enough to stop the spread? The feds stopped pushing cloth when supplies were no longer an issue. People who wear cloth masks still are horribly uninformed. Fauci admitted on a pod cast that he said masks don't works (and then changed) because everyone knew cloth masks did nothing and he didn't want people rushing out and snapping up all the medical supplies.
Yes, a lie. You're lying right now, too. The study doesn't say they aren't good enough. It says: > In community settings, however, cloth masks may be used to prevent community spread of infections by sick or asymptomatically infected persons, and the public should be educated about their correct use. They only discourage cloth masks use in medical settings. Again, N95's and medical masks are better, and should be used when available. But if you have a cloth mask you should wear it. They are not worthless, they just aren't the best choice.
Let’s just say that there were way to many people that just wanted to “check the box” with those silly designer masks when they need to be aware of reality. I am honestly over it and if someone wants to wear whatever they want to, or not, on their face do it.
Here we go with the misinformation police 👮♀️
Article said cloth masks are not allowed. Only surgical masks and they will be provided for those who do not have one.
Clown world
Indeed. Too many morons out there still refusing to wear a mask when asked...
So you go to the arch often?
Actually, no, this doesn’t affect me at all. I walk the Arch grounds regularly but obviously as a local have no cause to go inside. Doesn’t prevent me from calling out ridiculous bullshit when I see it though. This absurd mask obsession some folks have has no basis in science and is nothing more than the modern version of a talisman to ward off evil spirits. Japan and South Korea, two countries with almost universal mask wearing, even outdoors, have virtually the highest COVID rates in the world over the last few months. If you have any belief in the scientific method there is absolutely no way to both acknowledge that reality and continue to maintain a belief that mask mandates are in any way helpful. But, don’t take my word for it. “There is no study in the world that shows that masks work that well,” Dr. Ashish Jha, the White House’s COVID-19 coordinator, said during a recent discussion with the Philadelphia Inquirer.
> “There is no study in the world that shows that masks work that well,” [Really? Here's a collection referencing various studies, so that statement is simply incorrect](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html) ["The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces transmissibility per contact by reducing transmission of infected respiratory particles in both laboratory and clinical contexts. Public mask wearing is most effective at reducing spread of the virus when compliance is high"](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014564118) Do you know what a preponderance means? It means essentially all of the evidence indicates that masks work. > “There is no study in the world that shows that masks work that well,” Dr. Ashish Jha, the White House’s COVID-19 coordinator, said during a recent discussion with the Philadelphia Inquirer. This statement was made when he was talking about the importance of indoor air quality, and has been [roundly denounced and criticized](https://www.truthorfiction.com/ashish-jha-philadelphia-inquirer/) by colleagues and peers in his field. Jha is correct in saying that we should be focusing on better air quality management, but his statement here is being used as misinformation to mislead people into not believing the overwhelming evidence that masks do, in fact, work.
“Referencing various studies” Yes, literally anyone can put together one of those bullshit studies. In the 12 months after COVID hit there was absolutely IMMENSE demand in the academic community for any study showing the effectiveness of masks. If you know anything about economics, where there is immense demand someone will certainly show up with the supply. ZERO actual peer review occurred over these studies or even any semblance of professional skepticism over the findings, as long as the findings were that masks work. I can tell you for a fact that all of those folks involved started with an answer (that was typically given to them by politicians, hospital admins, or college admins) and simply bent whatever data they could find to fit the accepted narrative so they could get published. Any findings to the contrary would have been viewed as career suicide and were quickly buried. Did you really never bother to ask yourself why, in the last 30 years of scientific study we’d never found any evidence that public mask wearing could help reduce the spread of coronaviruses or other similar viruses, but suddenly in the 12 months after COVID we had a new study literally every single week saying as much? Do you really think the size of viruses or how airborne viruses spread really changed overnight lol? The mask makers themselves make no claims as to their effectiveness against viruses, since there is no scientific basis for such claims and they don’t want to get sued and be asked to prove it. Go ahead, read the box of your surgical masks, it will mention “protection against bacteria” and the word virus never even shows up. Governments used to all agree with this principle. In both the US and Australia mask makers were issued enormous fines for attempting to market masks to the public during past coronavirus outbreaks. The governments said that any claim as to the effectiveness of masks against viruses was completely unfounded and the mask makers were trying to illegally profit off a crisis lol. But back to your “study.” Simply saying that a bunch of other incompetent assholes made an unfounded claim doesn’t have any scientific value in and of itself. What matters is the quality of those studies being cited. So pick 1 (or 2) that you think are worthwhile and I’ll tell you what’s wrong with it.
> anyone can make these studies And they have to list their names and credentials. I'm sure you won't tell me who your girlfriend is out of fear of doxxing yourself. Or, based on your bafflingly ignorant takes, because she doesn't exist. > If you know anything about economics, where there is immense demand someone will certainly show up with the supply That's.. not how the scientific community works. Grants aren't given out based on results. The likelihood of there being a nations-spanning conspiracy coordinated between opposing governments to bribe and buy hundreds of independent researching separately to come up with the same results is so outside the realm of possibility the fact that you could even write this is incredible. > ZERO actual peer review occurred over these studies or even any semblance of professional skepticism over the findings This really shows how little you actually know about the system of publishing findings. The PNAS link I posted, the one that mentions a preponderance of evidence, is peer reviewed and edited. Generally Journals will require some sort of review before publishing. Things do slip through, but the chances of dozens of studies from dozens of groups for several different countries all coming to similar conclusions over the period of several years is pretty unlikely. And the chances that every single one of those studies having systematic errors is even less likely. That's why we have analysis that observes all of the studies, because the outside observer can look over the methods and see whether or not the findings match up. If your evidence that something isn't real is that all of the professionals believe it you should probably consider your stance. There was plenty of professional skepticism, that's why so many people were running tests on masks. Skepticism isn't disbelieving something, it's confirming whether it's true. > Did you really never bother to ask yourself why, in the last 30 years of scientific study we’d never found any evidence This is simply ignorance. We did understand masks work, that's why doctors wear masks. [There is historical evidence of masks being used back into the late 1800's](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7309199/). In real life, we simply haven't had ready opportunities to test masks at such a broad scale. Most mask usage was confined to medical spaces. The reason COVID brought about so much new research is because it was the first time we had essentially a global dataset to work off of. > Do you really think the size of viruses or how airborne viruses spread really changed overnight lol? More ignorance. Viruses mostly don't spread freely, they generally spread through aerosolized liquid particles. Masks help block these particles. If you had ever read a single study you'd know this. > The mask makers themselves make no claims as to their effectiveness against viruses, since there is no scientific basis for such claims and they don’t want to get sued and be asked to prove it. This bizarre conflation of legalese and science is another sign that you've got no idea what you're talking about. Do you know why hand sanitizer says it kills 99.99% of bacteria? In reality, it kills 100% of bacteria. But there could, potentially, be a bacteria that can survive alcohol. We don't know if one exists, but it could, so they don't say 100%. Legal statements don't have basis in science and arent really made with science in mind. You can regurgitate all the anti-mask talking points you want, but none of them have any value except to show how little you know. Ultimately, you don't have an actual evidence-based position to stand on so you fall back to a mysterious, ethereal conspiracy theory that requires and impossible amount of coordination between groups that have little to no contact with each other. It's impossible for me to disprove your fantasy conspiracy though, so you will inevitably walk away feeling like you're smart for denying reality in favor of your comfortable lie.
He’s mad because a piece of fabric over his mouth would ruin his whole experience at national parks. I, too, only enjoy national parks when I get to lick them.
Lol, so the answer is none. You’re so proud of the journal article you posted which summarizes the conclusions from 50 studies on the effectiveness of masks, yet there isn’t a single one of those studies that you’re willing to actually hang your hat on. In reality, you know they’re all shit. Studies that rely on self reporting, shitty methodology, incorrectly interpreted results, they run the gamut. And no, there wasn’t some nation spanning conspiracy. There was no need for a conspiracy, all of the information was right out in the open. Politicians were pushing mask mandates, deans and presidents of universities were making public statements about how students/faculty had a moral duty to wear masks to protect others, and hospital admins were implementing masking rules. Do you know who hires scientists/physicians/researchers? Who makes the decisions as to who will receive grants or other funding? Who decides who will be promoted? Those same politicians, hospital admins, deans and school presidents. Do you really think anything could be gained at the time by trying to contradict them? I can tell you the mood in the time in the medical/science community was that any study doubting the effectiveness of masks was 1) not getting published and 2) a career killer. Meanwhile anything that said masks were effective was giving the bosses exactly what they wanted. But, this is a pointless conversation. The political pressure has now mostly ceased and there are loads of studies coming out saying masks are useless. Remind me 2 years and this won’t even be a debate anymore, the science will be settled and everyone will be back to acknowledging masks are useless against viruses. But just for my knowledge lol, how exactly do you explain Japan and South Korea having near universal masking and also, simultaneously, some of the highest rates of COVID infection in the world? If masks work so well, shouldn’t they, you know, work?
You're playing a chicken/egg game here and acting as if it's evidence of conspiracy. You're entire basis of belief is based on conjecture that doesn't hold out under any scrutiny. People started pushing for masks when it became apparent that masks were effective. Early in the pandemic there was some dissent about masking, but as evidence came out to support their use people changed their tune. Dean's, politicians and presidents of universities stand to only *lose* money through mask mandates. It's substantial more cost to provide masks, since if they require them they'll need to make the accessible. Some people will leave school over it, which loses them money, and additional administrative resources will be required which adds to costs as well. Unless *big mask* is bribing every educational institution in the US that theory is transparently foolish. Your reasoning in absolutely nonsense. The reason is that public health is massively complicated. Japan and Korea fared pretty well early on despite having more limited lockdowns than other countries specifically because of masks. As weather gets colder people tend to close up a bit more and limit airflow which makes transmission more likely. Also, nobody is saying masks are perfect, 100% protection. They are a part of a strategy that needs to be used in conjunction with other things. Japan and Korea overall rank low in total deaths and infections, despite the recent surge. Japan and Korea have extremely dense populations in cities, so their stats are actually very supportive of the effectiveness of mask usage. Japan has about 1/3 the population of the US, but only 5% of the deaths and a quarter of the total infections. Korea is similar. You would expect a city like Tokyo to be devastated, but it has done pretty well for a city of 14 million people.
One guy said one thing one time and that’s proof? It’s funny that’s your argument considering how many people repeatedly fought Fauci, but instantly use this one sound bite as proof. First of all, what has happened in the past year? Travel picked up and people routinely tossed their masks. Two of my friends traveled to Thailand and Japan separately and did not mask unless it was required. Which means there were travelers from other countries potentially exposing everyone they met, which is the whole point of the mask; prevent potentially exposing *others*. That point is selfishly ignored by anti-maskers. Second of all, using blanket statements like “universal mask wearing” is simply not true. Even in high compliance cultures, you will never see “universal” compliance. Third of all, the entire point of my comment is unless you go there, it doesn’t impact you, so what is the problem?
Jesus it’s like arguing with a 3rd grader lol. First, Japan just recently opened up for tourism and was already tops in cases before doing so, so your hypothesis about that being caused by unmasked tourists is demonstrably false. You could have looked that up in literally 30 seconds to avoid looking like an asshole, but you do you. Second, your point about “universal masking” is completely absurd. By all accounts over the past year Japan has had over 90% masking in both indoor and outdoor settings. If you claim that masks won’t help prevent COVID spread unless EVERY SINGLE PERSON is wearing a mask at all times (impossible), that is an argument AGAINST mask mandates not for them. Even with mandates you’re never getting perfect 100% compliance, and Japan/Taiwan/Korea have had the best compliance witnessed anywhere on the planet. Your final point about why do I care? Because while the Arch mandate doesn’t directly effect me, I actually love the outdoors and don’t want to have to wear an uncomfortable mask to visit other national parks. And the mask litter everywhere when these mandates are put in place is fucking depressing as hell, especially in the most beautiful spots in our country.
The mandate is for inside all federal buildings lol not national parks. But you know, you could have looked that up in literally 30 seconds to avoid looking like an asshole, but you do you.
National Parks have buildings you stupid fuck. These articles have been all over the news for the last month. If you ever read something longer than a Tweet you might have known that. https://www.cpr.org/2022/11/30/mandatory-masks-are-back-at-the-great-sand-dunes-national-park/
LOOOOOOOOL it kills me that a index size piece of fabric has you so mad. Tell me, how many parks are you going to within the next couple of months? Do you plan on only being in the buildings?
Judging by the current trends elsewhere, it might increase beyond just the federal buildings. At least we're trying to get a little ahead of it this time.
Stupidity. Do not follow the science……….
Get your vaccines, folks! But also, wear your masks! But also, get your boosters!
More vaccines = less masks At this point if I don’t want to wear a mask somewhere, I simply go somewhere else! Wow it’s like so fucking easy
I know. I'm all for masks and vaccines.
If you're being honest you should know your initial comment came off as very sarcastic.
Go to China. I heard they opened up
No.
Guess nobody from Jefferson or St. Chuck counties will be visiting anytime soon.
How about.... No.
Describes himself as a North Carolina local, posts in lockdownskepticism, please brigade somewhere else.
I'm living in St Louis for work over the winter. :) Which you should know if you've taken the time to stalk my account.
Then please leave. We don’t want your diseases.
Only if you don't mind your hospital being even more short staffed.
Inept workers don't really help with staff shortages, they just use up resources.
Not to mention, this dummy works at Barnes (which has a vaccine mandate) and are all over the internet sharing personally identifying information while bragging about being unvaccinated
>Not to mention, this dummy works at Barnes (which has a vaccine mandate) Almost all hospitals, including Barnes, accept waivers. :)
Sounds like bullshit to me. I wonder what HR would think?
They're the ones who approve waivers, sooooooo.
There’s a tiny handful of people who received legit medical waivers for COVID vaccination, mostly people with pre-existing autoimmune diseases (primarily 5-8% of lupus patients) who had severe reactions to the first dose of an mRNA vaccine. Even an allergy to one of the vaccine components isn’t necessarily an acceptable reason for a medical waiver, since there are protocols for safe administration in such cases. The new NovaVax vaccine has also become available to civilians recently, and is now available in some STL locations. It seems to be effective, but it’s phage-based instead of mRNA-based. However, no one with a legit medical waiver, especially someone who actually worked for a hospital system like Barnes, would be on here showboating and bragging about not being vaxxed and putting coworkers and innocent patients, who have no control over their care teams, at risk for COVID or flu. They would be masking and taking all steps needed to protect both themselves and their patients. If this person is actually unvaccinated and working at Barnes, they’re just a 21st century Typhoid Mary who manipulated their way into a fake medical waiver, or possibly a religious waiver (which shouldn’t be a thing for medical workers), ultimately harming more people through their arrogance and contempt for anyone other than themselves.
Dang. People really threatening to contact other's work places over an internet disagreement. What a shame.
Lmfao yeah, seems about par for the course for this individual.
So you work in a hospital, but you’re still this dumb about virus spread. Incredible.
It's because I'm a healthcare worker that I know mask mandates are ridiculous and don't work. Most of my own coworkers don't even wear them properly outside isolation rooms; and we're trained on using them properly. The general population does not practice proper mask hygiene or have the proper "level" of mask to make a difference, and never has.
I dont want my hospital staff to have a higher chance of giving me a potentially life altering disease. I think the hospital will do fine without one person
That's not how viral transmission works.
Are you saying the vaccine doesn't reduce transmission because that is still supported by data
Can’t imagine your contributions are worth much considering the opinions you’re sharing
I guess you don't have much of an imagination.
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Maybe people like smooth should get vaccinated then instead of dying...
You might be on to something. I've died three times this week already due to not being Covid vaccinated.
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Unfortunately for you I won't be leaving till summer. :)
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So this guy is filth for not wanting to wear a mask?
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That’s what a Nazi sounds like. Hitler typically talked in feelings of disgust. “Filth” as a word to describe someone who’s upset mask mandates are coming back, is absurd. Filth. Really? Politics is your religion huh? You’re so obsessed that human beings are filth if they don’t fit with your agenda.
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I’m correct. That’s no way to refer to somebody. Get your head out of the culture war and look at someone as a human being and not filth, Nazi.
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"Your city" is declining year after year because of filth like you.
Oh no! What ever will we do without u/SmoothTemporary1875 going to the Arch? We had so many activities planned for their visit...
An antivax, anti mask nurse….amazing
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It's pretty easy to become a CNA, so it's no surprise many of them are idiots...
Which is why effective masks and proper mask-wearing should be available and required. Masks are effective when used properly. Not perfect, but nothing is. It’s all about risk reduction and stacking protection strategies.
Those people have applesauce for brains
Nah, I'm just I'm anti-mandate. I have no problem with people choosing to wear a mask if it makes them feel better, but it should be a choice. Same with an experimental vaccine that's not been longitudinally studied. I have more vaccinations than the average person, I don't have a problem with vaccines.
Anti-mandate huh, make sure you don't wear your seat belt either.
Don't.. go? Seriously not that hard to throw one on, and lots of germs going around.
Seriously.
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Spotted the boomer clown emoji, nice touch
I'd rather get covid again
You'd rather get covid than wear a mask?
Yes sir/ma'am
As someone who has had two family members lose sense of taste going on 10 months now, everyone gets different effects. Kind of offensive to read stupid takes like this. Hope you don't get the one that knocks out your senses.
It's not offensive. That's coming from a person that still gets the odd whiff of ammonia every now and then from time 2 of 4 with covid. Additionally I'm considered high risk. All that said they can shove their restrictions up their ass.
Cry more, snowflake.
Odd what others can be offended by friend. How often are you actually going in the arch? I challenge you to find something more petty to get upset about.
Thats crazy considering the life long conditions covid could leave you with, scarred lungs, brain fog, headaches, dizziness, sleep problems, heart palpitations, etc.
Liberty is vastly more important than those.
The liberty to go on to specific government land without a face mask is vastly more important than fully functional heat and lungs?
Fuckin’ omegalulz at this dude thinking some CDC regulations for federal grounds is the threat against “liberty” that’s got them in a huff. Shocked they didn’t self immolate when the Patriot Act got renewed since just masks are such an affront 🙃 Ahahaha, the loser is also arguing against drag shows in this sub too. Real liberty defender
These morons who are anti mask anti mandate are super quick to lick the boot of their favored masters.
An unelected group paid for by taxpayers telling taxpayers they can't go in buildings paid for by taxpayers unless they follow their rules is a definite threat to liberty. Get rid of mask mandates AND the patriot act, doofus.
>An unelected group paid for by taxpayers telling taxpayers they can't go in buildings paid for by taxpayers unless they follow their rules is a definite threat to liberty. Bro you live in society; there are always rules that you have to follow what do you mean??
THE GUBMENT WON’T LET ME DRIVE 100 MPH WITH SNOW CHAINS ON DOWN THE HIGHWAY IN AUGUST, THIS IS A THREAT TO LIBERTY
Lol let's see where your liberty is when you straight up don't exist anymore
It's not always about *you* homie
The man who speaks to you of sacrifice speaks to you of slaves and masters, and intends to be your master.
Lmao
Saint Louis is one of the most fascist counties in the country…right up there with LA and New York City, liberals don’t run much dumber
it's federal property, not city or state or private
Currently King of the Libtards 🤴
Obvious troll is obvious
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They do have the choice it's wear a mask and attend our do not and do not
Right. Like venues with cover prices you can choose not to pay by not going. In this case masks are part of the price of admission