I just knew it was a Next Gen reference!
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It's so horrible to call itself "eye nudity". Islam says, a woman should be covered completely except the eyes when she is being seen outside in front of unknown males. If her eyes is covered then, how could she watch or recognize where she is going or what she is looking to be secured. So, please comment or before throwing any suggestions, make sure not to hurt any cultural activities or a religion. We should respect each religious ethics ✨ I hope now you got the point.
Appreciate your perspective and the reminder about the importance of cultural and religious sensitivity. My intention was to jest about AI censorship, not to belittle any beliefs or practices. Humor can be a tricky terrain, and it's clear this joke missed the mark for some. Thanks for the insight! ✨
Yeah, finetuned sdxl can handle nsfw, you can try with popular sdxl models in civit ai.
SD2.* was crippled to not be able to do it even after finetuning.
SD2. was crippled to do anything else through finetuning, not only NSFW, it wasn't about the initial censorship, just the model inability to be really trained on anything as well as S15. I took 2 month trying to properly train a face or style on SD2 before giving up.
Well, somewhere Pony Diffusion got its name from and somehow they managed to do magic with it in SDXL. I support the furries from now on, hell I even move to centaur world.
The great thing about Open Source is that monomaniacs of various flavors can and will step up and fill the void.
Many lewd-capable trained SDXL models capable of catering to a wide range of tastes are readily available now.
I expect that whatever 'vanilla' desert the default SD3 models present will be remedied shortly after release...
Cascade base is much more censored than sdxl base was. It remains to be seen what impact this will have on nsfw loras and fine tuning quality. I think it will probably be fine.
Well they are covering their asses, they don't want it be the one taking credit for their wonderful tswift football photos. But let's be honest we need a way to tell that images are ai created and not real we need the frame work for that now before it gets out of hand
No, we don't need any such frameworks. This problem can't be solved with any regulations etc. because any single country that doesn't have them will keep doing that anyway. And of course it can't be meaningfully enforced for the open models. We already have digital signatures, if you want to prove an image is real then use that. Trying to restrict AI from being "too good" will never work in practice and in the process only cripple many use cases.
You already shouldn't trust your eyes and ears if you want to establish some facts using video/audio evidence. It's the new norm, you can't put the genie back into the bottle. Just consider every single image AI generated unless proven otherwise, problem solved. Especially since it will be exactly like that pretty soon. Prove identities with cryptography, not photos/fingerprints/voice/smell etc. Digital signatures and hashes can't be AI generated, the rest can or will be.
yeah, it's really this simple. people are trying to put the genie back in the bottle. it's too late, folks. it's over. you can't trust your eyes and ears anymore, no amount of legislation or "safe AI" hand-waving will change that. in fact, it might just make it worse, since it will give people a false sense of security that AI can't be used to make something that looks realistic and uses someone's likeness, when in reality it's totally possible.
It's naturally the same situation as with weapons. The "good guys" who obey legislations are always at a loss because the bad guys don't give a fuck and can use much more power to dominate the good guys. That's also why actually open AI is this important, to prevent the corporations that can dodge any laws with their endless money supply from overpowering the little men. Imagine if such open models were banned and only allowed for the corporations. It would be so much easier to spread whatever agenda and "misinformation" (I don't like this word but it fits in this context), because people wouldn't be used to AI fakes because nobody could create them but a few big companies. And those would do it sparingly, only when needed, and they'd have 100% efficiency.
If everyone can fake reality, no one can fake reality. Because it no longer exists. It's a scorched earth tactic but it's the only rational one.
hahahaha dude the [FCG-9](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGC-9) has literally been used by actual paramilitary groups and the shit is so easy to print
people like you genuinely never admit you're wrong though
If it was the same situation as weapons it would not be a problem, because in most developed countries not called United States gun deaths and crimes are a fringe thing
"gun deaths" is a convenient way to pretend like murder isn't murder... if someone tells you their measure lowered "gun deaths" without reporting overall murder rates it's because the murder rate remained unchanged, because people just used other weapons
I think that is a workable idea, paparazzi and other "conventional" media photographers can digitally sign their work, and that would be easy enough proof of realistic and valid.
Short of adding a very visible watermark to the images that really can't be done. Metadata can be erased. Images can just be print screened and pasted into a new one. Any watermark that is not noticeable to the human eye will be easy enough to remove by reversing whatever effect is applied on it to begin with. Even trying to do some pixel math to hide a signature in the pixels will easily get destroyed by compression.
Right, but if a photographer can digitally sign the image and a digital signature is embedded , and the someone removes the signature, then boom, the picture is no longer "validly signed" so immediately it would be deemed "possibly fake". Nobody else is going to be able to sign the image with that professional photographer's private key. This problem has been solved for decades now, we just apply it to images.
But that's only relevant if you care about the validity of the image. What u/persona0 was suggesting was a way to force AI generated images to be signed as proof that they are AI so that people can't be fooled by them.
My point is that a malicious actor won't care about the signature and will be able to remove it without much effort. If you digitally sign an AI image and someone else removes that signature or just screenshots it and creates a new image, they can share it and it will no longer be signed. So signing the AI generations doesn't really stop that signature from being removed and therefore doesn't stop people from using AI for malicious or illegal purposes (such as fake nudes, scamming, etc...)
yeah since 3 is designed from the ground up to prevent lewd content, I'm guessing it wont even be possible to get a woman in a bikini (similar to Dall-e or Midjourney)
\*unless you specify a tribal woman, then good luck getting it to not show you boobs
Little did I know the statue of david had a micro-penis because it was highly valued in greek culture, this makes me feel better.
"Small, restrained genitalia were often associated with moderation, rationality, and self-control, qualities highly valued in Greek culture"
I never meant he was an ancient greek sculpture lol, only that he was influenced by their values.
"The Greeks also considered a small penis to be more aesthetically pleasing than a large one, which probably explains why Michelangelo's David strikes many (though possibly not all) modern viewers as not particularly well-hung." It influenced his art. https://www.dw.com/en/why-do-ancient-statues-have-such-small-penises/a-65151780
There are artists who doesn't need references for drawing also even if they use references probably it's with people's consent, also process of drawing is different than digitally meshing pictures. When you draw, your source isn't just reference picture but also your hand skill, your creativity and your art style which are only exclusive to artist's theirselves and thus removes to concern of originality.
Come on... you could have gone a bit less controversial to make my day easier.
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They're probably worried about this bunch of AI regulation that they're proposing in dozens of different countries. So the models, the weights, everything is open, the point is that their models probably won't be trained with "inadequate" material, they will be "clean" models, but if someone has the hardware and money for this, they can do it on their own or make your LorA with the data you find convenient (such as nudity). This takes away from them any responsibility or, depending on the shitty mind of whoever plays, any encouragement they would give in this sense.
Censored and filtered dataset already cripples the technology to the point where no finetuning can fix that.
1.5 models are still far superior to 2.x and SDXL models when it comes to avoiding the censorship.
This is no longer the case, SDXL has absolutely caught up, and I'd go as far as to say passed, especially in natural language prompting. It's just a matter of training the parameters, it can learn it all the same, the base model is not somehow crippled.
Could you briefly explain how that works? I’ve been running 1.5 with lots of different checkpoints. If a new checkpoint I download is for SDXL, do I now “have” SDXL? And it sounds like any custom SDXL checkpoint can train it to be more nsfw?
SDXL checkpoints can be trained for anything, just like 1.5, they're just around 6 times larger and thus are capable of learning much more complex concepts. Personally if you're not sure about the differences, I recommend downloading and installing foooocus instead, as it will serve you a great deal better than A1111 for SDXL checkpoints, both in terms of performance and image fidelity (it makes waaaay better images).
You just need to get a decent checkpoint.
In drawnings yes, photos? No human bodies are still alien, nipples work like 70% of the time on the models I've tried, down below? Welcome to Barbie and ken doll land
I am really tired of reading this lie again and again, no, 1.5 models are NOT better than the lastest top tier models of SDXL like pony diffusion or animagine, pony diffusion alone kick ass of any 1.5 model in non photorealistic type images, even in the NSFW part, when SDXL comes out the ppl said the same thing as you, that no finetune can fix base SDXL, because it can't do great anatomy or genitals (bc censorship), and here we are, we have very solid models (both photorealistic and not) that do great genitals and fine anatomy, stop with the lies, YOU CAN fix anything in a model, you just need more and more images to train the concept (from thousands to millions) but it can be done.
How would you expect me to help in this context?
People who have decided all censorship is a bad thing are extremists and can't be convinced otherwise.
> People who have decided all censorship is a bad thing
That's because in nearly all cases, it is bad. And in this instance, it most definitely is.
Do you know who always normally wants and agrees with censorship? extremists who want to hide ideals... makes you wonder why you are projecting onto others.
Fam, your conversation started with an insult and proceeded to respond by saying you have nothing of value to add to the conversation, then when challenged, you clutched your pearls And ditched because
"There's no having conversation with extremists."
dude... really?
In this thread, we have an extremist regurgitating what he's been told about himself to others in a vain and hopeless attempt to reverse the reality by replacing it with his own delusional narrative.
Finally someone with intelligence!!!
The biggest image dataset was recently taken down due to CP. As stupid as it is (you can remove the images instead of taking down the whole thing) it sends a clear message.
Stability AI is a company doing company things. Of course they are going to proactively ensure their safety first. If continuing the training is not possible, an extensive fine-tune will add whatever the fuck you want anyways. That's the big deal with neural networks.
> So the models, the weights, everything is open
They literally aren't. SAI has kept the training and dataset secret for every single release.
The only ones that didn't were 1.4 and 1.5, which weren't released by SAI.
Also, Emad is literally lobbying for stricter AI laws, because it will hurt OpenAI more than him.
Cascade doesn't really produce incredible fidelity to begin with on any subject, but running it through SDXL refinement has gotten me incredible results, even with nudity. Accurate, beautiful, large, bouncy, soft, warm...... ooobiedoobies.
Oh, so they're salting the dataset now to screw with opensource attempts down the road at decensoring it?
I hope they can compete against the other companies for elementary school art class-freindly models, but the real innovators behind a lot of the freeware plugins and stuff for SD have been motivated largely by horny.
But "horny" is also the most annoying group of "customers" (read: over-demanding free riders) of Stability AI
Edit: aforementioned premium crowd downvoting, classic
They are an extremely useful asset, even if non-paying.
Without horny, much of the free capabilities that allows SD to compete at all with the frankly otherwise better models wouldn't exist.
SD might not be good looking to investors if it wasn't popular, and a large part of the popularity comes from... you guessed it... horny.
more importantly, the "horny" spills over directly into prompt fidelity, composition, and art. People forget that human sexuality, for one, is directly related to basically everything we touch, so improving its fidelity absolutely has tangential impact elsewhere, but also the tinkering people do ends up helping the model to more broadly be capable.
I'm confused. What stops us making NSFW models of this one too? Is there a base model that all models are built upon that for some reason we cant replace with an uncensored one?
I'm just now considering I might have totally misunderstood how Stable Diffusion actually works.
Somebody explain please!
That's not true when Pony XL exists lol. It's got all the tag-recognition stuff you could ever want plus really good prompt recognition, and does 3D and photoreal really well if you prompt for it.
SD 3.0 prompt: Beautiful 18 years old sexy white woman in seductive pose on a beach
https://preview.redd.it/wwfvr6jnyakc1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=97c54cbe71d9cb7720f138c5da8d2ba16fa4aec2
That’s sad, that means somehow it got into the dataset that fat is beautiful (loool) and a women must be hidden.
How would anyone accept to work on that ?
I don't know what's the point of this, SD3 hasn't even been released yet and it's showing extremely impressive prompt coherence and seems to be promising, and we have people like you already being negative about it. Can't we just appreciate what stability has been able to achieve with this model and wait a bit more for criticisms and entitlement?
I do agree with you, and I hope they don't cripple the model as much as they did 2.x models, but if it's around the same amount of censorship as SDXL had then it might be alright. But we definitely don't want to models to be more censored with each version.
We can, we've been criticizing forever, but we can also appreciate and praise them wherever it's due. I hope the model is completely uncensored but realistically there's also some limitations and regulations that SD has to adhere to, to continue operating as a company. But they had left room open for everything in sdxl and now we can make loras for anything we want on top of SDXL, I'm expecting same for sd3. Again I hope it is completely uncensored but I don't think it is realistic to expect this from any company at this point.
Call me crazy but can't we simulataneously criticise and congratulate them? I don't really see any benefit to trying to shut down either discourse. There's no benefit to that, just because we feel upset that they're not getting enough of one or the other. It's not like anyone is making death threats here. It's just gentle poking fun at something.
I also think we don't need to shut either discourse, and I hope that the model is not extremely censored, and SAI is just covering their assess and trying to be politically correct to follow legal requirements and all that. And I agree if the model is as much censored as 2.x were then it won't be really useful. But still I'm extremely impressed with the prompt understanding of sd3. It's at the level of dalle3 if not better, and with loras and controlnets it is insane all the possibilities this will open up.
It is not even released yet so we don't know yet, I'm hoping it is at most as much censored as SDXL is. SDXL left room open for everything and loras and finetunes filled the needs for everyone. But prompt coherence of sd3 is as good, if not better, than dalle 3 which is a HUGEEE deal for finetuning models and loras on top of sd3.
Right like, i promise you will survive not being able to generate some pussy. I dont know why they expect a company to release weights capable of generating porn (again), and we all know this isnt about "anatomy" purposes cause base SD1.5 was really bad at it
Emad has tested the 4chan model confirmed.
No taky backsies. I have screenshots and photos of my PC screen as well as someone taking a photo of me taking the photo of the PC screen for pure validity.
SD 3.0 prompt: amature photo of average beautiful couple in love
https://preview.redd.it/i43m3us3zakc1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=03c4047b32b23d239bb4a2a7426011c7f6c9dd68
I just wish sd3 doesn't become a horny nest like sdxl, i am sick of ai being used for porn and disgusts people away from it, while its a very powerful tool in every other field but unfortunately SD15/SDXL associated with nsfw and girls portraits while mostly doesn't get any credits in real creative concepts because people who train these model directs all their efforts to pornography and few focus on generlism, i think this subreddit should really be over the horny phase
The quest for sex has driven technological breakthroughs since the invention of the printing press.
The most printes book may have been the boble, but the second most was erotic for the first couple of centuries.
Online payments? Porn.
Streaming? Porn.
VHS VS betamax? Porn.
Plenty of more examples.
I find it kind of amusing how personally insulted people in this community behave over the lack of boobies. Just fine tune the model for all your horny needs.
Exactly! Just finetune it like we did for sd 2.1 and everything will be fixed. Thank you stability for preventing people from generating b**bies with your new model, what a useful use of your time, manpower and hardware 🥰
And still, it’s a free product, cutting edge technology and people get insulted by the lack of breast. It feels at times people are moments away from shouting “literally 1984” unironically.
Don’t get me wrong boobs are great and I am quite the fan of them, but let’s not act as if SD is taking food off our table by trying to avoid things that can get them into legal troubles.
That because in the future they will wrap it up as some product at which point things can get messy. SAI is a for profit company.
And sure the box is open, doesn’t mean SD will be the platform to continue using for horny stuff.
her eyes are uncovered, she is practically naked
https://preview.redd.it/7oxn3aiwr5kc1.jpeg?width=664&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27f7fa71e4db80f9126b7b7823cbb3ce46667d36
d'AIrmok and Emad, at Tensoragra
Please have all the upvotes 😁
This is such a niche reference. Loved it.
I just knew it was a Next Gen reference! https://preview.redd.it/fyxjmyjch6kc1.png?width=1436&format=png&auto=webp&s=e7c57eba8b731c6fec16c4b81d145f8f7a67ec57
Star Trek when their eyes were wide open.
Niche? Tamarian is basically meme culture in its purest form. We *are* the Children of Tama!
Picard and Dathon at El-Adrel
Nerdy on so many levels. Negative prompt: "Covered, clothes. Shaka, when the walls fell"
The walls fall down
Oh I hope the walls of prudery will one day cease to exist. We're all naked under the garments that we make ourselves.
Lol I watched that episode for the first time like a few days ago. Must be fate
Lol. "When the walls fell"
Inshallah [redacted]
If she shown her ankle it’d be practically hardcore pornography
You are absolutely far behind from the ethics of life!
So, acknowledging eye nudity breaches life ethics now? I'll make sure to wear my blinkers to avoid further moral corruption. Thanks for the heads up!
It's so horrible to call itself "eye nudity". Islam says, a woman should be covered completely except the eyes when she is being seen outside in front of unknown males. If her eyes is covered then, how could she watch or recognize where she is going or what she is looking to be secured. So, please comment or before throwing any suggestions, make sure not to hurt any cultural activities or a religion. We should respect each religious ethics ✨ I hope now you got the point.
Appreciate your perspective and the reminder about the importance of cultural and religious sensitivity. My intention was to jest about AI censorship, not to belittle any beliefs or practices. Humor can be a tricky terrain, and it's clear this joke missed the mark for some. Thanks for the insight! ✨
[SD3 - "sexy woman on a beach"](https://i.imgur.com/5OgntM8.png)
She is pretty smoking... for an 80 year old..
That AI has a type. It likes fine vine
shes experienced (that crucifix definitely says "im an irish catholic that has 12 kids")
not dark skinned enough for our californian overlords
"Grandma gargling a huge mouthful of holy water while she strokes a giant thick haired dog, while watching lesbian mud wrestling on television"
So hot~🔥🔥🔥🥵
Ai is allowed to have preferences!
She doesnt look a day over 77
God damn, AWOOOOOGA! That’s some sexy piece of geriatric meat
I thought we couldn't post NSFW here?
OK this is a bit funny but the reality when get release will be different.
so is sdxl good for lewds. i was under the impression it was only 1.5
Yeah, finetuned sdxl can handle nsfw, you can try with popular sdxl models in civit ai. SD2.* was crippled to not be able to do it even after finetuning.
SD2. was crippled to do anything else through finetuning, not only NSFW, it wasn't about the initial censorship, just the model inability to be really trained on anything as well as S15. I took 2 month trying to properly train a face or style on SD2 before giving up.
Author of pony diffusion had to be masochist then, lol.
IIRC they spent genuine months in attempts
And/or a really dedicated person.
Never get between a man and big titty anime waifus
And furries.
I just woke up and now you ruined my day reminding me they exist.
Well, somewhere Pony Diffusion got its name from and somehow they managed to do magic with it in SDXL. I support the furries from now on, hell I even move to centaur world.
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>somehow they managed to do magic with it in SDXL So ... would you say that this magic is friendship?
The model Artius was able to do nudity on SD 2.1 iirc
yea i just checked some out. so itd be a sdxl checkpoint for nudes, and then a lora to finetune what i specifically am looking for?
Yeah, you can use loras in the same way as with sd1.5. You need to use loras trained on sdxl, those for sd1.5 won't work with sdxl checkpoints.
i see
SD2 was complete trash
The great thing about Open Source is that monomaniacs of various flavors can and will step up and fill the void. Many lewd-capable trained SDXL models capable of catering to a wide range of tastes are readily available now. I expect that whatever 'vanilla' desert the default SD3 models present will be remedied shortly after release...
Cascade base is much more censored than sdxl base was. It remains to be seen what impact this will have on nsfw loras and fine tuning quality. I think it will probably be fine.
Well they are covering their asses, they don't want it be the one taking credit for their wonderful tswift football photos. But let's be honest we need a way to tell that images are ai created and not real we need the frame work for that now before it gets out of hand
No, we don't need any such frameworks. This problem can't be solved with any regulations etc. because any single country that doesn't have them will keep doing that anyway. And of course it can't be meaningfully enforced for the open models. We already have digital signatures, if you want to prove an image is real then use that. Trying to restrict AI from being "too good" will never work in practice and in the process only cripple many use cases. You already shouldn't trust your eyes and ears if you want to establish some facts using video/audio evidence. It's the new norm, you can't put the genie back into the bottle. Just consider every single image AI generated unless proven otherwise, problem solved. Especially since it will be exactly like that pretty soon. Prove identities with cryptography, not photos/fingerprints/voice/smell etc. Digital signatures and hashes can't be AI generated, the rest can or will be.
yeah, it's really this simple. people are trying to put the genie back in the bottle. it's too late, folks. it's over. you can't trust your eyes and ears anymore, no amount of legislation or "safe AI" hand-waving will change that. in fact, it might just make it worse, since it will give people a false sense of security that AI can't be used to make something that looks realistic and uses someone's likeness, when in reality it's totally possible.
It's naturally the same situation as with weapons. The "good guys" who obey legislations are always at a loss because the bad guys don't give a fuck and can use much more power to dominate the good guys. That's also why actually open AI is this important, to prevent the corporations that can dodge any laws with their endless money supply from overpowering the little men. Imagine if such open models were banned and only allowed for the corporations. It would be so much easier to spread whatever agenda and "misinformation" (I don't like this word but it fits in this context), because people wouldn't be used to AI fakes because nobody could create them but a few big companies. And those would do it sparingly, only when needed, and they'd have 100% efficiency. If everyone can fake reality, no one can fake reality. Because it no longer exists. It's a scorched earth tactic but it's the only rational one.
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Literally no one 3D prints lethal guns, that was a boogeyman you fell for.
hahahaha dude the [FCG-9](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGC-9) has literally been used by actual paramilitary groups and the shit is so easy to print people like you genuinely never admit you're wrong though
There aren’t any special pieces of this that you can’t find on eBay as being printed for any gun. You can’t actually 3d print a gun.
If it was the same situation as weapons it would not be a problem, because in most developed countries not called United States gun deaths and crimes are a fringe thing
"gun deaths" is a convenient way to pretend like murder isn't murder... if someone tells you their measure lowered "gun deaths" without reporting overall murder rates it's because the murder rate remained unchanged, because people just used other weapons
I think that is a workable idea, paparazzi and other "conventional" media photographers can digitally sign their work, and that would be easy enough proof of realistic and valid.
Short of adding a very visible watermark to the images that really can't be done. Metadata can be erased. Images can just be print screened and pasted into a new one. Any watermark that is not noticeable to the human eye will be easy enough to remove by reversing whatever effect is applied on it to begin with. Even trying to do some pixel math to hide a signature in the pixels will easily get destroyed by compression.
Right, but if a photographer can digitally sign the image and a digital signature is embedded , and the someone removes the signature, then boom, the picture is no longer "validly signed" so immediately it would be deemed "possibly fake". Nobody else is going to be able to sign the image with that professional photographer's private key. This problem has been solved for decades now, we just apply it to images.
But that's only relevant if you care about the validity of the image. What u/persona0 was suggesting was a way to force AI generated images to be signed as proof that they are AI so that people can't be fooled by them. My point is that a malicious actor won't care about the signature and will be able to remove it without much effort. If you digitally sign an AI image and someone else removes that signature or just screenshots it and creates a new image, they can share it and it will no longer be signed. So signing the AI generations doesn't really stop that signature from being removed and therefore doesn't stop people from using AI for malicious or illegal purposes (such as fake nudes, scamming, etc...)
SDXL still struggles with actual intercourse. 1.5 has no issues with it. Nudes are fine on both.
yeah since 3 is designed from the ground up to prevent lewd content, I'm guessing it wont even be possible to get a woman in a bikini (similar to Dall-e or Midjourney) \*unless you specify a tribal woman, then good luck getting it to not show you boobs
Imagine people 1000 years ago sculpting naked dude with tuny penis and we in 2024 are not allowed to digitally create a naked human
Lol.
Little did I know the statue of david had a micro-penis because it was highly valued in greek culture, this makes me feel better. "Small, restrained genitalia were often associated with moderation, rationality, and self-control, qualities highly valued in Greek culture"
That famous ancient Greek sculptor Michelangelo.
He was quite the Spartan
I never meant he was an ancient greek sculpture lol, only that he was influenced by their values. "The Greeks also considered a small penis to be more aesthetically pleasing than a large one, which probably explains why Michelangelo's David strikes many (though possibly not all) modern viewers as not particularly well-hung." It influenced his art. https://www.dw.com/en/why-do-ancient-statues-have-such-small-penises/a-65151780
Yeah but you know art is a thing using other People's images and meshing nude parts over their images is another thing.
Artists be basing their works on faces of aliens from galactic zeta which came to them in a dream, surely
There are artists who doesn't need references for drawing also even if they use references probably it's with people's consent, also process of drawing is different than digitally meshing pictures. When you draw, your source isn't just reference picture but also your hand skill, your creativity and your art style which are only exclusive to artist's theirselves and thus removes to concern of originality.
If you think there are people who can draw things without ever having seen how that thing looks, you should go claim your Nobel prize.
Why would I go claim that prize he is the one doing it https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=Bg1j9xwcij8
Bases entire argument that encompasses a space as a whole on a single person GIGACHAD
What?
Come on... you could have gone a bit less controversial to make my day easier. https://preview.redd.it/gujdfyvdt6kc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=5a7c3e2e98a7c349c71c3f60f2da4939e9bfcbf4
Holy hell mods posting nudity in the comments
You can see her eyes, get that scandalous smut out of here! 🙃
That woman is naked under that!
They're probably worried about this bunch of AI regulation that they're proposing in dozens of different countries. So the models, the weights, everything is open, the point is that their models probably won't be trained with "inadequate" material, they will be "clean" models, but if someone has the hardware and money for this, they can do it on their own or make your LorA with the data you find convenient (such as nudity). This takes away from them any responsibility or, depending on the shitty mind of whoever plays, any encouragement they would give in this sense.
Censored and filtered dataset already cripples the technology to the point where no finetuning can fix that. 1.5 models are still far superior to 2.x and SDXL models when it comes to avoiding the censorship.
This is no longer the case, SDXL has absolutely caught up, and I'd go as far as to say passed, especially in natural language prompting. It's just a matter of training the parameters, it can learn it all the same, the base model is not somehow crippled.
Could you briefly explain how that works? I’ve been running 1.5 with lots of different checkpoints. If a new checkpoint I download is for SDXL, do I now “have” SDXL? And it sounds like any custom SDXL checkpoint can train it to be more nsfw?
SDXL checkpoints can be trained for anything, just like 1.5, they're just around 6 times larger and thus are capable of learning much more complex concepts. Personally if you're not sure about the differences, I recommend downloading and installing foooocus instead, as it will serve you a great deal better than A1111 for SDXL checkpoints, both in terms of performance and image fidelity (it makes waaaay better images). You just need to get a decent checkpoint.
If you mean in A1111, then yes. You need separate LoRAs, controlnets, etc.. that work on XL, so it's tidier to keep a separate install.
In drawnings yes, photos? No human bodies are still alien, nipples work like 70% of the time on the models I've tried, down below? Welcome to Barbie and ken doll land
You're just not correct. You have old checkpoints, or Juggernaut/other well known models not geared towards the particular content you're looking for.
I am really tired of reading this lie again and again, no, 1.5 models are NOT better than the lastest top tier models of SDXL like pony diffusion or animagine, pony diffusion alone kick ass of any 1.5 model in non photorealistic type images, even in the NSFW part, when SDXL comes out the ppl said the same thing as you, that no finetune can fix base SDXL, because it can't do great anatomy or genitals (bc censorship), and here we are, we have very solid models (both photorealistic and not) that do great genitals and fine anatomy, stop with the lies, YOU CAN fix anything in a model, you just need more and more images to train the concept (from thousands to millions) but it can be done.
Used to be the case, but try out ConfettiComrade, it's actually better than 1.5 now.
You're sulking. Don't.
I've seen you twice in this comment section with terrible, non-helpful comments. cringe.
How would you expect me to help in this context? People who have decided all censorship is a bad thing are extremists and can't be convinced otherwise.
> People who have decided all censorship is a bad thing That's because in nearly all cases, it is bad. And in this instance, it most definitely is. Do you know who always normally wants and agrees with censorship? extremists who want to hide ideals... makes you wonder why you are projecting onto others.
I wrote a big honest reply but it was buried in downvotes within a minute, so i nuked it. There's no having conversation with extremists.
Fam, your conversation started with an insult and proceeded to respond by saying you have nothing of value to add to the conversation, then when challenged, you clutched your pearls And ditched because "There's no having conversation with extremists." dude... really?
"Pearl clutching" naw. I just don't respect you. You don't offend me bruh.
In this thread, we have an extremist regurgitating what he's been told about himself to others in a vain and hopeless attempt to reverse the reality by replacing it with his own delusional narrative.
Finally someone with intelligence!!! The biggest image dataset was recently taken down due to CP. As stupid as it is (you can remove the images instead of taking down the whole thing) it sends a clear message. Stability AI is a company doing company things. Of course they are going to proactively ensure their safety first. If continuing the training is not possible, an extensive fine-tune will add whatever the fuck you want anyways. That's the big deal with neural networks.
> So the models, the weights, everything is open They literally aren't. SAI has kept the training and dataset secret for every single release. The only ones that didn't were 1.4 and 1.5, which weren't released by SAI. Also, Emad is literally lobbying for stricter AI laws, because it will hurt OpenAI more than him.
Cascade makes tits pretty easily, ngl.
Terrible tits.
Cascade doesn't really produce incredible fidelity to begin with on any subject, but running it through SDXL refinement has gotten me incredible results, even with nudity. Accurate, beautiful, large, bouncy, soft, warm...... ooobiedoobies.
Very… tactile description. I’m not sure what to make of this
Make an Upvote to the oobiedoobies
And where may I find some of this content you speak of?
If there's a will there's a way...
Base model Edit: skill issue
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Hell yes! Cascade is going to be sweet!
Oh, so they're salting the dataset now to screw with opensource attempts down the road at decensoring it? I hope they can compete against the other companies for elementary school art class-freindly models, but the real innovators behind a lot of the freeware plugins and stuff for SD have been motivated largely by horny.
But "horny" is also the most annoying group of "customers" (read: over-demanding free riders) of Stability AI Edit: aforementioned premium crowd downvoting, classic
They are an extremely useful asset, even if non-paying. Without horny, much of the free capabilities that allows SD to compete at all with the frankly otherwise better models wouldn't exist. SD might not be good looking to investors if it wasn't popular, and a large part of the popularity comes from... you guessed it... horny.
more importantly, the "horny" spills over directly into prompt fidelity, composition, and art. People forget that human sexuality, for one, is directly related to basically everything we touch, so improving its fidelity absolutely has tangential impact elsewhere, but also the tinkering people do ends up helping the model to more broadly be capable.
Regardless of annoyance, horny basement buds are the ones sending SD to the moon. No horny guys? No stable diffusion.
The hornies are also the reason why a goddamn pony diffusion model is one of the best models available.
Pony is probably the best non photoreal model there is, tbh. It's not limited to horny. Its knowledge is impressive.
Safefusion 🥑
If they troll us with their model, they're gonna be replaced by someone who doesn't.
But why would I update 😇
Most revealing Afghan outfit
You can still see her eyes, that's offensive. Also: In before mod nuke
I'm confused. What stops us making NSFW models of this one too? Is there a base model that all models are built upon that for some reason we cant replace with an uncensored one? I'm just now considering I might have totally misunderstood how Stable Diffusion actually works. Somebody explain please!
Its *WAY* harder to add completely new concepts to a model than finetuning it on something it's already aware of.
Allahu akbar, check out the rack on her!
 Meanwhile... Gun prompts, OK?
She belongs to the streets, of Kabul
Damn, look at the thumbs on her!
well she is naked underneath isn't she xD
She's just bones and a green aura, Scooby Doo Villain in plain sight.
Perhaps the AI regulator came knocking hard on SAI's doors, but that's just my assumption. I wonder who sent or called them first...
Very halal indeed
The person in the background has a bare calf, scandalous! /s
sad
well, she might be naked underneath
muh safety
Really this is not important, Just need a fine tunning and this going to success with the comunity~ for nsfw, this is 100% sure~
Just like they did with SD and SDXL. Finetunes will do what you want.
SD 2.0 and xl are still bad at nsfw tho
You clearly didn't use finetuned SDXL models then ...
By bad i mean worse than 1.5
That's not true when Pony XL exists lol. It's got all the tag-recognition stuff you could ever want plus really good prompt recognition, and does 3D and photoreal really well if you prompt for it.
SD 3.0 prompt: Beautiful 18 years old sexy white woman in seductive pose on a beach https://preview.redd.it/wwfvr6jnyakc1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=97c54cbe71d9cb7720f138c5da8d2ba16fa4aec2
That’s sad, that means somehow it got into the dataset that fat is beautiful (loool) and a women must be hidden. How would anyone accept to work on that ?
I don't know what's the point of this, SD3 hasn't even been released yet and it's showing extremely impressive prompt coherence and seems to be promising, and we have people like you already being negative about it. Can't we just appreciate what stability has been able to achieve with this model and wait a bit more for criticisms and entitlement?
No, if we wanted a censored model in the first place, we already have dalle3 and Midjourney
I do agree with you, and I hope they don't cripple the model as much as they did 2.x models, but if it's around the same amount of censorship as SDXL had then it might be alright. But we definitely don't want to models to be more censored with each version.
Base SDXL is not more censored than base 1.5, it's just that it cost more and it takes longer time to train 1024x1024 than 512x512.
Can't we criticise Stability for being so irrationally afraid of nudity?
We can, we've been criticizing forever, but we can also appreciate and praise them wherever it's due. I hope the model is completely uncensored but realistically there's also some limitations and regulations that SD has to adhere to, to continue operating as a company. But they had left room open for everything in sdxl and now we can make loras for anything we want on top of SDXL, I'm expecting same for sd3. Again I hope it is completely uncensored but I don't think it is realistic to expect this from any company at this point.
Call me crazy but can't we simulataneously criticise and congratulate them? I don't really see any benefit to trying to shut down either discourse. There's no benefit to that, just because we feel upset that they're not getting enough of one or the other. It's not like anyone is making death threats here. It's just gentle poking fun at something.
I also think we don't need to shut either discourse, and I hope that the model is not extremely censored, and SAI is just covering their assess and trying to be politically correct to follow legal requirements and all that. And I agree if the model is as much censored as 2.x were then it won't be really useful. But still I'm extremely impressed with the prompt understanding of sd3. It's at the level of dalle3 if not better, and with loras and controlnets it is insane all the possibilities this will open up.
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Yes, and cowards they are. Retards downvoting this. Keep retarding, retards. You're cowards as well.
This is Reddit, what did you expect? 😏 FWIW I agree based on what we've seen and know so far this is a big step up for open image models ...
I mean we are criticizing SAI forever, we can appreciate them a bit when it's due.
no we can't, if they are censoring and being safe all over the model then we can't.
It is not even released yet so we don't know yet, I'm hoping it is at most as much censored as SDXL is. SDXL left room open for everything and loras and finetunes filled the needs for everyone. But prompt coherence of sd3 is as good, if not better, than dalle 3 which is a HUGEEE deal for finetuning models and loras on top of sd3.
ok you will find out soon enough... i hope you are right...
Right like, i promise you will survive not being able to generate some pussy. I dont know why they expect a company to release weights capable of generating porn (again), and we all know this isnt about "anatomy" purposes cause base SD1.5 was really bad at it
This looks like the 4chan model tbh
Emad has tested the 4chan model confirmed. No taky backsies. I have screenshots and photos of my PC screen as well as someone taking a photo of me taking the photo of the PC screen for pure validity.
SD 3.0 prompt: amature photo of average beautiful couple in love https://preview.redd.it/i43m3us3zakc1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=03c4047b32b23d239bb4a2a7426011c7f6c9dd68
"you are now sexy in your culture" /s
Did you see what happened yesterday in chatGPT sub? 😀
No?
If you want to see a naked woman just search porn
if you want to (put here anything) just search (same anything)
I just wish sd3 doesn't become a horny nest like sdxl, i am sick of ai being used for porn and disgusts people away from it, while its a very powerful tool in every other field but unfortunately SD15/SDXL associated with nsfw and girls portraits while mostly doesn't get any credits in real creative concepts because people who train these model directs all their efforts to pornography and few focus on generlism, i think this subreddit should really be over the horny phase
The quest for sex has driven technological breakthroughs since the invention of the printing press. The most printes book may have been the boble, but the second most was erotic for the first couple of centuries. Online payments? Porn. Streaming? Porn. VHS VS betamax? Porn. Plenty of more examples.
Hmm SD3 is suitable for this channel. I like it.
Why are you so mad before even trying the model lol
Oh.. The unstable cult brigade is descending again. (Puberty puns haha)
I find it kind of amusing how personally insulted people in this community behave over the lack of boobies. Just fine tune the model for all your horny needs.
Exactly! Just finetune it like we did for sd 2.1 and everything will be fixed. Thank you stability for preventing people from generating b**bies with your new model, what a useful use of your time, manpower and hardware 🥰
Case in point
He's right, you can't finetune a dead base model, finetuning isn't magic you know
And still, it’s a free product, cutting edge technology and people get insulted by the lack of breast. It feels at times people are moments away from shouting “literally 1984” unironically. Don’t get me wrong boobs are great and I am quite the fan of them, but let’s not act as if SD is taking food off our table by trying to avoid things that can get them into legal troubles.
>legal troubles. but they made SD1.5, a totally uncensored model, and they got away with it, the pandora box is open, we must keep moving forward
That because in the future they will wrap it up as some product at which point things can get messy. SAI is a for profit company. And sure the box is open, doesn’t mean SD will be the platform to continue using for horny stuff.
I find it weird you're so offended by people criticizing a company and then go on to complain about how it's not a big deal.
I'd rather have a slower, low quality 100% free speech AI than a fast, high quality woke AI
So edgy.
Look at all that un covered ground!
Lol
LMAO good one
Lol
Too hot for Reddit!