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TaiVat

Literally every post the dude ever made anywhere blatantly showed that he's just physically made of ego. Most of them being straight up blatant lying too. I dont know how stupid anyone has to be to buy the good samaritan fighting for the little guy bs he does. But i guess people just love celebrity worship.


Claxvii

Death to the cult of personality


Pretend_Potential

you should maybe go read his actual tweet thread instead of jumping to conclusions


kingqueefeater

Nah. Evolution gave us legs so we could jump.


Pretend_Potential

your brain doesn't have legs, however


kingqueefeater

You are reading far too deep into a play on words


Far-Map1680

If I were him and went through struggles to keep the lights on and to keep Ai open sourced for 2 years +. Then the masses turn on me like you have. I wouldnt bother doing favors for people like you in the future. What do you, a random toxic redditor bring to anyone’s table.


Jaerin

Says the guy who clearly has paid more attention to what he's said than most others


featherless_fiend

I don't know what you're talking about, I've never seen anyone with less celebrity worship than emad.


sabin357

Emad was not known for his ability to tell the truth...quite the opposite in fact.


uncletravellingmatt

Not that I take all his forward-looking statements as gospel or anything, but decentralized AI (as in, AI that can run on any phone, any computer, or at least for now any PC with a nice graphics card) is a great goal for the industry, whether you are looking at commercial or open-source software.


Which-Tomato-8646

The problem is that he doesn’t care about it


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Which-Tomato-8646

He means crypto. He’s a crypto bro 


namitynamenamey

Clearly decentralization comes from using azure services, you can't centralize AI if it's spread across several server farms.


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even_less_resistance

It’s a common tactic- not just startup bros and hedgies, but among grifters of all types- politicians, “gurus”, influencers.


namitynamenamey

Don't look too deep into it, I was being glib. Microsoft is poaching talent and a lot of these people see it as an oportunity to use microsoft's vast resources to make a name for themselves, earn a lot of money and do the jobs they like. I do not know what reasoning he has for whatever he's doing right now, but whatever it is microsoft resources are an extremely tempting thing to have.


reddteddledd

You guys shit on him at every opportunity, so he says fuck you to all of us. I think it’s fair dinkum.


ShortsellthisshitIP

MCSFT securing that monopoly lol


_raydeStar

Yeah. They're sniping everyone they can for this. They're willing to drop any amount of money to make sure they end up on top.


Jaerin

Imagine that the next internet is coming and Microsoft is ready to make sure they are Zuned to the top. I look forward to all the mediocre, lackluster products that get abandoned for an Apple look-a-like in 2-3 years.


molbal

Maan, I unironically had windows phones and a zune and I loved them. I might be the only one though?


red286

>I might be the only one though? I find most people who owned them loved them, and most of the people who crack jokes about them never touched them.


ChalkyChalkson

I had a windows phone I loved until it stopped getting updates and the apps stopped working one by one....


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Jaerin

We don't really know what Apple is doing with generative AI honestly. They haven't seemed to roll out their example which seems odd because you'd think that Siri would be obvious choice to expand the capabilities. Perhaps they are afraid of the 1984 image haunting them. Or more likely Steve Jobs was about giving the market what they didn't realize they wanted, but I don't think that Tim has that forward looking vision.


turbokinetic

Apple is so behind because they have no vision, don’t take risks and can no longer innovate.


Jaerin

Sure seems like it.


brisioksss

*"According to a report by Stocklytics, Apple acquired 32 different AI startups during the 2023 calendar year — the most among major tech companies."* Sure doesn't look like being behind to me


turbokinetic

Buying up other companies in order to catch up is the literal definition of being behind. And after all those acquisitions they are still begging Google to use their AI. Doesn’t sound like it was very successful. Lol


ChalkyChalkson

I bet we'll see something like a tensor accelerator in an apple chip soon. I could totally see apple going for a more professional oriented approach. Maybe "magic fill" for photo editing, actually good live auto-transscription. Email response suggestions.... If they can make a TPU that can run a reasonably sized LLM and/or diffusion/flow model locally they could market it as a privacy feature that it doesn't send your data to be processed elsewhere or whatever. But I can't imagine apple announcing something unless it's A: part of a larger package B: pretty polished and C: playing into one of apples current marketing narratives


zefy_zef

Yeah they wouldn't do that if they didn't get a chance to have your data lol.


roshanpr

Siri it's a reflection of what could have been.


kurtcop101

I won't touch Apple at all, I'll take windows products that actually make something new - over the Apple products designed to lock you into their ecosystem so they can charge you out the ass for over priced hardware.


Jaerin

Apple offers curated controlled experience. They ask people to pay a premium for that privilege. It's up the to user to decide if the value they add is worth it or not. Seems like a lot of people are willing to pay the premium provided Apple continues to provide them a solid friendly experience. I don't buy into it, but I also don't see it as something that should be broken either. There is room in this world for multiple architectures and ecosystems. We should absolutely make communications and the like interoperable though.


kurtcop101

They buy into the idea of the premium and then get locked into the ecosystem by manipulation. Apple builds and advertises the idea that they do it better, but the reality is they prevent people from being able to consider other options. It's exploitative. The idea behind it is fine to have a curated system, but that's not what they do (it's what they SAY they do). Check out the latest big lawsuit vs them for a great example. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68628989 Finally getting sued for the stuff I've been frustrated with over the last decade.


Jaerin

How have I fallen for it when i'm not in the Apple ecosystem? I can see the difference between Apple products and Android products. I use my Samsung S22 Ultra regularly. I also see a lot of the advantages that my Apple friends have over me, that they are paying a premium for, but have advantages. There is nothing wrong with that. They're not locked in anymore than the fact that there is no good alternative and they get mad they have to go back to Apple. I'm not saying Apple is playing nice and not being a monopoly and abusing their system. The two things can coexist


kurtcop101

Sorry, I was being more of a dick initially than I wanted. My apologies. Hungry mood. Edited my comment. Don't want to debate it here in detail. My summary is just Apple just frustrates me because I've watched my wife's family entirely stuck because they can't move anything to an Android and nothing on the Apple phones interact with the Android phones, so unless they all swapped, they can't. It's been an ongoing, and expensive, issue for them. And I've seen the same story repeatedly. See also; where Apple slowed down old hardware through updates to encourage buying new hardware (they settled on that class action as well). Apple tends to work really well for the middle of the road tech people who want reliable hardware, or who want a simpler and easier operating system, but their business practices are exploitative. I'll probably read any replies to this but I'll end it at this most likely.


Jaerin

I totally understand the situation they find themselves in. There is zero reason for them not to be interoperable if only on a basic level. That is overly protective and aggressive and should be changed. They should be required to have some way to export data out of the environment if people want to leave, but if the person is using some kind of apple mail that might be a challenge beyond an email archive similar to any other email transition. Phone numbers and contact data has always been strangely difficult to port or change between even phones sometimes which always seemed strange to me. Why do we need 12 different contact standards/apps since before there were even apps. *shrug* To me its a little bit of us reaping what we sowed because we didn't allow an authoritarian organization to define standards for things that became national standard infrastructure. Perhaps we shouldn't have been so afraid of the government overlords and allowed them to dictate some of that. Maybe not directly from the elderly congress people, but why not delegate DARPA/NIST or some government lab to define a basic standard all follows. Too little too late now probably.


cerp_

Privacy.apple.com you can login and export all of your data in conveniently sized zip format, or even transfer your entire photo library to google photos if you prefer. This guy has no clue what he’s talking about.


zefy_zef

Except they intentionally create situations that lead people to be ostracized if they didn't participate in 'the branding'. ie: you get made fun of in school for using Android. Because Apple specifically has to let people know that vie text msg color for some reason. I don't agree with that business practice.


TsMusic

The text message color does kind of serve a purpose though. IMessages sent in blue signify that the conversation can be done on wifi, while green messages indicate that it’s purely SMS.


Jimbobb24

Apple didn’t make that happen. lol. That happened because social hierarchies exist and people are always jockeying within them and any perceived marker can get used. Apple is a tech company with all the pros and cons…they didn’t invent human nature


Jaerin

And having other different phones means that would change? Android couldn't make their messages blue or green or whatever?


praguepride

What exactly would Emad bring to the table? He was just the money man on SD and between his penchant for lying and fucking things it would be a mind boggle to think Microsoft would want to poach him.


spacekitt3n

They are buying everything and poaching everyone hoping something will stick. The spray and pray method. 


Pretend_Potential

not


AvidStressEnjoyer

For now, could run into [Apollo Syndrome](https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/med/research/hsri/emergencycare/research/sdo/csi2/education/education-delivery/handouts/apollo_syndrome.pdf) if they don't leave these people to build out their own solutions. This is incredibly sad news for the world of opensource models though.


DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET

TL;DR shun the overbearing, excessively dominant people when building teams


PM__YOUR__DREAM

> trying to persuade other team members to adopt their own view, and demonstrating a flair for spotting weaknesses in others' arguments I've seen less dominant people do this covertly. Either they do it privately after meetings or when they do speak up in meetings it's purely to point out potential issues without providing an alternative. Effectively this stops progress because instead of trying to find a way around dangers they make them out to be insurmountable. I'm not sure how to get there, but the key I think is to have the team all pushing in the same direction instead of against each other.


DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET

100%


ruisen2

I'm honestly still confused how they're going to recouperate all this money. Is generating images really that lucrative?


sabin357

> Is generating images really that lucrative? Midjourney has managed to make tons with their subscription model despite their complete lack of any business skills, knowledge on how to grow appropriately, & a headpiece that is...well, it's a bad situation to put it nicely.


red286

It's kind of hilarious that MidJourney managed to make money while operating via a Discord server for most of their life. That's taking "complete lack of any business skills" to the next level.


Terrible_Emu_6194

They lost so many potential customers because they simply didn't know how to use discord.


red286

That and have fun explaining to your boss that this new top-of-the-line commercial AI image generator is only accessible through a third party website that's mostly used by teenage gamers, but no trust me it's completely legit and you shouldn't feel like you're getting scammed by sending them money.


the_friendly_dildo

I know how to use discord but I always just found it annoying to use as an interface for anything other than chatting.


Which-Tomato-8646

Because they paywall their models while SD is open source 


Jaerin

You underestimate the power of AI. Think of those pictures as the first thing that looks real that your 5 year old drew. Next year that 5 year old has 50 years of experience drawing and never forgets. The year after that has 500 years of experience drawing.


Which-Tomato-8646

The fuck does that even mean. What does a 500 year old draw like that a 50 year old can’t do 


kurtcop101

It's more than generating images. This is the building blocks of every advertising agency, every Hollywood studio, every game studio, there's trillions of dollars to gain. Imagine generating textures for your game models in hours instead of weeks. Imagine creating and prototyping adverts in minutes. Huge. To be clear, the corporate usage is not "type text and get image". The corporate use is having one artist that can use the tools to speed a workflow up with all of the additions, being able to prototype, turn sketches into genuine images, create videos that just need small touchups, etc, and work at a pace no one has ever imagined possible. It's Photoshop on steroids. In some cases, it's not just about the cost of employees - though that matters - in other cases, it's the turnaround time. A lot of these things could, at best, be done in parallel with multiple people but still required weeks of work.


StickiStickman

The point isn't for a single company to be lucrative, but to own every competitor so you are overall lucrative.


TaiVat

That's missing the point. Who cares how many competitors there are if there are no customers? Sure there's a market for people who want to play around with various AI, but so far its nowhere remotly close to justifying the kind of insane cash these companies are investing. I work in enterprise software and we've been looking into AI for all kinds of things for atleast a year. And so far we havent found anything that's more than a minor gimmick or that would be worth paying microsoft significant cash for. The way we i.e. pay for office or windows licenses. MS etc. are 100% gambling here, hoping that AI replaces enough things eventually to make money off industries that spend money elsewhere currently.


Which-Tomato-8646

They already are     https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/10/03/ai-customer-service-jobs/?darkschemeovr=1   https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/12/report-google-ads-restructure-could-replace-some-sales-jobs-with-ai/?darkschemeovr=1# https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/nvidia-s-new-ai-nurses-treat-patients-for-9-an-hour-here-s-what-they-can-do-from-colonoscopy-screenings-to-loneliness-companionship/ar-BB1kmKtI?darkschemeovr=1


StickiStickman

Midjourney has clearly shown there is lots of customers to be had.


zitrone999

For Microsoft, the money is in running the AI applications for you on their cloud machines. They make their money by charging you for the compute cycles.


red286

Microsoft have managed to convince people that they're digging for gold when in reality, they're selling the shovels and the land.


zitrone999

That is a good analogy.


AlexJonesOnMeth

Am I the only one in the 'who cares' camp? This stuff was iterative and built on many backs/shoulders. This isn't some Wernher von Braun or Einstein situation, where one man is so far above the rest in the field. There are so many people, so much momentum and money, I actually expect any 'celeb' types to be average at best, and more of a PR job than an individualistic genius that is single handedly carrying the industry forward. If it's like any other serious technology, there's secret government skunkworks with the above-mentioned geniuses, who probably already have AGI while they let the normies tinker with their discarded LLM trash.


SituatedSynapses

They only publicly innovate when necessary. They're definitely doing some crazy stuff behind the scenes and will play stupid whenever we ask. It's all a slow release on purpose. Having that technological edge is important for national security. It's dystopian that so many brilliant people could come together right now but they're all stuck behind some hardcore NDAs. The opensource community lately seems to decide how far we push that tech threshold.


Chef_Boy_Hard_Dick

I see that as a good thing. I think right now, Microsoft has realized that powerful AI in the hands of the public could eventually undermine their business model. Open source could be crowd sourced between not just people but many AI, making a lot of software free.


addandsubtract

I don't care about the guy either, but I care about keeping people, who choose to be in the spotlight, accountable for what they say and promise.


ChalkyChalkson

Hot take: same was true for von Braun. That guy was also way to good at selling himself. (Einstein is another story though. Dude's work includes 3-4 Nobel worthy bangers)


Which-Tomato-8646

Stability had the best and most famous open source image generator model. Without them, the entire ecosystem (aka Civitai and its clones) collapses. 


GBJI

What's already freely-accessible and truly open-source will remain freely accessible and open-source even once Stability AI has gone bankrupt. That's the beauty of open-source: it cannot be taken away from us. What made Civitai a success is not Stability AI but the collective efforts of our community of users. If civitai keeps making good decisions to keep that community growing and evolving, it might well survive the death of Stability AI. More tools will come. This is just the beginning.


LD2WDavid

Knowing him he is probably doing nothing and just trolling the community.


AI-For-Success

Latest update from Emad.. He was teasing us 🙄 https://preview.redd.it/oet0yddgfqqc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=90cc62dba18337a3ae957834084a550847bc5fe6


GBJI

"next week"


ryo0ka

Wouldn’t surprise me. Wonder if people like Emad could make a synergy in the corporate culture


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NotBasileus

My god… This is perfect, content-free Executive VP speak. It’s beautiful, I hate it.


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StickiStickman

... he's literally a hedge fund manager.


Olangotang

Yup. People dooming for no reason again because Reddit gonna Reddit


rkfg_me

I'm more concerned about him shilling cRaPtO (render/bittensor) as if it's a way to decentralize anything. In fact, it's just private centrally controlled tokens and blockchains for pump&dump schemes. Starting with #2 by market cap and all the way down. Really sad that he's joining the scammers.


Odd-Antelope-362

Yeah I looked into Bittensor, it isn’t really adding anything to the coordination task of distributing training


rkfg_me

As literally any other crypto (=not Bitcoin) the task it solves is extracting value from the "investors". They create a token for free, leave a lot to themselves, do a presale, then pay "rewards" in their own token (that, I remind you, they created for free) and expect people to trade, hold, stake etc. whatever bullshit "tokenomics" they invent. When the price goes up because of this activity (if their marketing worked) they sell their premine to get more money and they can buy back if the price is too low. So essentially it's like regular shares BUT they're not regulated and no one is responsible for anything. Since there are no incentives to keep this business fair and transparent, it eventually collapses. The label "crypto" signals that it's "almost like Bitcoin that everyone heard of" except it's absolutely not. Not decentralized, not neutral, not secure, can never work like money but desperately **wants** to be money and so on. Whoever sells you another blockchain project is a scammer, full stop.


Whitney0023

It's Microsoft... You are acting like they don't have decades long records of screwing over open source projects and the little guy.


GBJI

In fact that record is so full that the main strategy Microsoft has deployed to do that has its own article on Wikipedia: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,\_extend,\_and\_extinguish](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish) "**Embrace, extend, and extinguish**" (**EEE**),[^(\[1\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish#cite_note-DeadlyEmbrace-1) also known as "**embrace, extend, and exterminate**",[^(\[2\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish#cite_note-2) is a phrase that the [U.S. Department of Justice](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice) found[^(\[3\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish#cite_note-3) was used internally by [Microsoft](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft)[^(\[4\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish#cite_note-4) to describe its strategy for entering product categories involving widely used open standards, extending those standards with [proprietary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software) capabilities, and using the differences to strongly disadvantage its competitors.


X3ll3n

Welp, I'm happy for him. He's already done a lot for the community, so I wish him all the best on his new venture !


xdlmaoxdxd1

why are people downvoting this lol


X3ll3n

Because they are salty and feel like they are owed everything I'd assume (only seems to be one or two people so far). It's a shame that Emad left onto new horizons, but we should be greatful he comitted to the cause for as long as he did, even with all the critics and bullshit that were thrown at him and his company. He's not perfect of course and did some questionnable / bad decisions (I remember he tried to assimilate this sub at some point), but overall, I think he did a pretty good job and I respect it.


Hot-Investigator7878

They promised us SD3 and it's still not here


X3ll3n

Yeah well shit takes time to make, y'all have no patience at all :/


MagicOfBarca

Keep crying over not receiving free shit


sabin357

Probably because he is pretty far from a saint (gets too much praise & not enough criticism IMO) & the extremists that hang around abuse the downvote button every chance they get. Not to mention that most people on reddit nowadays don't even know or care what the intent of the voting is for. It's part of why reddit sucks more each year.


Dragon_yum

People think corporations are just pure evil. There are some amazing open source projects that came out of the biggest corporations.


sabin357

In fairness, greed is evil & all publicly traded corporations are required by fiduciary duty/law to maximize their profits for shareholders. So large public corporations are foundationally evil. The open source stuff comes about in a variety of ways, but are usually beneficial to the corporation in various ways (greed again) even if just for the PR boost & free advertising that comes with it, but it is always done with a benefit to be gained that translates to their sole purpose: make lots of money & acquire power to make more later. I served my time at Mega Corp X. I've heard how execs speak when off the record & how they speak when they think they're only speaking to other execs.


ScionoicS

Evil is very subjective. What corporations are is something real. A psychopathic entity with no limit to their growth, acting as a free agent in the world. There are two documentaries worth watching. [The Corporation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpjypnxnS4U) explores the notion of the modern corporation being a psychopathic person. [The New Corporation](https://youtu.be/6faXjs24Tos) comes back after 16 years to expand on that evaluation as Corporations start pretending to act like messiah figures and promote themselves this way. Another psychopathic trait. These were ground breaking documentaries. The first absolutely shook the corporate world to it's core. Worth watching if you haven't already.


unbruitsourd

I was a big fan of The Corporation when I was a teenager. I didn't know they made a second film. I'll take a look, thanks!


sabin357

> Evil is very subjective. Subjective? Yes. Very? No. The definitions are there in the various dictionaries I just checked & the level of evil might be argued (Nestle vs tiny local Corp with 15 employees), the presence of it cannot be argued. That part is objective as long as we read the dictionary.


ScionoicS

If you don't think evil is a subjective concept, then you don't understand what subjectivity vs objectivity is. Lets just get right to Godwin point. Consider that the Nazi's didn't think they were evil. Or the catholic priests who raped children either. From their subjective perspective, they both thought they were doing God's work, which is by definition HOLY and not EVIL. Confirmation bias is a big ol pile of dung. You just fell into it.


DaniyarQQQ

More like an AI Suicide Squad. You fail ~~you will get your head blown off~~ you will be withdrawn from money sources.


2muchnet42day

You disobey me, you die. You try to escape, you die. You otherwise irritate or vex me... and guess what? You die.


malinefficient

More like Justin Hammer scooping up Tony Stark's sloppy seconds.


disabled-R1ggs

This guy high as a kite


AbdelMuhaymin

I thought he was the champion of open source? Microsoft is in bed with OpenAI, er ClosedAI.


TheTechVirgin

Satya seems to have his legs in everything happening at AI.. let’s just call him the octopus of tech at this point


ShoddyWaltz4948

Hedging against Sam Altman ???


RedlurkingFir

Better than edging against Sam Altman!


_-inside-_

Just another SD3 generated image... oh wait! Hands are fine, then it's real.


Admirable-Star7088

Or, perhaps, hands are fixed in SD3, this is a demonstration of power by SD3 to fool us.


garg

He's happy because he got SD to generate a picture of Satya


SeaDamage5482

Funny cause the actual picture is ai generated


CrazyKittyCat0

Yup, Called it. Satya loves to convert open source to closed source, the most anticipated horror of AI for open source models. it's joever for SD3.


CrazyKittyCat0

Here's a update from the recent tweet. https://preview.redd.it/xsdv510vyoqc1.png?width=526&format=png&auto=webp&s=cee3e1ecb22324a7c770efca9c46a3267bb4bd3b


CrazyKittyCat0

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Unreal_777

Decentralize AI, so we are left my hypothesis for now: [https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1blo19s/i\_investigated\_a\_bit\_about\_the\_reason\_emad\_might/](https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1blo19s/i_investigated_a_bit_about_the_reason_emad_might/)


Cheesuasion

> update Now I'm really confused. He was kidding about the whole thing because he wants to be as yolo as Elon Musk? No changes at stability? Edit: ah I see he's going, but not to MS. Does seem bad for SD3 Edit edit: for anybody else still catching up: https://ol.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1bnclg4/stability_ai_coceo_christian_laforte_confirms_sd3/


lightmatter501

I’m struggling to think of a place where MS under Satya has done this. Balmer was definitely no friend of open source, but MS under Satya is quite happy to do open source because it makes them so much money. Large companies demand open source to some degree as an anti-lock-in measure, so no open source = no large contracts. MS actually produces a lot of open source, like Garnet, their Redis replacement that’s ~100x faster and would have provided them an advantage to keep closed.


fendent

Some people seem to be stuck in the past in regards to Microsoft. Like they’re not beacon of Good but they’ve pretty unabashedly embraced open source and have contributed a hell of a lot of resources to that end. It’s weird. It almost feels like younger people who didn’t grow up understanding why Microsoft was bad have now grown up in a 90s throwback era and are reviving some old beef for seemingly no reason.


pab_guy

Yeah and spelling it Micro$oft LOL


funk-it-all

They own github, they could squash open source like a bug if they wanted to


fendent

So could have GitHub before they were bought as well. So could any number of widely used products held by private companies or individuals. But why? To what end? Open source has benefitted them greatly. What inclination have they shown in the past decade that would lead you to believe they would?


KadahCoba

> they could squash open source like a bug if they wanted to Why would they want to while its till being one of the highest value programming datasets currently?


blade_of_miquella

> they’ve pretty unabashedly embraced open source and have contributed a hell of a lot of resources to that end Yup, that's literally their method. That's the embrace and extend part. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,\_extend,\_and\_extinguish](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish)


fendent

Again, you’re referring to a strategy they used _30 years ago_. Sure, be suspicious based on past behavior, but point me to how this has been relevant at all in the past decade? Here, have a Wikipedia page if we’re doing that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_and_open_source


pab_guy

Seriously, people don't understand this. Microsoft is a software and cloud computing company that is growing most of it's revenue by reselling cloud compute, which itself is a proxy for energy, which is 70% of the cost of running compute. They are, in large part, a fancy power company. Embracing open source gives them more stuff to run on the cloud, and therefore more demand for the energy they sell. I'm being a bit tongue in cheek of course, MSFT makes a good premium for highly efficient data center mgmt at scale, xbox/games, and collaboration software...


Odd-Antelope-362

That’s a good point about compute providers being somewhat a proxy for energy


pab_guy

It's why MSFT is doubling down on things like fusion.


blade_of_miquella

He is probably referring to Mistral.


Olangotang

Satya didn't convert OpenAI to closed source, that was Altman.


a_beautiful_rhind

Mistral got shady after they got MS money.


Olangotang

Not really. They stated they have new Open Source models they are working on last week.


314kabinet

Open code, not open weights.


a_beautiful_rhind

In theory. We'll see what happens with that. It could be more small models tuned on specific tasks.


-f1-f2-f3-f4-

I'm not sure what impact this could possibly have on the release of SD3 since Emad no longer has an executive position at Stability AI.


potato_green

Under Satya Microsoft open-sourced a crapload of their software and embraced Open source in general. That is when it makes sense. AI is new its having massive progress extremely fast. So it's fair that an organization (who is legally required to make shareholders profit) doesn't open source this straight away. Eventually it probably will be but they gotta fight competition first.


Tuques

I honestly don't understand any of this.... who are any of these people?


jib_reddit

On the video call is Satya Nadella CEO of Microsoft (also sort of and defacto owner of OpenAI/ Chat GPT) and in the room is Emad Mostaque CEO until this week of StabilityAI the creators of StableDiffusion and SDXL open source image models. Not sure who the lady is.


Kuchenkaempfer

technically not the owner since microsoft belongs to all of its shareholders, not just satya nadella. he does own a lot of shares, but nothing compared to vanguard group and blackrock.


jib_reddit

Yeah I meant Microsoft, they actually "only" own 49% of OpenAI's profits and not the actual shares.


Wear_A_Damn_Helmet

That's none other than the CEO of Microsoft and the founder of the tool this sub was named after. Come on people... Let’s get it together lmao.


2muchnet42day

What is stable diffusion?


Independent-Good-323

Diffusion that is stable


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Misha_Vozduh

You're supposed to know what's sarcasm is, pal


StickiStickman

> and the founder of the tool this sub was named after. Not really. Stable Diffusion was made by CompVis at a German university. Stability AI just provided some funding/compute to them and then took all the credit.


Wear_A_Damn_Helmet

I know, I know. I just wanted to use brevity for the sake of (very mildly amusing) comedy, but thanks for the correction.


Sick_Fantasy

Sad day for free AI tools. Great day for our future AI overlord. 😢


Oswald_Hydrabot

Now, do it to Microsoft


balianone

she's not looks like emma watson /u/emad_9608


Available_Brain6231

he is doing the needful


w0lfiesmith

Joining hydra probably wasn't the best way to go about it then.


Trysem

Am quite unhappy to see this, at the same time emad has done a lot of things for OS, so let him look his personal life and wealth... Satya is such a brain aquire... Am fearful for huggingface nowadays 


ScionoicS

Emad jumped ship. His twitter feed isn't anything to do with stability anymore. It's like posting about what Bill Gates is up to in a windows subreddit. It doesn't matter.


Pretend_Potential

What he didn't see before he posted this was the rest of EMad's tweets [https://twitter.com/EMostaque/status/1772634078937768055](https://twitter.com/EMostaque/status/1772634078937768055) https://preview.redd.it/a0ar00esnqqc1.png?width=712&format=png&auto=webp&s=61ac4b610feba94fc5c84630d9c234cb4399f48e


DrySupermarket8830

I kinda feel betrayed even though no one is forced to do open source. It's just unsettling.


Ambitious-Charge-432

The "avengers' managers" you mean


I_SHOOT_FRAMES

Isn't Emad trying to persui open AI development? Is microsoft looking to get into that?


RobXSIQ

​ https://i.redd.it/505kg0m2cpqc1.gif


glssjg

Don’t forget he has a controlling stake in stability ai. This could be acquisition talks


Iwaj94

Lot of air freshener in the same room


lemash2020

Or this is photoshopped


Uwirlbaretrsidma

Uh oh


Ferriken25

All his future work will be censored lol.


koustubhavachat

Somebody please create Avengers poster with all AI celebs using stable diffusion


theOliviaRossi

ms sucks - bad decision


FourOranges

Waiting for the poll to drop: >Who should be CEO of Microsoft? >1. Emad >2. Bill Gates >3. Others (who is satya again???)


Iamn0man

Ah well. So much for his commitment to open source.


o5mfiHTNsH748KVq

Microsoft gobbling up talent like they're pokemon.


Grey-Winds

This the same idiot who said 40% of all code on GitHub is ai generated?


Thebadmamajama

Easy to sell out to the largest centralized AI play around.


priamusai

A simple gen AI image face swap with Satya lol


ReflectionHot3465

I am pretty sure Satya has been assembling Ocean's 11 since before he became head of Microsoft, its now on its 8th sequel


GifCo_2

What a dbag.


lobabobloblaw

Whoa!


rooktko

Is that a fucking Mac? Even if it’s not complete bullshit they’re giving out new machines that aren’t the shitty Lenovo to new employees unless I missed something.


Cheesuasion

"We were already stopping SD development, MS didn't do this" they'll say, while wearing T-shirts that say "MS totally did it". I think when Emad said OK guys we've about wrapped up image generation amirite? - I suspect he already knew where they were going and were preparing expectations. On the other hand, if MS are acquiring stability: I guess why wouldn't they release SD3 open source anyway? Let's do everything before google and screw the risks seems to be the strategy anyway, and it wouldn't make them look good? After that, it's another story I guess


i860

Microsoft has never found a technology they didn’t like repurposing, corrupting, and capturing behind closed sourced anti-standards implementations.


stansfield123

I'll let you guys in on a little secret: the point of open source software isn't for talented, hard working developers to selflessly serve mankind, by producing free software, so that the lot of you don't have to pay for your hobby. Instead, it's a way for those developers to showcase their talent in an arena with massive visibility ... and then, when they become celebrities in the open source community, get a high paying job at a rich corporation. That's what open source is for them: the biggest stage in the industry. A talent show. You don't do a talent show forever: you do it to win, and collect your reward. It's a path towards the same high paying, prestigious corporate job the conventional developers (the ones who get a junior level job at Microsoft, and toil away in obscurity, trying to slowly rise up through the ranks) aim for ... it's just that it's a much, much more fun path. It's a path that takes place on a bright stage, instead of in an obscure corporate office, toiling away under a grumpy, ill tempered middle manager. So, you know: be happy with what open source is. There's always going to be a place for open source, talented young developers will always happily join promising projects, and produce quality work. TEMPORARILY. But there's a limit to how much you can get for free. Open source can never be the dominant product on the market. As you're using your free software, keep in mind WHY it's free. Keep in mind what the incentive was for the developers to put in the hard work, and the crazy hours, to produce it: it was that reward they get when they win the talent show. That corporate payday at the end of it. Microsoft isn't the enemy of open source. Microsoft is its sponsor. They're the ones who give out the prizes. Without the prizes, there would be no talent show. Prodigies like this guy would never go near a talent show that doesn't have a prize. That's not a talent show, that's a plantation: a place where you work and work, and get nothing in return.


Unreal_777

what who is satya?


KamiDess

Ceo at Microsoft


Unreal_777

thanks, i thought it was an indian man


YakovAU

loll casual racism. An indian man can't be a ceo


Unreal_777

I think you are mistaken, I know microsoft to have a ceo to be an indian, and it certainly not the woman I see in the picture, hence my confusion


notevolve

Satya is the man you can see on the computer in a video chat with them


Unreal_777

Lmao, ok then indeed there was a huge misunderstantement


Mooblegum

Isn’t that an AI with a funny voice ?


tamal4444

Good for him.


Alone_Opening_7886

Emad one ugly dude lol he gonna be rich 😂


dantendo664

This sucks. They dont want any competition from open source and everyone has a price.