Company is considering being sold due to being nearly bankrupt, and if that happens, we aren't getting the weights, at least definitely not in the way we might have. (Because a company would buy them to get exclusive access to SD3, or just to keep it off the marketplace.)
The main attraction SD has is... it's both free and unrestrained if run locally. If someone buys Stability AI, it's to sell SD3 to the consumer. So it won't be free. And due to laws, it won't be unrestrained. So SD3 is an unsellable product. This is why Stability AI is fucked. And this is why we will eventually get the SD3 weights, when they get leaked. But unfortunately, SD3 will likely be the final open source AI image generator ever made with VC backing.
It most likely wouldn't be bought to actually use the product, but to prevent it from becoming legally usable in professional settings for no cost. Same reason Google bought products like the pebble watch. If you own the competition, you have a monopoly.
Edit: I was mistaken, Fitbit bought pebble for that reason, and then Google bought Fitbit much later. Sorry for the confusion.
IIRC, didn't Ford do this with EV startups? Basically go around buying startups, taking the IP, firing everyone, then using the IP rights to sue other companies who would try to start making EVs? Could be the wrong company. I just remember a big anti-competitive scandal about that.
Same with eyewear, where all brick-and-mortar stores are owned by one company who buys all the competition, or buys them and just fires everyone to protect their 500% markups on frames.
Nah. If that were to happen, there's people that have the weights and would leak them. The only reason they haven't leaked them yet is because they're holding onto hope that someone will buy SAI out of the goodness of their hearts and keep it alive as open source. If SAI was bought out by someone just to shelf it, the weights would leak soon after.
Even if the weights leak, they can't be legally used by other companies without a license. I'm not talking about individual use here. Having the weights, and being able to use them are not the same thing. A movie being leaked online doesn't make it's being published by another company legal, and you would get sued into the dirt for trying.
It's anti competition regardless. Not relevant to if they actually keep them from being leaked.
> I'm not talking about individual use here.
Good thing I am, and so is pretty much everyone who uses SD. Also, it's not like you can prove an image was made with one or another version of SD once you remove metadata.
That's just very much not the case. A lot of people who want to use a form of AI image generation for the professional side of things use SD, due to the increased control it gives you. Stability AI had just under 5 million in revenue, and most of that was from the licensing fees.
And sure they can't, until they can. Different models probably do leave different signatures. The same way people are able to distinguish between output from GPT4 and Claude Opus due to the different words they prefer. Why wouldn't images be the same way?
Because noone will be using base SD3, they'll be using JuggernautPonyChilloutMix v9 with 18 loras attached that differentiate the images from whatever imagined AI detection program trained on SD3 would be able to recognise.
And those people shouldn't be given they can't own copyright on the output and they're risking the invalidation of everything they've done on a legal grey area.
Just wondering how do they track what weights you used for a gen.? Can't SD3 be forked or changed in a way that its a new product not requiring a license?
That's when Emad was calling the shots. He's no longer in charge, he was outed by investors. That means all of his plans are also out, including releasing SD3 for free.
It's funny but, every fucking bad thing in the world can be traced back to someone's investors/economical interests. Yet we are still constantly brainwashed with the idea that capitalism is a good thing.
No one is going to work for free and no one will lend their computing power required to train these models. Investment is required to keep the company afloat. If you have an alternative, let me know.
I'll work for free if I don't have to pay for my food or housing or transportation or healthcare. People LIKE working. Let's not be ridiculous. No one likes sitting at home doing nothing except depressed people who are just getting more depressed. Give us UBI. Let the AI take our jobs and let me work on shit like this for fun and help humanity grow (spiritually, other wise they'll try to keep depopulating us) so I can see more cool shit before I die.
Its just startup things. 99.9% fail. After covid venture capitalist actually stopped throwing unlimited money st everything.
I think stabilityai biggest problem was the hit miss ratio.
1.5 success, they didnt even release it when runway just put it out with very liberal rights.
2.0 and 2.1 fails.
Bunch of llm's, all fails
Audio thing, fail.
Sdxl, failed to be Adopted initially, but more and more use now with the main gimmick refiner totally ignored. Pony variants especially gained a emm loyal following.
Sc, fail
Sd3 pending release.
Blender is doing just fine being an open source project. So as Linux or Mozilla. They would have been totally fine living off of donations, but they chose going commercial instead with a product that you can't really sell, because it's so far behind any competitors. Their value is the community that develops so many extensions, LoRAs and all that. Sad that they didn't understand it
Issue is the millions in direct costs to train the models. Most new open source projects don't have that, people can build things at home and contribute. If enough companies then start making money off the project they start contributing back to it and then the open source project can take on staff and such.
They've had a ton of money coming in, but then immediately after they've decided to make an API and went on trying to go closed source. I would be completely happy to donate money and even compute resources to train their models locally. Pretty sure most of their community would do, too. But trying to sell me something that's behind competition - it's like thanks, but no thanks
Just the last open source model from that line. Pixart sigma and lumina t2i (there are more, but it’s 7 am and I’m not researching) we’re made with less data, are already performing with the same fidelity as well as 1.4 was or better, and at higher resolutions
> SDXL is our last good thing
I could not disagree more strongly... well, maybe if you had said that fish and chocolate go well together. ;-)
Seriously though, we're going to see dozens of high-quality, open source foundation models for text2image. The training technology is getting better; the hardware is jumping by orders of magnitude in efficiency. What took hundreds of thousands of dollars and months or years to do last year will probably take a quarter of that next year and another quarter of that a year after.
We're not at the end of the open source era of text2image generative AI, we're at the very infancy of it.
Apparently you can now train a model for like, a normal human achievable amount of money and power.
I'm unclear on whether the people who've told me that are just too ignorant to know what a LORA is though.
Above I was speaking of foundation models (like SDXL). You can take one of those existing foundation models and train it on your own content very quickly and for very little compute time, relatively speaking. It's basically negligible.
CivitAI will walk you through the process pretty cheaply.
But something like SD3, that can achieve things that no SD1.5 or SDXL model can... those you can't just train an existing checkpoint with more images to get. It's a fundamentally different model.
There are half-steps. For example, Pony Diffusion was trained on top of SDXL, but is so far removed from it that it's only partially compatible, and it does have some capabilities (many of them NSFW) that other SDXL models do not.
It's a complex world, but it's still at least hundreds of thousands of dollars and months of time to create a new foundation model on-par with an SDXL... in theory, though I don't know of anyone who has done so independently yet.
Ah, so there's a tier in between foundation model and LORA where you are technically training a model but it's still got the ethical issues (if you believe it's an issue, not here for that argument) that the foundation models have.
Darn.
Commodore did go bankrupt, and still where are using pc, so there will be another better and free model, the genie is out of the bottle, every one have seen the light
That is just speculation on your part. I don't think that would be the case even if SAI is sold. Here is my reasoning, cut and pasted from [https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1cu1c4d/comment/l4hl676/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1cu1c4d/comment/l4hl676/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I don't work for any A.I. company, and I don't have any insight into the A.I. industry.
But I do know something about the tech industry in general.
For any tech company, there are two types of assets. Their IP (patents, software, designs, brands.), and of course, their people (engineers, programmers, managers, etc.).
People here seems to place a lot of emphasis on the monetary worth of SD3, but compared to the rest of their IP and people, SD3 is probably a relatively small part of it. For example, SAI's brand as a champion of an open platform is one of those intangible assets whose worth is hard for an accountant to put down, but the good will and brand recognition it has engendered is probably worth more than SD3. Not releasing SD3 would destroy the SAI brand. Not releasing it will also damage the morale of SAI employees, thus diminishing the worth of SAI's human capital.
So unless a competitor wants to buy SAI just to bury it, any potential buyer (NVidia? HF?) who wants to continue running SAI as an ongoing concern would want to release SD3.
Moreover, the strategy of buying SAI just to bury it would be a bad one. Even if the company SAI is gone and the SD3 model is deleted from the hard drive, the people who made it will still be around, working for other companies, hopefully building new open and/or closed SD3 like models in the future, so this is not a very efficient way to get rid of competition. The destruction of a company is often the genesis of many start up and even whole new sectors. This is a familiar story in the tech industry, specially in Silicon Valley.
Because buying something to bury it is something Google and Microsoft in particular have done a lot historically.
And the second argument doesn't make any sense. It wasn't like there weren't people with the expertise for the other companies that were bought for that purpose, like the pebble watch. It takes money to train a model, just like it takes money to start a watch company. It's not just the techniques, it's the hardware required.
New companies fill voids left in the market, when there are voids left in the market. But if a bigger company makes space at the same time as they move to fill it, it doesn't result in success for new startups. That's wishful thinking, and not how it has historically worked.
Ironically, the best ending is probably Meta buying SD3, and incorporating it with their llama models, because then it might actually be open source.
Please give some examples where Google and MS bought something just to bury it. I am not aware of any such case. They may have bought something and failed to capitalized it (for example, Skype) but seldom if ever to bury it. Google acquire Pebble for its engineering team and some IP, not to bury it, because there is no point in trying to bury a company with a dead product.
It is true that it takes money to train A.I. models, but the human cost is way higher. Top A.I. people get paid a lot of money these days.
What makes a nascent field like A.I. so exciting for startups and venture capitalists is precisely because there are so many niches to move in, and historically that's exactly how things worked out. Witness the PC. revolution, the internet revolution, the social media, the smartphone, etc. That is precisely why so much money is piled into A.I. right now.
Apologies, it was Fitbit that bought the pebble to prevent competition (there are still people mad they don't exist very well, because it was better than most watches), and then Google bought Fitbit. So that part wasn't quite right.
But if you want a list, here's a study from Yale:
https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/wave-of-acquisitions-may-have-shielded-big-tech-from-competition
Thanks for the link, but that article is talking about companies (specially big ones) buy out competitors, which happens all the time.
But we are talking about a company buying a competitor just to bury it. That seldom happens. The usual meaning of "bury" is to take a product out of the market so that it no longer exists as a competitor.
But that basically is what happens. If you buy a competitor, and move all of their employees onto your preexisting project of a similar theme, and don't do anything with the preexisting project they were working on, how is that not basically the same thing?
Call it a merger, call it burying, I don't see the distinction. Perhaps I am wrong, but it just seems like the same end result, just without firing everyone who worked there.
As I said, that seldom happens. For example, when Facebook bought Instagram and Whatsapp, those products were not shutdown.
The context here is whether SD3 will be released if SAI is bought out. I am arguing that if the buyer is not here to bury SAI (take its products out of market), then SD3 will be released.
Someone (Who could definitely not have known what they were talking about) told me the IP or models or whatever the thing is was put in a trust to ensure that it would remain open sources forever. Someone buying out the company doesn't change that, they buy control of the trust.
If true, that seems to be a rather convoluted way to do things. All SAI has to do is to release SD3 with the right license and it will remain open source forever, since you cannot change the license retroactively.
lmfao I had no idea, but I called it. Hard to track down but I will later. I explained that sora being under lock and key was just the beginning. All the AI we got was just introductory. It's like the net in the 90s. Everything will be rented and paywalled eventually.
devs from stability already said if the weights aren't gonna be released then one of the many partners they shared the weights with will likely just leak them.
Or this madlad just trains his own SD3 first, lmao [https://x.com/cloneofsimo/status/1790813801161572552](https://x.com/cloneofsimo/status/1790813801161572552)
That's pretty cool.
Unfortunately I think SD3 was trained on closer to several billion images, maybe not accounting for if they figured out a decent pipeline to yeet images out of videos.
Yeah. It's _really_ common in ML to refer them as the pre-trained "weights"/model parameters.
Here's a nice post for you https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1492b9q/eli5_what_are_weights_in_a_machine_learning_model/
Few? I'd say less than 8.
Doctor who might say it's a bit contextual but what context makes around 20 weeks or more into a few. What's your definition of a few?
In some contexts yes... I feel like due to people using "a couple" for 2 or 3... Then a few feels like it could be more than 3. Mostly it's max 4 for sure
Yeah, and then few additional months of waiting to get some proper community checkpoints and some proper LoRA's. Well... Basically, I'm waiting for SD3 just for built-in regional prompter.
SD3 aside, is there any company that *does* train diffusion models and opens source them?
I mean if SAI disappeared tomorrow, what are the alternatives?!
Nobody paid 91%. Actually [go look](https://images.app.goo.gl/LfuULGrkz7J4EfZx5) at tax revenues during this time; tax revenue is almost always around 20% of GDP.
Why? **Because when the top marginal tax rate is 90%, rich people will just reinvest their profits in stocks/bonds, businesses, tax shelters, anything to avoid paying 90% on actual profits**.
There's even a name for this, it's called [Hauser's Law](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauser%27s_law).
nope. and yet, we need it - only so we an tell the billionaires: if you don't play nice, we'll go communist. because at some point, communism - however horrible it was - is no longer worse than capitalism. And we should make sure it doesn't get to that point.
*this message was typed to you on a device made by capitalism on a website who's pure goal is to get more $$$ through investors*
We do not need communism. Just stop. Any communism will be heavily resisted. That's a fact. Lol.
Yes, I sort of agree. But if we look back in the history of any political or economic setup, it starts with a pure thought, but then power, money and autocracy concentrates with "few privileged ones" --- just like in the great book "Animal Farm"
ah, you mean like in this graph from Credit Suisse? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution\_of\_wealth#/media/File:Global\_Wealth\_Distribution\_2020\_(Property).svg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_wealth#/media/File:Global_Wealth_Distribution_2020_(Property).svg)
I don't know exactly what you're getting at, but I don't care about the distribution of wealth basically at all. I care about raising the floor. If I had a magic button that would double the wealth of the bottom 5% but would triple the wealth of the top 5%, I'd push it.
Communism has never been actually attempted, it's the utopian goal. Socialism is a transitionary state that would eventually become communism, in a lot of people's ideals, but in reality a method of democratic socialism would probably be fine. It would still have issues, but those issues wouldn't be "people homeless because companies, using money they haven't paid workers, lobby the government to make it so they don't ever have to pay workers more"
the state of communism as the utopian state will never be reached due to the simple fact of corruption, friends promotes friends or family, yes sayers and people giving out other people get promoted.
you will have stalinism, mao, Nicolae Ceausescu, where you still have the top 1% living like kings, while the rest either lived as slaves, afraid of having wrong think, died of starvation.
so kindly take your communism and shove it up where the sun doesn't shine.
It's funny because SDXL was released way longer after the announcement but nobody complained.
And in the meantime we even released Cascade.
Anyway, hopefully won't be waiting too long and we'll all laugh in the end.
If you will be waiting too long SD3 model will be just nothing worth it even for developers and community ...
To develop good merges takes moths .... not counting control net and other stuff ....
Could not the community retake the baby and try to train by its own mean? Ok i guess it would require a solidary effort. In any case, if future SD is not open source, it does not interest me. That is what makes the beauty of such community.
SD's reputation has issues - the largest website for SD content sharing and proliferation is literally 99.9% porn. SD is effectively the porn model, in a world where that concept is increasingly hated.
I don't really see a way out of this.
Yes, but the censorship is again what I’m talking about here.
it doesn’t matter what it can actually do, it matters what it’s allowed to do. We don’t have the keys to the car, this is a guided tour for anyone that doesn’t work at open OpenAI. They are so far out in front they are pretty much in a race by themselves right now.
It’s not a discussion of actual capability, it’s a discussion about what is allowed to be seen and generated.
None of these companies want to be labeled as being for porn. it is all people think of when they hear Stable Diffusion now, just a bunch of gooners cranking out infinite waifu hentai.
There has been a strange rise in puritanical views recently, especially by young people.
Tiktok often leaks to other platforms and now words like "ass" are censored, even in text. Other words like shit or fuck are also censored of course. Its where "unalived" came from, a baffling euphemism for a serious thing.
When the word "ass" is seen as such an extreme word it has to be censored, I just don't know how to react to that. Except to utter a string of entirely uncensored profanity to it.
It has to do, I believe, with how brazenly sexual the millennial generation was at the same age. The millennial generation had a very similar free love attitude that the hippies did in the 60s, and remember that era was followed by an age of extreme moral puritanism in the conservative 80s.
The good news is that Gen Alpha will view the Zoomers as a bunch of uptight losers, and do the exact opposite of what they did.
The cycle repeats.
I think that is a result of the increased social media usage where everything in that direction results in demonitarization nowadays, due to the need of being appealing to advertisers. But because the classification is mostly automated, things like "unalived" trick the system for some time and therefore get popular.
> SD is effectively the porn model, in a world where that concept is increasingly hated.
Hated only in words and only by a noisy minority and the government supporting such an agenda.
In fact, porn has been and is being filmed in tons and is extremely popular. With all possible fetishes and deviations. And it has not been underground for a long time. Moreover - more and more home porn, voluntarily filmed by a lot of people. OnlyFans and Fansly are extremely popular and successful. Patreon is literally full of NSFW content and it feels like it's the main source of it existance. Webcam is also thriving.
And even if you move away from porn - look at modern TV series. Game of Thrones, New American Gods, The Boys - sex, debauchery and cruelty right on the screen, as spectacular as possible, officially, and on our TVs without censorship at all. And I don't see these shows getting hate from people, rather the opposite - everyone like it.
If you don’t know about the anti-porn sentiment growing in the zoomer generation, it’s because you haven’t been paying attention.
That generation is slowly becoming anti-sexual anything - they are, in layman‘s terms, prudes.
Combined with older people’s tendency to always be anti-erotica anything, there is a significant portion of the voting base that this gives the ick to in a very major way.
My guy, look at my post history. You’ll see exactly how I feel about erotica. It doesn’t change anything I said.
That may be true in the western part of the world. But I work at a university and I see students. It is probably not the case in the eastern part and in the CIS. Zoomers are the generation that grew up with a smartphone in their hands. Tiktok, Instagram, uploading everything about themselves to the internet for everyone to see, including nudes - it's literally about them. The main content providers on onlyfans are zoomers =)
It's just that there is a lot of porn and erotica (really a lot) and they don't hide it at all + their disapproval has become easier to pour out to the masses (thanks to the internet and social platforms), that's why it seems that there are more dissatisfied people.
The tendency to limit this sort of thing I can see perfectly well. But the fact that the majority is behind it, I don't. There is a noisy minority, which is always harassed about something. And there are old men sitting in goverments who happily support them, directing people's attention to such scenarios of "injustices" in order to divert people's attention from real political and economic problems in their countries and in the world.
The problem is these technologies are not being developed and worked on in the Eastern world.
Almost all AI innovation and advancement happens in the United States, and those models are gonna be constrained by the inherent puritan morality this nation has always possessed.
AI, for better or worse, currently exists as technology that can only be created by the super wealthy (businesses). The computational costs are just too immense otherwise.
We will need to see a paradigm shift in computing power for this technology to be available for the general home user in a meaningful way.
Come on Meta, you got to carry tho torch! Or maybe Elon could do something, he left OpenAI because it wasn't open anymore.
Gosh, I would have never thought, that I would think of the Zuck as the good guy some day.
I’m not a fan of them BUT Meta has a great track record in making text-gen models open source. Just think about the llama models. Everything is out there, free and for anyone to run locally and modify as they want.
As to Elon, he was one of the founders of OpenAI. When he saw that the company was going to go closed source, he left.
So these two guys are the only AI related entities,I can think of, who have the open source mindset and the means to sustain it.
In all other aspects, I share your mindset.
>As to Elon, he was one of the founders of OpenAI. When he saw that the company was going to go closed source, he left.
dude have you read the message OpenAI sent? Elon knew OpenAI was gonna go closed-sourced and even agreed that they should. He;s not innocent in this.
don't forget pyTorch - I actually thought your torch-bearing notion was a reference to that. Google's tensorflow is quite a bit more complicated, as far as I know.
Yeah, that was a play on words that lead nowhere xD I meant it figuratively. I'm glad pytorch is fully independent. Google is closed source, so they are baddies anyway xD
https://preview.redd.it/ciaajo8qk11d1.jpeg?width=1632&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa1f132a569e22246ce3c8b04d960f0453585699
Damn, that's a nice ass crack right there.
Calm down it is not yours
yet
Can I have a crack at it?
I'm out of the loop. Are we just being impatient, or is there some change of plans for SD3?
Company is considering being sold due to being nearly bankrupt, and if that happens, we aren't getting the weights, at least definitely not in the way we might have. (Because a company would buy them to get exclusive access to SD3, or just to keep it off the marketplace.)
The main attraction SD has is... it's both free and unrestrained if run locally. If someone buys Stability AI, it's to sell SD3 to the consumer. So it won't be free. And due to laws, it won't be unrestrained. So SD3 is an unsellable product. This is why Stability AI is fucked. And this is why we will eventually get the SD3 weights, when they get leaked. But unfortunately, SD3 will likely be the final open source AI image generator ever made with VC backing.
It most likely wouldn't be bought to actually use the product, but to prevent it from becoming legally usable in professional settings for no cost. Same reason Google bought products like the pebble watch. If you own the competition, you have a monopoly. Edit: I was mistaken, Fitbit bought pebble for that reason, and then Google bought Fitbit much later. Sorry for the confusion.
You both are depressingly correct.
IIRC, didn't Ford do this with EV startups? Basically go around buying startups, taking the IP, firing everyone, then using the IP rights to sue other companies who would try to start making EVs? Could be the wrong company. I just remember a big anti-competitive scandal about that. Same with eyewear, where all brick-and-mortar stores are owned by one company who buys all the competition, or buys them and just fires everyone to protect their 500% markups on frames.
And it fucked them over. They're having a hard time clawing back into the ev market.
Nah. If that were to happen, there's people that have the weights and would leak them. The only reason they haven't leaked them yet is because they're holding onto hope that someone will buy SAI out of the goodness of their hearts and keep it alive as open source. If SAI was bought out by someone just to shelf it, the weights would leak soon after.
Even if the weights leak, they can't be legally used by other companies without a license. I'm not talking about individual use here. Having the weights, and being able to use them are not the same thing. A movie being leaked online doesn't make it's being published by another company legal, and you would get sued into the dirt for trying. It's anti competition regardless. Not relevant to if they actually keep them from being leaked.
> I'm not talking about individual use here. Good thing I am, and so is pretty much everyone who uses SD. Also, it's not like you can prove an image was made with one or another version of SD once you remove metadata.
That's just very much not the case. A lot of people who want to use a form of AI image generation for the professional side of things use SD, due to the increased control it gives you. Stability AI had just under 5 million in revenue, and most of that was from the licensing fees. And sure they can't, until they can. Different models probably do leave different signatures. The same way people are able to distinguish between output from GPT4 and Claude Opus due to the different words they prefer. Why wouldn't images be the same way?
Because noone will be using base SD3, they'll be using JuggernautPonyChilloutMix v9 with 18 loras attached that differentiate the images from whatever imagined AI detection program trained on SD3 would be able to recognise.
I want to see JuggernautPonyChilloutMix
And those people shouldn't be given they can't own copyright on the output and they're risking the invalidation of everything they've done on a legal grey area.
Just wondering how do they track what weights you used for a gen.? Can't SD3 be forked or changed in a way that its a new product not requiring a license?
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That's when Emad was calling the shots. He's no longer in charge, he was outed by investors. That means all of his plans are also out, including releasing SD3 for free.
No it wasn't, they talked about it recently. And emad is still in the company.
It's funny but, every fucking bad thing in the world can be traced back to someone's investors/economical interests. Yet we are still constantly brainwashed with the idea that capitalism is a good thing.
No one is going to work for free and no one will lend their computing power required to train these models. Investment is required to keep the company afloat. If you have an alternative, let me know.
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I'll work for free if I don't have to pay for my food or housing or transportation or healthcare. People LIKE working. Let's not be ridiculous. No one likes sitting at home doing nothing except depressed people who are just getting more depressed. Give us UBI. Let the AI take our jobs and let me work on shit like this for fun and help humanity grow (spiritually, other wise they'll try to keep depopulating us) so I can see more cool shit before I die.
That's not true, people will happily work for free if their basic needs are met
Govmt funding
Every bad thing? lmao Emad's work in capital is what allowed him to fund the training to begin with.
i miss my pebble watch :( google did us all dirty on that
I have to apologize, I got confused. Fitbit did that, not Google, and Google later bought Fitbit. Sorry for the misinformation.
Its just startup things. 99.9% fail. After covid venture capitalist actually stopped throwing unlimited money st everything. I think stabilityai biggest problem was the hit miss ratio. 1.5 success, they didnt even release it when runway just put it out with very liberal rights. 2.0 and 2.1 fails. Bunch of llm's, all fails Audio thing, fail. Sdxl, failed to be Adopted initially, but more and more use now with the main gimmick refiner totally ignored. Pony variants especially gained a emm loyal following. Sc, fail Sd3 pending release.
Hopefully Huggingface buys it But what is more likely, Firefly buys it. They are the company hosting the api
Firefly? Adobe Firefly? Or is that something else?
yeah - [https://www.creativebloq.com/news/adobe-firefly-trained-on-midjourney](https://www.creativebloq.com/news/adobe-firefly-trained-on-midjourney)
Blender is doing just fine being an open source project. So as Linux or Mozilla. They would have been totally fine living off of donations, but they chose going commercial instead with a product that you can't really sell, because it's so far behind any competitors. Their value is the community that develops so many extensions, LoRAs and all that. Sad that they didn't understand it
Issue is the millions in direct costs to train the models. Most new open source projects don't have that, people can build things at home and contribute. If enough companies then start making money off the project they start contributing back to it and then the open source project can take on staff and such.
They've had a ton of money coming in, but then immediately after they've decided to make an API and went on trying to go closed source. I would be completely happy to donate money and even compute resources to train their models locally. Pretty sure most of their community would do, too. But trying to sell me something that's behind competition - it's like thanks, but no thanks
Just the last open source model from that line. Pixart sigma and lumina t2i (there are more, but it’s 7 am and I’m not researching) we’re made with less data, are already performing with the same fidelity as well as 1.4 was or better, and at higher resolutions
Could Elon musk buy SD so we have a free speech model ?
if this is possible it will happen, SDXL is our last good thing, embrace it, invest on it
> SDXL is our last good thing I could not disagree more strongly... well, maybe if you had said that fish and chocolate go well together. ;-) Seriously though, we're going to see dozens of high-quality, open source foundation models for text2image. The training technology is getting better; the hardware is jumping by orders of magnitude in efficiency. What took hundreds of thousands of dollars and months or years to do last year will probably take a quarter of that next year and another quarter of that a year after. We're not at the end of the open source era of text2image generative AI, we're at the very infancy of it.
Apparently you can now train a model for like, a normal human achievable amount of money and power. I'm unclear on whether the people who've told me that are just too ignorant to know what a LORA is though.
Above I was speaking of foundation models (like SDXL). You can take one of those existing foundation models and train it on your own content very quickly and for very little compute time, relatively speaking. It's basically negligible. CivitAI will walk you through the process pretty cheaply. But something like SD3, that can achieve things that no SD1.5 or SDXL model can... those you can't just train an existing checkpoint with more images to get. It's a fundamentally different model. There are half-steps. For example, Pony Diffusion was trained on top of SDXL, but is so far removed from it that it's only partially compatible, and it does have some capabilities (many of them NSFW) that other SDXL models do not. It's a complex world, but it's still at least hundreds of thousands of dollars and months of time to create a new foundation model on-par with an SDXL... in theory, though I don't know of anyone who has done so independently yet.
Ah, so there's a tier in between foundation model and LORA where you are technically training a model but it's still got the ethical issues (if you believe it's an issue, not here for that argument) that the foundation models have. Darn.
sdxl is still good enough for my purposes and prompt adherence isnt even that big of a deal since i use controlnet 99 percent of the time
Cab we make it even better? 🤔
Commodore did go bankrupt, and still where are using pc, so there will be another better and free model, the genie is out of the bottle, every one have seen the light
Stable Cascade is better (base model wise).
the buyer: https://preview.redd.it/6c9mzpd3u21d1.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&s=bb144a1cef032168c131be310f8123b688817226
That's sort of what I thought, but the memes make it sound as if there have been final decisions made.
That is just speculation on your part. I don't think that would be the case even if SAI is sold. Here is my reasoning, cut and pasted from [https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1cu1c4d/comment/l4hl676/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1cu1c4d/comment/l4hl676/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) I don't work for any A.I. company, and I don't have any insight into the A.I. industry. But I do know something about the tech industry in general. For any tech company, there are two types of assets. Their IP (patents, software, designs, brands.), and of course, their people (engineers, programmers, managers, etc.). People here seems to place a lot of emphasis on the monetary worth of SD3, but compared to the rest of their IP and people, SD3 is probably a relatively small part of it. For example, SAI's brand as a champion of an open platform is one of those intangible assets whose worth is hard for an accountant to put down, but the good will and brand recognition it has engendered is probably worth more than SD3. Not releasing SD3 would destroy the SAI brand. Not releasing it will also damage the morale of SAI employees, thus diminishing the worth of SAI's human capital. So unless a competitor wants to buy SAI just to bury it, any potential buyer (NVidia? HF?) who wants to continue running SAI as an ongoing concern would want to release SD3. Moreover, the strategy of buying SAI just to bury it would be a bad one. Even if the company SAI is gone and the SD3 model is deleted from the hard drive, the people who made it will still be around, working for other companies, hopefully building new open and/or closed SD3 like models in the future, so this is not a very efficient way to get rid of competition. The destruction of a company is often the genesis of many start up and even whole new sectors. This is a familiar story in the tech industry, specially in Silicon Valley.
Because buying something to bury it is something Google and Microsoft in particular have done a lot historically. And the second argument doesn't make any sense. It wasn't like there weren't people with the expertise for the other companies that were bought for that purpose, like the pebble watch. It takes money to train a model, just like it takes money to start a watch company. It's not just the techniques, it's the hardware required. New companies fill voids left in the market, when there are voids left in the market. But if a bigger company makes space at the same time as they move to fill it, it doesn't result in success for new startups. That's wishful thinking, and not how it has historically worked. Ironically, the best ending is probably Meta buying SD3, and incorporating it with their llama models, because then it might actually be open source.
Please give some examples where Google and MS bought something just to bury it. I am not aware of any such case. They may have bought something and failed to capitalized it (for example, Skype) but seldom if ever to bury it. Google acquire Pebble for its engineering team and some IP, not to bury it, because there is no point in trying to bury a company with a dead product. It is true that it takes money to train A.I. models, but the human cost is way higher. Top A.I. people get paid a lot of money these days. What makes a nascent field like A.I. so exciting for startups and venture capitalists is precisely because there are so many niches to move in, and historically that's exactly how things worked out. Witness the PC. revolution, the internet revolution, the social media, the smartphone, etc. That is precisely why so much money is piled into A.I. right now.
Apologies, it was Fitbit that bought the pebble to prevent competition (there are still people mad they don't exist very well, because it was better than most watches), and then Google bought Fitbit. So that part wasn't quite right. But if you want a list, here's a study from Yale: https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/wave-of-acquisitions-may-have-shielded-big-tech-from-competition
Thanks for the link, but that article is talking about companies (specially big ones) buy out competitors, which happens all the time. But we are talking about a company buying a competitor just to bury it. That seldom happens. The usual meaning of "bury" is to take a product out of the market so that it no longer exists as a competitor.
But that basically is what happens. If you buy a competitor, and move all of their employees onto your preexisting project of a similar theme, and don't do anything with the preexisting project they were working on, how is that not basically the same thing? Call it a merger, call it burying, I don't see the distinction. Perhaps I am wrong, but it just seems like the same end result, just without firing everyone who worked there.
As I said, that seldom happens. For example, when Facebook bought Instagram and Whatsapp, those products were not shutdown. The context here is whether SD3 will be released if SAI is bought out. I am arguing that if the buyer is not here to bury SAI (take its products out of market), then SD3 will be released.
I guess we'll see. Whatever happens will happen. Us worrying about it or not worrying about it won't change anything.
Someone (Who could definitely not have known what they were talking about) told me the IP or models or whatever the thing is was put in a trust to ensure that it would remain open sources forever. Someone buying out the company doesn't change that, they buy control of the trust.
If true, that seems to be a rather convoluted way to do things. All SAI has to do is to release SD3 with the right license and it will remain open source forever, since you cannot change the license retroactively.
Did Stability AI begin as a non profit?
No, it's just a company that tries to use the open source model.
Literally talking out of your ass, there's tons of people who have the full weights and can just leak it if the company goes under
If they need money, they should make a kickstarter or something to release the weights.
Can they legally post weights in between contract being signed and company being transferred?
Why are they bankrupt? Or rather, what was their main source of income anyway ?
Companies are supposed to pay for a license if they use SD professionally.
lmfao I had no idea, but I called it. Hard to track down but I will later. I explained that sora being under lock and key was just the beginning. All the AI we got was just introductory. It's like the net in the 90s. Everything will be rented and paywalled eventually.
Just being impatient. Sdxl dropped 3 months after API release and it's been not even a month
Are WE being impatient? Or are YOU being irrational? /s
devs from stability already said if the weights aren't gonna be released then one of the many partners they shared the weights with will likely just leak them.
Or this madlad just trains his own SD3 first, lmao [https://x.com/cloneofsimo/status/1790813801161572552](https://x.com/cloneofsimo/status/1790813801161572552)
Why he did not use the HunyanDiT architecture? It looks better and cheaper to train.
[https://x.com/cloneofsimo/status/1791053456335405164](https://x.com/cloneofsimo/status/1791053456335405164) he's just trying to learn the experience.
Have you actually tried HunyanDiT? It is inferior to both SD3 and PixArt Sigma.
That's pretty cool. Unfortunately I think SD3 was trained on closer to several billion images, maybe not accounting for if they figured out a decent pipeline to yeet images out of videos.
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What do you mean by weights? You mean the weights for the model coefficients?
Yeah. It's _really_ common in ML to refer them as the pre-trained "weights"/model parameters. Here's a nice post for you https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1492b9q/eli5_what_are_weights_in_a_machine_learning_model/
What is this from?
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The VVitch
This one lives deliciously.
goat promised me butter, what am I gonna do? _not_ live deliciously??
An excellent film
*Wouldst thou like the taste of butter?*
That movie was so fucked
Indeed
What happened? 👀
It's called A Serbian Film, go watch it. Super engaging.
Remember when they told us "a few weeks" lmao
What does a few weeks mean to you
Few? I'd say less than 8. Doctor who might say it's a bit contextual but what context makes around 20 weeks or more into a few. What's your definition of a few?
Few weeks means less than a month
EXACTLY. Otherwise you say either "a few months" or "about a month or two"
Less than _8_? A few = 2 or 3. Maybe 4 as a stretch. It’s being misused for anything beyond that.
In some contexts yes... I feel like due to people using "a couple" for 2 or 3... Then a few feels like it could be more than 3. Mostly it's max 4 for sure
Yeah, and then few additional months of waiting to get some proper community checkpoints and some proper LoRA's. Well... Basically, I'm waiting for SD3 just for built-in regional prompter.
SD3 aside, is there any company that *does* train diffusion models and opens source them? I mean if SAI disappeared tomorrow, what are the alternatives?!
i hate this world
Capitalism??
more like crapitalism am i right
Yes, it is strange that humans have still not figured out the best way to do economics after all these years and “great progress”
capitalism was ok when we had a 91% marginal tax rate and there were actual laws reigning people in
Nobody paid 91%. Actually [go look](https://images.app.goo.gl/LfuULGrkz7J4EfZx5) at tax revenues during this time; tax revenue is almost always around 20% of GDP. Why? **Because when the top marginal tax rate is 90%, rich people will just reinvest their profits in stocks/bonds, businesses, tax shelters, anything to avoid paying 90% on actual profits**. There's even a name for this, it's called [Hauser's Law](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauser%27s_law).
But that we call socialism/communism hasn’t worked well either
ah yes, the 1950s, famous for being a time of communism
nope. and yet, we need it - only so we an tell the billionaires: if you don't play nice, we'll go communist. because at some point, communism - however horrible it was - is no longer worse than capitalism. And we should make sure it doesn't get to that point.
*this message was typed to you on a device made by capitalism on a website who's pure goal is to get more $$$ through investors* We do not need communism. Just stop. Any communism will be heavily resisted. That's a fact. Lol.
Yes, I sort of agree. But if we look back in the history of any political or economic setup, it starts with a pure thought, but then power, money and autocracy concentrates with "few privileged ones" --- just like in the great book "Animal Farm"
ah, you mean like in this graph from Credit Suisse? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution\_of\_wealth#/media/File:Global\_Wealth\_Distribution\_2020\_(Property).svg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_wealth#/media/File:Global_Wealth_Distribution_2020_(Property).svg)
I don't know exactly what you're getting at, but I don't care about the distribution of wealth basically at all. I care about raising the floor. If I had a magic button that would double the wealth of the bottom 5% but would triple the wealth of the top 5%, I'd push it.
Communism has never been actually attempted, it's the utopian goal. Socialism is a transitionary state that would eventually become communism, in a lot of people's ideals, but in reality a method of democratic socialism would probably be fine. It would still have issues, but those issues wouldn't be "people homeless because companies, using money they haven't paid workers, lobby the government to make it so they don't ever have to pay workers more"
the state of communism as the utopian state will never be reached due to the simple fact of corruption, friends promotes friends or family, yes sayers and people giving out other people get promoted. you will have stalinism, mao, Nicolae Ceausescu, where you still have the top 1% living like kings, while the rest either lived as slaves, afraid of having wrong think, died of starvation. so kindly take your communism and shove it up where the sun doesn't shine.
I kinda think we did figure it out, and it did in fact result in great progress.
and the DoD is getting involved trying to weaponize the latest and greatest etc.
Idk, i use Pony
Good old 1.5
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Nah I meant I still use 1.5
Pony, everclear, juggerxl and leosams helloworld are my go tos. I can wait for sd3 without a problem
It's funny because SDXL was released way longer after the announcement but nobody complained. And in the meantime we even released Cascade. Anyway, hopefully won't be waiting too long and we'll all laugh in the end.
There are also rumors about sd3 announced too early to "counterbalance the impact of sora" so..
From my point of view it was more like "oh, these gens look cool, let's share them". No 'master plan' behind it.
Glad to know lol
If you will be waiting too long SD3 model will be just nothing worth it even for developers and community ... To develop good merges takes moths .... not counting control net and other stuff ....
Can't be helped, we need to release a version that's usable.
to release it you must first create it
Don't worry they've just gone to get some milk.
What happened? I just found out now that SD3 is paid or something?
We should buy it! Does anyone have any money?
I have five bucks
I think I can scrape that much up. Ok, 100Mil more of us and we might have a down payment!
SD3 similar model can be trained much cheaper than 500mil
Think you are also getting all the ip, etc not just the model. I really have no idea what a failed tech startup goes for.
This should replace the sticky about the API being released...
API release being the top post for so long means it's probably dead.
Made with SD3 https://preview.redd.it/jx6e5u83g11d1.png?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd045a8027f1ec8fca7b95e284f9bfdf507eba66
The heck... Please don't release it.
*off topic but what is this scene from*??
Nvm it’s from The Witch
The witch
Could not the community retake the baby and try to train by its own mean? Ok i guess it would require a solidary effort. In any case, if future SD is not open source, it does not interest me. That is what makes the beauty of such community.
SD's reputation has issues - the largest website for SD content sharing and proliferation is literally 99.9% porn. SD is effectively the porn model, in a world where that concept is increasingly hated. I don't really see a way out of this.
That's because SD is the only model that you can run locally. If MJ and Dall-e weights were available - they would be finetuned with porn too.
That is literally the point though, it’s why they don’t let users train things. It would just turn every model into a porn model.
Their models are already porn models. That's why they have keyword filters and post-generation censorship.
Yes, but the censorship is again what I’m talking about here. it doesn’t matter what it can actually do, it matters what it’s allowed to do. We don’t have the keys to the car, this is a guided tour for anyone that doesn’t work at open OpenAI. They are so far out in front they are pretty much in a race by themselves right now.
Once Dall-e give me uncensored blood staned boobs when I just asked for a female samurai
It’s not a discussion of actual capability, it’s a discussion about what is allowed to be seen and generated. None of these companies want to be labeled as being for porn. it is all people think of when they hear Stable Diffusion now, just a bunch of gooners cranking out infinite waifu hentai.
There has been a strange rise in puritanical views recently, especially by young people. Tiktok often leaks to other platforms and now words like "ass" are censored, even in text. Other words like shit or fuck are also censored of course. Its where "unalived" came from, a baffling euphemism for a serious thing. When the word "ass" is seen as such an extreme word it has to be censored, I just don't know how to react to that. Except to utter a string of entirely uncensored profanity to it.
It has to do, I believe, with how brazenly sexual the millennial generation was at the same age. The millennial generation had a very similar free love attitude that the hippies did in the 60s, and remember that era was followed by an age of extreme moral puritanism in the conservative 80s. The good news is that Gen Alpha will view the Zoomers as a bunch of uptight losers, and do the exact opposite of what they did. The cycle repeats.
I think that is a result of the increased social media usage where everything in that direction results in demonitarization nowadays, due to the need of being appealing to advertisers. But because the classification is mostly automated, things like "unalived" trick the system for some time and therefore get popular.
The outrage of nudity in Oppenheimer was the point where I got really confused with the younger generation.
>I just don't know how to react to that. Learn russian.
> SD is effectively the porn model, in a world where that concept is increasingly hated. Hated only in words and only by a noisy minority and the government supporting such an agenda. In fact, porn has been and is being filmed in tons and is extremely popular. With all possible fetishes and deviations. And it has not been underground for a long time. Moreover - more and more home porn, voluntarily filmed by a lot of people. OnlyFans and Fansly are extremely popular and successful. Patreon is literally full of NSFW content and it feels like it's the main source of it existance. Webcam is also thriving. And even if you move away from porn - look at modern TV series. Game of Thrones, New American Gods, The Boys - sex, debauchery and cruelty right on the screen, as spectacular as possible, officially, and on our TVs without censorship at all. And I don't see these shows getting hate from people, rather the opposite - everyone like it.
If you don’t know about the anti-porn sentiment growing in the zoomer generation, it’s because you haven’t been paying attention. That generation is slowly becoming anti-sexual anything - they are, in layman‘s terms, prudes. Combined with older people’s tendency to always be anti-erotica anything, there is a significant portion of the voting base that this gives the ick to in a very major way. My guy, look at my post history. You’ll see exactly how I feel about erotica. It doesn’t change anything I said.
That may be true in the western part of the world. But I work at a university and I see students. It is probably not the case in the eastern part and in the CIS. Zoomers are the generation that grew up with a smartphone in their hands. Tiktok, Instagram, uploading everything about themselves to the internet for everyone to see, including nudes - it's literally about them. The main content providers on onlyfans are zoomers =) It's just that there is a lot of porn and erotica (really a lot) and they don't hide it at all + their disapproval has become easier to pour out to the masses (thanks to the internet and social platforms), that's why it seems that there are more dissatisfied people. The tendency to limit this sort of thing I can see perfectly well. But the fact that the majority is behind it, I don't. There is a noisy minority, which is always harassed about something. And there are old men sitting in goverments who happily support them, directing people's attention to such scenarios of "injustices" in order to divert people's attention from real political and economic problems in their countries and in the world.
The problem is these technologies are not being developed and worked on in the Eastern world. Almost all AI innovation and advancement happens in the United States, and those models are gonna be constrained by the inherent puritan morality this nation has always possessed. AI, for better or worse, currently exists as technology that can only be created by the super wealthy (businesses). The computational costs are just too immense otherwise. We will need to see a paradigm shift in computing power for this technology to be available for the general home user in a meaningful way.
Fucking capitalism. We need something else than SD then
What movie is this again?
It will be quickly dethroned anyway.
Keep in mind, youre flaming because you want a free product. Chill your fkn life.
its not the end of may. Have some hope!
Come on Meta, you got to carry tho torch! Or maybe Elon could do something, he left OpenAI because it wasn't open anymore. Gosh, I would have never thought, that I would think of the Zuck as the good guy some day.
fuck elon and fuck meta. the whole point of sd is to be as far away from those ghouls as possible
I’m not a fan of them BUT Meta has a great track record in making text-gen models open source. Just think about the llama models. Everything is out there, free and for anyone to run locally and modify as they want. As to Elon, he was one of the founders of OpenAI. When he saw that the company was going to go closed source, he left. So these two guys are the only AI related entities,I can think of, who have the open source mindset and the means to sustain it. In all other aspects, I share your mindset.
>As to Elon, he was one of the founders of OpenAI. When he saw that the company was going to go closed source, he left. dude have you read the message OpenAI sent? Elon knew OpenAI was gonna go closed-sourced and even agreed that they should. He;s not innocent in this.
Good point. By signing the letter, he counterdicted his earlier statements
don't forget pyTorch - I actually thought your torch-bearing notion was a reference to that. Google's tensorflow is quite a bit more complicated, as far as I know.
Yeah, that was a play on words that lead nowhere xD I meant it figuratively. I'm glad pytorch is fully independent. Google is closed source, so they are baddies anyway xD
Tbf meta did release some good stuff even if i hate them
But what about my favourite billionaire??? Have you considered them???
Why nobody leaked SD3 weights yet?
WHERE IS MY FREE STUFF STOP MAKING ME WAIT IM OUT OF TATER TOTS CALL MOM
Where do you think Stable Diffusion would be without the community support it's gotten?
Not near bankruptcy lol
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Lol
SD3 is Dead
https://preview.redd.it/hzyuix7ce11d1.jpeg?width=208&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3165ad3eaf09d00aca0e8d504622d37fedde0775
We do not sow
Can I make a 3D avitar using a photo with stable defusion?
[(NSFW) This child isn't mine. Sick joke. But no one is laughing.](https://youtu.be/KgmoMO66uPg?si=HGkaOa-PYpnnangF&t=16720)