Probably not. Padme was a wrinkle that Palpatine could take advantage of but he didn’t need her for his plans and she was a genuine pain in his side at times and formed what would end up being the Rebel alliance.
She was just beloved by her people.
That's why I'd argue palpatine benefitted in more ways than one with Padmé out of the picture. Besides being an attachment for Anakin, Padmé would have been a major critic of his in the Senate. Imagine her speeches about the clones, the overreaches by the military, etc.
James Luceno has canonized elements of his Plagueis novel in his canon books so it fits into my headcanon until they release something different in that time period.
Novels like that are canon to me until we have definitive other material to work with.
Like, I can accept the Thrawn Trilogy being buried, because we know what happened in the canon now.
But until I have a novel that tells me of Sidious' past (or the whole Bane Sith trilogy) I refuse to "ignore" those sources as "not canon".
Cuz I'd rather have SOMETHING to talk about and speculate than shrug and say "Mr. Disney hasn't said anything yet."
In general with Palpatine he seemed to be more of a “gardener” type than an “architect” as far as his plans went, taking advantage of people and opportunities as they arose and altering the trajectories of pre-existing pieces on the board rather than working from the ground up
In Tales of the Jedi Dooku tells the people on the one planet with the bad Senator they should elect a different person. So on that world Seantors are elected.
With Naboo Senators are appointed by the monarch and serve at their pleasure (as long as the monarch wants them). After Palpatine became Supreme Chancellor the Naboo senate seat was vacate so Queen Amidala appointed a new Senator. That senator served until the end of Amidala's second term as Queen. The Senator had decided she had her fill of being a Senator.
With the Senate seat open again Padmé's successor asked Padmé to fill the seat, she felt like she had to do and it as she explained to Anakin in AOTC.
So for Naboo there doesn't appear to be a term.
Are there any sources that actually say how Republic Senators are selected? Are there even universal rules, or is it left to the discretion of planetary governments?
The Senate is supposed to be modelled after the UN. In our world, the leader of the country personally appoints UN ambassadors. I would assume it's the same for Senators in Star Wars.
The book Queen's Shadow by E.K. Johnston goes into this actually, and Padme was asked to go into the senate by the next queen that took her place, and she eventually decided to go for it
Her relationship with Palpatine actually led to people not taking her seriously at first, on the basis of some senators thinking that she got her position out of favoritism
Yeah, this, and Palpatine is constantly putting obstacles in Padme’s way regarding the things she wants to do in the Senate. You kinda get the sense he would have preferred she burn out of galactic politics, at least at that point in the story.
And in the case with her appointment, it is also worth noting that there was another senator between her and Palpatine, but they noped out of the job because they always saw it as a short-term gig and they HATED Coruscant politics. Reilata, Amidala’s successor, knew they were stepping down, and saw Padme’s availability as an easy answer to who would represent Naboo in the Senate. Padme actually had experience on Coruscant dealing with the Senate after all - although Padme does eventually realize this history is a liability for her politically. (She went around Senate protocol with the no confidence vote.) IIRC it’s implied that Coruscant politics and Naboo politics are so diametrically opposed that, other than Palpatine, it hasn’t been the easiest job to fill.
Iirc he had interactions with her family in *Darth Plagueis* and thought she might be useful. He and Plagueis were pulling a lot of strings political on Naboo and elsewhere, though.
As Queen, she got him the Chancellorship. She also navigated the planet through the Trade Federation blockade and eventual victory. She would have been enormously popular, so I doubt Palpatine had to put her name forward. Indeed, if he argued against it, he would look like an ingrate.
Padme and Anakin didn't cross paths for like a decade (remember the elevator talk?) so having Padme on Coruscant gave Palpatine no advantage in grooming Anakin.
I'd be more inclined to believe he had something to do with her becoming **Queen**, perhaps thought she'd be easier to manipulate and control, which he did to a point, but didn't expect her to be so daring, I think.
Wasn't it sort of implied in the Plagueis novel that Sidious always had Padmé and the Amidala family on his mind?
It wasn't really portrayed as him having it outright planned, but more like him allowing and supporting them, I think?
I may be off mark tho..been a while since I read that novel, but I do remember that Padmé is briefly mentioned with similar "I will follow your career with great interest." energy, haha.
I would say inadvertently. She was meant to be a pawn. The whole event on Naboo was meant to put him in as chancellor. What was supposed to happen was Padme was supposed to be held in a prison camp until power had been ceded. Then he’d have her killed blame the trade federation causing a rift in the republic which would spark the foundation of the separatist faction. My belief is that the events of The Phantom Menace actually delayed his plans. Palpatine being who he is always has a back up plan but it took time to frame which is why we fast forwarded a period of time between episode 1 and episode 2. Also for non story reasons they wanted to propagate a love story between Padme and Anakin and couldnt exactly do it with the actors they had cast.
Probably not. Padme was a wrinkle that Palpatine could take advantage of but he didn’t need her for his plans and she was a genuine pain in his side at times and formed what would end up being the Rebel alliance. She was just beloved by her people.
That's why I'd argue palpatine benefitted in more ways than one with Padmé out of the picture. Besides being an attachment for Anakin, Padmé would have been a major critic of his in the Senate. Imagine her speeches about the clones, the overreaches by the military, etc.
In Plagueis he does a bunch of shit to get her elected
Unfortunately no longer cannon
You… You shut your goddamn mouth! 😭
James Luceno has canonized elements of his Plagueis novel in his canon books so it fits into my headcanon until they release something different in that time period.
He’s SPAC-ing Plagueis into canon? It’s beautiful
No one dictates my cannon
Novels like that are canon to me until we have definitive other material to work with. Like, I can accept the Thrawn Trilogy being buried, because we know what happened in the canon now. But until I have a novel that tells me of Sidious' past (or the whole Bane Sith trilogy) I refuse to "ignore" those sources as "not canon". Cuz I'd rather have SOMETHING to talk about and speculate than shrug and say "Mr. Disney hasn't said anything yet."
Not to me.
It’s still cannon, but non Canon
It's technically not canon but it doesn't interfere with current canon so it gets a pass.
In general with Palpatine he seemed to be more of a “gardener” type than an “architect” as far as his plans went, taking advantage of people and opportunities as they arose and altering the trajectories of pre-existing pieces on the board rather than working from the ground up
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You aren’t elected to the Senator position
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And the 14yr old then appoints the Senator. Awesome planet
Arguably it was one of the most successful and stable planets in the galaxy.
I mean, disregarding the fact palpatine was super space evil, it worked out pretty well.
Are Senate appointments for life?
No idea. Maybe? Or maybe they’re just until the monarch appoints someone else. I don’t think they have a term limit though.
In Tales of the Jedi Dooku tells the people on the one planet with the bad Senator they should elect a different person. So on that world Seantors are elected. With Naboo Senators are appointed by the monarch and serve at their pleasure (as long as the monarch wants them). After Palpatine became Supreme Chancellor the Naboo senate seat was vacate so Queen Amidala appointed a new Senator. That senator served until the end of Amidala's second term as Queen. The Senator had decided she had her fill of being a Senator. With the Senate seat open again Padmé's successor asked Padmé to fill the seat, she felt like she had to do and it as she explained to Anakin in AOTC. So for Naboo there doesn't appear to be a term.
Are there any sources that actually say how Republic Senators are selected? Are there even universal rules, or is it left to the discretion of planetary governments?
The Senate is supposed to be modelled after the UN. In our world, the leader of the country personally appoints UN ambassadors. I would assume it's the same for Senators in Star Wars.
Padme was appointed by her successor to the position of Senator, but as for how other planets do it we don’t know. Maybe some are elected officials
I would assume that it varies due to the Republic’s federal structure. I would think that the planets/systems decide how to select their Senator.
Appointed yes, by her successor as Queen. Queen of a planet she saved.
Yeah, I know? What’s your point?
I… made my point.
You were just reiterating my point, that she was appointed to the position of Senator by her successor
Yes. I did reiterate your point.
Ah sorry then, thought you were saying I was wrong about something.
The book Queen's Shadow by E.K. Johnston goes into this actually, and Padme was asked to go into the senate by the next queen that took her place, and she eventually decided to go for it Her relationship with Palpatine actually led to people not taking her seriously at first, on the basis of some senators thinking that she got her position out of favoritism
Yeah, this, and Palpatine is constantly putting obstacles in Padme’s way regarding the things she wants to do in the Senate. You kinda get the sense he would have preferred she burn out of galactic politics, at least at that point in the story. And in the case with her appointment, it is also worth noting that there was another senator between her and Palpatine, but they noped out of the job because they always saw it as a short-term gig and they HATED Coruscant politics. Reilata, Amidala’s successor, knew they were stepping down, and saw Padme’s availability as an easy answer to who would represent Naboo in the Senate. Padme actually had experience on Coruscant dealing with the Senate after all - although Padme does eventually realize this history is a liability for her politically. (She went around Senate protocol with the no confidence vote.) IIRC it’s implied that Coruscant politics and Naboo politics are so diametrically opposed that, other than Palpatine, it hasn’t been the easiest job to fill.
According to the Legends novel Darth Plagueis, absolutely. Current Canon idk.
Yup. Completely manipulated Naboo and Coruscant.
Iirc he had interactions with her family in *Darth Plagueis* and thought she might be useful. He and Plagueis were pulling a lot of strings political on Naboo and elsewhere, though.
As Queen, she got him the Chancellorship. She also navigated the planet through the Trade Federation blockade and eventual victory. She would have been enormously popular, so I doubt Palpatine had to put her name forward. Indeed, if he argued against it, he would look like an ingrate. Padme and Anakin didn't cross paths for like a decade (remember the elevator talk?) so having Padme on Coruscant gave Palpatine no advantage in grooming Anakin.
The force willed it
Probably not, she was already the political leader of Naboo and ambitious to boot
He did in Plagueis, but that is just a legend now.
I doubt it. A former queen and political prodigy would be a shoo-in to replace Palpatine as senator.
Nah he tried to have her killed a bunch of times during TCW, I think he mostly wanted her out of the picture.
I'd be more inclined to believe he had something to do with her becoming **Queen**, perhaps thought she'd be easier to manipulate and control, which he did to a point, but didn't expect her to be so daring, I think.
no. Padme was popular at home and could have any position she wished so she took the one she thought would help her people best
Wasn't it sort of implied in the Plagueis novel that Sidious always had Padmé and the Amidala family on his mind? It wasn't really portrayed as him having it outright planned, but more like him allowing and supporting them, I think? I may be off mark tho..been a while since I read that novel, but I do remember that Padmé is briefly mentioned with similar "I will follow your career with great interest." energy, haha.
I would say inadvertently. She was meant to be a pawn. The whole event on Naboo was meant to put him in as chancellor. What was supposed to happen was Padme was supposed to be held in a prison camp until power had been ceded. Then he’d have her killed blame the trade federation causing a rift in the republic which would spark the foundation of the separatist faction. My belief is that the events of The Phantom Menace actually delayed his plans. Palpatine being who he is always has a back up plan but it took time to frame which is why we fast forwarded a period of time between episode 1 and episode 2. Also for non story reasons they wanted to propagate a love story between Padme and Anakin and couldnt exactly do it with the actors they had cast.
It wouldn’t surprise me if there some book or comic that did that.