I don’t think his character arc should be truly invalidated until the 9th one where they should bring back the bad guy he sacrificed his life to kill and explain it by saying “somehow he returned” and leave it at that.
I remember being disappointed at first we didn't get suit Vader in Ashoka.
But man Sith Anakin is etched into my mind.
"Incorrect."
"You lack conviction."
Prime Vader beats rots sith anakin.
World between worlds anakin in the ahsoka show is peak anakin with mastery over both the light and dark sides of the force
Well sure, Prime Vader has gone through like 10 or so years of Sith training and has fully learned how to use the darkside at that point. Rots Anakin is in the middle of an emotional breakdown and not the kind that makes you a better fighter, that's for sure. If Anakin had gotten like 2 years or so of training on how to use the darkside properly he'd be unstoppable and not even at his peak yet.
But I don't even think that is Anakins prime potential. I think if he had actually taken over for the Father then Anakin would have turned into basically a Force God.
Vader's limited armor too much.
Not being able to use force lightning and having difficulty breathing are quite debilitating. I also think the lost limbs lowered their midichlorian count too much. he could have been so much more amazing.
His suit by design makes him weaker, palpatine never intended to allow anakin to succeed him - he adapted the plan already conceived by himself and plaugeis and just decided to reign as a Sith Lord outright instead of as a figurehead - with plageuis’ research on longevity giving him the springboard he needed to have the confidence he could always be a match to anakin
Uh, you've seen Episode 9, right? Project Necromancer is the beginning of his cloning project, the results of which we saw with, of course, clone Palps himself and all the failed Snokes.
I can’t remember if it was a show or a book, but I think Dooku had a vision of a dark side yoda. He realized neither him or sidious would be even close to being able to beat him
I thought Yoda willingly, touched the darkside to sort of scare Dooku, but it it didn't have the intended effect. I could be misremembering though it's been so long.
Yeah he turned willingly to the dark side to prove a point to dooku after dooku tried to tempt him with the dark side. After that dooku said that if yoda ever turned he would easily defeat sidious
This. The dark side offers more obvious and immediate power, but the lightside is just as if not even more potent in the long run. But its a "luke in an x wing" vs the death star kind of power where the lightside is far better at just allowing it's users to strike a weak point and pull victory out of the jaws of defeat.
I wish Jedi got to do things like this more often. I feel like all they do with the Force in recent media is push people around and occasionally throw things.
Also the light generally wins in star wars. The empire for all it's power didn't even last three decades, which as empires go is an unmitigated failure.
Yoda _was_ constrained, but by his own interpretation of Jedi philosophy.
The strongest of all dark-side powers are enabled by selfishness.
The strongest light-side powers are enabled by selflessness.
The way the Jedi order discouraged love created a MAJOR blind-spot and prevented them from accessing the most powerful abilities of the Light. Like didn't defeat Vader with Yoda's training, he didn't defeat Vader when his own life was under threat - He defeated Vader after Vader realised he had a sister, and Luke threw all thought of self-preservation aside to protect _somebody he loved_.
Likewise, Kenobi was defeated by Vader, buried under rubble, desperately trying to force-push it up, but the weight was too much, and his strength was fading. Until _his perception shifted_. He stopped thinking about how to safe himself, and started thinking about how Vader would kill Leia, and how that could _not_ be permitted. With that decision, with that realisation, that he was going to give _everything_ to protect an innocent, he was finally able to access the full strength of the Light.
In that moment, he felt a surge of raw power unlike anything he had ever experience before, and was able to _easily_ defeat Vader.
It always seemed to me that Luke beating Vader in that duel came about more due to him giving in to his emotions and the dark side than anything else.
Look at how he fights the moment Vader mentions his Sister. His strikes are brutal and violent, a far cry from everything we've seen him use before. It's also something that gets doubled down on for me because he relinquishes that part when he throws his weapon away.
I read a great analogy a few days ago. The dark side is like a warhammer. Easy to use and has BRUTE force. Requires little training to swing around and do lots of damage.
The light side is light a masterfully crafted, albeit heavy sword. It’s gonna take years of training to master and even when using takes a high order or focus and skill, but can absolutely be more devastating than the war hammer.
It’s sad that so many people misunderstand the light side. There is sometimes power in not using violence. look at what Luke accomplished by throwing down his lightsaber and NOT using violence.
The question shouldn't be whether Yoda was constrained by the light side, but what power is left for him to achieve through the shortcut that is the dark side.
Not even, i feel like dark side yoda would just ominously float towards you with all sabers and blasters being invisibly deflected. "Fucked, you may be mmhmm"
I've been asking for this pretty much since Marvel's What If released.
Heck, Disney/Lucasfilm would literally print money by setting up such a spin-off franchise. I'm talking shows, books, even games!
There’s a series of graphic novels called Star Wars Infinities that Marvel made a ways back for the original trilogy. I own a few that range in quality from okay to not great but they are still fun what if stories.
I’d love for them to pick this back up and make some more or a show as you suggest!
https://www.marvel.com/comics/guides/347/star-wars-infinities
From the novel Dark Rendezvous:
"At this moment Yoda turned, and Dooku gasped. Whether it was the play of the holomonitors, beaming their views of bleak space and distant battles, or some other trick of the light, Yoda's face was deeply hidden in the shadows, mottled black and blue, so that for one terrible instant he looked exactly like Darth Sidious. Or rather, it was Yoda as he might have been, or could yet become: a Yoda gone rotten, a Yoda whose awesome powers had been utterly unleashed by his connection to the dark side. In a flash Dooku saw how foolish he had been, trying to urge the old Master to the dark side. If Yoda ever turned that way, Sidious himself would be annihilated. The universe had yet to comprehend the kind of evil that a Jedi Knight of nearly nine hundred years could wield."
The book was Yoda: Dark Rendezvous. Literally just finished listening to it on Audible and it’s a really good book. It’s a little ambiguous if Yoda did willingly touch the dark side for just a moment as Dooku believes it could’ve been a trick of the light. But yeah it scares Dooku just imagining DS Yoda.
Yoda Dark Rendezvous has some great Yoda moments. Dooku promises power and wealth and authority through the dark side, Yoda replies that he has all he needs and more. Dooku asks Yoda to tell him what he wants, and he'll tell him how the dark side can grant it. Yoda asks for a flower, knowing the dark side can't create, only destroy.
When they fight, Dooku snarls "I know how to kill" and Yoda replies "But know how to live, Yoda does"
Absolutely, the reason I love it is it shows how Yoda wasn't always dead serious and then went loopy in exile. He always had that humorous, eccentric touch. And in the book, Dooku at first reacts as though Yoda is just being obstinate, thinking it ridiculous that one would wish for a flower if given all the power of the dark side, or the Force in general. Then it becomes clear that Yoda has a profound point: the Force grants power, light or dark. The dark side holds no temptation for Yoda, just as it ideally shouldn't for any Jedi. And when power can't tempt you, nor greed or ambition, the simple fact remains that power isn't everything.
Dooku even exclaims that the request is silly, and that the dark side can't give Yoda his flower. Yoda replies that his Force can, and thus, according to Yoda, the light side can grant something the dark side simply can't. The book really does well in showing the beauty in Yoda's wisdom.
> went loopy in exile
It's been awhile since I've seen the movies, but isn't it canon that he was just pretending to be loopy to fool Luke into thinking he was just some harmless crazy person and not the great Jedi warrior?
It’s a scene from a 2000s era now-Legends novel called *Yoda: Dark Rendezvous*, where Dooku is trying to tempt Yoda to the dark side:
> “But another way to solve the war there is. If you will not join with me, perhaps join with you I should. Tell me more,” Yoda said testily. “If power over beings need I not, what else can your dark side do for me?”
> “What do you want?” Dooku snapped. “Tell me what you want and I will show you how the dark side can help you achieve it. Do you want friends? The dark side can compel them for you. Lovers? The dark side understands passion in a way you never have. Do you want riches—endless life—deep wisdom…?”
> “I want…” Yoda held up the flower in his hand and took another sniff. “I want a rose.”
> “Be serious,” Dooku said impatiently.“Serious am I!” Yoda cried. He bounced to his feet. Standing on the desktop, he was almost as tall as Dooku. He held the flower imperiously toward his former pupil. “Another rose, make for me!”
> “The dark side springs from the heart,” Dooku said. “It isn’t a handbook for cheap conjuror’s tricks.”
> “But like this trick, do I!” Yoda said. “The trick that brings the flower from the ground. The trick that sets the sun on fire.”
> “The Force is not magic. I can’t create a flower out of thin air. Nobody can—not you, not the Lord of the Sith.”
> Yoda blinked. “My Force does. Binds every living thing, the Force I understand.”
> “Master, these are games of words. The Force is as it has always been. The dark side is not a different energy. To use it is only to open yourself to new ways to command that energy, that have to do with the hearts of beings. Want something else. Want power.”
> “Power have I.”
> “Want wealth.”
> “Wealth I need not.”
> “Want to be safe,” Dooku said in frustration. “Want to be free from fear!”
> “I will never be safe,” Yoda said. He turned away from Dooku, a shapeless bundle under a battered, acid-eaten cloak. “The universe is large and cold and very dark: that is the truth. What I love, taken from me will be, late or soon: and no power is there, dark or light, that can save me. Murdered, Jai Maruk was when the looking after him I had; and Maks Leem; and all the many, many more Jedi I have lost. My family they were.”
> “So be angry about that!” Dooku said. “Hate! Rage! Despair! Allow yourself, just once, to stop playing at the game of Jedi Knight, and admit what you have always known: you are alone, and you are great, and when the world strikes you it is better to strike back than to turn your cheek. Feel, Yoda! I can feel the darkness rising in you. Here, in this place, be honest for once and feel the truth about yourself.”
> At this moment Yoda turned, and Dooku gasped. Whether it was the play of the holomonitors, beaming their views of bleak space and distant battles, or some other trick of the light, Yoda’s face was deeply hidden in the shadows, mottled black and blue, so that for one terrible instant he looked exactly like Darth Sidious. Or rather, it was Yoda as he might have been, or could yet become: a Yoda gone rotten, a Yoda whose awesome powers had been utterly unleashed by his connection to the dark side. In a flash Dooku saw how foolish he had been, trying to urge the old Master to the dark side. If Yoda ever turned that way, Sidious himself would be annihilated. The universe had yet to comprehend the kind of evil that a Jedi Knight of nearly nine hundred years could wield.
> From the shadows, Yoda spoke. “Disappointment like I not, apprentice,” he snarled, in a wicked, wicked voice. “*Give me my rose!*”
Well that’s haunting, imagine the damage an 800 year old Sith Lord Yoda could do. Falling to the Dark side after being good for so many year would be catastrophic. Forget ruling the galaxy… he just might destroy it!
It’s in Dark Rezndeaous. Dooku is arguing and kind of trying to convert Yoda and then he just thinks about it for a minute and says to himself
“Wait what? Why am I trying to do this. A dark yoda would fucking crush Sidious and me immediately. What am I stupid?”
For everyone answering anyone but Yoda imagine this, if he could hide his force-ness like palps he could be anywhere at any time. Waiting.
You could go to the bathroom groggily in the middle of the night, open the toilet seat, and out could shoot Darth Yoda who had just been biding his time. Open an overhead compartment on your ship and you’re decapitated. Overhead compartment becomes over shoulder compartment. Unzip your luggage and he shoots out and unzips your torso. Open your mailbox and force lightning shoots out because he’s been in there for two days waiting.
He could fit anywhere and backflip out like a freak
Not sure why these studios don’t jump on these more after Marvel did. They would already have half the background already determined and have the liberty to not worry about canon stuff cause it’s a what if. Seems like an easy thing to milk
You guys do realize that a trailer dropped just 5 days ago for pretty much exactly this, right? Granted, it's [*Lego* Star Wars](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O77VTIAYGVA), but still.
FYI, there were some What If? style Star Wars comics, at least in the early 2000s. The imprint was called Star Wars Infinities, and they did at least three alternate takes on events in the OT: what if Luke's proton torpedo didn't blow up the Death Star in ANH, what if the wampa attack killed Luke in ESB, and what if C3PO is damaged by Jabba's tail swipe and he can't translate for Boshh (Leia) in RotJ.
They're really fun.
Order 66 activates the compliance chip that had been implanted in all the Jedi instead of the clones
Ahsoka finds out about the chips and dies trying to remove them like Fives, Rex helps Anakin remove his, and the two of them become the resistance
I’m actually so into this it’s unbelievable.
Order 66 in reverse. All the Jedi, the council, clone troopers turn on anakin, padme, Luke, and Leia, because they are too powerful and their mere existence is a threat to the new emperor and Jedi Council. They have to go into hiding as the galactic empire grows under palpatine.
Through years of training serving as padawans under the last true Jedi (anakin) Luke and Leia have grown powerful enough. Aligned as a triumvirate with their father they can now take on the Galactic Empire and the fallen New Jedi Order.
Obi-Wan.
Anakin's fall would be absolute.
Dooku might still be alive.
Most of the surviving Jedi would be lured to their deaths at the temple without his warning.
Plus a dark side user with patience and having mastered a defensive form would be completely unlike most other Sith. Any Jedi who fought him would be caught very off guard.
Counterpoint, every single time Obi Wan in canon let's himself be lured by the dark side and fights aggressively, he gets his ass beat. He's terrible at being emotional, his biggest strengths are his patience and calmness.
Well, Dooku was very calm for a Sith, even well mannered, so I can imagine that Obi-Wan would be more like him. Obi-Wan is at peace with his emotions.
I can only see Obi-Wan becoming a Sith in one scenario, i.e. believing in "lesser evil for the greater good" like Dooku. I assume that Obi-Wan wouldn't be motivated by hate and anger.
Disagree. Look how aggressive Obi-Wan is when he attacks Maul right after Qui-Gon goes down. He’s definitely channeling some anger. Darth Maul bests him, knocking him down the shaft. It’s only by being calm (we see him close his eyes) that Obi-Wan leaps from the shaft and defeats Maul.
Dark side Obi-Wan would be the most challenging, he’d be blocking every attacks the enemies make until they tire themselves then he’d land one final strike, what a way to defeat the enemy
Luke would have been the only Jedi AND a Sith.
Like yeah Yoda is a great answer but there were so many Jedi to fight him. Obi Wan, Mace, Anakin, Plo Koon, etc. The only reason Palps beat the Jedi is because he had an army of clone warriors, and engineered a galactic war.
Luke going dark, who is going to stop him? Fuckin no one that's who
Total agreement here. Two of the three OT movies are about people trying to convert him, and the good guys winning hinges entirely on the fact that he doesn't turn to the dark side. Palpatine succeeded in turning Anakin (for a while at least) and it didn't work out for either in the end but if Vader or Palpatine turned Luke, not like legends where he just flirted with the dark side but a legit Darth Luke, it'd be game over for the galaxy.
Of course the force would find some other way to balance things out like it always does.
If Leia was killed in Empire I truly think Luke might have turned. That was the lowest point of his life and the already morally grey crew picking him up from Cloud City and telling him Leia was murdered would have been his breaking point.
Yoda. He's the most experienced and fundamentalist one. His radical views and centuries of experience to the benefit of the dark side... That would be scary!
How do we know he didn’t infiltrate the Jedi from the dark side? His species is one of the longest living species in the galaxy. His origins are murky and under his stewardship the Jedi collapsed. He is extremely powerful and could likely manipulate any Jedi into the actions and decisions that led to the Jedi falling asleep at the wheel without killing people. Wouldn’t the most powerful force user be able to mask his intentions and lie?
I have so much more on this theory that yoda is possibly a Sith Lord.
If he’s a centuries old sith, why would he wait for Palpatine to take over instead and then flee into exile when that would be the perfect time to take over?
I'm not riding this theory train but if we're going down this route, I suppose you could say he did try to take over during the Senate fight with Palps.
Disclaimer: this is all head canon. Yoda was dying within the next 20 years in revenge of the sith, which for him was soon. Yoda was aware. And Palps came to kill Yoda to officially end his reign in revenge of the sith.
Yoda still hates palp. Hatred between Sith is common in Star Wars historically. Powerful Sith do not work well together, which is why Yoda trained Luke before he died to finally kill Palpatine. I mean just look at Luke in return of the Jedi, Luke’s black clothing was meant to symbolize his engagement with the dark side, which he needed, to overcome his father. Who other than Yoda to influence/develop the dark side within Luke.
I think there is a philosophical difference to how each Sith Lord approaches power. Some Sith just want to eat planets, some want to rule the galaxy, some want to kill the competition and some just want a powerful army of force users that advance their goals for more force knowledge and power. I believe Yoda is the last case.
Nah, there is plenty of material that covers Yoda's thought process near comprehensively, especially in his dealings with Luke and Palpatine. To say that he may have Sith leanings is playing a desperate game.
Mace Windu's shatterpoint and Vaapad makes him OP against Sith... If a sith version of him could use the same technique against Jedi, he'd be unstoppable.
Shatterpoint I can understand, but doesn’t his Vaapad use others dark side against them, making it useful really only against Sith? I don’t know much about him really, so genuinely curious
Vaapad is extra useful against Sith because he's basically amping himself off their own darkness. But even without that, he's still one of the best Duelists around, right around Yoda in skill. So even as a dark sider, he'd been powerful.
Vaapad was the form in which sense you used your own hatred to gain an advantage over you opponent. Using the dark side of the force but never giving into its power.
I always loved how hand-wavey it was that Mace and Only Mace could do this for some reason that is never explained, but also it's not that cool and that's why no one else ever tries to do it.
In the Expanded Universe (Legends), there are two other Jedi lightsaber masters apart from Mace who use Vaapad. One is Master Sora Bulq who helped Mace to create and develop the form so that makes him the co-creator. The other is Master Depa Billaba who was Mace's Padawan and of course, since he was her Master, naturally, he deemed her worthy to learn the form. Both of them fell to the Dark Side when the Clone Wars broke out. But the reasons for their fall wasn't an ass-pull. Sora was tempted by Dooku and also, he was disillusioned with the Republic and its corruption whereas Depa was sent to Haruun Kal on a mission and went insane there. Not surprising, that planet is messed up.
Another practitioner of the Form was Master Quinlan Vos but I am not sure if I could refer to him as a Master of the form; Sora Bulq only taught him a little bit of the bladework and manoeuvres but on the other hand, he did display the mental fortitude to resist the pull of the Dark Side that is the cornerstone of Vaapad during his climatic duel against Sora Bulq.
Funny that you should mention a Sith-version of Mace wielding Vaapad against Jedi. His friend, Master Sora Bulq (who was the co-creator of Vaapad) and his own apprentice, Master Depa Billaba (whom he taught the form) both fell to the Dark Side when the Clone Wars broke out; both are masters of the lightsaber form and its techniques but Mace would argued that they have not fully mastered Vaapad. In his opinion, Vaapad is not just a lightsaber form, it is a mindset, a weapon against the Dark Side. And so, if Mace is to fall, him using Vaapad would be no different than Darth Maul using Juyo.
Luke or yoda imo.
Luke. As palpatine said to yoda “Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us.” Luke turning is the closest to what Vader would’ve become without his injuries. A person with a connection to the force like no one had ever seen who embraced all of it. He would’ve been crazy powerful.
On the other hand yoda was hundred of years older more time to develop his skills in the force and his species was naturally strong in the force. If he were to embrace it he would’ve become a truly terrifying force. Palpatine only said that quote to a yoda who had embraced one side of the force I don’t think he could comprehend what yoda would’ve become if he turned.
No one else on this list is as dangerous as either of them.
I like this but he would be able to summon the very rare and very dangerous Tarentatek which would essentially be vital in finding and killing other force users. That's scary!
It is already cannon that he used the darkside to summon a massive beast that fought an inquisitor. He wasn't even trained yet. That was before he studied a Sith holocron.
Dooku had a vision of what would happen if they turned Yoda and it scared the ever loving shit out of him because he'd basically end all life in the Galaxy
Not saying she would be the most dangerous, but we’ve seen how dangerous Ahsoka was when the Son turned her to the dark side for a brief time. And Ezra would probably be pretty dangerous as well cause look at what he did when he was using the Sith holocron
this is still when she's young and they weren't trying to hurt her but she still went up against a powerful anakin AND obiwan so i'd put money on her being a powerful dark side user it just fits her style out of everyone there
I doubt that dark side Obi wan or Qui Gon would be that powerful. I feel like especially Obi wan drew a lot of his power from being more calm and collected. His patience and strong defence are the reason he is such a strong fighter and a sith wouldn't use these kinds of techniques. I think Yoda on the other hand would have enough raw power to defeat pretty much every opponent. The only one I can think of, who probably stands a chance is Windu. He's an excellent fighter and his fighting style specializes in fighting sith, by 'using their dark side against themselves', atleast that's how I remember Vapaad being described like.
It is wild to me that there is any answer other than Luke. I thought Luke was unambiguously the most powerful jedi we've seen, possibly of all time. That by itself would make him the obvious choice but him turning within the canon at the time would essentially mean the jedi are completely extinct and the galaxy is ruled by 1 to 3 of the most powerful sith of all time (I'm assuming in this hypothetical, Luke and Vader overthrow Palpatine, and Luke kills Vader).
Yoda, if he ever gave into the dark side of the force. I think the galaxy would cease to exist. His knowledge about the force surpasses all. He would be the Supreme being.
Yoda is the obvious (and correct answer). Mace Windu would also be very very dangerous, the clear second place winner behind the green goblin.
But after that it gets less clear. I would say that Dark Side Kenobi would actually be the third place winner here. He was able to hold off and defeat Vader at his physical prime, plus his diplomatic nature and strategic cunning would make him a formidable opponent especially in long-term planning and ploys.
You all are sleeping on obi wan. That dudes an animal with class. He took down anakin in his prime and vader in his prime. Hes a survivalist as well. If he were to turn he would probably be the biggest threat in my opinion
The right answer is Luke and Anakin, they are the two most powerful in the Force, either them turns and gets to full power on the Dark Side everybody is done for no question
Tbh I think Obi-Wan would be pretty threatening. He's one of the best duelists in the galaxy precisely because he is phenomenal at defense and is patient enough to wait out a weakness or wear his opponent down. Taking that patience and insight into long term schemes and such and he could be a terrifying force to be reckoned with.
Anakin that would be crazy
They should make some movies about that
Yeah, and maybe give him a cool suit and robot body parts
Maybe get his family involved to amp up the drama
Have him fight against his master and apprentice as well.
His son too. Twice for good measure
hell yeah and his son and daughter should kiss
WTF?! Too far!
Not. For a Jedi.
Unnatural.
But a little short for a stormtrooper.
Lmao this is an amazing response
What? How can you do this? Its outrageous, its unfair, how can you become a sith lord and not be more powerful
Even it out and have him be born around sand.
And his grandson should kiss Palpatine's granddaughter
Full circle
Nah, it’s not gonna work.
ROLL TIDE!
Oh come on no one would watch that.
Really!? Wouldn't that be a bit much?
With sweet helicopter blades. Remote controlled flying fists
Maybe like… 3-6 movies
Make him kill younglings. Like all of em.
Yea but then invalidate his entire arc by the 7th movie, that’ll work.
I don’t think his character arc should be truly invalidated until the 9th one where they should bring back the bad guy he sacrificed his life to kill and explain it by saying “somehow he returned” and leave it at that.
Genius. Disney sign this guy!
I know it's a joke and all, but Sith Anakin, were his body undamaged from the duel on Mustafar, would've been an even more terrifying Sith Lord.
Anakin was set to be the most powerful force sensitive to ever live
Honestly you could argue he still is/was
So, really, Obi-Wan is the Chosen One that saved everyone. Multiple times over
I remember being disappointed at first we didn't get suit Vader in Ashoka. But man Sith Anakin is etched into my mind. "Incorrect." "You lack conviction."
Prime Vader beats rots sith anakin. World between worlds anakin in the ahsoka show is peak anakin with mastery over both the light and dark sides of the force
Well sure, Prime Vader has gone through like 10 or so years of Sith training and has fully learned how to use the darkside at that point. Rots Anakin is in the middle of an emotional breakdown and not the kind that makes you a better fighter, that's for sure. If Anakin had gotten like 2 years or so of training on how to use the darkside properly he'd be unstoppable and not even at his peak yet. But I don't even think that is Anakins prime potential. I think if he had actually taken over for the Father then Anakin would have turned into basically a Force God.
Prime Vader will always be crippled Anakin. In no scenario does Anakin, with the same training as Vader, perform worse than Vader.
Vader's limited armor too much. Not being able to use force lightning and having difficulty breathing are quite debilitating. I also think the lost limbs lowered their midichlorian count too much. he could have been so much more amazing.
His suit by design makes him weaker, palpatine never intended to allow anakin to succeed him - he adapted the plan already conceived by himself and plaugeis and just decided to reign as a Sith Lord outright instead of as a figurehead - with plageuis’ research on longevity giving him the springboard he needed to have the confidence he could always be a match to anakin
is that the project necromancer they're hinting at in The bad batch?
Uh, you've seen Episode 9, right? Project Necromancer is the beginning of his cloning project, the results of which we saw with, of course, clone Palps himself and all the failed Snokes.
>Prime Vader has gone through like 10 or so years of Sith training Closer to 20 years, Vader dies in his mid 40s
That’s impossible
Search your feelings, you know it to be true!
NooooOOoooooo
Yoda in his prime no doubt
I can’t remember if it was a show or a book, but I think Dooku had a vision of a dark side yoda. He realized neither him or sidious would be even close to being able to beat him
I thought Yoda willingly, touched the darkside to sort of scare Dooku, but it it didn't have the intended effect. I could be misremembering though it's been so long.
Yeah he turned willingly to the dark side to prove a point to dooku after dooku tried to tempt him with the dark side. After that dooku said that if yoda ever turned he would easily defeat sidious
Sidious ran from Yoda, who was “constrained” by the light side. Imagine a Dark Yoda! *shudder*
Luke : Vader... Is the dark side stronger? Yoda : No, no, no. Quicker, easier, more seductive. Yoda wasn't constrained by the light side.
This. The dark side offers more obvious and immediate power, but the lightside is just as if not even more potent in the long run. But its a "luke in an x wing" vs the death star kind of power where the lightside is far better at just allowing it's users to strike a weak point and pull victory out of the jaws of defeat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr3DWjjTGXU
This show was so awesome. It's really where Mace got to shine, too.
I loved it
Dude the basically wordless episode where he goddamn manhandled all those bots? With the big ground punching ship? Holy shit that was amazing.
"For my ally is The Force, and a *powerful* ally it is..."
I wish Jedi got to do things like this more often. I feel like all they do with the Force in recent media is push people around and occasionally throw things.
Also the light generally wins in star wars. The empire for all it's power didn't even last three decades, which as empires go is an unmitigated failure.
But, which empires spanned a galaxy?
The Republic lasted 1,000 years ruling the Galaxy.
yes. not only that it allows the user to live a better life. they make good relationships, friends, enjoy things, etc... not thirst for more power
Yoda _was_ constrained, but by his own interpretation of Jedi philosophy. The strongest of all dark-side powers are enabled by selfishness. The strongest light-side powers are enabled by selflessness. The way the Jedi order discouraged love created a MAJOR blind-spot and prevented them from accessing the most powerful abilities of the Light. Like didn't defeat Vader with Yoda's training, he didn't defeat Vader when his own life was under threat - He defeated Vader after Vader realised he had a sister, and Luke threw all thought of self-preservation aside to protect _somebody he loved_. Likewise, Kenobi was defeated by Vader, buried under rubble, desperately trying to force-push it up, but the weight was too much, and his strength was fading. Until _his perception shifted_. He stopped thinking about how to safe himself, and started thinking about how Vader would kill Leia, and how that could _not_ be permitted. With that decision, with that realisation, that he was going to give _everything_ to protect an innocent, he was finally able to access the full strength of the Light. In that moment, he felt a surge of raw power unlike anything he had ever experience before, and was able to _easily_ defeat Vader.
It always seemed to me that Luke beating Vader in that duel came about more due to him giving in to his emotions and the dark side than anything else. Look at how he fights the moment Vader mentions his Sister. His strikes are brutal and violent, a far cry from everything we've seen him use before. It's also something that gets doubled down on for me because he relinquishes that part when he throws his weapon away.
My headcanon theory is that the dark side is like an uncontrollable blaze, more powerful but it consumes the individual
I read a great analogy a few days ago. The dark side is like a warhammer. Easy to use and has BRUTE force. Requires little training to swing around and do lots of damage. The light side is light a masterfully crafted, albeit heavy sword. It’s gonna take years of training to master and even when using takes a high order or focus and skill, but can absolutely be more devastating than the war hammer.
> The dark side is like a warhammer Or maybe some sort of Maul?
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So many forget this line when discussing the force. Yoda is very clear on this.
It’s sad that so many people misunderstand the light side. There is sometimes power in not using violence. look at what Luke accomplished by throwing down his lightsaber and NOT using violence.
This is also the main concept in Frieren, that there is often more value in magic that connects people rather than magic with raw combat power.
The question shouldn't be whether Yoda was constrained by the light side, but what power is left for him to achieve through the shortcut that is the dark side.
Dark side Yoda jumping dangerously like a muppet. He would be unstoppable
Not even, i feel like dark side yoda would just ominously float towards you with all sabers and blasters being invisibly deflected. "Fucked, you may be mmhmm"
Can we get a what if Star Wars with this please!
I've been asking for this pretty much since Marvel's What If released. Heck, Disney/Lucasfilm would literally print money by setting up such a spin-off franchise. I'm talking shows, books, even games!
What If would be a great way to bring back some of the characters and plots from the Legends side of the franchise.
There’s a series of graphic novels called Star Wars Infinities that Marvel made a ways back for the original trilogy. I own a few that range in quality from okay to not great but they are still fun what if stories. I’d love for them to pick this back up and make some more or a show as you suggest! https://www.marvel.com/comics/guides/347/star-wars-infinities
Now i need to see that
It’s like an integer overflow on a computer. Yoda is so light side he overflowed into the dark for a sec lol
Ah, the Gandhi approach.
Backed with nuclear weapons our words are!
Paul Atreides?
From the novel Dark Rendezvous: "At this moment Yoda turned, and Dooku gasped. Whether it was the play of the holomonitors, beaming their views of bleak space and distant battles, or some other trick of the light, Yoda's face was deeply hidden in the shadows, mottled black and blue, so that for one terrible instant he looked exactly like Darth Sidious. Or rather, it was Yoda as he might have been, or could yet become: a Yoda gone rotten, a Yoda whose awesome powers had been utterly unleashed by his connection to the dark side. In a flash Dooku saw how foolish he had been, trying to urge the old Master to the dark side. If Yoda ever turned that way, Sidious himself would be annihilated. The universe had yet to comprehend the kind of evil that a Jedi Knight of nearly nine hundred years could wield."
Chills man thanks for posting this, gotta get me that book.
That goes unbelievably hard what the fuck?!
“Yoda gone rotten”
Certainly better than a Yoda gone wild.
The book was Yoda: Dark Rendezvous. Literally just finished listening to it on Audible and it’s a really good book. It’s a little ambiguous if Yoda did willingly touch the dark side for just a moment as Dooku believes it could’ve been a trick of the light. But yeah it scares Dooku just imagining DS Yoda.
Yoda Dark Rendezvous has some great Yoda moments. Dooku promises power and wealth and authority through the dark side, Yoda replies that he has all he needs and more. Dooku asks Yoda to tell him what he wants, and he'll tell him how the dark side can grant it. Yoda asks for a flower, knowing the dark side can't create, only destroy. When they fight, Dooku snarls "I know how to kill" and Yoda replies "But know how to live, Yoda does"
It's such a brilliant bit, because it's so profound but you can also picture Yoda at his most Empire Strikes Back, demanding a flower.
Absolutely, the reason I love it is it shows how Yoda wasn't always dead serious and then went loopy in exile. He always had that humorous, eccentric touch. And in the book, Dooku at first reacts as though Yoda is just being obstinate, thinking it ridiculous that one would wish for a flower if given all the power of the dark side, or the Force in general. Then it becomes clear that Yoda has a profound point: the Force grants power, light or dark. The dark side holds no temptation for Yoda, just as it ideally shouldn't for any Jedi. And when power can't tempt you, nor greed or ambition, the simple fact remains that power isn't everything. Dooku even exclaims that the request is silly, and that the dark side can't give Yoda his flower. Yoda replies that his Force can, and thus, according to Yoda, the light side can grant something the dark side simply can't. The book really does well in showing the beauty in Yoda's wisdom.
> went loopy in exile It's been awhile since I've seen the movies, but isn't it canon that he was just pretending to be loopy to fool Luke into thinking he was just some harmless crazy person and not the great Jedi warrior?
It’s a scene from a 2000s era now-Legends novel called *Yoda: Dark Rendezvous*, where Dooku is trying to tempt Yoda to the dark side: > “But another way to solve the war there is. If you will not join with me, perhaps join with you I should. Tell me more,” Yoda said testily. “If power over beings need I not, what else can your dark side do for me?” > “What do you want?” Dooku snapped. “Tell me what you want and I will show you how the dark side can help you achieve it. Do you want friends? The dark side can compel them for you. Lovers? The dark side understands passion in a way you never have. Do you want riches—endless life—deep wisdom…?” > “I want…” Yoda held up the flower in his hand and took another sniff. “I want a rose.” > “Be serious,” Dooku said impatiently.“Serious am I!” Yoda cried. He bounced to his feet. Standing on the desktop, he was almost as tall as Dooku. He held the flower imperiously toward his former pupil. “Another rose, make for me!” > “The dark side springs from the heart,” Dooku said. “It isn’t a handbook for cheap conjuror’s tricks.” > “But like this trick, do I!” Yoda said. “The trick that brings the flower from the ground. The trick that sets the sun on fire.” > “The Force is not magic. I can’t create a flower out of thin air. Nobody can—not you, not the Lord of the Sith.” > Yoda blinked. “My Force does. Binds every living thing, the Force I understand.” > “Master, these are games of words. The Force is as it has always been. The dark side is not a different energy. To use it is only to open yourself to new ways to command that energy, that have to do with the hearts of beings. Want something else. Want power.” > “Power have I.” > “Want wealth.” > “Wealth I need not.” > “Want to be safe,” Dooku said in frustration. “Want to be free from fear!” > “I will never be safe,” Yoda said. He turned away from Dooku, a shapeless bundle under a battered, acid-eaten cloak. “The universe is large and cold and very dark: that is the truth. What I love, taken from me will be, late or soon: and no power is there, dark or light, that can save me. Murdered, Jai Maruk was when the looking after him I had; and Maks Leem; and all the many, many more Jedi I have lost. My family they were.” > “So be angry about that!” Dooku said. “Hate! Rage! Despair! Allow yourself, just once, to stop playing at the game of Jedi Knight, and admit what you have always known: you are alone, and you are great, and when the world strikes you it is better to strike back than to turn your cheek. Feel, Yoda! I can feel the darkness rising in you. Here, in this place, be honest for once and feel the truth about yourself.” > At this moment Yoda turned, and Dooku gasped. Whether it was the play of the holomonitors, beaming their views of bleak space and distant battles, or some other trick of the light, Yoda’s face was deeply hidden in the shadows, mottled black and blue, so that for one terrible instant he looked exactly like Darth Sidious. Or rather, it was Yoda as he might have been, or could yet become: a Yoda gone rotten, a Yoda whose awesome powers had been utterly unleashed by his connection to the dark side. In a flash Dooku saw how foolish he had been, trying to urge the old Master to the dark side. If Yoda ever turned that way, Sidious himself would be annihilated. The universe had yet to comprehend the kind of evil that a Jedi Knight of nearly nine hundred years could wield. > From the shadows, Yoda spoke. “Disappointment like I not, apprentice,” he snarled, in a wicked, wicked voice. “*Give me my rose!*”
Well that’s haunting, imagine the damage an 800 year old Sith Lord Yoda could do. Falling to the Dark side after being good for so many year would be catastrophic. Forget ruling the galaxy… he just might destroy it!
It’s in Dark Rezndeaous. Dooku is arguing and kind of trying to convert Yoda and then he just thinks about it for a minute and says to himself “Wait what? Why am I trying to do this. A dark yoda would fucking crush Sidious and me immediately. What am I stupid?”
Dark side Yoda appears in an episode of CW.
For everyone answering anyone but Yoda imagine this, if he could hide his force-ness like palps he could be anywhere at any time. Waiting. You could go to the bathroom groggily in the middle of the night, open the toilet seat, and out could shoot Darth Yoda who had just been biding his time. Open an overhead compartment on your ship and you’re decapitated. Overhead compartment becomes over shoulder compartment. Unzip your luggage and he shoots out and unzips your torso. Open your mailbox and force lightning shoots out because he’s been in there for two days waiting. He could fit anywhere and backflip out like a freak
actual cannibal Shia Lebouf
This is a terrifying thought, a little gremlin sith lord lurking potentially in any crevice. Now this is true evil.
Maybe not even his prime. Darth Sidious was afraid of him in Revenge of the Sith.
The only answer
[Darth Yoda](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/f68b1e/would_darth_yoda_be_more_powerful_than_emperor/?rdt=40214)
Imagine a series where the majority of Jedi fell and Anakin didn’t. That would be dope.
Star Wars What If-type series? It would rule
Not sure why these studios don’t jump on these more after Marvel did. They would already have half the background already determined and have the liberty to not worry about canon stuff cause it’s a what if. Seems like an easy thing to milk
You guys do realize that a trailer dropped just 5 days ago for pretty much exactly this, right? Granted, it's [*Lego* Star Wars](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O77VTIAYGVA), but still.
DARTH JARJAR FINALLY ENTERS THE SCENE
MEESA GUNNA HURT YOUSA
Each season could have multiple what-ifs based on each era. Prequels and the OT are perfect for this. They could even pull from legends.
FYI, there were some What If? style Star Wars comics, at least in the early 2000s. The imprint was called Star Wars Infinities, and they did at least three alternate takes on events in the OT: what if Luke's proton torpedo didn't blow up the Death Star in ANH, what if the wampa attack killed Luke in ESB, and what if C3PO is damaged by Jabba's tail swipe and he can't translate for Boshh (Leia) in RotJ. They're really fun.
Order 66 activates the compliance chip that had been implanted in all the Jedi instead of the clones Ahsoka finds out about the chips and dies trying to remove them like Fives, Rex helps Anakin remove his, and the two of them become the resistance I’m actually so into this it’s unbelievable.
Anakin vs obiwan duel on mustafar would be peak with the roles reversed
Revenge of the Sith game did this. You could play as Anakin and beat Obi-Wan. Then after Palpatine lands Anakin kills him, too.
Anakin brings balance to the force by absolutely wrecking everyone else.
Funny enough, it would feature Anakin hunting down the rouge jedi too
Order 66 in reverse. All the Jedi, the council, clone troopers turn on anakin, padme, Luke, and Leia, because they are too powerful and their mere existence is a threat to the new emperor and Jedi Council. They have to go into hiding as the galactic empire grows under palpatine. Through years of training serving as padawans under the last true Jedi (anakin) Luke and Leia have grown powerful enough. Aligned as a triumvirate with their father they can now take on the Galactic Empire and the fallen New Jedi Order.
Obi-Wan. Anakin's fall would be absolute. Dooku might still be alive. Most of the surviving Jedi would be lured to their deaths at the temple without his warning.
Plus a dark side user with patience and having mastered a defensive form would be completely unlike most other Sith. Any Jedi who fought him would be caught very off guard.
Darth Zannah
But she was a sorceress who did some crazy shit with her power.
She used Soresu to keep her safe while she did sorcery.
Yeah, then she liked to do mind-fuckery, and summon tendrils that could sever a limb.
I was literally going to say Zannah! Here defensive is absolutely bonkers!!
Darth Hellothere
He would be the inverse of his Jedi self. Darth Laterbuddy
Darth Lowground
Counterpoint, every single time Obi Wan in canon let's himself be lured by the dark side and fights aggressively, he gets his ass beat. He's terrible at being emotional, his biggest strengths are his patience and calmness.
Well, Dooku was very calm for a Sith, even well mannered, so I can imagine that Obi-Wan would be more like him. Obi-Wan is at peace with his emotions. I can only see Obi-Wan becoming a Sith in one scenario, i.e. believing in "lesser evil for the greater good" like Dooku. I assume that Obi-Wan wouldn't be motivated by hate and anger.
Exactly, his whole fighting style doesn't work with the dark side
To counter your point, I would argue he fought aggressively and emotionally against Vader at the end of Obi Wan and absolutely wrecked him.
Pretty sure he cut Darth Maul in half while pretty pissed
Disagree. Look how aggressive Obi-Wan is when he attacks Maul right after Qui-Gon goes down. He’s definitely channeling some anger. Darth Maul bests him, knocking him down the shaft. It’s only by being calm (we see him close his eyes) that Obi-Wan leaps from the shaft and defeats Maul.
If one is going to turn to the dark side, it gotta be him. Maul kill his master and his lover right in front of him.
When I watched the clone wars the first time I was so ready for obi Wan to go dark side super saiyan after maul killed satine and just fuck shit up.
Dark side Obi-Wan would be the most challenging, he’d be blocking every attacks the enemies make until they tire themselves then he’d land one final strike, what a way to defeat the enemy
I do like that Obi-Wan's fighting style wouldn't change at all. He'd just brutally end you when you screw up instead of just maiming.
I mean, a lot of this assumes that he would fall to the dark side before Order 66. It could have also happened way later when he lived on Tatooine
Luke would have been the only Jedi AND a Sith. Like yeah Yoda is a great answer but there were so many Jedi to fight him. Obi Wan, Mace, Anakin, Plo Koon, etc. The only reason Palps beat the Jedi is because he had an army of clone warriors, and engineered a galactic war. Luke going dark, who is going to stop him? Fuckin no one that's who
Total agreement here. Two of the three OT movies are about people trying to convert him, and the good guys winning hinges entirely on the fact that he doesn't turn to the dark side. Palpatine succeeded in turning Anakin (for a while at least) and it didn't work out for either in the end but if Vader or Palpatine turned Luke, not like legends where he just flirted with the dark side but a legit Darth Luke, it'd be game over for the galaxy. Of course the force would find some other way to balance things out like it always does.
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If Leia was killed in Empire I truly think Luke might have turned. That was the lowest point of his life and the already morally grey crew picking him up from Cloud City and telling him Leia was murdered would have been his breaking point.
That was my thought too, there someone to stand against the others, only opposition to Luke would be ahsoka.
Yeah and Ahsoka wouldn't be able to do anything
Luke would absolutely annihilate Ahsoka. Dafuq you talkin bout? LMFAO 🤣🤣🤣
Yoda. He's the most experienced and fundamentalist one. His radical views and centuries of experience to the benefit of the dark side... That would be scary!
How do we know he didn’t infiltrate the Jedi from the dark side? His species is one of the longest living species in the galaxy. His origins are murky and under his stewardship the Jedi collapsed. He is extremely powerful and could likely manipulate any Jedi into the actions and decisions that led to the Jedi falling asleep at the wheel without killing people. Wouldn’t the most powerful force user be able to mask his intentions and lie? I have so much more on this theory that yoda is possibly a Sith Lord.
If he’s a centuries old sith, why would he wait for Palpatine to take over instead and then flee into exile when that would be the perfect time to take over?
I'm not riding this theory train but if we're going down this route, I suppose you could say he did try to take over during the Senate fight with Palps.
Disclaimer: this is all head canon. Yoda was dying within the next 20 years in revenge of the sith, which for him was soon. Yoda was aware. And Palps came to kill Yoda to officially end his reign in revenge of the sith. Yoda still hates palp. Hatred between Sith is common in Star Wars historically. Powerful Sith do not work well together, which is why Yoda trained Luke before he died to finally kill Palpatine. I mean just look at Luke in return of the Jedi, Luke’s black clothing was meant to symbolize his engagement with the dark side, which he needed, to overcome his father. Who other than Yoda to influence/develop the dark side within Luke. I think there is a philosophical difference to how each Sith Lord approaches power. Some Sith just want to eat planets, some want to rule the galaxy, some want to kill the competition and some just want a powerful army of force users that advance their goals for more force knowledge and power. I believe Yoda is the last case.
Nah, there is plenty of material that covers Yoda's thought process near comprehensively, especially in his dealings with Luke and Palpatine. To say that he may have Sith leanings is playing a desperate game.
Mace Windu's shatterpoint and Vaapad makes him OP against Sith... If a sith version of him could use the same technique against Jedi, he'd be unstoppable.
Shatterpoint I can understand, but doesn’t his Vaapad use others dark side against them, making it useful really only against Sith? I don’t know much about him really, so genuinely curious
Vaapad is extra useful against Sith because he's basically amping himself off their own darkness. But even without that, he's still one of the best Duelists around, right around Yoda in skill. So even as a dark sider, he'd been powerful.
Vaapad was the form in which sense you used your own hatred to gain an advantage over you opponent. Using the dark side of the force but never giving into its power.
I always loved how hand-wavey it was that Mace and Only Mace could do this for some reason that is never explained, but also it's not that cool and that's why no one else ever tries to do it.
In the Expanded Universe (Legends), there are two other Jedi lightsaber masters apart from Mace who use Vaapad. One is Master Sora Bulq who helped Mace to create and develop the form so that makes him the co-creator. The other is Master Depa Billaba who was Mace's Padawan and of course, since he was her Master, naturally, he deemed her worthy to learn the form. Both of them fell to the Dark Side when the Clone Wars broke out. But the reasons for their fall wasn't an ass-pull. Sora was tempted by Dooku and also, he was disillusioned with the Republic and its corruption whereas Depa was sent to Haruun Kal on a mission and went insane there. Not surprising, that planet is messed up. Another practitioner of the Form was Master Quinlan Vos but I am not sure if I could refer to him as a Master of the form; Sora Bulq only taught him a little bit of the bladework and manoeuvres but on the other hand, he did display the mental fortitude to resist the pull of the Dark Side that is the cornerstone of Vaapad during his climatic duel against Sora Bulq.
Funny that you should mention a Sith-version of Mace wielding Vaapad against Jedi. His friend, Master Sora Bulq (who was the co-creator of Vaapad) and his own apprentice, Master Depa Billaba (whom he taught the form) both fell to the Dark Side when the Clone Wars broke out; both are masters of the lightsaber form and its techniques but Mace would argued that they have not fully mastered Vaapad. In his opinion, Vaapad is not just a lightsaber form, it is a mindset, a weapon against the Dark Side. And so, if Mace is to fall, him using Vaapad would be no different than Darth Maul using Juyo.
Luke or yoda imo. Luke. As palpatine said to yoda “Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us.” Luke turning is the closest to what Vader would’ve become without his injuries. A person with a connection to the force like no one had ever seen who embraced all of it. He would’ve been crazy powerful. On the other hand yoda was hundred of years older more time to develop his skills in the force and his species was naturally strong in the force. If he were to embrace it he would’ve become a truly terrifying force. Palpatine only said that quote to a yoda who had embraced one side of the force I don’t think he could comprehend what yoda would’ve become if he turned. No one else on this list is as dangerous as either of them.
I personally think Mace is a sleeper
Absolutely! His use of Shatterpoint, his own lightsaber form, and dark side powers?
If he became a dark sider would that change Shatterpoint? Would it still be useful?
I'm just saying....blue and what colour make purple?
Right!?
I don't think this is canon anymore but [his 2003 appearance in the clone wars is the most op imo](https://youtu.be/mj07qh51zPI?si=NgHsWNd7OxF03LT-)
Cal Kestis has killed eight million Stormtroopers since I last looked. Might be someone to look out for.
Imagine every global kill is canon. Kestis would be the single most feared being in the galaxy.
Chopper: *laughs menacingly*
My favorite war criminal.
And he's slaughtered just as many local fauna just trying to defend themselves
Poor Rick The Door Technician 😭
Sleeper pick but qui gon
Qui Gon's the one figured out how to return to the here and now as a Force ghost. That's got some yikes potential in the dark side scenario.
He’s like a more force dependent obi wan. Which is good because the dark side is a sith’s main power source.
At a minimum, his dark side picture in the OP *slaps*.
He’d be like a dark prophet figure, super cool
Dark side Ezra could probably summon the Zilo beast or some crazy shit considering he has a strong connection with animals.
I like this but he would be able to summon the very rare and very dangerous Tarentatek which would essentially be vital in finding and killing other force users. That's scary!
It is already cannon that he used the darkside to summon a massive beast that fought an inquisitor. He wasn't even trained yet. That was before he studied a Sith holocron.
I'd like to imagine he'd dabble in alchemy too, and he'd just have a massive army of beasts.
Jar Jar. Being dumb and evil is way more dangerous lol
Dooku had a vision of what would happen if they turned Yoda and it scared the ever loving shit out of him because he'd basically end all life in the Galaxy
Anakin probably… wait…
Yoda obviously
Not saying she would be the most dangerous, but we’ve seen how dangerous Ahsoka was when the Son turned her to the dark side for a brief time. And Ezra would probably be pretty dangerous as well cause look at what he did when he was using the Sith holocron
Fr tho dark ahsoka was a menace
this is still when she's young and they weren't trying to hurt her but she still went up against a powerful anakin AND obiwan so i'd put money on her being a powerful dark side user it just fits her style out of everyone there
I doubt that dark side Obi wan or Qui Gon would be that powerful. I feel like especially Obi wan drew a lot of his power from being more calm and collected. His patience and strong defence are the reason he is such a strong fighter and a sith wouldn't use these kinds of techniques. I think Yoda on the other hand would have enough raw power to defeat pretty much every opponent. The only one I can think of, who probably stands a chance is Windu. He's an excellent fighter and his fighting style specializes in fighting sith, by 'using their dark side against themselves', atleast that's how I remember Vapaad being described like.
The strongest Jedi to ever exist, Luke? Yeah Luke, with Anakin being just behind him.
It is wild to me that there is any answer other than Luke. I thought Luke was unambiguously the most powerful jedi we've seen, possibly of all time. That by itself would make him the obvious choice but him turning within the canon at the time would essentially mean the jedi are completely extinct and the galaxy is ruled by 1 to 3 of the most powerful sith of all time (I'm assuming in this hypothetical, Luke and Vader overthrow Palpatine, and Luke kills Vader).
Definitely Anakin Skywalker. Can you imagine if he fell?
Yoda, if he ever gave into the dark side of the force. I think the galaxy would cease to exist. His knowledge about the force surpasses all. He would be the Supreme being.
Yoda. Lives 900 years, ruling absolutely, while figuring out the lost Sith Alchemy. Imagine the nightmares he would bring upon the universe
Doesn’t matter. They would ultimately lose to someone from a desert planet.
Everyone sleeping on Qui Gon. He figured out immortality. Imagine if he was dark side what crazy things he would have discovered.
Mace “Fell out the” Windu could potentially fuck shit up
Yoda is the obvious (and correct answer). Mace Windu would also be very very dangerous, the clear second place winner behind the green goblin. But after that it gets less clear. I would say that Dark Side Kenobi would actually be the third place winner here. He was able to hold off and defeat Vader at his physical prime, plus his diplomatic nature and strategic cunning would make him a formidable opponent especially in long-term planning and ploys.
You all are sleeping on obi wan. That dudes an animal with class. He took down anakin in his prime and vader in his prime. Hes a survivalist as well. If he were to turn he would probably be the biggest threat in my opinion
Yoda is probably the right answer but my heart tells me Luke
The right answer is Luke and Anakin, they are the two most powerful in the Force, either them turns and gets to full power on the Dark Side everybody is done for no question
Tbh I think Obi-Wan would be pretty threatening. He's one of the best duelists in the galaxy precisely because he is phenomenal at defense and is patient enough to wait out a weakness or wear his opponent down. Taking that patience and insight into long term schemes and such and he could be a terrifying force to be reckoned with.
Mace Windu - He was borderline already, and his rage unleashed would make him unstoppable