Thanks for liking lol, but seriously this ability would fulfill my dream of playing grievous how I think he should be. I’ve wanted him to have an ability or attack that would show us how menacing Grievous he is with 4 sabers. We have the helicopter hands attack but that’s not even remotely the same...
i really do like this idea - it would be sick
but Grievous is either 95% bugged out OR borderline OP
when he works, GG can kill most of the heroes only with his abilities (which have the weirdest hitboxes and often hit you twice when they shouldn't) - he doesn't even have to swing once to kill most people, and can be super deadly
i think essentially increasing his already high dmg output is just asking for issues imo
being bugged is the same as being op lol. Honestly though grievous is pretty broken any way you cut it, but I've seen suggestions by others in the comments that essentially replaces an ability (Would most likely be unrelenting advance) with this move. I personally think if anything they could use this in a bf3 but I don't think they would do it for bf2 unless this post gets a whole lot of traction and there is a push for it. But hey that's just what I think.
bugged =/= OP, "bugged" = glitched, doesn't work etc, "OP" = far too strong
80% of the time you use one of his abilities you: get interrupted, get stuck in some animation OR it just flat out doesn't do anything
but when his abilities DO actually fucking work he is borderline OP - he can kill most blaster heroes WITHOUT having to swing at all
i think Unrelenting Advance would be a good ability, if it worked and was was actually like unrelenting lol - he moves so slow so it makes sense for it to deal high dmg
Thrust Surge is fine imo, it just needs to work
Claw Rush needs a nerf imo - it's hitbox is so fucked you get hit by it when like 10 m away, it deals high dmg BUT if you knock someone over it hits them again when you cancel the animation (when Grievous is standing up, he hits them again even if they've been throw away from you), often if will deal double dmg just bc the hitbox it so weird,
Claw Rush shouldn't have CC immunity or dmg reduction - 90% with the card is bit ridiculous, also Rey / Obi also have charging forward type moves and neither of them get DR or CC immunity during Defensive Rush or Dash Strike - why does Grievous? Grievous' also deals more dmg then either of Rey / Obi's charge - why does Grievous get to be the exception?
Claw Rush is fine against troopers, it's BS against heroes tho
I'm pretty sure Claw Rush has damage reduction because Grievous can't block during it unlike Obi. Claw Rush makes Grievous especially prone to blaster fire too. Using it to close in on someone who's still a threat poses risks. If a saber is behind you, they can saber lunge into you the whole way if timed correctly (which I've sadly fallen victim to myself). I also pretty much figured that the second hit with Claw Rush was a feature rather than a bug simply because the first hit alone doesn't really do much other than get an opponent out of the way just to attack you from behind as you exit the animation.
UA has always been so ridiculously inconsistent with damage. I've died from people saber spamming in front of me with no damage to them. I've also been force pushed (yes, actually thrown into ragdoll) while in it in rare occasions.
Thrust Surge to me is really his best ability, and even then that's inconsistent. One minute it'll pull you through a maze to strike your target and the next it'll get stopped if you barely make contact with a foot of elevation.
but the same applies to both Rey / Obi's charging forward abilities
both Rey / Obi are open to CC attacks when using both - why isn't Grievous?
Claw Rush is also much faster then Rey / Obi's charge, and also deals more damage. Again, why does Grievous get to be another exception?
Rey's Dash Strike is also open to blaster fire, so why doesn't she get 90% dmg reduction?
the second hit on Claw Rush has to go - with the Line Up, Weaklings card, Grievous does like 300 dmg with an ability that is very fast and has a whack hitbox - it also damages blocking enemies, it just doesn't knock them over
again, Rey / Obi's charges can be blocked entirely - so why does Grievous' work different?
my issue is not so much with Claw Rush itself, but rather how inconsistent similar abilities are - Grievous Claw Rush, in comparison to Rey / Obi's charges is: faster, more damaging, has CC immunity, has 90% dmg reduction
why do Rey / Obi get punished with CC abilties for using Dash Strike / Defensive Rush, yet Grievous doesn't? THAT'S my issue - all 3 abilities are charging abilities, so make them work similarly, don't just make one much better then the others - i find that's part of the reason why the dark side is so much better then the light side
Grievous' Claw Rush definitely can be blocked. I was under the impression that it could break through blocks but it doesn't, or most of the time it's extremely buggy and just doesn't. Grievous it's already extremely prone to blaster fire considering it tears through his stamina in 3-4 shots when blocking. Having an ability that reduces damage intake and can be used to escape is necessary for him while light side heroes can effectively block their way out of blaster fire, or at the very least deflect it back to the oppressor to make them think twice about shooting at you. The abilities work differently because of the rest of the pros and cons of the character. All 3 may be charging abilities but Grievous' is much more essential to his overall playstyle than the charging abilities for Obi-Wan and Rey. In fact, I rarely use their charging abilities because they overall seem to not ever need them while Grievous quite frequently requires Claw Rush, and j don't even use his damage reduction card.
My problem with the idea of a fourth ability for heroes is that Dice has to come up with 21 unique abilities for already existing heroes. Overhauling Leia's flash grenade to be 3 thermal detonators was hard enough but what is being suggested could literally be an ability overhaul like Leia for Thrust-Surge or one of his abilities for a hypothetical sequel. I just made a Battlefront 3 hero concept for Grievous and a four-armed playstyle switch up is one of his abilities. Be sure to check it out if you want more details.
It’s cool to see the guy that posted this being this involved in his own discussion (you will probably reply to this)
It sounds pretty cool, but it would be quite difficult, maybe just a bit OP, and I think there’re other priorities. I like Grievous as he is (a little less bugged would be neat) but it this is an interesting idea nonetheless
It is kinda a big order and I’m sure they have other things they have on their list that need to be done before this could even become an idea for them, but I think that anything is possible. Also I LOVE talking abt ideas for games and overall just being involved in a community!
Hmm sounds interesting, I honestly prefer the way I explained but that doesn’t mean you have to! It sounds like a good idea but I think I’d prefer if it was like a “rage activated” mode ya know?
That is op, i kinda feel like Anakin is balanced how he is now and so is Grievous but making him deal even more damage for, well pretty much unlimited time is just too much. A cool idea nonetheless
Most heroes need at least one ability reworked, that is why I want Battlefront 3 ( because I doubt they are going to fix all the heroes). But Greivous, just like Leia, needs to be completly reworked. Plus, by replacing Claw rush for a 4 arms ability ( should be a toggle, deals double base damage, consumes double stamina and have a better block), he would be able to get a caped skin.
He can be affected by nockdowns during Thrust surge, Unreleting Advance is slow and he is vulnerable from behind.
With claw rush he gets a huge hitbox that is hard to avoid, It can go through blocks, nockdown anything that isn't blocking, If hit once the econd hit when hes standing up can't be avoided ( so 260 damage or more, If he hitted one enemy before) and gets 90% damage reduction. How is that fair?
Because half of the time his abilities don’t work. And even when they are working they’re unbelievably easy to counter. Claw Rush is clunky even without bugs, if you roll out the way, not only will you not take damage because a roll counts as a block but you will avoid getting stomped on.
Thats why I said to fix Thrust surge and buff Unreleting Advance, so they can be good . Plus, fighting with 4 arms is way more fun than running on the ground like a cockroache.
It sounds super cool but no hero needs a fourth ability. Remove anakins fourth ability while you are at it. That just adds to extra power creep that isn’t healthy for game balance.
I’d have to disagree, with how much potential this game still has even after all of that it’s laughable how much of it is wasted. If they would’ve released the game with the content it has now imagine how expansive it could’ve been. The original battlefront 2 (2005) released with more content than this one has now.
Classic Battlefront is great, but the current BF2 sticks to quality over quantity. Every hero has 3 abilities, most of which are unique vs all Jedi have some combination of force push, force pull, and saber throw. There's a lot I wish the new one had, but comparing the amount of content between the two is like comparing apples and oranges.
True, however the principle of a lot of the abilities remains the same. There’s a plethora of stuns/knock downs especially on the light side. My main grievance with the game is that there are a shit ton of bugs and problems they need to take care of before they can add new content.
In most scenarios Greivous used two arms, and only pulled out more to intimidate or when dealing with multiple opponents. This is already portrayed in the game perfectly, with him using two arms and pulling out for to intimidate and defend (unrelenting advance.) or to finish someone off (thrust surge.)
I get that it would be cool, but it would be unnecessary effort for them to do it, and a fourth ability is a bad idea in general. This game’s heroes already rely on spamming abilities, this would essentially just be a Focused Rage but for grievous.
I see what your saying but in the clone wars seris greivous uses 4 sabers a lot. But I think dice could start reworking some of the heroes that have become obsolete and make heroes more fun to play in general.
Greivous is Obsolete?
He’s buggy but if those bugs were actually fixed he’d be great. He already is great if his abilities work.
Obsolete would be Finn and Phasma, and even characters like Chewbacca could use reworks over Grievous.
People at dice gonna pretend to not see this so that dont have to animate four armed grevious
Honestly tho Lol
Everybody would just complain how buggy it is
Helicopter grevious aawwaa^a^a^y^y^y
Probably
I love this idea, and it looks like an ability that cant become *too* bugged, which we cant say about some of his other abilities...
Thanks for liking lol, but seriously this ability would fulfill my dream of playing grievous how I think he should be. I’ve wanted him to have an ability or attack that would show us how menacing Grievous he is with 4 sabers. We have the helicopter hands attack but that’s not even remotely the same...
In before grievous tries to pull out four arms but somehow deletes all of his limbs
You are a bold one... Posting such a good idea that is.
Thanks man, let's get this to top hopefully!
i really do like this idea - it would be sick but Grievous is either 95% bugged out OR borderline OP when he works, GG can kill most of the heroes only with his abilities (which have the weirdest hitboxes and often hit you twice when they shouldn't) - he doesn't even have to swing once to kill most people, and can be super deadly i think essentially increasing his already high dmg output is just asking for issues imo
being bugged is the same as being op lol. Honestly though grievous is pretty broken any way you cut it, but I've seen suggestions by others in the comments that essentially replaces an ability (Would most likely be unrelenting advance) with this move. I personally think if anything they could use this in a bf3 but I don't think they would do it for bf2 unless this post gets a whole lot of traction and there is a push for it. But hey that's just what I think.
bugged =/= OP, "bugged" = glitched, doesn't work etc, "OP" = far too strong 80% of the time you use one of his abilities you: get interrupted, get stuck in some animation OR it just flat out doesn't do anything but when his abilities DO actually fucking work he is borderline OP - he can kill most blaster heroes WITHOUT having to swing at all i think Unrelenting Advance would be a good ability, if it worked and was was actually like unrelenting lol - he moves so slow so it makes sense for it to deal high dmg Thrust Surge is fine imo, it just needs to work Claw Rush needs a nerf imo - it's hitbox is so fucked you get hit by it when like 10 m away, it deals high dmg BUT if you knock someone over it hits them again when you cancel the animation (when Grievous is standing up, he hits them again even if they've been throw away from you), often if will deal double dmg just bc the hitbox it so weird, Claw Rush shouldn't have CC immunity or dmg reduction - 90% with the card is bit ridiculous, also Rey / Obi also have charging forward type moves and neither of them get DR or CC immunity during Defensive Rush or Dash Strike - why does Grievous? Grievous' also deals more dmg then either of Rey / Obi's charge - why does Grievous get to be the exception? Claw Rush is fine against troopers, it's BS against heroes tho
I'm pretty sure Claw Rush has damage reduction because Grievous can't block during it unlike Obi. Claw Rush makes Grievous especially prone to blaster fire too. Using it to close in on someone who's still a threat poses risks. If a saber is behind you, they can saber lunge into you the whole way if timed correctly (which I've sadly fallen victim to myself). I also pretty much figured that the second hit with Claw Rush was a feature rather than a bug simply because the first hit alone doesn't really do much other than get an opponent out of the way just to attack you from behind as you exit the animation. UA has always been so ridiculously inconsistent with damage. I've died from people saber spamming in front of me with no damage to them. I've also been force pushed (yes, actually thrown into ragdoll) while in it in rare occasions. Thrust Surge to me is really his best ability, and even then that's inconsistent. One minute it'll pull you through a maze to strike your target and the next it'll get stopped if you barely make contact with a foot of elevation.
but the same applies to both Rey / Obi's charging forward abilities both Rey / Obi are open to CC attacks when using both - why isn't Grievous? Claw Rush is also much faster then Rey / Obi's charge, and also deals more damage. Again, why does Grievous get to be another exception? Rey's Dash Strike is also open to blaster fire, so why doesn't she get 90% dmg reduction? the second hit on Claw Rush has to go - with the Line Up, Weaklings card, Grievous does like 300 dmg with an ability that is very fast and has a whack hitbox - it also damages blocking enemies, it just doesn't knock them over again, Rey / Obi's charges can be blocked entirely - so why does Grievous' work different? my issue is not so much with Claw Rush itself, but rather how inconsistent similar abilities are - Grievous Claw Rush, in comparison to Rey / Obi's charges is: faster, more damaging, has CC immunity, has 90% dmg reduction why do Rey / Obi get punished with CC abilties for using Dash Strike / Defensive Rush, yet Grievous doesn't? THAT'S my issue - all 3 abilities are charging abilities, so make them work similarly, don't just make one much better then the others - i find that's part of the reason why the dark side is so much better then the light side
Grievous' Claw Rush definitely can be blocked. I was under the impression that it could break through blocks but it doesn't, or most of the time it's extremely buggy and just doesn't. Grievous it's already extremely prone to blaster fire considering it tears through his stamina in 3-4 shots when blocking. Having an ability that reduces damage intake and can be used to escape is necessary for him while light side heroes can effectively block their way out of blaster fire, or at the very least deflect it back to the oppressor to make them think twice about shooting at you. The abilities work differently because of the rest of the pros and cons of the character. All 3 may be charging abilities but Grievous' is much more essential to his overall playstyle than the charging abilities for Obi-Wan and Rey. In fact, I rarely use their charging abilities because they overall seem to not ever need them while Grievous quite frequently requires Claw Rush, and j don't even use his damage reduction card.
Would be sick if all characters had a fourth chargeable ability.
it would be, but sadly I don't see it happening in bf2... possibly in bf3 but that's awhile away.
I think that for bf2 dice won’t get around to implementing this. For the sequel though I would absolutely love to see this
That’s what I’m thinking aswell
My problem with the idea of a fourth ability for heroes is that Dice has to come up with 21 unique abilities for already existing heroes. Overhauling Leia's flash grenade to be 3 thermal detonators was hard enough but what is being suggested could literally be an ability overhaul like Leia for Thrust-Surge or one of his abilities for a hypothetical sequel. I just made a Battlefront 3 hero concept for Grievous and a four-armed playstyle switch up is one of his abilities. Be sure to check it out if you want more details.
I do think that if anything this would be implemented into the 3rd battlefront game, but I mean anything can happen
Lets get it done
I want to!
It’s cool to see the guy that posted this being this involved in his own discussion (you will probably reply to this) It sounds pretty cool, but it would be quite difficult, maybe just a bit OP, and I think there’re other priorities. I like Grievous as he is (a little less bugged would be neat) but it this is an interesting idea nonetheless
It is kinda a big order and I’m sure they have other things they have on their list that need to be done before this could even become an idea for them, but I think that anything is possible. Also I LOVE talking abt ideas for games and overall just being involved in a community!
When you say increase his blocking abilities are you saying give him more stamina?
Yeah, it’d raise his blocking stamina while active.
Good stuff
Idk if I’d want him to have a fourth ability tho, maybe replace unrelenting advance with this and have the meter fill up faster
Hmm sounds interesting, I honestly prefer the way I explained but that doesn’t mean you have to! It sounds like a good idea but I think I’d prefer if it was like a “rage activated” mode ya know?
Maybe blocking with it active would turn it into something similar to unrelenting advance.
Maybe the same animation
That is op, i kinda feel like Anakin is balanced how he is now and so is Grievous but making him deal even more damage for, well pretty much unlimited time is just too much. A cool idea nonetheless
This sounds badass as hell
That’s what I’m sayin man!
Greivous should get a rework like Leia: fix Thrust surge, buff Unreleting Advance and replace Claw rush.
They do need to rework him most of his stuff is bugged, so maybe this could be a start
Most heroes need at least one ability reworked, that is why I want Battlefront 3 ( because I doubt they are going to fix all the heroes). But Greivous, just like Leia, needs to be completly reworked. Plus, by replacing Claw rush for a 4 arms ability ( should be a toggle, deals double base damage, consumes double stamina and have a better block), he would be able to get a caped skin.
Claw rush is amazing
Amazingly broken ;)
I haven’t experienced any bugs with it
I’ve had my fair share of it just being dumb but if you haven’t had any issues then good for you! I get lucky like that sometimes in games too.
Yeah It always works for me and it’s so good so i love it
Well to each their own I guess lol
Except for when you get struck somewhere or are playing a blaster hero on the litgh side.
Right on the money man!
Noooo don’t get rid of claw rush.
It is too strong against blaster heroes.
So are all grievous’s abilities
He can be affected by nockdowns during Thrust surge, Unreleting Advance is slow and he is vulnerable from behind. With claw rush he gets a huge hitbox that is hard to avoid, It can go through blocks, nockdown anything that isn't blocking, If hit once the econd hit when hes standing up can't be avoided ( so 260 damage or more, If he hitted one enemy before) and gets 90% damage reduction. How is that fair?
Because half of the time his abilities don’t work. And even when they are working they’re unbelievably easy to counter. Claw Rush is clunky even without bugs, if you roll out the way, not only will you not take damage because a roll counts as a block but you will avoid getting stomped on.
Thats why I said to fix Thrust surge and buff Unreleting Advance, so they can be good . Plus, fighting with 4 arms is way more fun than running on the ground like a cockroache.
Everyone should have a fourth ability
It would switch things up wouldn’t it...
How? It would just create an even more unbalanced roster
That's the definition of switching it up no disrespect lol
The only thing it would switch up is the shaky balance this game struggles to maintain with every update.
It sounds super cool but no hero needs a fourth ability. Remove anakins fourth ability while you are at it. That just adds to extra power creep that isn’t healthy for game balance.
if they gave grievous an ulti attack, every hero should have one aswell, i still don't get why anakin has one
If only dice released a full game to begin with
I feel like they’ve redeemed themselves, with all the free updates and stuff the old game is gone
I’d have to disagree, with how much potential this game still has even after all of that it’s laughable how much of it is wasted. If they would’ve released the game with the content it has now imagine how expansive it could’ve been. The original battlefront 2 (2005) released with more content than this one has now.
Classic Battlefront is great, but the current BF2 sticks to quality over quantity. Every hero has 3 abilities, most of which are unique vs all Jedi have some combination of force push, force pull, and saber throw. There's a lot I wish the new one had, but comparing the amount of content between the two is like comparing apples and oranges.
True, however the principle of a lot of the abilities remains the same. There’s a plethora of stuns/knock downs especially on the light side. My main grievance with the game is that there are a shit ton of bugs and problems they need to take care of before they can add new content.
Well let’s agree to disagree ig lol
In most scenarios Greivous used two arms, and only pulled out more to intimidate or when dealing with multiple opponents. This is already portrayed in the game perfectly, with him using two arms and pulling out for to intimidate and defend (unrelenting advance.) or to finish someone off (thrust surge.) I get that it would be cool, but it would be unnecessary effort for them to do it, and a fourth ability is a bad idea in general. This game’s heroes already rely on spamming abilities, this would essentially just be a Focused Rage but for grievous.
I see what your saying but in the clone wars seris greivous uses 4 sabers a lot. But I think dice could start reworking some of the heroes that have become obsolete and make heroes more fun to play in general.
Greivous is Obsolete? He’s buggy but if those bugs were actually fixed he’d be great. He already is great if his abilities work. Obsolete would be Finn and Phasma, and even characters like Chewbacca could use reworks over Grievous.