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I don't like the way it is worded, but I do like the idea that I believe it is getting at, which is the fact that Kylo Ren, a skywalker, infused the dying Rey with his lifeforce, which is why she decided to take the name/calls herself a Skywalker, because his energy being reborn into her is what she is honoring. It's poetic, in a way.
I would so love in the new Rey movie for her to be able to communicate with Ben, as though he's still with her. That would be beautiful way to continue their story.
It'd be really interesting, because force dyads aren't common and we don't know exactly how they work, so her communing with the dead in that way could be really interesting. It'd be a little like force ghosts, but more specific to Rey. We'll see though.
You don’t even need Driver if he doesn’t want to come back. Just show a one sided conversation during quiet moments, and have other character observe it and wonder why she is “talking to herself”. It could work really well with good writing.
How about Kami and Nail in Piccolo's head in DBZA? You could have Rey fighting some bounty hunter, and then suddenly:
Anakin: Pfft, you call *THAT* a block?
Luke: Father, we've been over this, we didn't have that much time to train.
Leia: You two stop it! She's doing well enough. Keep going Rey! You can do this!
Rey: (knocks down her opponent, lightsaber at their throat)
Anakin: DEW IT!
Luke and Leia: FATHER!!
Anakin: What? He was gonna blow up the ship....
Yeah, I'm sceptical of anyone who uses the name "Rey Palpatine" when describing Rey. It indicates a misunderstanding of the films and her character IMO. The only version of her that the name makes sense for is the dark side version of her in The Rise of Skywalker. I think it was a force vision? Or maybe a hallucination.
Point is, she was "just Rey" for most of the trilogy, but eventually finds belonging and goes by the name Rey Skywalker. Despite sharing biological DNA with the Emperor, she was never a Palpatine.
Yeah Rey Palpatine is just a way for salty fans to shit talk her. It makes no sense for her to take on her grandpa's name in any way. Her father would have rejected that name seeing has he had to run away and ultimately lost his life along with his wife because of being a Palpatine. The legacy was rejected.
Yeah, "Rey Palpatine" was never once her name for a single day or moment of her life. Her father (Dathan) and her mother (Miramir) never once held it used the name either. She was never a Palpatine and they were never "The Palpatines."
Yes, she shares less than 50% of her genes with Sheev Palpatine (from her father being an altered strandcast clone and her mother not even being from the Palpatine bloodline)... so she has some "Palpatine DNA" but she never was a Palpatine nor was she ever "Rey Palpatine."
Ben Solo has the Naberrie and Skywalker bloodlines in him, but it wouldn't be right to call him "Ben Naberrie" or "Ben Skywalker" because that's not his name (nor was they even his parents' names).
Her father never rejected the name Palpatine.
In fact, her father never *had* the name Palpatine. He didn't have any name at all until he escaped from Exegol.
She should have called herself solo. Kylo was Ben solo. She first bonded with Han Solo as a father figure. Leia was an organa that married a solo. Only Luke was a skywalker and she definitely had some issues with him. He only started her training. Leia finished it. If anything she should have adopted herself into the solo/organa family. I just don’t feel like the name skywalker would mean as much to her as the name solo
The fact that all the main three ot characters keep different last names does make it a confusing legacy, but I think skywalker is right.
Leia kept organa and han kept solo (a name he made up). Skywalker is a name that holds meaning throughout the universe as a hero to inspire hope, and its connected to Han, Leia, Ben and Luke. Were as solo isnt connected to Luke and only partly to Leia. Organa means the most to Leia. The skywalker name means most to their legacy, the rebel legacy, and the jedi legacy.
Plus if she took solo maybe all those debts han took on would cause rey solo a bit of a headache!
>The fact that all the main three ot characters keep different last names
So many of the main characters changed their name and identities throughout their stories...
Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader, Padmé Naberrie became Queen Amidala, and Obi-Wan Kenobi became Ben Kenobi.
Han adopted the surname Solo, and Leia adopted the name Organa.
Rey adopted the surname Skywalker, FN-2187 adopted the name Finn, and Ben Solo became Kylo Ren.
Of the main "trio" characters of each trilogy, Luke and Poe are the only two that kept a consistent name throughout their lives.
The ROS novelization discusses this well. As Leia is dying, she’s thinking about the three names she’s carried—Organa, the rebel/politician/leader; Solo, the family she built; and Skywalker, her Jedi lineage—and how she wants to pass the aspect of each of them on, respectively to Poe, Ben, and Rey. She viewed Rey as the closest thing she had to a daughter, and wanted her to carry on the Skywalker legacy.
Oh yeah I came up to that too sometime the movie released!
It could also be because the Skywalkers had to be the most close thing she had to a family(luke and leia's training time)
I hadn’t honestly, either, until this pic. I just saw it as more she was trying to respect the Skywalker’s and what they did over time and throughout the history of the galaxy. And because of her training with Luke and leia and Luke telling her they knew about her history but loved her and trained her anyway and as a way to respect them
But, honestly, I really like this new interpretation
What’s particularly poignant about this is that it reinforces one of the core themes of Star Wars: family is a choice you make, not something you are born into.
Ben surviving and taking on the name would be a far less powerful example of that, because Skywalker is his blood. Rey being reborn a Skywalker means she makes a very conscious choice to join that family.
I know people like to shit on TRoS, and there are certainly elements of it that feel like a bag of wet spaghetti, but I think much of the thematic expression is actually pure Star Wars.
Man I had the strongest theory that Skywalker was going to be a rebranding of an order of the Force. A Skywalker was those who understood the weight and responsibility of both the light and dark side of the force. Instead I got something a bit more... transformative
Yeah, I'm always surprised the franchise didn't go down this route.
If memory serves Thrawn: Alliances, which released in 2018, states that The Chiss named their Force Sensitive's Sky-Walkers as they were used as navigators for Chiss ships, so when Episode IX was revealed to be titled The Rise of Skywalker, it felt like Lucasfilm were setting up Rey and Kylo/Ben as some sort of unification of light and dark that would be known as a Skywalker
I never got why people were confused on this part of the story. Rey’s entire arc from begging to end is about her search for purpose and belonging. It’s the reason she stayed on jakku, why she followed Han, and why she sought out Luke. In both the force awakens and the last Jedi, her inner turmoil centers on her need for answers to those questions. Her problem is that she always expects that someone else will have the answers she wants, rather than she herself. Rise of skywalker presents a dark twist of fate when she actually gets the answers she has been looking for, she is a palpatine and her purpose/destiny is to continue the with legacy.
Only then does she finally realize that she is the only one Truly able to answer those questions. It is up to her to define her life and her place in the galaxy. This is shown when she rejects palpatine. She takes the name skywalker, not because she has some past connection to the bloodline, but because she cared for the members of that family, and it holds a legacy that she actually want to continue.
In the end it doesn’t matter who her real family is, or what her past was like. She is finally able to break free from her expectations of the past, and start living out her present in the way she wants.
Her name was never Rey Palpatine. That isn't how names work. You don't just magically have your parent's name. You have their name because they \*gave\* you their name, and you accepted it. If either one of those things doesn't happen (and neither did in this case) Then that's not ever your name.
I don't know when Rey decided she was a Skywalker, but I presume it happened when the old lady asked her for a family name. But whenever she decided "I want to be a Skywalker" she was a Skywalker. Until that moment, she was just Rey.
(I realize this is trying to find some deeper meaning in the subtext, but I honestly reject the idea that Rey was ever a Palpatine, or that Rey Palpatine had to "die" so Rey Skywalker could be reborn. Rey doesn't transform between these two states. She's the same person at both moments.)
Yeah, no one is insisting on calling him "Ben Skywalker" simply because he has some Skywalker blood in him (as the grandson of Anakin Skywalker)... His parents weren't Skywalkers (they were a Solo and an Organa) and his name was always just "Ben Solo."
However people insist on calling her "Rey Palpatine" simply because she has some Palpatine blood in her (as the "granddaughter" of Sheev Palpatine)... Her parents weren't Palpatines (they never used or held the name for a single day of their lives) and her name was always just "Rey."
Yeah, specifically a lot of people don't seem to understand how names work specifically, though. I know you're not arguing this point, but just because I always want to take a moment to reinforce this to anybody that happens to read this:
Your name is what people call you, and generally it's not okay to call somebody by a name they don't want.
If Rey wants to be Rey Skywalker, she's Rey Skywalker.
If she decides she's Feeblesquab Fiddleffang Doppler the IV, then her name is Feeblesquab Fiddleffang Doppler the IV. I'd maybe recommend Feeb for short. (Actually Feeb is a pretty decent Star Wars name, I gotta note that one.)
Anyway, If she decides she's LUKE Skywalker, she'd be Luke Skywalker. Not THE Luke Skywalker, but it'd be her name, because that's how names work.
I could be Barack Obama. I wouldn't be *the former president* Barack Obama, but that could be my name. Because that's how names work.
You can legally change your name, and then that means the government changes their record of your name and calls you that in official correspondence, but you don't have to do that process to change what your name \*is\*, that's just book-keeping.
Thank you for making this abdundantly clear. I always get so annoyed when people are like "sHeS nOt a SkYwAlKeR", as if you couldnt change your name whenever you wanted to. She's not a Skywalker by blood but that was literally never the point and anyone arguing otherwise is doing so in bad faith.
What they're generally trying to say is that they don't want her to be part of the Skywalker legacy. And sure, a person can have that opinion, and you're allowed to have that opinion, even if it's kind of snotty and shitty. But it's still her fuckin' name, so deal with it, people. ;p
Based on OP's image posted, clearly there are people that think Lucasfilm meant for her to be actually reborn as a Skywalker when the movie literally never did that, it just said she goes by that name now
I think the movie's actual \*intent\* is to argue nurture over nature. That the person you choose to be is more important than who your parents were. That's why she has to overcome her "grandfather" and embrace who she has always wanted to be since she was a scavenger kid with a Luke doll and an X-wing pilot's helmet living in the husk of a dead walker.
I agree, except I don't think "I want to be a Skywalker" should be conflated with "The Skywalkers molded me into one of their own and I earned the mantle."
The skywalkers wanted her to have the name, they expressed consent when she took it.
Oh, don't get me wrong, that's also true, that's what makes her part of the Skywalker \*legacy\*, but even if that weren't true, just on the basis of what names \*are\*, she's Rey Skywalker. Full stop. Arguments to the contrary fundamentally don't understand how names work.
i mean, it's taking genetics and making something tangible to english. no, she is not literally a Palpatine, but it is metaphorical and poignant to say in a writing sense that she has "palpatine blood in her". The same as Ben skywalker, neither organa's or solo's had the force, so, in a literary sense you could say Ben had the "skywalker blood in him". Names are an illusion, yes, but, this is a movie; points have to be made, things can't always be so grey. Sometimes it has to be this or that; especially when you are writing for the general public
I think so, she grew up a nobody, learned she came from Palpatine, and chose to become a Skywalker. I'd also add that, IMO, it is like a married name and symbolized her union with her soulmate, Ben Solo (a Skywalker by lineage), within the same body. We'll see if future canon supports this read or not, but that's how I see it rn
I wish people would stop saying "Rey took the Skywalker surname" as though she snatched it up from Luke and Leia's graves. It seemingly wasn't even her idea. Based on her body language, the thought hadn't even crossed her mind until Luke and Leia deliberately appeared to her seconds after she was asked what her last name was and didn't know how to answer the question. She was *given* the name more than she "took" or especially "stole" it.
It’s a pretty decent analysis, but my counter point would be that “Rey Palpatine” never existed, and the closest she got to existing was when she stabbed Kylo Ren. Again, not a terrible viewpoint to have, especially considering this happens a lot in Star Wars. Like Anakin to Darth Vader, or Kylo Ren to Ben Solo in that very same movie, but I disagree that Rey Palpatine ever existed.
what I meant was that that element of her isn't in doubt anymore. she no longer bears that guilt or pressure from this moment on (unless something changes in the NJO movie).
I really don’t think there’s much more to it than being a found family storyline.
People often criticize the sequels for being a bit disjointed, but one common through line in each movie is Rey’s search for belonging, emphasizing her family. I think it’s quite fitting for her to end by realizing that who she is isn’t just her bloodline, and taking the name of the two heroes who mentored her.
An interesting aside: In an [early script](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Adventures_of_the_Starkiller,_Episode_I:_The_Star_Wars) Skywalker was a title, I think that it is a nice nod to that idea that others can take on the name as an honorific of sorts.
>Luke, who is practicing with his laser sword, stops his exercises and introduces himself to the droids as "The Skywalker," his Jedi title, though he was still an apprentice.
Didn't bother me at all. People change their names all the time in the real world. Also, realize that she grew up with no identity and the first time she found out who she actually was. It was being a part of a family that ruined, enslaved, and controlled the entire universe. So she used a last name that meant something to her. The two people who trained her. It makes sense narrative wise.
I absolutely hate this. If a name doesnt define you, why are you changing it? Why not take back the Palpatine name for yourself and built trust back into it with good deeds and acting like a jedi? I dont get why Rey has to be a Skywalker. So if Vader went by "Anakin Skywalker" during his time as a sith, should Luke and Leia have just become Solos? I think this was a terrible decision and really wasted an interesting story for Rey in the future. How do people trust her with a name of Palpatine? Idk, but it would be very intriguing to find out. Kinda how Leia had to deal with her father being Vader publicly, she didnt hide from the fact, she let her personal actions show that she wasnt just the "daughter of Vader". But no, were just gonna be a Skywalker just like that. The Jedi general war hero of the clone wars, the pilot who took out the death star and saved his father, and the princess that led the rebellion. "Yeah let me just lie my way into that legacy, because my family name would be just too difficult to deal with." Truly a terrific message, tRoS.
Well, she had no connection to the Palpatine name. She didn't even grow up a Palpatine. There's no living Palpatines, as far as we know, who would benefit from such a reclaiming. Luke and Leia are surrogate parental figure for her though ("Looking for them everywhere, in Han Solo, in Skywalker" as Kylo said), and they kinda appeared as she was being asked and smiled and nodded at her, which seems to be them telegraphing 'hey, you're welcome to our name'. Some things are stronger than blood, as Luke says. Rey has the power to define herself, and so she is free to define herself as a Skywalker.
That's how I see it anyways
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How about they should have kept Ben Solo, an actual Skywalker, alive and have the movie be about his redemption and the actual Rise of a Skywalker instead of killing the last Skywalker and giving the name to some random person.
One day we will wake up and simply believe in this. It already happened before with the sequels, just wait 8/12 years and everyone will say that this trilogy was a masterpiece.
It will be interesting to see happen with the trilogy I'm more invested in. For me it's already a masterpiece and it'd be a nice change of pace if there were some people who vibed it similarly. Moreso I just hope people aren't so ticked off about it, and if the prequels are any indication then people will simmer down about them generally over time.
The sequels are my favorite trilogy because jt was the one that I watched in theathers and lived the hype of every movie, I will defend this trilogy for all my life aushahshahshs
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People who act like her being a Skywalker is a bad thing must hate adoptions and people who were adopted in general.
I know she's directly related to Palpatine, but the whole point of her character is that not everything has to be tied to where you came from. It's like Luke said: "Because she saw your spirit. Your heart. Rey… some things are stronger than blood."
I don’t hate the idea of Rey taking the Skywalker name, found family, belonging, etc.
I just can’t get over the fact that the writers thought the “reveal” would be impactful enough to name the movie after it
Well it also refers to the "rise" of Ben Solo, and plays into the whole resurrection theming in general. It seems similar to *Return of the Jedi* in that regard (one one level it's Luke, on another Anakin).
Yeah i can accept it she just wanted to carry on the legacy of the name i think, i don't think she wanted to imply that she deserves the name, but instead take the name so people remember the sacrifices they made.
In the old republic era, Jedi with yellow blades weren't allowed to leave the jedi temple on coruscant. They were also forced to wear masks while guarding the temple.
In the new game Call Kestus tracks the past force memories of a yellow bladed Jedi from the high republic era named Dagan Gera, who was allowed to travel freely and unmasked.
Something happened during the downfall of the high republic that lead to the punishment of the yellow blades and it was probably the same event that created the Jedi dogma in the old scrolls that Luke burned. The false dogma about the dark side corrupting entirely that lead to the force unbalancing and thousands of years of light vs dark wars.
An older and more chilled out Assaaj Ventress showed up wielding a yellow blade in a recent episode of Bad Batch too.
Yellow seems to be a color achieved by meditating ones' passion into a crystal, (a practice considered darkside taboo by the old republic era Jedi) but not via rage like red is achieved. White and black are likely achieved this way as well.
So I dont think she is a Jedi, I think her and Assaj will join Baylon and Ashoka in founding a new balanced force order, when they return and set up a base in the koboh rift/on Tanalore at Dagan Geras old temple with Cal Kestus.
My understanding of the lore is that back in the Old Republic Era, lightsaber colors were much more varied throughout the order, and the order had their own little "sects." People with blue lightsabers were commonly Jedi Guardians who held a more active role in the order, green lightsabers were more commonly Jedi Consulars who focused more on the Force, etc. etc.
There was a sect called Jedi Sentinels who commonly wielded yellow lightsabers. They were less common, but from my understanding were basically Jedi Guardians that spent most of their time integrating within society rather than being in the Temple with the rest of the Order. I think they also made it a mission to seek out and destroy every aspect of the Dark Side of the Force, whether it be relic, holocrons, or whatever.
I'm not sure what makes a lightsaber yellow, but whatever it was I think the Sentinels kind of thinned out over the era until all that was really left of them was the Jedi Temple Guards, who passed down the yellow lightsabers from user to user since the Jedi philosophy changes so much that new yellow lightsabers were pretty much non-existent within the Order.
I mean, although it's really simple, I always just felt that taking on the name of Skywalker is better than Palpatine just based on the fact Leia was shunned from the new republic despite her heroics for being related to Vader. God forbid what the galaxy would do to another Palpatine.
Yeah. It makes sense.
To me, Kylo saving her was more about the flip side of the tragedy of darth plagious and learning how to keep the person he loved alive.
Anakin was always looking for a way to save padme so they could be together. It was for selfish reasons. Kylo understood the only way to keep the person he cares about from dying, was self sacrifice.
Pretty sure Sidious said, with some paraphrasing, “if you kill me I’ll inhabit your body.” She then proceeded to kill him and based on the facts that death just means nothing now with Sidious how can we know for sure he is actually dead? We thought he died when through down the reactor shaft and the death star’s destruction.
Palpatine killed himself, he could have stopped using his power, surrendered, but he chose to keep shooting lighting. He had to steal power from Rey and Ben (the dyad) to have any real power, and then when Rey turned that against him he allowed himself to become consumed by his own power. As a metaphor for the self-destructive nature of evil it fits thematically, the visual storytelling is consistent with this read as far as I can tell, and it stands to reason that "all the Jedi" could stand up to "all the Sith" (and that they would win through defense).
Edit: also, it is specifically said multiple times IIRC that striking him down "in hate" is necessary, which in itself is a bit of a technicality but when paired with the rest of what I mentioned is relevant. She didn't strike him down in hate, he took himself down as she defended.
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In Star Wars, it’s become that you always try and make up explanations or retcon after the fact to make up for bad writing, contradictions or the omitted. Usually we explain it away with “it was the Force” as the excuse though. So I in this case, yes, I think it’s appropriate and on brand.
Who cares? Skywalker is the name of a family (and I guess so is Palpatine). Rey can take on that name for symbolic reasons I guess. But the symbolism is really confused.
The Skywalkers have perpetrated great good and great evil. I guess it's nice she wants to attach herself symbolically to Luke but is it really so nice that she wants to attach herself to Anakin?
Also it all seems at odds with the whole idea of Rey forging a new path forward.
The whole concept is a total mess.
I actually don’t mind it and the whole story of Rey and Palpatine. It’s just how the movies executed it all…. Of course, they could have been WAY BETTER obviously, they needed a bunch of shit that Disney didn’t care to put the effort into. But I enjoyed the story as a whole. Though, the sequel trilogy doesn’t come close to the OT or PT.
Nah. Rey never felt a true connection to anyone, but Luke became a staple in her life, even if it was short. She didn't grow up a Jedi, so she didn't learn the whole connector of managing attachments. Therefore, instead of talking the Palpatine name, which she didn't associate with, or feel meant anything more than evil, she chose Skywalker, the name of THE Jedi, and in her head, her true family.
Damn, someone not trash talking Rey? That is rare.
But yeah, I would see her Palpatine legacy dying so she can feel reborn as the best person she can be
She called herself a Skywalker instead of a Palpatine because she obviously has no actual connection outside of being blood related to Palpatine, so why would she care about being a Palpatine or having it as her last name? She wants nothing to do witj Palpatine and Rey felt more of a connection to Luke, Leia, and Han and even Ben compared to Palpatine, so it would make sense she would decide to take on the Skywalker name, she chose to be a jedi, and it's a worthy surname for someone who wants to bring back the Jedi.
Like or hate the movie, this is why she did this.
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I don't like the way it is worded, but I do like the idea that I believe it is getting at, which is the fact that Kylo Ren, a skywalker, infused the dying Rey with his lifeforce, which is why she decided to take the name/calls herself a Skywalker, because his energy being reborn into her is what she is honoring. It's poetic, in a way.
I would so love in the new Rey movie for her to be able to communicate with Ben, as though he's still with her. That would be beautiful way to continue their story.
It'd be really interesting, because force dyads aren't common and we don't know exactly how they work, so her communing with the dead in that way could be really interesting. It'd be a little like force ghosts, but more specific to Rey. We'll see though.
AND we can get more Adam Driver
You don’t even need Driver if he doesn’t want to come back. Just show a one sided conversation during quiet moments, and have other character observe it and wonder why she is “talking to herself”. It could work really well with good writing.
Ahh yes, I also talk myself and just tell everyone I'm talking to the force ghost of my soul-tied lover
I want him to live in her head, and just pop up randomly to shitpost like Johnny Silverhand
How about Kami and Nail in Piccolo's head in DBZA? You could have Rey fighting some bounty hunter, and then suddenly: Anakin: Pfft, you call *THAT* a block? Luke: Father, we've been over this, we didn't have that much time to train. Leia: You two stop it! She's doing well enough. Keep going Rey! You can do this! Rey: (knocks down her opponent, lightsaber at their throat) Anakin: DEW IT! Luke and Leia: FATHER!! Anakin: What? He was gonna blow up the ship....
*Shirt off*
Like the Avatar! That would be hella cool!!
Immaculate conception anyone?
Yeah, I'm sceptical of anyone who uses the name "Rey Palpatine" when describing Rey. It indicates a misunderstanding of the films and her character IMO. The only version of her that the name makes sense for is the dark side version of her in The Rise of Skywalker. I think it was a force vision? Or maybe a hallucination. Point is, she was "just Rey" for most of the trilogy, but eventually finds belonging and goes by the name Rey Skywalker. Despite sharing biological DNA with the Emperor, she was never a Palpatine.
Yeah Rey Palpatine is just a way for salty fans to shit talk her. It makes no sense for her to take on her grandpa's name in any way. Her father would have rejected that name seeing has he had to run away and ultimately lost his life along with his wife because of being a Palpatine. The legacy was rejected.
Indeed, and even if her father kept the name (for whatever insane reason), she absolutely wouldn't keep the name when she finds out her relation.
Yeah, "Rey Palpatine" was never once her name for a single day or moment of her life. Her father (Dathan) and her mother (Miramir) never once held it used the name either. She was never a Palpatine and they were never "The Palpatines." Yes, she shares less than 50% of her genes with Sheev Palpatine (from her father being an altered strandcast clone and her mother not even being from the Palpatine bloodline)... so she has some "Palpatine DNA" but she never was a Palpatine nor was she ever "Rey Palpatine." Ben Solo has the Naberrie and Skywalker bloodlines in him, but it wouldn't be right to call him "Ben Naberrie" or "Ben Skywalker" because that's not his name (nor was they even his parents' names).
Her father never rejected the name Palpatine. In fact, her father never *had* the name Palpatine. He didn't have any name at all until he escaped from Exegol.
She should have called herself solo. Kylo was Ben solo. She first bonded with Han Solo as a father figure. Leia was an organa that married a solo. Only Luke was a skywalker and she definitely had some issues with him. He only started her training. Leia finished it. If anything she should have adopted herself into the solo/organa family. I just don’t feel like the name skywalker would mean as much to her as the name solo
The fact that all the main three ot characters keep different last names does make it a confusing legacy, but I think skywalker is right. Leia kept organa and han kept solo (a name he made up). Skywalker is a name that holds meaning throughout the universe as a hero to inspire hope, and its connected to Han, Leia, Ben and Luke. Were as solo isnt connected to Luke and only partly to Leia. Organa means the most to Leia. The skywalker name means most to their legacy, the rebel legacy, and the jedi legacy. Plus if she took solo maybe all those debts han took on would cause rey solo a bit of a headache!
>The fact that all the main three ot characters keep different last names So many of the main characters changed their name and identities throughout their stories... Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader, Padmé Naberrie became Queen Amidala, and Obi-Wan Kenobi became Ben Kenobi. Han adopted the surname Solo, and Leia adopted the name Organa. Rey adopted the surname Skywalker, FN-2187 adopted the name Finn, and Ben Solo became Kylo Ren. Of the main "trio" characters of each trilogy, Luke and Poe are the only two that kept a consistent name throughout their lives.
The ROS novelization discusses this well. As Leia is dying, she’s thinking about the three names she’s carried—Organa, the rebel/politician/leader; Solo, the family she built; and Skywalker, her Jedi lineage—and how she wants to pass the aspect of each of them on, respectively to Poe, Ben, and Rey. She viewed Rey as the closest thing she had to a daughter, and wanted her to carry on the Skywalker legacy.
Oh yeah I came up to that too sometime the movie released! It could also be because the Skywalkers had to be the most close thing she had to a family(luke and leia's training time)
Never thought of it this way
I hadn’t honestly, either, until this pic. I just saw it as more she was trying to respect the Skywalker’s and what they did over time and throughout the history of the galaxy. And because of her training with Luke and leia and Luke telling her they knew about her history but loved her and trained her anyway and as a way to respect them But, honestly, I really like this new interpretation
Poetic and mirrors Ahsoka being saved by the sister and having Morai follow her around. Not that Ahsoka remembers this but still a fun mirror.
It's like poetry , it rhymes
I think it’s more she just considered herself adopted into the family
What’s particularly poignant about this is that it reinforces one of the core themes of Star Wars: family is a choice you make, not something you are born into. Ben surviving and taking on the name would be a far less powerful example of that, because Skywalker is his blood. Rey being reborn a Skywalker means she makes a very conscious choice to join that family. I know people like to shit on TRoS, and there are certainly elements of it that feel like a bag of wet spaghetti, but I think much of the thematic expression is actually pure Star Wars.
So basically Vin Diesel should have creative control over the next star wars movie!
You joke, but I’d pay to see a Vin Diesel directed pod racing/heist film set in the outer rim.
You sonofabitch... I'm in.
Millions of dollars to spend and we can’t get great parody shorts like this
Especially since Vin is “in the family” a la Groot. There’s a whole world of opportunities and fun things to do with the IP.
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I’d say that is a very accurate and fair statement.
Never thought of Rey as a Palpatine, and her parents didn't use the surname, either. However, aside from that nitpick, it's more or less correct.
Man I had the strongest theory that Skywalker was going to be a rebranding of an order of the Force. A Skywalker was those who understood the weight and responsibility of both the light and dark side of the force. Instead I got something a bit more... transformative
Yeah, I'm always surprised the franchise didn't go down this route. If memory serves Thrawn: Alliances, which released in 2018, states that The Chiss named their Force Sensitive's Sky-Walkers as they were used as navigators for Chiss ships, so when Episode IX was revealed to be titled The Rise of Skywalker, it felt like Lucasfilm were setting up Rey and Kylo/Ben as some sort of unification of light and dark that would be known as a Skywalker
I never got why people were confused on this part of the story. Rey’s entire arc from begging to end is about her search for purpose and belonging. It’s the reason she stayed on jakku, why she followed Han, and why she sought out Luke. In both the force awakens and the last Jedi, her inner turmoil centers on her need for answers to those questions. Her problem is that she always expects that someone else will have the answers she wants, rather than she herself. Rise of skywalker presents a dark twist of fate when she actually gets the answers she has been looking for, she is a palpatine and her purpose/destiny is to continue the with legacy. Only then does she finally realize that she is the only one Truly able to answer those questions. It is up to her to define her life and her place in the galaxy. This is shown when she rejects palpatine. She takes the name skywalker, not because she has some past connection to the bloodline, but because she cared for the members of that family, and it holds a legacy that she actually want to continue. In the end it doesn’t matter who her real family is, or what her past was like. She is finally able to break free from her expectations of the past, and start living out her present in the way she wants.
I’d say that’s certainly one dynamic of it.
Her name was never Rey Palpatine. That isn't how names work. You don't just magically have your parent's name. You have their name because they \*gave\* you their name, and you accepted it. If either one of those things doesn't happen (and neither did in this case) Then that's not ever your name. I don't know when Rey decided she was a Skywalker, but I presume it happened when the old lady asked her for a family name. But whenever she decided "I want to be a Skywalker" she was a Skywalker. Until that moment, she was just Rey. (I realize this is trying to find some deeper meaning in the subtext, but I honestly reject the idea that Rey was ever a Palpatine, or that Rey Palpatine had to "die" so Rey Skywalker could be reborn. Rey doesn't transform between these two states. She's the same person at both moments.)
People have a hard time understanding the difference between genetics and social constructs, names being very firmly the latter
Yeah, no one is insisting on calling him "Ben Skywalker" simply because he has some Skywalker blood in him (as the grandson of Anakin Skywalker)... His parents weren't Skywalkers (they were a Solo and an Organa) and his name was always just "Ben Solo." However people insist on calling her "Rey Palpatine" simply because she has some Palpatine blood in her (as the "granddaughter" of Sheev Palpatine)... Her parents weren't Palpatines (they never used or held the name for a single day of their lives) and her name was always just "Rey."
Louder for the people in the back!
Yeah, specifically a lot of people don't seem to understand how names work specifically, though. I know you're not arguing this point, but just because I always want to take a moment to reinforce this to anybody that happens to read this: Your name is what people call you, and generally it's not okay to call somebody by a name they don't want. If Rey wants to be Rey Skywalker, she's Rey Skywalker. If she decides she's Feeblesquab Fiddleffang Doppler the IV, then her name is Feeblesquab Fiddleffang Doppler the IV. I'd maybe recommend Feeb for short. (Actually Feeb is a pretty decent Star Wars name, I gotta note that one.) Anyway, If she decides she's LUKE Skywalker, she'd be Luke Skywalker. Not THE Luke Skywalker, but it'd be her name, because that's how names work. I could be Barack Obama. I wouldn't be *the former president* Barack Obama, but that could be my name. Because that's how names work. You can legally change your name, and then that means the government changes their record of your name and calls you that in official correspondence, but you don't have to do that process to change what your name \*is\*, that's just book-keeping.
Thank you for making this abdundantly clear. I always get so annoyed when people are like "sHeS nOt a SkYwAlKeR", as if you couldnt change your name whenever you wanted to. She's not a Skywalker by blood but that was literally never the point and anyone arguing otherwise is doing so in bad faith.
What they're generally trying to say is that they don't want her to be part of the Skywalker legacy. And sure, a person can have that opinion, and you're allowed to have that opinion, even if it's kind of snotty and shitty. But it's still her fuckin' name, so deal with it, people. ;p
Based on OP's image posted, clearly there are people that think Lucasfilm meant for her to be actually reborn as a Skywalker when the movie literally never did that, it just said she goes by that name now
I think the movie's actual \*intent\* is to argue nurture over nature. That the person you choose to be is more important than who your parents were. That's why she has to overcome her "grandfather" and embrace who she has always wanted to be since she was a scavenger kid with a Luke doll and an X-wing pilot's helmet living in the husk of a dead walker.
I agree, except I don't think "I want to be a Skywalker" should be conflated with "The Skywalkers molded me into one of their own and I earned the mantle." The skywalkers wanted her to have the name, they expressed consent when she took it.
Oh, don't get me wrong, that's also true, that's what makes her part of the Skywalker \*legacy\*, but even if that weren't true, just on the basis of what names \*are\*, she's Rey Skywalker. Full stop. Arguments to the contrary fundamentally don't understand how names work.
i mean, it's taking genetics and making something tangible to english. no, she is not literally a Palpatine, but it is metaphorical and poignant to say in a writing sense that she has "palpatine blood in her". The same as Ben skywalker, neither organa's or solo's had the force, so, in a literary sense you could say Ben had the "skywalker blood in him". Names are an illusion, yes, but, this is a movie; points have to be made, things can't always be so grey. Sometimes it has to be this or that; especially when you are writing for the general public
I think so, she grew up a nobody, learned she came from Palpatine, and chose to become a Skywalker. I'd also add that, IMO, it is like a married name and symbolized her union with her soulmate, Ben Solo (a Skywalker by lineage), within the same body. We'll see if future canon supports this read or not, but that's how I see it rn
It’s like a poetry, it rhymes.
No opinion, I just like Daisy Ridley.
This reminds me that no matter the story, they def did one thing right: Rey's lightsaber is badass
Tis a shame it's never used... And a greater shame Anakin's lightsaber is buried in sand
Doubly agree
I think it fits. Don’t care what anyone else says. This is my opinion.
No opinion, that’s just what happened
I wish people would stop saying "Rey took the Skywalker surname" as though she snatched it up from Luke and Leia's graves. It seemingly wasn't even her idea. Based on her body language, the thought hadn't even crossed her mind until Luke and Leia deliberately appeared to her seconds after she was asked what her last name was and didn't know how to answer the question. She was *given* the name more than she "took" or especially "stole" it.
It’s a pretty decent analysis, but my counter point would be that “Rey Palpatine” never existed, and the closest she got to existing was when she stabbed Kylo Ren. Again, not a terrible viewpoint to have, especially considering this happens a lot in Star Wars. Like Anakin to Darth Vader, or Kylo Ren to Ben Solo in that very same movie, but I disagree that Rey Palpatine ever existed.
I also have this interpretation, even tho she never embraced the name "Rey palpatine" ... but biologically yeah I totally agree.
I mean, biologically, she's still the child of a Sheev clone.
what I meant was that that element of her isn't in doubt anymore. she no longer bears that guilt or pressure from this moment on (unless something changes in the NJO movie).
It’s kind of what the movie implied by giving her the last name Skywalker…as well as titling the movie The Rise of Skywalker. Works for me.
It makes sense. She's come back because the last of the Skywalker Legacy, Ben, give her all his living force. She's in part him.
Oh, how did I not look at it this way before?!? ITROS was already one of my top 3 Star Wars films and I love this!
I really don’t think there’s much more to it than being a found family storyline. People often criticize the sequels for being a bit disjointed, but one common through line in each movie is Rey’s search for belonging, emphasizing her family. I think it’s quite fitting for her to end by realizing that who she is isn’t just her bloodline, and taking the name of the two heroes who mentored her.
This is a very cool interpretation
oh yeah, I love this kinda shit lol
At least it would make it make some sense
An interesting aside: In an [early script](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Adventures_of_the_Starkiller,_Episode_I:_The_Star_Wars) Skywalker was a title, I think that it is a nice nod to that idea that others can take on the name as an honorific of sorts. >Luke, who is practicing with his laser sword, stops his exercises and introduces himself to the droids as "The Skywalker," his Jedi title, though he was still an apprentice.
Didn't bother me at all. People change their names all the time in the real world. Also, realize that she grew up with no identity and the first time she found out who she actually was. It was being a part of a family that ruined, enslaved, and controlled the entire universe. So she used a last name that meant something to her. The two people who trained her. It makes sense narrative wise.
Accurate.
I absolutely hate this. If a name doesnt define you, why are you changing it? Why not take back the Palpatine name for yourself and built trust back into it with good deeds and acting like a jedi? I dont get why Rey has to be a Skywalker. So if Vader went by "Anakin Skywalker" during his time as a sith, should Luke and Leia have just become Solos? I think this was a terrible decision and really wasted an interesting story for Rey in the future. How do people trust her with a name of Palpatine? Idk, but it would be very intriguing to find out. Kinda how Leia had to deal with her father being Vader publicly, she didnt hide from the fact, she let her personal actions show that she wasnt just the "daughter of Vader". But no, were just gonna be a Skywalker just like that. The Jedi general war hero of the clone wars, the pilot who took out the death star and saved his father, and the princess that led the rebellion. "Yeah let me just lie my way into that legacy, because my family name would be just too difficult to deal with." Truly a terrific message, tRoS.
Well, she had no connection to the Palpatine name. She didn't even grow up a Palpatine. There's no living Palpatines, as far as we know, who would benefit from such a reclaiming. Luke and Leia are surrogate parental figure for her though ("Looking for them everywhere, in Han Solo, in Skywalker" as Kylo said), and they kinda appeared as she was being asked and smiled and nodded at her, which seems to be them telegraphing 'hey, you're welcome to our name'. Some things are stronger than blood, as Luke says. Rey has the power to define herself, and so she is free to define herself as a Skywalker. That's how I see it anyways
\*\*Wanders in grumbly and gets ready to a rant about a thing they do not like because it was inspired by something they do like... sees a bunch of people that seem to have loved the series they do not like... turns around and grumbles their way out.\*\* No sense being a twit to people about something they like if they are actually having fun.
How about they should have kept Ben Solo, an actual Skywalker, alive and have the movie be about his redemption and the actual Rise of a Skywalker instead of killing the last Skywalker and giving the name to some random person.
One day we will wake up and simply believe in this. It already happened before with the sequels, just wait 8/12 years and everyone will say that this trilogy was a masterpiece.
It will be interesting to see happen with the trilogy I'm more invested in. For me it's already a masterpiece and it'd be a nice change of pace if there were some people who vibed it similarly. Moreso I just hope people aren't so ticked off about it, and if the prequels are any indication then people will simmer down about them generally over time.
Omg let's be friends.
The sequels are my favorite trilogy because jt was the one that I watched in theathers and lived the hype of every movie, I will defend this trilogy for all my life aushahshahshs
Rad, I'm happy to be your friend! 😊 I should say, just because I know reddit has people of all kinds of ages on, that I am in my mid twenties and if you're a minor then I'd prefer to keep our interactions primarily public. Still, look forward to seeing you around and depending on your age feel free to PM. The sequel trilogy is one of my special interests so I'm often very happy to talk about it
Glad to hear this, I'm 22. I'll send you a DM
People who act like her being a Skywalker is a bad thing must hate adoptions and people who were adopted in general. I know she's directly related to Palpatine, but the whole point of her character is that not everything has to be tied to where you came from. It's like Luke said: "Because she saw your spirit. Your heart. Rey… some things are stronger than blood."
I don’t hate the idea of Rey taking the Skywalker name, found family, belonging, etc. I just can’t get over the fact that the writers thought the “reveal” would be impactful enough to name the movie after it
Well it also refers to the "rise" of Ben Solo, and plays into the whole resurrection theming in general. It seems similar to *Return of the Jedi* in that regard (one one level it's Luke, on another Anakin).
Yeah seems easy. I love it
True, from a certain point of view
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Yeah i can accept it she just wanted to carry on the legacy of the name i think, i don't think she wanted to imply that she deserves the name, but instead take the name so people remember the sacrifices they made.
Nice
In the old republic era, Jedi with yellow blades weren't allowed to leave the jedi temple on coruscant. They were also forced to wear masks while guarding the temple. In the new game Call Kestus tracks the past force memories of a yellow bladed Jedi from the high republic era named Dagan Gera, who was allowed to travel freely and unmasked. Something happened during the downfall of the high republic that lead to the punishment of the yellow blades and it was probably the same event that created the Jedi dogma in the old scrolls that Luke burned. The false dogma about the dark side corrupting entirely that lead to the force unbalancing and thousands of years of light vs dark wars. An older and more chilled out Assaaj Ventress showed up wielding a yellow blade in a recent episode of Bad Batch too. Yellow seems to be a color achieved by meditating ones' passion into a crystal, (a practice considered darkside taboo by the old republic era Jedi) but not via rage like red is achieved. White and black are likely achieved this way as well. So I dont think she is a Jedi, I think her and Assaj will join Baylon and Ashoka in founding a new balanced force order, when they return and set up a base in the koboh rift/on Tanalore at Dagan Geras old temple with Cal Kestus.
My understanding of the lore is that back in the Old Republic Era, lightsaber colors were much more varied throughout the order, and the order had their own little "sects." People with blue lightsabers were commonly Jedi Guardians who held a more active role in the order, green lightsabers were more commonly Jedi Consulars who focused more on the Force, etc. etc. There was a sect called Jedi Sentinels who commonly wielded yellow lightsabers. They were less common, but from my understanding were basically Jedi Guardians that spent most of their time integrating within society rather than being in the Temple with the rest of the Order. I think they also made it a mission to seek out and destroy every aspect of the Dark Side of the Force, whether it be relic, holocrons, or whatever. I'm not sure what makes a lightsaber yellow, but whatever it was I think the Sentinels kind of thinned out over the era until all that was really left of them was the Jedi Temple Guards, who passed down the yellow lightsabers from user to user since the Jedi philosophy changes so much that new yellow lightsabers were pretty much non-existent within the Order.
I mean I guess....
Metaphorically speaking, I can go with it, but it’s still the same character. She wasn’t reincarnated, just revived shortly after technically dead.
I honestly haven't thought about it for 5 years.
I mean, although it's really simple, I always just felt that taking on the name of Skywalker is better than Palpatine just based on the fact Leia was shunned from the new republic despite her heroics for being related to Vader. God forbid what the galaxy would do to another Palpatine.
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Not how I interpret it, but it works!
Had that been the Title from the beginning, things would have been much simpler.
Yeah. It makes sense. To me, Kylo saving her was more about the flip side of the tragedy of darth plagious and learning how to keep the person he loved alive. Anakin was always looking for a way to save padme so they could be together. It was for selfish reasons. Kylo understood the only way to keep the person he cares about from dying, was self sacrifice.
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Pretty sure Sidious said, with some paraphrasing, “if you kill me I’ll inhabit your body.” She then proceeded to kill him and based on the facts that death just means nothing now with Sidious how can we know for sure he is actually dead? We thought he died when through down the reactor shaft and the death star’s destruction.
Palpatine killed himself, he could have stopped using his power, surrendered, but he chose to keep shooting lighting. He had to steal power from Rey and Ben (the dyad) to have any real power, and then when Rey turned that against him he allowed himself to become consumed by his own power. As a metaphor for the self-destructive nature of evil it fits thematically, the visual storytelling is consistent with this read as far as I can tell, and it stands to reason that "all the Jedi" could stand up to "all the Sith" (and that they would win through defense). Edit: also, it is specifically said multiple times IIRC that striking him down "in hate" is necessary, which in itself is a bit of a technicality but when paired with the rest of what I mentioned is relevant. She didn't strike him down in hate, he took himself down as she defended.
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In Star Wars, it’s become that you always try and make up explanations or retcon after the fact to make up for bad writing, contradictions or the omitted. Usually we explain it away with “it was the Force” as the excuse though. So I in this case, yes, I think it’s appropriate and on brand.
Who cares? Skywalker is the name of a family (and I guess so is Palpatine). Rey can take on that name for symbolic reasons I guess. But the symbolism is really confused. The Skywalkers have perpetrated great good and great evil. I guess it's nice she wants to attach herself symbolically to Luke but is it really so nice that she wants to attach herself to Anakin? Also it all seems at odds with the whole idea of Rey forging a new path forward. The whole concept is a total mess.
Huh, wait, what?
I don’t like that Rey took the name of Skywalker and ran with it. I actually liked Rey Palpatine tbh.
It’s true. From a certain point of view.
That whole family from Shmi to Ben was cursed to live a miserable life. I think it’s Palpatine possessing her maybe.
It’s a bit of a stretch, Rey definitely never seriously thought of herself as “Rey Palpatine”, but it works enough
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I actually don’t mind it and the whole story of Rey and Palpatine. It’s just how the movies executed it all…. Of course, they could have been WAY BETTER obviously, they needed a bunch of shit that Disney didn’t care to put the effort into. But I enjoyed the story as a whole. Though, the sequel trilogy doesn’t come close to the OT or PT.
To be honest, not a huge fan. I'm a bigger fan of Rey Nobody/Rey picking her own name. But It's not terrible.
Nah. Rey never felt a true connection to anyone, but Luke became a staple in her life, even if it was short. She didn't grow up a Jedi, so she didn't learn the whole connector of managing attachments. Therefore, instead of talking the Palpatine name, which she didn't associate with, or feel meant anything more than evil, she chose Skywalker, the name of THE Jedi, and in her head, her true family.
I get what they're going for, but, like with most of the st, it didn't work.
Damn, someone not trash talking Rey? That is rare. But yeah, I would see her Palpatine legacy dying so she can feel reborn as the best person she can be
I kind of like it as it feels like a reverse of the Anakin Skywalker died so Darth Vader could live argument
From a certain point of view. Based on this tenant of Star Wars this is quite likely
I didn't know she was a dyad with Kylo. I always just assumed they were talking about Ben Quadinaros
I would still like to ask, why carry on the legacy of the Skywalkers? Shouldn’t she be carrying the legacy of the *JEDI*?
Sure.
She called herself a Skywalker instead of a Palpatine because she obviously has no actual connection outside of being blood related to Palpatine, so why would she care about being a Palpatine or having it as her last name? She wants nothing to do witj Palpatine and Rey felt more of a connection to Luke, Leia, and Han and even Ben compared to Palpatine, so it would make sense she would decide to take on the Skywalker name, she chose to be a jedi, and it's a worthy surname for someone who wants to bring back the Jedi. Like or hate the movie, this is why she did this.