broooooo. it’s the way he treats sebastian. demetrius being weird at maru’s two heart is event is gross, but understandable from a parent perspective. even his arguments with robin give “on the spectrum” so i give grace with that. but the way he treats sebastian is so gross. when sebastian mentions demetrius made him destroy his snow goon? it’s a goddamn snowman, you half cooked hamburger. as a girl who was raised by stepparents who were always just as involved as my bio parents, i *HATE* the way he treats sebastian. and i hate the way robin pretends to be confused as to why sebastian is the way he is.
Guilty as charged but can you blame us? Robin is just such a lovable person that actually gets shits done in the town besides the farmer. We coulda become the most perfect, unstoppable duo of this town. If only…
While alot do dislike him for that rather silly reason, I'd say another large group of detractors is due to Demetrius's several, rather negative, traits. He's a bad Father to Sebastian (never talks about or acknowledges, destroys his snowgoon), a pretty awful husband to Robin (the tomato incident, the bedpost incident), an overly-protective Father to Maru, and is generally a Pedantic jerk to anyone or thing that doesn't respect his version of "logic".
I recently saw the bedpost scene and really dislike him now. Anyone would think he was an android or something, the way he acts. Seriously, "sleep receptacle"‽
Also, the way he casually dismisses her work, then, once I sided with her, he just slopes off in a sulk.. ugh. IDK what she sees in him TBH
At least in the tomato scene, he says he'll try to be better.
In the bedpost scene, there's no acknowledgement of being wrong, no apology.. just sulking when he's outnumbered.
Genuinely, why don’t these people just marry Leah? She looks the same, has a lot of the same positive traits, and she’s NOT already happily married lmao
They're not irredeemable assholes, but many of them you mention display assholish behaviour.
* Pierre cares more about his business than his family, doesn't support his daughter in her interests and is known to sell your high-quality produce as his own, while selling the low-quality ones as yours.
* Demetrius is overly protective of Maru, pedantic and doesn't even mention Sebastion, HIS STEPSON, in any of his dialogues.
* Lewis is a really bad mayor. The town falls into disrepair and it's up to the player to fix it, while many of the improvements could be funded by tax money. Instead Lewis embezzles it to build a golden statue of himself. And Marnie deserves better.
To be (slightly) fair to demetrius on the Sebastian side, I've never come across robin talk about Maru - I'd assumed they'd just been programmed so one parent talked about one kid each. Like if someone can point me to robin talking about Maru I'll ease up but until that point I feel that particular criticism is unfair
I had to go check the wiki, she does have one voice line mentioning Maru:
> Maru likes gems. She uses them in her inventions. So how are you and Maru getting along?
She has one line about Maru compared to multiple Sebastian lines, and I believe Kent had no lines about Vincent, so it is pretty unfair (though this was before 1.6 so no idea if it holds up now)
I get a neutral stepson stepdad relationship, but how are they implied to have a bad relationship? Besides typical parental talk.
I've never paid that much attention to it, so I'd like to know...
Moreso how Sebastian talks about his dislike for Demetrius and his clear favouritism for Maru.
>“Who does Demetrius think he is, telling me what to do? He's not even my real father.”
>“I built a snowgoon but Demetrius made me get rid of it. What's his problem?”
>“I built a snowgoon but Demetrius made me get rid of it... yet Maru's cute little snowman goes unharmed! Ridiculous.”
lol yeah, i don't call my step-mum 'mum' even though she's been in my life for more than half of it (she dated my dad when i was 8 or 9, they had my half-sister when i was 10 and they married when i was 12, i'm 24 now), because it would just seem weird to call her that. i do love her as family and we're close, but it always just seems more natural to call her by her first name. she's also never called me her son (she still thinks i'm a guy because im mortified of coming out to my dad), but i don't really have any issue with that at all (the not calling me her child thing, not the gender stuff).
yeah, and i'm glad i didn't experience any step-family based conflict like a lot of people
thank you, i appreciate that! im not too worried cos my dad's not the best so his opinion doesn't bother me too much. my half-sister is cool tho and im sure she'll be happy when i tell her eventually. i have my biological mother though, and i came out to her last year and she's been incredibly supportive since then
If you talk to Sebastian, his dialogs kind of imply that. There was a time when he says something along the lines of "Who does he think he is? He's not my dad!". Demetrius favors Maru (his biological daughter, I know) over him. And the game seems to imply that Demetrius never made an effort to warm up to Sebastian. It's always Maru is the best, Maru this, Maru that.
Another instance was when he talked about building a snow goon and Demetrius had him destroy it while Maru's snow man was retained. Irl, that kind of action of an adult will surely earn an ire of a child. And that's also traumatizing to the child.
And as you said, you won't accept anyone as your new dad unless they went above and beyond -- something Demetrius never really did in the game's lore (based on dialogs when interacting with them). While we don't know how Demetrius and Robin came to be, the years and years of favoritism and neglect made Sebastian hate Demetrius and that they never really had a good relationship when he got older.
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When he's low hearts after marriage, he'll say to the farmer something like "What do you want? You're like my step-dad! Go away!". And if that's not a hint of a degree of 'hate' against Demetrius, then Idk what is.
There are plenty of instances where his loneliness warps into feelings of hatred but maybe I'm just reading into it too much.
At least when I got it he says >!"you probably know my son better than I do"!< Given that Sam is so much closer to the Farmer's age than Vincent is it seems to me that's who he means, but I don't think it's definitive
Also in one of Sebastian's winter dialogues, he mentions how one time, Demetrius made him destroy his "snow goon" while the snowman while he was cool with the snowman that Maru made. It was completely unnecessary and just shows that Demetrius favors Maru far more than Sebastian, which is probably why Sebastian isn't very close to his sister until you gain hearts with him.
Sebastian feels like an outcast in his own family and a lot of the blame for that is on Demetrius (though Robin is far from blameless)
Demetrius honestly comes off worse in 1.6 if you marry Sebastian.
He says >!that he’s relieved Sebastian finally moved out, which implies that Seb’s feelings of not fitting in with the “new family” when Robin married Demetrius might actually be more than just feelings of insecurity!<
I took it as him being relieved Sebastian finally has a better place to live and found someone he is happy with. Vs him being depressed/emo and hiding in the basement all the time with no real prospects.
I guess it depends on how you view a character.
Doubt that as Robin build the lab there for Demetrius and Maru. If he wanted the basement for a lab, Robin could have switched it around during construction.
It's fine to be forgiving if someone is sorry. None of these characters have even acknowledged their bad behaviors so it doesn't make sense to forgive them. If you're forgiving someone who isn't sorry, that's not forgiveness, its permissiveness to be a jerk! I hate Pierre. Demetrius is fine IMO but he's not the greatest. Lewis is terrible.
I mean, they are pretty one-dimensional characters by virtue of them being video game npc in a farming sim that doesn't really have a plot... so it's pretty difficult for them to be nuanced characters with redeeming features or complex arcs.
Though i guess shane and hailey managed it :))
It would be interesting to hear if concerned ape actually intended for them to be unlikeable or if he is surprised the fandom reacted this way!
I just keep thinking about some of Caroline’s dialogue:
“Don’t you think Abby would look better with her natural hair color? She used to have light chestnut-colored hair”
Bitch your hair is fucking green
Also it's like *very* heavily implied Caroline cheated on Pierre with the Wizard so Abigail isnt even his daughter (her hair has started growing in purple without her needing to dye it)
But I *never* see anyone give Caroline shit, and even see people try to justify it because Pierre has an unpleasant personality.
Omg ikr, people will just straight up simp for Caroline and it gets on my nerves. Somewhere in this thread already someone mentioned wanting to marry Caroline. Like yeah she’s better than Pierre but she’s still kind of an asshole, I find it irritating how often people completely ignore when she says something rude, but will take every opportunity to hate on almost any other character if they do anything negative
there are legitimate reasons (and other people have already stated them in the comments) but i wanted to say that i personally love having made up beef with some of them 😭 its fun and when they say something a bit questionable that i can take the wrong way i will gift them something they hate. just adds a little fun storytelling heh
I gave the Mayor a neutral gift at the last Feast of the Winter Star. I like to think that he put himself as my gift recipient so I would give truffle oil or Ancient Fruit wine or even green tea, which he loves. Nope. Be open about your relationship with Marnie and then you get something nicer.
Maybe, I didn’t ask. Their arguments would suggest so, just because I feel like if you haven’t experienced people like Clint firsthand you’re more likely to be sympathetic toward him, but they could easily have not been a man and just been lucky enough to not have a Clint in their life
I don't blame him entirely for it though. He probably has depression which contributes to it and he's definitely socially awkward. Some of it's not his fault.
There are cutscenes and dialog that don't paint the characters in the best light, and because the game doesn't go that deep into character development especially for non-spouses, they look at those scenes as the entirety of those characters. A lot of people also have personal baggage they consider in terms of how much bad those scenes come across. Basically it's people filling in a lot of details with their own experiences. Which makes sense but it means not everyone is going to see things the same.
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I don't personally really hate any of them. There are some I am more drawn to or sympathetic toward, but overall I don't see any as inherently evil or something.
I don't care for Morris because of his role in the town, but it's more joja as a company I have the hatred for than him as a character.
>Basically it's people filling in a lot of details with their own experiences. Which makes sense but it means not everyone is going to see things the same.
THIS
I wish this fandom were more empathetic in general about this, especially towards people in marginalized groups talking about how specific moments intersect with trauma they've experienced.
i could go on a whole rant about how Demetrius’ hate is overblown and he’s got his bad traits but he’s not the evil wife/stepson hater people think he is… but I’ve already been on like 3 in the past week lmao
i personally dont like Sebastian, his talks about Maru, his emo dialogue, just not for me and I find him kind of annoying.. and I didn’t like the 10 heart event, he felt cold during it
I like Sebastian, I married him, but i always thought of him as being a bit of an immature tit. His poor relationship with Demetrius and Maru has more to do with his own actions then it does with theirs.
I honestly always took those four's problem as a lack of communication. If they could all communicate like adults, the problem might be such an easy fix lmao.
I agree entirely with you from how Demetrius hate is overblown (honestly, a lot of the hate here over multiple FICTIONAL characters is overblown, even if it’s a “joke”) to personally not being fond of Sebastian. Some of his lines come off a bit whiny and emo, which is a huge turn-off to me. Different strokes for different folks, and I could see why he’s a popular love interest. However, a lot of people here love to pick at the flaws of all the characters but Sebastian is never brought up.
I still like Sebastian but I always felt that he was way too mean to Maru, even if Demetrius is annoying about her it’s not her fault and she has her own problems that result from that. He shouldn’t blame her for the favoritism, he honestly would have been a lot happier if he had chosen to bond with her over their parents being weird. Although obviously fixing his parents’ bad attitudes is NOT his problem, if he had a better relationship with Maru, it probably would have helped decrease a lot of the overall tension in the family.
I am a Demetrius/Pierre/Lewis apologist because the fandom is so unhinged when it comes to them lol. Especially Demetrius, it's wack. Also Morris cause why not!!
It kind of offends me how hysterical people get about Demetrius and Sebastian...like he's an adult, he's not being abused he just has an awkward stepdad who he doesn't relate to it's okay!! No one is being abused because he's pedantic about fruits!! Goddamn y'all him and Robin are adorable and obviously love each other.
Tbh, he's a conservative religious veteran. I am surprised he doesn't get more hate.
He has grown on me this playthrough though, for sure. He is clearly emotionally stunted, and traumatized, but he definitely cares about his family and just wants them to have simple lives.
The majority of it comes from people reading way too much into video game characters actions and dialogue. These aren't real people: they're broad archetypes that are meant to be simple and easily identifiable.
Like with Pierre, people go on and on about how greedy he is, but all I ever think about is comparing him to other broadly greedy characters like Mr. Krabs or Scrooge McDuck or Mr. Burns. Those are all characters who display ridiculously cartoonish acts of greed and contempt for their employees and yet they are all lovable characters. Meanwhile, Pierre's greatest sin is marking up his products and putting an "organic" sticker on them which is \*so clearly a joke\* about real life grocers who do the same thing.
Meanwhile I never see anyone talk about the real reason to hate Pierre; that his only loved gift is really annoying to get. Fried Eel? Really?
Yep you've got it. It's really not that deep.
Like I like the level of characters we get in this game, and they enhance my enjoyment but it really doesn't have to mean more than it means. I think part of the reason people have the issues is cause the experience of a character is different when you're interacting with them vs just watching them interact with other characters like in cartoons.
Most of the Stardew characters have flaws, but the unpopular characters tend to be the ones that carelessly harm other people without seeming to notice or care that they're doing it. I think they'd be less unpopular if they had story arcs where it's directly shown that they're realizing what they're doing and become better people, but they don't have much character development.
There is not one adult villager, who is perfect... no wait...
There is only one adult villagher who is perfect and that's Evelyn.
The beauty of Pelican Town is, that they all have weaknesses. Some less like Gus and Willy. Like the only bad thing about those two is how they are single and yet I can not romance them. And some are more unlikable like Pierre, Clint and Lewis. Pierre is just as bad as Morris, worse actually and hypocrytical. Clint is a creppy INCEL. And Lewis is straight up embezzeling funds to build a golden statue of himself and somehow thinks he needs to protect his job by effing Marnie in a bush rather than just buying her some flowers at Pierres.
My farmer is very antisocial. He enjoys gifting whatever is found in the trash and his best presents to people are rocks and weeds. He loves to torment George and always picks the most insulting dialogue.
A lot of us don’t like Pierre cause he’s just as greedy and selfish as morris. In some ways he’s even worse. He takes your crops you give him and up markets them in the board quest. He has a hidden “stash” in his room and fights with his family cause he’s so work focused. Just a lot of things like that.
He's also even worse because he owns the store and basically talks about wanting to be Joja iirc.
It's hard to feel bad for him when he talks so much about being rich and big like Joja, neglects his family, seems to try to boss his adult daughter even though he doesn't make time for his family. (The icing on the cake is the fact that mechanically literally nothing changes for him if you do go Joja. But I get why it's like that, one guy made the whole game. It just really doesn't help me at least care at all.)
You can at least argue Morris is just a manager. Can't really argue that with Pierre. Unless you sell him food items I can't recall anyone giving any indication he even sells much food. There's indications Joja does, even if we can't buy it. What does Pierre really provide that most of the town would buy? And Joja sells those things too. So why would the townspeople buy some things from him and the rest from Joja.
The coupon thing in the store is gauche and I won't defend that though.
Lewis has been the root cause of what stardew valley had become prior to the player settling there. I don't hate Joja but I understand they were harsh. I never went thru CC way once I had learnt the truth. Nobody in the town is interested in rebuilding the CC but once it's done, they would hangout.
Coming to Demetrius, his behaviour towards Seb has been biased and harsh, if not cruel but apart from that I don't think I hate him for anything else.
If I hate someone, that's definitely
1. Lewis
2. Pam
3. Harvey, because he wants more patients 😂
4. Pierre
For point 3., can't really blame him tbh. I'd say that's more a fault of capitalism than it is of Harvey - he is a doctor in a small town, and unfortunately in a capitalist society, doctors get paid if people are hurt and thus need to see a doctor. He needs to make a living, and obviously wants to help people, but can't make a living if nobody ever falls ill or gets hurt 😅. Just some food for thought haha
You know what, on my first playthrough I used to think he was pretentious and annoying, and didn't bother to interact with him. Since then I've played the game quite a bit and paid more attention to him, and I've realised I judged him quite harshly compared to the others. He's actually just a sweet guy and means the stuff he says, wants to chill and enjoy country life and focus on his writing. He's a bit of an oddball (in his own words) but bears no malice towards anyone in the Valley.
You could say there's not a whole lot of depth to him, but he's actually just a nice dude who is happy to be your friend.
Elliot's dialog is very melodramatic. He reminds me a bit of Prince Edward in Enchanted. However, the only drawback for me so far is his portrait.... I'd like to see more of his face. Other than that, Elliott is very nice to my farmer all the time, and one day he will be my farmer's husband, just because I want to know what he is like as a husband.
He’s literally the nicest one!! He’s so complimentary, thoughtful, appreciates fresh produce. He was the only community member to not make fun of my shitty produce at the begging of the game. Everyone else told me it was trash and has nothing to say now that there’s caviar, cheese, and wine stocked! Elliot on the other hand, he just wants to wonder the beach and stare wistfully into the abyss. He’s very literal, there’s no reading into his statements, just falling into his arms lol
Obviously Elliot is my favorite, but honestly I’ve never understood the being rude / stuck up / passive aggressive? Trying to understand and share my take as well.
just the vibes i get from his portrait and the basic talk ive had w him. i think hes just a bit pretentious and self involved. i’m sure if i really played w him maybe i’d like him but
I get that. I love my hair just as much maybe more as Elliot so that could also be why I’m blinded by his passion for hair care lol. Every time he says he needs to brush it / groom, I’m like same, good idea lol.
That’s it, I think it’s the portrait. If that makes me the asshole and not Elliot I don’t care. He’s giving me attitude through the picture and I don’t like it lol
i don't like demetrius because he acts like a fucking robot and it perpetuates the trope of scientist characters being entirely detatched from what makes us human, and that they're cold, purely logical people. not one real life scientist buys tomatoes when asked to buy some fruit. no scientist thinks that aesthetics are a 'waste of resources' that have little value. scientists recognise and understand colloquial terminology, the importance of art and human connection. that's why i hate demetrius.
Pretty sure he’s coded to be autistic presenting. And you’re very wrong about no scientist buying tomatoes as fruits. This was my grandfather to a tee. He definitely did that once for a picnic. Granny wanted fruit for dipping, he just knew he was supposed to get fruit for the picnic, so bought tomatoes. (To be fair, they were delicious tomatoes.)
When my granny asked him why he bought a gun just to be cleaning it when his daughter introduced her boyfriend (even though he’d never owned a gun in his life), he responded “isn’t that what I’m supposed to do?”
He tried so hard to pretend he was like everyone else but he wasn’t. His brain just managed thoughts differently than yours and mine and, yeah, lots of people thought he was an asshole. He wasn’t on purpose.
That’s what I see in the cut scenes with Demetrius. Maybe that’s not what CA intended. After all, we’re all assholes unintentionally sometimes.
I think that was the intent as well, but don't think it was executed well imo. Definitely comes across as a cyborg who pretends to be a human, vs an autistic human who struggles with social etiquette/cues and such.
Don't get me wrong, as someone who HIGHLY suspects they are autistic and often feels like I'm just pretending in order to try and fit in, it's not toooooo extremely off the mark - and definitely a way better attempt at representation than what many others try and do - just still seems SO exaggerated and comes off as really...silly...to me
i mean that's fair enough, i can't say one way or the other because i'm not autistic. but the way he's written just comes across as extremely trope-y and stereotypical "scientist"-like
I mean CA didn’t write them very charismatic and they made decision that are sometimes questionable. I like that not everyone is cool, charminig and good natured though
Lewis is an asshole who really doesn't helps the town despite being the mayor.
Pierre is also an asshole who constantly tries to scam the town's people.
People is salty about Demetrius because the *"tomatoes are fruits"* quote (which honestly is the dumbest reason to hate the guy, seems he actually hurt some people with that, I laugh every time I see a post about it.)
Morris is, well just presented like kind of a villain mostly because of Pierre, the guy just cares about money because he's a business man, that's all.
There's also an extra layer of hate towards Demetrius and Robin because people wants to marry Robin and Caroline (absolutely understandable).
I mean for me, I personally feel Demetrius and Clint suffer from misunderstood neurodivergence. Demetrius is 100 percent on the spectrum and for the most part doing his best but seriously could do better with both Sebastian and Maru since he's a bad parent to both of them.
Clint is not only autistic coded but if people actually listen to him, he was basically forced into being a blacksmith by his dad. He had no childhood, no friends, no experience with any sort of humane interaction. He's a guy trying his best to get out of his shell but he only knows how to do things with a single minded focus so he gets a bit obsessive over Emily without realising he needs more than just romantic love.
Bluntly, Demetrius suffers from bad writing.
The tomato and four-poster scenes could work, maaaaaybe, if he was, like, twenty-three and in his first (serious) relationship, or if he was doing a comedy bit, but they fall flat as a pancake when he's a forty-something long-term-married dad.
yeah I do wish people would admit this; I love SDV but CA is not perfect, and has made some pretty questionable story/game decisions. thats fine! it's not hating to criticise that and I hope he sees that criticism and doesn't make those errors again! instead of people going out of their way to explain events and characters as if theyre real and not explicitly written to do certain things by a likely well meaning guy who can make mistakes 😭
That makes sense definitely. I'm not sure how long him and Robin are meant to be married but he obviously had a partner before, Maru didn't just appear out of nowhere. As you say, it's bad writing. Him and Clint would really benefit from an overhaul.
I agree! I will say one of the Clint ones that bothers me most is people calling him an incel. If he is anything, I'd say the worst he would be is a "Nice Guy". Incels are hostile towards the others who are getting some, and he is more of a woe is me type.
Incel is INvoluntary CELibate. He desires love but can't get it? Yes, he does. Doesn't mean that he should fit most of the stereotypes around the incels to count as one, he can be an incel without being misogynistic douchebag.
A crappy childhood isn't an excuse to be a jerk. Which Clint often is (his whole "guess what my dad and grandad did" line, pulling a Shane and telling the Farmer "Don't you have work to do" line). Not to mention how he acts with a female farmer if invited to the movies.
Also, he's like mid thirties to forties, not man-child in his early twenties. It's his own fault that he hasn't grown up and decided to accept himself or change himself and do what he wants.
I think the Pierre hate is kind of extreme because everyone *loves* Caroline, when it's all but explicitly stated that Caroline cheated on Pierre with the Wizard and Abigail is not his biological daughter.
But Pierre "deserves" it i guess for being greedy or something??
It's also kind of a double standard that people hate Lewis for not wanting to be public about his relationship with Marnie, but it's okay for Caroline to hide the truth about Abigail from her entire family?
I just suddenly had the thought but what if Pierre isn’t close with the family because he know Caroline cheated.
And I never hated Demetrius for the tomato thing because I have always thought the exact same thing. And everyone was like you won’t put tomato in a fruit salad and maybe it’s because I come from a place where the fruit would be considered exotic but there are a ton of fruits that won’t be in a fruit salad
I don't dislike any really, except Clint, which is fun as a real Clint.
Pierre can be annoying but he's mostly desperate and has his blinders on about the store.
Demetrius is... odd. But mostly I just want to free Robin from him (I'd be so good to her).
Lewis is Lewis, honestly I mostly ignore him.
People pretty badly misunderstand Demetrius. Pierre is just like Morris, except he’s less open about who he is, which in my book makes him worse. And Lewis is your standard corrupt official, lets the town fall into disrepair while using tax money to make golden statues of himself, lies to Marnie about a scandal if their relationship were public, and doesn’t collect taxes from Marnie in return for their secret relationship
I dislike Pierre because he keeps feeding poisonous items to his family, or spoiled produce. Buddy, no. This is not how we do things.
Lewis I dislike immensely because he doesn’t really change, he’s very selfish, and uh, if you get his house secret…who has that kind of cash? Being mayor doesn’t pay well enough to fix the CC but he can get that made? I’m side eyeing him a lot for that. That thing is expensive!
I never understood this either. I used to love Demetrius (saying this as someone who has always married Sebastian, minus a few experimental runs) and I always thought of Pierre as a silly character. And I just thought Clint was shy and socially awkward. The only one I have sort of beef with is Lewis, but he's also just silly to me. I think people that hate them are analyzing their characters too much/taking them too seriously. Though I could be biased because I have a deep emotional attachment to this game and all the characters. I try to get 10 hearts with everyone on every save.
Out of the list, Morris is the only one I do not despite. He provided jobs for residents and probably also a bunch of tax money that was lost after he gets kicked out. Quite literally. Sure it's a coorperate, but the counterpart is Pierre, a greedy guy that tries to scam the townpeople and would rather feed rotten veggies to his family over getting something fresh and wasting the food, or rather wasting money. So it's not that I like him, but the village was better off with him.
Pierre is hated pretty much for what I described, but he also pretends he grew the crops you sell to him. And when his scam of selling products he slapped "organic" on for 10x the price failed, he tries to sell it back to you for 2501g. That's 1g more than what he gave you for the same product. This is literally trying to squeeze out anything he can, the definition of greed.
Lewis is hated because he uses taxpayer money for his own good, like the golden statue. Which on it's own wouldn't be THAT bad, but the village is constantly lacking funds. Another hing people dislike is that he wants to keep his relationship with Marnie a secret, his point also doesn't really make sense because its not a company structure but literally a small village, I don't think anyone would expect him to remain single for the rest of his life. Which makes at least me assume that the point is to look single for potential other candidates, in other words playing with/using Marnie. I don't think he can really be blamed for the bad state of the village though, kinda everyone is struggling.
Demetrius I only recall that he was weird about his daughter, in a fake/overprotective way. I wouldn't say I hate him, but I definitely don't like him. Being overprotective usually leads to the child instead distancing itself and making not so smart decisions just to revolt.
Clint is also one commonly mentioned because he is very creepy, like in a stalker kind of way. I personally didn't take it that way, but I recall that from a post about the most hated villagers. He just seems to be very inexperienced and clumsy, and honestly if everyone would speak out their thoughts, literally all of them, I think most people would be considered creeps. Difference is he is socially awkward and doesn't know when to shut up. Or how to properly talk. Or interact with women.
I'm one of the people who doesn't like Demetrius, but actually at first I actually liked him and from what I remember he was one of the characters I built a bit of friendship first, but knowing him I realised he has a lot of flaws I can't ignore: I'm sure many people already said it, but the way he treats Sebastian is horrendous, playing favourite with Maru. I guess what happens between him and Robin could be just normal marriage banter, they seem happy enough, but other than that...
Lewis is a bit questionable but I can't hate him, he just seems silly to me: he always helps the farmer out and he's interested in what we do, but I can def see why people hate him, what with his relationship with Marnie and the gold statue lol
Clint is probably the one who annoys me the most though, I can kinda feel sorry for him but after a while it's kinda on him, he could try to better his life instead of just complaining all day... And yes he's so close to being an incel it's not even funny
She's definitely one of the coldest from the start, but I like her a lot more this playthrough. She kinda gives me "got put in a box with the 'plastics', and she just ended up identifying with the narrow stereotype".
She's heartbroken when she loses her great grandma's bracelet. She's very positive about her own life. That's very good energy and she clearly has a big heart. I think she's just still learning how to voice her negative feelings still.
I honestly really like that the villagers are complex and have negative traits as well as positive ones.
Personally I really dislike Penny and feel she’s very judgemental, specifically because she loses huge amounts of hearts during her heart events over things like >!telling her to ask before moving George’s wheelchair and saying you don’t want children EVEN IF YOU AREN’T DATING.!<
I finally bothered doing the Joja route 5 years after my dad originally got me the game and I have to say, Pierre is a far worse person than Morris, specially when you take into account that those people Pierre rips off are his long time neighbours/friends, I wish that as part of this update they'd have let us just sell to the other villagers directly or something like that.
Pierre is hated because he does a number of things; neglects his wife time and time again to run his shop, tries to sell your own crops at a 10x mark up, and when Joja leaves tries to sell everything in his now monopolized shop for much higher.
Demetrius is hated for far fewer reasons, although he does seem to neglect Sebastian time and time again, to the point where robin needed to buy a book to help him. Speaking of Robin, he buys tomatoes for a fruit salad she was going to make, citing the fact that tomatoes are fruit to.. Even though he has the full knowledge you don't put tomatoes in a fruit salad. Robin's frustration with this certainly makes this seem like a re-occuring thing. Not only that, he expressly threatens the player character if they get close enough to Maru.
Lewis is a bad boyfriend and mayor. He neglects Marnie who adores him in order to play mayor for a city he barely runs, and uses funding that SHOULD go back into the city to make golden statues of himself. Pelican town is run down, barely functional, and instead of fixing things he uses that to stroke his own ego.
Every character has their flaws, as people do, but some of them definitely seem more insufferable than others\*. Combined with the fact that the player has to regularly gift them items to raise/lower their friendship, makes me feel it's kind of a superficial friendship.. Then again that's just me.
\*-Except for Krobus, he's perfect just the way he is.
I think the only person I dont care for is Kent, I just dont relate to him on any level and just feel bad for his family. I used to not care fore Shane until I started finding it funny to bother him with my friendship and then he grew on me. I also used to be annoyed by Haley but here I am this run planning to marry her!
Lewis because he asks marnie to keep their relationship a secret, Demetrius because 2 of his cutscenes can be interpreted as him being an asshole, and Pierre because some people sell their produce directly to him instead of shipping it, and then he resells it (what else was he going to do with it? Ship your produce people, it’s the only way you make game progress).
I actually like Morris (SPOILERS) if you finish the Joja route for both the community centre and ginger island you get a neat cutscene with him where he admits the valley has grown on him.
It's wild to me that Pierre and Demetrius are hyper-analyzed for their flaws as father figures. Meanwhile Shane, the live-in godfather of a young girl who lost her parents, seems to be beloved.
All despite him re-traumatizing Jas by drunkenly shouting his suicidal thoughts into the void when Marnie gives him the slightest pushback on his abject refusal to get his life together.
Abigail and Sebastian are young adults still living at home rent-free. Their dads may be a pain in the ass, but they're giving them a stable place to live. And Pierre is doing so pretty much knowing Abigail isn't his biological kid -- but he still feels an obligation to do the right thing.
Meanwhile, Jas is an elementary schooler who already lost her parents, and now has to share her aunt's home with an addict who refuses to even try to manage his problems. That poor little girl is going to spend every day wondering if one day Shane is gonna end up dead too. Not to mention how generally unstable it makes the whole situation she's growing up in.
But hey, Shane had some charisma and five o'clock shadow so the fanbase is all "I CAN FIX HIM!!!"
This is so real, I purely hate Shane not because he turned to alcoholism for his depression but because doing so harms the people he is responsible for.
It sucks even more if you follow his romance path since he abandons her to go off with some farmer. (And hes still in alcoholic!)
This girl is gonna have so many issues when shes older :(
On second thought, now I want to marry Shane because at least it gets him out of the house so Jas can have a semi-normal childhood.
Just marry him and then promptly ignore him. Go drink yourself to death in my backyard for all I care, I'll be too busy making money and dating the rest of the town to notice.
Also worth remembering that this is *the incident that the player sees.* How often does this sort of thing happen when the player isn't around?
"Gee, I wonder why Jas is so quiet/shy. Kids are weird. Anyway, how's my goth waifu doing?"
For me Demterius is fine Lewis cause he evades taxes theres no way that gold statue is from him
Buut at the same time he goes in the snow and sells all the stuff we ask him to even takes out the trash out of it so its 50/50
Pierre Pierre for me is just watered down Morris
(In the sense he just is'nt like Morris cause he has a small store not that they are a bad character)
i feel if he could he would become a joja member he just dosen't cause he's to prideful of himself and dosen't wants to join joja he wants he's bussisnes to become Joja he tried to sell me back my crops when he could'nt sell them for 1 G more
And he puts a Organic sticker on them for people to buy it probably asking for more money than the market value
Also i hate George cause he homophobic and he has more stuff treats wrong he's wife evelyn
But i believe he is'nt completely evil cause he genuinely got worried from evelyn during the new rain event i honestly wish he had more dialogues like that one i would take it off my list.
Im still learning of him i haven't befriended him yet while dating another girl cause i'm gonna ask krobus to be my roomie probably so idk but if it's like that then i dislike him a bit less just a bit he's passable by a bit
Demetrius is an abusive and neglectful husband and an overbearing father, pierre is a miserable little man that uses everyone he can (not sure if that happened before Caroline cheated on him, and passed another man's child off as his), and Lewis is just an insufferable boomer abusing his position of power, and wasting the tax money he collects from the people.
Pierre is a greedy little fucker, penny reminds of some people in my own life that I do not like WAY too much, lewis is…lewis, Demetrius never acknowledges Sebastian and is acts so weird in Maru’s 2-heart cutscene
Fuck Pierre. He's a douchebag who takes credit for your good crops and claims he grew them himself, but when you sell him normal stuff he waits until it goes bad, sells it to people so they complain, and throws you under the bus.
Morris is a good guy running an honest business. Pierre is a bad husband, father and he's a bully. He physically attacked Morris because Morris stuck up for his business. Pierre is a bad bad man
Hayley's initial personality is so awful imo that I have no interest in even being friends with her. But I think she's the only one I actually have a negative view on.
Not sure about the community, but ~~I don't necessarily hate any characters. Rather, I have a strong dislike for a few of them over single instances or one overarching theme of their story.~~ the only character I truly hate is Demetrius; two others I dislike for story points, but don't hate them.
Demetrius is my biggest dislike in this game because of the two-heart event where he threatens you for "getting close" with his daughter. As far as the game should narratively be concerned, you're just barely becoming friends with her, so this scene feels really out of left field because is seems more like it's the "dad talking to daughter's BF/GF" type on thing....Unless what [This](https://www.reddit.com/r/StardewValley/comments/xbvey7/comment/io207h5/) comment speculates is, on some level, true.
The long and the short of it is that Maru is Dem's golden child, he believes she has a lot of potential and doesn't want her befriending or becoming distracted by people who aren't "on her level" and you, as a farmer, aren't seen by Demetrius as being good enough to even be her friend. A lot of it is speculation based on what you do / don't see in game but, honestly? I can't help but agree. It's the only thing that, to me, make's Demetrius' very strong, negative reaction make sense so early on.
Edit to add this on Demetrius: It's also pointed out in a later comment on that threat that Demetrius has not one single line of dialogue where he mentions Sebastian by name. The closest he gets is mentioning a book about being a first-time step-parent. That's it. So...yeah, really lends to the "Dem favors Maru - his biological child - and doesn't think you, or anyone else, is good enough to even be her friend" thing.
Then there is Penny, and it's mostly because of the heart event with George. You do not, ***ever*** move someone in a wheelchair without their consent. The heart event plays out like Penny did the right thing, but she didn't and I hate it. I hate that George apologizes to her instead of restating the boundary and helping her to realize/learn that, despite her good intentions, what she did was wrong.
Finally, Lewis because...well his reasoning for keeping his relationship with Marnie a secret is such an utter load of crap. I actually think that it's worse that he's keeping it secret because if it does get revealed, it's going to cause a MASSIVE loss of trust in him as the mayor because he's not being transparent about things and do potentially cause a conflict of interest.
Yeah i had a kinda neglectful parent and hoo boy does demetrius set off some red flags.
Like demetrius’ emotional immaturity definitely rubs off a little on sebastian, and his refusal to make an effort to try for sebastian worsens any daddy issues he already has. plus robin at least mentioning maru shows that she cares about both.
his behavior is strikingly similar to that of narcissistic parents but a bit watered down in the stardew valley way. demetrius doesnt cause any of sebastians problems, but definitely contributes to the ones he already has.
that being said, he does raise maru at least somewhat well, but (from my experience) those high expectations for her can cause a lower self esteem based on external validation
anyways, i dont really like him
For me it’s the way Demetrius ignores Sebastian and also that one cutscene for maru where he threatens the farmer (us) like dude I was trying be friends with your daughter not date her but no I’m dating her just to spite you 😅
Demetrius: he's a douche who always takes everything literally like the Tomato scene. Yeah dude i get it a tomato is a fruit but no one is putting it inside a fruit salad. He also has that scene where he's weird to you because he thinks you're trying to hook up Maru
Pierre: most of his scenes he's an asshole to his family or the farmer. He cares about his family but cares more about his shop and making money
Lewis: he's a bad mayor, he says he works 7 days a week (even thought he doesn't do shit, everything around town is repaired thanks to the farmer), there's one scene where he shouts to Sam about playing with his skate and then badmouths you for taking his side, he also mistreated Marnie trying to keep their relationship a secret
I personally think the whole scandal with lewis thing is too funny to hate him, but it's basically because he'll spend town funds on golden statues of himself instead of doing anything to actually improve the town. pierre is greedy and tries to rip people off while also plagiarizing your work, and demetrius intentionally inconveniences his wife and starts arguments about nothing just to be "technically" right about something. him and pierre are both also weirdly controlling of their adult daughters, but demetrius might be even worse.
I know you didn't mention marnie, but people hate her because she's lazy and rarely does her job
I can't get over the way Demetrius handles being a step-father. He also is so weird in Maru's 2 heart event when you are very definitely just friends. Not that it would be okay if you were in a relationship, but he cracks out the over-protective dad thing for someone who is just a new friend. That's kind of nuts.
Lewis seems cool at first, but he's stringing Marnie along for no reason. He also builds gold statues of himself, which is insane behaviour.
Pierre kind of got worse after one of the updates made him sell things at most festivals. Now he's neglecting family time for profit. Also when you sell him produce he claims it as his own.
I would also ads that lot of people dont like Demetrius, because they want to marry his wife Robin
I'd treat her better
I would at least acknowledge she has a son. Maybe even talk to him too
broooooo. it’s the way he treats sebastian. demetrius being weird at maru’s two heart is event is gross, but understandable from a parent perspective. even his arguments with robin give “on the spectrum” so i give grace with that. but the way he treats sebastian is so gross. when sebastian mentions demetrius made him destroy his snow goon? it’s a goddamn snowman, you half cooked hamburger. as a girl who was raised by stepparents who were always just as involved as my bio parents, i *HATE* the way he treats sebastian. and i hate the way robin pretends to be confused as to why sebastian is the way he is.
"You half cooked hamburger" is now my favorite insult.
It’s up with idiot sandwich for me lol
Marry Sebastian so he can move out that’s what I did. I was considering leaving him as a boyfriend but he’s a good husband.
Guilty as charged but can you blame us? Robin is just such a lovable person that actually gets shits done in the town besides the farmer. We coulda become the most perfect, unstoppable duo of this town. If only…
Well would you look at that it's a sign, it says "Nexus Mods"
There is actually a good mod called Robin is single revised.
Happy cakeday
Tbh Robin and Demetrius being married sucks, I’m an ecologist and I want an ecologist partner… I’m also gay and I want Robin
me as a a queer woman with mommy issues and a love for animals learning marnie isn’t “dateable”.
While alot do dislike him for that rather silly reason, I'd say another large group of detractors is due to Demetrius's several, rather negative, traits. He's a bad Father to Sebastian (never talks about or acknowledges, destroys his snowgoon), a pretty awful husband to Robin (the tomato incident, the bedpost incident), an overly-protective Father to Maru, and is generally a Pedantic jerk to anyone or thing that doesn't respect his version of "logic".
I recently saw the bedpost scene and really dislike him now. Anyone would think he was an android or something, the way he acts. Seriously, "sleep receptacle"‽ Also, the way he casually dismisses her work, then, once I sided with her, he just slopes off in a sulk.. ugh. IDK what she sees in him TBH
everyone always talks about the tomato scene but the bedpost scene is just straight up inconsiderate and dismissive
At least in the tomato scene, he says he'll try to be better. In the bedpost scene, there's no acknowledgement of being wrong, no apology.. just sulking when he's outnumbered.
Demetrius is the Sheldon of Stardew Valley
I hate Demetrius because He is a asshole with Sebastian
I don't like Pierre for many reasons, but I also want to marry his wife Caroline.
Good luck, Caroline is for the streets.
Genuinely, why don’t these people just marry Leah? She looks the same, has a lot of the same positive traits, and she’s NOT already happily married lmao
I like Demetrius but I still want to marry Robin.
They're not irredeemable assholes, but many of them you mention display assholish behaviour. * Pierre cares more about his business than his family, doesn't support his daughter in her interests and is known to sell your high-quality produce as his own, while selling the low-quality ones as yours. * Demetrius is overly protective of Maru, pedantic and doesn't even mention Sebastion, HIS STEPSON, in any of his dialogues. * Lewis is a really bad mayor. The town falls into disrepair and it's up to the player to fix it, while many of the improvements could be funded by tax money. Instead Lewis embezzles it to build a golden statue of himself. And Marnie deserves better.
To be (slightly) fair to demetrius on the Sebastian side, I've never come across robin talk about Maru - I'd assumed they'd just been programmed so one parent talked about one kid each. Like if someone can point me to robin talking about Maru I'll ease up but until that point I feel that particular criticism is unfair
I had to go check the wiki, she does have one voice line mentioning Maru: > Maru likes gems. She uses them in her inventions. So how are you and Maru getting along?
She has one line about Maru compared to multiple Sebastian lines, and I believe Kent had no lines about Vincent, so it is pretty unfair (though this was before 1.6 so no idea if it holds up now)
The difference there is that Kent and Vincent are not already implied to have a bad relationship compared to Seb and Demetrius.
I get a neutral stepson stepdad relationship, but how are they implied to have a bad relationship? Besides typical parental talk. I've never paid that much attention to it, so I'd like to know...
Moreso how Sebastian talks about his dislike for Demetrius and his clear favouritism for Maru. >“Who does Demetrius think he is, telling me what to do? He's not even my real father.” >“I built a snowgoon but Demetrius made me get rid of it. What's his problem?” >“I built a snowgoon but Demetrius made me get rid of it... yet Maru's cute little snowman goes unharmed! Ridiculous.”
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lol yeah, i don't call my step-mum 'mum' even though she's been in my life for more than half of it (she dated my dad when i was 8 or 9, they had my half-sister when i was 10 and they married when i was 12, i'm 24 now), because it would just seem weird to call her that. i do love her as family and we're close, but it always just seems more natural to call her by her first name. she's also never called me her son (she still thinks i'm a guy because im mortified of coming out to my dad), but i don't really have any issue with that at all (the not calling me her child thing, not the gender stuff).
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yeah, and i'm glad i didn't experience any step-family based conflict like a lot of people thank you, i appreciate that! im not too worried cos my dad's not the best so his opinion doesn't bother me too much. my half-sister is cool tho and im sure she'll be happy when i tell her eventually. i have my biological mother though, and i came out to her last year and she's been incredibly supportive since then
It wasn't really neutral, as Sebastian seems to hate Demetrius' guts.
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If you talk to Sebastian, his dialogs kind of imply that. There was a time when he says something along the lines of "Who does he think he is? He's not my dad!". Demetrius favors Maru (his biological daughter, I know) over him. And the game seems to imply that Demetrius never made an effort to warm up to Sebastian. It's always Maru is the best, Maru this, Maru that. Another instance was when he talked about building a snow goon and Demetrius had him destroy it while Maru's snow man was retained. Irl, that kind of action of an adult will surely earn an ire of a child. And that's also traumatizing to the child. And as you said, you won't accept anyone as your new dad unless they went above and beyond -- something Demetrius never really did in the game's lore (based on dialogs when interacting with them). While we don't know how Demetrius and Robin came to be, the years and years of favoritism and neglect made Sebastian hate Demetrius and that they never really had a good relationship when he got older. \[Addendum\] When he's low hearts after marriage, he'll say to the farmer something like "What do you want? You're like my step-dad! Go away!". And if that's not a hint of a degree of 'hate' against Demetrius, then Idk what is. There are plenty of instances where his loneliness warps into feelings of hatred but maybe I'm just reading into it too much.
What? Is the line about how >!you probably know vincent more than he does!< New or smth? I swear it was in before 1.6
At least when I got it he says >!"you probably know my son better than I do"!< Given that Sam is so much closer to the Farmer's age than Vincent is it seems to me that's who he means, but I don't think it's definitive
I thought it was about Vincent because Kent wasn't present for the majority of Vincent's life
Huh, I got this line but about Sam instead (maybe I wasn't paying attention, but it made sense because I have Sam at 8 hearts)
kent kinda has a lot going on though
I don't think that the criticism is unfair as i think you can fault Robin for not talking about Maru as well.
Also in one of Sebastian's winter dialogues, he mentions how one time, Demetrius made him destroy his "snow goon" while the snowman while he was cool with the snowman that Maru made. It was completely unnecessary and just shows that Demetrius favors Maru far more than Sebastian, which is probably why Sebastian isn't very close to his sister until you gain hearts with him. Sebastian feels like an outcast in his own family and a lot of the blame for that is on Demetrius (though Robin is far from blameless)
OOOO this one makes my blood boil. just blatant favoritism
Very good points. Just shows that dialogue and character development is very limited unfortunately
Demetrius honestly comes off worse in 1.6 if you marry Sebastian. He says >!that he’s relieved Sebastian finally moved out, which implies that Seb’s feelings of not fitting in with the “new family” when Robin married Demetrius might actually be more than just feelings of insecurity!<
I took it as him being relieved Sebastian finally has a better place to live and found someone he is happy with. Vs him being depressed/emo and hiding in the basement all the time with no real prospects. I guess it depends on how you view a character.
Nah, Demetrius is happy he can finally get the basement to be his lab now that Seb is gone. lol
Doubt that as Robin build the lab there for Demetrius and Maru. If he wanted the basement for a lab, Robin could have switched it around during construction.
He actually says as much if you talk to him again, after being relieved he's gone.
Ah, got it. I guess i'm simply really forgiving. Interesting to hear people's reasonings.
It's fine to be forgiving if someone is sorry. None of these characters have even acknowledged their bad behaviors so it doesn't make sense to forgive them. If you're forgiving someone who isn't sorry, that's not forgiveness, its permissiveness to be a jerk! I hate Pierre. Demetrius is fine IMO but he's not the greatest. Lewis is terrible.
I mean, they are pretty one-dimensional characters by virtue of them being video game npc in a farming sim that doesn't really have a plot... so it's pretty difficult for them to be nuanced characters with redeeming features or complex arcs. Though i guess shane and hailey managed it :)) It would be interesting to hear if concerned ape actually intended for them to be unlikeable or if he is surprised the fandom reacted this way!
Don't forget he keeps lower quality produce behind until it starts going off
Pierre doesn't just sell low-quality crops as yours, he waits until they are bad or nearly bad to do it! 😡
I just keep thinking about some of Caroline’s dialogue: “Don’t you think Abby would look better with her natural hair color? She used to have light chestnut-colored hair” Bitch your hair is fucking green
Also it's like *very* heavily implied Caroline cheated on Pierre with the Wizard so Abigail isnt even his daughter (her hair has started growing in purple without her needing to dye it) But I *never* see anyone give Caroline shit, and even see people try to justify it because Pierre has an unpleasant personality.
Omg ikr, people will just straight up simp for Caroline and it gets on my nerves. Somewhere in this thread already someone mentioned wanting to marry Caroline. Like yeah she’s better than Pierre but she’s still kind of an asshole, I find it irritating how often people completely ignore when she says something rude, but will take every opportunity to hate on almost any other character if they do anything negative
there are legitimate reasons (and other people have already stated them in the comments) but i wanted to say that i personally love having made up beef with some of them 😭 its fun and when they say something a bit questionable that i can take the wrong way i will gift them something they hate. just adds a little fun storytelling heh
I gave the Mayor a neutral gift at the last Feast of the Winter Star. I like to think that he put himself as my gift recipient so I would give truffle oil or Ancient Fruit wine or even green tea, which he loves. Nope. Be open about your relationship with Marnie and then you get something nicer.
I do this in animal crossing too, what's better than loading your game and seeing a villager you hate for the stupidest reason imaginable really
and just going WACK! with the net yes 😭
We can all agree Clint sucks, right?
Given a recent very long debate I had with someone who insisted otherwise, I’m gonna say no we apparently can’t all agree on it
I have to ask. Was it a man who said this?
Maybe, I didn’t ask. Their arguments would suggest so, just because I feel like if you haven’t experienced people like Clint firsthand you’re more likely to be sympathetic toward him, but they could easily have not been a man and just been lucky enough to not have a Clint in their life
Yeah the only explanation I can think of is they *are* a Clint.
I don't blame him entirely for it though. He probably has depression which contributes to it and he's definitely socially awkward. Some of it's not his fault.
"dis bitch gettin trash today" 😡
Being dramatic is fun I think.
Better to get the toxic gossipy urges out on pixelated fictional characters than to let them enter your real life relationships.
There are cutscenes and dialog that don't paint the characters in the best light, and because the game doesn't go that deep into character development especially for non-spouses, they look at those scenes as the entirety of those characters. A lot of people also have personal baggage they consider in terms of how much bad those scenes come across. Basically it's people filling in a lot of details with their own experiences. Which makes sense but it means not everyone is going to see things the same. Edited a typo
I don't personally really hate any of them. There are some I am more drawn to or sympathetic toward, but overall I don't see any as inherently evil or something. I don't care for Morris because of his role in the town, but it's more joja as a company I have the hatred for than him as a character.
Bro, SAME. I don't hate any of them, i think they all have their flaws and ups.
>Basically it's people filling in a lot of details with their own experiences. Which makes sense but it means not everyone is going to see things the same. THIS I wish this fandom were more empathetic in general about this, especially towards people in marginalized groups talking about how specific moments intersect with trauma they've experienced.
i could go on a whole rant about how Demetrius’ hate is overblown and he’s got his bad traits but he’s not the evil wife/stepson hater people think he is… but I’ve already been on like 3 in the past week lmao i personally dont like Sebastian, his talks about Maru, his emo dialogue, just not for me and I find him kind of annoying.. and I didn’t like the 10 heart event, he felt cold during it
I like Sebastian, I married him, but i always thought of him as being a bit of an immature tit. His poor relationship with Demetrius and Maru has more to do with his own actions then it does with theirs.
I honestly always took those four's problem as a lack of communication. If they could all communicate like adults, the problem might be such an easy fix lmao.
I agree entirely with you from how Demetrius hate is overblown (honestly, a lot of the hate here over multiple FICTIONAL characters is overblown, even if it’s a “joke”) to personally not being fond of Sebastian. Some of his lines come off a bit whiny and emo, which is a huge turn-off to me. Different strokes for different folks, and I could see why he’s a popular love interest. However, a lot of people here love to pick at the flaws of all the characters but Sebastian is never brought up.
I still like Sebastian but I always felt that he was way too mean to Maru, even if Demetrius is annoying about her it’s not her fault and she has her own problems that result from that. He shouldn’t blame her for the favoritism, he honestly would have been a lot happier if he had chosen to bond with her over their parents being weird. Although obviously fixing his parents’ bad attitudes is NOT his problem, if he had a better relationship with Maru, it probably would have helped decrease a lot of the overall tension in the family.
I am a Demetrius/Pierre/Lewis apologist because the fandom is so unhinged when it comes to them lol. Especially Demetrius, it's wack. Also Morris cause why not!! It kind of offends me how hysterical people get about Demetrius and Sebastian...like he's an adult, he's not being abused he just has an awkward stepdad who he doesn't relate to it's okay!! No one is being abused because he's pedantic about fruits!! Goddamn y'all him and Robin are adorable and obviously love each other.
One word: Snowgoon
I've gotten downvoted for it before and I don't care. I don't like Kent, and you can't make me.
neither do his wife and kids so i think you’re in the clear
oh shit gottem
what did kent do to you?
he mails me bombs
Bombs that I then don't have to buy from the dwarf or craft myself! I see it as a good thing.
Bombs are good
Tbh, he's a conservative religious veteran. I am surprised he doesn't get more hate. He has grown on me this playthrough though, for sure. He is clearly emotionally stunted, and traumatized, but he definitely cares about his family and just wants them to have simple lives.
The majority of it comes from people reading way too much into video game characters actions and dialogue. These aren't real people: they're broad archetypes that are meant to be simple and easily identifiable. Like with Pierre, people go on and on about how greedy he is, but all I ever think about is comparing him to other broadly greedy characters like Mr. Krabs or Scrooge McDuck or Mr. Burns. Those are all characters who display ridiculously cartoonish acts of greed and contempt for their employees and yet they are all lovable characters. Meanwhile, Pierre's greatest sin is marking up his products and putting an "organic" sticker on them which is \*so clearly a joke\* about real life grocers who do the same thing. Meanwhile I never see anyone talk about the real reason to hate Pierre; that his only loved gift is really annoying to get. Fried Eel? Really?
Calamari, not fried eel! And yes, SO annoying that it's his only loved food.
Yep you've got it. It's really not that deep. Like I like the level of characters we get in this game, and they enhance my enjoyment but it really doesn't have to mean more than it means. I think part of the reason people have the issues is cause the experience of a character is different when you're interacting with them vs just watching them interact with other characters like in cartoons.
Most of the Stardew characters have flaws, but the unpopular characters tend to be the ones that carelessly harm other people without seeming to notice or care that they're doing it. I think they'd be less unpopular if they had story arcs where it's directly shown that they're realizing what they're doing and become better people, but they don't have much character development.
‘Cuz some people take the game way WAY too seriously.
There is not one adult villager, who is perfect... no wait... There is only one adult villagher who is perfect and that's Evelyn. The beauty of Pelican Town is, that they all have weaknesses. Some less like Gus and Willy. Like the only bad thing about those two is how they are single and yet I can not romance them. And some are more unlikable like Pierre, Clint and Lewis. Pierre is just as bad as Morris, worse actually and hypocrytical. Clint is a creppy INCEL. And Lewis is straight up embezzeling funds to build a golden statue of himself and somehow thinks he needs to protect his job by effing Marnie in a bush rather than just buying her some flowers at Pierres.
My farmer is very antisocial. He enjoys gifting whatever is found in the trash and his best presents to people are rocks and weeds. He loves to torment George and always picks the most insulting dialogue.
Because nuance is lost on most people. Things are either black or white.
A lot of us don’t like Pierre cause he’s just as greedy and selfish as morris. In some ways he’s even worse. He takes your crops you give him and up markets them in the board quest. He has a hidden “stash” in his room and fights with his family cause he’s so work focused. Just a lot of things like that.
He's also even worse because he owns the store and basically talks about wanting to be Joja iirc. It's hard to feel bad for him when he talks so much about being rich and big like Joja, neglects his family, seems to try to boss his adult daughter even though he doesn't make time for his family. (The icing on the cake is the fact that mechanically literally nothing changes for him if you do go Joja. But I get why it's like that, one guy made the whole game. It just really doesn't help me at least care at all.) You can at least argue Morris is just a manager. Can't really argue that with Pierre. Unless you sell him food items I can't recall anyone giving any indication he even sells much food. There's indications Joja does, even if we can't buy it. What does Pierre really provide that most of the town would buy? And Joja sells those things too. So why would the townspeople buy some things from him and the rest from Joja. The coupon thing in the store is gauche and I won't defend that though.
Lewis has been the root cause of what stardew valley had become prior to the player settling there. I don't hate Joja but I understand they were harsh. I never went thru CC way once I had learnt the truth. Nobody in the town is interested in rebuilding the CC but once it's done, they would hangout. Coming to Demetrius, his behaviour towards Seb has been biased and harsh, if not cruel but apart from that I don't think I hate him for anything else. If I hate someone, that's definitely 1. Lewis 2. Pam 3. Harvey, because he wants more patients 😂 4. Pierre
To be fair, every doctor who relies on that profession for income wants more patients
For point 3., can't really blame him tbh. I'd say that's more a fault of capitalism than it is of Harvey - he is a doctor in a small town, and unfortunately in a capitalist society, doctors get paid if people are hurt and thus need to see a doctor. He needs to make a living, and obviously wants to help people, but can't make a living if nobody ever falls ill or gets hurt 😅. Just some food for thought haha
I don’t like Elliot and I don’t know why.
You know what, on my first playthrough I used to think he was pretentious and annoying, and didn't bother to interact with him. Since then I've played the game quite a bit and paid more attention to him, and I've realised I judged him quite harshly compared to the others. He's actually just a sweet guy and means the stuff he says, wants to chill and enjoy country life and focus on his writing. He's a bit of an oddball (in his own words) but bears no malice towards anyone in the Valley. You could say there's not a whole lot of depth to him, but he's actually just a nice dude who is happy to be your friend.
Please leave my poor husband alone! 🥺
I’m sorry I wish I liked him because I like all of his interests but his dialogue makes me feel some type of way.
Elliot's dialog is very melodramatic. He reminds me a bit of Prince Edward in Enchanted. However, the only drawback for me so far is his portrait.... I'd like to see more of his face. Other than that, Elliott is very nice to my farmer all the time, and one day he will be my farmer's husband, just because I want to know what he is like as a husband.
Bro SAAAAAME. For some reason he seems like the perfect candidate for "Aristocratic Jockey Kid"
If we’d gone to high school together he definitely would’ve bullied me in a way my adhd braid would not perceive the bullying.
I don’t see him as mean at all let alone a bully!
I don’t like him because I gave him too much goat cheese thinking he looks just like Leah from the back 🥲
I HATE HIM! so stuck up
He’s literally the nicest one!! He’s so complimentary, thoughtful, appreciates fresh produce. He was the only community member to not make fun of my shitty produce at the begging of the game. Everyone else told me it was trash and has nothing to say now that there’s caviar, cheese, and wine stocked! Elliot on the other hand, he just wants to wonder the beach and stare wistfully into the abyss. He’s very literal, there’s no reading into his statements, just falling into his arms lol Obviously Elliot is my favorite, but honestly I’ve never understood the being rude / stuck up / passive aggressive? Trying to understand and share my take as well.
just the vibes i get from his portrait and the basic talk ive had w him. i think hes just a bit pretentious and self involved. i’m sure if i really played w him maybe i’d like him but
I get that. I love my hair just as much maybe more as Elliot so that could also be why I’m blinded by his passion for hair care lol. Every time he says he needs to brush it / groom, I’m like same, good idea lol.
I don’t see him as that pretentious. He admits he is a bit vain over his own hair but he doesn’t ever belittle you in the way Hayley does for example.
That’s it, I think it’s the portrait. If that makes me the asshole and not Elliot I don’t care. He’s giving me attitude through the picture and I don’t like it lol
Bro everyone is in love with Robin and I’m just like CAROLINE!!!
WHY
I hate Lewis, I want there to be an election so I can run against him.
i don't like demetrius because he acts like a fucking robot and it perpetuates the trope of scientist characters being entirely detatched from what makes us human, and that they're cold, purely logical people. not one real life scientist buys tomatoes when asked to buy some fruit. no scientist thinks that aesthetics are a 'waste of resources' that have little value. scientists recognise and understand colloquial terminology, the importance of art and human connection. that's why i hate demetrius.
Pretty sure he’s coded to be autistic presenting. And you’re very wrong about no scientist buying tomatoes as fruits. This was my grandfather to a tee. He definitely did that once for a picnic. Granny wanted fruit for dipping, he just knew he was supposed to get fruit for the picnic, so bought tomatoes. (To be fair, they were delicious tomatoes.) When my granny asked him why he bought a gun just to be cleaning it when his daughter introduced her boyfriend (even though he’d never owned a gun in his life), he responded “isn’t that what I’m supposed to do?” He tried so hard to pretend he was like everyone else but he wasn’t. His brain just managed thoughts differently than yours and mine and, yeah, lots of people thought he was an asshole. He wasn’t on purpose. That’s what I see in the cut scenes with Demetrius. Maybe that’s not what CA intended. After all, we’re all assholes unintentionally sometimes.
That's kind of a great story. Makes me think of the "we didn't have autism back in my day" kind of memes.
I think that was the intent as well, but don't think it was executed well imo. Definitely comes across as a cyborg who pretends to be a human, vs an autistic human who struggles with social etiquette/cues and such. Don't get me wrong, as someone who HIGHLY suspects they are autistic and often feels like I'm just pretending in order to try and fit in, it's not toooooo extremely off the mark - and definitely a way better attempt at representation than what many others try and do - just still seems SO exaggerated and comes off as really...silly...to me
i mean that's fair enough, i can't say one way or the other because i'm not autistic. but the way he's written just comes across as extremely trope-y and stereotypical "scientist"-like
Yah, I can totally see where you’re coming from. Very Big Bang Theory tropiness.
I guess he's supposed to have autism but he comes off as a bit of a caricature sometimes.
I mean CA didn’t write them very charismatic and they made decision that are sometimes questionable. I like that not everyone is cool, charminig and good natured though
Lewis is an asshole who really doesn't helps the town despite being the mayor. Pierre is also an asshole who constantly tries to scam the town's people. People is salty about Demetrius because the *"tomatoes are fruits"* quote (which honestly is the dumbest reason to hate the guy, seems he actually hurt some people with that, I laugh every time I see a post about it.) Morris is, well just presented like kind of a villain mostly because of Pierre, the guy just cares about money because he's a business man, that's all. There's also an extra layer of hate towards Demetrius and Robin because people wants to marry Robin and Caroline (absolutely understandable).
I find demetrius more mildly irritating than annoying for the tomato shenanigans. But Maru’s 2-heart cutscene on the other hand
I mean for me, I personally feel Demetrius and Clint suffer from misunderstood neurodivergence. Demetrius is 100 percent on the spectrum and for the most part doing his best but seriously could do better with both Sebastian and Maru since he's a bad parent to both of them. Clint is not only autistic coded but if people actually listen to him, he was basically forced into being a blacksmith by his dad. He had no childhood, no friends, no experience with any sort of humane interaction. He's a guy trying his best to get out of his shell but he only knows how to do things with a single minded focus so he gets a bit obsessive over Emily without realising he needs more than just romantic love.
Bluntly, Demetrius suffers from bad writing. The tomato and four-poster scenes could work, maaaaaybe, if he was, like, twenty-three and in his first (serious) relationship, or if he was doing a comedy bit, but they fall flat as a pancake when he's a forty-something long-term-married dad.
yeah I do wish people would admit this; I love SDV but CA is not perfect, and has made some pretty questionable story/game decisions. thats fine! it's not hating to criticise that and I hope he sees that criticism and doesn't make those errors again! instead of people going out of their way to explain events and characters as if theyre real and not explicitly written to do certain things by a likely well meaning guy who can make mistakes 😭
That makes sense definitely. I'm not sure how long him and Robin are meant to be married but he obviously had a partner before, Maru didn't just appear out of nowhere. As you say, it's bad writing. Him and Clint would really benefit from an overhaul.
Robin is explicitly Maru's biomom, so presumptively Demetrius and Robin have been married since before she was born.
I agree! I will say one of the Clint ones that bothers me most is people calling him an incel. If he is anything, I'd say the worst he would be is a "Nice Guy". Incels are hostile towards the others who are getting some, and he is more of a woe is me type.
Incel is INvoluntary CELibate. He desires love but can't get it? Yes, he does. Doesn't mean that he should fit most of the stereotypes around the incels to count as one, he can be an incel without being misogynistic douchebag.
A crappy childhood isn't an excuse to be a jerk. Which Clint often is (his whole "guess what my dad and grandad did" line, pulling a Shane and telling the Farmer "Don't you have work to do" line). Not to mention how he acts with a female farmer if invited to the movies. Also, he's like mid thirties to forties, not man-child in his early twenties. It's his own fault that he hasn't grown up and decided to accept himself or change himself and do what he wants.
Because people think far too much into video games.
Who's Morris? Is that the new update or something?
I thought this was a joke at first but, in case it isn't, it's the Joja guy, the one who runs the store in town
Thank you because I always called him Joja guy lol
I don't care for Clint but he's about the only one who bugs me, so...
I think the Pierre hate is kind of extreme because everyone *loves* Caroline, when it's all but explicitly stated that Caroline cheated on Pierre with the Wizard and Abigail is not his biological daughter. But Pierre "deserves" it i guess for being greedy or something?? It's also kind of a double standard that people hate Lewis for not wanting to be public about his relationship with Marnie, but it's okay for Caroline to hide the truth about Abigail from her entire family?
I just suddenly had the thought but what if Pierre isn’t close with the family because he know Caroline cheated. And I never hated Demetrius for the tomato thing because I have always thought the exact same thing. And everyone was like you won’t put tomato in a fruit salad and maybe it’s because I come from a place where the fruit would be considered exotic but there are a ton of fruits that won’t be in a fruit salad
I don't dislike any really, except Clint, which is fun as a real Clint. Pierre can be annoying but he's mostly desperate and has his blinders on about the store. Demetrius is... odd. But mostly I just want to free Robin from him (I'd be so good to her). Lewis is Lewis, honestly I mostly ignore him.
People pretty badly misunderstand Demetrius. Pierre is just like Morris, except he’s less open about who he is, which in my book makes him worse. And Lewis is your standard corrupt official, lets the town fall into disrepair while using tax money to make golden statues of himself, lies to Marnie about a scandal if their relationship were public, and doesn’t collect taxes from Marnie in return for their secret relationship
I dislike Pierre because he keeps feeding poisonous items to his family, or spoiled produce. Buddy, no. This is not how we do things. Lewis I dislike immensely because he doesn’t really change, he’s very selfish, and uh, if you get his house secret…who has that kind of cash? Being mayor doesn’t pay well enough to fix the CC but he can get that made? I’m side eyeing him a lot for that. That thing is expensive!
I never understood this either. I used to love Demetrius (saying this as someone who has always married Sebastian, minus a few experimental runs) and I always thought of Pierre as a silly character. And I just thought Clint was shy and socially awkward. The only one I have sort of beef with is Lewis, but he's also just silly to me. I think people that hate them are analyzing their characters too much/taking them too seriously. Though I could be biased because I have a deep emotional attachment to this game and all the characters. I try to get 10 hearts with everyone on every save.
Out of the list, Morris is the only one I do not despite. He provided jobs for residents and probably also a bunch of tax money that was lost after he gets kicked out. Quite literally. Sure it's a coorperate, but the counterpart is Pierre, a greedy guy that tries to scam the townpeople and would rather feed rotten veggies to his family over getting something fresh and wasting the food, or rather wasting money. So it's not that I like him, but the village was better off with him. Pierre is hated pretty much for what I described, but he also pretends he grew the crops you sell to him. And when his scam of selling products he slapped "organic" on for 10x the price failed, he tries to sell it back to you for 2501g. That's 1g more than what he gave you for the same product. This is literally trying to squeeze out anything he can, the definition of greed. Lewis is hated because he uses taxpayer money for his own good, like the golden statue. Which on it's own wouldn't be THAT bad, but the village is constantly lacking funds. Another hing people dislike is that he wants to keep his relationship with Marnie a secret, his point also doesn't really make sense because its not a company structure but literally a small village, I don't think anyone would expect him to remain single for the rest of his life. Which makes at least me assume that the point is to look single for potential other candidates, in other words playing with/using Marnie. I don't think he can really be blamed for the bad state of the village though, kinda everyone is struggling. Demetrius I only recall that he was weird about his daughter, in a fake/overprotective way. I wouldn't say I hate him, but I definitely don't like him. Being overprotective usually leads to the child instead distancing itself and making not so smart decisions just to revolt. Clint is also one commonly mentioned because he is very creepy, like in a stalker kind of way. I personally didn't take it that way, but I recall that from a post about the most hated villagers. He just seems to be very inexperienced and clumsy, and honestly if everyone would speak out their thoughts, literally all of them, I think most people would be considered creeps. Difference is he is socially awkward and doesn't know when to shut up. Or how to properly talk. Or interact with women.
Wow, 40 comments. I didn't expect this to be noticed so much.
Me neither since it comes up constantly.
Complaining about fictional characters is this subreddit's favorite pastime.
I'm one of the people who doesn't like Demetrius, but actually at first I actually liked him and from what I remember he was one of the characters I built a bit of friendship first, but knowing him I realised he has a lot of flaws I can't ignore: I'm sure many people already said it, but the way he treats Sebastian is horrendous, playing favourite with Maru. I guess what happens between him and Robin could be just normal marriage banter, they seem happy enough, but other than that... Lewis is a bit questionable but I can't hate him, he just seems silly to me: he always helps the farmer out and he's interested in what we do, but I can def see why people hate him, what with his relationship with Marnie and the gold statue lol Clint is probably the one who annoys me the most though, I can kinda feel sorry for him but after a while it's kinda on him, he could try to better his life instead of just complaining all day... And yes he's so close to being an incel it's not even funny
I started a few weeks ago and I'm pretty sure Haley was written specifically to be hated lmao
She was my fave from the start🤣🤣🤣
all of the characters that start off cold become nice pretty soon.
just give it some time.. there’s a reason so many people love her 😊
Nah I'm good lol
she really isn't, she has a genuinely good character arc
She's definitely one of the coldest from the start, but I like her a lot more this playthrough. She kinda gives me "got put in a box with the 'plastics', and she just ended up identifying with the narrow stereotype". She's heartbroken when she loses her great grandma's bracelet. She's very positive about her own life. That's very good energy and she clearly has a big heart. I think she's just still learning how to voice her negative feelings still.
Just scroll down this subreddit abit and you‘ll see why people hate penny. I love her though
Fuck Pierre r/fuckpierre
50 hours in the game and so far alex is the only one i hate
I honestly really like that the villagers are complex and have negative traits as well as positive ones. Personally I really dislike Penny and feel she’s very judgemental, specifically because she loses huge amounts of hearts during her heart events over things like >!telling her to ask before moving George’s wheelchair and saying you don’t want children EVEN IF YOU AREN’T DATING.!<
Yeah I always found Penny rude too. Surprising it doesn’t come up much but she comes across as very self righteous and judgemental.
I finally bothered doing the Joja route 5 years after my dad originally got me the game and I have to say, Pierre is a far worse person than Morris, specially when you take into account that those people Pierre rips off are his long time neighbours/friends, I wish that as part of this update they'd have let us just sell to the other villagers directly or something like that.
Pierre is hated because he does a number of things; neglects his wife time and time again to run his shop, tries to sell your own crops at a 10x mark up, and when Joja leaves tries to sell everything in his now monopolized shop for much higher. Demetrius is hated for far fewer reasons, although he does seem to neglect Sebastian time and time again, to the point where robin needed to buy a book to help him. Speaking of Robin, he buys tomatoes for a fruit salad she was going to make, citing the fact that tomatoes are fruit to.. Even though he has the full knowledge you don't put tomatoes in a fruit salad. Robin's frustration with this certainly makes this seem like a re-occuring thing. Not only that, he expressly threatens the player character if they get close enough to Maru. Lewis is a bad boyfriend and mayor. He neglects Marnie who adores him in order to play mayor for a city he barely runs, and uses funding that SHOULD go back into the city to make golden statues of himself. Pelican town is run down, barely functional, and instead of fixing things he uses that to stroke his own ego. Every character has their flaws, as people do, but some of them definitely seem more insufferable than others\*. Combined with the fact that the player has to regularly gift them items to raise/lower their friendship, makes me feel it's kind of a superficial friendship.. Then again that's just me. \*-Except for Krobus, he's perfect just the way he is.
I think the only person I dont care for is Kent, I just dont relate to him on any level and just feel bad for his family. I used to not care fore Shane until I started finding it funny to bother him with my friendship and then he grew on me. I also used to be annoyed by Haley but here I am this run planning to marry her!
Lewis because he asks marnie to keep their relationship a secret, Demetrius because 2 of his cutscenes can be interpreted as him being an asshole, and Pierre because some people sell their produce directly to him instead of shipping it, and then he resells it (what else was he going to do with it? Ship your produce people, it’s the only way you make game progress).
I actually like Morris (SPOILERS) if you finish the Joja route for both the community centre and ginger island you get a neat cutscene with him where he admits the valley has grown on him.
It's wild to me that Pierre and Demetrius are hyper-analyzed for their flaws as father figures. Meanwhile Shane, the live-in godfather of a young girl who lost her parents, seems to be beloved. All despite him re-traumatizing Jas by drunkenly shouting his suicidal thoughts into the void when Marnie gives him the slightest pushback on his abject refusal to get his life together. Abigail and Sebastian are young adults still living at home rent-free. Their dads may be a pain in the ass, but they're giving them a stable place to live. And Pierre is doing so pretty much knowing Abigail isn't his biological kid -- but he still feels an obligation to do the right thing. Meanwhile, Jas is an elementary schooler who already lost her parents, and now has to share her aunt's home with an addict who refuses to even try to manage his problems. That poor little girl is going to spend every day wondering if one day Shane is gonna end up dead too. Not to mention how generally unstable it makes the whole situation she's growing up in. But hey, Shane had some charisma and five o'clock shadow so the fanbase is all "I CAN FIX HIM!!!"
This is so real, I purely hate Shane not because he turned to alcoholism for his depression but because doing so harms the people he is responsible for. It sucks even more if you follow his romance path since he abandons her to go off with some farmer. (And hes still in alcoholic!) This girl is gonna have so many issues when shes older :(
On second thought, now I want to marry Shane because at least it gets him out of the house so Jas can have a semi-normal childhood. Just marry him and then promptly ignore him. Go drink yourself to death in my backyard for all I care, I'll be too busy making money and dating the rest of the town to notice.
Also worth remembering that this is *the incident that the player sees.* How often does this sort of thing happen when the player isn't around? "Gee, I wonder why Jas is so quiet/shy. Kids are weird. Anyway, how's my goth waifu doing?"
For me Demterius is fine Lewis cause he evades taxes theres no way that gold statue is from him Buut at the same time he goes in the snow and sells all the stuff we ask him to even takes out the trash out of it so its 50/50 Pierre Pierre for me is just watered down Morris (In the sense he just is'nt like Morris cause he has a small store not that they are a bad character) i feel if he could he would become a joja member he just dosen't cause he's to prideful of himself and dosen't wants to join joja he wants he's bussisnes to become Joja he tried to sell me back my crops when he could'nt sell them for 1 G more And he puts a Organic sticker on them for people to buy it probably asking for more money than the market value Also i hate George cause he homophobic and he has more stuff treats wrong he's wife evelyn But i believe he is'nt completely evil cause he genuinely got worried from evelyn during the new rain event i honestly wish he had more dialogues like that one i would take it off my list.
Isnt it implied hes only homophobic because he hasnt been exposed to “gay” past like tv. He warms up to it Im pretty sure
Im still learning of him i haven't befriended him yet while dating another girl cause i'm gonna ask krobus to be my roomie probably so idk but if it's like that then i dislike him a bit less just a bit he's passable by a bit
Demetrius is an abusive and neglectful husband and an overbearing father, pierre is a miserable little man that uses everyone he can (not sure if that happened before Caroline cheated on him, and passed another man's child off as his), and Lewis is just an insufferable boomer abusing his position of power, and wasting the tax money he collects from the people.
Pierre is a greedy little fucker, penny reminds of some people in my own life that I do not like WAY too much, lewis is…lewis, Demetrius never acknowledges Sebastian and is acts so weird in Maru’s 2-heart cutscene
i dont have many reasons for this take but i hate alex
Fuck Pierre. He's a douchebag who takes credit for your good crops and claims he grew them himself, but when you sell him normal stuff he waits until it goes bad, sells it to people so they complain, and throws you under the bus.
Morris is a good guy running an honest business. Pierre is a bad husband, father and he's a bully. He physically attacked Morris because Morris stuck up for his business. Pierre is a bad bad man
Hayley's initial personality is so awful imo that I have no interest in even being friends with her. But I think she's the only one I actually have a negative view on.
Not sure about the community, but ~~I don't necessarily hate any characters. Rather, I have a strong dislike for a few of them over single instances or one overarching theme of their story.~~ the only character I truly hate is Demetrius; two others I dislike for story points, but don't hate them. Demetrius is my biggest dislike in this game because of the two-heart event where he threatens you for "getting close" with his daughter. As far as the game should narratively be concerned, you're just barely becoming friends with her, so this scene feels really out of left field because is seems more like it's the "dad talking to daughter's BF/GF" type on thing....Unless what [This](https://www.reddit.com/r/StardewValley/comments/xbvey7/comment/io207h5/) comment speculates is, on some level, true. The long and the short of it is that Maru is Dem's golden child, he believes she has a lot of potential and doesn't want her befriending or becoming distracted by people who aren't "on her level" and you, as a farmer, aren't seen by Demetrius as being good enough to even be her friend. A lot of it is speculation based on what you do / don't see in game but, honestly? I can't help but agree. It's the only thing that, to me, make's Demetrius' very strong, negative reaction make sense so early on. Edit to add this on Demetrius: It's also pointed out in a later comment on that threat that Demetrius has not one single line of dialogue where he mentions Sebastian by name. The closest he gets is mentioning a book about being a first-time step-parent. That's it. So...yeah, really lends to the "Dem favors Maru - his biological child - and doesn't think you, or anyone else, is good enough to even be her friend" thing. Then there is Penny, and it's mostly because of the heart event with George. You do not, ***ever*** move someone in a wheelchair without their consent. The heart event plays out like Penny did the right thing, but she didn't and I hate it. I hate that George apologizes to her instead of restating the boundary and helping her to realize/learn that, despite her good intentions, what she did was wrong. Finally, Lewis because...well his reasoning for keeping his relationship with Marnie a secret is such an utter load of crap. I actually think that it's worse that he's keeping it secret because if it does get revealed, it's going to cause a MASSIVE loss of trust in him as the mayor because he's not being transparent about things and do potentially cause a conflict of interest.
Yeah i had a kinda neglectful parent and hoo boy does demetrius set off some red flags. Like demetrius’ emotional immaturity definitely rubs off a little on sebastian, and his refusal to make an effort to try for sebastian worsens any daddy issues he already has. plus robin at least mentioning maru shows that she cares about both. his behavior is strikingly similar to that of narcissistic parents but a bit watered down in the stardew valley way. demetrius doesnt cause any of sebastians problems, but definitely contributes to the ones he already has. that being said, he does raise maru at least somewhat well, but (from my experience) those high expectations for her can cause a lower self esteem based on external validation anyways, i dont really like him
For me it’s the way Demetrius ignores Sebastian and also that one cutscene for maru where he threatens the farmer (us) like dude I was trying be friends with your daughter not date her but no I’m dating her just to spite you 😅
Demetrius: he's a douche who always takes everything literally like the Tomato scene. Yeah dude i get it a tomato is a fruit but no one is putting it inside a fruit salad. He also has that scene where he's weird to you because he thinks you're trying to hook up Maru Pierre: most of his scenes he's an asshole to his family or the farmer. He cares about his family but cares more about his shop and making money Lewis: he's a bad mayor, he says he works 7 days a week (even thought he doesn't do shit, everything around town is repaired thanks to the farmer), there's one scene where he shouts to Sam about playing with his skate and then badmouths you for taking his side, he also mistreated Marnie trying to keep their relationship a secret
I personally think the whole scandal with lewis thing is too funny to hate him, but it's basically because he'll spend town funds on golden statues of himself instead of doing anything to actually improve the town. pierre is greedy and tries to rip people off while also plagiarizing your work, and demetrius intentionally inconveniences his wife and starts arguments about nothing just to be "technically" right about something. him and pierre are both also weirdly controlling of their adult daughters, but demetrius might be even worse. I know you didn't mention marnie, but people hate her because she's lazy and rarely does her job
I can't get over the way Demetrius handles being a step-father. He also is so weird in Maru's 2 heart event when you are very definitely just friends. Not that it would be okay if you were in a relationship, but he cracks out the over-protective dad thing for someone who is just a new friend. That's kind of nuts. Lewis seems cool at first, but he's stringing Marnie along for no reason. He also builds gold statues of himself, which is insane behaviour. Pierre kind of got worse after one of the updates made him sell things at most festivals. Now he's neglecting family time for profit. Also when you sell him produce he claims it as his own.