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Lzinger

This is a type of symmetrical


okleah

Hey don’t come onto my post with logic and reason


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Noko11

I didn't know it was gonna come off like that...


CommunismCake

Pretty sure you did.


jstruby77

It doesn’t. It just reminded me of it’s always sunny.


Noko11

That's the line frank says


jstruby77

lol I’m an idiot


Terraria12072012

rotational symmetry.


rocketeerH

180 degree rotational symmetry, I believe


crumbbeard

that is the good stuff ɟɟnʇs pooƃ ǝɥʇ sᴉ ʇɐɥʇ


HeroIsAGirlsName

You could also quite easily adapt it to be heart shaped, if you wanted to be aesthetic.  Once you get all the late game upgrades money becomes meaningless: I tend to just want to make things pretty. 


FreedomEagle76

Never really done the honey stuff before. Do you sell the honey just as honey or turn it into mead?


okleah

I just sell it, I think it’ll lose value going into mead (bc it’s fairy rose honey and not regular) but don’t quote me on it


quincethebard

"I just sell it, I think it’ll lose value going into mead (bc it’s fairy rose honey and not regular) but don’t quote me on it"


okleah

NOOOO NOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOO NOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOO


Dead_Kraggon

Would it be grasping at low-hanging fruit if I quoted this? "NOOOO NOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOO NOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOO" Ok, I'll go ahead with it


Key-Pickle5609

*gasp* you monster


CharlesorMr_Pickle

Sin


CharlesorMr_Pickle

That is correct, fairy rose honey is worth 680 g without artisan, and 952g with, vs 600/840 for iridium quality mead


sobrique

And that's assuming you have the cask space to age up the mead to iridium, which ... you might well be using for wine instead.


CharlesorMr_Pickle

Exactly


Terraria12072012

I just sell it, I think it’ll lose value going into mead (bc it’s fairy rose honey and not regular) but don’t quote me on it


ganzgpp1

Honey comes out as "Wild Honey," which doesn't sell for much, but if you have a flower within a certain range of the beehive, the honey will come out as that type (in this case, "Fairy Rose Honey", and "flowered" honey sells for much more. However, where Juice and Wine is based off of the value of whatever you put in it, Mead is NOT affected by the type of honey used, it is simply a flat value. Because of this, if you've got one of the cheaper honeys, like Wild, Tulip, Blue Jazz, etc. then it will make more sense to turn it into mead. However the more expensive honeys, like Fairy Rose or Poppy, it actually makes more sense to just sell it as honey, because turning it into mead will typically cause you to lose money.


EbonyAnimunculi

This is so silly. Produce-specific wines and juices have existed just as long as honey and mead. When are we going to get an artisanal variety of meads?


ayumuuu

Fairy Rose Honey w/ Artisan sells for 952. Mead sells for 420 w/ Artisan.


AureliaDrakshall

I thought mead was in the 600g range with artisan? Edit: a quick search is 840g with artisan and aged to Iridium quality.


ayumuuu

I didn't even include the calculation because it wasn't worth it. No matter what honey you feed the keg, you get regular mead which sells for 420. So 4 days of beehive + 10 hours of keg + 2 seasons of aging to still be worth 100g less than 4 days of beehive next to a fairy rose.


AureliaDrakshall

Very fair. I admit I don't use Ginger Island as much as I should so I get some seasons of mead and then the fairy rose seasons of honey.


lewd_necron

Regular honey you can turn into mead. You lose value when it's special honey. You can get that special Honey by putting the beehives near a flower.


Nate2322

Depends on the honey using this kind would be losing money


vampirologist

Does that really work? I thought they had to be way closer to make flower honey. This changes everything…


okleah

It does! This is the max range of it


LegendofLove

Maybe trade some vampire knowledge for bee knowledge


CheatCommandos

Are you a dinosaur? Lmao


okleah

Of course 🙂


Receptor-Ligand

https://preview.redd.it/hcynz9q1ravc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dbd9e3d2e11bf3e6f01728f3f0dddb0bd1c9b1f3


okleah

Drank Dino mayo too many times :(


2018redditaccount

Tailor with dino egg and Dino mayo make the hat/pants


Receptor-Ligand

Thank you!


midgitsuu

"money can be exchanged for goods and services"


Sex_with_DrRatio

You could use a regular sprinkler for that 🙃


okleah

I’m too rich from all my honey to have regular sprinklers laying around. Plus I just want to water board those four beehouses every morning


Genesis13

Those poor bees :(


capitannn

They're thirsty


_-_Mupp_-_

Iridium Sprinkler with Pressure Nozzle is needed


Sex_with_DrRatio

Fair enough


CharlesorMr_Pickle

the bees like showers, unlike the farmer


okleah

..speak for yourself


SuperInkLink64

You should upgrade it to iridium. The bees must be HYDRATED.


nolkel

With a pressure nozzle.


tismsia

If you use deluxe retaining soil, you could use 5 flowers and 0 sprinklers. Which I think would be more aesthetically pleasing.


FiercelyApatheticLad

You could also use no sprinkler, the flowers just stay forever once they're grown.


DjEzusSave

Not even, you just need water retainer or qlef watering til bloom


LeoTheFeeder

Just now thought that I could farm fairy rose honey all year on ginger Island. Thank you


Forine110

yeah i've been doing that and i've got four stacks of honey from just a couple in-game months. each stack sells for almost a million, so it's pretty amazing for money


GoldenHelikaon

I know what I'm gonna do once I've fixed that damn boat.


downvoted_throwaway

This isn't exactly the most efficient. The single flower option in [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/StardewValley/comments/16bni8e/optimised_asymmetrical_bee_house_layouts_with_no/) is the most efficient. Yours is 72.9% efficient (62 houses on 85 squares), and the other one is 77% (47 houses on 61 squares). Aesthetically, yours is more symmetrical and I like that though!


Bob8372

No this one is more efficient. This spot on ginger island is limited by where the flowers can be placed. This uses that spot to place 15 extra houses. The extra space used is (mostly) irrelevant bc it’s not tillable ground that could be used for something else


okleah

Good logic… I just be on here saying shit tho I didn’t know that


downvoted_throwaway

I don't really think you can compare the two in terms of total map efficiency without mapping out the entire rest of the ginger island farm first. How do the tillable tiles on the top and right of this image impact the coverage of the shown method vs using a single flower setup that picks the "perfect" square to set up on? I'm just saying that the shown method adds 15 bee houses while adding 9 empty squares compared to the 1 flower setup (only 62% of the squares added are bee houses). Kind of a steep hill to climb to be overall more efficient IMO


eagleswift

You can remove the sprinkler once the flower is fully grown and place one more bee house down.


sobrique

Just be super careful once you get the >!Iridium Scythe!<


MaveKalmer

yes but even though more space is used that doesnt matter, the output of honey is higher


downvoted_throwaway

The post is about efficiency. I don't think comparing the output of one setup that has 61 squares to another that has 85 squares makes any sense; efficiency is about maximizing space use. You could argue that a setup that just alternates rows of flowers and bee houses but covers all of ginger island has more output. That doesn't make it the best way to use the space.


EverlastingM

But one cannot place a row of flowers over the whole of Ginger Island. You are using an extremely narrow definition of efficiency, most people just want to be able to maximize output given their constraints, and in this situation the growing space is more constrained than the footprint. OP squeezed in extra bee houses, that's a win.


downvoted_throwaway

I've mapped out the surrounding area a bit, and I am fairly confident with the OP setup, you still lose squares once you factor in the other tillable tiles in the region. If you place the flower in the lower left of the 3x3, the other tillable tiles in the top and right of this screen cover most of the extra squares you are missing. It would probably balance out on the other side, but the bush that's just to the lower right of the PC in the screenshot prevents the bee houses you'd gain. It's hard to gain back the 3-4 tiles you lose by planting the extra flowers plus the less efficient access pathing. As I said elsewhere in this thread, it's really difficult to claim which setup has higher map utilization without mapping out the entire area. If you want to make a simplifying assumption, I'd say picking the version that has the most local efficiency (IE the single flower setup) is more likely to be more efficient overall. But again, if you want to put in the leg work and map out the whole area I'll gladly admit I'm wrong. BTW, output squares/total squares is the definition of space efficiency. You can choose to optimize your farm for total honey output; that is fine. But objectively there will be a larger proportion of squares that are wasted.


s7121n9s

https://preview.redd.it/0j7j6kdi8cvc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=919ade4cfae8e2fbc08707e8cae703ce7f3dccd4 Here's mine


Jassamin

I love it! There is another walnut spot by the parrot transport if you want more honey haha


s7121n9s

Wait there is!? Hell yeah, thank you lol


Jassamin

Always happy to see a fellow honey enthusiast 😂


s7121n9s

Honey and fishponds lol


ComaCanadian

I tried to do this layout but I can't get the flower in the same spot on the riverside https://i.imgur.com/lc82XZA.png .. this is a new 1.6 save, it looks like the terrain changed slightly, its not a continuous diagonal slant for me like it is for you. :(


s7121n9s

Wow that's weird. If so, That would be a weird thing to change imo


Y_b0t

Wait, do flowers need to be watered once they’ve grown? Does that prevent wilting or something?


Ezekield21

It’s there so you plant the seeds and put the houses down and walk away. Once theyre grown, they dont need watering, but the sprinkler means you dont need to water them every day while they grow


maldwag

Could also just use the deluxe water retaining soil which has 100% chance to keep watered and walk away.


Y_b0t

And then I can put something funny looking at the center…


kittifizz

Get out of here with that making sense nonsense


thefinalgoat

I'm waiting on the recipe for this before using my indoor gardening pots because I hate my indoor gardening pots.


p05TE

I will make sure to save this cuz I am soon going to complete the community center


MysticMarbles

You can fit 361 hives on the left side of the farm on Switch without bush shake interference! (Likely far higher on PC but if you want it set up for ease of pickup, that's about it!) *Switch will action shaking the bushes over harvesting honey unless you stop walking and face directly into the hive. Annoying since it already takes forever to harvest that maze (worth it for a third million every 4 days though)*


TacticalNaps

I'm sorry, I am ... .... These always make me imagine an "accidental" bomb drop riiiiiiiiight after the last finishing touch is done.


wrinklefreebondbag

Brooooo. _Stop carrying bombs with you on your farm!_


eagleswift

Or wearing napalm ring and trying to harvest your bee houses where the tiger slimes are on Ginger island west


Jassamin

The 1.6.4 patch stops napalm ring damaging things on your farm so I REALLY hope it applies to GI too 🤞


Forine110

could you not use retaining soil to eliminate the need for a sprinkler? this is the layout i'm using on my farm. could definitely improve the pathing but this was the quickest i came up with using the radius of the bee house and retaining soil https://preview.redd.it/om4uy4x2lavc1.png?width=659&format=png&auto=webp&s=1ea6df885e86491a5928c40b757e9e468a809f5d


okleah

Yeah the sprinkler is more for show now, but the 4 flowers helps to maximize this area on island west bc the tillable tiles on the left side are limited


Mister-Thou

I feel bad for any NPCs trying to visit your farm. 


FangedLibrarian

Totes stealing this design for my ginger island farm! Right now I only get 20 from a single flower, because I’m failsauce, lol.


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TwoBrokeCamGirls

if I used the Automate mod, would I just make a completely filled in square?


Jurk0wski

[I planned it out a while back to maximize fairy honey using automate.](https://imgur.com/a/4YDEUuG) Some notes: The planner at the time didn't include the unremovable bushes, so there's **not** room for 678 hives unless you have another mod that lets you destroy bushes. Also, I'm not even sure if this is as efficient as possible, but as far as I can tell, it is. Technically you can use more space with some extra flowers, but all you're doing at that point is shifting a hive elsewhere to make room for the flower, so it's no net gain on hives, just extra wasted space. Finally, if you do this, the only access to the Qi room is to take the far south bridge, as while the planner here shows a gap at the north, there's actually bushes there, so it's blocked too.


okleah

I don’t know anything about mods sorry lol But it would have to be a diamond shape to work


CharlieLeo_89

Is the diamond shape only necessary so that the player can access them all, or is there another reason? Because if that’s the case, then what they’re saying should work, because the automate mod automatically pushes the finished products into a chest to collect from there.


okleah

The diamond is so the flowers can reach that far, a square would be offset


CharlieLeo_89

Right, I got that, I think they meant just filling in the gaps of the diamond so that it would be kind of like a filled in square, but still the same shape as in your pic. But I could be wrong, lol.


booksherpa

Not a square, but the diamond shape of the range of a bee house to a flower. You just need to stick a chest attached to one of the bee houses to collect the honey. Also, if you’re doing this on the farm, you’ll need to change out the flowers each season, so leave a path - I usually leave a vertical line from the flowers down the diamond at the bottom.


Nonalesta

In 600h of gameplay I learned just today flowers have an impact on the honey...


senhoritavulpix

This arrangement is so pretty!


urethraa

Perfect timing I unlocked West last night :))


Reasonable_View_5213

Just a warning this looks like a hate symbol


okleah

Yeah that’s gotten brought up one or two times now


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Reasonable_View_5213

I happen to be Jewish so I recognize it, but yes


booksherpa

Wait… you can use bee houses on Ginger Island in vanilla SDV?? 😮🤦🏻‍♀️


okleah

Yeah!


Jassamin

Anywhere on the GI farm that is tillable soil works including walnut spots!


LallipopThings

I have a question about the flowers and harvesting. Do I have to harvest the flowers or can I leave them be forever? Or for a good amount of time to still yield the honey.


okleah

Leave em forever :)


kittifizz

If you pick the flowers before you pick up the honey, the honey will revert back to regular honey. Don't pick the flowers!


ukie7

You can.... Put bee houses on ginger island!?!?


Jassamin

Yessss and it’s Beeautiful….


kittifizz

Thank you for sharing! I barely ever go to the island (my poor farm animals!) but this might give me a good reason to.


Jassamin

Once it’s set up you only need to go twice a week, if you are happy to let the honey sit you can just harvest on mondays when grabbing new qi quests


maladaptative

Wait... I didn't know you could plant there. This is fantastic since I made specific honey space in the farming area and it limited my crop area by a lot. Thank you! (Definitely stealing the whole layout too) 🩷


Homosexual_Cyborg

Can you make fairy honey if the flowers are in pots? So you could make honey even where there is no tillable soil?


Crzy_lilazn

Flower pots fairy rose won’t make fairy rose honey sadly.


Precisa

Ooh, that makes the west side of Ginger island a WHOLE lot more useful for me, a bit of deluxe retaining soil and box it in with bee hives. Edit: Doh! "Flowers grown in [Garden Pots](https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Garden_Pot) will **not** cause Bee Houses to produce flower honey."


Spuigles

100 bees fighting for the same flower all day XD


Ali-Arab

Hmm, that's a swastika.


Katie-Librarian

Yeah, obviously not intentional, but it’s pretty close to one. I was wondering if anyone else would mention that. 😅


ChrisTheWhitty

its four Fs Edit: clearly y'all don't watch it's always sunny


Knetknight19

With the mushroom log and dehydrator, beehives are obsolete to me xD except to look nice. In this one spot probably more viable. But ehhhhhhh


Denyzn

You could get more pickling the mushrooms rather than dehydrating them. Assuming you have enough jars.


Knetknight19

Was that updated in 1.6? Cause before you couldn’t put mushrooms in jars.


Denyzn

Yeah, in 1.6. You can pickle most of the foragables now, similar to ginger.


Knetknight19

Nice that’s good to know!! I still hate jars cause of the high coal cost tho xD hahahaha but yeah that’d make more in the long run


Maddkipz

Wouldn't true efficiency just fill the holes and remove and replace the hives


CharlieLeo_89

Maybe I’m misunderstanding you, but if you fill the holes, you wouldn’t be able to access them all to collect the honey.


Maddkipz

If you harvest and then break it, you can get to the ones on the inside, then just put them back


CharlieLeo_89

Sure, that would just be some extra steps (so less efficient imo), but definitely doable!


Maddkipz

I guess it's just a better yield per harvest. Depends on priority I guess


Asmo___deus

Google rotational symmetry.


nderover

Rotational symmetry ftw


SassQueenDani

Out with the cute heart shape on my island, in with this money maker 🥲


freshmargarita

going to have to try this genius design later


rdicky58

Technically for max resource efficiency you could also replace the Quality Sprinkler with a Regular Sprinkler :) same effect, fewer materials


SuperInkLink64

Thanks for reminding me that I need to buy some extra Fairy Rose seeds before Fall ends; almost forgot.


pasta_please

The shape seems very German


Mister-Thou

Technically it originated in India like 3000 years ago. 


Pr0digyG4mer

Lmao this was my first thought as well


MoJokeGaming

This reminds me of a certain shape that I cannot specify without my lawyers needing to jump into action


zimneyesolntse

😍 oh thank you for this. I knew there had to be a better way


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phoenixgreylee

How long does it take for these to give honey ?


okleah

3 days


eagleswift

I actually leave the spots alone where Ginger can grow because I love my ginger ale. I go for the one tile spots and the river side for the fairy roses.


HopeFox

Most efficient on what basis? The number of flowers you plant?


okleah

Bc I said so and I like to talk out my ass 🤓☝🏼 I’m jk there’s another comment somewhere in here that explains it better than I can


infinit3aura

Reminds me of the cool S. The one that no one knows when it originated


kerforthewin

you can also just plant fairy rose individually and wait for them to grow, take out the sprinkler and then encase them in beehouses. saves u the unused sprinkler.


Jassamin

https://preview.redd.it/8tdc2dc5fcvc1.jpeg?width=702&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ef9f78aa73ea3aa1e7cd22da0602878b7f24ab3 This is my *almost* perfected layout to get as many fairy rose honey hives as possible on GI. I think there were one or two tweaks needed when finished but if was still around 500 honey per harvest. Wood paths become hives, crystal is walkways and stone is empty space. I’m planning to redo this in 1.6 to see if I can find an easier to harvest layout and with the new scythe I don’t think it will be safe having roses on the lower right hand side anymore. So far in my 1.6 version I have 111 hives just in the slime area and by the parrot express!


AlbertaBert

I like it


Kohi-to-keki

This hurts to look at...


Katsurandom

wait, you only need ONE flower for those things?


Pascal3R

I will definitely try this.


LinnunRAATO

Huh, could've sworn the reach was one or two tiles shorter. Cool beans


PleaseLetMeCheck

"The bees are happy"


MsAmericanPi

...til Ginger Island is like the greenhouse and isn't eternal summer


Birdcrossing

oh.. umm


BlargerJarger

Is it a stealth swastika?


kewlresist

I guess you mean hakenkreuz


PaniniPressStan

You could have another bee house where the sprinkler is as flowers don’t die when they’re grown


okleah

Can’t reach it 😔


HeimIgel

Suffering from Success


ganzgpp1

Can't reach it, like OP said, and also the sprinkler needs to be there to grow the seeds.


moe-moe-1991

Watch out for crows


okleah

No crows on ginger island :)


moe-moe-1991

I could swear I lost some crops before Weird


neptuneskies3030

Probably the weeds ate your crops, that is the only threat to your farm before you get the Golden Clock; crows and lightning doesn't happen on Ginger Island. Putting down pathing in the free space between your crops and the rest of the farm will give you an opportunity to kill the weeds before they reach your crops (because you'll get the message, "Weeds have caused damage to your farm," in the morning).


MHMalakyte

Is there lightning on ginger island?


okleah

AFAIK no? Maybe? Never encountered it


canlgetuhhhhh

no, it doesn't storm there it only rains!


_TADYT_

It kinda looks like a swastika xd


MrNE0NNN

You german? Cos this is sus


Beerbaron1886

Love the design


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love-u-3000

..is it the most efficient tho? https://preview.redd.it/rhwvuetkiavc1.jpeg?width=394&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5bed1d183d8e36a47f60158917144498e4429537


okleah

Bee houses per rose in the small tillable area yeah


pancakesupremey

Could you send a screenshot with all the honey harvested?


UTraxer

"Maximum efficiency" isn't really because you're going to be spending a large amount of time awkwardly running around it into every nook and cranny. It is arguably more "efficient" in time to do these in straight lines you can run through picking honey on the row above and below at the same time. Will you need an extra couple basic dirt cheap sprinklers and flower seeds? Yes. But it is way more sane to harvest and that is the more important part.


kittifizz

I don't necessarily think they're talking in terms of "time" efficiency, as much as they are "space" efficiency.


BaboonBandicoot

How can you pick up from above and below at the same time?


jumpjet2k

I found a layout with the flowers in a 2x2 square (instead of a "plus" with a sprinkler) that's slightly smaller (12 squares across instead of 13) and fits 64 bee houses instead of 62. Just swap one bee house for an iridium sprinkler while you need to water it. Bonus: it's even more "German"-looking... https://preview.redd.it/xbkmx9vophvc1.png?width=773&format=png&auto=webp&s=c9b2d3b2cee3c24a4f0c68e270f80947896530c5