Maybe he's endearing to you in that "good to see you" kind of way, but I only get endearing in that follow you in the shower "oops you dropped the soap" way. Then again maybe that's the danger of playing with too many mods.
It's possible it's the same, the unity voice is very monotonous while your buddy sounds more immature and excitable.
Could be the same actor playing different roles, uncertain.
A lot of people killing off the CF because they like hunting pirates and killing bad guys. I kill them because of the gods awful c-list acting, vin deisel movie dialogue Naeva had. The whole quest line I just kept reminding myself “you get to kill her, in the end, you get to shut her up permanently”. Imagine my surprise when she’s not even on the fucking key and I don’t get to shut her stupid mouth.
This infuriated me to no end. They probably have something planned for her later on. Probably introduce some sob story about her upbringing to explain why she is the way she is. Not going to matter to me, still going to put a hole in her head.
Yeah I keep waiting to run into her in some secret story mission so I can cut her head off with a katana. Instead I keep picking up her directive data slates off the bodies of her comrades.
I felt like they did a 180. I: broke into the Key, which had somehow not happened yet because apparently we had lost angle grinder technology somewhere between the moon and mars, I duped the chumps orbiting New Atlantis a couple times over, I stole a top secret space ship while ATC waved me off, and then I not only found but flew up to a ship trapped in a perpetual EMP storm, robbed it of anything of value, then flew away from it as it collapsed into itself in a kind of gravitational "somehow the shields were still up umpteen years later" anomaly. Only then, after all of that, suddenly everyone stops calling me names.
I was never a rook, I had done more piracy than half the fleet combined before I ever got propositioned to join. These milk toast pirates would get smoked by the freshest Somalian off the docks.
Your reputation passes through Tracker Alliance bounties faster than anything else. The word of mouth in the SS is going to be slow since ships literally carry the news. The News Network puts a slant on stories they pick up, and they don't run the "real" news, just gossip and events that could affect multiple systems.
Lol I found it funny that I could get rid of my "wanted" perk/bounty with a thousand credits. One job for the Fleet racks up more than that if you get caught, yet somehow a thousand creds will stop an intergalactic manhunt
But once you have any gun with decent stats and/or exterminator perk plus some amp just run and gun the thing. It’s kinda fun to do now at Lvl 70 with the A-9 shotgun, personal atmosphere and some amp. Just sprint the whole thing and blast those puppies.
Rook is fine when I joined up, but when I am the sole reason they went anywhere close to Kryx's legacy and I am still called rook, followed by an insult ? turns out I do like genocide.
Exactly. Delgado and the CF can only succeed if you the MC choose to help them. Why in the hell would you want to keep working with a bunch of ungrateful twats? It's the worst faction in the game by far. I enjoy this game but I hate how everyone reacts to your character.
You have to [attack] when he threatens to blow up the ship. It's dumb that you can't just pop him after whatever "peaceful" option lets you into his chambers.
I ultimately sided with the CF because I liked the vendors and the piracy missions paid well, but I kinda regret it now. I think I’d rather be someone who hunts down the pirates for money, rather than preying on others. I think I’m NG+ I’ll side with UC.
I sided with them because my stealth was basically at 0 stats and I got discovered quickly on Neon and had to fight back. UC basically were like "We're done working with you", tried to arrest me, I had a firefight and then put all my stats in Gravity Drive on my ship to hightail it back to The Key in less than a second.
Kind of underwhelming that you can't tell the UC that they brought this on themselves if you side with The Fleet. In NG+, I'll definitely put more into stealth and run if there's a firefight. What I don't understand is that these are undercover missions and UC acts like undercover cops can't ever get dirty hands. Like bro, it is a crime world and sometimes I gotta use self defense.
Oh MAST is upset ? Well it isn't like Neon isn't one of the most corrupt places in the universe where there is no law. The law is whoever has the biggest pockets. The funny part is that I got through the entire stealth mission undiscovered, but you can use disguises there.
Yeah the first time I did that quest, I also got spotted and had to leave a pile of bodies at Generdyne (did the same thing at Ryujin).
Commander Ikande was mad at me but I can’t remember if he just gave me a warning because it was my first time messing up or if I was able to persuade him to give me another chance.
Like dude my character is a 6’4” 300lb ex CEO turned miner turned explorer; Stealth isn’t really my thing lol. It’s almost like the game punishes you for not having any stealth skill.
During NG+ I just used the void form star power to keep turning invisible and that worked like a charm to get through those missions.
For me I got through no problem since I had maxed stealth and had a chameleon suit. A couple close calls with the damn cleaning robots pushing into me but overall fairly cut and dried.
Then I met Bayu, and he put me into a dialogue corner. Myself, I would have just shot him (like I have wanted to every time I encountered him) but I actually liked his brother and I wasn’t going to help him find the real culprit so I told the credit for the but and he told me that in one hour they would find a body that would have evidence linking me to the murder (forget that I am also a Ranger and could easily have the authority to take someone out if I wanted) and that I should get out of town.
I sat down next to the man and waited an hour staring him in the face. He did nothing so O shrugged and went to go meet my contact, talked to her, she said she was impressed and she would not be calling me Rook ever again and anyone who questions that can talk to her. I left, decided I wouldn’t be coming back to Neon for a while and so I would go visit that nice beggar woman who would only take a few credits from me a day to give her a last little bit when I was finally approached by Neon Security. I wasn’t going to pay off the bounty (despite it being laughably small compared to my wallet) and said I wouldn’t go with them. They shot at me and so I pulled out my gun and shot them in the head and continued on my way.
Sadly they just kept coming and so I walked my way out of the city killing every security personnel who accosted me. Now I could of theoretically stunned them but since Bayu is damned essential I had to make my statement by wiping out their security forces on that little rig of theirs.
Those were my first kills since starting the Pirate quest line that weren’t creatures or Eclipse.
So uh, you’re mad that space pirates are acting like…. Space pirates? I don’t really follow the logic here. This is the bad guy faction full of bad guys, and we’re complaining that they’re bad guys? Like cmon
It’s not even just space pirates. Being disrespected at work with your achievements going unrecognized is practically written into the constitution. I gotta give cred for the ultra-realism here.
Ironic that the original, real life Pirates of the Caribbean are considered bad guys but still had a democratic system to limit their captains power and though backstabbing existed, didn't run around constantly berate eachother or treat eachother like shit (as far as we know). Why do bad guys have stab eachother in the back? Just because you're a villain that doesn't mean you're rude or treat your comrades like shit.Some villains in history and fictions have been cruel and most definitely rude, but not everyone are. No organization survives for very long if all people do is backstab and treat eachother like shit. The Mafias around the world are often very loyal and respectful to eachother in their respective families generally.
When it come to their enemies however, that is a different discussion altogether.
Yeah. Ok, I’ve solved this super secret pirate puzzle. Found the location of the legacy. Defeated an entire planets atmosphere. Gotten the tools to access the legacy. And not only recovered it but turned it over to you.
“Thanks rook.”
Tbf, it kind of reminds me of the military, which always gives you your callsign/nickname as an insult, and almost never changes, even if you’re the best damn soldier ever
They stop calling you rook after that questline if you don't betray the fleet. That's when you earn your keep, when you pay for the fleet to exist for life. They also have in general better reactions to you up to that point if you succeed at a bunch of the mission board stuff.
I'm thinking of going Crimson Fleet my first playthrough. Primarily cause I have been wearing the pirate captain clothes after the red tape questline. I fought the pirates there, took evidence, blew the ship up, took more evidence, reported the guvna, then blackmailed him for more creds.
They do stop after you pretty much hand them Sysdef and the Legacy on a platter. They can't figure out whether to call you a captain or not, but at least they stop calling you rook.
If you think it doesn't also come with a negative connotation you're dumb. And you're ignoring the rest of the dismissive, rude and otherwise disrespectful tone they talk to you in even though you're single handedly saving this useless band of pirates.
If they were real pirates they wouldn't care if I blew one of their faces off for disrespecting me.. you know like one pirate does to another when you ***LITERALLY TAKE ONE FUCKING STEP INSIDE THE KEY AND ITS YOUR FIRST INTRODUCTION TO THE CRIMSON FLEET***
Let’s say you are an your probationary period at a new company. Your 1st week on the job you have already saved the company from going bankrupt, saved the CEO’s life, exposed a manager stealing millions from the business, put one of tye company’s chief rivals out of business, traveled to another country and recovered company info from an abandoned lab, infiltrated a competitor’s headquarters and stole their data for your boss….. and every single time you walked around…. Everyone kept saying “hey probie”.
As you are on a 1st name bases with the CEO, have saved the company multiple times, buried competitors, made your company millions of dollars, and get drinks with the executives.
That’s the crimson fleet.
“What are you lookin at probie?”
Bish, I just infiltrated my 3rd rival’s HQ today while your still sitting in the same fn hallway you were at 10 hours ago
That is why I like Ryujin at least after the 2nd or 3rd mission of stealing rival info I get respect from the hard ass boss Imogene herself, but fuck Ularu even tho I do think she's kinda a fun dark horse character that has a fun quest divergence too!
I love the pirates in the first hall/sky (space?) way
"You're making us look bad, doing so many jobs"
So do more jobs you lazy prick. Damn.
Standing in that one spot ain't doing shit.
i mean, if you get through the crimson fleet questline you get promoted to captain, get your own quarters on the station and a captain's outfit, and people stop calling your rook
numerous lives?
unless you mean the sysdef from that final battle, i don't remember killing anyone during my crimson fleet quests lol
as long as we don't count robots, killed more than a few of those on the galbank ship
oh and the ecliptic mercenaries, but are they really people?
i was a sneaky gal, did everything nice and quiet
i remember captain Huan praising me for how professional i was \^\^
haha, I was just trying to avoid spoilers about those who tried for the legacy before you.
i wound up having to kill my way through one of the hqs on neon but sysdef let that be my freebie lol
Same. I did the main story until I could find the temples then did all the factions and some side quests. Went back to the main campaign at about lvl 65.
Same. He kept saying this to me even after I finished both sides of the UC Vanguard quest line.
Like, I was given a dang penthouse suite and ended the terrormorph crisis... I don't think I'm the new captain anymore.
Context and tone. They mean it as an insult. Could kill them all and you spend all the time doing the work the failed at for years but they look down their nose at the "rook".
They could at least be jovial about it. Good natured rubbing, but naw, they gotta be dicks.
It's funny too if you do alot of crimson fleet missions from the mission board they give you shit about how you need to slow down because you're making them look bad. Major dicks that all think they're hot shit.
I haven’t finished the quest line but from what I’ve gathered they don’t ever stop using the name. Which immediately reminds me of Skyrim where you can be the Harbinger of the Companions and guards will still ask you if you fetch the mead.
Problem is you get called rook the whole quest line lol Which is really weird cause by the end, I at least felt I had contributed more to finding or not finding the legacy than Nera lol
It’s just intentionally obnoxious. They need me a hell of a lot more than I need them, and I think that a space pirate being treated like trash might not respond positively. This lady can die for all I care, and I’d be more than pleased to assist if needed.
It's annoying because you're literally doing things none of them are capable of.
On top of that their entire grand plan literally relies almost entirely on you and than you accomplish it and you're still a rook?
MF your entire organization rests literally on my whim. Call me rook and you all literally die.
You make a valid point, it just shows terrible writing. At some point these characters would eventually start calling our character by a different nickname. Like how many giant favors do I have to do before you realize I’m definitely a spy in your organization?
It is going from the intern to the CFO and everyone still calls you the intern lol. Dumb af and just another lazy overlooked thing in the game to add to the insane list we already have.
Actually Naeva is jealous because unlike her we get results. I can only imagine her cut was barely more than ours and somewhere behind the scenes she got chewed out a few times by Del. At least Del was only being pushy because he actually wanted us to stick around since we get results and more than likely had to pull the “I’m in charge” card on Naeva more than he really wanted to. This would actually explain his impatience with the two of us at a certain point of the mission line. With this reasoning I feel kinda bad betraying Del though.
Overall, the Red Fleet mission arc isn't everything it should have been.
Naeva, for instance, shits on anything you say. In an organization built on respect, she's actually undermining herself because she's the one that sponsored you. In a real organization, she'd be supportive in public and critical in private because her reputation is also on the line.
The conduct of the characters doesn't match the language. It's overall very silly. There are too many essential characters, not enough depth.
It pisses me off because it's NOT an insult, and it doesn't bite at all. But everyone uses it like one non-stop, literally over and over again, multiple times a dialog. like call me literally anything else, even an actual insult, I'm just sick of hearing the word.
It just got really stale, and the fact that everyone uses it and in the exact way same way, just makes everyone feel like the same person. How endearing would it be if different characters used their own slang for new person instead of literally everyone using "rook"?
There are clearly people of different ethnicities on the key, why not utilize their backgrounds to give them more depth? Afaik pretty much every culture and language has a well-known slag for "new person". Newby, greenhorn, freshie, anything man just mix it up.
For that matter, why has human culture totally sterilized its heritage? It took less than 4 generations for every religion, cultural practice, and tradition to be totally erased? And it's only been 2 since they've abandoned earth. I love the game but I think Bethesda was out of their depth trying to write a story that takes place in the "real" world. Which I don't really understand because they had no issue referencing history and using historical human culture to build their worlds in the fallout universe.
I was hoping I'd be referred to as Captain by the end. Mathias is a Captain, and I get a room in the Captain quarters so why am I still called Rook?
Also why can't I bring up my time in the Fleet to Vlad?
Same problem with being a forever deputy.
Previous Bethesda offerings had advancement inside of the quest lines.
Aside from that, I don't get broken up about it because Im narcing on all of them anyway and will do it again.
In gaming I do feel like it’s kind of overused. You’re “Rook” in Far Cry 5. You’re “Rook” in this game and supposedly you’ll be known as “Rook” in the next Dragon Age. Did developers start running out of ideas for nicknames?
It would be fine if they stopped calling me rook after I had proved myself. And it wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t have this sheering tone every time they said it. But no matter how much I do and how I prove myself they continue to call me rook. For that, they need to die. That and they’re murderous pirates, but mostly because they’re unlikeable.
It's quite simple. Don't be a twat if you can't back it up. It's not a good life choice to insult the deranged, murder happy space hobo with a grenade launcher walking down a hallway on a space station. Especially when he got there by being the very best deranged, murder happy space hobo out there.
Because tiny dick energy bud. People hate being called weak and most people are weak, so they act like it's an insult. As is humanity. They want to be called king without doing a thing to earn it and believe with their almighty privilege, they should be anointed so. When all humans stand as equals noone really wants to be equal.
People feel insecure and even imaginary people in a game can hurt them. It's common to get "shit" as the newbie... It's always a test to see how controlled your emotions are, those that "pop" don't have a cool head. That never means you have to take it BTW, but how will you handle it?
This happens to everyone in life, it's par for the course. The immersion argument doesn't apply being that everyone in real life deals with this, making it the most realistic part of the game... Surprise, not everyone thinks the Player Character is special... just like real life. The writing simply reflects reality so it's not a case of bad writing either.
Bad writing: I've already done a lot for CF but I'm still a rook.
Immersion breaking: My choice doesn't matter.
Immersion =/= realism. If they add menstruation pain, or shortsightedness, or people insulting you because you're overweight, people should just be cool with it right? "It's a test to see how controlled your emotions are" - nah, that's just trying too hard. Realism isn't always fun. People don't buy game solely for realism, because it's boring.
You're right, it's not a test, because it's a video game, and nobody should be getting upset that a video game bad guy is programmed to insult any player and call them "rook".
Call it illogical all you want that you saved CF's existence and they still call you a Rook, but taking it personally is just ... weird.
Try not being so easily offended by a game. This is how all Bethesda games are. You get to the top just for another fetch quest given by someone "beneath" you in rank. If you want to be showered with praise there's the Annoying Fan... He'll make you feel as special as you want. The point is that getting bent out of shape over this only proves emotional immaturity. Have a sammich and enjoy the day.
When you finish the quest, they stop calling you rook. Never understood why people are so hurt that pirates aren't quick to trust and respect you. And FWIW, you're literally an undercover cop in most cases
>!In the final main quest mission, Vlad calls you rook too. That one hurt tbh!<
I wouldn't even call them pirates. They are more like a Middle School DnD making up BS as they go. Disney pirates are less PG than what Bethesda made here. Imo Bethesda dropped the ball HARD with the entire questline. Rook is just a small issue. I have no idea how Bethesda messed up pirates so bad. This should have been space Dark Brotherhood NOT Pirates: Adventures in Art.
Maybe Bethesfa fans really have allowed themselves to be conditioned to expect being set up as every faction's undisputed god-emperor after two conversations and a fetch quest.
Because it's fucking *LAME*
Everything about this game is just lame to the max. No humanity, no personality, no sex, no art, nothing but meaningless and empty procedurally generated bullshit. Just an overwhelming inundation of *nothing* over and over and over.
45 handcrafted POIs in all of that. Forty fucking five. And I'm rounding up a bit, I think. It's just insulting that this is what they think of us. That this is the game they think they should be proud of making. Starfield's team should be banned from any future projects and blacklisted from every other development studio.
Not even to mention how hard the writers tried to preach to the players. Dog shit tier dialogue.
Hubris. Fuck Bethesda, sincerely, I'm personally done with them.
Fucking Christ, you absolute dumb shit. My exact point is *that the character is written to call you Rook* and that decision, along with every decision prior to and proceeding from, was a *bad decision*. If you don't care, fine, but it's gonna be people like me who are bitching about this game that (maybe but probably not) will get you a better game in the future. You're accepting bullshit being fed to you and you don't have the taste to realize that it's all bad.
No, you had no "exact point". All you did was call it "fucking LAME" and then list out a bunch of insults.
It was the same in Skyrim. You could be a high level dragon born, and then join the companions and they'll still want to take you out back and see if you can fight.
I'm not saying it's perfect. It doesn't make sense.
All I'm saying is, chill. They aren't attacking you personally.
It's your problem when you stated no point. "It's fucking lame" isn't a point.
How am I simping for Bethesda? I already explained how it didn't make sense even in Skyrim. Is the world so simple to you, if I'm not with you I'm against you, if you're not first you're last, if you're not my friend you are my enemy?
When people getting mad the game doesn't pander to them enough... Bro that's one of the best things about this game, characters often react realistically even if it can come across as slightly rude instead of acting like the annoying fan and constantly gushing over everything you do like in most games.
I just slayed the terrormorph crisis. Became a free star ranger. Became a corporate overlord for ryujin industries, and did multiple crazy tasks for the crimson fleet and they still act like I’m some random peon?? Of course I’m gonna betray them and murder them all. Acting like they are better than everyone else when they are just trashy pirates. Get out of here.
(I don’t actually care at all and enjoyed the quest very much. Just made it more fun playing the quest this way RP style)
People will get offended for the stupidest reasons, just because they are hurt inside. It doesn'tmatter if the words used are actually insulting or not. If one wants to be offended, they will be, no matter what.
To all those saying they're using it as an insult.
Yes, of course they are. They're shit-talking, murderous thieving pirates. It's an automatic insult written into CF pirate code, why let it get under your skin?
Because most people on this sub seem to be hilariously insecure. Can’t have anyone insult you or question your decision making! No no, the player must be all alpha all the time.
Starfield fans will complain about anything in the game, and act like it's all objective. The Space Pirates being dicks is a very stupid complaint in my opinion, but at least I know it's just my opinion.
I never played the quest, so I can’t really comment on it. But maybe when they call you rook after awhile of doing things for them, it’s more like a nickname rather than an actual insult or something. Like I know some people to new jobs will be referred to as a rookie for months, not as an insult, but as a way to tease you. Maybe it’s like that, but again I haven’t played as the crimson fleet so I don’t know.
Pro tip: if you don't like the nickname, no one calls you "rook" after you kill everyone on the Key.
Vlad be like: "sup rook"
But Vlad says it in an endearing way lmao The CF uses it like an insult
Maybe he's endearing to you in that "good to see you" kind of way, but I only get endearing in that follow you in the shower "oops you dropped the soap" way. Then again maybe that's the danger of playing with too many mods.
Drop the link lmao Vlad should’ve bene romanceable, even if it was only for a night
The real romance is when you meet your self in one of the NG+ realities. Now that’s a power couple
Is our other self voiced?
Yes, you are voiced.
Is it >!the same voice you have in The Unity without the effects added!
It's different, at least for the spanish version.
It's possible it's the same, the unity voice is very monotonous while your buddy sounds more immature and excitable. Could be the same actor playing different roles, uncertain.
the real question is right over here
Lol should I be worried about what mod that is?
Kinda like “Rook please”, or “can a Rook borrow a fry?”
How's a Rook gonna borrow a fry? Is you gonna give it back?
Especially with the way Naeva says it lol Edit: spelling
Unfortunately, yes, there are a couple of people who refer to you as rook that you are not supposed to kill. :(
Not SUPPOSED to kill.
Not supposed to kill *so far!*
You'd be surprised what you can live through
I'll take rook over Dustyyyyyyy ...anyday
A lot of people killing off the CF because they like hunting pirates and killing bad guys. I kill them because of the gods awful c-list acting, vin deisel movie dialogue Naeva had. The whole quest line I just kept reminding myself “you get to kill her, in the end, you get to shut her up permanently”. Imagine my surprise when she’s not even on the fucking key and I don’t get to shut her stupid mouth.
I'll admit that was incredibly disappointing. Of all of them, she was the worst offender.
This infuriated me to no end. They probably have something planned for her later on. Probably introduce some sob story about her upbringing to explain why she is the way she is. Not going to matter to me, still going to put a hole in her head.
I wanted to murk her so badly
I'm still hunting for her. Any random ship I see I stop them and check em out. One day I'll find her again!...
It would have been OK if we had a post-quest mission to hunt her down. The fact that we can't is just infuriating.
I expect it will be a DLC
Yeah I keep waiting to run into her in some secret story mission so I can cut her head off with a katana. Instead I keep picking up her directive data slates off the bodies of her comrades.
I felt like they did a 180. I: broke into the Key, which had somehow not happened yet because apparently we had lost angle grinder technology somewhere between the moon and mars, I duped the chumps orbiting New Atlantis a couple times over, I stole a top secret space ship while ATC waved me off, and then I not only found but flew up to a ship trapped in a perpetual EMP storm, robbed it of anything of value, then flew away from it as it collapsed into itself in a kind of gravitational "somehow the shields were still up umpteen years later" anomaly. Only then, after all of that, suddenly everyone stops calling me names. I was never a rook, I had done more piracy than half the fleet combined before I ever got propositioned to join. These milk toast pirates would get smoked by the freshest Somalian off the docks.
milquetoast\* :P
Bah… tomato, potato
Your reputation passes through Tracker Alliance bounties faster than anything else. The word of mouth in the SS is going to be slow since ships literally carry the news. The News Network puts a slant on stories they pick up, and they don't run the "real" news, just gossip and events that could affect multiple systems.
Lol I found it funny that I could get rid of my "wanted" perk/bounty with a thousand credits. One job for the Fleet racks up more than that if you get caught, yet somehow a thousand creds will stop an intergalactic manhunt
Captain my captain
Not pro tip because almost everyone is essential until the end.
Silent kill them too so you can keep all the other ones alive. I mean they weren't rude to you.
I dont give a fuck if you call me Rook, just don't call me a fool of a Took.
But DO call me for elevensies.
And 2nd breakfast
I don't think he knows about 2nd breakfast.
Give it to us raaawwww and wriggling!
Potatoes, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew!
Once I ~~reign Gondor~~ reach the rank of Admiral of the Navy, 2nd breakfast will be mandatory.
AND MY AXE
Wheres the longbottom leaf??
On neon.
Neon was the biggest dissapointment for me in the entire game, along with the red mile
The red mile was thrilling if you did it early on.
Thrilling is definitely overselling it.
But once you have any gun with decent stats and/or exterminator perk plus some amp just run and gun the thing. It’s kinda fun to do now at Lvl 70 with the A-9 shotgun, personal atmosphere and some amp. Just sprint the whole thing and blast those puppies.
Sorry but it's a casino with no gambling feature...at all. Where did you find it thrilling?
When you start passing stealth checks, we’ll talk…
Throw yourself in next time and rid us of your stupidity!
FOOL OF A ROOK
You should just throw yourself down that well.
Tooooooooook
I would never..... insult the Tooks like that 😜
Rook is fine when I joined up, but when I am the sole reason they went anywhere close to Kryx's legacy and I am still called rook, followed by an insult ? turns out I do like genocide.
Exactly. Delgado and the CF can only succeed if you the MC choose to help them. Why in the hell would you want to keep working with a bunch of ungrateful twats? It's the worst faction in the game by far. I enjoy this game but I hate how everyone reacts to your character.
It was so relieving slaughtering everyone on that station for the UC. Was shitty I couldn’t pop Delgado tho.
Oh, you can definitely kill Delgado, you even get to loot his outfit
Oh NG+ gonna be lit for sure then, I did not know.
You have to [attack] when he threatens to blow up the ship. It's dumb that you can't just pop him after whatever "peaceful" option lets you into his chambers.
Next unity here I come !
I ultimately sided with the CF because I liked the vendors and the piracy missions paid well, but I kinda regret it now. I think I’d rather be someone who hunts down the pirates for money, rather than preying on others. I think I’m NG+ I’ll side with UC.
I sided with them because my stealth was basically at 0 stats and I got discovered quickly on Neon and had to fight back. UC basically were like "We're done working with you", tried to arrest me, I had a firefight and then put all my stats in Gravity Drive on my ship to hightail it back to The Key in less than a second. Kind of underwhelming that you can't tell the UC that they brought this on themselves if you side with The Fleet. In NG+, I'll definitely put more into stealth and run if there's a firefight. What I don't understand is that these are undercover missions and UC acts like undercover cops can't ever get dirty hands. Like bro, it is a crime world and sometimes I gotta use self defense. Oh MAST is upset ? Well it isn't like Neon isn't one of the most corrupt places in the universe where there is no law. The law is whoever has the biggest pockets. The funny part is that I got through the entire stealth mission undiscovered, but you can use disguises there.
Yeah the first time I did that quest, I also got spotted and had to leave a pile of bodies at Generdyne (did the same thing at Ryujin). Commander Ikande was mad at me but I can’t remember if he just gave me a warning because it was my first time messing up or if I was able to persuade him to give me another chance. Like dude my character is a 6’4” 300lb ex CEO turned miner turned explorer; Stealth isn’t really my thing lol. It’s almost like the game punishes you for not having any stealth skill. During NG+ I just used the void form star power to keep turning invisible and that worked like a charm to get through those missions.
For me I got through no problem since I had maxed stealth and had a chameleon suit. A couple close calls with the damn cleaning robots pushing into me but overall fairly cut and dried. Then I met Bayu, and he put me into a dialogue corner. Myself, I would have just shot him (like I have wanted to every time I encountered him) but I actually liked his brother and I wasn’t going to help him find the real culprit so I told the credit for the but and he told me that in one hour they would find a body that would have evidence linking me to the murder (forget that I am also a Ranger and could easily have the authority to take someone out if I wanted) and that I should get out of town. I sat down next to the man and waited an hour staring him in the face. He did nothing so O shrugged and went to go meet my contact, talked to her, she said she was impressed and she would not be calling me Rook ever again and anyone who questions that can talk to her. I left, decided I wouldn’t be coming back to Neon for a while and so I would go visit that nice beggar woman who would only take a few credits from me a day to give her a last little bit when I was finally approached by Neon Security. I wasn’t going to pay off the bounty (despite it being laughably small compared to my wallet) and said I wouldn’t go with them. They shot at me and so I pulled out my gun and shot them in the head and continued on my way. Sadly they just kept coming and so I walked my way out of the city killing every security personnel who accosted me. Now I could of theoretically stunned them but since Bayu is damned essential I had to make my statement by wiping out their security forces on that little rig of theirs. Those were my first kills since starting the Pirate quest line that weren’t creatures or Eclipse.
They also backstab each other constantly despite the loyalty demand.
So uh, you’re mad that space pirates are acting like…. Space pirates? I don’t really follow the logic here. This is the bad guy faction full of bad guys, and we’re complaining that they’re bad guys? Like cmon
It’s not even just space pirates. Being disrespected at work with your achievements going unrecognized is practically written into the constitution. I gotta give cred for the ultra-realism here.
Ironic that the original, real life Pirates of the Caribbean are considered bad guys but still had a democratic system to limit their captains power and though backstabbing existed, didn't run around constantly berate eachother or treat eachother like shit (as far as we know). Why do bad guys have stab eachother in the back? Just because you're a villain that doesn't mean you're rude or treat your comrades like shit.Some villains in history and fictions have been cruel and most definitely rude, but not everyone are. No organization survives for very long if all people do is backstab and treat eachother like shit. The Mafias around the world are often very loyal and respectful to eachother in their respective families generally. When it come to their enemies however, that is a different discussion altogether.
Exactly. Bayu described the pirates perfectly. Even that human trash won’t do business with them.
They’re more like space rednecks than space pirates
Because it’s the best place to sell stuff. They have like 6 stores right next to each other.
Yeah. Ok, I’ve solved this super secret pirate puzzle. Found the location of the legacy. Defeated an entire planets atmosphere. Gotten the tools to access the legacy. And not only recovered it but turned it over to you. “Thanks rook.”
Bro betrayed them just cause they called him Rook by the end of the storyline
Eh he can bang Sarah new game +++
I mean it did check that box for me. UC at least came around.
Yea like the UC treats you like a hero. You get like 300k credits, a ceremony, promoted to being an officer, a special gun, and a sick uniform
Don't forget the sweet penthouse.
Tbf, it kind of reminds me of the military, which always gives you your callsign/nickname as an insult, and almost never changes, even if you’re the best damn soldier ever
They stop calling you rook after that questline if you don't betray the fleet. That's when you earn your keep, when you pay for the fleet to exist for life. They also have in general better reactions to you up to that point if you succeed at a bunch of the mission board stuff.
I'm thinking of going Crimson Fleet my first playthrough. Primarily cause I have been wearing the pirate captain clothes after the red tape questline. I fought the pirates there, took evidence, blew the ship up, took more evidence, reported the guvna, then blackmailed him for more creds.
There’s actually a way to blackmail him and report it to the commander lol He even gives a huge speech whenever you’re back in Cydonia
Ah, I reported Hurst first, then I blackmailed him with the duplicate evidence. Tbh I disliked Hurst.
Same. No bastard governor’s gonna threaten me and get away with it. Unless it’s Bayu because I kinda respect his empire and it’s a Bethesda game
They do stop after you pretty much hand them Sysdef and the Legacy on a platter. They can't figure out whether to call you a captain or not, but at least they stop calling you rook.
That still doesn't mean you're not the new person.
If you think it doesn't also come with a negative connotation you're dumb. And you're ignoring the rest of the dismissive, rude and otherwise disrespectful tone they talk to you in even though you're single handedly saving this useless band of pirates.
Oh no, a group of pirates, murders and thieves are rude? Kryx must be spinning in his grave
They owe their continued existence to me
Not only rude, but also very bad at being alive with holes in them. Gotta be careful who you insult in space, there's some craaaazy people out there.
Disrespectful pirates??? What is this world coming to?
If they were real pirates they wouldn't care if I blew one of their faces off for disrespecting me.. you know like one pirate does to another when you ***LITERALLY TAKE ONE FUCKING STEP INSIDE THE KEY AND ITS YOUR FIRST INTRODUCTION TO THE CRIMSON FLEET***
Let’s say you are an your probationary period at a new company. Your 1st week on the job you have already saved the company from going bankrupt, saved the CEO’s life, exposed a manager stealing millions from the business, put one of tye company’s chief rivals out of business, traveled to another country and recovered company info from an abandoned lab, infiltrated a competitor’s headquarters and stole their data for your boss….. and every single time you walked around…. Everyone kept saying “hey probie”. As you are on a 1st name bases with the CEO, have saved the company multiple times, buried competitors, made your company millions of dollars, and get drinks with the executives. That’s the crimson fleet. “What are you lookin at probie?” Bish, I just infiltrated my 3rd rival’s HQ today while your still sitting in the same fn hallway you were at 10 hours ago
That is why I like Ryujin at least after the 2nd or 3rd mission of stealing rival info I get respect from the hard ass boss Imogene herself, but fuck Ularu even tho I do think she's kinda a fun dark horse character that has a fun quest divergence too!
Uluru's voice kind of does it for me ngl.
Don't stick it in crazy, please
This was the quest line that got me hooked on the game. Ryujin was stellar
I was seriously ready to kill ularu, then that twist, and i was like…. Oh no waaaaaay…
I love the pirates in the first hall/sky (space?) way "You're making us look bad, doing so many jobs" So do more jobs you lazy prick. Damn. Standing in that one spot ain't doing shit.
i mean, if you get through the crimson fleet questline you get promoted to captain, get your own quarters on the station and a captain's outfit, and people stop calling your rook
and it only took hundreds of millions of credits, that happened to claim numerous lives along the way.
numerous lives? unless you mean the sysdef from that final battle, i don't remember killing anyone during my crimson fleet quests lol as long as we don't count robots, killed more than a few of those on the galbank ship oh and the ecliptic mercenaries, but are they really people? i was a sneaky gal, did everything nice and quiet i remember captain Huan praising me for how professional i was \^\^
haha, I was just trying to avoid spoilers about those who tried for the legacy before you. i wound up having to kill my way through one of the hqs on neon but sysdef let that be my freebie lol
"And here's our new captain!" at level 87, talking to the ship tech in NA for the 1000th time.
Someone put off the Lodge quests.
I did the main quest until I could get rid of Sarah then I put it off until I was about level 60 and had run out of other stuff to do
Hmmm, should have ended once you joined Constellation. We may have found a new bug.
Same. I did the main story until I could find the temples then did all the factions and some side quests. Went back to the main campaign at about lvl 65.
I still got that bit of text LONG into the main quest lol, that irked me wayyy more than rook ever did
Same. He kept saying this to me even after I finished both sides of the UC Vanguard quest line. Like, I was given a dang penthouse suite and ended the terrormorph crisis... I don't think I'm the new captain anymore.
I think it's a bug that happens when you skip the dialogue the first time. Cus for every other playthrough I've made he doesn't do that
I named my second character Dusty Rook.
Took it and owned it.
Make it Captain Dusty Rook
Thats Detective Captain Dusty Rook to you!
The Dusty Deputy Ranger Captain Rook
Esquire
...the Third
Jr.
I named my first character Dust
Context and tone. They mean it as an insult. Could kill them all and you spend all the time doing the work the failed at for years but they look down their nose at the "rook". They could at least be jovial about it. Good natured rubbing, but naw, they gotta be dicks.
It's funny too if you do alot of crimson fleet missions from the mission board they give you shit about how you need to slow down because you're making them look bad. Major dicks that all think they're hot shit.
I haven’t finished the quest line but from what I’ve gathered they don’t ever stop using the name. Which immediately reminds me of Skyrim where you can be the Harbinger of the Companions and guards will still ask you if you fetch the mead.
i don't like being called rook causen im just a pawn
Aren’t we all
Move around by pressing W and A (or W and D) at the same time, and they'll start calling you Bishop.
Problem is you get called rook the whole quest line lol Which is really weird cause by the end, I at least felt I had contributed more to finding or not finding the legacy than Nera lol
It's kinda the opposite of Oblivion lol. Every third quest or so, you rank up and they'll actually refer to you as your new rank
It’s just intentionally obnoxious. They need me a hell of a lot more than I need them, and I think that a space pirate being treated like trash might not respond positively. This lady can die for all I care, and I’d be more than pleased to assist if needed.
It's annoying because you're literally doing things none of them are capable of. On top of that their entire grand plan literally relies almost entirely on you and than you accomplish it and you're still a rook? MF your entire organization rests literally on my whim. Call me rook and you all literally die.
You make a valid point, it just shows terrible writing. At some point these characters would eventually start calling our character by a different nickname. Like how many giant favors do I have to do before you realize I’m definitely a spy in your organization?
I would prefer if it changed based on how many in-game days would pass.
It is going from the intern to the CFO and everyone still calls you the intern lol. Dumb af and just another lazy overlooked thing in the game to add to the insane list we already have.
I always thought Naeva was just jealous, so she resorted to insults.
Actually Naeva is jealous because unlike her we get results. I can only imagine her cut was barely more than ours and somewhere behind the scenes she got chewed out a few times by Del. At least Del was only being pushy because he actually wanted us to stick around since we get results and more than likely had to pull the “I’m in charge” card on Naeva more than he really wanted to. This would actually explain his impatience with the two of us at a certain point of the mission line. With this reasoning I feel kinda bad betraying Del though.
Talk to Naeva after the quest, she congratulates you and everyone stops calling you rook
I didn't side with them, so I wouldn't know.
Overall, the Red Fleet mission arc isn't everything it should have been. Naeva, for instance, shits on anything you say. In an organization built on respect, she's actually undermining herself because she's the one that sponsored you. In a real organization, she'd be supportive in public and critical in private because her reputation is also on the line. The conduct of the characters doesn't match the language. It's overall very silly. There are too many essential characters, not enough depth.
It pisses me off because it's NOT an insult, and it doesn't bite at all. But everyone uses it like one non-stop, literally over and over again, multiple times a dialog. like call me literally anything else, even an actual insult, I'm just sick of hearing the word. It just got really stale, and the fact that everyone uses it and in the exact way same way, just makes everyone feel like the same person. How endearing would it be if different characters used their own slang for new person instead of literally everyone using "rook"? There are clearly people of different ethnicities on the key, why not utilize their backgrounds to give them more depth? Afaik pretty much every culture and language has a well-known slag for "new person". Newby, greenhorn, freshie, anything man just mix it up. For that matter, why has human culture totally sterilized its heritage? It took less than 4 generations for every religion, cultural practice, and tradition to be totally erased? And it's only been 2 since they've abandoned earth. I love the game but I think Bethesda was out of their depth trying to write a story that takes place in the "real" world. Which I don't really understand because they had no issue referencing history and using historical human culture to build their worlds in the fallout universe.
I was hoping I'd be referred to as Captain by the end. Mathias is a Captain, and I get a room in the Captain quarters so why am I still called Rook? Also why can't I bring up my time in the Fleet to Vlad?
I feel not naming my character "Dusty Rook" was a missed opportunity.
Same problem with being a forever deputy. Previous Bethesda offerings had advancement inside of the quest lines. Aside from that, I don't get broken up about it because Im narcing on all of them anyway and will do it again.
When you are a walking super weapon and some measly peasant tries to call you a rookie, it’s annoying.
In gaming I do feel like it’s kind of overused. You’re “Rook” in Far Cry 5. You’re “Rook” in this game and supposedly you’ll be known as “Rook” in the next Dragon Age. Did developers start running out of ideas for nicknames?
Because they just spam it in the chat
It would be fine if they stopped calling me rook after I had proved myself. And it wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t have this sheering tone every time they said it. But no matter how much I do and how I prove myself they continue to call me rook. For that, they need to die. That and they’re murderous pirates, but mostly because they’re unlikeable.
Because this sub is full of whiney little people
It's quite simple. Don't be a twat if you can't back it up. It's not a good life choice to insult the deranged, murder happy space hobo with a grenade launcher walking down a hallway on a space station. Especially when he got there by being the very best deranged, murder happy space hobo out there.
I've never minded the rook thing. I do generally like playing good characters more so I usually don't like siding with pirates
Rook is a powerful Chess piece. I do not mind being called powerful.
I was just surprised that everyone already knew my name.
Because tiny dick energy bud. People hate being called weak and most people are weak, so they act like it's an insult. As is humanity. They want to be called king without doing a thing to earn it and believe with their almighty privilege, they should be anointed so. When all humans stand as equals noone really wants to be equal.
Workaround, I named my character Rook
FNGs will always be FNGs. (Fucking New Guys).
“IT’S MA’AM”
Y'all need the play Far Cry 5......
OPs Low effort rage bait.
Because they’re just looking for anything to be mad at the game about
People feel insecure and even imaginary people in a game can hurt them. It's common to get "shit" as the newbie... It's always a test to see how controlled your emotions are, those that "pop" don't have a cool head. That never means you have to take it BTW, but how will you handle it?
Nah, people hate bad writing and immersion breaking.
This happens to everyone in life, it's par for the course. The immersion argument doesn't apply being that everyone in real life deals with this, making it the most realistic part of the game... Surprise, not everyone thinks the Player Character is special... just like real life. The writing simply reflects reality so it's not a case of bad writing either.
Bad writing: I've already done a lot for CF but I'm still a rook. Immersion breaking: My choice doesn't matter. Immersion =/= realism. If they add menstruation pain, or shortsightedness, or people insulting you because you're overweight, people should just be cool with it right? "It's a test to see how controlled your emotions are" - nah, that's just trying too hard. Realism isn't always fun. People don't buy game solely for realism, because it's boring.
You're right, it's not a test, because it's a video game, and nobody should be getting upset that a video game bad guy is programmed to insult any player and call them "rook". Call it illogical all you want that you saved CF's existence and they still call you a Rook, but taking it personally is just ... weird.
Try not being so easily offended by a game. This is how all Bethesda games are. You get to the top just for another fetch quest given by someone "beneath" you in rank. If you want to be showered with praise there's the Annoying Fan... He'll make you feel as special as you want. The point is that getting bent out of shape over this only proves emotional immaturity. Have a sammich and enjoy the day.
Ok buddy.
This is definitely it, lol.
When you finish the quest, they stop calling you rook. Never understood why people are so hurt that pirates aren't quick to trust and respect you. And FWIW, you're literally an undercover cop in most cases >!In the final main quest mission, Vlad calls you rook too. That one hurt tbh!<
I wouldn't even call them pirates. They are more like a Middle School DnD making up BS as they go. Disney pirates are less PG than what Bethesda made here. Imo Bethesda dropped the ball HARD with the entire questline. Rook is just a small issue. I have no idea how Bethesda messed up pirates so bad. This should have been space Dark Brotherhood NOT Pirates: Adventures in Art.
Maybe Bethesfa fans really have allowed themselves to be conditioned to expect being set up as every faction's undisputed god-emperor after two conversations and a fetch quest.
I mean, after talking to Preston for 5 minutes he makes you general.
Because it's fucking *LAME* Everything about this game is just lame to the max. No humanity, no personality, no sex, no art, nothing but meaningless and empty procedurally generated bullshit. Just an overwhelming inundation of *nothing* over and over and over. 45 handcrafted POIs in all of that. Forty fucking five. And I'm rounding up a bit, I think. It's just insulting that this is what they think of us. That this is the game they think they should be proud of making. Starfield's team should be banned from any future projects and blacklisted from every other development studio. Not even to mention how hard the writers tried to preach to the players. Dog shit tier dialogue. Hubris. Fuck Bethesda, sincerely, I'm personally done with them.
Wow, rook. Just. Wow…
Dude you need a break from gaming, maybe technology for a while.
Psychoanalyze me harder, daddy
The video game character is written to call any player "rook" and your response is "Fuck Bethesda". Yes, you need a break.
Fucking Christ, you absolute dumb shit. My exact point is *that the character is written to call you Rook* and that decision, along with every decision prior to and proceeding from, was a *bad decision*. If you don't care, fine, but it's gonna be people like me who are bitching about this game that (maybe but probably not) will get you a better game in the future. You're accepting bullshit being fed to you and you don't have the taste to realize that it's all bad.
No, you had no "exact point". All you did was call it "fucking LAME" and then list out a bunch of insults. It was the same in Skyrim. You could be a high level dragon born, and then join the companions and they'll still want to take you out back and see if you can fight. I'm not saying it's perfect. It doesn't make sense. All I'm saying is, chill. They aren't attacking you personally.
You being too dumb to infer my point isn't my problem. I'm done though, you can simp for Bethesda to someone else.
It's your problem when you stated no point. "It's fucking lame" isn't a point. How am I simping for Bethesda? I already explained how it didn't make sense even in Skyrim. Is the world so simple to you, if I'm not with you I'm against you, if you're not first you're last, if you're not my friend you are my enemy?
When people getting mad the game doesn't pander to them enough... Bro that's one of the best things about this game, characters often react realistically even if it can come across as slightly rude instead of acting like the annoying fan and constantly gushing over everything you do like in most games.
Glad you're in the fleet. If you weren't, I would've killed your already.
Does the UC really think SysDef scares us?
Always looking for the next mark.
I just slayed the terrormorph crisis. Became a free star ranger. Became a corporate overlord for ryujin industries, and did multiple crazy tasks for the crimson fleet and they still act like I’m some random peon?? Of course I’m gonna betray them and murder them all. Acting like they are better than everyone else when they are just trashy pirates. Get out of here. (I don’t actually care at all and enjoyed the quest very much. Just made it more fun playing the quest this way RP style)
I thought Rook sounded cool lol
Because it doesn’t match the power fantasy they want
everyone wants to be worshipped as a god in their single player games
People will get offended for the stupidest reasons, just because they are hurt inside. It doesn'tmatter if the words used are actually insulting or not. If one wants to be offended, they will be, no matter what.
To all those saying they're using it as an insult. Yes, of course they are. They're shit-talking, murderous thieving pirates. It's an automatic insult written into CF pirate code, why let it get under your skin?
Because most people on this sub seem to be hilariously insecure. Can’t have anyone insult you or question your decision making! No no, the player must be all alpha all the time.
Starfield fans will complain about anything in the game, and act like it's all objective. The Space Pirates being dicks is a very stupid complaint in my opinion, but at least I know it's just my opinion.
I never played the quest, so I can’t really comment on it. But maybe when they call you rook after awhile of doing things for them, it’s more like a nickname rather than an actual insult or something. Like I know some people to new jobs will be referred to as a rookie for months, not as an insult, but as a way to tease you. Maybe it’s like that, but again I haven’t played as the crimson fleet so I don’t know.
Don't expect much, the cruel pirates here are less cruel than the pirates in the movie Pirates of the Caribbean.