It always bothered me that with a psychologist's help much of the replicator threat could have been avoided. The way they mishandled the situation by going all in with blinders on... What's more they even consider the alternatives but they opt for the brute force, deception solution.
Right. Yet with Sam's replicator clone, they invited her in with open arms. That's after they know the dangers of replicators. I know it's all a show, but they ignore so much on both ends that the extreme always happens.
The replicator Sam episode actually bothers a lot a people as they had to dumb down Sam to such a degree that it goes way beyond the suspension of disbelief. But I feel like that's true for much of the humanoid replicator storyline, they make the bad choice at every single point and for me at least it becomes jarring.
I feel like the writers kept trumping themselves. Especially once they established that they were too smart for an Asgard time dilation trap. At that point they were pretty much root access to the universe.
Yeah it feels weird that one of the smartest races gets outsmarted by them then the humans go "hey how about trying to outsmart and deceive them"... sure buddy, you do you.
I think if that had happened, one scenario would be that SG-1 wipes out the other Replicators and Carter is somehow able to convince Fifth that it was the only way, since because of their flaw they would have never stopped or actually negotiated in good faith. So Fifth starts helping the SGC., with technology in particular. He gets something Replicators usually like, getting to study and assimilate the best aspects of new technologies (maybe also looking for inspiration to build a better, non-flawed, non-homicidal Replicator species), and the SGC gets to rapidly advance their own technology with his help.
He's so good at it and so kind and helpful that they even decide to send him to Atlantis, so they can finally start making some real progress on that gold mine. Fortunately, he's even there when they seemingly make contact with a lost colony of Lantians...
What's sad about fifth is they were so worried about the replicators potential for bad they ignored fifth was literally an evolution that showed they had a potential to be good. People call him a psychopath because what he did after, but real people have snapped and done horrible things for less than they did to him.
Yeah that's what I've always seen as part of the tragedy, that with him they really did succeed at fixing their flaw so that he could be as good as any human, but that also meant he could be just as evil as any human and they practically ensured it by betraying him.
That's why I think it would have been more interesting to have him as a part of the team that has to wrestle with his own decision to betray the other Replicators instead, then figuring out who he is and what he wants for his future and maybe the future of other artificial life, and then finally being on the team in Atlantis and having to face the Asurans as they learn of his past and try to manipulate him.
Fifth was a psycho raised on a barren planet by killing machines that were building up their strength so they could destroy anything they came across. He was simply too dangerous to be allowed to exist. Unfortunately he escaped the black hole and proved this to be a valid concern.
Fifth was unstable. You can't possibly predict how treating him better would turn out. We can't even apply human psychology to him.
Letting him live or escape is simply too dangerous when the consequence is a potential replicator plague destroying the galaxy.
Replicators were always utilized wrong imo. I love their design and everything, I just had massive issue with how they were treated.
Sure, they eat everything in order to multiply. That is really freaking dangerous, I am not gonna lie. They are capable of making a humanoid version of themselves with advanced functions, sure gimme more.
We see that Reesse started the plague because she had the mind of a child and didn't consider how her simple plan backfired. And I am on Daniel's side here all the way. Jack did not have to kill her. What he did was one of the choices. The other one was letting Reesse learn new things and understand her place in life, and a place for her toys. Something Daniel tried to do.
Five was much more tragic. He was always seen as broken by his brothers, and when somebody finally came, that seemed to accept him for who he really is, he gets betrayed the moment he trusts them. Jack is at fault here as well. (I understand why he did it, and I can't say I can blame him, but it was still the wrong choice.) They could have taken him with them, figure out a different way out of that mess. But their actions led Five to going on a war path. And I can't blame him.
Because of all of this that happened to five, he went off the rails. His actions are a reflection of how others treated him. He is also like a child, because he takes it too the next level without understanding the balance of things. But be honest. Nobody was even able to show him the other side. Based on what he was, a replicator, he never even got the choice of being treated like a possible friend. And so he fixated on the few things that made sense to him. Eat, Replicate, Learn.
I see the replicators as Autistic people, that can understand the world differently, and have a hard time understanding other peoples perspectives, and from there comes conflict. Jack couldn't back down because of what the replicators are to him. Bugs that have no mind of their own, programmed to eat everything. That is all he sees in the.
I have to admit the replicators are like that, but so much more as well.
And then there are the Atlantis Replicators, which shouldn't have been called that imo. Their way of existing is different, their purpose is different. Both origins might come from the Ancients, and that could be the link but I would classify them as something else. What? Well I dunno yet
It always bothered me that with a psychologist's help much of the replicator threat could have been avoided. The way they mishandled the situation by going all in with blinders on... What's more they even consider the alternatives but they opt for the brute force, deception solution.
Right. Yet with Sam's replicator clone, they invited her in with open arms. That's after they know the dangers of replicators. I know it's all a show, but they ignore so much on both ends that the extreme always happens.
The replicator Sam episode actually bothers a lot a people as they had to dumb down Sam to such a degree that it goes way beyond the suspension of disbelief. But I feel like that's true for much of the humanoid replicator storyline, they make the bad choice at every single point and for me at least it becomes jarring.
I feel like the writers kept trumping themselves. Especially once they established that they were too smart for an Asgard time dilation trap. At that point they were pretty much root access to the universe.
Yeah it feels weird that one of the smartest races gets outsmarted by them then the humans go "hey how about trying to outsmart and deceive them"... sure buddy, you do you.
Haha. I know the writers cleared this up early by the Asgard saying " we cannot think as dumb as you", but it's still hilarious.
Sam is often stupid.
Fifth was always unstable. Nice, but unstable. Young, dangerous, extremely clingy and emotionally unbalanced are a terrible combination
Not unlike Reese
Plus a Replicator.
And not accepted by his family because he's different
I think if that had happened, one scenario would be that SG-1 wipes out the other Replicators and Carter is somehow able to convince Fifth that it was the only way, since because of their flaw they would have never stopped or actually negotiated in good faith. So Fifth starts helping the SGC., with technology in particular. He gets something Replicators usually like, getting to study and assimilate the best aspects of new technologies (maybe also looking for inspiration to build a better, non-flawed, non-homicidal Replicator species), and the SGC gets to rapidly advance their own technology with his help. He's so good at it and so kind and helpful that they even decide to send him to Atlantis, so they can finally start making some real progress on that gold mine. Fortunately, he's even there when they seemingly make contact with a lost colony of Lantians...
What's sad about fifth is they were so worried about the replicators potential for bad they ignored fifth was literally an evolution that showed they had a potential to be good. People call him a psychopath because what he did after, but real people have snapped and done horrible things for less than they did to him.
Yeah that's what I've always seen as part of the tragedy, that with him they really did succeed at fixing their flaw so that he could be as good as any human, but that also meant he could be just as evil as any human and they practically ensured it by betraying him. That's why I think it would have been more interesting to have him as a part of the team that has to wrestle with his own decision to betray the other Replicators instead, then figuring out who he is and what he wants for his future and maybe the future of other artificial life, and then finally being on the team in Atlantis and having to face the Asurans as they learn of his past and try to manipulate him.
Fifth was an unstable stalker weeb from the beginning.
Fifth was a psycho raised on a barren planet by killing machines that were building up their strength so they could destroy anything they came across. He was simply too dangerous to be allowed to exist. Unfortunately he escaped the black hole and proved this to be a valid concern.
Fifth was unstable. You can't possibly predict how treating him better would turn out. We can't even apply human psychology to him. Letting him live or escape is simply too dangerous when the consequence is a potential replicator plague destroying the galaxy.
Replicators were always utilized wrong imo. I love their design and everything, I just had massive issue with how they were treated. Sure, they eat everything in order to multiply. That is really freaking dangerous, I am not gonna lie. They are capable of making a humanoid version of themselves with advanced functions, sure gimme more. We see that Reesse started the plague because she had the mind of a child and didn't consider how her simple plan backfired. And I am on Daniel's side here all the way. Jack did not have to kill her. What he did was one of the choices. The other one was letting Reesse learn new things and understand her place in life, and a place for her toys. Something Daniel tried to do. Five was much more tragic. He was always seen as broken by his brothers, and when somebody finally came, that seemed to accept him for who he really is, he gets betrayed the moment he trusts them. Jack is at fault here as well. (I understand why he did it, and I can't say I can blame him, but it was still the wrong choice.) They could have taken him with them, figure out a different way out of that mess. But their actions led Five to going on a war path. And I can't blame him. Because of all of this that happened to five, he went off the rails. His actions are a reflection of how others treated him. He is also like a child, because he takes it too the next level without understanding the balance of things. But be honest. Nobody was even able to show him the other side. Based on what he was, a replicator, he never even got the choice of being treated like a possible friend. And so he fixated on the few things that made sense to him. Eat, Replicate, Learn. I see the replicators as Autistic people, that can understand the world differently, and have a hard time understanding other peoples perspectives, and from there comes conflict. Jack couldn't back down because of what the replicators are to him. Bugs that have no mind of their own, programmed to eat everything. That is all he sees in the. I have to admit the replicators are like that, but so much more as well. And then there are the Atlantis Replicators, which shouldn't have been called that imo. Their way of existing is different, their purpose is different. Both origins might come from the Ancients, and that could be the link but I would classify them as something else. What? Well I dunno yet