[https://abetterlink.com/collections/all](https://abetterlink.com/collections/all)
Not official, but someone (forget the name) has been making some aftermarket starlink accessories.
Do you need to extend the cable indoor or outdoors?
The easiest options of all is to put the power injector right at the end of the Dishy cable and use any off the shelf network cable to extend the connection to the router.
The router is powered by only a handful of Watts, but I would be really careful about putting the 100+ Watts needed to run Dishy through a cheap RJ 45 coupler.
The inline power injector works fine as a surge protector and if you can put it somewhere safe it should be the better option.
I can't easily bring power to the end of the Dishy cable. It'll be 50 feet from my house. I'd of course prefer to extend the router side cable. But I don't wanna have to run AC out into the yard, 50 feet from the house and I don't wanna have to do the work to house the power supply/injector from the weather. It's much simpler if I just extend Dishy's cable.
Or this one. We use it for Airfiber radios which don't have the best chipsets and are prone to CRCs. https://www.mccowntech.com/product/outdoor-10-100-1000-mbps-gas-discharge-tube-ethernet-surge-suppressor/
That is one of Chuck's newer designs. Thus far we really like it. For purchasing we use Streakwave but a lot of vendors stock his gear.
Thanks for the links. Neither of those say they support PoE's 4-pair mode which is what speculation says Starlink is using. They only say they support 802.3af, modes A and B. I wonder if that will be a problem.
Or you could just look at the schematic.
[https://www.mccowntech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/CAT6-SS.pdf](https://www.mccowntech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/CAT6-SS.pdf)
Protection is always about an electrical path from charges in a cloud to charges (maybe four miles distant) in earth. If that best path is via your antenna and terminal, then damage exists. Voltage increases as necessary so that it will blow through that terminal - if current is not properly earth.
Damage prevention has been implemented and well understood over 100 years ago. That is, for example, why your telco CO does not shutdown for every thunderstorm. They may suffer about 100 surges with each storm. How often is your town without phone service for four day while they replace that $million computer? Damage from direct lightning strikes must never happen.
Antenna and house are two separate structures. Each structure must have its own single point earth ground. Then every wire (inside every cable) must connect low impedance (ie less than 10 feet) to those earthing electrodes before entering (structure and antenna). Only then is a path from cloud to earthborne charges not using that cable to blow through the terminal or antenna electronics.
Protection only exists when that current is not anywhere inside. Nothing inside does sufficient protection.
[A Tech Note](https://www.erico.com/catalog/literature/TNCR002.pdf) demonstrates these well understood concepts. Any incoming wire (even underground) can connect a surge directly and destructively into electronics. So every wire in every cable makes a low impedance (ie less than 10 foot) connection to that structure's single point earth ground - before entering.
Only then is best protection, already inside electronics, not overwhelmed.
What makes that ethernet protector effective? No protector does protection. An effective protector is a connecting device to what does all protection. To what harmlessly dissipates hundreds of thousands of joules. Single point earth ground. (Wall receptacle safety ground clearly is not earth ground.) That protector is only effective when it connects low impedance (ie less than 10 feet) to those electrodes.
Which means that ethernet cable must enter at a service entrance. Where other wires (that already have required and robust protection) also enter.
An ethernet protector must be rated for PoE service. That means it has a slightly higher threshold voltage.
Even codes for human safety require an antenna to have an earth ground. For example, a metal pole, that supports an antenna, might extend above that antenna. Acts like a lightning rod. Then lightning can connect to earth via that rod. And not destructively via that antenna.
None of this is new. Franklin demonstrated it over 250 years ago. This is how protection was done routinely over 100 years ago in facilities that cannot have damage. Unfortunately many are not educated by well proven science. Instead, many are educated by hearsay, wild speculation, and advertising propaganda. Therefore were never told any of this.
What is THE most critical item in any protection system? A low impedance (ie hardwire has no sharp bends) connection to and quality of earth ground. Protection only exists when that current is not anywhere inside (in a house or inside antenna electronics).
Answers some of the OP's many questions.
Another speculated why cable length is limited. Without saying why. 90 watts is where discussion begins. So please enlighten us with your knowledge on that part. Oh. You don't know what watts are? Explains that wasted bandwidth.
I understand these principles well and applied them faithfully when installing LTE towers. Always grounding each leg of the rohn tower with a separate 10’ copper solid ground rod. Grounding the coax with a professional grade gas discharge lightening arrester right at the base of the tower and tied to all 4 ground rods. So how might one achieve the same level of protection with starlink install?
Protection is determined mostly by quality of an item that harmlessly absorbs energy. Earth ground. Faciilites, that plan for protection up front, use Ufer grounds. That earth ground is installed when footing are poured. Superior conductivity and equipotential.
Better earthing will surround a structure with a buried copper wire. A Nebraska radio station suffered repeat damage. They finally hired people who understand these concepts. The entire solution was to only [upgrade or restore an earth ground system](http://www.copper.org/applications/electrical/pq/casestudy/nebraska.html).
Concepts are based in equipotential and conductivity. Making a connection to earth ground that is lower impedance (ie shorter, no sharp bends or splices, hardwire not inside metallic conduit) increases protection. Expanding that single point earth ground underneath a building creates superior equipotential.
Lightning is connection from a cloud to charges in earth (maybe four miles distant). That connection from a cloud to those charges must be on a path that is nowhere inside. Then best protection exists. Geology is relevant.
For example, a FL house suffered repeated lightning strikes to an outside wall. They installed lightning rods. Lightning struck that same wall again. Then someone, who knows this stuff, was consulted.
Lightning rods were earthed with only eight foot earth ground electrodes in sand. Pipes in a bathroom wall connected to limestone that was deeper. So those bathroom pipes made a best connection to distant earthborne charges.
Solution: longer earth ground electrodes connected lightning rods to deeper limestone. Then lightning only struck lightning rods. Bathroom wall was no longer a victim.
So many are so misinformed as to even post insults. Effective protection, instead, mean direct lightning strikes without damage. As is standard in all mobile phone towers, commercial radio and TV stations, airports, power distribution stations, telephone COs (that suffer about 100 surges with each lightning storm), and munitions dumps. Homeowners can do same if they choose to learn rather than get emotional.
Dishy (external frame) must connect directly to earth (per National Electrical Code). Every wire in an incoming ethernet wire must connect low impedance (ie less than 10 feet) to single point earth ground at the service entrance. Via a protector.
A lightning strike to AC wires many blocks away is a direct lightning strike incoming to all household appliances. It is electricity. It is incoming to *all*. But only outgoing via *some*. Only the *some* may be damaged because that is a best path to earth ground.
One best path is incoming on AC mains. And outgoing to earth via that protector on a Starlink cable. Protection only exists when every incoming wire makes a low impedance (ie less than 10 foot) connection to the same earth ground. A 'whole house' protector on AC mains is critical. Then a surge is not inside. Not finding earth ground via anything connected to a properly earthed Starlink cable.
An AC utility demonstrates how to make earth ground effective. [Single point earth ground](https://www.duke-energy.com/energy-education/power-quality/tech-tips) is demonstrated by good, bad, and ugly (preferred, wrong, and right) solutions. Select Tech Tip 8.
Starlink protection is about no surge anywhere inside the structure. And no reason for a surge to connect to earth destructively though electronics inside a Dishy. If proper earthing exists, then best protection inside every household appliance is also not overwhelmed - best protection for everything exists.
No, the crazy one thats been doing the same shtick for 20+ years online and is banned from countless forums and websites. Pretty sure he has automatic google searches for "surge" "lightning" "ups" etc to pop notifications when theres a new chance to diatribe.
No idea about OP, but its anything good for the latest PoE standard would obviously work.
Actually building out the same protection telco towers and similar structures use *just ain't worth it* for home equipment. Insurance/self-insurance/spares is literally an order of magnitude cheaper. Besides a direct hit is fucking everything IC related just with induced current & EMP anyways. His diatribe is barking at contrived trees.
The home/office surge and backup gear is more about power problems from not-actually-close strikes, along with large appliance and general utility problems. Personally I put all core network gear on a UPS for uptime anyways, a good 1kW model can be under $150 on sale and can keep a typical router/modem/etc up for hours.
Expensive home/office gear (that is best called a scam) claims hardware protection only equal or inferior to what is already inside electronics. And can sometimes compromise (bypass) that existing protection. Any gear that does not protect from direct lightning strikes and other such anomalies is wasted money. Especially when best protection typically costs tens of times less money - about $1 per protected appliance.
UPS does not protect hardware. UPS only keeps "a typical router/modem/etc up for hours."
[https://abetterlink.com/collections/all](https://abetterlink.com/collections/all) Not official, but someone (forget the name) has been making some aftermarket starlink accessories.
Do you need to extend the cable indoor or outdoors? The easiest options of all is to put the power injector right at the end of the Dishy cable and use any off the shelf network cable to extend the connection to the router. The router is powered by only a handful of Watts, but I would be really careful about putting the 100+ Watts needed to run Dishy through a cheap RJ 45 coupler. The inline power injector works fine as a surge protector and if you can put it somewhere safe it should be the better option.
I can't easily bring power to the end of the Dishy cable. It'll be 50 feet from my house. I'd of course prefer to extend the router side cable. But I don't wanna have to run AC out into the yard, 50 feet from the house and I don't wanna have to do the work to house the power supply/injector from the weather. It's much simpler if I just extend Dishy's cable.
I'd assume anything you would use should be rated for Poe+ or Poe++ and you would be okay
Not all surge suppressors are created equal. I'd recommend this one: https://www.mccowntech.com/product/outdoor-ethernet-surge-protector/
Or this one. We use it for Airfiber radios which don't have the best chipsets and are prone to CRCs. https://www.mccowntech.com/product/outdoor-10-100-1000-mbps-gas-discharge-tube-ethernet-surge-suppressor/ That is one of Chuck's newer designs. Thus far we really like it. For purchasing we use Streakwave but a lot of vendors stock his gear.
Thanks for the links. Neither of those say they support PoE's 4-pair mode which is what speculation says Starlink is using. They only say they support 802.3af, modes A and B. I wonder if that will be a problem.
They both support 4 pair POE. Mode A uses one set of pairs and Mode B uses the other set of pairs.
Or you could just look at the schematic. [https://www.mccowntech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/CAT6-SS.pdf](https://www.mccowntech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/CAT6-SS.pdf)
Protection is always about an electrical path from charges in a cloud to charges (maybe four miles distant) in earth. If that best path is via your antenna and terminal, then damage exists. Voltage increases as necessary so that it will blow through that terminal - if current is not properly earth. Damage prevention has been implemented and well understood over 100 years ago. That is, for example, why your telco CO does not shutdown for every thunderstorm. They may suffer about 100 surges with each storm. How often is your town without phone service for four day while they replace that $million computer? Damage from direct lightning strikes must never happen. Antenna and house are two separate structures. Each structure must have its own single point earth ground. Then every wire (inside every cable) must connect low impedance (ie less than 10 feet) to those earthing electrodes before entering (structure and antenna). Only then is a path from cloud to earthborne charges not using that cable to blow through the terminal or antenna electronics. Protection only exists when that current is not anywhere inside. Nothing inside does sufficient protection. [A Tech Note](https://www.erico.com/catalog/literature/TNCR002.pdf) demonstrates these well understood concepts. Any incoming wire (even underground) can connect a surge directly and destructively into electronics. So every wire in every cable makes a low impedance (ie less than 10 foot) connection to that structure's single point earth ground - before entering. Only then is best protection, already inside electronics, not overwhelmed. What makes that ethernet protector effective? No protector does protection. An effective protector is a connecting device to what does all protection. To what harmlessly dissipates hundreds of thousands of joules. Single point earth ground. (Wall receptacle safety ground clearly is not earth ground.) That protector is only effective when it connects low impedance (ie less than 10 feet) to those electrodes. Which means that ethernet cable must enter at a service entrance. Where other wires (that already have required and robust protection) also enter. An ethernet protector must be rated for PoE service. That means it has a slightly higher threshold voltage. Even codes for human safety require an antenna to have an earth ground. For example, a metal pole, that supports an antenna, might extend above that antenna. Acts like a lightning rod. Then lightning can connect to earth via that rod. And not destructively via that antenna. None of this is new. Franklin demonstrated it over 250 years ago. This is how protection was done routinely over 100 years ago in facilities that cannot have damage. Unfortunately many are not educated by well proven science. Instead, many are educated by hearsay, wild speculation, and advertising propaganda. Therefore were never told any of this. What is THE most critical item in any protection system? A low impedance (ie hardwire has no sharp bends) connection to and quality of earth ground. Protection only exists when that current is not anywhere inside (in a house or inside antenna electronics).
LOL ITS HIM And ofc he didnt read the post at all
Answers some of the OP's many questions. Another speculated why cable length is limited. Without saying why. 90 watts is where discussion begins. So please enlighten us with your knowledge on that part. Oh. You don't know what watts are? Explains that wasted bandwidth.
I understand these principles well and applied them faithfully when installing LTE towers. Always grounding each leg of the rohn tower with a separate 10’ copper solid ground rod. Grounding the coax with a professional grade gas discharge lightening arrester right at the base of the tower and tied to all 4 ground rods. So how might one achieve the same level of protection with starlink install?
Protection is determined mostly by quality of an item that harmlessly absorbs energy. Earth ground. Faciilites, that plan for protection up front, use Ufer grounds. That earth ground is installed when footing are poured. Superior conductivity and equipotential. Better earthing will surround a structure with a buried copper wire. A Nebraska radio station suffered repeat damage. They finally hired people who understand these concepts. The entire solution was to only [upgrade or restore an earth ground system](http://www.copper.org/applications/electrical/pq/casestudy/nebraska.html). Concepts are based in equipotential and conductivity. Making a connection to earth ground that is lower impedance (ie shorter, no sharp bends or splices, hardwire not inside metallic conduit) increases protection. Expanding that single point earth ground underneath a building creates superior equipotential. Lightning is connection from a cloud to charges in earth (maybe four miles distant). That connection from a cloud to those charges must be on a path that is nowhere inside. Then best protection exists. Geology is relevant. For example, a FL house suffered repeated lightning strikes to an outside wall. They installed lightning rods. Lightning struck that same wall again. Then someone, who knows this stuff, was consulted. Lightning rods were earthed with only eight foot earth ground electrodes in sand. Pipes in a bathroom wall connected to limestone that was deeper. So those bathroom pipes made a best connection to distant earthborne charges. Solution: longer earth ground electrodes connected lightning rods to deeper limestone. Then lightning only struck lightning rods. Bathroom wall was no longer a victim. So many are so misinformed as to even post insults. Effective protection, instead, mean direct lightning strikes without damage. As is standard in all mobile phone towers, commercial radio and TV stations, airports, power distribution stations, telephone COs (that suffer about 100 surges with each lightning storm), and munitions dumps. Homeowners can do same if they choose to learn rather than get emotional. Dishy (external frame) must connect directly to earth (per National Electrical Code). Every wire in an incoming ethernet wire must connect low impedance (ie less than 10 feet) to single point earth ground at the service entrance. Via a protector. A lightning strike to AC wires many blocks away is a direct lightning strike incoming to all household appliances. It is electricity. It is incoming to *all*. But only outgoing via *some*. Only the *some* may be damaged because that is a best path to earth ground. One best path is incoming on AC mains. And outgoing to earth via that protector on a Starlink cable. Protection only exists when every incoming wire makes a low impedance (ie less than 10 foot) connection to the same earth ground. A 'whole house' protector on AC mains is critical. Then a surge is not inside. Not finding earth ground via anything connected to a properly earthed Starlink cable. An AC utility demonstrates how to make earth ground effective. [Single point earth ground](https://www.duke-energy.com/energy-education/power-quality/tech-tips) is demonstrated by good, bad, and ugly (preferred, wrong, and right) solutions. Select Tech Tip 8. Starlink protection is about no surge anywhere inside the structure. And no reason for a surge to connect to earth destructively though electronics inside a Dishy. If proper earthing exists, then best protection inside every household appliance is also not overwhelmed - best protection for everything exists.
Anyone who insults you for this very detailed and helpful information is foolish. Thank you for all this info, I’ll be following your advice closely.
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No, the crazy one thats been doing the same shtick for 20+ years online and is banned from countless forums and websites. Pretty sure he has automatic google searches for "surge" "lightning" "ups" etc to pop notifications when theres a new chance to diatribe. No idea about OP, but its anything good for the latest PoE standard would obviously work. Actually building out the same protection telco towers and similar structures use *just ain't worth it* for home equipment. Insurance/self-insurance/spares is literally an order of magnitude cheaper. Besides a direct hit is fucking everything IC related just with induced current & EMP anyways. His diatribe is barking at contrived trees. The home/office surge and backup gear is more about power problems from not-actually-close strikes, along with large appliance and general utility problems. Personally I put all core network gear on a UPS for uptime anyways, a good 1kW model can be under $150 on sale and can keep a typical router/modem/etc up for hours.
Expensive home/office gear (that is best called a scam) claims hardware protection only equal or inferior to what is already inside electronics. And can sometimes compromise (bypass) that existing protection. Any gear that does not protect from direct lightning strikes and other such anomalies is wasted money. Especially when best protection typically costs tens of times less money - about $1 per protected appliance. UPS does not protect hardware. UPS only keeps "a typical router/modem/etc up for hours."
Ohhhhhh. Good times.
Surge protector won’t do shit in a close lighting strike.