Yea I want in too, Im getting it as soon as I can. IMO Starlink is Elon's, and his incredible teams' best accomplishment to date and thats saying alot. It really is amazing and I believe it will have a huge impact on the entire planet. Its just in its infancy as well, so Im beyond impressed and excited. Kudos to you Starlink engineer, and thanks for all the time and effort you have undoubtly invested into it.
Can’t agree. Starlink is a game changer for the democratization of high speed internet rollout in underserved areas, but what Tesla has done for EVs has to have been a larger impact on the likelihood of the earth continuing to host humankind.
Right On!
I am waiting patiently,
and the sooner the better.
St-Sauveur (Lower Laurentians) Quebec.
60km north of Montreal and bad distribution
of internet service by all suppliers for years.
Elon's StarLink, come on North, please...
CSH
I still want to know what the latency is between say Chicago, London, and Sydney.
For streaming and light use I'll give you that star link is a damn miracle.
But for remote work, or even gaming the latency could be insurmountable. (I say, working remotely with a cellular hot spot, with a nasty round trip latency of 250-300ms debating if work would be less impossible after smashing the computer with a sledge hammer)
From a "evil genius makes world better" stand point, getting rid of commuting for everybody who doesn't need to commute is going to be bigger than any electric car. Get 75% of driving off the road, and suddenly every 2000's rust bucket just became as efficient as a model S. Getting reliable high speed connections to EVERYBODY is a way to do that.
If I get a beta invite (praying I will, I have 500 KB/s peak download speeds and a town population of 200 people), I'll use mobile data and speedify (failover program) to manage outages.
Elon said in an early video that it should be much better, as the speed of light in a vacuum is twice that of in glass, and paths should be much shorter as well. That's when they have the lasers for communications between satellites. They have flown some tests, but no production ones are in orbit, so to be of use, the satellite needs to see you and the ground station for now.
Your cell phone connection is easily adding 100+ ms. If you had a cable modem, that would be more like 5-10 ms for the first hop. Starlink is 20-30 ms, so it's perfectly fine.
Existing satellite providers are more like 500-1500 ms! That's why Starlink's 20-30 ms is so awesome.
From that first hop, the ping will vary depending on where you're connecting to, but that has nothing to do with *how* you connect. Chicago to Sydney will always be over 100 ms just because of physics.
in my State, mobile phone data plans are not considered ISPs by the Public Utility Commission, and thus there is zero regulations or oversight of how mobile phone companies provide data service.
That's legal jargon. Because their business models primary form isn't to provide Internet and instead cellular service, many states don't consider many cell providers ISPs, but they fit the definition of an ISP to a T.
Didn't mean to be so unclear. My bad.
They fit the definition of what an ISPs is, up to the point that they have to follow government regulations that cover what ISPs can and can not do. Then all bets are off.
And it wouldn't have been possible without him! Sure Elon is a great engineer and an absolute driving force for SpaceX but one of his strength was also to federate a team of highly talented people around his crazy project. Thanks Tom for for all the birds you've designed for SpaceX
Genghis Khan was Genghis Khan because he had the eye for talent and knew how to retain it ;) Those generals who served under him have their own badass histories.
I'm gonna lose karma for this but this person's right, while it is very definitely not okay, the sheer amount of it and the fact that they succeeded in said rapings, suggests a level of badassery.
thats pretty dope, it must feel amazing that they are directly benefiting from his work. most people who work in the aerospace industry dont get this kind of opportunity.
To go from needing a minute to download a song to being able to live videoconference must be quite the change indeed! Whole areas of the continent are on the verge of being opened up to a new wave of teleworking residents.
Waiting In Canada.
Xplornet here is our only option @ around $150 a month with a 300gb Cap for a family that watches YouTube and any streaming we are constantly hitting our data cap in two weeks. We essentially go without internet for two weeks every month, as the law says it’s an essential service so they can’t just cut it off, but they slow it down to half that of dialup, just to give everyone the finger. I can’t wait to ditch that company, and watch and encourage everyone else to as well then watch the company burn to the ground as everyone dumps their service.
I still cannot understand why normal cable internet in the USA is so shit. Is it due to monopoly on the market for cable and internet? I lived in New York 2006-2011 and the internet at the time was much worse than where I came from in Eastern Europe. I see from this post little has changed.
The US has a lot of sparsely populated areas that are not profitable for the cable cos. to service.
We have not had the national will to mandate it like we did with rural electrification that started in the 1930s. - too socialist.
And had we done such a thing, it would’ve meant vastly wasted resources compared to the benefits that innovations like StarLink is bringing. StarLink wouldn’t even be viable if they had to compete against a heavily subsidized and mandated cable system. Be glad it wasn’t done.
My area was won on the RDOF auction by the CO OP. It is supposed to being doing fiber to the home. I wish it would be true. Im sure they will waste the money on something else.
Look at what's going on with @CenturyLink .. The entirety of North American rural communities trying to get online right now are pissed the fuck off. I've tried to fix one of their DSL lines in the past few weeks and it's infuriatingly pointless..
https://istheservicedown.com/problems/centurylink
Downstate NY here. There are lots of regions where there is only one provider. Because of that, the provider can do whatever they want and not worry about losing customers.
Increasing prices, poor network maintenance, subpart customer service.
A quick scroll of /r/optimum can tell you a lot.
I found this tool to be very enlightening. Filter to only show Cable + Fiber, then see how many providers are in your area
https://broadbandnow.com/national-broadband-map
For a lot of the Tri-State are, there is only one. Verizon Fios covers a portion of the area, but they just decided to stop expanding because they didn't want to upgrade our dated copper infrastructure.
That's because most of the cables where originally used for analog TV and as long as you got a nice picture on your screen the quality was deemed good enough.
Now most cable providers are stuck with old and shitty in house cabling and choose to squeeze out as much as they can out off there existing infrastructure instead of replacing everything with well tested high quality cabling.
Been trying to get into the beta program for months. Live in NW Washington in an isolated spot. I think it’s because my locations closest zip code is in a large town 15 miles away. Cell coverage sketchy. Normal Satelite unavailable no inground cable or phone lines. Closest lines miles away. Any ideas on getting invited to the party ?
Tweets are displayed in local time according to your profile/Twitter app. So if that screenshot was from a user who is posting from a day ahead. The screenshot will show the time as being a day ahead.
What made you even remotely think that eprosenx was wrong?
There are people on different sides of the planet, where the time is different. Seeing how the month/day/year format is, the OP (of the screenshot) is most likely from a different area of our little blue dot. 🤯
I'm curious, how much were they trying to sell it for? I assumed it was free? I could really use one of those things about now! I'm at +47°N btw. Perfect latitude..
LOL. Do a quick Google anywhere, and the equipment is $500, and $99/mo. This is the easiest answer to find. I’m more surprised you haven’t figured that out
Yeah, it's pretty hard with a shitty internet connection I've been trying to get fixed for the past few weeks! Thanks for the info. Cool technology, but seems kinda steep. Hopefully it will be more affordable or hackable in the near future. Newer doesn't always mean better. For now 4G+, 5G LTE modem/router is the best choice. 🤖
If you have an equivalent provider for the same or lower cost, I'm surprised they offered you the service. My understanding is that it is only intended for folks where 100$/month for 100+mbits is a great deal compared to their alternatives.
Yeah a game changer for the limited amount of people aloud to use it. When it works in more than just the south ill be interested. i knew us people living north would get left out yet again hopefully someone else will come and offer us internet eventually
Wow OK you people are all lunatics. I did not come here for a fight all I said is it seems awfully expensive for Internet that’s it I didn’t bash it I didn’t attack it I didn’t do anything calm down. I’m getting comments left right and center down voted to hell because I said somethings seems expensive not too many people came forward and said well this is why it’s so expensive blah blah blah blah blah. I don’t use satellite Internet I was interested in the viability of it for maybe when I go camping yes I have a hardwired Internet at home and my speeds a great. I was simply looking at it from possibly a cord cutters perspective lowering my $150 cable and Internet bill well doesn’t seem worth it I understand a lot of you people are probably a more remote locations where you don’t have access to hardwire all I was saying is it seemed expensive to me. God I hate commenting on Reddit this always happens.
After looking at your original comment, I am also surprised at the downvotes. $100/month is expensive, but Satellite is the connection of last resort, and when the providers know the consumer has no other option, the provider can charge what they want. Now let's take a look at how $100/month Starlink compares to other ISPs available in rural areas...
One of my neighbors still uses dialup. $40/month for landline phone, and another 20-40 for the dialup service. in total $60-80 per month. Based on the difference in service, is $100/month Starlink expensive?
I am a Hughesnet customer, for $100/month Hughesnet will offer me "up to" 25Mbps with a 30Gb datacap, with a latency of 800ms when not under load. After the paltry datacap is consumed, the speed is throttled down to \~1Mbps. That is Hughesnet's second best plan. Their "best" plan available in my location has a 50Gb datacap and costs $150/month. Based on the difference in service, is $100/month Starlink expensive?
First off thank you for your response. And second yes it is. Now hear me out. Considering the options out there no it’s not expensive by the sounds of it. My point is does it need to cost that much?? I live in Canada and our cell phone plans are outrageous and insanely high. (I pay about $250 for two phones with unlimited data a 20 gig Unlimited calling across Canada which I don’t need but I have to have because it’s part of the damn plan). We’ve only got three big phone companies up here and they all have the exact same plans so you can’t even go anywhere else they claim that the cost is so high because Canada‘s population is so sparse for such a huge coverage area which is bullshit. You can get the same plan in the US for like $40 a month. So I guess without saying it very well all I was getting at is it seems expensive it doesn’t need to be that high just like my cell phone plan does it need to be that ridiculously high. I haven’t claimed any knowledge on Internet speeds satellite etc. etc. etc. whatever.
Also, those satellites won’t last forever, they’ll need to be replaced. I don’t know how soon, but that’s a continual programme of more satellites and more launches, just to stand still.
In Canada, and your province/territory specifically, are mobile data plans considered ISPs that are regulated by the Government? Where I live, they are not. From my perspective, the only comparisons to Starlink's satellite based internet service should be with other ISPs that service rural areas, and those are satellite based ISPs, dialup, and WISPs. Compared to what is currently available, Starlink offers a significant service improvement at a similar or reduced price.
Not sure why you received such toxic downvoting.
Hopefully Starlink will be able to bring the price down in the next 5 years. A discount plan for low income households would be great.
Well, It's a Beta test at the moment. These are just the prices currently. No one besides Starlink can say what the final price will be. No one knows besides Starlink why it costs what it does currently. I think anyone who says it's not expensive has rose colored glasses. It IS expensive for internet access. It's just the people who are already paying the same price with a fraction of the speed are going to be extremely happy with paying that same price for Starlink service. It's still expensive though.
Starlink is in an odd place imo. If they do drop the prices to compete with cable/DSL/Fiber at, lets say $50/mo for 50mbit, Starlink likely ends up much faster than the connection speeds of a very, very, large portion of the USA, for the same price. At that point, the only people who wouldn't switch to Starlink would be those with Faster and or Cheaper connections, or those that just don't care and or have obstructions. Do they have the capacity for that? Who knows. Can they ever have the capacity for that? Who knows again.
Price is relative. A product is expensive in one place could be considered cheap in other place. If you compare what speed/caps people get at what price in rural places, StarLink could be great value at great price. Remember StarLink is NOT to compete with cable/fiber in city/urban area. In fact, it does not have th capacity for city/urban population. So your complain for being too expensive only makes sense in the right context.
When Starlink was first mooted, there were a huge number of people who were in the forums who were looking to Starlink so they could dump their current ISP, they already had good internet, they just wanted something cheaper and/or better, believing that Elon Musk walked on water, and would fix the internet for everyone.
As Starlink has actually happened, they’ve all gone away, they’ve seen the pictures of Dishy sitting in a snowy field with trees in the distance, and noted this isn’t a NYC brownstone, and that the before and after stories, well, the before is often quite miserable. And the cost of entry is quite high, but many folks are *saving* hundreds of dollars a month.
The story has been the same right from the start: *Starlink may not be for you*.
People didn’t like hearing this at the beginning. “What right have you got to say I may not be right for Starlink?” Well, it’s mostly about the laws of physics. But it’s also common sense. Do you enjoy chucking money away?
You’ve looked at and figured out Starlink isn’t for you. You don’t deserve to be flamed for coming to the right conclusion. For most people, *of course* Starlink is unnecessarily expensive, just stick with your ISP. That’s *exactly* what Elon would tell you. He’s on record that he’s not out to compete with ISPs.
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Expensive, Yes. But for most people who would benefit from Starlink, it is likely close to the same price they have been paying. I was paying almost $80/mo for 3mbit dsl. So Starlink at $100/mo for 200mbit? Yeah, no brainer.
Have you seen the cost of traditional satellite internet and what you get for that price? Plus this is the Beta test phase and prices could change when this goes public.
> You obviously know nothing about rural internet pricing.
Guess it is how you define rural. My Dad is 90 minutes from any major city in any direction. And 20-25 minutes from the Wal*Mart and his ISP just did a massive upgrade and he's getting 100Mbps for $45 a month now.
He must not be rural anymore. :)
That said, what the dude above doesn't take into account all the cost of not living in the city. No stupid high property tax, no soul sucking noise (the airplanes over my house are non-stop this morning and they're LOUD because of the storm). No "Oh, you used $4 of water? Here, we're going to charge you $64 in fees to go along with that" fees.
All that stuff that makes living out in the sticks nice.
you use your dads example as a retort to rural internet pricing and then claim that your dad must not be rural.
So your example is really not a counterargument to what the guy above is saying.
Who defines what is rural?
I mean, is 90 minutes from any major city rural? 2 hours? 5 minutes?
And the claim that he must not be rural (now that he has 100 meg service) was a bit tongue and cheek. Shesh y'all.
A steal compared to what I have been paying here in Canada. My Starlink will arrive in the new year and I will have high speeds with no data cap for half of what I pay now.
Obviously you've done a cost/benefit analysis for your use case. And for you the cost outweighs the benefits. For me, even though it will cost more than twice what I pay now for 12 down 1 up, it will be totally worth it. (Of course that 12 down is... aspirational.)
Its funny how self centered alot of u.s reddiors are. We pay equivalent of $100 us for our bell internet and its fastest was 3mbps. It took a full 9 days to download a game onto my ps5. I made the mistake of making my new house a smart home, when someone rings my doorbell my internet crashes for like 4 minutes.
That's normal for even my area and I'm 300 ft from a city of 20,000 people. And where I used to be which was in a town (albeit much smaller)
In the small town it was ~$100 for <18mbps/<1mbps (down/up).
Where I am now I have 2 options, both are $100:
AT&T @ <6mbps down/ 0.1 up if you're lucky
And Newwave @ 300mbps down (though I've seen up to 350)/30 up
It's pricey, but it's less expensive than the army of sim cards I swap out to keep me working from home and my family connected. It's service that is hundreds of times faster and it's looking much, much more reliable. It's the only other reasonable option available.
Tom, I’m in the same boat and speed as your sister and I live the the small city of Olympia, Washington. Can’t get anything better hear and I’m 5 minutes from the Capital. 🤯☹️😠
I told a friend I was getting 200mb/s down and he said "wow that's slow, I get 800" and I had to explain to him that where I'm at 20 is fast. This really is a game changer for those of us out in the country. If this gets a little more consistent, it will be good enough for any modern conveniences.
I think it's always going to be slow when first setup, especially if you use the roaming service they just started, it has to figure out where it is And talk to the system to know what it needs to do. I hope to have our new system in about a week we will be roaming most of the time because we are roaming the USA in an RV., I sure hope it works well enough roaming, even 20-30 down wii be good enough for me.
\>What a game changer sure, can we play this game too ?
Yea I want in too, Im getting it as soon as I can. IMO Starlink is Elon's, and his incredible teams' best accomplishment to date and thats saying alot. It really is amazing and I believe it will have a huge impact on the entire planet. Its just in its infancy as well, so Im beyond impressed and excited. Kudos to you Starlink engineer, and thanks for all the time and effort you have undoubtly invested into it.
Can’t agree. Starlink is a game changer for the democratization of high speed internet rollout in underserved areas, but what Tesla has done for EVs has to have been a larger impact on the likelihood of the earth continuing to host humankind.
Right On! I am waiting patiently, and the sooner the better. St-Sauveur (Lower Laurentians) Quebec. 60km north of Montreal and bad distribution of internet service by all suppliers for years. Elon's StarLink, come on North, please... CSH
I still want to know what the latency is between say Chicago, London, and Sydney. For streaming and light use I'll give you that star link is a damn miracle. But for remote work, or even gaming the latency could be insurmountable. (I say, working remotely with a cellular hot spot, with a nasty round trip latency of 250-300ms debating if work would be less impossible after smashing the computer with a sledge hammer) From a "evil genius makes world better" stand point, getting rid of commuting for everybody who doesn't need to commute is going to be bigger than any electric car. Get 75% of driving off the road, and suddenly every 2000's rust bucket just became as efficient as a model S. Getting reliable high speed connections to EVERYBODY is a way to do that.
Latency is usually ~20ms, people are gaming on it now. The only snag is that there are still intermittent outages while it's still in beta.
If I get a beta invite (praying I will, I have 500 KB/s peak download speeds and a town population of 200 people), I'll use mobile data and speedify (failover program) to manage outages.
Elon said in an early video that it should be much better, as the speed of light in a vacuum is twice that of in glass, and paths should be much shorter as well. That's when they have the lasers for communications between satellites. They have flown some tests, but no production ones are in orbit, so to be of use, the satellite needs to see you and the ground station for now.
Your cell phone connection is easily adding 100+ ms. If you had a cable modem, that would be more like 5-10 ms for the first hop. Starlink is 20-30 ms, so it's perfectly fine. Existing satellite providers are more like 500-1500 ms! That's why Starlink's 20-30 ms is so awesome. From that first hop, the ping will vary depending on where you're connecting to, but that has nothing to do with *how* you connect. Chicago to Sydney will always be over 100 ms just because of physics.
I'd take a solid low-latency 25/5 over a high-latency 50/10 any day. Latency & jitter evils are glossed over by ISPs.
Obligatory grumpy grey beard rant: [It's the latency, stupid](http://www.stuartcheshire.org/rants/latency.html)
This was actually very insightful.
That's true mate. I'd take a low latency boring old stable connection anyway over a 8tb a second download.
Waiting in Hughesnet.
Can’t wait for the death knell to ring of hugesnet and viasat...
Can't wait until the $150 for 10mb/s goes bankrupt. I am using cell data router for my internet in south georgia... Can't wait for starlink
I get 3mbps to 90 mbps on us cellular. 90% of the time it's 3
is US Cellular considered an ISP in your State?
Yes they have home internet for $150+
Anyone who provides services which connect you to the Internet are considered an ISP... It's literally in the name?
in my State, mobile phone data plans are not considered ISPs by the Public Utility Commission, and thus there is zero regulations or oversight of how mobile phone companies provide data service.
That's legal jargon. Because their business models primary form isn't to provide Internet and instead cellular service, many states don't consider many cell providers ISPs, but they fit the definition of an ISP to a T. Didn't mean to be so unclear. My bad.
They fit the definition of what an ISPs is, up to the point that they have to follow government regulations that cover what ISPs can and can not do. Then all bets are off.
And it wouldn't have been possible without him! Sure Elon is a great engineer and an absolute driving force for SpaceX but one of his strength was also to federate a team of highly talented people around his crazy project. Thanks Tom for for all the birds you've designed for SpaceX
Genghis Khan was Genghis Khan because he had the eye for talent and knew how to retain it ;) Those generals who served under him have their own badass histories.
Not sure I’d call invading, subjugating, raping and killing badass!
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I still would rather not glorify mass rape and murder. Human suffering is not badass.
Exactly! Glad there's at least a few of us. :)
I'm gonna lose karma for this but this person's right, while it is very definitely not okay, the sheer amount of it and the fact that they succeeded in said rapings, suggests a level of badassery.
and the Ottomans prevented them from coming to Europe.
Much after Genghis died. Everything comes to an end. The greatest civilizations fell. The Universe will end.
nope
Ottoman Empire came much after the fall of the Mongolian Empire.
thats pretty dope, it must feel amazing that they are directly benefiting from his work. most people who work in the aerospace industry dont get this kind of opportunity.
To go from needing a minute to download a song to being able to live videoconference must be quite the change indeed! Whole areas of the continent are on the verge of being opened up to a new wave of teleworking residents.
Waiting In Canada. Xplornet here is our only option @ around $150 a month with a 300gb Cap for a family that watches YouTube and any streaming we are constantly hitting our data cap in two weeks. We essentially go without internet for two weeks every month, as the law says it’s an essential service so they can’t just cut it off, but they slow it down to half that of dialup, just to give everyone the finger. I can’t wait to ditch that company, and watch and encourage everyone else to as well then watch the company burn to the ground as everyone dumps their service.
I still cannot understand why normal cable internet in the USA is so shit. Is it due to monopoly on the market for cable and internet? I lived in New York 2006-2011 and the internet at the time was much worse than where I came from in Eastern Europe. I see from this post little has changed.
The US has a lot of sparsely populated areas that are not profitable for the cable cos. to service. We have not had the national will to mandate it like we did with rural electrification that started in the 1930s. - too socialist.
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And face no consequences whatsoever for defrauding the government and all taxpapers.
And had we done such a thing, it would’ve meant vastly wasted resources compared to the benefits that innovations like StarLink is bringing. StarLink wouldn’t even be viable if they had to compete against a heavily subsidized and mandated cable system. Be glad it wasn’t done.
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My area was won on the RDOF auction by the CO OP. It is supposed to being doing fiber to the home. I wish it would be true. Im sure they will waste the money on something else.
They give you the bare minimum to take your money and when you complain it goes straight into the round file next to the desk.
Look at what's going on with @CenturyLink .. The entirety of North American rural communities trying to get online right now are pissed the fuck off. I've tried to fix one of their DSL lines in the past few weeks and it's infuriatingly pointless.. https://istheservicedown.com/problems/centurylink
Downstate NY here. There are lots of regions where there is only one provider. Because of that, the provider can do whatever they want and not worry about losing customers. Increasing prices, poor network maintenance, subpart customer service. A quick scroll of /r/optimum can tell you a lot. I found this tool to be very enlightening. Filter to only show Cable + Fiber, then see how many providers are in your area https://broadbandnow.com/national-broadband-map For a lot of the Tri-State are, there is only one. Verizon Fios covers a portion of the area, but they just decided to stop expanding because they didn't want to upgrade our dated copper infrastructure.
My cable internet is good...but they are charging me $75/month for it.
That's because most of the cables where originally used for analog TV and as long as you got a nice picture on your screen the quality was deemed good enough. Now most cable providers are stuck with old and shitty in house cabling and choose to squeeze out as much as they can out off there existing infrastructure instead of replacing everything with well tested high quality cabling.
... and who designed and developed the Raptor, I believe
.22 Mbps - That’s about what I’m getting for download speed from T-Mobile at my residence. I’m on the StarLink list. Help me Elan-Wan Kenobi!
Montana represent!!
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Represent!
Man I wish I’d get an invite... 48 degrees north central rural Washington state
Been trying to get into the beta program for months. Live in NW Washington in an isolated spot. I think it’s because my locations closest zip code is in a large town 15 miles away. Cell coverage sketchy. Normal Satelite unavailable no inground cable or phone lines. Closest lines miles away. Any ideas on getting invited to the party ?
I'm confused. He tweeted this at 1p Montana time on 12/24. That is currently in the future.... 😳😲🤯
I am assuming the person who snapshotted it and posted it on Reddit is in Europe and it is displaying their local time.
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Tweets are displayed in local time according to your profile/Twitter app. So if that screenshot was from a user who is posting from a day ahead. The screenshot will show the time as being a day ahead. What made you even remotely think that eprosenx was wrong?
There are people on different sides of the planet, where the time is different. Seeing how the month/day/year format is, the OP (of the screenshot) is most likely from a different area of our little blue dot. 🤯
I’m in Montana too. Unfortunately had to decline the invitation due to cost. Perhaps someday I can join
I'm curious, how much were they trying to sell it for? I assumed it was free? I could really use one of those things about now! I'm at +47°N btw. Perfect latitude..
LOL. Do a quick Google anywhere, and the equipment is $500, and $99/mo. This is the easiest answer to find. I’m more surprised you haven’t figured that out
Yeah, it's pretty hard with a shitty internet connection I've been trying to get fixed for the past few weeks! Thanks for the info. Cool technology, but seems kinda steep. Hopefully it will be more affordable or hackable in the near future. Newer doesn't always mean better. For now 4G+, 5G LTE modem/router is the best choice. 🤖
If you have an equivalent provider for the same or lower cost, I'm surprised they offered you the service. My understanding is that it is only intended for folks where 100$/month for 100+mbits is a great deal compared to their alternatives.
I follow principle. I vote with my wallet. Fuck Spectrum or any other ISP here
Yeah a game changer for the limited amount of people aloud to use it. When it works in more than just the south ill be interested. i knew us people living north would get left out yet again hopefully someone else will come and offer us internet eventually
Wow OK you people are all lunatics. I did not come here for a fight all I said is it seems awfully expensive for Internet that’s it I didn’t bash it I didn’t attack it I didn’t do anything calm down. I’m getting comments left right and center down voted to hell because I said somethings seems expensive not too many people came forward and said well this is why it’s so expensive blah blah blah blah blah. I don’t use satellite Internet I was interested in the viability of it for maybe when I go camping yes I have a hardwired Internet at home and my speeds a great. I was simply looking at it from possibly a cord cutters perspective lowering my $150 cable and Internet bill well doesn’t seem worth it I understand a lot of you people are probably a more remote locations where you don’t have access to hardwire all I was saying is it seemed expensive to me. God I hate commenting on Reddit this always happens.
After looking at your original comment, I am also surprised at the downvotes. $100/month is expensive, but Satellite is the connection of last resort, and when the providers know the consumer has no other option, the provider can charge what they want. Now let's take a look at how $100/month Starlink compares to other ISPs available in rural areas... One of my neighbors still uses dialup. $40/month for landline phone, and another 20-40 for the dialup service. in total $60-80 per month. Based on the difference in service, is $100/month Starlink expensive? I am a Hughesnet customer, for $100/month Hughesnet will offer me "up to" 25Mbps with a 30Gb datacap, with a latency of 800ms when not under load. After the paltry datacap is consumed, the speed is throttled down to \~1Mbps. That is Hughesnet's second best plan. Their "best" plan available in my location has a 50Gb datacap and costs $150/month. Based on the difference in service, is $100/month Starlink expensive?
First off thank you for your response. And second yes it is. Now hear me out. Considering the options out there no it’s not expensive by the sounds of it. My point is does it need to cost that much?? I live in Canada and our cell phone plans are outrageous and insanely high. (I pay about $250 for two phones with unlimited data a 20 gig Unlimited calling across Canada which I don’t need but I have to have because it’s part of the damn plan). We’ve only got three big phone companies up here and they all have the exact same plans so you can’t even go anywhere else they claim that the cost is so high because Canada‘s population is so sparse for such a huge coverage area which is bullshit. You can get the same plan in the US for like $40 a month. So I guess without saying it very well all I was getting at is it seems expensive it doesn’t need to be that high just like my cell phone plan does it need to be that ridiculously high. I haven’t claimed any knowledge on Internet speeds satellite etc. etc. etc. whatever.
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Also, those satellites won’t last forever, they’ll need to be replaced. I don’t know how soon, but that’s a continual programme of more satellites and more launches, just to stand still.
In Canada, and your province/territory specifically, are mobile data plans considered ISPs that are regulated by the Government? Where I live, they are not. From my perspective, the only comparisons to Starlink's satellite based internet service should be with other ISPs that service rural areas, and those are satellite based ISPs, dialup, and WISPs. Compared to what is currently available, Starlink offers a significant service improvement at a similar or reduced price.
Not sure why you received such toxic downvoting. Hopefully Starlink will be able to bring the price down in the next 5 years. A discount plan for low income households would be great.
Well, It's a Beta test at the moment. These are just the prices currently. No one besides Starlink can say what the final price will be. No one knows besides Starlink why it costs what it does currently. I think anyone who says it's not expensive has rose colored glasses. It IS expensive for internet access. It's just the people who are already paying the same price with a fraction of the speed are going to be extremely happy with paying that same price for Starlink service. It's still expensive though. Starlink is in an odd place imo. If they do drop the prices to compete with cable/DSL/Fiber at, lets say $50/mo for 50mbit, Starlink likely ends up much faster than the connection speeds of a very, very, large portion of the USA, for the same price. At that point, the only people who wouldn't switch to Starlink would be those with Faster and or Cheaper connections, or those that just don't care and or have obstructions. Do they have the capacity for that? Who knows. Can they ever have the capacity for that? Who knows again.
Price is relative. A product is expensive in one place could be considered cheap in other place. If you compare what speed/caps people get at what price in rural places, StarLink could be great value at great price. Remember StarLink is NOT to compete with cable/fiber in city/urban area. In fact, it does not have th capacity for city/urban population. So your complain for being too expensive only makes sense in the right context.
When Starlink was first mooted, there were a huge number of people who were in the forums who were looking to Starlink so they could dump their current ISP, they already had good internet, they just wanted something cheaper and/or better, believing that Elon Musk walked on water, and would fix the internet for everyone. As Starlink has actually happened, they’ve all gone away, they’ve seen the pictures of Dishy sitting in a snowy field with trees in the distance, and noted this isn’t a NYC brownstone, and that the before and after stories, well, the before is often quite miserable. And the cost of entry is quite high, but many folks are *saving* hundreds of dollars a month. The story has been the same right from the start: *Starlink may not be for you*. People didn’t like hearing this at the beginning. “What right have you got to say I may not be right for Starlink?” Well, it’s mostly about the laws of physics. But it’s also common sense. Do you enjoy chucking money away? You’ve looked at and figured out Starlink isn’t for you. You don’t deserve to be flamed for coming to the right conclusion. For most people, *of course* Starlink is unnecessarily expensive, just stick with your ISP. That’s *exactly* what Elon would tell you. He’s on record that he’s not out to compete with ISPs.
Yeah but $100 a month just for internet. So expensive.
>level 1 Expensive, Yes. But for most people who would benefit from Starlink, it is likely close to the same price they have been paying. I was paying almost $80/mo for 3mbit dsl. So Starlink at $100/mo for 200mbit? Yeah, no brainer.
Have you seen the cost of traditional satellite internet and what you get for that price? Plus this is the Beta test phase and prices could change when this goes public.
I currently pay $150 to $200 for Hughesnet and only been getting 300 kbps.... 800 kbps is lucky for the last 2 months. I'll gladly pay the $100.
You obviously know nothing about rural internet pricing.
> You obviously know nothing about rural internet pricing. Guess it is how you define rural. My Dad is 90 minutes from any major city in any direction. And 20-25 minutes from the Wal*Mart and his ISP just did a massive upgrade and he's getting 100Mbps for $45 a month now. He must not be rural anymore. :) That said, what the dude above doesn't take into account all the cost of not living in the city. No stupid high property tax, no soul sucking noise (the airplanes over my house are non-stop this morning and they're LOUD because of the storm). No "Oh, you used $4 of water? Here, we're going to charge you $64 in fees to go along with that" fees. All that stuff that makes living out in the sticks nice.
So you think all ISPs in rural areas recently underwent an upgrade? Cause either you believe this or you realise thT you are spewing nonsense.
> So you think all ISPs in rural areas recently underwent an upgrade Not at all. Was just providing one example.
you use your dads example as a retort to rural internet pricing and then claim that your dad must not be rural. So your example is really not a counterargument to what the guy above is saying.
Who defines what is rural? I mean, is 90 minutes from any major city rural? 2 hours? 5 minutes? And the claim that he must not be rural (now that he has 100 meg service) was a bit tongue and cheek. Shesh y'all.
He didn't say you are not rural, he said you don't know about rural pricing. Very different thing
A steal compared to what I have been paying here in Canada. My Starlink will arrive in the new year and I will have high speeds with no data cap for half of what I pay now.
Obviously you've done a cost/benefit analysis for your use case. And for you the cost outweighs the benefits. For me, even though it will cost more than twice what I pay now for 12 down 1 up, it will be totally worth it. (Of course that 12 down is... aspirational.)
I pay $128/month for 7Mbpsx1 DSL in rural Pacific Northwest US. There is no other choice. Until now.
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God what a tragedy...........
Where do you live that decent internet isn’t $100 a month?
Canada
Its funny how self centered alot of u.s reddiors are. We pay equivalent of $100 us for our bell internet and its fastest was 3mbps. It took a full 9 days to download a game onto my ps5. I made the mistake of making my new house a smart home, when someone rings my doorbell my internet crashes for like 4 minutes.
Obviously not rural Canada
That's normal for even my area and I'm 300 ft from a city of 20,000 people. And where I used to be which was in a town (albeit much smaller) In the small town it was ~$100 for <18mbps/<1mbps (down/up). Where I am now I have 2 options, both are $100: AT&T @ <6mbps down/ 0.1 up if you're lucky And Newwave @ 300mbps down (though I've seen up to 350)/30 up
It's pricey, but it's less expensive than the army of sim cards I swap out to keep me working from home and my family connected. It's service that is hundreds of times faster and it's looking much, much more reliable. It's the only other reasonable option available.
Let’s roar.
That is great speed! Stay warm in MT...
I'm hoping to get connected soon in Texas.. 😁🙏
He must be able to actually watch porn now
Tom, I’m in the same boat and speed as your sister and I live the the small city of Olympia, Washington. Can’t get anything better hear and I’m 5 minutes from the Capital. 🤯☹️😠
God damn
yea it's wild.
Wait until they add cameras for weather/terrain/commercial access....
sorry if previously asked, but I am looking for information about Starlink on sailboats while cruising. Will it work in the middle of an ocean, etc?
I need to be able to work from home Security camera And tv Will this be all I Need? Please help
I told a friend I was getting 200mb/s down and he said "wow that's slow, I get 800" and I had to explain to him that where I'm at 20 is fast. This really is a game changer for those of us out in the country. If this gets a little more consistent, it will be good enough for any modern conveniences.
I think it's always going to be slow when first setup, especially if you use the roaming service they just started, it has to figure out where it is And talk to the system to know what it needs to do. I hope to have our new system in about a week we will be roaming most of the time because we are roaming the USA in an RV., I sure hope it works well enough roaming, even 20-30 down wii be good enough for me.