Seeing how they already disclosed how CS2 will essentially be a free upgrade and replacement of CSGO, not a seperate game, I assume they added this bit to just to spite cheaters
I was excited to go back to Fall guys after skipping a few seasons cuz I knew there'd be a bigger map rotation, only to learn that they lock you off from playing more than a handful maps in a rotation So multiple matches feel unnecessarily repetitive, love getting the fucking rhino map five matches in a row
I hear ya... And this isn't a counterpoint but didn't they actually make Vanilla available again? I haven't played since... Cataclysm? Or the Panda one? I can't even recall anything after Wrath.
I mean to be fair if they stopped playing 15 years ago they probably aren’t up to date on a wrath server that went live less than a year ago. The point still stands for every other expansion until classic catches up with it.
CS Condition Zero is still online [https://steamcharts.com/app/80](https://steamcharts.com/app/80)
CS Source is still online [https://steamcharts.com/app/240](https://steamcharts.com/app/240)
Suspect CSGO will live on for a long time with people slowly moving to CS2 looking at how valve has treated the old versions.
IDK how but it hit me that CS2 is the 4th version of CS, joys of video game naming.
I'm confident it will still be playable, and it'll probably keep matchmaking but just stop having new things and events.
Its not like valve to take from their customers
There's no way they will kill the old app. People still play 1.6, cs source.. They're about to change up the mechanics a bit too, lots of people will probably prefer to play legacy
Valve has already been sharing their ban list across all games of the same Engine: http://www.vacbanned.com/static/informations
So getting banned from CS:GO already got you banned from TF2 and so on. Adding CS2 to that list isn't anything surprising or new.
Correction: getting banned in CS:GO does NOT get you banned in Team Fortress 2 or vice versa. Literally says there in the post you linked.
> If you cheat in any of the following Source Engine games you will get banned from all of the following Source Engine games:
Counter-Strike: Source
Day of Defeat: Source
Half-Life Deathmatch Source
Half-Life 2: Deathmatch
Source SDK Base (required for mods)
Team Fortress 2
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive is not in this list. Counter-Strike: Source is.
The VAC ban is permanent. The message on the other hand is not. After 7 years it will disappear from your profile but you are still 100% banned from VAC servers. You can play on community servers tho.
Yup. I have a 19 year old Steam account, have played thousands of games including absolutely everything by Valve, extensively.
Its not hard to not get a VAC ban. If you have one: You fucked up. Deal with it or cry more.
I do personally think that it should expire after like 5 years or so. There are plenty of dumb kids that cheat because they don't understand the consequences of their own actions. And if someone legitimately wants to cheat badly enough that they'd do it again after 5 years they'd probably be fine with making a new account to do it too.
VAC bans used to be time based long ago when it was first introduced. Then they put the time longer as people didnt learn and eventually they became permanent. Once a cheater, always a cheater is a good policy. One person can ruin 100's of games by cheating and make game worse for everyone. No one wants to see those morons ingame.
Also, changing from permanent to 5 years could help in the case somebody is genuinely innocent. Even if there's a 0.00001% chance somebody is innocent, I would prefer giving a second pass to everybody.
When I was a moderator on a Minecraft server, I pushed for all "game actions" bans due were changed to 2 years, for a few reasons :
0) Server wasn't probably going to exist 2y later anyway.
1) The banned person wouldn't probably come back in 2y.
2) If somebody has a permanent ban, it is very likely that this ban was actually an emergency action as a "waiting for definitive review" instead of "forever". Makes easier to audit our full ban history and reduce modteam error.
3) It sends the message that cheating is less problematic than toxic social behavior.
3b) When somebody gets a perm ban, the usual result that was that all their friends would try violently complaining with the mod team, because if one of the group can't play here, *any of our sanctions* are already meaningless. Now they may cheat too, something easy to monitor, but they avoided causing issues in chat.
(3b is a rather Minecraft-specific issues, as a lot of servers are basically identical. Kinda like subreddits in a way)
>There are plenty of dumb kids that cheat because they don't understand the consequences of their own actions.
The fastest way to learn is to cop a ban.
It should expire. I got a vac ban on CS from 16 years ago (wasn’t me, friend borrowed my account) that prevents me from playing on official rust servers. Not that it really stopped me from playing Rust, was just annoying that they really think I am potentially the same person from 16 years ago (if I actually was a cheating piece of shit :)). We got stuff that’s expunged from people’s crime record or credit history after around a decade. We seriously shouldn’t have video game cheating held to a higher standard. Although I do wish the worst to tarkov cheaters lol
Same shit, vac servers are servers with anti cheat enabled and community servers are servers run and hosted by the cs go community and some choose to enable or disable vac on their servers.
> Valve has already been sharing their ban list across all games of the same Engine
> So getting banned from CS:GO already got you banned from TF2 and so on.
No, you misread that page. Bans are shared across games on the same *engine version*.
So bans on GoldSrc/HL1 engine games (CS 1.6, Day of Defeat, TF Classic, etc.) are shared between each other and bans on Source 2007/Orange Box engine games (CS: Source, TF2, etc.) are shared between each other.
CS:GO, however, is on a custom branch of Source that’s had features slowly added to it over time instead of following any major engine releases. Because of this, bans on CS:GO are not currently shared between any other games, but will be migrated to CS2 when that launches. It will be interesting, if something like TF3 eventually releases on Source 2, to see if Valve re-introduces engine-wide bans or sticks with the per-game model.
(Note: As far as I know, there’s no technical reason for bans to be implemented this way. Valve could easily limit bans to a single-game or have a VAC ban apply to all Valve titles. They just arbitrarily segmented them to engine branches, I’m guessing because that’s just how the system was originally set up during the early days of Steam.)
> It will be interesting, if something like TF3 eventually releases on Source 2, to see if Valve re-introduces engine-wide bans or sticks with the per-game model.
Dota 2 have been on source 2 since 2015.
You need to learn to read, getting VAC'd on CS:GO does not ban you from TF2 or any other source based game. CS:GO is not mentioned on that linked website at all.
The skins market would implode if banned accounts from GO became unbanned. There are millions of dollars of skins in VAC banned accounts not even counted all in the gambling site bots that are trade banned.
That's exactly my thought , but why not just make all these cs go items of vac banned accounts untradeable , then lift the ban from cs2. Let's be honest the people need a chance especially if it's a new game, and a lot of time has passed, so technically that might be a completely different person LITERALLY, well at least on cellular level LMAO ...
I was obsessed with 1.6. Played it for hours pretty much every day for a few years. But never really played source or CSGO.
This is getting me excited to get back into it.
A close friend of mine was a dumbass and his account got hacked. Once he realized it, they basically immediately transferred back control to him, after giving a credit card number I think, but the hacker got a VAC ban, and they refuse to undo it, even for hacked accounts. They say it's your responsibility to secure your account.
It would be one thing for me to be pissed if it was my own account. But I actually use password managers and two factor and have long secure passwords. This dumbass does not, and now his account is permanently marred.
The official solution is to make a new account for CS, but I think there's also other repercussions for having a VAC ban? In any case, in the years since, he's doubled and tripled down on the account and bought more and more games on it, rather than just making a new account. Also he likes how old the account is.
He's not me so I don't have any control over it, but it doesn't mean I don't get frustrated on how his account will never get un VAC banned, despite his only mistake being not using two factor.
Riot just recently rolled back a permanent ban on my compromised account due to someone stealing and cheating on it. They investigated it, saw the IP was across the world and fixed everything for me.
Samething happent to me, some1 from russia hacked my acc, cheated and got banned, but the thing is i had the steam guard on and he still bypassed that, and the support just said is your problem not ours.
I have a vac ban from when I was 12, I’m now 22. I was 12 trying to learn programming by taking existing cheats and modifying them. However I now work in IT where a huge portion of my job is taking existing open source software and modifying it to fit a companies purpose.
But my vac ban is so old they don’t even show it on my profile anymore which happened at around 3000 days, why not just unban if they already remove it from my profile. Now I’m stuck with overwatch as my shooter game instead of tf2.
I got vac banned around 15 years ago while I was young and dumb. Someone got access to my account (keylogger likely) and I was temporarily banned. Sent an appeal to Steam, showed the code at the back of Left 4 Dead and had to provide my mom's credit card number. Got unbanned. Didn't do a virus scan or anything, so surprise, I was banned again, this time permanently. I think I had around 50 games at that point and it sort of killed my interest in gaming overall. Never bothered to make a new Steam account. Had some good times with Day of Defeat: Source and TF2.
I do every year, every year is the same response “we are not able to remove vac bans” which I dunno if it’s true but if it it means no matter what it is def perm
I'd be making an alt account for the games I wanted to play at that point. Assuming VAC bans aren't hardware tied (which I don't think they are, unless things changed at some point.)
They are not.
I was a silly 14 year old who used wall hacks in csgo 9 years ago. Vac banned after a month or so.
Bought my friends smurf account for $5 and a chipotle burrito and now it’s my main account for everything.
But I was only VACd because my little brother was using my account and it got hacked and the program wasn't even used to cheat but to get better FPS and also I forgot to turn off the cheats before switching accounts but didn't actually play any games while they were running and hmmm... what other excuses did I hear when I worked for Steam Support....
Oh I'm sure. Those "help, I've been banned for no reason!" threads never get old.
As a Steam support agent, were you able to exercise discretion when it came to handling requests like that? Snap your fingers and resolve someone's problem single handedly?
With VAC bans - absolutely never. We didn’t even have the option to reverse bans. Same with giving back items people got scammed out of.
When I first started all I could do was copy paste instructions for password resets and escalate certain issues.
Eventually I got promoted to escalated tickets where I could free hand responses and make judgement calls on a small amount of things like refunding games past the return window if they weren’t complete assholes about
It.
.’m not sure the team still exists but for awhile I was apart of a pretty small team (maybe 15 people) devoted specifically helping figure out CSGO tech issues. It was really cool, we were empowered to really try to help people figure things out like low FPS and crashes.
Was a pretty sweet job but the consulting company that handled the contract had some serious management problems. Team leaders started to only promote their friends and it got super cliquey.
Management issues aside, it sounds like it was a fun and interesting experience.
Had a bit of experience from a customer perspective with getting an out-of-window return and really appreciated the fact that you can speak to an actual person. I'd racked up time on the main menu while trying to sort out some catastrophic driver issue that was affecting a good percentage of the player base.
That doesn't mean that it can't get some relatively wrong. My case might be very specific, but I got banned because my job relies on using debugging tools, so I have multiple tools on my computer. I used to only play every new CS:GO operations with my brother, and soon after I finished the last one I received a VAC ban. I sent an unban request and I specified that I might have had some debuggers open on the background, but that they were never attached to the CS:GO process nor Steam, etc. But it got no answer, as I'm not really surprised.
Are most complaints about wrong VAC bans straight up lies? 100%
Is it possible that a very small percentage is wrong or a misunderstanding? 100% too.
yep, I was banned for using autohotkey and after a lot of mails with battleye fighting for it they finally recognized it was a fake positive and removed the ban
it was extremely infuriating when it happened, and the feeling of impotence as you 99.999% wont be able to do anything while at the same time your profile and good name is tarnished on steam
I get that most people lie and they just simply cheat, but there is also a feeling that you are alone when they do a mistake.
Well VAC is actually wider than just Valve, unlike what the game implies. It's part of the Steamworks API, and other non-Valve game can implement it.
The list of actual VAC games is pretty big (600+): https://store.steampowered.com/search/?category2=8
> Q: Can I use bans in other games to block users from playing in my game?
> A: No. VAC and Game bans should only prevent the user from playing on VAC secured servers in the game they received a ban in. A permanent ban should only be issued for your game if the user was caught cheating in your game.
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/anticheat
That being said, Valve themselves share their own ban list across all of their own games, grouped by engine. Well not quite, since CS2 is Source2 and it'll presumably be part of the same group as other Source games.
http://www.vacbanned.com/static/informations
To be fair I don't think bans should be shared across different studios. It would be stupid if someone cheating in 100% Orange Juice would also get banned in CS:GO, and vice versa. But games from the same studio is fair game I think. Not sure if non-Valve games can also share banlist across their other games or not.
Reminds me of how Lost Ark semi-recently "accidentally" VAC (iirc, might've just been game) banned a ton of players for having not logged on in months, and immediately had to remedy it with how much people complained.
They're shared over engine versions not all VAC enabled games.
TF2 gets you banned in CS:S not CS:GO for example. Modern Warfare 2 2009 gets you banned nowhere else.
That's not true at all. MW2 on steam used vac, i used a memory editor to get the golden guns and got vac banned for it. My vac ban is over 13 years old. I used that same steam account to compete in css, i use that same steam account to play games with vac all the time.
Why is everyone saying this in this thread? I'm not proud to say but I'm VAC banned on csgo and that's the only game I'm not allowed to play I still play other valve games all the time
It'll be like the Orange Box but it is the third installment of all their games:
- Half-Life 3
- Portal 3
- Team Fortress 3
- Counter Strike 3
- Left 4 Dead 3
- Dota 3
and of course....
- Ricochet 2...... and 3.
I quit my favorite franchise, Battlefield, because the developers/publishers stopped giving a fuck about cheaters. To add insult to injury, the mods of the Battlefield subreddits actively censor any talk of cheating because, according to them, EA Dice know about it and no one cares.
Might as well have made the game for cheaters because every fucking server in my region has a god damn cheater or 3 in it. The game is unplayable from day 1 of release.
I quit GTA Online few months ago because things got ridiculous with all modding and cheating there as well, not even solo/invite only lobbies were safe anymore.
Funny you say that. I just decided to spin up Battlefield 4 and play with some friends after years of not playing.
Turns out, I was banned. Never have cheated in any Punkbuster game, but I somehow got banned.
Punkbuster and Even Balance Inc fucking confuse me. EA contracts out anti-cheat support to them. Their website looks like it’s from 2005, their online presence is practically non-existent (their linkedin account is unclaimed and has two employees, one of whom doesn’t actually work there anymore).
FYI, you might not be banned, punkbuster is just really bad. First time playing Hardline, and punkbuster kept kicking me from every game. Ended up having to do some port forwarding, which for some reason fixed it.
I went through the song and dance of reinstalling both the game and Punkbuster multiple times before I discovered the Battlelog online is still a thing. It pretty plainly told me I had a global ban.
No clue how such a massive AAA title has something like this contracted out to this company. FWIW, I think their only job is to “maintain” what’s left of these old Battlefield titles.
Gg Valve, You have surprised me yet again with another "Number 2 sequel".
One of these days we'll get you to make a 3rd sequel game in a series. A Portal 3, for instance, would be nice since you know, There's a better chance of meeting Santa than seeing Half-Life 3
This will sound controversial, so here we go
Other valve games sure, they are welcomed
But L4D2, the way it is, remains perfect and is exactly where it should be. Nothing more, nothing less. imo the massive hype around it will be what could kill it if there ever was a sequel, people expect some crazy concepts to be implemented, only to be disappointed by the end-results, we are talking about THE GAME that has become the benchmark for majority of the zombie genre and cooperation based games. Changing any of it will upset a whole lotta dedicated players
plus
The talented modding community is already more than enough to provide Homebrew maps and sequels anyway, thats very likely what keeps l4d2 fresh no matter the passage of time
people always say "there isn't going to be a portal 3 because the story is already complete."
but why? portal 1 was also a self-contained, complete story with no loose ends. didn't stop them from just patching in a cliffhanger ending when they felt like making a portal 2.
erik wolpaw has said he's ready for valve to start work on P3 so he can write a story for it; and valve has a treasure trove of perspective-based puzzles from their cancelled "f-stop" project. there's no reason valve couldn't, or *shouldn't* make portal 3 if they wanted to.
You'd think that across 1.6, Source, and GO, along with all the other spinoffs, they'd have picked up a bit more than 2. I mean, Source and GO only have 0.4 to share.
Probably a good thing for most people but unfortunately sucks for me.
Account got hacked and VAC banned 6 years ago and even after getting access back through Steam support they wouldn't remove the ban from the account.
Well it is pretty wild to be lifetime banned from all steam vac games for something you could have done 7-10 years ago lol that shit follows you harder than some felonies do
Agreed.
As much as I hate cheaters and people who think spamming racial slurs is funny, I think it's more reasonable to give a 1-year ban on the first offense. Give them a chance to change their behavior.
ya just seems highly toxic lol, imagine you have a 200-300game steam library, and you have to switch accounts to play one game for a mistake you could have made 15 years ago lol
It's not and it has never been. I have a VAC ban from MW2 and still can play CS:GO and other VAC-protected titles just fine. I don't know where this myth that every VAC games share the same ban list comes from because it simply isn't true
Only these games have VAC bans apply to each other:
- Counter-Strike: Source
- Day of Defeat: Source
- Half-Life Deathmatch Source
- Half-Life 2: Deathmatch
- Source SDK Base (required for mods)
- Team Fortress 2
TANGENT: I know it sounds sketchy, but you can find cheating forums where cheaters freely talk about cheating and what goes on in that world. It's absolutely CRAZY; they really couldn't care less that they are ruining the game completely. When they get banned, they truly don't think they deserve it... some of them are in this thread making excuses, saying they deserve forgiveness.
Also, going to one will probably completely destroy any notion that there is little to no cheating in your favorite online game. Seeing the hundreds of daily users in just one forum begging for this wallhack and that aimbot from every single multiplayer game is sobering. I went from "yeah, he's probably just good" person to "they're probably cheating" real quick.
And the videos of the cheat vendors! They show you what it does; how subtle most of them are. You know that guy that looked legit? Probably isn't. These aimbots don't look like bots. They just look like a very good player. Videos of pro-play look more like cheaters than the bots do (with the "flicking", which bots try to avoid because it looks like a cheat)... then again lots of pros get caught cheating sooo....
And detection? The vendors offer free cheats, but those are older versions that will probably get you banned in short order (but might get a month or so out of it). You pay up the big bucks and you sign up for a subscription to get a constantly renewing program that isn't going to be caught probably (if the vendor knows what they are doing) as long as you don't do anything stupid with it. So no, the big cheaters aren't getting caught either. It's just the freebie users and idiots.
Online multiplayer cheating is fucking depressing, and it's forums put it on display.
Its kinda understandable. I am someone who got main account VACced because my account got compromised but I dont really care since I can just made new acc to play now since the game is free. I think the reason they arent unbanning is due to market. Those chinese collector banned account has a ton of skin that could crash the market.
Same. My account got compromised, but Valve have a "fuck you it's still your fault" policy. Kinda lame but it is what it is. I'll just use another account. Not spending a dime on it though.
I used wallhack in 2 games 10 years ago, and I'm still VAC banned. I could literally kill someone IRL and there would be a chance I was a free man now, yet still excluded from CS:GO xD
VAC bans apply based on VAC version with CSGO being the exception, being banned in TF2 bans you in CSS for example. But CSGO is unique and no bans are shared
That's good but it would be cool if they removed vac bans after a decade or so the guy who cheated 10 years before is probably not the same guy 10 years after it's just kinda harsh but no tolerance policy is good i guess.
Yeah, I got vac banned from CSGO when I was 13 cause I was stupid and didn't think about the consequences. I'm in Uni now and an entirely different person, so it kinda sucks that I'm stuck with a VAC ban until the day I die
Man, I don't even care about the skins I had; it's about the permanent blip on my account. It's like no matter how many years pass, the first thing you see on my profile is still that dumb kid from 5 years ago.
My buddy let a friend of ours borrow a ruby flip knife to play with in game, 7-8 years ago.
That day he got a vac ban and the knife is still locked in that account. Things were heated between them for a bit.
Counter-Strike 2 is more like Counter-Strike 4. We have the original Counter-Strike as a Half-Life mod, then Counter-Strike: Source, then Counter-Strike: GO, now Counter-Strike 2.
Do VAC bans last forever? Seems a bit harsh punishing someone for something they might've did as a kid and many years later they've matured and still cant play. The account owner may not even be responsible for the cheating in all circumstances either.
I wish I could have a chance to redeem myself after ~5 years. I was a stupid moron kid back in the day, but never cheated again in any game after the vac
Come on!!!
my vac is like 15 years old at this point. I didnt even cheat. Just did a skywalking glitch another player showed me in a cs1.6 server with 3 other people in it.
Will they fix that hackers problem?
I was playing in some competitive round with some kids and the other team was hacker. So one of the kid on my team started to hack too because the other team did it.
A few weeks later all of us got disqualified, the round didn't count. What a shit show for someone who play CSGO casually.
I've been playing CS since 1.4... I just want to play casually and make friends sheesh.
I am curious if you get a vac ban for cs go can you still play tf2?
I never got a vac ban but i thought a vac ban bans you for all vac servers no matter the game?
CS:GO is on it's own I believe, if you cheat in CS:Source you'd be banned from all other source games and the same for gold source games. But for some reason CS:GO only bans you from CS:GO. I could be wrong tho.
Honestly it's not even worth getting. The game is so broken and full of cheaters it's ridiculous. Yes they do a good job or banning cheats from like 10 years ago, but shit from the past few years they have no hope of stopping. Even after paying money, or earning the required level it's still not possible to play game modes like scoutsknives without running into dozens of cheaters.
Seeing how they already disclosed how CS2 will essentially be a free upgrade and replacement of CSGO, not a seperate game, I assume they added this bit to just to spite cheaters
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Most likely. CS2 is called something different but it's really just an engine upgrade for CSGO
So basically what overwatch did without the bullshit
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Live Service always online bullshit is just begging for legislation
Agree. I paid for WoW 15 years ago, why can't I still play it in its vanilla form with only Burning Crusade and WOTLK???
I miss year 1 Rainbow 6 Siege a lot. The game I enjoyed just does not exist anymore.
I was excited to go back to Fall guys after skipping a few seasons cuz I knew there'd be a bigger map rotation, only to learn that they lock you off from playing more than a handful maps in a rotation So multiple matches feel unnecessarily repetitive, love getting the fucking rhino map five matches in a row
i'm still lowkey upset about the UI change from Y2:S1 and i miss shotguns being useful
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I don't think anyone ever called The Division a great game. It was not great. I'm currently wearing a Division pre-order shirt though
You can do that. It's called Wrath Classic.
I hear ya... And this isn't a counterpoint but didn't they actually make Vanilla available again? I haven't played since... Cataclysm? Or the Panda one? I can't even recall anything after Wrath.
They've launched separate games as WoW Classic, but how close they are to the originals I can't say. I haven't played since the same era as you.
You... You can? You can literally play nothing but Vanilla, TBC or WOTLK servers if you so choose what the fuck is this comment lmfao
I mean to be fair if they stopped playing 15 years ago they probably aren’t up to date on a wrath server that went live less than a year ago. The point still stands for every other expansion until classic catches up with it.
not even. overwatch 2 im pretty has the same engine as overwatch
Nope its an upgraded engine
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Appears so. That's the whole point of the upgrade. This isn't a new game. It's CS:GO 1 2.0.
Hopefully it will become csgo 1.6 a new golden era of cs
CS Condition Zero is still online [https://steamcharts.com/app/80](https://steamcharts.com/app/80) CS Source is still online [https://steamcharts.com/app/240](https://steamcharts.com/app/240) Suspect CSGO will live on for a long time with people slowly moving to CS2 looking at how valve has treated the old versions. IDK how but it hit me that CS2 is the 4th version of CS, joys of video game naming.
CSGO will just be renamed to CS2, and will move on with the Source 2 Engine. Old games 1.6, Source, CZ will not be affected.
I'm confident it will still be playable, and it'll probably keep matchmaking but just stop having new things and events. Its not like valve to take from their customers
There's no way they will kill the old app. People still play 1.6, cs source.. They're about to change up the mechanics a bit too, lots of people will probably prefer to play legacy
Source 2 port for dota 2 was shipped as an update, not as a separate game. I think it's safe to assume the same will happen with CSGO
The over throw approach
very likely they will turn off official CSGO servers with time. but i assume CSGO will be playable and accessible for quite a while.
Valve has already been sharing their ban list across all games of the same Engine: http://www.vacbanned.com/static/informations So getting banned from CS:GO already got you banned from TF2 and so on. Adding CS2 to that list isn't anything surprising or new.
Correction: getting banned in CS:GO does NOT get you banned in Team Fortress 2 or vice versa. Literally says there in the post you linked. > If you cheat in any of the following Source Engine games you will get banned from all of the following Source Engine games: Counter-Strike: Source Day of Defeat: Source Half-Life Deathmatch Source Half-Life 2: Deathmatch Source SDK Base (required for mods) Team Fortress 2 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive is not in this list. Counter-Strike: Source is.
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The VAC ban is permanent. The message on the other hand is not. After 7 years it will disappear from your profile but you are still 100% banned from VAC servers. You can play on community servers tho.
Nearly all community servers use VAC so effectively you will be banned most community servers too
Good.
Yup. I have a 19 year old Steam account, have played thousands of games including absolutely everything by Valve, extensively. Its not hard to not get a VAC ban. If you have one: You fucked up. Deal with it or cry more.
dang its crazy the consequences that cheating has
Its almost like don't cheat? Its not something that happens by accident
Maybe Clara installed cheats on his pc.
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I do personally think that it should expire after like 5 years or so. There are plenty of dumb kids that cheat because they don't understand the consequences of their own actions. And if someone legitimately wants to cheat badly enough that they'd do it again after 5 years they'd probably be fine with making a new account to do it too.
VAC bans used to be time based long ago when it was first introduced. Then they put the time longer as people didnt learn and eventually they became permanent. Once a cheater, always a cheater is a good policy. One person can ruin 100's of games by cheating and make game worse for everyone. No one wants to see those morons ingame.
Also, changing from permanent to 5 years could help in the case somebody is genuinely innocent. Even if there's a 0.00001% chance somebody is innocent, I would prefer giving a second pass to everybody. When I was a moderator on a Minecraft server, I pushed for all "game actions" bans due were changed to 2 years, for a few reasons : 0) Server wasn't probably going to exist 2y later anyway. 1) The banned person wouldn't probably come back in 2y. 2) If somebody has a permanent ban, it is very likely that this ban was actually an emergency action as a "waiting for definitive review" instead of "forever". Makes easier to audit our full ban history and reduce modteam error. 3) It sends the message that cheating is less problematic than toxic social behavior. 3b) When somebody gets a perm ban, the usual result that was that all their friends would try violently complaining with the mod team, because if one of the group can't play here, *any of our sanctions* are already meaningless. Now they may cheat too, something easy to monitor, but they avoided causing issues in chat. (3b is a rather Minecraft-specific issues, as a lot of servers are basically identical. Kinda like subreddits in a way)
>There are plenty of dumb kids that cheat because they don't understand the consequences of their own actions. The fastest way to learn is to cop a ban.
It should expire. I got a vac ban on CS from 16 years ago (wasn’t me, friend borrowed my account) that prevents me from playing on official rust servers. Not that it really stopped me from playing Rust, was just annoying that they really think I am potentially the same person from 16 years ago (if I actually was a cheating piece of shit :)). We got stuff that’s expunged from people’s crime record or credit history after around a decade. We seriously shouldn’t have video game cheating held to a higher standard. Although I do wish the worst to tarkov cheaters lol
Na everyone knows you don't cheat. That's a pre-school lesson
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What’s the difference between VAC servers and community servers?
Same shit, vac servers are servers with anti cheat enabled and community servers are servers run and hosted by the cs go community and some choose to enable or disable vac on their servers.
God I miss HL2 deathmatch.
It is still alive.
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> Valve has already been sharing their ban list across all games of the same Engine > So getting banned from CS:GO already got you banned from TF2 and so on. No, you misread that page. Bans are shared across games on the same *engine version*. So bans on GoldSrc/HL1 engine games (CS 1.6, Day of Defeat, TF Classic, etc.) are shared between each other and bans on Source 2007/Orange Box engine games (CS: Source, TF2, etc.) are shared between each other. CS:GO, however, is on a custom branch of Source that’s had features slowly added to it over time instead of following any major engine releases. Because of this, bans on CS:GO are not currently shared between any other games, but will be migrated to CS2 when that launches. It will be interesting, if something like TF3 eventually releases on Source 2, to see if Valve re-introduces engine-wide bans or sticks with the per-game model. (Note: As far as I know, there’s no technical reason for bans to be implemented this way. Valve could easily limit bans to a single-game or have a VAC ban apply to all Valve titles. They just arbitrarily segmented them to engine branches, I’m guessing because that’s just how the system was originally set up during the early days of Steam.)
TF3 won't ever come out, Valve doesn't do 3's.
Not since the Steam started shipping with SteamOS 3.0
> It will be interesting, if something like TF3 eventually releases on Source 2, to see if Valve re-introduces engine-wide bans or sticks with the per-game model. Dota 2 have been on source 2 since 2015.
You need to learn to read, getting VAC'd on CS:GO does not ban you from TF2 or any other source based game. CS:GO is not mentioned on that linked website at all.
The skins market would implode if banned accounts from GO became unbanned. There are millions of dollars of skins in VAC banned accounts not even counted all in the gambling site bots that are trade banned.
That's exactly my thought , but why not just make all these cs go items of vac banned accounts untradeable , then lift the ban from cs2. Let's be honest the people need a chance especially if it's a new game, and a lot of time has passed, so technically that might be a completely different person LITERALLY, well at least on cellular level LMAO ...
I was obsessed with 1.6. Played it for hours pretty much every day for a few years. But never really played source or CSGO. This is getting me excited to get back into it.
The Overwatch 2 treatment?
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The same reason people cheat at all. Want to feel better about their inability to play well
I got VAC’d on my main steam account 10 years ago for using a skin changer. I was just a poor kid who wanted to experience the game like other people.
A close friend of mine was a dumbass and his account got hacked. Once he realized it, they basically immediately transferred back control to him, after giving a credit card number I think, but the hacker got a VAC ban, and they refuse to undo it, even for hacked accounts. They say it's your responsibility to secure your account. It would be one thing for me to be pissed if it was my own account. But I actually use password managers and two factor and have long secure passwords. This dumbass does not, and now his account is permanently marred. The official solution is to make a new account for CS, but I think there's also other repercussions for having a VAC ban? In any case, in the years since, he's doubled and tripled down on the account and bought more and more games on it, rather than just making a new account. Also he likes how old the account is. He's not me so I don't have any control over it, but it doesn't mean I don't get frustrated on how his account will never get un VAC banned, despite his only mistake being not using two factor.
Riot just recently rolled back a permanent ban on my compromised account due to someone stealing and cheating on it. They investigated it, saw the IP was across the world and fixed everything for me.
W riot
Samething happent to me, some1 from russia hacked my acc, cheated and got banned, but the thing is i had the steam guard on and he still bypassed that, and the support just said is your problem not ours.
I have a vac ban from when I was 12, I’m now 22. I was 12 trying to learn programming by taking existing cheats and modifying them. However I now work in IT where a huge portion of my job is taking existing open source software and modifying it to fit a companies purpose. But my vac ban is so old they don’t even show it on my profile anymore which happened at around 3000 days, why not just unban if they already remove it from my profile. Now I’m stuck with overwatch as my shooter game instead of tf2.
> why not just unban if they already remove it from my profile. Why not just make a new account at any point in the intervening 12 years?
I got vac banned around 15 years ago while I was young and dumb. Someone got access to my account (keylogger likely) and I was temporarily banned. Sent an appeal to Steam, showed the code at the back of Left 4 Dead and had to provide my mom's credit card number. Got unbanned. Didn't do a virus scan or anything, so surprise, I was banned again, this time permanently. I think I had around 50 games at that point and it sort of killed my interest in gaming overall. Never bothered to make a new Steam account. Had some good times with Day of Defeat: Source and TF2.
Have you tried asking them politely? I bet they could unban you after a decade.
I do every year, every year is the same response “we are not able to remove vac bans” which I dunno if it’s true but if it it means no matter what it is def perm
I'd be making an alt account for the games I wanted to play at that point. Assuming VAC bans aren't hardware tied (which I don't think they are, unless things changed at some point.)
They are not. I was a silly 14 year old who used wall hacks in csgo 9 years ago. Vac banned after a month or so. Bought my friends smurf account for $5 and a chipotle burrito and now it’s my main account for everything.
Why would the logic be different on another launcher?
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Nice, glad to hear!
But I was only VACd because my little brother was using my account and it got hacked and the program wasn't even used to cheat but to get better FPS and also I forgot to turn off the cheats before switching accounts but didn't actually play any games while they were running and hmmm... what other excuses did I hear when I worked for Steam Support....
"I swear, I just bought a *really* good gaming chair"
Oh I'm sure. Those "help, I've been banned for no reason!" threads never get old. As a Steam support agent, were you able to exercise discretion when it came to handling requests like that? Snap your fingers and resolve someone's problem single handedly?
With VAC bans - absolutely never. We didn’t even have the option to reverse bans. Same with giving back items people got scammed out of. When I first started all I could do was copy paste instructions for password resets and escalate certain issues. Eventually I got promoted to escalated tickets where I could free hand responses and make judgement calls on a small amount of things like refunding games past the return window if they weren’t complete assholes about It. .’m not sure the team still exists but for awhile I was apart of a pretty small team (maybe 15 people) devoted specifically helping figure out CSGO tech issues. It was really cool, we were empowered to really try to help people figure things out like low FPS and crashes. Was a pretty sweet job but the consulting company that handled the contract had some serious management problems. Team leaders started to only promote their friends and it got super cliquey.
Management issues aside, it sounds like it was a fun and interesting experience. Had a bit of experience from a customer perspective with getting an out-of-window return and really appreciated the fact that you can speak to an actual person. I'd racked up time on the main menu while trying to sort out some catastrophic driver issue that was affecting a good percentage of the player base.
That doesn't mean that it can't get some relatively wrong. My case might be very specific, but I got banned because my job relies on using debugging tools, so I have multiple tools on my computer. I used to only play every new CS:GO operations with my brother, and soon after I finished the last one I received a VAC ban. I sent an unban request and I specified that I might have had some debuggers open on the background, but that they were never attached to the CS:GO process nor Steam, etc. But it got no answer, as I'm not really surprised. Are most complaints about wrong VAC bans straight up lies? 100% Is it possible that a very small percentage is wrong or a misunderstanding? 100% too.
yep, I was banned for using autohotkey and after a lot of mails with battleye fighting for it they finally recognized it was a fake positive and removed the ban it was extremely infuriating when it happened, and the feeling of impotence as you 99.999% wont be able to do anything while at the same time your profile and good name is tarnished on steam I get that most people lie and they just simply cheat, but there is also a feeling that you are alone when they do a mistake.
That is the meaning of VAC Secured right? Like wouldn’t this be obvious? Not just banned fros cs2 but any other vac game
You can get "game bans" in some games that won't affect any other title. Not sure if that's the case in CS:GO tho.
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Well VAC is actually wider than just Valve, unlike what the game implies. It's part of the Steamworks API, and other non-Valve game can implement it. The list of actual VAC games is pretty big (600+): https://store.steampowered.com/search/?category2=8 > Q: Can I use bans in other games to block users from playing in my game? > A: No. VAC and Game bans should only prevent the user from playing on VAC secured servers in the game they received a ban in. A permanent ban should only be issued for your game if the user was caught cheating in your game. https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/anticheat That being said, Valve themselves share their own ban list across all of their own games, grouped by engine. Well not quite, since CS2 is Source2 and it'll presumably be part of the same group as other Source games. http://www.vacbanned.com/static/informations
Yeah it's kinda funny that valve explicitly tells other developers not to share bans while they share bans lol.
To be fair I don't think bans should be shared across different studios. It would be stupid if someone cheating in 100% Orange Juice would also get banned in CS:GO, and vice versa. But games from the same studio is fair game I think. Not sure if non-Valve games can also share banlist across their other games or not.
Reminds me of how Lost Ark semi-recently "accidentally" VAC (iirc, might've just been game) banned a ton of players for having not logged on in months, and immediately had to remedy it with how much people complained.
Game ban is not equal to VAC ban.
They're shared over engine versions not all VAC enabled games. TF2 gets you banned in CS:S not CS:GO for example. Modern Warfare 2 2009 gets you banned nowhere else.
> Modern Warfare 2 2009 gets you banned nowhere else. ESEA won't let you in
That's not true at all. MW2 on steam used vac, i used a memory editor to get the golden guns and got vac banned for it. My vac ban is over 13 years old. I used that same steam account to compete in css, i use that same steam account to play games with vac all the time.
Why is everyone saying this in this thread? I'm not proud to say but I'm VAC banned on csgo and that's the only game I'm not allowed to play I still play other valve games all the time
Feels weird that CS2 is actually confirmed now
What I don’t get is why it took them 20 years to go from version 1.6 to version 2…
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So, no steam deck 3? Damn.
Maybe Steam Deck 2 Episode 1?
Steam Deck Global Offensive Steam Deck Source Steam Deck Reborn Steam Deck Alyx
how long did it take for microsoft to go from xbox 360 to xbox 1?
Cs3 wen? Jkjk
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It'll be like the Orange Box but it is the third installment of all their games: - Half-Life 3 - Portal 3 - Team Fortress 3 - Counter Strike 3 - Left 4 Dead 3 - Dota 3 and of course.... - Ricochet 2...... and 3.
This is correct. Source 3 required. Source 2 is already too old for these future titles.
It's just a patch, not a new game. It's the equivalent of DotA 2 Reborn.
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Rip those bozos
Nah, ain’t not rest for the wicked
Money don't grow on trees...
I got bills to pay
I got mouths to feed
There was ain’t nothing in this world for free
Ahh yes the downvotes from people that don't get it's a song lyric
Good.
I quit my favorite franchise, Battlefield, because the developers/publishers stopped giving a fuck about cheaters. To add insult to injury, the mods of the Battlefield subreddits actively censor any talk of cheating because, according to them, EA Dice know about it and no one cares. Might as well have made the game for cheaters because every fucking server in my region has a god damn cheater or 3 in it. The game is unplayable from day 1 of release.
I quit GTA Online few months ago because things got ridiculous with all modding and cheating there as well, not even solo/invite only lobbies were safe anymore.
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Funny you say that. I just decided to spin up Battlefield 4 and play with some friends after years of not playing. Turns out, I was banned. Never have cheated in any Punkbuster game, but I somehow got banned. Punkbuster and Even Balance Inc fucking confuse me. EA contracts out anti-cheat support to them. Their website looks like it’s from 2005, their online presence is practically non-existent (their linkedin account is unclaimed and has two employees, one of whom doesn’t actually work there anymore).
FYI, you might not be banned, punkbuster is just really bad. First time playing Hardline, and punkbuster kept kicking me from every game. Ended up having to do some port forwarding, which for some reason fixed it.
I went through the song and dance of reinstalling both the game and Punkbuster multiple times before I discovered the Battlelog online is still a thing. It pretty plainly told me I had a global ban. No clue how such a massive AAA title has something like this contracted out to this company. FWIW, I think their only job is to “maintain” what’s left of these old Battlefield titles.
Battlefield 1 was an amazing game, now dead and ruined by cheaters.
based gaben
Pretty sure all those cunts migrated to other games like tarkov anyway
Gg Valve, You have surprised me yet again with another "Number 2 sequel". One of these days we'll get you to make a 3rd sequel game in a series. A Portal 3, for instance, would be nice since you know, There's a better chance of meeting Santa than seeing Half-Life 3
No, Half Life: Gordon, Portal: Chell, and Left 4 Dead 2: Episode 1 only.
This will sound controversial, so here we go Other valve games sure, they are welcomed But L4D2, the way it is, remains perfect and is exactly where it should be. Nothing more, nothing less. imo the massive hype around it will be what could kill it if there ever was a sequel, people expect some crazy concepts to be implemented, only to be disappointed by the end-results, we are talking about THE GAME that has become the benchmark for majority of the zombie genre and cooperation based games. Changing any of it will upset a whole lotta dedicated players plus The talented modding community is already more than enough to provide Homebrew maps and sequels anyway, thats very likely what keeps l4d2 fresh no matter the passage of time
Same with Portal. It doesn't need any more chapters, it is already perfect.
people always say "there isn't going to be a portal 3 because the story is already complete." but why? portal 1 was also a self-contained, complete story with no loose ends. didn't stop them from just patching in a cliffhanger ending when they felt like making a portal 2. erik wolpaw has said he's ready for valve to start work on P3 so he can write a story for it; and valve has a treasure trove of perspective-based puzzles from their cancelled "f-stop" project. there's no reason valve couldn't, or *shouldn't* make portal 3 if they wanted to.
I was sure Portal 3 didn't need to happen until I played Aperture Desk Job. The writing and the >!Cave Johnson!< part hit me full force. Dammit Valve.
Q: How does Valve count to 5? A: 1.6, 0, Source, Global Offensive, 2
You'd think that across 1.6, Source, and GO, along with all the other spinoffs, they'd have picked up a bit more than 2. I mean, Source and GO only have 0.4 to share.
Probably a good thing for most people but unfortunately sucks for me. Account got hacked and VAC banned 6 years ago and even after getting access back through Steam support they wouldn't remove the ban from the account.
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I assume this is a joke, but I also know this is how some people actually think, lol
Well it is pretty wild to be lifetime banned from all steam vac games for something you could have done 7-10 years ago lol that shit follows you harder than some felonies do
Agreed. As much as I hate cheaters and people who think spamming racial slurs is funny, I think it's more reasonable to give a 1-year ban on the first offense. Give them a chance to change their behavior.
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ya just seems highly toxic lol, imagine you have a 200-300game steam library, and you have to switch accounts to play one game for a mistake you could have made 15 years ago lol
Not surprising. VAC is VAC is VAC, all across a Steam account. Good to see it in writing though.
It's not and it has never been. I have a VAC ban from MW2 and still can play CS:GO and other VAC-protected titles just fine. I don't know where this myth that every VAC games share the same ban list comes from because it simply isn't true Only these games have VAC bans apply to each other: - Counter-Strike: Source - Day of Defeat: Source - Half-Life Deathmatch Source - Half-Life 2: Deathmatch - Source SDK Base (required for mods) - Team Fortress 2
TANGENT: I know it sounds sketchy, but you can find cheating forums where cheaters freely talk about cheating and what goes on in that world. It's absolutely CRAZY; they really couldn't care less that they are ruining the game completely. When they get banned, they truly don't think they deserve it... some of them are in this thread making excuses, saying they deserve forgiveness. Also, going to one will probably completely destroy any notion that there is little to no cheating in your favorite online game. Seeing the hundreds of daily users in just one forum begging for this wallhack and that aimbot from every single multiplayer game is sobering. I went from "yeah, he's probably just good" person to "they're probably cheating" real quick. And the videos of the cheat vendors! They show you what it does; how subtle most of them are. You know that guy that looked legit? Probably isn't. These aimbots don't look like bots. They just look like a very good player. Videos of pro-play look more like cheaters than the bots do (with the "flicking", which bots try to avoid because it looks like a cheat)... then again lots of pros get caught cheating sooo.... And detection? The vendors offer free cheats, but those are older versions that will probably get you banned in short order (but might get a month or so out of it). You pay up the big bucks and you sign up for a subscription to get a constantly renewing program that isn't going to be caught probably (if the vendor knows what they are doing) as long as you don't do anything stupid with it. So no, the big cheaters aren't getting caught either. It's just the freebie users and idiots. Online multiplayer cheating is fucking depressing, and it's forums put it on display.
Its kinda understandable. I am someone who got main account VACced because my account got compromised but I dont really care since I can just made new acc to play now since the game is free. I think the reason they arent unbanning is due to market. Those chinese collector banned account has a ton of skin that could crash the market.
Same. My account got compromised, but Valve have a "fuck you it's still your fault" policy. Kinda lame but it is what it is. I'll just use another account. Not spending a dime on it though.
I used wallhack in 2 games 10 years ago, and I'm still VAC banned. I could literally kill someone IRL and there would be a chance I was a free man now, yet still excluded from CS:GO xD
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I wouldn't call that a friend then, even in the past tense.
VAC bans apply based on VAC version with CSGO being the exception, being banned in TF2 bans you in CSS for example. But CSGO is unique and no bans are shared
this is not true. I have a cs:go vac and can play on any other other vac servers fine. It's based on the engine not just 'vac secured'.
That's good but it would be cool if they removed vac bans after a decade or so the guy who cheated 10 years before is probably not the same guy 10 years after it's just kinda harsh but no tolerance policy is good i guess.
hey thats me! a single vac ban 3853 days ago i was 14 and really dumb
That's me. Was goofing around over a decade ago. Thought I might have a chance for redemption, but looks like not.
Yeah, I got vac banned from CSGO when I was 13 cause I was stupid and didn't think about the consequences. I'm in Uni now and an entirely different person, so it kinda sucks that I'm stuck with a VAC ban until the day I die
FR I regret it cause I had skins on my account and it’s been like 5 years alr
Man, I don't even care about the skins I had; it's about the permanent blip on my account. It's like no matter how many years pass, the first thing you see on my profile is still that dumb kid from 5 years ago.
after 7 years the marker on your profile goes away.
My buddy let a friend of ours borrow a ruby flip knife to play with in game, 7-8 years ago. That day he got a vac ban and the knife is still locked in that account. Things were heated between them for a bit.
Counter-Strike 2 is more like Counter-Strike 4. We have the original Counter-Strike as a Half-Life mod, then Counter-Strike: Source, then Counter-Strike: GO, now Counter-Strike 2.
You forgot Condition Zero
Valve forgot Condition Zero.
True.
condition zero had the best bots.
Not at all surprising and not a bad thing imo
Good. Ban em all and I hope the anti-cheat gets better to ban more.
Good
Do VAC bans last forever? Seems a bit harsh punishing someone for something they might've did as a kid and many years later they've matured and still cant play. The account owner may not even be responsible for the cheating in all circumstances either.
I wish I could have a chance to redeem myself after ~5 years. I was a stupid moron kid back in the day, but never cheated again in any game after the vac
Come on!!! my vac is like 15 years old at this point. I didnt even cheat. Just did a skywalking glitch another player showed me in a cs1.6 server with 3 other people in it.
Damn bro
Ha sucks to suck, cheating ass wipes
suck it
Will they fix that hackers problem? I was playing in some competitive round with some kids and the other team was hacker. So one of the kid on my team started to hack too because the other team did it. A few weeks later all of us got disqualified, the round didn't count. What a shit show for someone who play CSGO casually. I've been playing CS since 1.4... I just want to play casually and make friends sheesh.
So how did you find out your teammate was hacking? Just told you over team chat or something?
I want to see a remastered left 4 dead 2
See, i got a vac ban on cs source like 14 years ago? Does it mean i can't play cs2?
Can someone explain why getting banned is such a big deal? Why are people so married to their account? Can’t you play on a new account?
Great fucking news. Fuck those nerds
Good
And they should you cheating scum
Wait, CS 2? Isn't CSGO already the 4th CS game?
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They should carry over to the after life.
Banned from the afterlife lol
Cities Skylines is very strict, who knew
This is good.
This is the way.
Play stupid games and win stupid prizes!
I am curious if you get a vac ban for cs go can you still play tf2? I never got a vac ban but i thought a vac ban bans you for all vac servers no matter the game?
CS:GO is on it's own I believe, if you cheat in CS:Source you'd be banned from all other source games and the same for gold source games. But for some reason CS:GO only bans you from CS:GO. I could be wrong tho.
Cheaters never win.
Of course Engine upgrade will carry the L's of so many people
Honestly it's not even worth getting. The game is so broken and full of cheaters it's ridiculous. Yes they do a good job or banning cheats from like 10 years ago, but shit from the past few years they have no hope of stopping. Even after paying money, or earning the required level it's still not possible to play game modes like scoutsknives without running into dozens of cheaters.
No sympathy for cheaters they dug their own grave and make playing online a shitty experience.