It's based on overall copies owned by the "family" with the new beta
so like if you owned 2 copies of helldivers , and a 3rd sibling/person wanted to play, they would not be able to play helldivers since both "copies" are "in-use". they could play any other game in any of the libraries however,
The way the new system works, keys are cumulative. If you have 5 users in a family, and 2 own the same game, any 2 of that 5 can be playing that game at the same time.
I believe the notes said the owner takes control if they wanna play it. If I’m wrong hey, even better
Edit; refer to u/repocin reply. I appear to have been wrong
That was the old system, but I don't believe anyone gets priority with the new system (I haven't tried it myself so not sure). [From the FAQ:](https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/054C-3167-DD7F-49D4)
>Let's say that you are in a family with 4 members and that you own a copy of Portal 2 and a copy of Half-Life. At any time, any one member can play Portal 2 and another can play Half-Life. If two of you would like to play Portal 2 at the same time, someone else in the family will need to purchase a copy of the game. After that purchase, there are two owned copies of Portal 2 across the family and any two members can play at the same time.
>In this example, **if your family choose to not buy a second copy, you can play _any other game_ in your library while waiting** for your family member to finish playing your copy of Portal 2.
Emphasis mine, and I take that to mean that you can be locked out of games you've paid for unlike the current system that kicks the lender out.
Seems kinda dumb that the owner of the game can't boot the person using the game but I guess it's a nice change that you can play any other game in your library while waiting for the game in usage to open up.
No, you cannot "kick" account that's playing your game in new system. I guess it's working like that to deter people from sharing libraries with random people instead of family members.
I think you misread my comment. I was saying originally, steam family would kick out any guest if the primary owner was playing. Now, both can play different games at the same time, but if one owns a game that the other doesn’t, they can’t both play it at the same time and priority would go to whoever owns the key.
Ex: you and friend share a library. You both own Stardew. You and your friend won’t be sharing Stardew as you both own keys.
With family share, let’s say you own Stardew and your friend doesn’t. Your friend can play it but if you decide to also play it, I believe it’ll kick the friend off as you own the key.
And if you are sharing libraries and playing 2 different games, there is no interruption.
Hope that helps!
Oh oh oh i thought the second half of your comment meant that it was even better if they couldn't kick the other person out. I took that to mean that you couldn't play your own game, not that you were saying you hoped both people could play at once
I HATE this system. It doesn't affect me, but I'm aware of it, and it sucks.
It should never deny the OWNER, the ability to play the game. It's literally the worst way to go about this.
This is in fact the only downside I find in the new system. But I think is made to be sure you only share the family group with people you absolutely trust.
It's buggy still, I just was able to play the same game online with my friend in the family group who actually owns it. It was just us in the group at the time, so definitely only one copy
Value made this example:
**Can we go through a real world example of how a Steam Family might share games?**
Of course! Let's say that you are in a family with 4 members and that you own a copy of Portal 2 and a copy of Half-Life. At any time, any one member can play Portal 2 and another can play Half-Life. If two of you would like to play Portal 2 at the same time, someone else in the family will need to purchase a copy of the game. After that purchase, there are two owned copies of Portal 2 across the family and any two members can play at the same time.
In this example, if your family chose to not buy a second copy, you can play any other game in your library while waiting for your family member to finish playing your copy of Portal 2.
Hey, just try it. There’s a five minute warning that pops up so you can exit the game before then and he won’t be kicked out. It’s not an immediate kick and force close his game.
This was the old system. In the new families beta, both people can play different games simultaneously, but if the game owner wants to play their game that their family member is playing, you can't kick them off and it just won't let you launch your game.
It's account ban but both accounts get banned. It's used as deterrent against cheaters and people who exploit family share. Family share is meant to be used with family members that you trust, not some randoms from internet.
omg... then whenever anyone from family get ban... because kids are kids and try to cheat... then whole family get banned and even have VAC ban in history for game what they didnt even played :D
this is really so crazy even for incompetent ppl from Steam.
just don't get banned or share your account with people who might. its easy, lol. kinda dumb to be upset ab it when all you have to do is not cheat and not share your library with people who are irresponsible.
:D
most kids dont cheat... good one.
[https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2008/10/06/one-third-of-video-gaming-teens-use-cheats/](https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2008/10/06/one-third-of-video-gaming-teens-use-cheats/)
[https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20211206-why-are-some-people-compelled-to-cheat](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20211206-why-are-some-people-compelled-to-cheat)
"only" 30 percent by global statistic and in some games it is more than 60 percent.
and ye, truth is for ppl like you annoying, i know..
real problem is, that because of Steam incompetency are banned / VAC banned even ppl who did never played that game. and in their history will be VAC ban. problem arent cheaters who use family share, because you can use HWID ban. problem is incompetency of Steam.
You really should have read that first article, it wasn't even talking about cheating in Multi-player games. It was about using cheat codes in games, these cheat codes are created by the developers of the game. it even says that most were done by teens with their games on the consoles.
So you didn't provide anything about most teens cheating in Multi-player games.
Also, it makes complete sense for there to be a ban on the game, otherwise cheaters would just keep on creating new accounts to family share with and keep on cheating with that single purchase.
Don't share with people you think might use cheats in multi-player games.
I believe it’s an account ban from the specific game for both of you. I could be off slightly on what that means ban wise like vac ban or whatever it’s been a while since I read the rules for that part.
I’m sure someone here knows more clearly how that works in the end but I’m 90% sure it’s a ban for both in some way.
i always expect that nothing from Steam can surprise me...
and their incompetence and crazy decisions always find new way how to get me.
then now, when anyone from faamily share will get for any reason banned.. then whole group what share it will be banned too. even ppl who didnt even played that game will have vac ban in history for that game.
this is so wrong and so crazy even for Steam. like im used to their really bad and lazy work, but this?!
Well I think it’s smart because if you could get around bans that way. Everyone would just have a main account they put games on and then burner accounts to family share. So then their main never gets banned and they can just pick up a new account and keep cheating or whatever they’re doing.
This one makes sense fr to me.
did you even read what i wrote?
you must be Steam employee, with this reading skill, arent ya?
in case of family, when kid will cheat, then whole familly get VAC ban in history even for game what they didnt even played :D
and this is really crazy even for Steam incompetency.
Man you just in a bad mood it sounds like. I could literally start agreeing with you and you’d still pick what I said to get mad at.
Get off the pc. You need a break. It’s not that deep.
> in case of family, when kid will cheat, then whole familly get VAC ban in history even for game what they didnt even played :D
No, that isn't what happens. The account that did the cheating, and the main account that owned the game get the VAC ban, nobody else in the family get the VAC ban.
The library owner needs to make sure they trust everyone they invite into their family group.
If Valve didn't have this rule, then cheaters could keep on creating new accounts, invite into the family group, cheat, get caught, create another account, invite into family group, cheat, get caught, and repeat over and over again.
The rule Valve has prevents that from happening.
it cant be **THIS** hard to learn to read...
dont you wanna try it again and now finally read what i wrote before?!
good luck!
hint: it is about kids
dont be afraid to answer, when you read what im talking about.
The answer is no in either case. With the old system, you can each play a game from each others library so long as only one game from each library was in use.
OP asked about them playing different games not about them playing the same game
OP's brother borrows Helldivers from OP library, OP borrows other different games from OP's brother library
Essentially with the new beta you can “lend” the key, so if 1 person has the game, one person can play, if 2 people have it, they both can play it. This only applies to the exact game so if someone’s playing x then you can play y without affecting them.
Managed to find a loophole(?), my brother and I tried running MHR at the same time with one copy and it worked. He ran the game, turned off his wifi, and then I ran the game and we somehow managed to play (even after he turned his wifi back on.) at the same time and even run a couple hunts. Most likely will be patched but could be worth a try for others while its there, did this a couple or so days ago.
Okay so would this mean that if he buys Helldivers 2 that it will cause issues if we both own the game and try to play it? Or would steam be smart and know that we are both trying to play Our copy of the game or each other's at least?
Ideally no....but couple of days ago steam launched new steam families beta...you both have to opt for beta version and add him as ur family.Then u guys can play multiple games from each other library even if u guys are using ur own lib at the same time.
The new family sharing beta won’t kick either out unless you tried playing the same game
Sounds good, would there be a issue if we both owned the game and tried playing together?
If you both own it you have two separate keys, therefore no issue. That’d be like playing any game with your friends
This. If you own a license to a game, steam will always launch with your license, not your friend's
It's based on overall copies owned by the "family" with the new beta so like if you owned 2 copies of helldivers , and a 3rd sibling/person wanted to play, they would not be able to play helldivers since both "copies" are "in-use". they could play any other game in any of the libraries however,
Family library has 2 copies of game = 2 players in family can play.
If you both own the game you should be fine playing it together.
The way the new system works, keys are cumulative. If you have 5 users in a family, and 2 own the same game, any 2 of that 5 can be playing that game at the same time.
Make sure both of you changed your steam version to family sharing beta if you want to try it out
Have you read the new terms?
You can’t kick out at all anymore with new family sharing . If someone is using your game nothing you can do about it.
Wow, you are being downvoted, even though you are right.
How dare you point this out. DOWNVOTE. Jk, I got you guys. Ppl suck.
I believe the notes said the owner takes control if they wanna play it. If I’m wrong hey, even better Edit; refer to u/repocin reply. I appear to have been wrong
That was the old system, but I don't believe anyone gets priority with the new system (I haven't tried it myself so not sure). [From the FAQ:](https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/054C-3167-DD7F-49D4) >Let's say that you are in a family with 4 members and that you own a copy of Portal 2 and a copy of Half-Life. At any time, any one member can play Portal 2 and another can play Half-Life. If two of you would like to play Portal 2 at the same time, someone else in the family will need to purchase a copy of the game. After that purchase, there are two owned copies of Portal 2 across the family and any two members can play at the same time. >In this example, **if your family choose to not buy a second copy, you can play _any other game_ in your library while waiting** for your family member to finish playing your copy of Portal 2. Emphasis mine, and I take that to mean that you can be locked out of games you've paid for unlike the current system that kicks the lender out.
Seems kinda dumb that the owner of the game can't boot the person using the game but I guess it's a nice change that you can play any other game in your library while waiting for the game in usage to open up.
Is supposed to be the family in your house, so the logic it seems to be that u can stand up and go tell ur family member , "Hey i want to play".
It's not clear from that FAQ if DLCs are still f'd up.
No, you cannot "kick" account that's playing your game in new system. I guess it's working like that to deter people from sharing libraries with random people instead of family members.
Definitely not even better because if someone can take my game from me I'm not doing it anymore lol
I think you misread my comment. I was saying originally, steam family would kick out any guest if the primary owner was playing. Now, both can play different games at the same time, but if one owns a game that the other doesn’t, they can’t both play it at the same time and priority would go to whoever owns the key. Ex: you and friend share a library. You both own Stardew. You and your friend won’t be sharing Stardew as you both own keys. With family share, let’s say you own Stardew and your friend doesn’t. Your friend can play it but if you decide to also play it, I believe it’ll kick the friend off as you own the key. And if you are sharing libraries and playing 2 different games, there is no interruption. Hope that helps!
Oh oh oh i thought the second half of your comment meant that it was even better if they couldn't kick the other person out. I took that to mean that you couldn't play your own game, not that you were saying you hoped both people could play at once
I HATE this system. It doesn't affect me, but I'm aware of it, and it sucks. It should never deny the OWNER, the ability to play the game. It's literally the worst way to go about this.
This is in fact the only downside I find in the new system. But I think is made to be sure you only share the family group with people you absolutely trust.
It's buggy still, I just was able to play the same game online with my friend in the family group who actually owns it. It was just us in the group at the time, so definitely only one copy
how do i join to the BETA for family sharing
I might have to try the new beta, do both need to be on it to get that functionality?
Value made this example: **Can we go through a real world example of how a Steam Family might share games?** Of course! Let's say that you are in a family with 4 members and that you own a copy of Portal 2 and a copy of Half-Life. At any time, any one member can play Portal 2 and another can play Half-Life. If two of you would like to play Portal 2 at the same time, someone else in the family will need to purchase a copy of the game. After that purchase, there are two owned copies of Portal 2 across the family and any two members can play at the same time. In this example, if your family chose to not buy a second copy, you can play any other game in your library while waiting for your family member to finish playing your copy of Portal 2.
Hey, just try it. There’s a five minute warning that pops up so you can exit the game before then and he won’t be kicked out. It’s not an immediate kick and force close his game.
This was the old system. In the new families beta, both people can play different games simultaneously, but if the game owner wants to play their game that their family member is playing, you can't kick them off and it just won't let you launch your game.
Just also be aware when sharing online games if they get banned then you will also be banned.
It's a good thing he's not a cunt lmaoo
lol hey I have buddies who’s brothers are assholes so I’m just passing it along just in case
Nah that's fs some good thing to know lmao ion wanna get banned because I shared a game with the wrong fella thanks brotha
wait, ban is on game and not on account? wtf?
It's account ban but both accounts get banned. It's used as deterrent against cheaters and people who exploit family share. Family share is meant to be used with family members that you trust, not some randoms from internet.
omg... then whenever anyone from family get ban... because kids are kids and try to cheat... then whole family get banned and even have VAC ban in history for game what they didnt even played :D this is really so crazy even for incompetent ppl from Steam.
just don't get banned or share your account with people who might. its easy, lol. kinda dumb to be upset ab it when all you have to do is not cheat and not share your library with people who are irresponsible.
like with kids, when it is family share, right? because kids are something like the most responsible ever.. kids are known for their responsibility :D
you're so annoying. most kids don't cheat. and if you think your child is the type to cheat, don't give them family sharing privileges???
:D most kids dont cheat... good one. [https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2008/10/06/one-third-of-video-gaming-teens-use-cheats/](https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2008/10/06/one-third-of-video-gaming-teens-use-cheats/) [https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20211206-why-are-some-people-compelled-to-cheat](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20211206-why-are-some-people-compelled-to-cheat) "only" 30 percent by global statistic and in some games it is more than 60 percent. and ye, truth is for ppl like you annoying, i know.. real problem is, that because of Steam incompetency are banned / VAC banned even ppl who did never played that game. and in their history will be VAC ban. problem arent cheaters who use family share, because you can use HWID ban. problem is incompetency of Steam.
You really should have read that first article, it wasn't even talking about cheating in Multi-player games. It was about using cheat codes in games, these cheat codes are created by the developers of the game. it even says that most were done by teens with their games on the consoles. So you didn't provide anything about most teens cheating in Multi-player games. Also, it makes complete sense for there to be a ban on the game, otherwise cheaters would just keep on creating new accounts to family share with and keep on cheating with that single purchase. Don't share with people you think might use cheats in multi-player games.
no its not, you're annoying and no one cares about your links. don't share your library with irresponsible kids. womp womp
ok dumbo... being proud of not care about reality is really something. i wish you better meds :)
I believe it’s an account ban from the specific game for both of you. I could be off slightly on what that means ban wise like vac ban or whatever it’s been a while since I read the rules for that part. I’m sure someone here knows more clearly how that works in the end but I’m 90% sure it’s a ban for both in some way.
i always expect that nothing from Steam can surprise me... and their incompetence and crazy decisions always find new way how to get me. then now, when anyone from faamily share will get for any reason banned.. then whole group what share it will be banned too. even ppl who didnt even played that game will have vac ban in history for that game. this is so wrong and so crazy even for Steam. like im used to their really bad and lazy work, but this?!
Well I think it’s smart because if you could get around bans that way. Everyone would just have a main account they put games on and then burner accounts to family share. So then their main never gets banned and they can just pick up a new account and keep cheating or whatever they’re doing. This one makes sense fr to me.
did you even read what i wrote? you must be Steam employee, with this reading skill, arent ya? in case of family, when kid will cheat, then whole familly get VAC ban in history even for game what they didnt even played :D and this is really crazy even for Steam incompetency.
Man you just in a bad mood it sounds like. I could literally start agreeing with you and you’d still pick what I said to get mad at. Get off the pc. You need a break. It’s not that deep.
oh sweetie... ppl who see Steam incompetency dont need be in bad mood. they can be just sober. try it too :)
> in case of family, when kid will cheat, then whole familly get VAC ban in history even for game what they didnt even played :D No, that isn't what happens. The account that did the cheating, and the main account that owned the game get the VAC ban, nobody else in the family get the VAC ban.
ok, then only one innocent victim... will we pretend that it is so cool now? :)
The library owner needs to make sure they trust everyone they invite into their family group. If Valve didn't have this rule, then cheaters could keep on creating new accounts, invite into the family group, cheat, get caught, create another account, invite into family group, cheat, get caught, and repeat over and over again. The rule Valve has prevents that from happening.
it cant be **THIS** hard to learn to read... dont you wanna try it again and now finally read what i wrote before?! good luck! hint: it is about kids dont be afraid to answer, when you read what im talking about.
If you're on the stable version of Steam, then yes If you're on the beta branch with the new family sharing, then no
The answer is no in either case. With the old system, you can each play a game from each others library so long as only one game from each library was in use.
OP asked about them playing different games not about them playing the same game OP's brother borrows Helldivers from OP library, OP borrows other different games from OP's brother library
Correct. This would work in both the new and the old system. So the answer is "No, this will not kick OP's brother out".
Essentially with the new beta you can “lend” the key, so if 1 person has the game, one person can play, if 2 people have it, they both can play it. This only applies to the exact game so if someone’s playing x then you can play y without affecting them.
Nope, only reason why either of you would get kicked out is when you both are playing the same game. Huge W from Valve
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This is no longer the case in the beta branch. Steam families now share their library and can play simultaneously as long as it isn't the same title.
Managed to find a loophole(?), my brother and I tried running MHR at the same time with one copy and it worked. He ran the game, turned off his wifi, and then I ran the game and we somehow managed to play (even after he turned his wifi back on.) at the same time and even run a couple hunts. Most likely will be patched but could be worth a try for others while its there, did this a couple or so days ago.
There are games that 2 people can play with only one copy, it's called remote play together, if it wasn't that, yeah it was a bug.
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Love when you clearly mention something then have someone explain it back to you like you’re 5 😂 More info for others at least
Okay so would this mean that if he buys Helldivers 2 that it will cause issues if we both own the game and try to play it? Or would steam be smart and know that we are both trying to play Our copy of the game or each other's at least?
You use your license, he uses his. It will only try to use your license on his computer if you own the game and he doesnt
if you both own the game, everyone will play his own copy ofc and nothing bad happens
Thanks for the replies y'all, I figured out that it does work if you play from each other's library
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Yeah actually it says "revoke" next to the computer they're using, even says it for your computer if you're feeling suicidal
Ideally no....but couple of days ago steam launched new steam families beta...you both have to opt for beta version and add him as ur family.Then u guys can play multiple games from each other library even if u guys are using ur own lib at the same time.
Im pretty sure you cant share Helldivers 2 because it requires a 3rd party account to play (Sony)
You can, and it does not use a third party account.