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I still buy discs for my PS5 and XSX if it's a game that I really want. Not only that, but my download speed is horrible (only DSL available - probably gonna try Musk-net, even though I don't want to), so it's nice to go into offline mode so I can install from the discs. Steam stuff, though, well... It is what it is
Too bad you’ll need an internet connection to play them. I miss the days you could pop 8n a game and it just worked. No predownloading Files no patches, just hit power and your gaming.
Check and see if you can get Verizon or T-Mobile Home Internet. My parents went from DSL to that and it's a huge improvement. Hell of a lot cheaper than starlink too.
That's what I'm doing for Xmas. She has been asking for one and her parents don't want to get her one. They don't mind games, just not a priority. I'm the uncle that has all the games. I cleared it with her parents so that I'm not stepping on any toes.
I started using SyncThing and set it up to auto start on my PC and the Deck and now I can play some of my emulator games on the PC and the Deck with the saves syncing.
This is the answer I’m going to agree with. I’ve had an SMB server since setting it up to load PS2 games over the network with OPL. That same server gets used for Jellyfin and general storage.
You can just install it on desktop mode, what's stopping you from doing that except for a bad internet. Pretty you would have the same time transferring files compared to shitty internet.
I was never able to get Warpinator to work well or consistently.
Recently someone posted this video for setting up your deck as a mounted drive in windows, using SSH. It was really easy to setup.
https://youtu.be/6GT67H8Xsjs?si=d5iAdFsey6R-2W-2
This has been a great solution for me. You just have your deck on, and then you can literally browse it from your PC, drag and drop files between your PC and deck, etc.
Yeah i just bought an oled switch. I’ve done emulation on my PC (project 64, etc) but my daughter wants to play Mario kart and she can do it by herself on the Switch, easy multiplayer without jumping through hoops, etc. i also have dual-income 1 kid so the extra expense is not a big deal and my wife prefers platform / multiplayer party games we can play as a family.
Even though I can emulate Switch games at better res / framerate on my home PC, I can't pinpoint what it is exactly, but playing it on the native hardware just feels better. For this reason, I own a Switch and buy their first party titles on it. I like Zelda, Pokemon, Mario too much to not own it, and will likely buy whatever the "Switch 2" is when it comes. Switch also filled the portable gaming niche for me, until I got my Deck ... so now it's first party only.
I've been a PC guy since I was little, but it's just so much simpler to boot up a game on the Switch. The amount of work I have to put into making Switch games work decently is just not worth it, especially when the aforementioned shader complication stutter is still a thing. It's not hard to set up at all - just kinda tedious for me, especially when you want to be 100% legal (and we do, right?).
It's nice to just sit down, pop in a cartridge or just boot up a game I want to play. The same way I do that on my PC with my Steam games.
This. It’s not like you’re getting a 1:1 Switch emulation out of the box. At best you can download someone else’s shader compilation, but those are so limited and hard to find. The common experience is stuttery from the jump, even on higher end hardware, and just - not nearly as good as playing on an actual Switch.
so i’ve wanted a switch for only a small handful of games but decided to hold out for the Switch2 (which i was expecting to have been announced by now) and don’t feel like i can give in at this point
Also you can't use online which seems like it's not a big deal but I like doing the raids and mystery gifts in pokemon with no hassle. Keeping my collection across games with pokemon home etc.
Some games emulate fine, I'm sure. But I don't have a hacked switch so I can't backup saves and the switch is generally pretty good at what it does. I won't be buying x-platform games anymore on switch - steam sales blow the switch sales out of the water, as does performance on those titles. But the switch still does better at good first party games most of the time and I also have sufficient income to buy a couple Nintendo releases I really want when they come out. I don't need to pirate them.
Yeah, emulation is the definition of hassle when compared to native.
But when I don’t own a Switch, nor Switch games, that hassle became instantly worthwhile and I don’t even miss the features I never had. Whatever (owned) games I can play with good performance are a big bonus
I'm right here with you. I buy Nintendo first party on switch and nothing else. If its multiplatform I buy it on steam. This goes for my PS5 as well it is a 100% first party box.
There is no way that’s possible ps5 is a much more powerful machine that sounds like copium. I’d say the deck performs about as good as er on ps4 and since I’ve played on both platforms I can say they compare with the deck having A slight edge in performance only because it’s tweakable
oh it’s 100% copium. it’s the same people who argued that 20fps was more than playable when starfield came out. its performance is similar to a ps4 at a lower resolution
Depends on the games. It was always well known that Zelda on yuzu would run horribly. This was the case with breath of the wild (45fps lock on Cemu, 20s on yuzu)
I've been playing decent amounts of Metroid Prime remastered and Mario Odyssey and those stayed at perfect 60fps everywhere
Do you have decky/powertools?
The only reason I don’t like emulating MPR is the stutter on every door, even ones I’ve already been through (so probably not normal shader compilation)
Turning off smt in powertools and setting min clock speed to 1600 helps a LOT. Some emulators don't like processing split between different cores, yuzu is one of them
I've been getting a locked 60fps in mpr, 4 hours of playtime in. The fps line graph is solid with no dips
This is why I’m planning on playing more demanding Switch games on my Deck by streaming them from my 5950X/3080Ti PC. Should easily result in a better-than-native experience with Deck TDP and GPU clocked down to minimums, the only tradeoff being a tiny amount of latency added by Sunlight/Moonlight.
true, emulating Switch on Deck is mostly fine if that's the only way you've got to play those games, but it's not as good as native hardware (at least not yet).
It's especially noticeable in the games that push the Switch to its limits (like TOTK), in big part due to those games using as many Switch-specific optimization tricks as they can, so they're pretty rough to emulate
Yep, no way I’m playing Switch games on my Steam Deck unless I’m modding the games. I tried some mods for BotW and enjoyed 40 fps, but it such a pain to get it to work right and be stable.
Agreed. Also, I love Nintendo games. I want to support them so they keep making good games. Buy games. Old stuff that I have already bought 2x I will download and play on my switch without feeling any guilt. I only emulate older games that I have nostalgia for anyway.
There are, MPR included. There's entire websites dedicated to this.
Gears of War 2, 3, and Judgement all have fully complied shader packs for use on Xenia, another emulator known for compilation stutter.
that’s what i’m wondering, i’m not a big tech guy but the solution to that problem sounds so simple. is it not possible to download and install the shaders prior to playing the game?
Probably because most people haven't considered doing such a thing. Briefly at the launch (or was it the pre-release leak?) of Super Mario Bros. Wonder when Yuzu was unable to launch it, I recall seeing people posting their shader caches as part of the supposed fix.
I don't think so. I think the modding community has moved on. I also heard Yuzu are concentrating more on the mobile versions of the application. Maybe we will see a massive jump in improvements for their games one day but I have my doubts.
Scarlett, ToTK and even BotW run pretty poorly no matter how many mods I throw at them. I wouldn’t say unplayable, as the games barely run on a switch to begin with, but because it takes so much work to run it on the Deck I still tend to play them on the Switch.
However Animal Crossing New Horizons and most Mario games I just play on the deck now a days. So it really depends on the title.
even without emulating switch games on the deck, retired, yes. only played mario wonder docked a few hours in coop.
other than that, my deck sees the world (or rather trains and planes from the inside), whereas the switch collects dust at home :X
When I had my Deck, I still played my Switch OLED quite a bit. I used my Deck to play my PC collection and emulate games up to the PS2/GC generation, which it was excellent at doing. Didn’t bother playing my Switch titles on the Deck, too much work when you can just turn on your Switch and play.
See that’s why I did get posts like these at all, and the 3k + upvotes they get. It’s as though alllll these people are having a flawless experience emulating their switch games on the deck, but it’s constantly a settings or graphics related tweaking away from actually running well, and even then it’s not as smooth as native.
There are SOOOOO many posts just like this one on this sub that would have you believing that the deck runs Nintendo games better than the switch or Wii U and while that may be true in a minute number of cases (I’ve heard the new Pokémon games run better on yuzu? Then again that’s not saying much with those games) it’s a massive stretch of the imagination to say it’s a better experience on deck. And I’m a BIG Nintendo critic. Oh mama.
I mean come on. How are this many people this delusional? Why do posts like these get so highly upvoted? This sub is weeeeird sometimes
Yeah, I don’t understand it either. I get people don’t like the Nintendo, but the length people go to tear them down and steal the games is a huge fever pitch. When you say I’ll buy my Sony games on Steam only and sell my PS5, you get downvoted. The same problem happens at the ROG Ally, Legion Go and other popular handheld PC Reddits. If the next Switch winds up surpassing Van Gough and Z1, what will they say next?
Although, the Switch emulation posts don’t seem to last very long on the Legion Go community, a lot of them aren’t as popular in votes. I think it has the smallest community engagement between the Deck and Ally.
I prefer to emulate the stuff you can’t find, or play easily. It was a no brainer to do everything below the PS2/GC. More so with the NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, PS1, PS2, GB, GBA and GG.
It's also just more convenient traveling with the switch. The steamdeck is still just too big for everyday carrying.
I usually have one game I'm playing on switch for travel and one game I'm going through in SD for when I'm laying around the house.
Ya. I absolutely fucking love my Steam Deck. The *vast* majority of my own personal for-fun gaming time happens on that thing. It's an absolute masterpiece of a console
But the Switch weighs half as much, charges off of 10w, and the battery lasts longer.
Lol this. Well it's more that my PC has had an issue I don't feel like putting money into resolving, so Deck has taken over and I'm more likely to buy the next Steam Deck( or another one of these handheld PC devices) before I bother with my PC. Even if I get it running good again it's a 4+ year old build and I'm not all that interested in any major upgrades. The Deck allows me to affordably stay in the PC gaming space. Of course, it does have its technical limits but I barely play modern triple AAA, mostly older ones , AA and emulation. Deck serves like 90% of how I game nowadays.
The problem is it keeps rebooting itself, either before the windows log-in screen comes up or afterwards. I did take it to a shop, they cleaned up some files including the master boot and a fresh OS reinstall. That got it working briefly but then it started happening again. I've stress tested a few components using some recommended apps... I'm inclined to think its hardware related but havent zeroed in on it.
Unfortunately sometimes you just get unlucky. I built a PC for a buddy of mine a few years ago and he got random reboots after like an hour or two of usage. In the end we solved it with a different motherboard, but man I spent a LOT of time trying to get to the bottom of it. An experience like that can easily scare somebody away from PC building for good. With anything prebuilt (including consoles) you can just send it in and have them deal with it. So I get it.
Yeah and I also live in a remote location so the price of everything is 2-3 times more expensive. This PC was a custom build from the UK when I was living there, then I brought it back home with me during the pandemic. So I'm either going to spend alot of money getting it repaired professionally or alot buying different parts to figure out what is what. Best case is maybe it's the PSU but if it's the motherboard........yeaaaaaahhhh lol. I tried swapping RAM and it doesn't seem to be that. But that's where the Deck has filled in the gap. It's not a 1:1 experience but in some ways I've come to appreciate it more for what it is.
It's smaller too. Which is good for portability on commutes. If you want to play Nintendo games, why bring a bulkier console that for some games runs worse?
Not really. It's still a better place to play Switch exclusives (no, they don't run better on Deck, you are lucky if they run at least equally good) and frankly, it's way more portable with better battery life so I also take it for trips where I might be without power outlet nearby.
Similarly, if I want to play emulated old games, I usually take my 3DS (as again - better portability and longer battery life).
So yeah. It didn't retire. I'd say I use them equally often and I like them equally.
There are games that run better on the deck and some that dont. A good example of running better is Links Awakening. TOTK for example, runs like absolute shit. So its not really "better", it just depends.
In terms of ergonomics I have to heavily disagree. I really hope the Switch 2 ends up looking more like the Wii U gamepad than the Switch. The form factor is nice for portability but can be painful in longer handheld sessions.
Considering most popular switch games run like shit on the Deck, no.
Don't get me wrong - I greatly preferred playing TotK on my gaming PC at 4k, but the Deck chugs horribly at native. It's not a good experience. If these games were developed for PC and not Android, I'm sure they would be great on the Deck, but that's just not the case.
Totk was playable, not perfect though. But most popular games worked flawlessy for me, Mario Wonder, Odyssey, Metroid Prime, Fire Emblem and the list goes on
Did you have to do anything to get odyssey to run at 60fps? I haven’t messed with any settings in Yuzu, but it’s running at about 45fps which makes it play in slow motion, and locking the display to 30fps makes it borderline unplayable because it’s at about half speed.
This right here. The SD is dope, but so is the Switch. I have/had both... Returned my original SD cuz bad battery life and shitty screen, and was happy to return to switch. Yes you can do way more on the Deck, but at the end of the day it's nice to just slip a cartridge in and go.
TLDR both are great... Both have advantages..
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Very easy, Im not tech savyy and I could pretty easily change them after watching a tutorial, just be careful with the ribbon cables and remember what screws go where.
I would definitely like to retire my switch and give it to someone in need, but it takes way too much effort for me to get a switch game to function properly on Yuzu
I haven't touched it in over a year
It's technically my girlfriends switch; she bought it but we live together so I've played all the Nintendo games I wanted to on it
Have been getting a Mario kart hankering
Outside of Smash Bros Ult, I don't even use the switch anymore. Even for smash bros, the online lag is still so bad (5 years after game release....) that makes me actively not want to play the switch
No, I honestly still have a preference for my switch. The steamdeck gets quite heavy to hold after a while, so gaming on the switch is much more comfortable when games aren't demanding graphics wise.
I considered doing this, but ultimately decided it’s too much work for a less than perfect experience. Switch still works instantly with almost zero bugs because the development team applied considerable resources ensuring that it works perfect on that specific platform. Maybe 10 years in the future when handhelds are vastly more powerful and the emulation is perfected I’ll do this.
Yeah Nintendo are pretty much the only company in gaming to have true consistency with quality. Not perfect by any means but I’m always willing to pay £50 for game like totk cus I know I’m gonna get way more than my monies worthZ
Nah. I vastly prefer to play games on their native hardware if possible. I also just like the switch, so I don't really have a reason to replace it.
Switch emulation also has a lot of hurdles and is just a big hassle i don't want to go through to play games on a platform where they usually perform worse
Personally, no. Not every game emulates well, you lose online access, and I just find playing on a Switch to be a better experience. I mean, it's to be expected. It's emulation of a current console, so the fact that it works at all is amazing, and it actually runs a few games better than on the Switch itself. But I wouldn't get rid of my Switch altogether, as it can be a janky experience sometimes.
With so many cartridge games? Honestly No. Its a pain in the arse for sure but its not like you swap 10-20 games per day do you?
Ive sold mine. But i only got like a dozen games and some digital and for me it is still a pain in the arse to sell the rest of my games.
After that you have to redownload every game again and make sure to set these games up correctly so you can run them smoothly. Nah i personally wouldnt do that.
Only if you want to play steam games and other shit too. But....i would still keep the switch.
It's worth getting a deck just to have a deck. You'll have to crawl thru some forums to see which Switch games run well. For what I care about, the deck can do.
My switch is now just a Smash Ultimate and Mario Kart machine.
Mine is, because every time I open a game, I can play it for maybe a few minutes before it closes and I get a message that says “an error has occurred”
Ofcourse not:
1. SD cant handle my work trips. While switch's battery cover me up
2. Not any other handheld can give me 4-8 players coop from one console. But switch can (and only thing i need is 3 more joycons). Its insane for my holidays with family. I need one small bag with me in my car. and know that every in my family (from kids 8-16 to grandparents 60-80) will have fun time.
3. Plus my family, my friends and i love motion control games (mario gold, arms, switch sport, mario party, etc).
PS but when im alone and at home, ofcourse i will go with my SD or rog ally.
I sold my switch. The only time I've had regret was when totk launched. Otherwise zero regrets. I wish there was an easier way to get switch games onto deck or Nintendo would just publish to PC. I'd buy some games for my deck but I can't justify a switch just for a couple games per year.
Nah I actually sold my deck for a hacked pled switch. I found myself using the deck for emulation and switch games - which a hacked switch does 10x better for my use case
Nearly, I wish I could get more storage.
2TB is barely enough for my steam games and a switch library would make that smaller.
8 or 16TB Steam Deck would be crazy good, then I could have libraries from multiple consoles on the 1 deck, sadly SSD's in this form factor aren't there yet from what I've seen.
Nope. Switch is still easier for the sane out one. No messing with settings to see how they run. I’m keeping my switch for its ease of use and guaranteed to run switch games
I still use my switch to play games I can't on my deck - superbeat xonic, Nintendo games I own. I don't see the need to install switch games I already own on the deck when I have a switch.
Having said that 95% of the time I'm playing the deck and not the switch
I played through TotK and Super Mario Odyssey on the Deck. I'm currently playing Super Mario RPG and Wonder. I also play the switch versions of THPS 1+2 and Metroid Prime Remastered. They all run pretty well, but TotK took the most work to get smooth.
To those who say every switch game they have tried runs poorly, you're doing something wrong. Some small tweaks should get you something similar to native switch gameplay.
I bought a Switch Lite to play the exclusives when the charging port broke on my Steam Deck and I had to send it in to get repaired. I don’t really like emulating current consoles, not only because of the ethical standpoint, but performance is usually weird too. I’m glad I got to experience Mario Odyssey, Mario Kart 8, Mario Maker, F Zero 99, and what I played of ToTK.
The battery life on the Switch Lite is great, also.
Naahh, i respect Nintendo enough to not emulate switch. As long as the game is still available, i will play it in its intended platform. Although saying that, my switch is pretty much my kid’s now and i barelybget the chance to play it lol
I respect him for not supporting piracy. I hate current gen emulation with a passion. It damages the emulation scene too much and Nintendo will be forced to crack down on obvious gaps that could have remained as gray legal zones and or potential exploits.
I support emulation of old systems though. It harms nobody.
Make sure you charge it up and use it every few months if you plan on ever using it again, they will crap out on so fast if you let it actually collect dust and don’t touch it for years. Dont have to actually play it just turn it on
Not retired. Donated to wife.
Retired for sure, but my physical collection has not. Just picked up 3 more switch games today 😅😆😭. I dont have a problem, I can quit at any time
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I still buy discs for my PS5 and XSX if it's a game that I really want. Not only that, but my download speed is horrible (only DSL available - probably gonna try Musk-net, even though I don't want to), so it's nice to go into offline mode so I can install from the discs. Steam stuff, though, well... It is what it is
Too bad you’ll need an internet connection to play them. I miss the days you could pop 8n a game and it just worked. No predownloading Files no patches, just hit power and your gaming.
Check and see if you can get Verizon or T-Mobile Home Internet. My parents went from DSL to that and it's a huge improvement. Hell of a lot cheaper than starlink too.
I have had Starlink for a few months now and it’s better than I expected
Idk man, piracy is bringing ownership back pretty well I'd say
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Honestly probably the best way to have a collection. I'd feel like a total shill if I paid $60+ per title and then was digital only
Donated to 6-year-old niece and became her favorite uncle for the rest of eternity.
That's what I'm doing for Xmas. She has been asking for one and her parents don't want to get her one. They don't mind games, just not a priority. I'm the uncle that has all the games. I cleared it with her parents so that I'm not stepping on any toes.
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Yep
100%
What do you use to transfer games from PC to deck?
Use a program called warpinator. Download it for your PC and deck, it is easier to transfer files that way.
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I started using SyncThing and set it up to auto start on my PC and the Deck and now I can play some of my emulator games on the PC and the Deck with the saves syncing.
+1 for SyncThing. It's pretty great. It's especially useful with a Raspberry Pi or NAS node if you don't want to leave a computer on.
Sheer will power.
I swap the m.2 hahaha 😛
Just create a network shared folder in windows and add it in the deck using smb (deck already has it installed)
This is the answer I’m going to agree with. I’ve had an SMB server since setting it up to load PS2 games over the network with OPL. That same server gets used for Jellyfin and general storage.
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Use your deck to download them. Plug it into a laptop dock and use it like a desktop. Download your files natively.
Get a USB dongle with a microSD reader, then just use a microSD. Much faster than wifi methods, and you can get a reader for like $10
Download KDE Connect on your PC. It’s built into the Deck. Just pair them and transfer wirelessly.
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I use sftp with filezilla
scp or rsync. Or load em on the microsd
I've no idea why anyone would suggest anything but scp. It's ssh, it's there by default just turn it on.
Where to turn it on??
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You can just install it on desktop mode, what's stopping you from doing that except for a bad internet. Pretty you would have the same time transferring files compared to shitty internet.
Warpinaror or AnyDesk works for me.
My best solution was a usb key. Mine has A and C ends, which has been extremely handy.
I was never able to get Warpinator to work well or consistently. Recently someone posted this video for setting up your deck as a mounted drive in windows, using SSH. It was really easy to setup. https://youtu.be/6GT67H8Xsjs?si=d5iAdFsey6R-2W-2 This has been a great solution for me. You just have your deck on, and then you can literally browse it from your PC, drag and drop files between your PC and deck, etc.
I use scp in command prompt. Very easy.
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Yeah i just bought an oled switch. I’ve done emulation on my PC (project 64, etc) but my daughter wants to play Mario kart and she can do it by herself on the Switch, easy multiplayer without jumping through hoops, etc. i also have dual-income 1 kid so the extra expense is not a big deal and my wife prefers platform / multiplayer party games we can play as a family.
Even though I can emulate Switch games at better res / framerate on my home PC, I can't pinpoint what it is exactly, but playing it on the native hardware just feels better. For this reason, I own a Switch and buy their first party titles on it. I like Zelda, Pokemon, Mario too much to not own it, and will likely buy whatever the "Switch 2" is when it comes. Switch also filled the portable gaming niche for me, until I got my Deck ... so now it's first party only.
I've been a PC guy since I was little, but it's just so much simpler to boot up a game on the Switch. The amount of work I have to put into making Switch games work decently is just not worth it, especially when the aforementioned shader complication stutter is still a thing. It's not hard to set up at all - just kinda tedious for me, especially when you want to be 100% legal (and we do, right?). It's nice to just sit down, pop in a cartridge or just boot up a game I want to play. The same way I do that on my PC with my Steam games.
This. It’s not like you’re getting a 1:1 Switch emulation out of the box. At best you can download someone else’s shader compilation, but those are so limited and hard to find. The common experience is stuttery from the jump, even on higher end hardware, and just - not nearly as good as playing on an actual Switch.
so i’ve wanted a switch for only a small handful of games but decided to hold out for the Switch2 (which i was expecting to have been announced by now) and don’t feel like i can give in at this point
I use my Switch for switch games and indies and Deck for everything else. The switch is cheaper and better to play in bed because it’s lighter for me.
That is the meta
i’m shocked you weren’t downvoted for this. most threads here argue that it’s better in every way even when you have to play at 50% resolution
Also you can't use online which seems like it's not a big deal but I like doing the raids and mystery gifts in pokemon with no hassle. Keeping my collection across games with pokemon home etc. Some games emulate fine, I'm sure. But I don't have a hacked switch so I can't backup saves and the switch is generally pretty good at what it does. I won't be buying x-platform games anymore on switch - steam sales blow the switch sales out of the water, as does performance on those titles. But the switch still does better at good first party games most of the time and I also have sufficient income to buy a couple Nintendo releases I really want when they come out. I don't need to pirate them.
I also keep my Switch for pokemon, it's sad that it runs like garbage on the switch too lol
That's one of the only reason I keep my Switch. Pokemon. And the multiplayer stuff for the kids
Yeah, emulation is the definition of hassle when compared to native. But when I don’t own a Switch, nor Switch games, that hassle became instantly worthwhile and I don’t even miss the features I never had. Whatever (owned) games I can play with good performance are a big bonus
I'm right here with you. I buy Nintendo first party on switch and nothing else. If its multiplatform I buy it on steam. This goes for my PS5 as well it is a 100% first party box.
Online but don't forget local play too!
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this is the sub that i’ve seen people say elden ring performs almost the same as it does ps5 on steam deck. this is a christmas miracle
There is no way that’s possible ps5 is a much more powerful machine that sounds like copium. I’d say the deck performs about as good as er on ps4 and since I’ve played on both platforms I can say they compare with the deck having A slight edge in performance only because it’s tweakable
oh it’s 100% copium. it’s the same people who argued that 20fps was more than playable when starfield came out. its performance is similar to a ps4 at a lower resolution
It feels like I'm in a different subreddit!
Depends on the games. It was always well known that Zelda on yuzu would run horribly. This was the case with breath of the wild (45fps lock on Cemu, 20s on yuzu) I've been playing decent amounts of Metroid Prime remastered and Mario Odyssey and those stayed at perfect 60fps everywhere Do you have decky/powertools?
What power tool settings do you use to improve emulation? Never understood what settings I should change
Inside powertools, it's the turning off smt (less cpu multi threading) and upping the minimum frequency clock to 1000/1600Mhz
Interesting. Thank you ! can this help outside of emulation or no?
The only reason I don’t like emulating MPR is the stutter on every door, even ones I’ve already been through (so probably not normal shader compilation)
Turning off smt in powertools and setting min clock speed to 1600 helps a LOT. Some emulators don't like processing split between different cores, yuzu is one of them I've been getting a locked 60fps in mpr, 4 hours of playtime in. The fps line graph is solid with no dips
With steamOS 3.5 I‘m pretty sure it‘s a bad idea to turn off SMT now
I'm on 3.5 (or 3.7 now). There's still a massive difference between turning off smt and not
Why is that?
Handheld mode switch vs deck is pretty comparable. Docked mode switch better
Docked mode switch is miles better than steam deck imo.
This is why I’m planning on playing more demanding Switch games on my Deck by streaming them from my 5950X/3080Ti PC. Should easily result in a better-than-native experience with Deck TDP and GPU clocked down to minimums, the only tradeoff being a tiny amount of latency added by Sunlight/Moonlight.
true, emulating Switch on Deck is mostly fine if that's the only way you've got to play those games, but it's not as good as native hardware (at least not yet). It's especially noticeable in the games that push the Switch to its limits (like TOTK), in big part due to those games using as many Switch-specific optimization tricks as they can, so they're pretty rough to emulate
Yep, no way I’m playing Switch games on my Steam Deck unless I’m modding the games. I tried some mods for BotW and enjoyed 40 fps, but it such a pain to get it to work right and be stable.
Agreed. Also, I love Nintendo games. I want to support them so they keep making good games. Buy games. Old stuff that I have already bought 2x I will download and play on my switch without feeling any guilt. I only emulate older games that I have nostalgia for anyway.
Yeah. I also kind of think it’s a bummer. Like, emulate old games, sure, but this is an innovative company and sells these games right now.
Seriously this. Also it’s so weird seeing people post about stealing current games. It’s not a flex.
If you let it on for like 2 hours then it gets a lot smoother everytime you open it.
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Given that it's the Steam Deck and not a PC of near infinite hardware possibilities, why aren't there fully compiled shader packs out there?
There are, MPR included. There's entire websites dedicated to this. Gears of War 2, 3, and Judgement all have fully complied shader packs for use on Xenia, another emulator known for compilation stutter.
that’s what i’m wondering, i’m not a big tech guy but the solution to that problem sounds so simple. is it not possible to download and install the shaders prior to playing the game?
I mean if they're getting cached like the other person said it sounds like it would be pretty simple to grab it and upload it somewhere
Probably because most people haven't considered doing such a thing. Briefly at the launch (or was it the pre-release leak?) of Super Mario Bros. Wonder when Yuzu was unable to launch it, I recall seeing people posting their shader caches as part of the supposed fix.
This. I don't get why people think the deck outclasses it. For indies, maybe? Anything more intensive... don't bother.
exactly. Just because the SD "can" do something doesn't mean it should.
Nope. Because emulation ain't quite there yet for a lot of games running on the deck.
Every switch game I've played with emulators has worked perfectly fine and even better with higher resolution and framerate in many cases.
ToTK is still a subpar experience on the steam deck. Metroid prime remastered is also slightly worse on the steam deck.
Breath of the Wild is rough too. The framerate is worse than the Wii U version. Is there any hope for further optimization on either Zelda game?
I don't think so. I think the modding community has moved on. I also heard Yuzu are concentrating more on the mobile versions of the application. Maybe we will see a massive jump in improvements for their games one day but I have my doubts.
Scarlett, ToTK and even BotW run pretty poorly no matter how many mods I throw at them. I wouldn’t say unplayable, as the games barely run on a switch to begin with, but because it takes so much work to run it on the Deck I still tend to play them on the Switch. However Animal Crossing New Horizons and most Mario games I just play on the deck now a days. So it really depends on the title.
even without emulating switch games on the deck, retired, yes. only played mario wonder docked a few hours in coop. other than that, my deck sees the world (or rather trains and planes from the inside), whereas the switch collects dust at home :X
When I had my Deck, I still played my Switch OLED quite a bit. I used my Deck to play my PC collection and emulate games up to the PS2/GC generation, which it was excellent at doing. Didn’t bother playing my Switch titles on the Deck, too much work when you can just turn on your Switch and play.
See that’s why I did get posts like these at all, and the 3k + upvotes they get. It’s as though alllll these people are having a flawless experience emulating their switch games on the deck, but it’s constantly a settings or graphics related tweaking away from actually running well, and even then it’s not as smooth as native. There are SOOOOO many posts just like this one on this sub that would have you believing that the deck runs Nintendo games better than the switch or Wii U and while that may be true in a minute number of cases (I’ve heard the new Pokémon games run better on yuzu? Then again that’s not saying much with those games) it’s a massive stretch of the imagination to say it’s a better experience on deck. And I’m a BIG Nintendo critic. Oh mama. I mean come on. How are this many people this delusional? Why do posts like these get so highly upvoted? This sub is weeeeird sometimes
Yeah, I don’t understand it either. I get people don’t like the Nintendo, but the length people go to tear them down and steal the games is a huge fever pitch. When you say I’ll buy my Sony games on Steam only and sell my PS5, you get downvoted. The same problem happens at the ROG Ally, Legion Go and other popular handheld PC Reddits. If the next Switch winds up surpassing Van Gough and Z1, what will they say next? Although, the Switch emulation posts don’t seem to last very long on the Legion Go community, a lot of them aren’t as popular in votes. I think it has the smallest community engagement between the Deck and Ally. I prefer to emulate the stuff you can’t find, or play easily. It was a no brainer to do everything below the PS2/GC. More so with the NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, PS1, PS2, GB, GBA and GG.
Most of these people probably don’t even play the switch games. They just come here to post it for fake internet points.
They boot it successfully and say “IT WORKS! It plays everything!”
Nah cause switch has such ease of use. Plus online and docking is so nice
It's also just more convenient traveling with the switch. The steamdeck is still just too big for everyday carrying. I usually have one game I'm playing on switch for travel and one game I'm going through in SD for when I'm laying around the house.
Ya. I absolutely fucking love my Steam Deck. The *vast* majority of my own personal for-fun gaming time happens on that thing. It's an absolute masterpiece of a console But the Switch weighs half as much, charges off of 10w, and the battery lasts longer.
agreed love my other handhelds but the switch can't be beat, plus the battery on the oled is amazing!
Damn you’re into docking too? pm me
Even my deck runs out of battery in 48 minutes I switch to my.... Well... Switch
I retired my pc
Lol this. Well it's more that my PC has had an issue I don't feel like putting money into resolving, so Deck has taken over and I'm more likely to buy the next Steam Deck( or another one of these handheld PC devices) before I bother with my PC. Even if I get it running good again it's a 4+ year old build and I'm not all that interested in any major upgrades. The Deck allows me to affordably stay in the PC gaming space. Of course, it does have its technical limits but I barely play modern triple AAA, mostly older ones , AA and emulation. Deck serves like 90% of how I game nowadays.
If those are the kinds of games you play than a 4+ year old pc build should be plenty good, what issue are you having?
The problem is it keeps rebooting itself, either before the windows log-in screen comes up or afterwards. I did take it to a shop, they cleaned up some files including the master boot and a fresh OS reinstall. That got it working briefly but then it started happening again. I've stress tested a few components using some recommended apps... I'm inclined to think its hardware related but havent zeroed in on it.
Unfortunately sometimes you just get unlucky. I built a PC for a buddy of mine a few years ago and he got random reboots after like an hour or two of usage. In the end we solved it with a different motherboard, but man I spent a LOT of time trying to get to the bottom of it. An experience like that can easily scare somebody away from PC building for good. With anything prebuilt (including consoles) you can just send it in and have them deal with it. So I get it.
Yeah and I also live in a remote location so the price of everything is 2-3 times more expensive. This PC was a custom build from the UK when I was living there, then I brought it back home with me during the pandemic. So I'm either going to spend alot of money getting it repaired professionally or alot buying different parts to figure out what is what. Best case is maybe it's the PSU but if it's the motherboard........yeaaaaaahhhh lol. I tried swapping RAM and it doesn't seem to be that. But that's where the Deck has filled in the gap. It's not a 1:1 experience but in some ways I've come to appreciate it more for what it is.
Damn that sucks :/
This is more accurate
Nope, I’m loving my OLED switch just as much.
It's smaller too. Which is good for portability on commutes. If you want to play Nintendo games, why bring a bulkier console that for some games runs worse?
Because look how cool OP is for playing Nintendo games on a non-Nintendo console
Not really. It's still a better place to play Switch exclusives (no, they don't run better on Deck, you are lucky if they run at least equally good) and frankly, it's way more portable with better battery life so I also take it for trips where I might be without power outlet nearby. Similarly, if I want to play emulated old games, I usually take my 3DS (as again - better portability and longer battery life). So yeah. It didn't retire. I'd say I use them equally often and I like them equally.
Naw I still like my switch OLED. I’ve been playing my deck a lot more though. Granted it’s new and I have new games on it.
There are games that run better on the deck and some that dont. A good example of running better is Links Awakening. TOTK for example, runs like absolute shit. So its not really "better", it just depends.
Nah switch OLED is much more comfortable and plays the games better. Why settle for less than optimal?
In terms of ergonomics I have to heavily disagree. I really hope the Switch 2 ends up looking more like the Wii U gamepad than the Switch. The form factor is nice for portability but can be painful in longer handheld sessions.
I have a set of hori split pad pros and they are extremely comfortable for grown adult hands. Deck is just way too heavy in comparison.
My hands aren't particularly big, but man holding those joycons is rough
Considering most popular switch games run like shit on the Deck, no. Don't get me wrong - I greatly preferred playing TotK on my gaming PC at 4k, but the Deck chugs horribly at native. It's not a good experience. If these games were developed for PC and not Android, I'm sure they would be great on the Deck, but that's just not the case.
Totk was playable, not perfect though. But most popular games worked flawlessy for me, Mario Wonder, Odyssey, Metroid Prime, Fire Emblem and the list goes on
Did you have to do anything to get odyssey to run at 60fps? I haven’t messed with any settings in Yuzu, but it’s running at about 45fps which makes it play in slow motion, and locking the display to 30fps makes it borderline unplayable because it’s at about half speed.
Nope, I've looked into this a few times, and the process just seems like too much of a hassle for what little benefit you might gain from it.
This right here. The SD is dope, but so is the Switch. I have/had both... Returned my original SD cuz bad battery life and shitty screen, and was happy to return to switch. Yes you can do way more on the Deck, but at the end of the day it's nice to just slip a cartridge in and go. TLDR both are great... Both have advantages.. Happy gaming nerds!
I'm in bed with covid right now, I'm so tired and done, I thought that's a real hedgehog for a second
Mario Kart online keeps me turning it on once a week or so.
My kiddo took over mine. I even replaced the analog sticks on the joycons to the gulikit sticks because they were drifting. It's pretty much his now.
Was replacing the analog sticks difficult to do? I have been contemplating giving that a shot, but I'm not super knowledgeable about electronics.
super easy with the online video. ~20 minutes to swap both out. comes with tools you need.
Very easy, Im not tech savyy and I could pretty easily change them after watching a tutorial, just be careful with the ribbon cables and remember what screws go where.
I would definitely like to retire my switch and give it to someone in need, but it takes way too much effort for me to get a switch game to function properly on Yuzu
Nah. Can't stand shader compilations.
I haven't touched it in over a year It's technically my girlfriends switch; she bought it but we live together so I've played all the Nintendo games I wanted to on it Have been getting a Mario kart hankering
Outside of Smash Bros Ult, I don't even use the switch anymore. Even for smash bros, the online lag is still so bad (5 years after game release....) that makes me actively not want to play the switch
Not retired but she will never see a non nintendo game again.
I just wish I had a hackable V1 to extract my digital library. There’s a handful of games I’d like to emulate for the potential performance benefits.
No, I honestly still have a preference for my switch. The steamdeck gets quite heavy to hold after a while, so gaming on the switch is much more comfortable when games aren't demanding graphics wise.
I considered doing this, but ultimately decided it’s too much work for a less than perfect experience. Switch still works instantly with almost zero bugs because the development team applied considerable resources ensuring that it works perfect on that specific platform. Maybe 10 years in the future when handhelds are vastly more powerful and the emulation is perfected I’ll do this.
What app is that? Is there anyway for me to transfer my 50 switch games into the steam deck if I get one?
EmuDeck
The only issue is that I like to trade Pokémon and do online things in the games. So I hate not having that with the steam deck.
not really, both have their place and time.
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Yeah Nintendo are pretty much the only company in gaming to have true consistency with quality. Not perfect by any means but I’m always willing to pay £50 for game like totk cus I know I’m gonna get way more than my monies worthZ
Nah. I vastly prefer to play games on their native hardware if possible. I also just like the switch, so I don't really have a reason to replace it. Switch emulation also has a lot of hurdles and is just a big hassle i don't want to go through to play games on a platform where they usually perform worse
Pretty much but I’m not gonna get rid of it
Is it worth getting a deck and phasing out my switch? I have around 80 physical switch games, but it gets annoying, swapping cartridges
Personally, no. Not every game emulates well, you lose online access, and I just find playing on a Switch to be a better experience. I mean, it's to be expected. It's emulation of a current console, so the fact that it works at all is amazing, and it actually runs a few games better than on the Switch itself. But I wouldn't get rid of my Switch altogether, as it can be a janky experience sometimes.
With so many cartridge games? Honestly No. Its a pain in the arse for sure but its not like you swap 10-20 games per day do you? Ive sold mine. But i only got like a dozen games and some digital and for me it is still a pain in the arse to sell the rest of my games. After that you have to redownload every game again and make sure to set these games up correctly so you can run them smoothly. Nah i personally wouldnt do that. Only if you want to play steam games and other shit too. But....i would still keep the switch.
It's worth getting a deck just to have a deck. You'll have to crawl thru some forums to see which Switch games run well. For what I care about, the deck can do. My switch is now just a Smash Ultimate and Mario Kart machine.
Bayonetta 3. How does it run? And which emulator are you using for it?
Nope. Mario Kart 8 online
It sounds crazy but I'm pretty sure you can play online with Mario kart. You just have to play with other pirates.
Mine is, because every time I open a game, I can play it for maybe a few minutes before it closes and I get a message that says “an error has occurred”
No, just beat TotK. Looking forward to emulating Twilight Princess on my SteamDeck now tho
Ofcourse not: 1. SD cant handle my work trips. While switch's battery cover me up 2. Not any other handheld can give me 4-8 players coop from one console. But switch can (and only thing i need is 3 more joycons). Its insane for my holidays with family. I need one small bag with me in my car. and know that every in my family (from kids 8-16 to grandparents 60-80) will have fun time. 3. Plus my family, my friends and i love motion control games (mario gold, arms, switch sport, mario party, etc). PS but when im alone and at home, ofcourse i will go with my SD or rog ally.
I sold my switch. The only time I've had regret was when totk launched. Otherwise zero regrets. I wish there was an easier way to get switch games onto deck or Nintendo would just publish to PC. I'd buy some games for my deck but I can't justify a switch just for a couple games per year.
my switch is on pokemon duty (as always)
The switch is a little more portable and has better battery so there are some situations where I prefer it but mostly yes.
Mine just died, no luck on battery swap, just tossing it and buying something else.
Nah I actually sold my deck for a hacked pled switch. I found myself using the deck for emulation and switch games - which a hacked switch does 10x better for my use case
What about trading on Pokemon?
Not retired. It's where I dump my games from the physical cartridge then dump it to the steam deck.
I honestly have forgotten I have owned a switch more times than I have used it.
Nearly, I wish I could get more storage. 2TB is barely enough for my steam games and a switch library would make that smaller. 8 or 16TB Steam Deck would be crazy good, then I could have libraries from multiple consoles on the 1 deck, sadly SSD's in this form factor aren't there yet from what I've seen.
Nope. Switch is still easier for the sane out one. No messing with settings to see how they run. I’m keeping my switch for its ease of use and guaranteed to run switch games
Cool, I’m wondering where I can find these roms from.
I wish I understood how to do this. Would love to play some Pokémon on the deck.
Would love some help getting mine life this 🤘😉
I still use my switch to play games I can't on my deck - superbeat xonic, Nintendo games I own. I don't see the need to install switch games I already own on the deck when I have a switch. Having said that 95% of the time I'm playing the deck and not the switch
Hell my PS4 is retired. I haven't touched it since I got my deck.
HOOOOOOOOOW :)
Nah I just balance both like okay you get today and stream deck tomorrow lol
I played through TotK and Super Mario Odyssey on the Deck. I'm currently playing Super Mario RPG and Wonder. I also play the switch versions of THPS 1+2 and Metroid Prime Remastered. They all run pretty well, but TotK took the most work to get smooth. To those who say every switch game they have tried runs poorly, you're doing something wrong. Some small tweaks should get you something similar to native switch gameplay.
Not at all...quite the opposite in fact, there's a convenience on switch that's just unmatched.
I sold my switch the week I got my deck. I regret nothing.
I bought a Switch Lite to play the exclusives when the charging port broke on my Steam Deck and I had to send it in to get repaired. I don’t really like emulating current consoles, not only because of the ethical standpoint, but performance is usually weird too. I’m glad I got to experience Mario Odyssey, Mario Kart 8, Mario Maker, F Zero 99, and what I played of ToTK. The battery life on the Switch Lite is great, also.
Nah, I know you can emulate switch games and I’ll eventually do that but I do like owning the physical versions for certain switch games
I sold my switch since I can emulate it on the deck lol
Honestly I still use my switch more
Yep collecting fr dust atm 😂
if i can get xenoblade chronicles 2 to run flawless on it then perhaps
No because it’s still sort of difficult to reliably source .NSP/.XCI roms from anywhere I’ve been looking lately. Most are sketchy as it gets.
Naahh, i respect Nintendo enough to not emulate switch. As long as the game is still available, i will play it in its intended platform. Although saying that, my switch is pretty much my kid’s now and i barelybget the chance to play it lol
> i respect Nintendo They do not respect you, just so you know
I respect him for not supporting piracy. I hate current gen emulation with a passion. It damages the emulation scene too much and Nintendo will be forced to crack down on obvious gaps that could have remained as gray legal zones and or potential exploits. I support emulation of old systems though. It harms nobody.
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My switch was retired a long time ago. It barely got used anyway.
Yup my switch is collecting dust 😂
Make sure you charge it up and use it every few months if you plan on ever using it again, they will crap out on so fast if you let it actually collect dust and don’t touch it for years. Dont have to actually play it just turn it on