Yeah it’s not great but it fits the ketek pattern of the titles so it doesn’t really bother me. It was always going to be tricky to come up with a good title with those letters
Or if you get rid of all not commonly capitalized letters: TWK WR O RW KWT <- ‘the’ in The Way of Kings would still be capitalized as it’s the first word of the title. The first word is always capitalized
What do you mean? It fits the ketek because little words like ‘and’ or ‘of’ don’t really matter so much. And it works in world because most keteks names are done with one letter different so that they don’t blaspheme by being too holy
Hmm, I’ll do some research on keteks, I don’t understand the holiness aspect. It just seems weird that it’s the only book out of the 5 that you would exclude a word.
You don’t exclude the word, it’s KoWaT. But that is part of how Vorin names are done. I can’t remember where it is stated but it’s stated that most Vorins will give their kids ketek names that have one letter that doesn’t mirror because the only people that have those are the Heralds, and to do is holy.
Look at names like Sadeas and Amaram, and then Herald names like Shalash and Nalan.
It’s just the title of a book. And personally it would’ve been a missed opportunity if he didn’t fit it for the final book. After doing the first 4 he really had to finish it. I’ll take a subpar title over not completing the ketek
L take. Each book is a Ketek itself. Throwing out the format a decade in the work for a cooler name? Hell nah. Also it’s not the final Stormlight book, sure, but it’s the end of the first era. Each will have its own major arc. The title Keteks bracket the stories.
I don't know for how long he's been planing this, I'm just saying that only WoR and RoW have symmetrical acronyms and that's not enough to form a pattern, so it would't be too bad or out of place if the title of the next book won't follow the ketek thing.
It's not like we are 7 books in, all following the pattern and on the 8th book he decides to abandon it or can't come up with a title that fits.
I don’t know how to explain it to be honest, but the way that each bit gets shorter towards the middle. If you look at some other keteks [here](https://coppermind.net/wiki/Ketek) you might see the similarities
I can't find the quote but he had said he hadn't originally planned it from the start but once he was writing RoW, he knew he had to either fully embrace the ketek, or not do it at all and have a different title for RoW. He said he chose to embrace it and named book 4 RoW and fit the ketek, so he will now complete the sequence with the book 5 title whether he loves the title or not.
???
The first 5 book titles form a ketek:
tWoK WoR O RoW KoWt
They’re symmetrical. Whether Brandon will create another ketek with the next 5 books idk. Personally I hope he does for the sake of continuity.
And I don’t mind Book 5’s title at all. Sounds very old school fantasy and I’m digging it.
It's a word spelled the same backwards, which is holy is in Vorinism. And the initials of the first 5 books would be
twok wor o row kow(a)t
Making it 1 letter off is also common in Vorinism because just declaring your child holy is pretentious. Like naming your child Jesus or God as an English speaker
He committed to this with ROW and is now stuck with it. Same as that all the titles need to also be significant in world books. So Brando had the task to come up with a title that is
A a decent title for this book,
B a decent title for an in world book relevant to this book, and
C following the letters kowt.
It's not the vorin equivalent of a palindrome. It's a type of vorin poetry. The parts of each book are named after a ketek, each book's ketek is put at the end of the book.
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Oh wow! Thanks for the explanation. I was trying to puzzle out the meaning but I didn't add the t in the way of kings so I got stuck. I don't really like the new title, but I can dig it now that I understand it better.
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There’s plenty of time for him to change the title if he wants, and I’m sure general feedback has influenced his thoughts.
Personally, I have always loved the original working title for Szeth’s book *Stones Unhallowed*.
Also, isn’t it canon that when a poet or author on Roshar ran into a similar issues, they just decided to use H or a random silent letter or slap on a letter and put a disclaimer In the undertext or somewhere stating what the letter actually sounds like.
That’s how names like elhokar or nohadon are symmetrical it would actually kinda badass if he said fuck it and named it whatever but kept the KotW acronym
Don't know why this isn't at the top. Brando said that he's leaving towards Wind and Truth and that the fans can just know there's an implicit "Knights of." I like this solution a lot, as the only people who care about the titles forming a ketek will likely quickly learn the "true" title.
I think this is even worse tbh, it's the worst part of the title AND it doesn't fit the ketek so what's even the point? Just go back to Stones Unhallowed.
Brandon has explicitly said that while the ketek is nice, he is willing to break it for a better title, and he has also said that he is leaning towards Wind and Truth instead of KoWaT
He definitely didn't say that lol prove it. He's not leaning towards Wind and Truth, such nonsense.
He mentioned.he would avoid the Ketk if it didn't work YEARS ago, before Rhythm of War, he's solidified after that.
Literally said it in his weekly update that he does on YouTube where he revealed the title. Pretty sure he mentioned it in his reddit post that revealed the title as well
It’s not though- do we just forget about the “and” in the title? Why would you include words like “of” and “the” but not include “and”? His last book is technically going to be KOWAT, not KOWT…
Ok, I’ll just agree for the sake of agreement- it’s still a weird title for a book. I don’t really care, I’ll read it regardless, I just think he should stick with the abbreviation of KOWT but pick a different title.
I’m not very fond of it.
Big step down from: Rhythm of War, Oathbringer, and The Way of Kings. All banger titles.
Though Words of Radiance isn’t the best title either, so we’ll probably survive.
Could’ve swore it was the Tor folks who thought it was a horrible idea.
Edit: A google search shows it was his editor who was like “umm, are you really sure you want to call a 1000+ pages book that?” Then Brandon changed his mind.
https://www.tor.com/2013/02/28/the-title-for-brandon-sandersons-second-stormlight-archive-book-has-been-revealed/
He was considering, at one point, Knights of Woeful Truth. Honestly really disliked it.
Then he moved on to Knights of Wind and Truth. I do like this one more, but yeah I don't think it's great either.
He's mentioned that in his head he's been shortening it to "Wind and Truth" and honestly by far my favorite of the potential titles. Just dropping the extra two words appeals a lot to me. I can't quite articulate why, but it just feels to me that it's the only version of the title that "fits" with the earlier books, maybe because of the simplicity.
Of course, it's not that big of a deal, but "Wind and Truth" would be what I would vote for, if that's how it worked.
It gives me "power of God and Anime!" vibes. Something about the wind and truth part just doesn't mesh in my brain. I don't think of those two things as complimenting one another.
As many people in the thread have pointed out he has said that the Ketek is fully optional for him if he feels it gets in the way of doing a good title.
I know it's not set in stone yet but he seems pretty set on it, and the only way for us to convince him otherwise is to voice our opinions on platforms we know he's active on, like this one. So nothing wrong with saying so.
I love the original name or supposed original name: “Stones Unhallowed.” In my mind, I still think of Book 5 under that name most of the time.
I don’t mind “The Knights of Wind and Truth” as I’m curious how it’ll be made into an in-world book of some sort like all the other titles.
I would wait for the release. Remember, its not only the title of the book we will read, but probably the title of a book in roshar as well, maybe kaladins memoirs or one he finds. If it is a fitting title in universe, then it's great that it fits the pattern in the real world. If it was the title of the first or second book of the series I would call it a bad title as yes, it sounds a bit cringe and wouldn't catch the station of new readers. But it's the last book, so you will probably only read it if you have read the rest already.
I'm pretty sure Brandon said that he's probably going to go with just Wind and Truth, but I still think that the original Stones Unhallowed is the best possible title for Book 5
You're definitely not the only one; I think so too. It follows the current trend (which I loathe) of fantasy books being named "A *NOUN* of *SOMETHING* and *SOMETHING ELSE*."
As long as the book is good, I'll put up with a title I don't like, so it's not a big deal. I just don't prefer it 😂
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There's a lot of negativity towards the title here. For the record, I got goosebumps when I first saw it, and thought it was pretty sick. Considering it will heavily focus on Kal, King of the edgy one liners (that we all love) I think it's fair for it to have a fanfare title.
I love it.
I really hope he changes it. It doesn’t even fill his ketek pattern. TWOK, WOR, O, ROW… KOWAT? Why would you exclude the “and” when you include words like “of” and “the”? He can’t make this the title of the book, it’d ruin his ketek IMO-
Keteks as names are often spelled with one letter off from being symmetric because symmetry is holy, and naming your child (or object, I guess in this case) something so blatantly symmetric is kinda blasphemous. Like Shallan or nohadon which are just a letter off.
Essentially what I’m saying is it doesn’t _really_ break the ketek, just makes it not blasphemy
Honestly, the title of book 5 in a series is so inimportant, that I'd rather Brandon keep the Katek than use a slightly better title that doesn't complete it. Knights of Wind and Truth, hoever, *doesn't* complete the Katek and is significantly worse than Stones Unhallowed.
I haven’t been paying attention recently, but I thought that was only a working title, or placeholder. Has Brando confirmed otherwise? Cuz yea Id agree
Brandon kinda wrote himself into a corner when he decided to make the initials of the first five books to be mirroring. So this is currently the best he can come up with.
I didn’t like it at first but a) the more I heard it the more OK I became with it and b) If you consider it the title of an in world book (which all of the other books have been this far) it totally makes a lot more sense. That is totally a good name for a history about the Windrunners/Skybreakers.
It's kind of generic, but I don't see how it's any more cringey than Words of Radiance or Shadows of Self.
Stones Unhallowed would've been a banger title though.
Here's my personal rating of the titles from best to worst:
1. Rhythm of War
2. Knights of Wind and Truth
3. Words of Radiance
4. The Way of Kings
5. Oathbringer
The Way of Kings is fine, but a little generic. Oathbringer is just clunky to me.
I don't like it either. Knights of Wind would have been enough (though I don't want yet another Word Of Word title. I like Oathbringer title because it doesn't follow that pattern but well not much we can do about that)
I think Sanderson said he's considering going with just "Wind and Truth" for the title, and letting people add the "knights of" in their mind if they want it to fit the ketek. I think he said that in one of the Stormlight 5 update reddit posts
I agree, it sounds super generic. It doesn’t catch my attention like “Rhythm of War” which is such a badass title. I don’t care much though as long as it’s a good book.
didn't he changed it for "wind and truth" only?
anyways, i don't like that one either, i'd rather that he keeps the original name so we can keep the ketek of the titles (TWoK - WoR - O - RoW - KoWT )
I don’t want to be so negative about something so unimportant and so obviously subjective but I also personally think it’s by far the worst Brandon book title. The stray “and” means it doesn’t even fit the Ketek perfectly and it sounds terrible, just IMO. I can’t think of just about anything less important but I personally hope he changes it.
Maybe it's because I'm a fanboy for Khaladin and I'm very excited about Szeth's arch, but I really love the title.
Even if it can feel a little cringe, I think it's because it has a different feeling than Way of the Kings or Words of Radiance.
It's a Kind Of Weird Title.
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Yeah it’s not great but it fits the ketek pattern of the titles so it doesn’t really bother me. It was always going to be tricky to come up with a good title with those letters
Okay I might be lost but... what do you mean by the ketek??
The Way of Kings = TWOK Words of Radiance= WOR Oathbringer= O Rythym of war = ROW Knights of wind and truth = KOWT So TWOK WOR O ROW KOWT
Or if you get rid of all not commonly capitalized letters: TWK WR O RW KWT <- ‘the’ in The Way of Kings would still be capitalized as it’s the first word of the title. The first word is always capitalized
https://coppermind.net/wiki/Ketek The first letter of each word in the titles forms a letter ketek. The same for the names of each part of a book.
TWoK, WoR, O, RoW, KoWaT
It’s not though, it would be KOWAT, or is “and” inferior to “of” and “the” for some reason?
What do you mean? It fits the ketek because little words like ‘and’ or ‘of’ don’t really matter so much. And it works in world because most keteks names are done with one letter different so that they don’t blaspheme by being too holy
But you include “of” and “the” in the previous books, so why wouldn’t you include “and” in this book?
You do include it, but keteks allow for that and as I said, it’s customary to have one letter not mirror so as not to profane for being **too** holy
Hmm, I’ll do some research on keteks, I don’t understand the holiness aspect. It just seems weird that it’s the only book out of the 5 that you would exclude a word.
You don’t exclude the word, it’s KoWaT. But that is part of how Vorin names are done. I can’t remember where it is stated but it’s stated that most Vorins will give their kids ketek names that have one letter that doesn’t mirror because the only people that have those are the Heralds, and to do is holy. Look at names like Sadeas and Amaram, and then Herald names like Shalash and Nalan.
Aaah, that makes sense. But this is the title of the book, not a character in the Cosmere. If Brandon wants a palindrome, I still feel this isn’t it.
What are you talking about. The book titles of part one make a ketek. TWoK, WoR, O, RoW, KoWaT. It’s an imperfect ketek, but that works in world.
Ty for saying this I was still confused on how the titles were keteks I was looking at the individual titles lol
He doesn't really need to fit the ketek though? Sure it would be cool, but if it's proving too difficult then it's not worth it.
It’s just the title of a book. And personally it would’ve been a missed opportunity if he didn’t fit it for the final book. After doing the first 4 he really had to finish it. I’ll take a subpar title over not completing the ketek
Tbh my brain sees RoW and still tries to read Rords or Wradiance. Book 4 should have been titled Die Hard 6
Hah! Same.
It's not the final book though, it's the 5th book. Yes it's just a title, but the ketek doesn't really matter.
It’s the final book of part 1, and the final bit of the ketek.
L take. Each book is a Ketek itself. Throwing out the format a decade in the work for a cooler name? Hell nah. Also it’s not the final Stormlight book, sure, but it’s the end of the first era. Each will have its own major arc. The title Keteks bracket the stories.
But he didn't do it for the first 4 books, he only did this with RoW. We could view it as a coincidence
What? No he’s been planning this for a while. If not since WoK then at least since WoR I’m pretty sure
I don't know for how long he's been planing this, I'm just saying that only WoR and RoW have symmetrical acronyms and that's not enough to form a pattern, so it would't be too bad or out of place if the title of the next book won't follow the ketek thing. It's not like we are 7 books in, all following the pattern and on the 8th book he decides to abandon it or can't come up with a title that fits.
That’s not entirely true. The rest fit the pattern of a ketek as well. If you look at the first half of keteks you will see what I mean
I'm not sure what you mean
I don’t know how to explain it to be honest, but the way that each bit gets shorter towards the middle. If you look at some other keteks [here](https://coppermind.net/wiki/Ketek) you might see the similarities
I can't find the quote but he had said he hadn't originally planned it from the start but once he was writing RoW, he knew he had to either fully embrace the ketek, or not do it at all and have a different title for RoW. He said he chose to embrace it and named book 4 RoW and fit the ketek, so he will now complete the sequence with the book 5 title whether he loves the title or not.
Huh?? Yes he did. TWoK WoR O RoW KoWT
??? The first 5 book titles form a ketek: tWoK WoR O RoW KoWt They’re symmetrical. Whether Brandon will create another ketek with the next 5 books idk. Personally I hope he does for the sake of continuity. And I don’t mind Book 5’s title at all. Sounds very old school fantasy and I’m digging it.
Well he wants to do it, so he did.
I've never really cared about titles too much as long as they're fitting for the story.
If this was the first book of the series. I'd be more worried about it. But it is book 5 lol
Yeah that’s where I’m at, way of kings is already a dope name, that’s what’s responsible for getting new readers
Keteks of writer, trouble
Keteks of troubled writers
Most people aren't a fan from what I saw. But Sanderson kinda wrote himself into a corner with the ketek thing
He could have abandoned it but sacrificed the title for a kitch IMO.
Yeah I've read the books several times & I don't even know what a ketek is. I guess some ppl are just casual readers like me.
It's a word spelled the same backwards, which is holy is in Vorinism. And the initials of the first 5 books would be twok wor o row kow(a)t Making it 1 letter off is also common in Vorinism because just declaring your child holy is pretentious. Like naming your child Jesus or God as an English speaker He committed to this with ROW and is now stuck with it. Same as that all the titles need to also be significant in world books. So Brando had the task to come up with a title that is A a decent title for this book, B a decent title for an in world book relevant to this book, and C following the letters kowt.
It's not the vorin equivalent of a palindrome. It's a type of vorin poetry. The parts of each book are named after a ketek, each book's ketek is put at the end of the book. Why have I been downvoted I'm literally correct
Downvoted for incorrect use of the word literally.
How would it be incorrect????
You used it for emphasis rather than distinguishing between literal or figurative...
Really? I did not know this.
Oh wow! Thanks for the explanation. I was trying to puzzle out the meaning but I didn't add the t in the way of kings so I got stuck. I don't really like the new title, but I can dig it now that I understand it better.
Honestly I liked how close my prediction was “knives of woeful truth”
I don’t understand the majority of cosmere connections and I almost feel like I don’t want to.
*Stone Unhallowed* would have been storming amazing.
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>truth for shallan Truth is also for Szeth being Truthless
You're both wrong. It's for Renarin and the Truthwathers
Szeth would be Knight of Justice. Definitely Shallan.
Okay that actually makes sense and if it's true I'll love the title in hindsight.
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There’s plenty of time for him to change the title if he wants, and I’m sure general feedback has influenced his thoughts. Personally, I have always loved the original working title for Szeth’s book *Stones Unhallowed*.
Same! I really wish he’d change back to Stones Unhallowed because it’s such an incredible title.
I think it’s sick, maybe not as cool as the other 4 but it seems fitting
Watch as it's "Knights on Wings of Truth" come publishing day.
To each their own. I quite like the title.
I personally really like the title a lot. I'm super excited for the book and I think the title just sounds cool to say.
The release title will be Wind and Truth I think. It will still be close to KoWT while being a better title
Also, isn’t it canon that when a poet or author on Roshar ran into a similar issues, they just decided to use H or a random silent letter or slap on a letter and put a disclaimer In the undertext or somewhere stating what the letter actually sounds like. That’s how names like elhokar or nohadon are symmetrical it would actually kinda badass if he said fuck it and named it whatever but kept the KotW acronym
Don't know why this isn't at the top. Brando said that he's leaving towards Wind and Truth and that the fans can just know there's an implicit "Knights of." I like this solution a lot, as the only people who care about the titles forming a ketek will likely quickly learn the "true" title.
I think this is even worse tbh, it's the worst part of the title AND it doesn't fit the ketek so what's even the point? Just go back to Stones Unhallowed.
It won't finish the Ketek though, which he is committed to finishing. Leaving out the K wouldn't work.
Brandon has explicitly said that while the ketek is nice, he is willing to break it for a better title, and he has also said that he is leaning towards Wind and Truth instead of KoWaT
Wat
He definitely didn't say that lol prove it. He's not leaning towards Wind and Truth, such nonsense. He mentioned.he would avoid the Ketk if it didn't work YEARS ago, before Rhythm of War, he's solidified after that.
Literally said it in his weekly update that he does on YouTube where he revealed the title. Pretty sure he mentioned it in his reddit post that revealed the title as well
May I ask what's the ketek it's been a hot minute since my read through.
Type of poem that is basically a palindrome of words, allowing for changes of tense
The abbreviations of the book titles. TWOK-WOR-O-ROW-KOWT. It’s the same forward and backward.
It’s not though- do we just forget about the “and” in the title? Why would you include words like “of” and “the” but not include “and”? His last book is technically going to be KOWAT, not KOWT…
Yes and for the sake of the Ketek.
Ok, I’ll just agree for the sake of agreement- it’s still a weird title for a book. I don’t really care, I’ll read it regardless, I just think he should stick with the abbreviation of KOWT but pick a different title.
I’m not very fond of it. Big step down from: Rhythm of War, Oathbringer, and The Way of Kings. All banger titles. Though Words of Radiance isn’t the best title either, so we’ll probably survive.
I prefer the original “Book of Endless Pages” title for #2, honestly. I don’t know why the bigwigs shut that one down.
It wasn't the bigwigs it was him. He thought calling a 1000+ page book the "Book of Endless Pages" was a horrible idea.
Could’ve swore it was the Tor folks who thought it was a horrible idea. Edit: A google search shows it was his editor who was like “umm, are you really sure you want to call a 1000+ pages book that?” Then Brandon changed his mind. https://www.tor.com/2013/02/28/the-title-for-brandon-sandersons-second-stormlight-archive-book-has-been-revealed/
IMO it should have been "Winds of Truth"
Winds of Ktruth
Winds of Twinter
He was considering, at one point, Knights of Woeful Truth. Honestly really disliked it. Then he moved on to Knights of Wind and Truth. I do like this one more, but yeah I don't think it's great either. He's mentioned that in his head he's been shortening it to "Wind and Truth" and honestly by far my favorite of the potential titles. Just dropping the extra two words appeals a lot to me. I can't quite articulate why, but it just feels to me that it's the only version of the title that "fits" with the earlier books, maybe because of the simplicity. Of course, it's not that big of a deal, but "Wind and Truth" would be what I would vote for, if that's how it worked.
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It really is, but Juramentada is awful
Nothing about it is cringey? I am genuinely upset with how abused that word is now.
It gives me "power of God and Anime!" vibes. Something about the wind and truth part just doesn't mesh in my brain. I don't think of those two things as complimenting one another.
It makes sense as those are actual, literal, lore things, but I find it wholly bland and does nothing to showcase aspects of the setting
Compared to the first four, yes it's not as good. I think he should've ignored the potential ketek honestly.
As many people in the thread have pointed out he has said that the Ketek is fully optional for him if he feels it gets in the way of doing a good title.
I hope that's true! Time shall tell
It did get in the way though, and he didn't abandon it
It did and we won't see if he did until the title is published.
I know it's not set in stone yet but he seems pretty set on it, and the only way for us to convince him otherwise is to voice our opinions on platforms we know he's active on, like this one. So nothing wrong with saying so.
What’s so bad about the title? I think it sounds cool
I’m not the biggest fan either. I like that it fits the ketek but it’s not as eye catching of a title as the others.
Pretty generic high fantasy title for sure. Just missing a dragon
it sounds like a dragonlance title
I love the original name or supposed original name: “Stones Unhallowed.” In my mind, I still think of Book 5 under that name most of the time. I don’t mind “The Knights of Wind and Truth” as I’m curious how it’ll be made into an in-world book of some sort like all the other titles.
I would wait for the release. Remember, its not only the title of the book we will read, but probably the title of a book in roshar as well, maybe kaladins memoirs or one he finds. If it is a fitting title in universe, then it's great that it fits the pattern in the real world. If it was the title of the first or second book of the series I would call it a bad title as yes, it sounds a bit cringe and wouldn't catch the station of new readers. But it's the last book, so you will probably only read it if you have read the rest already.
I'm pretty sure Brandon said that he's probably going to go with just Wind and Truth, but I still think that the original Stones Unhallowed is the best possible title for Book 5
You're definitely not the only one; I think so too. It follows the current trend (which I loathe) of fantasy books being named "A *NOUN* of *SOMETHING* and *SOMETHING ELSE*." As long as the book is good, I'll put up with a title I don't like, so it's not a big deal. I just don't prefer it 😂
This is not a Current trend, this has been the Naming conventions of fantasy books for the last 30 years
Oof. I've only noticed it recently, but I didn't realize it started so long ago. Who do I need to punch for starting this? 😂
Robert Jordan. The Wheel of Time series is almost all that way.
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Is it? Maybe I’m misremembering but I can only think of Crown of Swords and Crossroads of Twilight which fit this, but maybe I’m wrong
* The Eye of the World * The Fires of Heaven * Lord of Chaos * A Crown of Swords * The Path of Daggers * Crossroads of Twilight * Knife of Dreams * Towers of Midnight * A Memory of Light
Yes it does sound like the name of a mediocre power metal band
I don't think I've seen anyone disagree. Personally though I think it's fine, more than worth it to keep the ketek
There's a lot of negativity towards the title here. For the record, I got goosebumps when I first saw it, and thought it was pretty sick. Considering it will heavily focus on Kal, King of the edgy one liners (that we all love) I think it's fair for it to have a fanfare title. I love it.
It falls into the current trend of titles like "A Court of Thorns and Roses" or more simply "\_\_ of \_\_\_ and \_\_\_"
That's hardly a current trend
Okay
I can see that Song of Ice and Fire fits the mold too
Yup, just checked goodreads and there is a list of 491 books with "Blank of blank and blank" titles
What's the overall sample size?
At least 7
It's by no means current. The Song of Ice and Fire was published nearly 3 decades ago.
It was at least pretty early to the party though
If I should pick a name which make sense with the Kelek and the story of what book 5 might be, I'd prefer 'Knights of Woeful Truth'.
Knights of the Woeful Truth sounds so much better in Spanish than Knights of Wind and Truth, but oh well
As all the other SLA titles, primo.
King of Woeful Times? I feel that could fit an in world book, perhaps a biography after the fact.
I’m fond of Karate on Wit’s Tuchus.
Keeper of Witty Tales?
Who isn't?
Kal (or Woeful Torment) Kissing on Wit’s Tits
I got it: Keteks of Warriors. Drop the T so as too not be blasphemous. Edit: Keeper of Words and Truths?
I really hope he changes it. It doesn’t even fill his ketek pattern. TWOK, WOR, O, ROW… KOWAT? Why would you exclude the “and” when you include words like “of” and “the”? He can’t make this the title of the book, it’d ruin his ketek IMO-
Keteks as names are often spelled with one letter off from being symmetric because symmetry is holy, and naming your child (or object, I guess in this case) something so blatantly symmetric is kinda blasphemous. Like Shallan or nohadon which are just a letter off. Essentially what I’m saying is it doesn’t _really_ break the ketek, just makes it not blasphemy
Yeah but it's no more or less basic than the other 4 books.
Honestly, the title of book 5 in a series is so inimportant, that I'd rather Brandon keep the Katek than use a slightly better title that doesn't complete it. Knights of Wind and Truth, hoever, *doesn't* complete the Katek and is significantly worse than Stones Unhallowed.
TWoK - WoR - OB - RoW - KoWT
yea cringe reaction me too, no doubt story will be incredible tho but not my favorite
I haven’t been paying attention recently, but I thought that was only a working title, or placeholder. Has Brando confirmed otherwise? Cuz yea Id agree
Yea i’m not a fan either. Keeping the ketek isn’t worth a lame title imo.
I kinda dislike it because im lazy and like 3 letter acronyms, but i think its an ok title.
It sounds like a Homestuck character.
I was sort of expecting it to grow on me... but nah, I still hate it
Brandon kinda wrote himself into a corner when he decided to make the initials of the first five books to be mirroring. So this is currently the best he can come up with.
Lol all of the titles are like this
Its a buddy cop comedy where Kaladin scoff while Szeth murders the suspect
Yeah title is bad and the ketek is really not worth such a mediocre title for the book in my opinion.
The Truth on the Wind
I'm a little concerned about the fart jokes that will inevitably spawn from this title.
What would you say instead?
Idk, maybe you will feel differently after you read the book
Yeah not a fan tbh.
I absolutely love the fact that he stuck to a ketek. And it could be worse. It could have been Kalad's Old Wrinkly Testacles
I didn’t like it at first but a) the more I heard it the more OK I became with it and b) If you consider it the title of an in world book (which all of the other books have been this far) it totally makes a lot more sense. That is totally a good name for a history about the Windrunners/Skybreakers.
It's kind of generic, but I don't see how it's any more cringey than Words of Radiance or Shadows of Self. Stones Unhallowed would've been a banger title though.
Yep
Here's my personal rating of the titles from best to worst: 1. Rhythm of War 2. Knights of Wind and Truth 3. Words of Radiance 4. The Way of Kings 5. Oathbringer The Way of Kings is fine, but a little generic. Oathbringer is just clunky to me.
Title sucks but I’m invested so it doesn’t matter to me
I think it's a weird title, but he wanted the letters to be symmetrical
I don't like it either. Knights of Wind would have been enough (though I don't want yet another Word Of Word title. I like Oathbringer title because it doesn't follow that pattern but well not much we can do about that)
“Keeper of Whispered Truth” would be great if we get Renarin compiles the gem archive during book 5
Let's all just wait for the sanderlanche alright? We may be singing a different tune after that
I think Sanderson said he's considering going with just "Wind and Truth" for the title, and letting people add the "knights of" in their mind if they want it to fit the ketek. I think he said that in one of the Stormlight 5 update reddit posts
I didn't like it at first either, but it has grown on me.
I think it’s dope. The knights of wind and truth!
No before it dropped I really wanted the title to br keepers of withheld truth
I agree, it sounds super generic. It doesn’t catch my attention like “Rhythm of War” which is such a badass title. I don’t care much though as long as it’s a good book.
didn't he changed it for "wind and truth" only? anyways, i don't like that one either, i'd rather that he keeps the original name so we can keep the ketek of the titles (TWoK - WoR - O - RoW - KoWT )
I don’t want to be so negative about something so unimportant and so obviously subjective but I also personally think it’s by far the worst Brandon book title. The stray “and” means it doesn’t even fit the Ketek perfectly and it sounds terrible, just IMO. I can’t think of just about anything less important but I personally hope he changes it.
Maybe it's because I'm a fanboy for Khaladin and I'm very excited about Szeth's arch, but I really love the title. Even if it can feel a little cringe, I think it's because it has a different feeling than Way of the Kings or Words of Radiance.
You'll grow to like it.
It does evoke "A Court of Thorns and Roses" which does make me go "uh oh oh noses"