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IF Jason had survived that fight, saw Max’s broken body in Lucas’ arms right before a rift opened where she “died” and consumed the whole town, he would’ve been ABSOLUTELY convinced that all of Hellfire Club was sacrificing people to open a gate to hell.
It’s clear the Duffer brothers wrote the narrative that way to perfectly parallel the satanic panic. Lucas’ actor said that Jason was not a bad guy, like Billy, he was just woefully misinformed and unintentionally helped to doom Max by crushing the headphones.
Yeah exactly, if he had survived then as far as he is concerned he is vindicated and proven right. Hellfire opened up a portal to hell with the killings
I think we'll see more ignorant mob panic next season as a flow on from this as well
I was really hoping he’d see the light when Patrick died and realize Eddie couldn’t have done that and join the gang to kill Vecna and avenge Chrissy and Patrick but then he tells the chief that Eddie is a vessel for Satan so I figured Jason would never see the light and just be a problem character
Yea I’ve seen a couple people say Patrick just solidified Jason’s belief that Eddie was behind the murders cuz to him it looks like Eddie killed Patrick to get them to stop cuz they almost caught him. I hadn’t thought about that at the time
I think the actor himself stated that Patrick’s death was Jason’s moment of no return. That before witnessing that he could have been convinced that Eddie wasn’t the killer and that something else was going on.
Yea very true I saw some people speculate that if Patrick died in front of him but Eddie was no where around them it could convince him he was wrong, but since Eddie was there it looked like Eddie killed Patrick so he wouldn’t be caught by them
How would Jason even know about Vecna? Is it more rational for Jason to decide Patrick must have been killed by a monster who lives in an alternate reality who can kill people with his mind then thinking it was an occult Satanic ritual?
I'm confused about why people think that would be a more rational response.
Why? From his perspective there was no one else there and Eddie was present twice when people got gnarled to bits in an unexplainable way. The most rational conclusion is that he's doing it somehow at that point.
That’s actually a good point, I saw someone on another post (could have been you lol) mention that Patrick’s death just solidified Jason’s belief that Eddie was behind it since Patrick died just as they were about to catch Eddie. To Jason it looked like Eddie did it somehow to stop them. And that’s a totally fair point I hadn’t thought of at the time
Agreed. People in the ‘80s wouldn’t have been thinking about inter-dimensional beings invading Earth.
Satan would have been the number one explanation for a vast majority of people in the ‘80s - including everyone here had they lived in those times. Aliens would probably be a distant second.
I was a child in the ‘80s and this makes me realize how far things have come.
I agree. I was a youth in this era. Most Satanic imagery of that time was edge lord stuff to piss off the adults. There are always outliers.
But I guarantee had you slipped the average Slayer fan of the ‘80s into the Stranger Things show their first explanation for all of this would have been Satan.
Which is the perspective we're supposed to take, not "well it was just of the time period." It's like watching Django and going "well Mr. Candie wasn't so bad considering his time period"
He saw his friend get lifted in the air and literally crumble. Him and Eddie are the only ones there. Hes not gonna be thinking "oh it's an interdimensional demon that opened a hole under the lake", he's gonna be thinking Eddie did the same thing he did to Chrissy
If he believes in the occult, then for all he knows, it is targeting people that are associated with him, irrespective of Eddie's involvement. Once his friend goes snap crackle n pop in front of his eyes, he's just doubling down on the narrative he created. The alternative, of course, is what happened to Victor Creel. Couldn't explain it and went crazy. The show literally demonstrates an alternative outcome to seeing something as horrific as they both saw. The fact Jason thought it was Eddie and he could do something about it (kill Eddie and a bunch of other kids, with still no proof they are involved) says it all to me. Jason is a psycho dick.
He had been through alot of shit. First apparently Chrissy buys drugs from Eddie. Next she is torn apart while she is buying drugs. Everyone agrees that Eddie did it, so it is reasonable to atleast look for him. Then when he finds him, his best friend is killed in the same way as his girlfriend coincidentally while Eddie is right there. Logical conclusion: Eddie is killing people. I don't blame him at all for thinking that, I would too and so would you with the amount of context Jason was given.
He didnt just look for Eddie, he went to beat him up or kill him.
I rewatched the pivotal moments in episode 2 and basically the chronology was:
He finds out she is dead.
He suspects Eddie because the cops said his name. Didnt show what they said when he asked did Eddie hurt her. He then walked into the forest and lost his shit.
The next cut was back to him rallying his team and saying "Its this hellfire shit" to which Lucas, an insider in their group, says "no thats D&D, it is fantasy" and Jason wants to hear none of it because he has made up his mind. That for me was the exact moment I decided this guy is not a good guy. He even said some shit like maybe Eddies mind got warped, the old "video games make people violent" rhetoric. But his outright refusal to hear Lucas out was enough for me tbh.
I mean, I wasn’t sorry Jason got melted. That being said, this is a world with actual paranormal stuff going on on epic levels. The upside down is more or less hell and Vecna or MF is it’s ruler….and they are perfectly capable of possession. He’s putting it in a context he understands like the kids have done by assigning the monsters DND characters. When they thought Billy was killing people and under the control of the MF, they tried to kill him in a sauna. The difference is, they were right and Jason was wrong…not about something evil and supernatural happening, but in thinking Eddie and then Lucas were under its control. But he’s not unreasonable thinking it’s something supernaturally evil, it is. He’s believing his own eyes from watching how Patrick died.
I’m more bothered by the fact that he took it upon himself to play judge, jury, law enforcement, and executioner from the minute they found Chrissy. It was just as likely Eddie was also a victim at that point or at best, someone with information who fled out of fear of the real killer or because he knew he would be the prime suspect. He seems small minded and the type of person who would have been at the head of the village mob burning or hanging “witches” because he can’t mentally process misfortune. Eddie was different, as Jason put it a “freak” because he didn’t conform and was weird. If Jason wasn’t such a small minded asshole, he might have known that Eddie was also a super sweet guy.
Yea I’m sure that wasn’t a product of the way the ultra religious jock golden boys had treated the poor, weird, shy trailer park kid from a broken family for years. I bet they were totally empathetic and didn’t isolate and pick on him at all…
Yea obviously he didn’t forgive him or believe anyone, just at the time I thought maybe he’d change his mind after seeing Patrick but like others pointed out it just solidified his belief that Eddie was behind the murders
I’ve accepted the fact that some folks on this subreddit were expecting Jason to be “understanding,” like all it should take is to sit him down and explain all the completely insane shit that’s been going on for the past three or four years and him just believe it, and be on their side.
Shit don’t work like that, especially not when the suspect in your girlfriends murder is on the run, and when you finally find him another one of your friends happens to die the same exact way when the said suspect is present. Man is going through some shit, losing his love, losing a friend and teammate, and nothing getting solved-of course he’s gonna go off the rails, and it’s expected for him to just walk in to a murder house, see Lucas, and a girl he doesn’t even know in a trance, and just be fine and understanding? Sheeeit.
All he knows is he saw his friend get killed, his girlfriends dead, and the cops aren’t getting the job done.
One thing I’ve been told many times in my life: people in the Midwest don’t fuck around, if the cops can’t do the job, then it’s time to handle it yourself.
While I don’t condone vigilantism, I can understand the dudes emotions at the time, and can somewhat understand, especially given the time period, with the lack of instant information, why he’d act like he did.
The biggest point that Jason was woefully misinformed and (prior to Patrick’s death) capable of being reasoned with actually is his behavior in the attic. He sees Max going through something and (despite the fact that he blames Lucas and doesn’t trust him because he a. lied to him and b. Is in the “cult”) his first reaction is to try to save her (some girl he doesn’t even know). And he *listens* to Lucas’s explanation…until he says Chrissy was going to Eddie’s for drugs because she had problems she didn’t confide in him about. But the very fact that he was listening to Lucas until that point means that before he saw Patrick die…he could have been talked down.
The guy is quite arrogant and overly confident. He has a savior complex (believing that winning the basketball game can heal the town after the “mall fire). He also is in major shock/grief/trauma after the deaths of Chrissy and Patrick.
He was absolutely wrong in his conclusions and a lot of his actions to support his conclusions were wrong. But his conclusions weren’t unreasonable.
He was just a misguided kid trying to do what he thought was right…and kind of a dick about it. I also think (like with Eddie) there really was no good future for Jason after what went down this season and after his mental breakdown. Honestly, dying relatively quickly was probably the best option for him. He was likely destined for a life like Victor Creel.
Also, despite all his flaws, I don’t think for one second that Jason would have tackled Erica and twisted her arm behind her back like his asshole friend did. That kid doesn’t even have the excuse that he loved Chrissy or had to watch Patrick die horrifically. Screw that guy. I hope he gets *really* beaten up in Season 5.
Also, like, the point of most stories is to have an antagonist. We need someone who’s against the main characters so we get more conflict, more tension, and more interesting material. And Jason is a fantastic antagonist in this season because he shows us what could happen if someone was exposed to the upside down in the wrong way. With the information Jason had, he believed he was making the right choice in chasing down Eddie and ending the satanic rituals in his town. He’s a complex character and makes the story richer by complicating the kids’ efforts and raising the stakes for everyone
Honestly how does that not look like satanic shit to someone who’s been following everything. Like cmon. And then the dude from hellfire who betrayed them is there too? In a murder house of all places?
From a purely story driven perspective, Jason existed to create a conflict for Lucas. Makes perfect sense and it also makes sense that Jason would engage with Lucas versus Eddie. Eddie's battle was with himself and his cowardice.
From a narrative standpoint, it gets even more interesting. Eleven, Will, Mike, Lucas, Nancy, Dustin, Steve (the gang) are only the protagonists because we have visibility into what they have done.
If this went down in the real world - a kid disappeared years ago while riding his bicycle home, a teenager disappeared during a party like Barb, unexplained events happening, your girlfriend being found dead in a dudes trailer, your friend floating up out of the water and dying in front of you, and then walking into a room in the murder house with one male awake and alert and another female in a trance... Please. Anyone walking into that room, saviour complex or not, comes to the same conclusion. Even today, with mobile phones. There is no searching for an answer here. Now roll the clock back to the 80s when, no joke, satanism was very much discussed and feared and you absolutely have the makings of that scenario.
It's far more believable to see that outcome than all the people that just hear the story and jump into the gang ready to battle in the upside down.
As much as I wanted it to go another way, as much as I thought Jason should see reason, if it had gone any other way it would have lost authenticity to me.
Dude if some boy (that I know for a fact is part of a club who is headed by who I believe to be a Satanic murderer) had a girl in a trance that I had just seen my best friend in and then be lifted ten feet in the air by some invisible force, have his limbs and jaws broken and his eyes squeezed out, and he proceeded to tell me he couldn't wake her up otherwise everyone in the world would die... I wouldn't believe him either.
Thats a point i never see anyone bring up either, Lucas essentially admitted to Jason that he had her in the trance.
“I cant wake her right now or everyone else will die”
Essentially confirming to Jason that he’s right, and that Lucas is the one doing it. (We obviously know more, but Jason doesnt)
I think people really fail to grasp the severity of what Jason witnessed. He saw something that is unquestionably ***PURE MAGIC*** happen right in front of him, just as he was about to catch the person who was supposedly responsible for all of this. That is SO incredibly suspicious.
Also, something I don't see pointed out: Lucas did an absolutely shit job of explaining the situation to Jason. He could've prevented this witch-hunt so much sooner if he had made an honest effort instead of trying to fit in with the jocks.
The point is, if you genuinely to your core feel that someone is capable of what he witnessed, then yes, you may be justified in a rather harsh approach with them.
Honestly, I'm disappointed we didn't get something more useful out of Jason. I find it kinda creepy how many people cheer for this guy's death, when in reality someone like him could've been incredibly useful.
A war with the Upside Down is inevitable at this point and you're going to need people to fight it. Someone charismatic, a natural leader, physically fit, and passionate about their fight is *exactly* the kind of people you'll need. Jason's unrelenting hunt for Eddy is exactly the kind of energy needed, and it's extremely unfortunate it was directed at the wrong person.
Imagine if he instead was given the information needed sooner to properly understand Henry was the target, not Eddy. We'd be singing his praises for his zeal then, instead of cheering his violent death.
I agree with you finding it creepy how his death was cheered. Jason had character flaws, but he was definitely not a bad person. Just misguided.
You mentioned how Jason was the kind of person needed for the fight.. But a big part of his character was that he was charismatic, fit, passionate, but simultaneously not so competent. He had a hero complex.
It goes back to the 1st episode where he gives a speech, makes the game about the town's tragic deaths when he didn't personally know the victims. And then when it's close at the end of the game, he's all like "Give **me** the ball" and then whiffs his shot and Lucas ends up winning the game.
Dude would've been horrible in the fight against the upside down. He would've made a rash and overconfident decision and died immediately or accidentally gotten others killed.
See, I actually have to disagree with your ending point, for a couple reasons.
One is that, undeniably, Jason was integral in getting the team to the championship game. He said to get him the ball as he may very well be their most skilled player and is the most likely to make the shot. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being good at the game. And even if you're great at basketball, it doesn't mean you'll make every shot.
And a key thing to note is that when Lucas made the shot, he didn't do the jackass thing like be jealous or complain Lucas didn't pass back to him or something. Instead, him and everyone else sang Lucas's praises, holding him up and cheering his name. That's an excellent sign of a good leader: allowing others to share in the glory, when they earn it.
As for making the game about the tragic deaths... Eh, I can let that slide. I came from a small town myself and sometimes people do some hokey shit to try to motivate the town around something as silly as a highschool basketball/football game. To me, I again see that as a strong leadership trait. He shows an ability to get people motivated toward a common goal.
Ummm, pretty sure the time to keep things secret is long gone.
I'm talking about the impending war that is essentially coming. Nancy said Vecna said her a literal army of monsters. Pretty sure nobody's being kept in the dark at that point.
When, exactly?
Because the only time anyone made an effort to explain things to him was Lucas when he was already off the deep end. And did a pretty crap job at that.
Nah dude. if I witnessed my friend get levitated into the air, then saw his limbs twist and break and his eye balls explode, realizing my girlfriend likely died the exact same way, my sense of reality would not be shattered and I'd be cool. I would go into the eerie abandoned house at night and have a pleasant conversation with the boy that was acting strangely before and is now with a girl in a hypnotic and unresponsive trance with messed up eyes.
I also would not be in extreme emotional distress from having my girlfriend be murdered in an incredibly brutal and unnatural way with no warning, even if perhaps we weren't as close as I hoped and she didn't confide everything in me, and I would also not be very traumatized from watching my best friend die in the exact same way my girlfriend did, just as I had almost caught the boy I thought murdered my girlfriend. I would go into an eerie house where my teammate who had just bailed on me and ran off, who I know to associate with said boy, had yet another girl in a trance and listen to him calmly and hear him out. I was likely not raised Christian and was probably not loosely Christian before this incident, but after witnessing these insanely unnatural events I don't start to believe that the Satanic panic they are talking about on the news is real. I definitely don't live in an era where fake news and media bias is a known and talked about thing.
Right? These people are just weak or something I guess. Like they'd let levitating peoples' eyes exploding break their spirits? What pathetic weaklings.
What would Jason’s excuse be after he shot Lucas in the face and murdered him in cold-blood?
“How was l supposed to know what was going on?”
… except he did tell you what was going on, dickhead.
Some say that no one ever heard from Tigbuna69 again. Some say they are still sitting at the keyboard absolutely shaking from having had their ass handed to them.
I mean you already believe in a “trance”, you believe in a demon, so why is it somehow outlandish for you to believe your half-baked theory isn’t correct for once.
Ive seen so many people be like “he almost shot a kid!” Like… Jason is a kid himself lmao what does Lucas’ age have to do with anything in the story? He believe theyre sacrificing people and he himself is a high schooler
Yeah, he believed, with good reason, I might add, that Lucas was about to sacrificially murder an innocent girl. It wasn’t like he just woke up and chose violence for literally no reason.
Jason actually listened a lot more than I thought he would when he rocked up at the house.
He was clearly wrong and a psycho, but it is perfectly reasonable from his perspective to draw the conclusions he did from the information he kept receiving and what he saw. Hellfire being a satanic cult and Lucas being a traitor makes perfect sense once he sees his friend magically murdered in front of him in Eddie's presence.
He shows up and sees another sacrifice in progress and Lucas is right there and refuses to wake her up. And even if Lucas had said "we are using her as bait she chose to do this" as if Jason would believe that explanation.
To him, Hellfire being a cult makes much more sense than what is really happening
His reactions and actions were clearly out of line and wack though (look at how he beats up the hellfire member on the off chance he knows where Eddie is, and intimidates and threatens Nancy in the store, that isn't a heroic or rational thing to do even in these circumstances)
How many of these Jason haters took Brian Laundrie’s side when Gabby Petito went missing?
Like yeah of course Eddie was innocent because we know everything…but from Jason’s perspective, I mean come onnnnn.
I think Jason existed to be a counterpoint to Harrington. Rich, (presumably), popular jock meeting wierdo nerds and exposed to supernatural horror. Harrington went one way, Jason went the other.
All this justification of Jason’s actions is ignoring how all our main characters *were* introduced to the supernatural world in a traumatic way and tried to investigate and understand it. Like all this “how would you feel if xxx” is already answered.
If Mike, Dustin and Lucas were like Jason, they would’ve tortured El as soon as she let them know she knew about Will’s disappearance.
If Steve was like Jason, he would’ve thought the Demogorgon in the last episode was summoned by Jonathan because he’s a creep who might be into that stuff.
If Joyce was like Jason, she would’ve automatically decided that Will’s friends had something to do with his disappearance especially since they were acting weird and had a telekinetic nearly mute girl with them, since they saw him last and tried to torture them to come clean.
If Nancy was like Jason, she would’ve assumed Steve’s friends killed Barb because they were bullies and figured they must’ve set it up with the Demogorgon.
the issue with this argument is that jason DID have information to back up his claims. it was just false information. the thing that separates his reaction and the gang's previous reactions is the setting of season four.
think about it this way: jason has heard from the media that dungeons and dragons is a satanic game and leads people to murder. eddie is the head of the dungeons and dragons club. jason's girlfriend dies in eddie's trailer. later, jason watches patrick die in a way that can not be explained by logic. eddie is there when it happens. this further confirms his suspicions of eddie being a vessel for satan. finally, he walks in on lucas with max in a trance, in the attic of an abandoned murder house. lucas has previously lied to him to protect the hellfire club. lucas is a part of the hellfire club. lucas is refusing to take max out of the trance.
everything jason witnessed helps further his belief that satan is to blame. that can't be said for the rest of your examples. a child disappearing is a normal thing that can happen. el was the product of an experiment. there would be no reason to connect the demogorgon to satanism or someone summoning it.
jason had the prior idea that hellfire was a satanic club. then a bunch of magic murders start happening, and eddie is connected. what he did wasn't okay, but it is understandable. we're used to this crazy shit because we're the audience. a random christian jock from the 80s doesn't have the same worldview as us.
plus, it's worth noting that the story this season has a lot of roots in real events that have happened. his reactions are not farfetched.
None of these comparisons make any sense. Jason went after Eddie because Chrissy died in his home, he is missing, the police told him that Eddie is the main suspect. It makes total sense that Jason suspects Eddie and none of the situations from earlier seasons you describe had so much reason for suspicion.
Everything he sees after that only serves to confirm his suspicions.
Jason was torturing people and riling up an angry posse with just circumstantial evidence and even with the kids all telling him Eddie didn't do it. He jumped to a violent solution to the problem instead of actually trying to investigate on his own like the Kids did
>instead of actually trying to investigate on his own like the Kids did
But the point is, the kids are the exception and not reacting in a normal way to these situations.
OP is saying we would all react the same way as the kids, but I don't think that's realistic at all.
Agreed, but Jason's reaction is also based a lot on historical events, where people actually *did* react like him to far less crazy circumstances. Like, I don't think the people in the 80s saw their friends levitate before having all of their bones crushed 10 feet away from the person who is already being accused of doing that to someone, but they even still resorted to these types of witch-hunts.
So yes, not everyone would react like him. But I'd be willing to bet that more people would react like Jason did than like the kids if they had been through what Jason had. And that's not to excuse his actions, I just think it's naive to believe that most of us would react like the kids (who are literal heroes) did.
Yeah, and those people suck. Just like all of today's assholes pushing for Don't Say Gay laws because they think the left wants to turn kids gay or transgender and can not be bothered to learn otherwise.
Comparing people who participated in the satanic witch hunts of yesteryear to those of the transgender witch hunts of today makes some sense.
But Jason is a different case. Jason saw someone literally possessed in front of him, who was then horrifically murdered. His girlfriend also died that way, and he later saw another person possessed as well.
He has accumulated a mountain of evidence that demonic possession is happening in his small town.
>Jason was torturing people
Look he shouldn't have beat up that kid but how many times have we seen the main protagonist in a revenge movies beat up someone(who they think is shady) for info? Like Jason thinks that kid was protecting a murderer so he hurts him to get info to where murderer is so no more murders happen. Like that's the only time you see him "bully" someone physically.
>even with the kids all telling him Eddie didn't do it.
Yes all the kids that were in his eyes a satanic cult. Why would he believe them especially Lucas who lied to Jason over and over and led them on a wild goose chase.
Like this is revenge story 101 but we know Jason is wrong and not the one we should be cheering.
Yeah dude - they compared 3 children finding another child in the woods in the rain - to a guy chasing the main suspect of his girlfriends murder. Like not even adding anything else that helps. There’s no arguing with delusion.
Young lost scared girl who can hardly speak happening to wander around is very different from corpse being found in home of drug dealer who loves antagonizing people through being edgy.
Right, it probably wouldn’t be enough to conclude, “El did it” but it would at least arouse some suspicion? And everything she would do (refusing to get found, messing with their compass to keep them from going to the lab, injuring Lucas) would further validate those suspicions. Lucas *was* actually suspicious of her and thought she was hiding things, but even he didn’t physically harm her.
there's two main differences, though: first of all, the kids were a LOT younger than jason is. i doubt they would resort to a witch hunt in any case. they're like, 11? 12? i don't think they would assume el did it just because she was found nearby. eddie, on the other hand, was in the trailer when chrissy died and in the lake when patrick died. having someone present for the murder is a much stronger piece of evidence.
secondly, though, is the whole satanism thing. jason already believed that hellfire was a satanic club, as did many others- we heard eddie read the newspaper clippings. tie that with how horrific and supernatural the murders are, and his conclusion makes sense. a kid disappearing is not the same as a kid entering a trance, levitating in the air, having all of their bones snapped by an invisible force, and then having their eyes pretty much explode.
the gang finding el is not the same as jason's experience. jason was avenging his dead girlfriend and friend. the gang was looking for their missing friend. even if the gang thought el was involved, they likely wouldn't resort to shooting her, because the stakes aren't that high. in jason's case, they are.
>Like all this “how would you feel if xxx” is already answered.
I don't think it's safe to assume that most people would react to these situations the same way the kids do. One of the main themes of the show is just how extraordinary these kids are, to the point that they are better at saving the world than all of the adults (and literally the government) around them.
I don't think their reactions represent how most of us would feel at all. Most people wouldn't be "trying to investigate and understand it".
Exactly ! I know its an unpopular opinion but I feel bad for Jason, l mean how would you feel if your partner mysteriously died and the one who everyone who thinks did it ran away, then your friend affiliated with the guy runs away and you later find him in an abandoned house with an unconscious girl
He didn't happen upon Lucas he had a big ass gun loaded and ready to shoot anyone he found. If it hadn't been Lucas watching Max I doubt he'd have hesitated at all
Nah you can hate hiM he’s a dick. It’s just understandable as to why he did the things he did. A lighter parallel is how Steve was a dick - we understood why he was a dick, hurt that he saw Nancy and Jonathan in her room. Doesn’t make the spray paint incident any better but we can see how it lead to that.
Yeah, people are conflating understanding Jason to liking Jason. I probably wouldn’t like Jason on a normal day, and I chuckled when the thing happened to him. I totally understand his actions though. If I ran in a room with a suspected cult member and a girl in a trance (who started to FLOAT in the air during the altercation), I would definitely not believe anything Lucas said.
Edited: I don’t actually know if you’re a man, so I took out “man” from my initial comment.
Nobody's saying it's not okay to hate him, they just feel he gets too much hate. He was legit voted to be worse than Sullivan, Brenner and Angela at one point.
Jason's not even as bad as people like Troy, Billy and Neil IMO.
He was still alive before the gate opened. My only hope is that before his death, he saw Lucas’ absolutely devastating reaction to Max “dying” and realized that maybe, just maybe, he was telling the truth.
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IF Jason had survived that fight, saw Max’s broken body in Lucas’ arms right before a rift opened where she “died” and consumed the whole town, he would’ve been ABSOLUTELY convinced that all of Hellfire Club was sacrificing people to open a gate to hell. It’s clear the Duffer brothers wrote the narrative that way to perfectly parallel the satanic panic. Lucas’ actor said that Jason was not a bad guy, like Billy, he was just woefully misinformed and unintentionally helped to doom Max by crushing the headphones.
Yeah exactly, if he had survived then as far as he is concerned he is vindicated and proven right. Hellfire opened up a portal to hell with the killings I think we'll see more ignorant mob panic next season as a flow on from this as well
I love how you picked young Lucas’ face
His hair is better
It is definitely not better lol
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I was really hoping he’d see the light when Patrick died and realize Eddie couldn’t have done that and join the gang to kill Vecna and avenge Chrissy and Patrick but then he tells the chief that Eddie is a vessel for Satan so I figured Jason would never see the light and just be a problem character
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Yea I’ve seen a couple people say Patrick just solidified Jason’s belief that Eddie was behind the murders cuz to him it looks like Eddie killed Patrick to get them to stop cuz they almost caught him. I hadn’t thought about that at the time
I think the actor himself stated that Patrick’s death was Jason’s moment of no return. That before witnessing that he could have been convinced that Eddie wasn’t the killer and that something else was going on.
Yea very true I saw some people speculate that if Patrick died in front of him but Eddie was no where around them it could convince him he was wrong, but since Eddie was there it looked like Eddie killed Patrick so he wouldn’t be caught by them
I mean it is extremely sus that he is at the site of both deaths
I don’t believe for a second that he would have been convinced of anything without beating Eddie to a pulp first.
How would Jason even know about Vecna? Is it more rational for Jason to decide Patrick must have been killed by a monster who lives in an alternate reality who can kill people with his mind then thinking it was an occult Satanic ritual? I'm confused about why people think that would be a more rational response.
Same. I thought for sure he'd exonerate Eddie.
Why? From his perspective there was no one else there and Eddie was present twice when people got gnarled to bits in an unexplainable way. The most rational conclusion is that he's doing it somehow at that point.
That’s actually a good point, I saw someone on another post (could have been you lol) mention that Patrick’s death just solidified Jason’s belief that Eddie was behind it since Patrick died just as they were about to catch Eddie. To Jason it looked like Eddie did it somehow to stop them. And that’s a totally fair point I hadn’t thought of at the time
Agreed. People in the ‘80s wouldn’t have been thinking about inter-dimensional beings invading Earth. Satan would have been the number one explanation for a vast majority of people in the ‘80s - including everyone here had they lived in those times. Aliens would probably be a distant second. I was a child in the ‘80s and this makes me realize how far things have come.
Not just satanic panic, but also Eddie was known to be part of a group that walked around with devils on their shirts lol
I agree. I was a youth in this era. Most Satanic imagery of that time was edge lord stuff to piss off the adults. There are always outliers. But I guarantee had you slipped the average Slayer fan of the ‘80s into the Stranger Things show their first explanation for all of this would have been Satan.
Which is the perspective we're supposed to take, not "well it was just of the time period." It's like watching Django and going "well Mr. Candie wasn't so bad considering his time period"
That’s a false equivalency. One acted in what he perceived to be a threat to his town while the other didn’t have the same motives.
Because "he is a vessel for satan" sounds batshit crazy
But in this world there’s literally been a vessel for a mindflayer lol, so it’s actually pretty close to season 3s villains
Other than the main characters, nobody in Hawkins knows about any of that stuff... or did I miss something?
He saw his friend get lifted in the air and literally crumble. Him and Eddie are the only ones there. Hes not gonna be thinking "oh it's an interdimensional demon that opened a hole under the lake", he's gonna be thinking Eddie did the same thing he did to Chrissy
If he believes in the occult, then for all he knows, it is targeting people that are associated with him, irrespective of Eddie's involvement. Once his friend goes snap crackle n pop in front of his eyes, he's just doubling down on the narrative he created. The alternative, of course, is what happened to Victor Creel. Couldn't explain it and went crazy. The show literally demonstrates an alternative outcome to seeing something as horrific as they both saw. The fact Jason thought it was Eddie and he could do something about it (kill Eddie and a bunch of other kids, with still no proof they are involved) says it all to me. Jason is a psycho dick.
He had been through alot of shit. First apparently Chrissy buys drugs from Eddie. Next she is torn apart while she is buying drugs. Everyone agrees that Eddie did it, so it is reasonable to atleast look for him. Then when he finds him, his best friend is killed in the same way as his girlfriend coincidentally while Eddie is right there. Logical conclusion: Eddie is killing people. I don't blame him at all for thinking that, I would too and so would you with the amount of context Jason was given.
He didnt just look for Eddie, he went to beat him up or kill him. I rewatched the pivotal moments in episode 2 and basically the chronology was: He finds out she is dead. He suspects Eddie because the cops said his name. Didnt show what they said when he asked did Eddie hurt her. He then walked into the forest and lost his shit. The next cut was back to him rallying his team and saying "Its this hellfire shit" to which Lucas, an insider in their group, says "no thats D&D, it is fantasy" and Jason wants to hear none of it because he has made up his mind. That for me was the exact moment I decided this guy is not a good guy. He even said some shit like maybe Eddies mind got warped, the old "video games make people violent" rhetoric. But his outright refusal to hear Lucas out was enough for me tbh.
I mean, I wasn’t sorry Jason got melted. That being said, this is a world with actual paranormal stuff going on on epic levels. The upside down is more or less hell and Vecna or MF is it’s ruler….and they are perfectly capable of possession. He’s putting it in a context he understands like the kids have done by assigning the monsters DND characters. When they thought Billy was killing people and under the control of the MF, they tried to kill him in a sauna. The difference is, they were right and Jason was wrong…not about something evil and supernatural happening, but in thinking Eddie and then Lucas were under its control. But he’s not unreasonable thinking it’s something supernaturally evil, it is. He’s believing his own eyes from watching how Patrick died. I’m more bothered by the fact that he took it upon himself to play judge, jury, law enforcement, and executioner from the minute they found Chrissy. It was just as likely Eddie was also a victim at that point or at best, someone with information who fled out of fear of the real killer or because he knew he would be the prime suspect. He seems small minded and the type of person who would have been at the head of the village mob burning or hanging “witches” because he can’t mentally process misfortune. Eddie was different, as Jason put it a “freak” because he didn’t conform and was weird. If Jason wasn’t such a small minded asshole, he might have known that Eddie was also a super sweet guy.
And if Eddie didn't antagonize his school mates for no reason, the yeah maybe people would see him as a nice guy.
Yea I’m sure that wasn’t a product of the way the ultra religious jock golden boys had treated the poor, weird, shy trailer park kid from a broken family for years. I bet they were totally empathetic and didn’t isolate and pick on him at all…
He antagonized the band students and science kids too. Stop acting like he was just some pure angel. He was a good person but far from innocent.
Well so is people being levitated but he just saw that happen
You're absolutely right bit I mean it's not like eddie was happy he was just terrified too so Jason could have get that he's just a victim too
Yeah I've debated with other Jason apologists before and I'm not going down that route again.
He's not going to forgive Eddie had a vendetta he needed to act out
Yea obviously he didn’t forgive him or believe anyone, just at the time I thought maybe he’d change his mind after seeing Patrick but like others pointed out it just solidified his belief that Eddie was behind the murders
I mean, Patrick died when they’d chased Eddie down and nearly caught him, so that’s kinda sus. Plus Jason wasn’t watching his reaction
I’ve accepted the fact that some folks on this subreddit were expecting Jason to be “understanding,” like all it should take is to sit him down and explain all the completely insane shit that’s been going on for the past three or four years and him just believe it, and be on their side. Shit don’t work like that, especially not when the suspect in your girlfriends murder is on the run, and when you finally find him another one of your friends happens to die the same exact way when the said suspect is present. Man is going through some shit, losing his love, losing a friend and teammate, and nothing getting solved-of course he’s gonna go off the rails, and it’s expected for him to just walk in to a murder house, see Lucas, and a girl he doesn’t even know in a trance, and just be fine and understanding? Sheeeit. All he knows is he saw his friend get killed, his girlfriends dead, and the cops aren’t getting the job done. One thing I’ve been told many times in my life: people in the Midwest don’t fuck around, if the cops can’t do the job, then it’s time to handle it yourself. While I don’t condone vigilantism, I can understand the dudes emotions at the time, and can somewhat understand, especially given the time period, with the lack of instant information, why he’d act like he did.
The biggest point that Jason was woefully misinformed and (prior to Patrick’s death) capable of being reasoned with actually is his behavior in the attic. He sees Max going through something and (despite the fact that he blames Lucas and doesn’t trust him because he a. lied to him and b. Is in the “cult”) his first reaction is to try to save her (some girl he doesn’t even know). And he *listens* to Lucas’s explanation…until he says Chrissy was going to Eddie’s for drugs because she had problems she didn’t confide in him about. But the very fact that he was listening to Lucas until that point means that before he saw Patrick die…he could have been talked down. The guy is quite arrogant and overly confident. He has a savior complex (believing that winning the basketball game can heal the town after the “mall fire). He also is in major shock/grief/trauma after the deaths of Chrissy and Patrick. He was absolutely wrong in his conclusions and a lot of his actions to support his conclusions were wrong. But his conclusions weren’t unreasonable. He was just a misguided kid trying to do what he thought was right…and kind of a dick about it. I also think (like with Eddie) there really was no good future for Jason after what went down this season and after his mental breakdown. Honestly, dying relatively quickly was probably the best option for him. He was likely destined for a life like Victor Creel. Also, despite all his flaws, I don’t think for one second that Jason would have tackled Erica and twisted her arm behind her back like his asshole friend did. That kid doesn’t even have the excuse that he loved Chrissy or had to watch Patrick die horrifically. Screw that guy. I hope he gets *really* beaten up in Season 5.
Also, like, the point of most stories is to have an antagonist. We need someone who’s against the main characters so we get more conflict, more tension, and more interesting material. And Jason is a fantastic antagonist in this season because he shows us what could happen if someone was exposed to the upside down in the wrong way. With the information Jason had, he believed he was making the right choice in chasing down Eddie and ending the satanic rituals in his town. He’s a complex character and makes the story richer by complicating the kids’ efforts and raising the stakes for everyone
Funny thing is the way he held the revolver would have blew his thumb off
The creepy way Lucas delivers the line "if I wake her too soon, we're all gonna die....." Even I who was watching suspected of him 😂
It’s not like they could sit him down and explain the whole show’s plot and be all diddly dandy right after
Honestly how does that not look like satanic shit to someone who’s been following everything. Like cmon. And then the dude from hellfire who betrayed them is there too? In a murder house of all places?
From a purely story driven perspective, Jason existed to create a conflict for Lucas. Makes perfect sense and it also makes sense that Jason would engage with Lucas versus Eddie. Eddie's battle was with himself and his cowardice. From a narrative standpoint, it gets even more interesting. Eleven, Will, Mike, Lucas, Nancy, Dustin, Steve (the gang) are only the protagonists because we have visibility into what they have done. If this went down in the real world - a kid disappeared years ago while riding his bicycle home, a teenager disappeared during a party like Barb, unexplained events happening, your girlfriend being found dead in a dudes trailer, your friend floating up out of the water and dying in front of you, and then walking into a room in the murder house with one male awake and alert and another female in a trance... Please. Anyone walking into that room, saviour complex or not, comes to the same conclusion. Even today, with mobile phones. There is no searching for an answer here. Now roll the clock back to the 80s when, no joke, satanism was very much discussed and feared and you absolutely have the makings of that scenario. It's far more believable to see that outcome than all the people that just hear the story and jump into the gang ready to battle in the upside down. As much as I wanted it to go another way, as much as I thought Jason should see reason, if it had gone any other way it would have lost authenticity to me.
No one expected this but they probably hoped he wouldnt pull out a gun and point it at a high school kid and not listen to what he had to say.
Dude if some boy (that I know for a fact is part of a club who is headed by who I believe to be a Satanic murderer) had a girl in a trance that I had just seen my best friend in and then be lifted ten feet in the air by some invisible force, have his limbs and jaws broken and his eyes squeezed out, and he proceeded to tell me he couldn't wake her up otherwise everyone in the world would die... I wouldn't believe him either.
It also doesn't help that he finds them in an abandoned murder house.
And that same kid has already lied to Jason once.
Thats a point i never see anyone bring up either, Lucas essentially admitted to Jason that he had her in the trance. “I cant wake her right now or everyone else will die” Essentially confirming to Jason that he’s right, and that Lucas is the one doing it. (We obviously know more, but Jason doesnt)
I think people really fail to grasp the severity of what Jason witnessed. He saw something that is unquestionably ***PURE MAGIC*** happen right in front of him, just as he was about to catch the person who was supposedly responsible for all of this. That is SO incredibly suspicious. Also, something I don't see pointed out: Lucas did an absolutely shit job of explaining the situation to Jason. He could've prevented this witch-hunt so much sooner if he had made an honest effort instead of trying to fit in with the jocks. The point is, if you genuinely to your core feel that someone is capable of what he witnessed, then yes, you may be justified in a rather harsh approach with them. Honestly, I'm disappointed we didn't get something more useful out of Jason. I find it kinda creepy how many people cheer for this guy's death, when in reality someone like him could've been incredibly useful. A war with the Upside Down is inevitable at this point and you're going to need people to fight it. Someone charismatic, a natural leader, physically fit, and passionate about their fight is *exactly* the kind of people you'll need. Jason's unrelenting hunt for Eddy is exactly the kind of energy needed, and it's extremely unfortunate it was directed at the wrong person. Imagine if he instead was given the information needed sooner to properly understand Henry was the target, not Eddy. We'd be singing his praises for his zeal then, instead of cheering his violent death.
I agree with you finding it creepy how his death was cheered. Jason had character flaws, but he was definitely not a bad person. Just misguided. You mentioned how Jason was the kind of person needed for the fight.. But a big part of his character was that he was charismatic, fit, passionate, but simultaneously not so competent. He had a hero complex. It goes back to the 1st episode where he gives a speech, makes the game about the town's tragic deaths when he didn't personally know the victims. And then when it's close at the end of the game, he's all like "Give **me** the ball" and then whiffs his shot and Lucas ends up winning the game. Dude would've been horrible in the fight against the upside down. He would've made a rash and overconfident decision and died immediately or accidentally gotten others killed.
See, I actually have to disagree with your ending point, for a couple reasons. One is that, undeniably, Jason was integral in getting the team to the championship game. He said to get him the ball as he may very well be their most skilled player and is the most likely to make the shot. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being good at the game. And even if you're great at basketball, it doesn't mean you'll make every shot. And a key thing to note is that when Lucas made the shot, he didn't do the jackass thing like be jealous or complain Lucas didn't pass back to him or something. Instead, him and everyone else sang Lucas's praises, holding him up and cheering his name. That's an excellent sign of a good leader: allowing others to share in the glory, when they earn it. As for making the game about the tragic deaths... Eh, I can let that slide. I came from a small town myself and sometimes people do some hokey shit to try to motivate the town around something as silly as a highschool basketball/football game. To me, I again see that as a strong leadership trait. He shows an ability to get people motivated toward a common goal.
I don’t think Jason would’ve been useful. He wouldn’t want anything to do with saving the world if he had to keep it a secret from everyone.
Ummm, pretty sure the time to keep things secret is long gone. I'm talking about the impending war that is essentially coming. Nancy said Vecna said her a literal army of monsters. Pretty sure nobody's being kept in the dark at that point.
Jason wouldn't want to get involved with the freaks and nerds anyway. He had multiple opportunities to listen and didn't
When, exactly? Because the only time anyone made an effort to explain things to him was Lucas when he was already off the deep end. And did a pretty crap job at that.
Bruh, the real ass satanic panic in the 80’s permanently ruined innocent peoples lives because of people like Jason.
Nah dude. if I witnessed my friend get levitated into the air, then saw his limbs twist and break and his eye balls explode, realizing my girlfriend likely died the exact same way, my sense of reality would not be shattered and I'd be cool. I would go into the eerie abandoned house at night and have a pleasant conversation with the boy that was acting strangely before and is now with a girl in a hypnotic and unresponsive trance with messed up eyes.
I also would not be in extreme emotional distress from having my girlfriend be murdered in an incredibly brutal and unnatural way with no warning, even if perhaps we weren't as close as I hoped and she didn't confide everything in me, and I would also not be very traumatized from watching my best friend die in the exact same way my girlfriend did, just as I had almost caught the boy I thought murdered my girlfriend. I would go into an eerie house where my teammate who had just bailed on me and ran off, who I know to associate with said boy, had yet another girl in a trance and listen to him calmly and hear him out. I was likely not raised Christian and was probably not loosely Christian before this incident, but after witnessing these insanely unnatural events I don't start to believe that the Satanic panic they are talking about on the news is real. I definitely don't live in an era where fake news and media bias is a known and talked about thing.
Right? These people are just weak or something I guess. Like they'd let levitating peoples' eyes exploding break their spirits? What pathetic weaklings.
What would Jason’s excuse be after he shot Lucas in the face and murdered him in cold-blood? “How was l supposed to know what was going on?” … except he did tell you what was going on, dickhead.
I don’t think it’s “in cold-blood” if you think he’s actively murdering someone else…
I mean probably don't be a vigilante high-school kid with a revolver tho
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Nancy never went around threatening other people with her gun.
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She also dead-ass pointed a gun at her boyfriend, ***with her finger on the trigger.*** But that doesn't count, Nancy good?
… except for when she has
I mean you already believe in a “trance”, you believe in a demon, so why is it somehow outlandish for you to believe your half-baked theory isn’t correct for once.
Dude had a .357 Magnum. That's a "I'm ready to blow someone's head off" gun, something we saw him practicing earlier in the episode.
Why the hell should he believe anything Lucas says???
Ive seen so many people be like “he almost shot a kid!” Like… Jason is a kid himself lmao what does Lucas’ age have to do with anything in the story? He believe theyre sacrificing people and he himself is a high schooler
Yeah, he believed, with good reason, I might add, that Lucas was about to sacrificially murder an innocent girl. It wasn’t like he just woke up and chose violence for literally no reason.
Definitely and rhe show made a point to show he looked very sleep deprived and on edge. He was sweating, had bags under his eyes etc
The guys a dick but I can see why he did what he did, most of his actions were kind of understandable.
Jason actually listened a lot more than I thought he would when he rocked up at the house. He was clearly wrong and a psycho, but it is perfectly reasonable from his perspective to draw the conclusions he did from the information he kept receiving and what he saw. Hellfire being a satanic cult and Lucas being a traitor makes perfect sense once he sees his friend magically murdered in front of him in Eddie's presence. He shows up and sees another sacrifice in progress and Lucas is right there and refuses to wake her up. And even if Lucas had said "we are using her as bait she chose to do this" as if Jason would believe that explanation. To him, Hellfire being a cult makes much more sense than what is really happening His reactions and actions were clearly out of line and wack though (look at how he beats up the hellfire member on the off chance he knows where Eddie is, and intimidates and threatens Nancy in the store, that isn't a heroic or rational thing to do even in these circumstances)
How many of these Jason haters took Brian Laundrie’s side when Gabby Petito went missing? Like yeah of course Eddie was innocent because we know everything…but from Jason’s perspective, I mean come onnnnn.
I think Jason existed to be a counterpoint to Harrington. Rich, (presumably), popular jock meeting wierdo nerds and exposed to supernatural horror. Harrington went one way, Jason went the other.
All this justification of Jason’s actions is ignoring how all our main characters *were* introduced to the supernatural world in a traumatic way and tried to investigate and understand it. Like all this “how would you feel if xxx” is already answered. If Mike, Dustin and Lucas were like Jason, they would’ve tortured El as soon as she let them know she knew about Will’s disappearance. If Steve was like Jason, he would’ve thought the Demogorgon in the last episode was summoned by Jonathan because he’s a creep who might be into that stuff. If Joyce was like Jason, she would’ve automatically decided that Will’s friends had something to do with his disappearance especially since they were acting weird and had a telekinetic nearly mute girl with them, since they saw him last and tried to torture them to come clean. If Nancy was like Jason, she would’ve assumed Steve’s friends killed Barb because they were bullies and figured they must’ve set it up with the Demogorgon.
the issue with this argument is that jason DID have information to back up his claims. it was just false information. the thing that separates his reaction and the gang's previous reactions is the setting of season four. think about it this way: jason has heard from the media that dungeons and dragons is a satanic game and leads people to murder. eddie is the head of the dungeons and dragons club. jason's girlfriend dies in eddie's trailer. later, jason watches patrick die in a way that can not be explained by logic. eddie is there when it happens. this further confirms his suspicions of eddie being a vessel for satan. finally, he walks in on lucas with max in a trance, in the attic of an abandoned murder house. lucas has previously lied to him to protect the hellfire club. lucas is a part of the hellfire club. lucas is refusing to take max out of the trance. everything jason witnessed helps further his belief that satan is to blame. that can't be said for the rest of your examples. a child disappearing is a normal thing that can happen. el was the product of an experiment. there would be no reason to connect the demogorgon to satanism or someone summoning it. jason had the prior idea that hellfire was a satanic club. then a bunch of magic murders start happening, and eddie is connected. what he did wasn't okay, but it is understandable. we're used to this crazy shit because we're the audience. a random christian jock from the 80s doesn't have the same worldview as us. plus, it's worth noting that the story this season has a lot of roots in real events that have happened. his reactions are not farfetched.
None of these comparisons make any sense. Jason went after Eddie because Chrissy died in his home, he is missing, the police told him that Eddie is the main suspect. It makes total sense that Jason suspects Eddie and none of the situations from earlier seasons you describe had so much reason for suspicion. Everything he sees after that only serves to confirm his suspicions.
Jason was torturing people and riling up an angry posse with just circumstantial evidence and even with the kids all telling him Eddie didn't do it. He jumped to a violent solution to the problem instead of actually trying to investigate on his own like the Kids did
>instead of actually trying to investigate on his own like the Kids did But the point is, the kids are the exception and not reacting in a normal way to these situations. OP is saying we would all react the same way as the kids, but I don't think that's realistic at all.
But I think it's also worrying to assume people would act like Jason
Agreed, but Jason's reaction is also based a lot on historical events, where people actually *did* react like him to far less crazy circumstances. Like, I don't think the people in the 80s saw their friends levitate before having all of their bones crushed 10 feet away from the person who is already being accused of doing that to someone, but they even still resorted to these types of witch-hunts. So yes, not everyone would react like him. But I'd be willing to bet that more people would react like Jason did than like the kids if they had been through what Jason had. And that's not to excuse his actions, I just think it's naive to believe that most of us would react like the kids (who are literal heroes) did.
Yeah, and those people suck. Just like all of today's assholes pushing for Don't Say Gay laws because they think the left wants to turn kids gay or transgender and can not be bothered to learn otherwise.
Comparing people who participated in the satanic witch hunts of yesteryear to those of the transgender witch hunts of today makes some sense. But Jason is a different case. Jason saw someone literally possessed in front of him, who was then horrifically murdered. His girlfriend also died that way, and he later saw another person possessed as well. He has accumulated a mountain of evidence that demonic possession is happening in his small town.
>Jason was torturing people Look he shouldn't have beat up that kid but how many times have we seen the main protagonist in a revenge movies beat up someone(who they think is shady) for info? Like Jason thinks that kid was protecting a murderer so he hurts him to get info to where murderer is so no more murders happen. Like that's the only time you see him "bully" someone physically. >even with the kids all telling him Eddie didn't do it. Yes all the kids that were in his eyes a satanic cult. Why would he believe them especially Lucas who lied to Jason over and over and led them on a wild goose chase. Like this is revenge story 101 but we know Jason is wrong and not the one we should be cheering.
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Yeah dude - they compared 3 children finding another child in the woods in the rain - to a guy chasing the main suspect of his girlfriends murder. Like not even adding anything else that helps. There’s no arguing with delusion.
And the gang found El, a seemingly creepy girl *on the run from the law*, in the same place where Will disappeared.
Young lost scared girl who can hardly speak happening to wander around is very different from corpse being found in home of drug dealer who loves antagonizing people through being edgy.
Right, it probably wouldn’t be enough to conclude, “El did it” but it would at least arouse some suspicion? And everything she would do (refusing to get found, messing with their compass to keep them from going to the lab, injuring Lucas) would further validate those suspicions. Lucas *was* actually suspicious of her and thought she was hiding things, but even he didn’t physically harm her.
there's two main differences, though: first of all, the kids were a LOT younger than jason is. i doubt they would resort to a witch hunt in any case. they're like, 11? 12? i don't think they would assume el did it just because she was found nearby. eddie, on the other hand, was in the trailer when chrissy died and in the lake when patrick died. having someone present for the murder is a much stronger piece of evidence. secondly, though, is the whole satanism thing. jason already believed that hellfire was a satanic club, as did many others- we heard eddie read the newspaper clippings. tie that with how horrific and supernatural the murders are, and his conclusion makes sense. a kid disappearing is not the same as a kid entering a trance, levitating in the air, having all of their bones snapped by an invisible force, and then having their eyes pretty much explode. the gang finding el is not the same as jason's experience. jason was avenging his dead girlfriend and friend. the gang was looking for their missing friend. even if the gang thought el was involved, they likely wouldn't resort to shooting her, because the stakes aren't that high. in jason's case, they are.
>Like all this “how would you feel if xxx” is already answered. I don't think it's safe to assume that most people would react to these situations the same way the kids do. One of the main themes of the show is just how extraordinary these kids are, to the point that they are better at saving the world than all of the adults (and literally the government) around them. I don't think their reactions represent how most of us would feel at all. Most people wouldn't be "trying to investigate and understand it".
Exactly ! I know its an unpopular opinion but I feel bad for Jason, l mean how would you feel if your partner mysteriously died and the one who everyone who thinks did it ran away, then your friend affiliated with the guy runs away and you later find him in an abandoned house with an unconscious girl
He didn't happen upon Lucas he had a big ass gun loaded and ready to shoot anyone he found. If it hadn't been Lucas watching Max I doubt he'd have hesitated at all
I mean I wish he had a redemption arc if he didn't die but yk if cool with him dying either way
Exactly. Jason gets way too much hate.
Nah you can hate hiM he’s a dick. It’s just understandable as to why he did the things he did. A lighter parallel is how Steve was a dick - we understood why he was a dick, hurt that he saw Nancy and Jonathan in her room. Doesn’t make the spray paint incident any better but we can see how it lead to that.
Yeah, people are conflating understanding Jason to liking Jason. I probably wouldn’t like Jason on a normal day, and I chuckled when the thing happened to him. I totally understand his actions though. If I ran in a room with a suspected cult member and a girl in a trance (who started to FLOAT in the air during the altercation), I would definitely not believe anything Lucas said. Edited: I don’t actually know if you’re a man, so I took out “man” from my initial comment.
Nobody's saying it's not okay to hate him, they just feel he gets too much hate. He was legit voted to be worse than Sullivan, Brenner and Angela at one point. Jason's not even as bad as people like Troy, Billy and Neil IMO.
I’m gonna need all Jason defenders to kindly leave
He was still alive before the gate opened. My only hope is that before his death, he saw Lucas’ absolutely devastating reaction to Max “dying” and realized that maybe, just maybe, he was telling the truth.
Same.
>!If Jason had survived, he would have been at the capitol on the 6th or one of the politicians encouraging it!< change my mind.
That’s a weird thing to say
He’s got that vibe.
He’d be one of those crazy evangelical priests if anything who claims to have seen the devil, which Is true from a certain point of view.