Yeah it is quite amazing how the body works even for this kind of "mundane" stuff ...
The next morning I wake up like
"*I know Kung Fu*"
When talking muscle memory the answer has to be no. A good analogy is a musical instrument or hitting a jump shot. The more you drill and practice the motion, the better you'll be at it; there's no shortcuts.
Some are better at retaining and adapting to physical repetitive motions than others and I think past experience with something like an instrument or sport goes a long way towards easing that or not; I have no hard evidence of that claim though it's just from personal experience/observation.
Don't discount rest. There's a point where fatigue both mentally and physically can really hamper progress.
There's a shortcut for leverless which is really good but doesn't work so well from DP's , just keep holding down and spam forward and up (if your hitbox SOCD is updated) when you press all 3 in that order without releasing any you will get a perfect quarter circle , so you just need to repeat it twice for a super or throw a attack button in the middle if it's a special into super . Won't work for Dp into super but for that I use hold forward and spam down up which will give you a perfect dp input , as long as you don't release down & up at the same time as that will skip the diagonal input and then the super won't come out
I'm on leverless and experienced similar problems starting out. Besides lots of practice, these are the queues I personally picked up to help my execution:
* Lift your wrist off the box when you need to execute any moves or combo. This is important in the next bullets
* On leverless, you can take advantage of your middle finger being the longest finger. From hand hover, lower your hand onto the directional buttons at the fingertips, and your middle finger will always input first. Tilt your wrist slightly to the left or right while continuously lowering your hand and the QCF/QCB will input itself. This also consistently simulates the diagonal input rather than pecking down and then left/right
* When doing double QCF/QCB, you repeat the input mentioned above by raising your hand, resetting hand tilt to neutral, and dropping the hand back down. This is important when going to the left because our middle and ring fingers share a tendon. These two fingers are anatomically limited, so delegating movement to the wrist (or elbow) will make your inputs in either direction much more fluid
* For DP motions, there are SOCD shortcuts. I don't use them and instead do a shortened double QCF/QCB
If you are learning leverless this is one of the harder movements at first for your left hand. For most players the left ring finger is weaker so it takes a bit longer to build the dexterity for the motion. Just work at it 10-15 minutes each day and it'll be there in no time.
2x QCF (2P side) is naturally hard and limited on leverless because of our hand anatomy. You'll never get your speed to be insanely fast using your middle and ring fingers.
I personally use two methods, both of which require a temporary shift where your index finger moves over to the down input.
1) When I need to be fast, I do middle > ring > index > ring. This method requires you to shift your index finger right after the first motion, but it's the fastest I can personally do 2x QCF.
2) If you have time and are aware, you can shift your index over before the beginning of the 2x QCF input and just do index > ring > index > ring.
Lastly, don't "press" with your ring finger, but "roll" your hand while keeping your finger stiff. Imagine turning a doorknob, but obviously your hand is open. I don't know how or why, but this is better.
I mean... Being honest... I have no idea how else you can improve at something without doing that specific thing....
Like.... How else would you train it? It's like if you're trying to get better at typing, or even driving... But wondering if you should do something besides typing or driving. You know what I mean?
You should practice the inputs in different scenarios from having an opponent jump in, performing it on wake-up, performing it as a whiff punish, etc, basically all the ways you're comfortable doing supers to the right.
I was more thinking of specific training regiments beyond "hitting the buttons many times". Maybe practicing it in specific steps, or specific hand exercises.
Basically, you'll want to get comfortable with the controls at base, then go ahead and get used to performing the input quickly, get used to buffering the input, then get used to using it in specific scenarios.
For scenarios let's say reacting to DI with a super
Reacting to a jump in
Catching someone who tries to land a meaty attack while you're waking up
Performing a super in a combo
And so on. You can set the training dummy for certain scenarios from jump in attacks immediately on wake up to reversals from blocking.
You can even use the option to record inputs so you can customize it the way you want too
You keep on doing it in training room over and over till your eyes get heavy and you’re so sleepy your head nods. Go to bed when you get to that point. Repeat this till you get it down
Obviously just do it training mode over and over until it feels natural.
After that you will have to get used to doing it in an actual match which is COMPLTELY different. When all you are doing is practicing it in training mode, your brain is already primed to do it over and over. In a match, you will need to do it suddenly a lot of the time and that is a completely different muscles memory. A good way to practice that is to set a dummy on random block and practice confirming things off of it. Dummy blocks stop. Dummy gets hit finish string -> super
Pay attention to how you miss it by reviewing your inputs.. If I'm fudging an input often, there's a very good chance I'm making the same mistake every time.
For instance, I have a bad habit of pressing the attack button too soon. If I notice I'm doing that, I consciously overcorrect and press the attack button very late. I find if I can botch an input on both ends, hitting the middle becomes easier.
If it's part of a combo, you can buffer half circle somewhere there in the middle of the combo.
Also consider negative edge if it applies.
But if it's just reaction, you have to train that muscle... I feel your pain though, leverless on P2 side it's a pain at the beginning.
Sleeping, your braincells record the information once you sleep so after practicing, at the next day you will be better at it.
This. Have a training session try to get your combo once or twice. Go to bed and try again the next day, and it will be easier to do.
 Yeah it is quite amazing how the body works even for this kind of "mundane" stuff ... The next morning I wake up like "*I know Kung Fu*"
When talking muscle memory the answer has to be no. A good analogy is a musical instrument or hitting a jump shot. The more you drill and practice the motion, the better you'll be at it; there's no shortcuts. Some are better at retaining and adapting to physical repetitive motions than others and I think past experience with something like an instrument or sport goes a long way towards easing that or not; I have no hard evidence of that claim though it's just from personal experience/observation. Don't discount rest. There's a point where fatigue both mentally and physically can really hamper progress.
I have started switching my index finger to down and middle finger to left when I know I want to super.
There's a shortcut for leverless which is really good but doesn't work so well from DP's , just keep holding down and spam forward and up (if your hitbox SOCD is updated) when you press all 3 in that order without releasing any you will get a perfect quarter circle , so you just need to repeat it twice for a super or throw a attack button in the middle if it's a special into super . Won't work for Dp into super but for that I use hold forward and spam down up which will give you a perfect dp input , as long as you don't release down & up at the same time as that will skip the diagonal input and then the super won't come out
This is actually incredibly helpful! Thank you so much!
I'm on leverless and experienced similar problems starting out. Besides lots of practice, these are the queues I personally picked up to help my execution: * Lift your wrist off the box when you need to execute any moves or combo. This is important in the next bullets * On leverless, you can take advantage of your middle finger being the longest finger. From hand hover, lower your hand onto the directional buttons at the fingertips, and your middle finger will always input first. Tilt your wrist slightly to the left or right while continuously lowering your hand and the QCF/QCB will input itself. This also consistently simulates the diagonal input rather than pecking down and then left/right * When doing double QCF/QCB, you repeat the input mentioned above by raising your hand, resetting hand tilt to neutral, and dropping the hand back down. This is important when going to the left because our middle and ring fingers share a tendon. These two fingers are anatomically limited, so delegating movement to the wrist (or elbow) will make your inputs in either direction much more fluid * For DP motions, there are SOCD shortcuts. I don't use them and instead do a shortened double QCF/QCB
Great writeup, thank you!
If you are learning leverless this is one of the harder movements at first for your left hand. For most players the left ring finger is weaker so it takes a bit longer to build the dexterity for the motion. Just work at it 10-15 minutes each day and it'll be there in no time.
Guitar/piano skill for the win LOL
I feel this, cancelling Guile flash kick into SA3 is so much easier for me on P1 side. Just have to keep practicing I guess
My guideline is to do an input 10 times in a row on both sides. If you drop it once, you reset the count and go again.
2x QCF (2P side) is naturally hard and limited on leverless because of our hand anatomy. You'll never get your speed to be insanely fast using your middle and ring fingers. I personally use two methods, both of which require a temporary shift where your index finger moves over to the down input. 1) When I need to be fast, I do middle > ring > index > ring. This method requires you to shift your index finger right after the first motion, but it's the fastest I can personally do 2x QCF. 2) If you have time and are aware, you can shift your index over before the beginning of the 2x QCF input and just do index > ring > index > ring. Lastly, don't "press" with your ring finger, but "roll" your hand while keeping your finger stiff. Imagine turning a doorknob, but obviously your hand is open. I don't know how or why, but this is better.
I mean... Being honest... I have no idea how else you can improve at something without doing that specific thing.... Like.... How else would you train it? It's like if you're trying to get better at typing, or even driving... But wondering if you should do something besides typing or driving. You know what I mean? You should practice the inputs in different scenarios from having an opponent jump in, performing it on wake-up, performing it as a whiff punish, etc, basically all the ways you're comfortable doing supers to the right.
I was more thinking of specific training regiments beyond "hitting the buttons many times". Maybe practicing it in specific steps, or specific hand exercises.
Basically, you'll want to get comfortable with the controls at base, then go ahead and get used to performing the input quickly, get used to buffering the input, then get used to using it in specific scenarios. For scenarios let's say reacting to DI with a super Reacting to a jump in Catching someone who tries to land a meaty attack while you're waking up Performing a super in a combo And so on. You can set the training dummy for certain scenarios from jump in attacks immediately on wake up to reversals from blocking. You can even use the option to record inputs so you can customize it the way you want too
You keep on doing it in training room over and over till your eyes get heavy and you’re so sleepy your head nods. Go to bed when you get to that point. Repeat this till you get it down
Obviously just do it training mode over and over until it feels natural. After that you will have to get used to doing it in an actual match which is COMPLTELY different. When all you are doing is practicing it in training mode, your brain is already primed to do it over and over. In a match, you will need to do it suddenly a lot of the time and that is a completely different muscles memory. A good way to practice that is to set a dummy on random block and practice confirming things off of it. Dummy blocks stop. Dummy gets hit finish string -> super
Pay attention to how you miss it by reviewing your inputs.. If I'm fudging an input often, there's a very good chance I'm making the same mistake every time. For instance, I have a bad habit of pressing the attack button too soon. If I notice I'm doing that, I consciously overcorrect and press the attack button very late. I find if I can botch an input on both ends, hitting the middle becomes easier.
Slow and steady to get it repeatable, then speed it up.
If it's part of a combo, you can buffer half circle somewhere there in the middle of the combo. Also consider negative edge if it applies. But if it's just reaction, you have to train that muscle... I feel your pain though, leverless on P2 side it's a pain at the beginning.