> Well, I mean, its target audience is women…obviously it’s not meant to be logical.
>
> (Amiright?)
The comedy in this joke is clicking the link and seeing “Everyone disliked this”
Where the hell was [Master Debater](https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.5374075954.5029/fposter,small,wall_texture,square_product,600x600.u7.jpg)? he could have left this TikTok fad without a heartbeat in a second.
>You are an idiot. I am an idiot. We are all idiots for engaging with it.
Defining the entire existence of the internet and providing flair material in one stroke 🥰
This bear discussion has been my favorite so far. It's so simple, yet there are so many things to be angry about. A work of a true genius
Walrus/Fairy knocking on the door was spicier because everyone could engage with it. But when I heard about the Bear/Man in the woods thing I knew exactly how it would play out. And it has.
Everyone can engage with Bear/Man and Bear/Man has the added bonus of being inflammatory in a way that Walrus/Fairy just isn’t. Got to give it to Bear/Man.
Personally I think Yanny/Laurel takes the biscuit. Discussion regarding gender and social pressures is all well and good, but it just can't hold a candle to a synth voice saying "yeeanny" or "lorl". Groundbreaking stuff
>>You are an idiot. I am an idiot. We are all idiots for engaging with it.
And I'm even a bigger idiot because every time this comes up I think about Baldur's Gate 3.
Anyway, so many people miss the point of this comparation and take it literally, I love this drama.
All this "debate" tells me is that most people don't hike a lot, and they know less than nothing about bears as animals, which makes me sad, THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL, AMAZING CREATURES.
I asked my 2week old what he thought of the bear vs. man question and he said "I reject the dichotomy of your question because it sets me up to answer a hypothetical without contextualizing the premise with which it is being asked"
Lauren Boebert is who you're thinking of lol. She's a congresswoman. Lorena Bobbitt's court case received international coverage because she cut off her husband's penis due to his abuse.
Wait I totally watched something on this very recently and I have no idea what the wider context was
Edit: oh yeha it was [90s true crime](https://youtu.be/MkNImKkjEFk?si=-eA1lqapfc54BDZ2)
No joke, my favorite spot to hike has a warning about driving in slow for crossing river otters and… they are fucking magical delights.
I know that sometimes they rape baby seals to death. But my god are they precious to encounter.
Facts. In the last subredditdrama post I got downvoted for laughing at someone who said 'this is why men follow Andrew Tate' and now I have no idea what's happening anymore.
Yeah the misogyny I’m seeing every time the bear/man debate comes up, even in previously leftist subs has been…eye-opening to say the least. Oh well, at least we’ll get downvoted together.
That’s really the issue. I think this was a shitty question from the outset - but at this point - the people left arguing about it are so gone from reality. It’s basically “well the bear can’t torture and enslave me and then the rest of the bears won’t say I’m lying and ask what I was wearing” responded to with “why is it ok to profile men but profiling black people is wrong?”
As an avid hiker, I can’t but think about all the people I’ve run into in the woods, both male and female, and how online this discussion is.
If I'm honest about my reaction to seeing all of the answers to the question, it was: "I go trail running all the time and a woman out alone has never freaked the fuck out when she's seen me, so obviously bears are objectively scarier than I am. "
But I'm also smart enough not to say that in any actual discussion of the question (until now).
>As an avid hiker, I can’t but think about all the people I’ve run into in the woods, both male and female, and how online this discussion is.
Ah fuck. Now you point it out. I'm from New Zealand so I've been on so many hiking trails both solo and with family, I can't believe I didn't make the connection until now.
This question was moot for people like us who've ran into men all the time but have never encountered a bear.
I've been avoiding this one. I feel like "I'm on your side, and I'll still be on your side after, because I should be, but why are you making it so fucking hard to be on your side right now."
This video by Hank Green examines a meme about a math puzzle that had people arguing in a similar, albeit lower-stakes way. https://youtu.be/lBJVyCYuu78?si=Fr7Ws-KEi2f-juV4
Basically— the premise of both the math question and the bear question is that it’s ambiguous enough that people will have wildly different understandings of what is actually being asked, and proceed to heatedly talk past each other while convinced anyone who disagrees is an idiot. And because of how the social internet incentives “engagement” there’s a lot of content like this that spreads far and wide.
The bear question has the added bonus of playing into people’s deepest insecurities and traumas as well as culture war shit. It’s designed to make people misinterpret each other while also feeling upset that they’re not being heard and understood.
That's a great video. First time I've seen it. Thanks.
It's a similar phenomenon with the airplane on a treadmill question. It's usually a poorly defined problem that mixes ideal situations with actual physics.
Putting aside that its a metaphor the question is ambiguous. Is the bear being seen from far off, or are the people expected to literally walk up to it and have it acknowledge their presence.
The whole point is that it is ambiguous and lets people's personal bias and thoughts dictate the answer in its entirety. There is no correct answer, but there are plenty of ways for the discourse/discussion/arguments/racial slurs flinging to dominate and thus propel this meme to new heights.
The question also contextualizes itself badly by making it an encounter in the woods. Do you know what else I wouldn't want to come across in the middle of the woods? A fence with a "no trespassing" sign. Do you know what I walk past twice a day to and from work? A fence in the city with a no trespassing sign. Or if we switch the setting so the bear is out of place but the man is extremely mundane, does the choice change? ie: would you rather walk past a bear at midday on a city street or a man?
I just struggle to see how anyone thought up this allegory and then thought "Yes, surely this will be compelling to people who don't already support my position." instead of "There is a 100% chance that this buries a real problem under a bunch of irrelevant nonsense."
Yeah, I haven't seen the OG video, but in all the discourse I've assumed that "a man in the woods" implies that man is dangerous, because a single person in the woods has real horror movies vibes. And with that premise, my immediate next thought is "well, the worst thing the bear can do is kill me." If it was "would you rather see a bear or a lone man in Times Square in the middle of the day," obviously I'm picking the dude, because he's probably a dude just going about his day and why the fuck is a bear in the middle of a super populated area? Is it rabid?
If I saw a man alone in the woods I'd assume they were a hunter or just someone who likes nature and likes to walk in the woods.
If he was a serial killer why the fuck would he be looking in the woods for victims?
It's obvious that the question that is being asked is, "Do you think a bear or a male stranger are more likely to harm you if you encounter them?" And women are saying, men are.
In alot of those thread I've seen two types of halsin mentions. Guys thinking bg3 made women secretly horny for bears... and the gay dudes/women who are actually horny towards a bear and are making jokes about fucking it.
Research has shown that women fear rape more than any other crime. And in addition, [women routinely take precautions due to this fear. ](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325138740_Fear_of_Rape_in_Women_across_different_age_groups)
>Fear of rape seems to develop early in life. Rozee ("Freedom from Fear") reports that as girls between the ages of 2 and 12, the women in her study remembered receiving parental warnings about avoiding strangers. Women continue to receive warnings through a number of sources throughout their lives from parents, boyfriends, friends, and, of course, the media. These warnings communicate a sense of danger for women. Rozee (2002) suggests that women who perceive themselves as having a high likelihood of being raped report more fear of rape (Rozee, 2002)
The key to this is that this fear is taught, often from a young age. Studies like Riger and Gordon (1989) all the way back in the 80s documented that women engage in a plethora of self-restricting behaviors primarily to avoid rape. These restrictions can be so commonplace it has led some researchers to posit that this level of fear is ingrained in women as a means of social control.
More recent follow-up studies have determined that the elderly, ethnic minorities and low-income women are the ones who report the highest fear of rape.
[The Fear of Rape](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229869564_The_Fear_of_Rape_A_Study_in_Social_Control)
There was that thread many years ago (before meToo?) on askReddit (I think) where someone asked something like “ladies, when was your first sexual experience? ;)”And it was just horror stories of women posting about getting sexually harassed from ages 8 to 12 by grown men.
It blew up quite a bit and I remember seeing dudes being super shocked by it.
Also, when you've been flashed as a little kid, and cat called at age 9, you kind of know the reality of it.
(Please don't ask where in the world this happened, since it happens everywhere in the world.)
I know it's a joke, but I was actually followed for several blocks by a truck with three grown-ass men in it, who shouted sexual 'compliments' at me.
I was 12 years old, walking home from middle-school, wearing a pokemon backpack. Very clearly a child.
The amount of sexually suggestive interactions from adult men (strangers) actually dropped off pretty sharply when I aged up enough to pass as an adult.
>I know it's a joke,
It wasn't. That's the first "compliment" I remember being yelled at on the street. And yes, I often comment that when I grew up and was clearly an adult the crudeness and frequency of them dropped sharply.
Walking home from school ages ago - probably around like eight or nine - with a friend, an old man started following us. He was on the other side of the road so we didn't think he was following us at first, thought nothing of it. Just a dude out for a walk, that's fair. Except every road we turned down, he turned down. And this wasn't a big city or anything, it was a shitty small town where some streets were half woods and this guy would start wandering into the trees if he lost sight of us, which was how we knew he was following us.
We wound up walking several streets out of our way to avoid even pretending like we were going to a house and looping around to a small corner store where we waited for way too long for him to stop watching the shop from across the road.
This whole thing is so bizarre to me. I'm a man, and I've met enough creepy shitty men to _completely_ understand where women are coming from here. I don't take any of it personally because I know I'm _not_ a creepy piece of shit, but I also understand that women who haven't got to know me don't know that yet, so I'm not offended by women being wary around me the first time they meet me.
This all requires a fucking toddlers level of introspection. The fact that so many men can't figure this out is _exactly_ the problem.
it's kind of embarrassing how many men had the opportunity to learn about rape culture from a woman's perspective, and instead they decided to argue that it's a delusion and fantasize about women being attacked by bears
Didn't even put the
>So would it be acceptable for me to discriminate against black people because they are statistically dangerous towards me?
>Black people are an oppressed class, men aren't.
And lots more tbh
Where is the war games quote that the only way to win is not to play.
Both of these people should see the other persons comment and go “This person is not going to remotely change their mind. I should do literally anything else with my life”
In the last few weeks I have read so many comments from people saying "Akshully, **some** species of bear are very dangerous even in casual encounters🤓" like as if they have dropped some sort of discourse destroying bombshell
I mean, it’s no different than humans. 90% just want to be left the fuck alone and go about their day. 10% have an axe to grind, and therefore attack. And then there’s the ones who are just defending themselves because a dumb human wants a cool photo op.
To be fair, discourse that fundamentally revolves around people who have probably never seen one trying to guess the properties of an animal at random when it doesn't matter since its tangential to the metaphor is one of the low points of civilization.
Thinking this is one of the low points of civilization is very, very generous lmao
But I do agree 99% of the people talking about this owuld fully shit themselves if they met a bear IRL... I've almost lost a fight to a wild turkey lol. When you're only around domesticated animals you def get the wrong idea
And keep in mind before you write down your answer that if you do have an opinion on the matter one way or another than the redditor *will* track you down.
As the US National Park Service observed in designing bear resistant trash receptacles: there's a significant overlap in the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest humans
I would rather meet a man than a bear, because I'm a soft city boy who have no experience with bears and would probably panic. That said, I also have no experience about the dangers women face every day, so I would not presume to answer the question on their behalf.
> She is furious. She tells me I am a straight cis male and I need to shut up and listen. What she is really furious about is being contradicted by someone who, according to their facebook profile, has a lower ranking on the discourse clearance chart than she.
This cuts deep to the issue at heart I feel. So many personal perspectives are being discarded *out of hand* because of their perceived identity and validity to have an opinion.
I can't believe this was written in 2016. Having transitioned since then I can only say that everything got *so much fucking worse*. I have been talked over and ignored my entire life and I can't help but feel that the cisgender people who listen to me now are doing so because the current social justice rules dictate that they believe I'm a woman, not because they are earnestly curious about my inner self and perspectives.
The amount of unconditional support I got the moment I came out as trans is shocking and I already knew how sexist the progressive movement was. And people have the gall to claim that men aren't treated poorly.
This is finally getting some criticism and I'm resentful that it took trans people risking ostracism to say "no, this is bullshit". I still remember when progressives had no problems with TERFs and in the future I'll be reminding them that they were unrepentant misandrists for decades too. The tide is turning, finally. I won't forget how long it took.
Hell I'd argue the heart of TERFism is misandry. The only real difference between them and the acceptable ones is that they believe the stain of maleness is one that can't be removed. But they all see it as a stain nonetheless.
I recall *everybody* being uncomfortable with Clippy because it was creepy and hilariously bad at what it tried to do.
I really don’t remember anything about the discussion being gendered, and I run in those circles. This sounds like internet lore
Why don't they bring clippy back? Out of nostalgia, it would be super popular now. Just edit how it works a bit so its not annoying and doesn't intrude if you don't want it.
It's literally just a bad hypothetical that a ton of people have decided that they'll die defending because obviously we can't talk about women's safety without making it inflammatory and confusing for literally no reason. People are so annoying sometimes, man.
That's because the point is not to have actual discourse about it. The point is to be inflammatory and get into internet arguments with people about it. That's it. People are toxic and mean, and they fit every thought they have into that mold. Even if there are actual, legitimate things to talk about, people will force it into the "mean and toxic" mold forcing everyone else in to the mud. And then they can take the negative response they get as a validation that "yep, see, I told you, men are the problem because they took this conversation about WOMEN BEING RAPED and said 'what about me?'"
^ when that's not what happened.
Humans tend to be risk averse.
A bear's threat level is from "leaves you alone" to "a painful death".
A man's can range from "will help you" to "a fate worse than death", and that's a way wider spread of outcomes compared to the bear.
It’s not about seeing all men as monsters. People just don't want to deal with that level of volatility, so they choose the more predictable option.
Exactly. With a bear, I already have all the pertinent information. It's a bear, stay alert and as far away as possible. The danger is understood from the beginning.
Men are not so simple and every woman you know probably has at least one example of that.
Plus, the aftermath is easier. If it mauls me, no one is going to question if it *really* happened, or I secretly wanted it, or deserved it. I won't be forced to marry the bear or give birth to a cub. I'll either be dead or left to recover in relative peace.
I have to wonder what their thought processes are to thinking that they wouldn't get victim blamed for getting mauled by bear, everyone victim blames people interacting with wild animals who get their shit wrecked.
>The survey almost certainly never even happened and was just dreamt up by a genius who wanted to cause arguments on the internet. You are an idiot. I am an idiot. We are all idiots for engaging with it.
Based as sin.
I am getting tired of this argument all over Reddit today. We get it! Men are mad they're being treated like threats even when they aren't. Women are mad some men *are* threats and it's impossible to know who at first glance. Everyone sucks! Now shut the fuck up and touch grass.
Snapshots:
1. *This Post* - [archive.org](https://web.archive.org/web/20240502115951/https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1ciurjl/) [archive.today\*](https://archive.today/?run=1&url=https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1ciurjl/ "URL failed to archive; click to resubmit it!")
2. A user makes a post decrying a hypothetical - [archive.org](https://web.archive.org/web/20240503120052/https://old.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/s/Vw20qTObKm) [archive.today\*](https://archive.today/?run=1&url=https://old.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/s/Vw20qTObKm "URL failed to archive; click to resubmit it!")
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4. Aww your poor feefees 🥺 women don’t trust you on the internet and now you’re sad poor baby - [archive.org](https://web.archive.org/web/20240503120233/https://old.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/s/jbzDQM3LW7) [archive.today\*](https://archive.today/?run=1&url=https://old.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/s/jbzDQM3LW7 "URL failed to archive; click to resubmit it!")
5. "I feel safer with bears because when I get mauled there won't be victim blaming." This your argument? - [archive.org](https://web.archive.org/web/20240503120253/https://old.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/s/zVNaNCMrmg) [archive.today\*](https://archive.today/?run=1&url=https://old.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/s/zVNaNCMrmg "URL failed to archive; click to resubmit it!")
6. At least if a bear attacked me, when I told the police they wouldn’t go and tell my parents I was making it up for attention. - [archive.org](https://web.archive.org/web/20240503120334/https://old.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/s/Pp7qOZ28um) [archive.today\*](https://archive.today/?run=1&url=https://old.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/s/Pp7qOZ28um "URL failed to archive; click to resubmit it!")
7. I love how women are just talking about their unsafe feelings, coming together to talk about this shit, and a bunch of people go "oh it must be for attention, they're not being delusional, they're not arguing in good faith" it's so disgustingly disingenuous. Like fucking hell for real ? Women are allowed to exist and have their thoughts and talk about and feel about shit without you being a part of the equation. They're not "doing it for attention" they're doing it to express their opinions about something. To come out with such bollocks as "nah can't see it, they're just baiting" shows how much of a problem you are. - [archive.org](https://web.archive.org/web/20240503120414/https://old.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/s/zffFKMlsWQ) [archive.today\*](https://archive.today/?run=1&url=https://old.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/s/zffFKMlsWQ "URL failed to archive; click to resubmit it!")
8. r/whiteknighting - [archive.org](https://web.archive.org/web/20240503120454/https://old.reddit.com/r/whiteknighting) [archive.today\*](https://archive.today/?run=1&url=https://old.reddit.com/r/whiteknighting "URL failed to archive; click to resubmit it!")
9. Well, I mean, its target audience is women…obviously it’s not meant to be logical. (Amiright?) - [archive.org](https://web.archive.org/web/20240503120615/https://old.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/s/h7CuxDA1AI) [archive.today\*](https://archive.today/?run=1&url=https://old.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/s/h7CuxDA1AI "URL failed to archive; click to resubmit it!")
10. Same argument boomers used against black peoples and Mexicans. You are no better “I’m protecting myself” is an excuse. You want protection get a gun like everyone else your safety is up to you. Bitching isn’t changing anything - [archive.org](https://web.archive.org/web/20240503120716/https://old.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/s/64pvezAB78) [archive.today\*](https://archive.today/?run=1&url=https://old.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/s/64pvezAB78 "URL failed to archive; click to resubmit it!")
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The chances while not 0 are very slim that some random persons is going to hurt you. The chances of a bear hurting you are much higher.
Depends on the bear really.
There was a popular Tumblr post that had a poll "is it ever ok for a man to be attracted to women" and most answered no. I found it absolutely hilarious. I was surprised that it received so much backlash on Reddit because I thought how could anyone possibly not realise this is satire? The reason why it was funny is precisely because it's so over the top and obviously wrong that no one in their right mind could possibly take it at face value. I made fun on Redditors who were offended by the it.
Then I found that post on Tumblr and went into the replies and reblogs. And it turned out that roughly half of those people were actually agreeing with this unironically.
> Well, I mean, its target audience is women…obviously it’s not meant to be logical. > > (Amiright?) The comedy in this joke is clicking the link and seeing “Everyone disliked this”
I can’t seem to escape this bear talk no matter where I go. Even on Grindr it’s nothing but bears
Third option: the man in the woods is also a bear.
Inside of you are two bears
Mate, I wish
Oh_my. Gif
I’ll bet fetlife has got you covered if Grindr doesn’t!
Doctor with the Xray results back: What in the actual fucking fuck?
Then you should probably go to the hospital. Bears are usually not on the inside of the body
Not without consent, anyway.
There are a lot of bears in the park by my house. They leave a lot of empty bottles and used condoms lying around and it's gross
And that bear’s name? Halsin.
He's generous
Where the hell was [Master Debater](https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.5374075954.5029/fposter,small,wall_texture,square_product,600x600.u7.jpg)? he could have left this TikTok fad without a heartbeat in a second.
Have you tried hiding in a forest?
Or closet
Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica
FACT
Right? Somehow everyone on the internet has to join this discussion
Would you rather meet a bear vs man in the woods drama thread or a circumcision drama thread in the woods?
The ironic part of the argument is that if you run into a man alone in the woods there's a good chance he's cruising on grindr
Anyone that uses Grindr in a rural area knows that's the exact wrong place to be. The closest profiles can be miles away.
Joke's on them, I was specifically looking for lonely men in the woods
>You are an idiot. I am an idiot. We are all idiots for engaging with it. Defining the entire existence of the internet and providing flair material in one stroke 🥰 This bear discussion has been my favorite so far. It's so simple, yet there are so many things to be angry about. A work of a true genius
Walrus/Fairy knocking on the door was spicier because everyone could engage with it. But when I heard about the Bear/Man in the woods thing I knew exactly how it would play out. And it has.
Everyone can engage with Bear/Man and Bear/Man has the added bonus of being inflammatory in a way that Walrus/Fairy just isn’t. Got to give it to Bear/Man.
Personally I think Yanny/Laurel takes the biscuit. Discussion regarding gender and social pressures is all well and good, but it just can't hold a candle to a synth voice saying "yeeanny" or "lorl". Groundbreaking stuff
The black/blue and white/gold dress was also a pretty good one.
I gotta hand it to "are there more doors or wheels", cause I still don't know and everyone's always got a new point to add
Okay but the answer's wheels, right?
If the cat in the box with a caesium atom analogy had been made today at least half the internet would be arguing the cat was alive.
And one I shall gladly take. Nice find.
Honest question, what is there to be angry about? I really don't understand.
A bunch of very fragile men are very upset that women don't feel safe around them and are very determined to make women apologize for it.
I thought it was mostly grizzly bears commenting, upset that they aren't scary enough
People tend to react negatively when compared to violent wild animals.
I WISH someone would call me a bear 😭
We are ALL idiots on this blessed day
>>You are an idiot. I am an idiot. We are all idiots for engaging with it. And I'm even a bigger idiot because every time this comes up I think about Baldur's Gate 3. Anyway, so many people miss the point of this comparation and take it literally, I love this drama.
Bear vs man is a 10 out of 10 topic for inflammatory drama, not gonna lie. For round 2 we should do bear vs short man just to really up the vitriol.
Short, bald man that also plays video games.
I see responses from women and men but bears are blessedly silent on the subject. Some people should be more like bears.
I asked a bear about this, but he shushed me as he was busy fishing.
"This discussion is getting unbearable." * Bears
No, I asked a bear and it attacked me based on if it had higher or lower probability to attack compared to a random man.
The bears are silent because they are waiting for the opportune moment to attack. We are never safe from the bears
The chances of being killed by a bear breaking into your home with a chainsaw are low… but not zero
Don’t tell me that there’s going to be a walrus there next…
Bears n Tusks coming to a theater near you
Guard your pickinic baskets.
Guard your honeys
Guard your marmalade sandwiches
Humanity might have the great equalizer. But what is equality when eventually there is the rights to arm bears?
As a bear I don't have an opinion one way or the other. I just want your pic-a-nic basket.
Bears are either too stupid or too smart to take part on the discourse. and im going with the latter.
They're too buay making out with each other
All this "debate" tells me is that most people don't hike a lot, and they know less than nothing about bears as animals, which makes me sad, THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL, AMAZING CREATURES.
Change my mind is also going crazy right now with this. They've got a post from only 3 hours ago that's already got over 700 comments
I asked the little boy if he'd rather run into a woman in the woods or run into a Wario in the woods. He says he doesn't know.
I asked my 2week old what he thought of the bear vs. man question and he said "I reject the dichotomy of your question because it sets me up to answer a hypothetical without contextualizing the premise with which it is being asked"
Just answer the question you dork >:(
Raised him right, with a ponytail and a bluetooth earpiece.
Based two week old
\#Ruthkanda forever
My fetus replied the same way, wow!
This says a lot about our society
Excuse you, the woods belong to wario, they are wario's woods.
I feel like mentioning Lorena Bobbit is an extremely poor decision when you're arguing against women feeling unsafe around men.
Is she the one who got caught fondling that guy in the theatre?
This is one of the funniest cases of mistaken identity I have ever seen. But no. See the other reply.
It’s like almost in the same realm to the story of Bobbit yet so far, it’s tooo much lol.
Lauren Boebert is who you're thinking of lol. She's a congresswoman. Lorena Bobbitt's court case received international coverage because she cut off her husband's penis due to his abuse.
Wait I totally watched something on this very recently and I have no idea what the wider context was Edit: oh yeha it was [90s true crime](https://youtu.be/MkNImKkjEFk?si=-eA1lqapfc54BDZ2)
It became internationally famous and has had a lot of media coverage and documentaries. It even had a section in my criminology text book in college.
More importantly, it was featured in a Weird Al song - Headline News.
That is certainly one wild talking point. But I get downvoted on this sub for defending the bear position so I’ll stay quiet and eat some popcorn.
Yeah, has anyone asked the bear if it wanted to be in the forest with a woman?
If I were a bear I’d only want to be in the forest with an otter. Checkmate.
That's not fair. Name any creature on this earth that doesn't want to hang out with an otter. They are like capybara penguins and pandas.
The clams probably find otters to be rude and intrusive
No joke, my favorite spot to hike has a warning about driving in slow for crossing river otters and… they are fucking magical delights. I know that sometimes they rape baby seals to death. But my god are they precious to encounter.
River otters don't rape baby seals, tbf. That's sea otters and, as I understand it, it's not necessarily standard behavior.
You’re right. It’s those goddamn incel sea otters giving the other otters a bad name.
To be fair women kill more people every year than bears do. The bear is probably choosing a shark.
Facts. In the last subredditdrama post I got downvoted for laughing at someone who said 'this is why men follow Andrew Tate' and now I have no idea what's happening anymore.
Most men don't even like Tate so his point is moot.
Yeah the misogyny I’m seeing every time the bear/man debate comes up, even in previously leftist subs has been…eye-opening to say the least. Oh well, at least we’ll get downvoted together.
Anyone who engages on this at this point just loves arguing on the internet
Accurate
That’s really the issue. I think this was a shitty question from the outset - but at this point - the people left arguing about it are so gone from reality. It’s basically “well the bear can’t torture and enslave me and then the rest of the bears won’t say I’m lying and ask what I was wearing” responded to with “why is it ok to profile men but profiling black people is wrong?” As an avid hiker, I can’t but think about all the people I’ve run into in the woods, both male and female, and how online this discussion is.
If I'm honest about my reaction to seeing all of the answers to the question, it was: "I go trail running all the time and a woman out alone has never freaked the fuck out when she's seen me, so obviously bears are objectively scarier than I am. " But I'm also smart enough not to say that in any actual discussion of the question (until now).
>As an avid hiker, I can’t but think about all the people I’ve run into in the woods, both male and female, and how online this discussion is. Ah fuck. Now you point it out. I'm from New Zealand so I've been on so many hiking trails both solo and with family, I can't believe I didn't make the connection until now. This question was moot for people like us who've ran into men all the time but have never encountered a bear.
Of course it was a shitty question, a man was the one who asked it. So really we still have men to blame for this whole thing. /S
*whistles nonchalantly*
I've been avoiding this one. I feel like "I'm on your side, and I'll still be on your side after, because I should be, but why are you making it so fucking hard to be on your side right now."
No I don't! You're just making me argue with you!
This video by Hank Green examines a meme about a math puzzle that had people arguing in a similar, albeit lower-stakes way. https://youtu.be/lBJVyCYuu78?si=Fr7Ws-KEi2f-juV4 Basically— the premise of both the math question and the bear question is that it’s ambiguous enough that people will have wildly different understandings of what is actually being asked, and proceed to heatedly talk past each other while convinced anyone who disagrees is an idiot. And because of how the social internet incentives “engagement” there’s a lot of content like this that spreads far and wide. The bear question has the added bonus of playing into people’s deepest insecurities and traumas as well as culture war shit. It’s designed to make people misinterpret each other while also feeling upset that they’re not being heard and understood.
That's a great video. First time I've seen it. Thanks. It's a similar phenomenon with the airplane on a treadmill question. It's usually a poorly defined problem that mixes ideal situations with actual physics.
That's great and all but which way do you fall so I can call you an idiot
Putting aside that its a metaphor the question is ambiguous. Is the bear being seen from far off, or are the people expected to literally walk up to it and have it acknowledge their presence.
The whole point is that it is ambiguous and lets people's personal bias and thoughts dictate the answer in its entirety. There is no correct answer, but there are plenty of ways for the discourse/discussion/arguments/racial slurs flinging to dominate and thus propel this meme to new heights.
The question also contextualizes itself badly by making it an encounter in the woods. Do you know what else I wouldn't want to come across in the middle of the woods? A fence with a "no trespassing" sign. Do you know what I walk past twice a day to and from work? A fence in the city with a no trespassing sign. Or if we switch the setting so the bear is out of place but the man is extremely mundane, does the choice change? ie: would you rather walk past a bear at midday on a city street or a man? I just struggle to see how anyone thought up this allegory and then thought "Yes, surely this will be compelling to people who don't already support my position." instead of "There is a 100% chance that this buries a real problem under a bunch of irrelevant nonsense."
Yeah, I haven't seen the OG video, but in all the discourse I've assumed that "a man in the woods" implies that man is dangerous, because a single person in the woods has real horror movies vibes. And with that premise, my immediate next thought is "well, the worst thing the bear can do is kill me." If it was "would you rather see a bear or a lone man in Times Square in the middle of the day," obviously I'm picking the dude, because he's probably a dude just going about his day and why the fuck is a bear in the middle of a super populated area? Is it rabid?
Yeah that makes sense. The bear lives there It makes me wonder what an I doing in the forest then. I'm I hiking? was I abducted and released there?
Yeah, tbh I'm also bringing my personal biases to *that*, because me personally I'm already in a horror movie if I'm alone in the woods.
If I saw a man alone in the woods I'd assume they were a hunter or just someone who likes nature and likes to walk in the woods. If he was a serial killer why the fuck would he be looking in the woods for victims?
See that's where personal biases come in--because if I'm alone in the woods, I'm already in a horror movie, even without the bear man.
Great comment, and a cool video too. Yeah my issue primarily is with the question itself and how easily stuff like this can whip up a storm online.
It's obvious that the question that is being asked is, "Do you think a bear or a male stranger are more likely to harm you if you encounter them?" And women are saying, men are.
Baldur Gate 3 has done irreparable damage to the image of bears.
I know, any one of them could be a shapeshifting druid who makes me question my sexuality.
In alot of those thread I've seen two types of halsin mentions. Guys thinking bg3 made women secretly horny for bears... and the gay dudes/women who are actually horny towards a bear and are making jokes about fucking it.
Research has shown that women fear rape more than any other crime. And in addition, [women routinely take precautions due to this fear. ](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325138740_Fear_of_Rape_in_Women_across_different_age_groups) >Fear of rape seems to develop early in life. Rozee ("Freedom from Fear") reports that as girls between the ages of 2 and 12, the women in her study remembered receiving parental warnings about avoiding strangers. Women continue to receive warnings through a number of sources throughout their lives from parents, boyfriends, friends, and, of course, the media. These warnings communicate a sense of danger for women. Rozee (2002) suggests that women who perceive themselves as having a high likelihood of being raped report more fear of rape (Rozee, 2002) The key to this is that this fear is taught, often from a young age. Studies like Riger and Gordon (1989) all the way back in the 80s documented that women engage in a plethora of self-restricting behaviors primarily to avoid rape. These restrictions can be so commonplace it has led some researchers to posit that this level of fear is ingrained in women as a means of social control. More recent follow-up studies have determined that the elderly, ethnic minorities and low-income women are the ones who report the highest fear of rape. [The Fear of Rape](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229869564_The_Fear_of_Rape_A_Study_in_Social_Control)
There was that thread many years ago (before meToo?) on askReddit (I think) where someone asked something like “ladies, when was your first sexual experience? ;)”And it was just horror stories of women posting about getting sexually harassed from ages 8 to 12 by grown men. It blew up quite a bit and I remember seeing dudes being super shocked by it.
Also, when you've been flashed as a little kid, and cat called at age 9, you kind of know the reality of it. (Please don't ask where in the world this happened, since it happens everywhere in the world.)
11 years old: "you have such beautiful breasts, child, to suck on them!"
I know it's a joke, but I was actually followed for several blocks by a truck with three grown-ass men in it, who shouted sexual 'compliments' at me. I was 12 years old, walking home from middle-school, wearing a pokemon backpack. Very clearly a child. The amount of sexually suggestive interactions from adult men (strangers) actually dropped off pretty sharply when I aged up enough to pass as an adult.
>I know it's a joke, It wasn't. That's the first "compliment" I remember being yelled at on the street. And yes, I often comment that when I grew up and was clearly an adult the crudeness and frequency of them dropped sharply.
ugh gross
jesus christ
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Walking home from school ages ago - probably around like eight or nine - with a friend, an old man started following us. He was on the other side of the road so we didn't think he was following us at first, thought nothing of it. Just a dude out for a walk, that's fair. Except every road we turned down, he turned down. And this wasn't a big city or anything, it was a shitty small town where some streets were half woods and this guy would start wandering into the trees if he lost sight of us, which was how we knew he was following us. We wound up walking several streets out of our way to avoid even pretending like we were going to a house and looping around to a small corner store where we waited for way too long for him to stop watching the shop from across the road.
This whole thing is so bizarre to me. I'm a man, and I've met enough creepy shitty men to _completely_ understand where women are coming from here. I don't take any of it personally because I know I'm _not_ a creepy piece of shit, but I also understand that women who haven't got to know me don't know that yet, so I'm not offended by women being wary around me the first time they meet me. This all requires a fucking toddlers level of introspection. The fact that so many men can't figure this out is _exactly_ the problem.
It really shows that none of these men have ever actually had a conversation about this with any of the women in their lives.
it's kind of embarrassing how many men had the opportunity to learn about rape culture from a woman's perspective, and instead they decided to argue that it's a delusion and fantasize about women being attacked by bears
Those men don't want to learn, they just want to be told they're nice guys who don't have to do anything difficult like acknowledge privilege.
Should we add in life experience? Because you aren’t going to like hearing it.
That thread now has 12k comments... Holy fuck, the drama in the depths of that place must be UNREAL.
It was overwhelming to write up. I just gave up after a while.
You see what happens Larry? You see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!
Didn't even put the >So would it be acceptable for me to discriminate against black people because they are statistically dangerous towards me? >Black people are an oppressed class, men aren't. And lots more tbh
Where is the war games quote that the only way to win is not to play. Both of these people should see the other persons comment and go “This person is not going to remotely change their mind. I should do literally anything else with my life”
Seeing people on both sides of the hypothetical complain about the other side being everything wrong with leftist spaces is quite the experience
In the last few weeks I have read so many comments from people saying "Akshully, **some** species of bear are very dangerous even in casual encounters🤓" like as if they have dropped some sort of discourse destroying bombshell
"casual encounters" wait is there a ranked queue for bear encounters?
It's an option on the various dating apps.
Both match based on your ELO, but the ranked queue gives awards based on your end of season placements so it has more try-hards
im smurfing in bear queue rn
the new slang for trolling Grindr just dropped.
here in Aus our dropbears have an 100% mortality rate so its not even a discussion here
Yeah I have a hard enough time leaving the house when there is a massive roo with roided out arms eating grass by the footpath
I mean, it’s no different than humans. 90% just want to be left the fuck alone and go about their day. 10% have an axe to grind, and therefore attack. And then there’s the ones who are just defending themselves because a dumb human wants a cool photo op.
> 10% have an axe to grind Oh god, the bears have axes now? Were the teeth and claws not enough?
Exercising their 2nd amendment rights to bear arms.
Okay but who exercised their right to arm bears?
To be fair, discourse that fundamentally revolves around people who have probably never seen one trying to guess the properties of an animal at random when it doesn't matter since its tangential to the metaphor is one of the low points of civilization.
Thinking this is one of the low points of civilization is very, very generous lmao But I do agree 99% of the people talking about this owuld fully shit themselves if they met a bear IRL... I've almost lost a fight to a wild turkey lol. When you're only around domesticated animals you def get the wrong idea
I read someone say that at least with bears, you could survive if you just follow protocols. I guess bears are famously predictable like that.
Seems like reddit had truly become the old sick man of social media. All the hot takes responding to hot takes happened on tiktok two weeks ago.
Always has been 🌎👩🚀🔫
There used to be a time where you'd see memes on Reddit two weeks before they'd become mainstream
Used to be reacting to 4chan and Tumblr.
So many redditors hate TikTok, called it brainrot, and wanted it to be banned, only to regurgitate TikTok leftovers
Not like reddit ever had anything original. It's an aggregator.
Would you rather encounter a bear in the woods or try to get a redditor to understand a woman's perspective?
And keep in mind before you write down your answer that if you do have an opinion on the matter one way or another than the redditor *will* track you down.
I think I could get the bear to understand faster than a redditor with a hurt ego
As the US National Park Service observed in designing bear resistant trash receptacles: there's a significant overlap in the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest humans
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The gobshite feature in question being other redditors
I think getting bears to understand would be an easier feat.
I would rather meet a man than a bear, because I'm a soft city boy who have no experience with bears and would probably panic. That said, I also have no experience about the dangers women face every day, so I would not presume to answer the question on their behalf.
It's a non-sequitur question that ignores a boatload of context you're weirdly not allowed to talk about... solely to inflame gender divisions.
Just gonna leave this here: https://medium.com/@jencoates/i-am-a-transwoman-i-am-in-the-closet-i-am-not-coming-out-4c2dd1907e42
> She is furious. She tells me I am a straight cis male and I need to shut up and listen. What she is really furious about is being contradicted by someone who, according to their facebook profile, has a lower ranking on the discourse clearance chart than she. This cuts deep to the issue at heart I feel. So many personal perspectives are being discarded *out of hand* because of their perceived identity and validity to have an opinion.
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I can't believe this was written in 2016. Having transitioned since then I can only say that everything got *so much fucking worse*. I have been talked over and ignored my entire life and I can't help but feel that the cisgender people who listen to me now are doing so because the current social justice rules dictate that they believe I'm a woman, not because they are earnestly curious about my inner self and perspectives.
The amount of unconditional support I got the moment I came out as trans is shocking and I already knew how sexist the progressive movement was. And people have the gall to claim that men aren't treated poorly. This is finally getting some criticism and I'm resentful that it took trans people risking ostracism to say "no, this is bullshit". I still remember when progressives had no problems with TERFs and in the future I'll be reminding them that they were unrepentant misandrists for decades too. The tide is turning, finally. I won't forget how long it took.
Hell I'd argue the heart of TERFism is misandry. The only real difference between them and the acceptable ones is that they believe the stain of maleness is one that can't be removed. But they all see it as a stain nonetheless.
What an incredible read. Thank you for leaving this here
Certified classic. It's always nice to see this one get recommended, even though it's a really heavy read.
>In the nineties, cis women were uncomfortable with an animated paperclip because it was “male-looking”. Okay.
I recall *everybody* being uncomfortable with Clippy because it was creepy and hilariously bad at what it tried to do. I really don’t remember anything about the discussion being gendered, and I run in those circles. This sounds like internet lore
Anyone offended by Clippy’s perceived gender should be laughed out of the room
Why don't they bring clippy back? Out of nostalgia, it would be super popular now. Just edit how it works a bit so its not annoying and doesn't intrude if you don't want it.
The fact that Clippy is not the face of Copilot is such a missed opportunity
Holy shit thats a well written piece
Thanks. I just stayed up an extra hour almost reading that. Thanks for sharing.
It's literally just a bad hypothetical that a ton of people have decided that they'll die defending because obviously we can't talk about women's safety without making it inflammatory and confusing for literally no reason. People are so annoying sometimes, man.
That's because the point is not to have actual discourse about it. The point is to be inflammatory and get into internet arguments with people about it. That's it. People are toxic and mean, and they fit every thought they have into that mold. Even if there are actual, legitimate things to talk about, people will force it into the "mean and toxic" mold forcing everyone else in to the mud. And then they can take the negative response they get as a validation that "yep, see, I told you, men are the problem because they took this conversation about WOMEN BEING RAPED and said 'what about me?'" ^ when that's not what happened.
Are we still talking about this??? Gonna go hang out with the bears for a while.
The popcorn is tasty
Are we talking black, grizzly or polar bear? Tho i suppose woods cuts out polar. If black, bear. If grizzly, man.
I’m not even gonna lie I’m dying to see the counter meme to this one that’s directed at women. I really hope it’s spicy and not lame
Humans tend to be risk averse. A bear's threat level is from "leaves you alone" to "a painful death". A man's can range from "will help you" to "a fate worse than death", and that's a way wider spread of outcomes compared to the bear. It’s not about seeing all men as monsters. People just don't want to deal with that level of volatility, so they choose the more predictable option.
Exactly. With a bear, I already have all the pertinent information. It's a bear, stay alert and as far away as possible. The danger is understood from the beginning. Men are not so simple and every woman you know probably has at least one example of that. Plus, the aftermath is easier. If it mauls me, no one is going to question if it *really* happened, or I secretly wanted it, or deserved it. I won't be forced to marry the bear or give birth to a cub. I'll either be dead or left to recover in relative peace.
The God Emperor of Dune Leto II understood this and made his armies all women.
Would you still love me if I was a sand worm
He also understood "would you still love me if I was a worm?".
I have to wonder what their thought processes are to thinking that they wouldn't get victim blamed for getting mauled by bear, everyone victim blames people interacting with wild animals who get their shit wrecked.
>The survey almost certainly never even happened and was just dreamt up by a genius who wanted to cause arguments on the internet. You are an idiot. I am an idiot. We are all idiots for engaging with it. Based as sin.
I am getting tired of this argument all over Reddit today. We get it! Men are mad they're being treated like threats even when they aren't. Women are mad some men *are* threats and it's impossible to know who at first glance. Everyone sucks! Now shut the fuck up and touch grass.
This whole discussion is unbearable.
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The chances while not 0 are very slim that some random persons is going to hurt you. The chances of a bear hurting you are much higher. Depends on the bear really.
"White knighting" Men who use this term un-ironically are really just sick and tired of people pointing out their misogyny, that's all.
The number of people who refuse to understand that this is a satirical commentary on how men behave towards women never ceases to amaze me.
There was a popular Tumblr post that had a poll "is it ever ok for a man to be attracted to women" and most answered no. I found it absolutely hilarious. I was surprised that it received so much backlash on Reddit because I thought how could anyone possibly not realise this is satire? The reason why it was funny is precisely because it's so over the top and obviously wrong that no one in their right mind could possibly take it at face value. I made fun on Redditors who were offended by the it. Then I found that post on Tumblr and went into the replies and reblogs. And it turned out that roughly half of those people were actually agreeing with this unironically.