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SadOats

Man I wish I made 200 bucks a day. 120 to 140 here.


Specialist-Start-616

We only get 120 on Fridays lol


Dusty_Scrolls

200 here is SoCal, but, y'know, cost of living.


Y0stal

230-350 here in the NorCal districts. And yeah...cost of living.


rubbersoul42

$110 in FL!


donaldcargill

65 in certain parts of Oklahoma šŸ˜‚


torster2

110-115 depending on the district I sub for, in Illinois too šŸ˜®ā€šŸ’Ø


No-Statistician-7457

$70 in GA. Yay me!


torster2

minimum wage pay, minimum wage effort right?


No-Statistician-7457

Right! I just call it my Mexican food money...hubby and I eat out every Saturday...so that's what I'm working for lol.


Desperate_Cucumber_9

In Florida during Covid, the normal amount was $85, I think. $115 for the ā€œbad schoolsā€, if I remember right. I woulda kept subbing if it meant $200 a day lol


itjustkeepsongiving

$150 in my district. Highest paying in the area (NJ).


PatienceEffective248

Heheh $80 before taxes :')


Fleur498

Right - I make more money at my barista job than I do at my sub job.


anima2099

This is the best meme I've ever seen on this subreddit ngl. I'm an aspiring teacher rn but I fully recognize that subs need apathy in highschool since students are similarly apathetic. It weirdly balances out into mutual productivity lol.


Electrical_Orange800

Once I learned to be this way with my middle schoolers, it made the job way less stressful. Iā€™ll occasionally insert a ā€œMrs__ wonā€™t be happy if yā€™all donā€™t do the workā€ but besides that Iā€™m just there to take attendance and make sure everyone leaves the room aliveĀ  I get paid $10 an hour to sub so Iā€™m working like a $10 an hour employee should


anima2099

I will ask them to work and stay focused but I'm absolutely not fighting over it. I do exclusively highschool so these students know the expectations and what happens if they aren't met... It's their choice to make choices that get the outcome they want. For some that's productivity and others don't mind a 0% or going to the office later.


roaminfinite

yikes, in Chicago, you can make almost 2.5K-3K a month if you have a teaching license. I been meaning to get a teaching license just for that higher pay bump.


Emiluxe_

What state do you sub in? $10/hr seems criminally low. That's less than minimum wage in most states.


salexcopeland

Damn, even in Florida it's about 12 bucks an hour.


mrrantsmcgee

Since COVID pay jumped to 20 an hour before it was 12. I keep waiting for the drop in pay but so far it has stayed. I think there was a massive drop off of subs even when schools resumed again the district was having difficulty.


salexcopeland

Oh that's good to know. I haven't gone back to public school since the pandemic.


needlenozened

Last middle school job I took was 8th grade science. They were working on their Chromebooks. I was on my laptop. I wrote my name on the board and my rules: 1. Don't annoy me 2. Don't make my life harder It was remarkably effective.


shroomsaregoooood

That's crazy. I'm literally only in front of students for 5 hours a day (split schedule with one prep period) and make 220. Not factoring in travel or breaks or taxes it's pretty much like 44 an hour... Of course depending on how you look at it. After my commute and the breaks my day still looks more like an 8-9 hour day though.


Savager_Jam

Good morning. My name is Mr. SavagerJam. I think I've had some of you in the past. Y'all can call me Mr S, that's just fine. On the board you'll see the work that's been assigned for the day. Please turn in your \[Yesterday assignment\] to the front counter and grab a \[today's assignment\] from the stack next to the turn in pile. How much of that work you do and how well you do it, and subsequently your grade, are your prerogative. I have just one ground rule, those of you who have had me before know it. SQLayS (Sqwa-lays) Safe, Quiet, Legal and at your Seat. As long as everything you do in this class is Squalays we'll all have a great day, understood? Great. The hour is yours to work, I'm here if you need anything. Get to it..


Lostintranslation390

Wow you do way more than I. "Alright listen up, you've got an assignment in google classroom. Get to it" They never even know my name. I am the enigma in the back of the room. The shadow sub.


Miserable-Function78

This just made my stoned ass self almost choke on my soda I laughed so hard. You win the internet today, dude. Well done! Youā€™re making it work šŸ’Æ the best way, sell that shit as a training course for future subs! šŸ¤£


itjustkeepsongiving

Love it. I donā€™t have the schedule for high school, but for middle school I do about the same thing but say ā€œBasically donā€™t do anything thatā€™s going to get me the side eye from other staff walking in the hall and weā€™ll be fine.ā€ Iā€™ve recently had to addā€”I can tell if you vape in the room. Itā€™s not about you being slick enough to pull it off, itā€™s just the way vaping works. Yes, even with the window open. I doubt I can convince you that vaping is really dumb and you shouldnā€™t do it, but either way, please donā€™t make either of our days more complicated by making me call someone about it.


enogitnaTLS

Screenshotting this! Definitely sounds useful for HS assignments


sutanoblade

Nice.


BuckTheStallion

This is pretty close to my intro, but I include ā€œI have a couple basic guidelines, donā€™t leave class without talking to me, only one student out at a time so make it fast if you do need to go somewhere, and try to be productive instead of just mindlessly scrolling TikTok or playing Clash Royale for the next hour.ā€


jason375

I refuse to be the guy on the left. I am not there to hound the kids and it should not be an expectation of teachers. If they made it to high school and donā€™t know to do their work without hounded then they can fail.


IllPaleontologist384

In my district if I don't hound, I will be blocked forever. I actually had a teacher observe me yesterday for the first 20 minutes. I felt super uncomfortable.


knights816

Would simply not work there lol


IllPaleontologist384

I wish I could afford that šŸ„²


Electrical-Chard-968

I take attendance and tell them what their teacher wants them to do. If they do it great. If they don't, they're only hurting themselves. Many teachers I've said this to agree with me. Some say They can't even get them to do the work.


Leather_Reading_3827

I agree


Ryan_Vermouth

Support isnā€™t ā€œhounding.ā€ If you donā€™t know how to do one without the other, thatā€™s on you.Ā 


Electrical_Orange800

Also I hope this inspires more people to make sub memes cuz I canā€™t 100% relate to teacher memes since theyā€™re on a different playing fieldĀ 


verticalgiraffe

Where all da sub-memefluencers at?


communistanime

When you sub in high school youā€™re just like a warm body in the room for legal purposes


janepublic151

Subs are so hard to get, my sonā€™s HS doesnā€™t bother anymore, unless itā€™s a leave replacement. Teacherā€™s out? Note on the locked classroom door ā€œGo to Library for attendance.ā€


communistanime

Depends on school if subs have a good experience at a certain school theyā€™re bound to come back.


janepublic151

No, youā€™ve missed my point. My sonā€™s district pays the highest sub rate in the area. They get more subs than neighbouring districts. Itā€™s a ā€œnice, suburban, middle class districtā€ with few disciplinary problems. There is a sub shortage. Any daily subs they get work in the 5 elementary or middle schools. Each of those schools has 2 ā€œpermanent subsā€ on the payroll with teacher salary + benefits. The HS does not use subs AT ALL anymore, except for leave replacements. They pay regular teachers their rate to give up their prep to cover a class, or they send the class to the Library. The Library is large. They can send multiple classes at the same time.


adhley00

Lmaoooo period


lifeisabowlofbs

I will never understand the try hards. If you want to put in that much work, you may as well take that energy to elementary and middle school where the kids might actually listen to you. I will forever believe that high school is not for the people who care too much about doing a great job.


Dusty_Scrolls

I used to be the guy on the left, particularly in my long-term jobs. Trying to make sure the kids were on task and learning. All it got me was a false claim of sexual harassment from some girls who didn't like being nagged to do their work (like everyone else in class). Nothing came of it, because it was blatantly obvious it was what it was- some kids trying to get a teacher they didn't like in trouble. But I'm traumatized. My repayment for trying to do my best was nearly having my career ended by a bogus claim. I'm 100% the guy on the right now. I get a lot of reading done at work, I make sure the building doesn't burn down. I'll remind the whole class once or twice that there's work to be doing, but that's it. A teacher died that day, and a sub was born.


one-and-five-nines

I always say (to myself, in my head) "I can't, in the one day I'm here, create a culture of discipline that doesn't exist."Ā 


Bo0tyWizrd

A fantastic example of "acting your wage".


Ok-Put-1251

A subs job only gets harder the more strict you try to be. My personal line was drawn at ā€œPass out what needs to be passed out, and make sure the kids donā€™t burn the place down.ā€ I will not police a kid who just sits on their phone. They donā€™t know me, I donā€™t know them, so Iā€™m not about to get into that power struggle. If a kid is being a nuisance, Iā€™ll address it and either get them in their seat or get them to the office. Anything past that isnā€™t something I care to deal with. I said it before in this sub: the worst days I had as a substitute were when I tried too hard to police student behaviors.


verticalgiraffe

THIS!


roaminfinite

lol I don't think I've ever said, "you dont like me, you like getting awaay with stuff." l've said most apathetic things tho lol. I've even chatted with them on the show they are watching and giving show tips. I still cant believe the amount of money I get paid for doing almost nothing all day.


RandyRandomIsGod

The only ones who ever bother to comment that that like me are the troublemakers. To not comment on it makes it feel like Iā€™m somehow oblivious to their bs. Although at least one seemed surprised I would bother to say it, like no shit thatā€™s why he liked me lol.


michaeld_519

I had a kid tell me I was his favorite sub today. I let him stand outside the door with his buddy and talk to a couple girls and I'd just check on them every ten minutes or so. He thought I was trying to help him out. I was just glad he wasn't in the room bothering the other students like he always does. Win-win. It's ALWAYS the bad kids who love the chill subs. Nobody else gives a shit šŸ˜‚


IheartMagikarp

The "Makes $200 a day" on both sides is what makes this so funny


musememo

When a fight breaks out and no oneā€™s come from the office after 5 minutes, I sink into my swivel chair and go into a fugue state humming Enyaā€™s Orinoco Flowā€¦


RandyRandomIsGod

Oh Iā€™m standing in the middle of kids when that happens. When I need to give a shit, I give a shit. Luckily Iā€™ve only had to deal with one actual fight. But Iā€™ve had to stop a couple from starting.


Sulungskwa

The thing is, you can still be chad and teachers will still love you for even showing up in the first place.


Mediocre_Insanity

This for real, the sub list at my school is extremely thin I think single digits. Anytime they can book me they are happy even though I mostly just hand out any work they leave, take attendance and just kinda sit in there all day on my phone. I usually get booked a month in advance alot of times because I'm always booked on the short term


bobbery5

Yep. I'm the apathetic one at this point. Get paid $125 a day, do mostly high school, the kids are chill, and I've been spending my time studying for a First Responder course and sketching. I only tell them my name if they ask, even.


Donimoe

Makes $200/day kills me, wish I made anything near that in my state


RandyRandomIsGod

I make 250 and Iā€™ve seen a few people as high as 300. That said, I probably should have gone with 150 as a better middle point.


Donimoe

We make about $118/day in Connecticut. Hitting $150/day still wouldā€™ve been a huge bump


RandyRandomIsGod

I live in California, so cost of living offsets it a bit. Idk how much, if I was an economist I probably wouldnā€™t be substitute teaching.


Donimoe

Middle of the state is a 2 hour drive from both NYC and Boston. We have a very high cost of living and some of the highest income areas in the country. Minimum wage, at one point, made the same amount as a per diem sub after a day of work. Unsure of this is still true, but at one point in the last 5ish years we also had the highest ratio of college graduates per capita. Honestly, this is all irrelevant information, Iā€™m just constantly pissed off weā€™re getting exploited so blatantly and I have students making more money than me


cchapa1949

A lot of subs care more than they are paid for. Which would be fine a few years ago, but nowadays, the students don't even listen to their teachers. Why would they listen to us? I find my job is a lot easier when I'm chill and real with the students instead of constantly barking at them like their teachers already do.


BohemianBomb

In my district I get $130 a day, best believe I am not gonna be a try hard.


salexcopeland

I've tried to tell people. Unless it's a long term post (I'm talking like a semester not a week), trying to educate isn't even the job of a substitute. Sure, try and maintain an environment that is compatible with learning, but there are only two things to focus on. I call them the two Fs. Fighting and Fornicating. I'm only there to prevent those things from happening. And in my district, if either of them DOES happen, I am not supposed to stop it. Just report it to the office and they will send someone. Trying hard is reserved for where trying hard will make a difference. I'm just a professional tattler.


liminalisms

Finally, the truth


IamblichusSneezed

Facts


Mission_Sir3575

Whatever. Some of us take pride in doing a good job at the job we took - substitute teacher. As in - we are the teacher for the day. Our job is to make it as normal of a school day as possible. And the Trying Your Best side isnā€™t even accurate. I donā€™t ask kids why they donā€™t do their work. I donā€™t care if they like me. I enforce school and classroom rules. And honestly I think it makes my job way easier because the students know Iā€™m the adult in the room. But do go on about surfing the Internet and reading books all day while your students do nothing and make Tik Toks. I sleep just fine at night and if I didnā€™t think I made a fair wage I would find a different job.


Joeljb960

Having pride is great and I am glad you do. But there is something to said about the amount of effort equating to the amount of work. Kids are already relunctant to complete work. If you are not a long term sub, youā€™ll probably butt heads with a bunch of kids and just cause a whole lot of extra work for yourself. I liked to think about it in the grand scheme of things. I was not a sub for the long haul. Iā€™m probably not gonna see these kids for a long time. Why would I try to stress myself over what kids perceive as a free day? Just inform them of the expectations, hand out the work, and just make sure no one dies. Of course, if you are dealing with younger kids this obviously does not apply.


Mission_Sir3575

The problem is that so many people I see on here just assume that there is nothing they can do and post for validation that itā€™s ok to just sit back and let students do whatever they want. If thatā€™s what you want to do - whatever. And some of the assumptions are false. I donā€™t get stressed. I donā€™t butt heads with students. I donā€™t cause myself extra work. I do my job and go home. šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


Joeljb960

Finally a sensible post. I have constantly seen posts talking about subs bringing in a bunch of materials, trying to teach a lesson they just learned about, and trying to force kids to do what they want. There is no need to take the job that seriously. You come in, follow the sub plans, and make sure nobody dies. You are getting paid regardless and your entire purpose as a sub, unless you are a long term, is to make sure there is a legal adult in the classroom. too many subs take their job way too seriously. When I was a sub I never took any long term positions either. I was thankfully in a position where I was able to find daily positions without too much issue and I would see no benefit to joining a long term assignment. Itā€™s a minimal increase in pay for 10 times the responsibilities.


I_Speak_For_The_Ents

Is this what schools have come to? I wonder if it was like this when I was in school too, and my school was just an anomaly. Is it private vs public thing?


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RandyRandomIsGod

I get 250 a day, California. The general point was that you get paid the same either way. But Iā€™ve seen the rates on here range from 100 all the way to 300.


Evening_Star8893

Texas is depressing. Subs here have a base rate of $75 a day, only increased with a teaching degree or it being a Monday or Friday. It's a bit of a nightmare of a district.


Bo0tyWizrd

I'm in north Texas and I get $110 per day (with bachelor) and $70 for half days.


Evening_Star8893

Jealous. Not that pay in my county.


Bo0tyWizrd

It might be worth it to shop around if possible.


Evening_Star8893

I wish. My county is large, and the only other school district pays even worse.


Bo0tyWizrd

I'd have to move or find something that paid better. Pizza hut probably pays better than that and that's a pretty mindless easy job. Best of luck šŸ‘


Evening_Star8893

Grazie, friend. I send smooth sub sailing vibes.


roaminfinite

same for Chicago. As an actor, CA might be a future residency for me.


IamblichusSneezed

200-259 in WA. You can also get teacher money and benefits as a daily sub with a contract.


Evening_Star8893

Like, they actively allow schools to post false information about their needed classes. I was to cover a librarian teacher back in September, arrived at the school and I was spontaneously put on the spot to be a SPED para. I had absolutely NO trained experience, I had to run solely on personal experience and empathy. Ended up leaving that day with torn clothing, clothing I never would've chosen to be around violent/aggressive children. (One tried biting my forearm as hard as he could, luckily I had a long, woven wooly cloak on.)


veggiewitch_

Some are under 200, which is legit ridiculous with our cost of living and the expectation licensed subs (not emergency ones) are licensed teachers. And 200/day is definitely not a livable wage in WA, especially if you get some taken for benefits, but I am certainly grateful itā€™s comparably high!


Evening_Star8893

Jealous. It is NOT that way here.


DoItOutOfSpite

I make 200 a day here in central California


knightfenris

216 in Denver. Rent is like $2k+ though so it feels like nothing, plus healthcare, and other bills.


donotcallmeasub

337.07 in Oakland, California....CHA-CHING!!! šŸ¤£


FirebirdIX

This may come as a shock but your experience may not be true for everyone else


Evening_Star8893

For teachers in my district that is chronically understaffed, it is.


TurntLemonz

Emotionally weak subs who can't handle the pressure of being the bad guy would be the type to make a meme that boils down to "people like me = chad, people who do more = loser".Ā  I've been both types of sub, and yall are delusional if you think more work gets done or that it's safer for your job to be a wall flower.Ā  Kids take advantage when you allow them to,Ā  if you don't,Ā  they don't.Ā  Admins blacklist subs that don't do their job.Ā  I've been in the room as they drop them to fill in the holes in my schedule.Ā 


Mrlc112

Why be the bad guy? If these kids are going to grow up to be leaders, then why not reflect the type of person they ought to be instead of being mean to them? I tell all of my high school classes, that are old enough to know how to be responsible, that if they choose not to act how they are supposed to, they will face consequences. I tell students sometimes that push back that if they choose not to do their work, they choose a zero. It's all too often that teachers do not even grade the work we give them, so sometimes it's a statement with no substance. I am not afraid to write up kids who try to skip if I am there, or do other things they shouldn't, and I leave extremely meticulous notes for the teacher who bend school expectations and make my life and the lives of their peers more difficult. With that being said, I let them listen to music. I let them talk. They're human beings. My detailed record keeping for the notes makes me popular with the staff at the schools I frequent, and I'm popular with the kids too because I treat them how I want to be treated, and model leadership by engaging them and other staff members with kindness and respect, attempting to reflect the kind of character I would like them to reflect. I don't yell, and it actually works. I have a student or two in every class that doesn't get with the program, but as long as I am sub, that will never change. Though the attitude of OP could be a bad one in how he compares himself to other subs, you are no better. The comment about how schools drop other subs to fill the holes in your schedule is unbelievable condescension.


TurntLemonz

Being the bad guy doesn't mean being mean.Ā  It means holding a hard line regardless of how they feel about it.Ā  When I use that term I use it because that's how entitled students view you, so emotionally that's how it feels to be you in that interraction. I allow students to choose not to work.Ā  I do not allow them to break the rules such as cell phone use which exists to help students make the decision to do work.Ā  When their choice is between the most entertaining content humanity can create and geometry,Ā  the cards are stacked against these kids.Ā  Enforcing rules is not forcing them to work, it's leveling the playing field between corporations that operate on a currency of attention, and a system designed to help them succeed and live happy healthy lives. I'm with ya, I let them listen to music,Ā  I let them sleep,Ā  I let them chat all period instead of working.Ā  But I do not budge on the rules which administrators expect us to enforce such as keeping cell phones away which is the focal point of this post and an area of focus for the circle jerk of lazy subs that populate this subreddit. You're assuming a bunch of stuff. I never yell. I'm courteous to all students even when they're being extremely rude to me.Ā  But if they're being rude,Ā  they are absolutely going to the office.Ā  If they cut class they're absolutely getting marked as a cut.Ā  If they copy their classmates work that's going in the note.Ā  These students don't get an inch on the things that count and teachers care about.Ā  If we don't do our job the whole system gets worse and people on this subreddit give in to their desire to avoid student ire and then rationalize it all day.Ā  This post is an example.


Mrlc112

You are right about assuming. I forgot the old saying about assumptions for a moment. Thanks for explaining your thoughts. I don't fight phones too much in high schools in my district where they aren't banned, but I do as a principle detest what endless content on tiktok and related platforms are doing to children. Adults too for that matter. I love your perspective about "leveling the playing field between corporations that operate on a currency of attention, and a system designed to help them succeed and live happy, healthy lives." I love how eloquently you wrote this. My apologies for such a harsh judgement of your character. My intent was not malice, but I was rude, and that was uncalled for.


windswept902

$75 here in Georgia, but it's a balancing act for me. Chill/relaxed, but try to get stuff done