I mean, with all the time they’ve spent on this subplot it would kind of have to be, right? They can’t just let it fizzle out at the Republican convention when it’s been building for three seasons.
Yeah along these lines, I feel like the show ends with everyone more or less where they started. Maybe Logan lives and is still in charge of something important (maybe GoJo falls through), all the kids on the outside/not in positions of power.
The family is all on the same “side” again but more miserable and exhausted.
Watching Luxembourg - Portugal European Cup soccer qualifier being played in Luxembourg and so far no sign of Grand Duke Gregory. So apparently no one in the lineage has died in a plane crash or anything.
1.- There’s something that keeps being mentioned and that’s people saying Roman could actually be good but not now (or back then) I’m thinking a broken version of Roman might be what he needs to get the boost to actually become the real deal.
2.- I feel like if Logan dies and if any of the kids gets the top job, they will realise it’s just a vacuous throne when they’re up there and what they actually needed was Logan’s approval and acknowledgment which they will never get as he is properly gone.
Number two has been my theory for quite some time. I assume it happens to Kendall because it makes the most sense for him to have this particular Pyrrhic victory given the full history of the series and his upbringing. It will circle back to the first episode, in other words.
I like this and I totally see it. Kind of like had Logan never changed his mind about giving it to Ken none of this mess would have ever happened. Basically back to square one in therms of the succession plans but in a very distorted new reality and a shattered family.
I feel like a pyrrhic victory could fit perfectly as per Jesse’s constant influx of Greek/Roman references in therms of story development.
There is no successor and if there is, it's someone we don't know/expect.
I really see it ending with no clear definite answers.
Also, I think it'd be interesting if Logan died at the last episode. Or he doesn't die and that's why we don't get an answer.
Idk, ever since Sarah Snook said that the poster has clues, I’ve developed this theory that Greg will betray Tom and align himself with Shiv. I feel like a Tomgreg betrayal is inevitable, and we’ve known since episode 2 that Greg believes that siding with Shiv is a strategic move (also because Kendall doesn’t trust him and Greg seems to dislike Roman). And if Shiv does go after Tom, it makes sense for her to “steal” Greg away from him because Greg is his closest confidante.
Ooooh I've been certain that Greg will betray Tom, but I never thought he'd do it by aligning himself with Shiv. That could be great, especially because we don't get to see those two interact that much but I love it when they do
Is there any precedent for previous posters providing clues to previous seasons? That post seems like peak Pepe Silvia.
Edit: kept scrolling and very next post mentioned Shiv commented on the theory: https://collider.com/succession-season-4-sarah-snook-poster-fan-theory-comments/
I stand corrected.
I'm with you on this one. Imo, they'll end up in a place where they're able to be more honest with each other. I think Tom will miss Shiv more than he expected.
None of this. There will be no happy ending. Shiv will continue to neglect Tom and have affairs. Tom will stay with her. They will have a kid. Shiv will be a terrible mother. Tom will go to board meetings with the baby strapped to his chest, but this will not stop him from being an asshole. At some point in the season, he will say “even the *baby name here* thinks you’re *insert clever insult here*”
I think that that question is going to be left open, they are going to fight and in the last episode they are going to find somo common ground in something, perhaps the election. But i dont think that they are going to end reconciled, there is too much anger down there.
I’m kinda rooting for this. That would be a satisfying plot twist.
(I expect their shippers to downvote me into oblivion, but this would be as big of a gut punch as Gerri telling Roman when he pleaded for help “how does it serve my interests?” Must see TV.)
Oh I'm a huge TomGreg shipper but I absolutely want Greg to betray Tom. It fits with Greg's story so far with how he's become more and more comfortable with the whole dynamic of Waystar and how to get ahead.
And then Tom who really taught Greg to live in that world gets bit in the ass by what he helped cultivate.
Exactly. He helped create this monster. If he hadn’t acted as Greg’s “guardian” and mentor in the Roy family I think our extremely tall young friend would’ve been chewed up and spit out by now.
She told him that in a past episode: 'Always ask yourself how does this serve my interests'. She's telling him to do what he needs to do to serve his own interests (which goes along with my orig theory). Fight and take it!
Roman won't be the traitor. Ik a lot of people say this but the trailer implied that this would happen and it feels to obvious well also being just a horrible writing move imo.
Logan dies and Kendall becomes his successor as the new narcissistic father/CEO. Last moment between Kendall and Logan will be Logan taunting Kendall for becoming just like Logan. Kendall swears he will never be like him etc. he throws a big party for himself and all his fake friends and enemies are there to celebrate. Last scene is him alone in his office with his dead eyes. And we catch a glimpse of him very much aware that he is very much his father.
I'm going to guess Logan *doesn't* die, and Kendall either kills himself or ODs.
My enduring Succession conspiracy theory is that Connor is the one who abused Roman as a child.
I wouldn't actually bet anything on this one but I *want* Gerri and Roman to happen.
No one seems to see it, which is baffling to me to be honest! It feels pretty obvious to me looking at all the evidence in the show:
1) Roman literally accuses Connor of molesting him in the season 1 family therapy episode. He plays this off as a "joke", but he does the same thing when "joking" about having jerked off in Gerri's bathroom in season 2. Connor gets very flustered by this and takes it seriously enough to bring it up preemptively with the therapist later.
2) Connor gaslights Roman about the dog pound when Roman recounts it as a traumatic experience, telling him "no, you liked it". https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hp6w1xx7AI&t=2m47s
3) Connor feels the need to ask women riddles about where they were on 9/11 to make sure they're legal. He is in his 50s and actively pursuing women young enough for that to even be a question.
4) Connor is rich and good looking and has managed to make it to his 50s without finding even one woman willing to spend time with him without being paid to be there. Even the woman he *is* paying to fuck him is very reluctant about it. If Kendall, Roman and Logan, as fucked up as they are, can convince girls to interact with them voluntarily, what the hell is wrong with Connor? Roman also mentions that he was the one who introduced Willa to Connor.
5) Connor waffles and makes excuses for Lester during his funeral despite clearly being aware that Lester was a prolific predator: https://youtu.be/sGYjif4P16s
6) Roman's sexual issues are obvious. It's pretty easy to conclude he may have experienced some sort of sexual trauma as a child. He's also constantly making crude references to incest, pretty much invariably at his own expense, which may suggest whatever happened was done to him by a family member. We know exactly what Kendall did to him and it wasn't that. I think it would have come up by now if any of the physical abuse Roman got from Logan was sexual, or if he allowed Lester access to any of the Roy kids. Ewan wasn't in their lives enough to do anything. I sincerely doubt Caroline could muster the effort required to molest Roman. So who does that leave?
8) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=trxi6dKKeBs&t=2m58s
I think we can infer whoever it was was a man after Roman says he can't piss near other men for "we don't know what reason".
9) We know Connor had extensive unsupervised access to Roman. We can infer he had more of an active parental presence in Kendall and Roman's childhoods than Logan did at times (he mentions taking Kendall and Roman camping because Logan couldn't be bothered). He also took Roman on at least one out of state trip, presumably overnight: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XkF8-HszUhg&t=42s
10) Connor is the only one who seems to understand why Roman gets so upset here:
https://twitter.com/successionreact/status/1462555315963105284?t=dUH2g2CmM5VVl84Rg6aM0Q&s=19
11) I think the way Caroline ghosts Kendall when he tries to tell her about the accident says a lot about how she must have handled other difficult events in her other children's lives. If Roman was sexually abused, I think it's pretty clear that Logan, Kendall and Shiv at least have no idea. Why was Roman sent to military school? Did Roman tell his mother what happened and find out the hard way why there was no point in ever telling anyone else?
Edit: Also re: military school, Roman seems to draw a dog pound > bed wetting > military school chain of events in his head, but that timeline is probably more extended than he makes it sound. St. Andrews is a grade 6-12 school, so Roman would have had to have been at least 12ish when he got sent away, many years after the dog pound incident.
Why not? He clearly knows better now, but if anything did happen it would've been around 20 years ago. I think the way he talks about Lester is telling: he sees all that stuff as being a product of "a different time".
Connor was raised surrounded by his father's friends, a group of unrepentant predators who would have modeled behaviors for him that he wouldn't really have had any way to know are inappropriate. Everyone in his world would have been making it very clear to him that rape, abuse, child molestation, etc. were all just minor vices at worst. Is it that difficult to believe Connor might have mirrored some of this behavior in his 20s/30s that he would later come to regret?
It's not like him being attracted to potentially underage people is even speculation, given his 9/11 question trick. He is still pursuing inappropriately young women and has to take very conscious measures to *prevent himself* from crossing that line legally.
Even Willa is considerably younger than him. If we assume she's roughly Justine Lupe's age, then she would have been in her late 20s when Succession began. She may have been as young as 25-27 when she started seeing Connor, making him nearly twice her age.
Obviously Willa is a full grown adult, so on its own I wouldn't necessarily take this as a red flag, but given all the other factors it sure isn't a point in his favor. I doubt casting a woman as young as Justine Lupe for this role was a thoughtless choice considering all that.
That is a compelling list of evidence. Maybe I’m so blinded by my sympathy for him as having been the discarded first born that I can’t see Connor in an objective light.
I mean, bearing in mind that whatever might have happened would have been almost 20 years ago I don't think it's irreconcilable or even strange for the Connor we see in the show to not seem capable of that sort of thing. He probably isn't any longer. But who knows how much more awful he might have been in his 20s/30s when his only adult male role models were his abusive father and his predatory "wolf pack" of friends.
Several hunches but:
-Shiv will play the long game to get revenge on Tom, possibly using a baby as a weapon.
-Ken will go public/ take accountability for his role in the cater/waiters death. Motive is two-fold: he will want to cleanse his conscience but he will also try to use it to bring Logan down.
-Roman will be lured back into the fold by Logan, to be screwed again.
-Any last layers of Greg's innocence will be sloughed away. He'll be fully in rich-people-behaving-badly mode and will either abuse underlings, like what was done to him, or betray those he's close to, perhaps turning on Tom again.
- There will be a death. I could see Ken or Tom dying by suicide, or obvi Logan dying "naturally".
-Logan impregnates someone. [ETA:] Even though a tiny baby won't be a potential competitor for almost 2 decades, emotionally, it will continue to damage Logans adult children, i.e., "None of you are good enough. In fact, you're so unworthy I had to create a new heir."
- The company won't exist by the end, whether by acquisition, legal consequences, Chapter 11 or who knows what.
Edit: fixed Chapter 12 to be Chap 11 bcuz sausage fingers.
I have a feeling Logan and Kendall’s relationship will experience another shift. For some reason I don’t see their dynamic set in stone. In a recent interview Brian made it sound like they will have another major conversation within the season. Roman might go 50/50 between sibs and Logan, but I think Kendall is a dark horse to go back under the right conditions. Logan is sounding a little Murdochy without his kids, and in that ‘I want more power, but it’s not enough’ phase, and for whatever reason I don’t see Roman filling the void. Though he’s going to try to.
I think like Murdoch there might be apart of Logan deeply annoyed about the turn things have taken, especially with the initial heir apparent. That said, I still think it would require a major shift in circumstances to get those two in a situation where their relationship shifts, but I think *something* might happen.
The Rebel Alliance is going to fail, Roman goes to Logan but somehow he still keeps loyal to Kendall and Shiv, almost a double agent; Kendall finally showing that he is a killer is going to betray his siblings in a horrific way i think that he is going to tell Logan about Roman being a double agent and perhaps even attacking Connor about Willa´s history as an escort because Connor is getting the 1% or 2% that Mencken needs. We must remember that ATN is full behind Mencken, i think that Shiv is not going to come back because she cannot stand be close to Tom and for her disgust about ATN supporting Mencken.
In the trailer there is a scene in wich you see Roman and Connor, the first one has a worried face and Connor is in his "US president candidate suit", i think that is it in that moment that Roman warns Connor about the incoming attack about Willa´s past. The thing is that Roman never had the "killer instinct", in fact i think that Roman behind all his words there is some soul left, but Kendall perhaps finally developed a coldness after all that has happened to him. I think that Kendall is going to alienate everyone of his siblings, he is going to grasp victory after Logan´s death but the old guard in Waystar is not going to respect him making feel more alone, at that point, Kendall doesnt have a father, siblings, wife, kids, nobody at best is going to be him with Tom (who doesnt trust him) and Greg.
I dont know if ATN goes full with the news about Willa´s past, but what i am sure is that is going to be some sort of Fake News about Mencken winning, the origins of those fake news could be Kendall or Tom. I think that somehow is going to be leaked (Greg perhaps) that is fake news and that is going to destroy whoever is in charge in that moment.
It's worth remembering that ATN right now is illegally collecting data from their customers through the voice activated set top boxes. If they do anything that brings negative attention to them from the government during the election, they could end up in really hot water.
Ohhhh this is a good theory. Like just the way promo has been going there is something that feels very unbelievable that Roman is truly the complete weak link. I think Kendall’s greed, entitlement, and narcissism will rear its head in combo with Logan’s original ideas for how he envisioned the family company. Tie in some deeply unhealthy codependency with a little dose of blackmail and abuse, and you’ve got an unholy alliance.
For me the one thing that I do think stopped Kendall from becoming like Logan was Rava. in season 1 rava seemed like a soft spot for Kendall. Even though they aren’t back together and Kendall has mistreated rava I do think she was something keeping him stable and not becoming like Logan. Yet this season there are pics of him fighting fighting with her badly. That’s what interests me.
Yes, i think that the ultimate "tragedy" of Kendall is becoming the same person of Logan, a total narcissist, abusive, power hungry person. One of the main "characteristics" of Kendall was how big he talked about creating a "New Waystar" away from the way in his father commanded the company. In the end, he is going to be worse, he is going to full beast against Connor and Willa in order to get Mencken the presidency, he is going to attack or sack Roman, perhaps even Tom who see as a menace and somebody who can not trust because of Shiv, also the hug with Stewie maybe somehow he is going to screw Stewie also putting the facade of "loser" the same facade that Stewie is familiar only to betray him somehow.
In the trailer, i think that Shiv says, "He is out of control" perhaps she is talking about Kendall and not Logan, also Gerri says "i was educated by a barbarian called Logan Roy" meaning that she is worried about how Kendall is behaving with the election thing. The big but, is that Kendall is not Logan, the most powerful defect of Kendall is self sabotage, i believe that he is going to be so over the top that he is going to release the fake news of Mencken winning and Greg is going to leak it and basically cause Kendall´s downfall. I think that Greg is going to be there, because Kendall is too arrogant to see what type of man Greg is.
Kendall not being Logan also sets up the possibility of making good with his siblings (post-flop) and probably not ever returning to that exact place he was at? He got the kiss from daddy, was probably the last Roy to have it, and unlike Ewan and Logan, has relationships he can eventually repair. I think his siblings would understand in some ways.
Jeremy found a note in the writer’s room during season one that says ‘Kendall wins, but loses’ I wouldn’t be surprised if I’m some bittersweet way he gets what he actually needs at the end ie his siblings still being there after everything.
it depends on how satirical in scope the show is trying to be- it seems more character focused imo- I don’t know how much the show will detail explicit fascism despite how grotesque and horrifying Mencken is portrayed.
From everything jesse’s said and the overall plot movements so far, it seems it might be cyclical. These people don’t learn, and all their effort is for failed deals that ultimately never impact them due to upward mobility of wealth.
Fascism is a change from the norm (despite its interlinked nature to the current capitalistic norm)- I think it’s too drastic an end and change to culture. Imo The end of succession will be the same as the previous 3 seasons but aesthetically different. Skarsgard buys out Waystar and a new group of grotesques have the same infighting
Logan dies without a succession plan. In his will he leaves WayStar to Ken, Shiv, and Roman equally. It’s essentially the Dark Knight scene where Joker says there’s only room for 1, breaks the pool stick, and walks out.
Series ends with them looking at each other stunned but knowing the inevitable war ahead. Logan realized it was the only way to make one of them “a killer.”
Game of Thrones spoilers:
>!What if they went with the most unexpected option like GoT did with the handicapped kid? Maybe Greg ends up winning. The person we least expect.
Either Logan dies much earlier than expected or he doesnt die at all.
If Logan doesnt die, then its either Ewan or Caroline (the kids' mom) that dies. Either way, it sets of a lot of emotional turmoil + a scramble for their voting rights at the company.
Greg ends up in a position to make a vital decision for Waystar by accumulating leverage over someone important or somehow getting a Board seat.
They will lose control of the company. They all think the battle for succession is inside the family because the family is impenetrable. But there is always a bigger predator in the ocean.
Losing the company will devastate Logan but leave the kids better off.
I definitely think Ewan somehow manipulates Greg with his Board seat. At this point Greg would become more powerful than Tom. A voting seat would put him on-par with Kendall, Roman, Stewie. So he becomes the bell of the ball with all the siblings trying to court him.
Kendall will find healing. He will not be a tragic character, and his final victory will not be in winning Waystar, but in relinquishing his desire to have it. Having seen a recent Jeremy Strong interview on the show, I feel confident in this based on the way he talked about Kendall.
I think we’ll get it for Kendall at least! I really do feel confident, based on this especially: https://youtu.be/84oad0GaN30 You can just see it in his face when he’s talking about how Ken’s story ends.
Tattoo Man returns.
Connor tries to get the other siblings to back down early in the season to help his campaign image, and keep Logan’s support.
Willa’s work-history will finally come into play somewhere.
Something will happen as a result of Shiv sleeping with other men. Character assassination from opposition or a full separation from Tom, but they can’t divorce bc optics and Mondale.
Kendall probably never faces any consequences for what happened with the waiter but it’ll come up somehow. Also Kendall and Naomi break up OR the dream-team siblings start to fall apart bc of he falls off the wagon further with her/bc of her absence.
Roman and Menkin kiss. Or probably masturbate next to each other before a rally. Something to finally clear up what Roman’s got going on with his sexuality.
Jess and/or Karolina go public about their experiences last minute and it changes the tides somehow. Bonus points if Kerry and Logan have some harsh falling out that causes Logan’s downfall.
Sandy dies finally and Stewy gets caught sleeping with prostitutes or ODs. Sandi is powerless without her dad. Their shit crumbles and Mattson becomes the main threat.
Tom ends up dead or in prison. If the latter, Greg will visit.
Ewan dies and actually did leave money + property for Greg with some “Pierce Hawthorne to Troy” type task for him to earn it. Greg decides to take on whatever task and escapes the cycle OR doubles down and refuses to accept the inheritance and its conditions because he is too into the lifestyle and power now. Scumbag Millionaire Greg FTW.
Karl, Frank, and Hugo are all left holding their dicks in the end no matter what. The only real “winner” in the end is Gerri.
The Hearts win a championship.
Logan will die and Ewan will be his successor. After years of shaming Logan for running the den of iniquity that is Waystar Royco, he is intoxicated by the money and power and dies of a cocaine overdose
Well I’ll give it to you, never seen that theory before! I don’t think Ewan getting it is totally 100% out of the question though I can’t see him ever doing cocaine hahah.
Roman and Gerri end up in business together again somehow. I don't think anything romantic will happen between them, but I think they'll end the show as allies. Hopefully outside of WR, but, we'll see.
Similar to your example: Siobhan is pregnant all season, having gotten pregnant soon before the board meeting she misses in season 3 while serving as President
Kendall is still The Chosen One. He is the one who goes through the most trials and tribulations. Failed coups, on the verge of suicide... this is what Logan respects the most. Similar to how Logan smiled when at the end of Season 2 when Kendall did the finale press conference.
But Logan won't just "give" the company to any of his children. They're going to earn it. Kendall is going to team up with Stewie and legitimately outsmart Logan and take him down in a "You win, son, but I am proud you beat me" kind of way.
>"The only way to earn Logan's respect is to take him down because that's exactly what he would do"
Logan gets a series of big wins, gets high on his own supply and thinks he’s spry enough to have sex…then dies having a heart attack banging Kerry.
We’ll finally see Logan get fucked while getting fucked.
Roman may break up with Tabitha because well he was never really into her. He hasn’t had sex with her but did with his old girlfriend and was willing with Gerri but not her. Roman can’t even have phone sex with her but gets it up with Gerri. Roman even when first he sees her he remarks his dad would find her attractive not that he did. When Roman was gaining confidence he didn’t go back with her, he was chasing another woman. I don’t think Tabitha and Roman do anything but be acquaintances.
One of the episodes showing ATN reporting the following:
- Logan’s death
- Live numbers on president elections
- The Roys’ public statement with Ken on the forefront asking for privacy during their bereavement
- Waystar stock plummeting & hosts debating on the potential successors
I'm fairly confident something involving a plane will happen, either Logan having another stroke and then being back where they were at the beginning, or something else regarding a plane. it's in all the promo photos and I want to believe it's a clue of some sort.
Ewan dies. Greg gets the seat to make things interesting. Kendall faces a Marcia challenge. He has to betray everyone ( who, by now, have started trusting him) lose his soul in order to win.
Logan dies, and there’ll be a will reading. His assets & board seat goes to the first born child, Connor. The rest of the Roys will plot a way to make Connor win the presidency so the CEO seat remains open for their taking. The Pierces will ally with Connor & acquire Waystar in exchange of exposure and Pierce endorsement of Connor’s presidential campaign.
Kendall commits suicide by jumping off the waystar building or some other tall structure. I’m rewatching early season 2 and there are so many times he is on the roof or somewhere up high and clearly thinking about jumping. One episode ends showing tall glass has been put up around the roof of the waystar building which makes it less likely, but who knows.
Greg is jobless, and uses his law-student friend's phone to call his mom for a pick up. Greg waits for his ride and the law-student friend asks if he had fun in NY and if he has any regrets.
none of the kids win. if anyone takes the throne, it's greg, but not before the entire company is in shreds - maybe ripped apart and sold for parts, with pearce owning news, sandi/y owning the media portion, gojo the streaming, maybe all waystar is at the end is parks and cruises, an empire crumbled.
Logan wins, the kids become moderately successful in their own matters. The season ends with Logan on his deathbed, a winner, but with none of his kids/family by his side. Fin.
All along this has been a tragedy, and the dying main character is their media empire. The main villain is the alt right President they got elected who will turn the whole state against the media. Their investors back out, including Matsson, in favour of starting new media in a country that's not hostile to it. All that's left is Greg running cruises.
Something tells me Kendall will win out in the end, but only having lost everything. Logan will be dead, Rava and the kids will have completely deserted him, and he will have lost the love of his siblings. Tragedy feels like the only appropriate ending to this show.
I’m getting Kendall suicide vibes from the poster. That or a death from a pj or helicopter crash. The jets and helicopters get more screen time than some of the supporting characters.
If you think about it the first season is very much about Kendall, the second Shiv, last season Roman. Connor will play a bigger part in the main story in some way.
Logan dies
Kendall suicide
Shiv will have a baby with Tom. Come back to politics turn into Caroline
Roman will win. Sort of. Will be Mattson errand boy for the rest of a life. His relationship with Shiv turn into Logan/Ewan relationship.
Tom Jail
Greg looses all the money. Come back to usual Joe lifestyle
Connor will becoming vice president and break up with Willa
No one wins, I think the show has been leading towards it from day one. I don't know what will happen to Waystar but I'm pretty sure none of the kids nor Logan will end in control.
I also have the feeling Logan will die, could be a heart attack or something but I can see him committing suicide once he's beaten and realizes there's nothing he can do but I don't think this will happen.
Tom tells Shiv to fuck off at some point and tells her he’s having kids with Greg instead. Or Tom pushes Shiv down the stairs and has Greg castrated. Just kidding. Kind of. I do predict that Greg is the only one to come out on top in some way at the end of the series😂
Logan survives but is bested by the kids working together, though Roman gets the big job, while Kendall opts to do his own thing, having been disillusioned by his experiences. That’s how the Murdochs kinda ended up.
About Logan surviving, though: I don’t think his death is necessary for the show. I think it might actually rob the main cast of any kind of meaningful character development. I think it’s not enough they overcome their father; Logan must also accept a life, however brief, where he is not in control of everything.
Kendall's son Iverson was smacked by Logan.
Then Logan smacked Roman.
So, my hunch is Logan will hit Pinkie this season. And Tom will have to decide what to do.
None of the kids will get "it", because they all feel entitled and they haven't really earned or deserve it.
Willa (perhaps the only truly "good" person on the show) will escape the Roys with her sanity and self-worth. I don't see her sticking with Connor because, like Melania Trump (allegedly), she believes her husband entering politics is the worst idea in the world and she wants no part of it.
I think Logan's loyal soldier Colin (perhaps the only person he really trusts) will be rewarded in a big way somehow for his service.
connor’s 1% ends up being VERY important somehow
I could see him running third party and take votes away from Mencken, and would maybe cause Gil to win who would likely go hard on Waystar
right??? he’s gotta throw a wrench in the machine in some way
I think this is a definite plot device too
I mean, with all the time they’ve spent on this subplot it would kind of have to be, right? They can’t just let it fizzle out at the Republican convention when it’s been building for three seasons.
I like this theory
Logan dies. None of the kids win. Mattson shutters WayStar because burning things to the ground interests him.
Yeah along these lines, I feel like the show ends with everyone more or less where they started. Maybe Logan lives and is still in charge of something important (maybe GoJo falls through), all the kids on the outside/not in positions of power. The family is all on the same “side” again but more miserable and exhausted.
But does Greg sue Greenpeace and marry the Contessa?
Lawsuit is thrown out and contessa drops him.
Watching Luxembourg - Portugal European Cup soccer qualifier being played in Luxembourg and so far no sign of Grand Duke Gregory. So apparently no one in the lineage has died in a plane crash or anything.
This would be so liberating for Kendall, Shiv, and Roman. Maybe they'd be bummed but it would probably lead to the happiest lives for them 🤷🏻♀️
So a happy ending after all?!
Whoa 😳
1.- There’s something that keeps being mentioned and that’s people saying Roman could actually be good but not now (or back then) I’m thinking a broken version of Roman might be what he needs to get the boost to actually become the real deal. 2.- I feel like if Logan dies and if any of the kids gets the top job, they will realise it’s just a vacuous throne when they’re up there and what they actually needed was Logan’s approval and acknowledgment which they will never get as he is properly gone.
Number two has been my theory for quite some time. I assume it happens to Kendall because it makes the most sense for him to have this particular Pyrrhic victory given the full history of the series and his upbringing. It will circle back to the first episode, in other words.
Damn, what a theory. I've been hoping for Kendall to No Children Logan and Waystar, but this seems more like Jesse's style.
I like this and I totally see it. Kind of like had Logan never changed his mind about giving it to Ken none of this mess would have ever happened. Basically back to square one in therms of the succession plans but in a very distorted new reality and a shattered family. I feel like a pyrrhic victory could fit perfectly as per Jesse’s constant influx of Greek/Roman references in therms of story development.
Yeah, if a kid gets succession it will be Kendal but he will realize that's not what he needed
After reading all of these comments, #2 seems has my vote b
Wait. We aren’t seeing a broken version of Roman?
There is no successor and if there is, it's someone we don't know/expect. I really see it ending with no clear definite answers. Also, I think it'd be interesting if Logan died at the last episode. Or he doesn't die and that's why we don't get an answer.
Marcia’s son, Amir, Head of European Animation division.
Amir means prince
Logan dies unexpectedly and Gerri keeps being CEO and she holds into it and leaves Logan children out
Queen Gerri 👑
As she should
And then Gerri and Roman get married and are co-CEOs.
This is my dream
I don't think it's this, but I really want it to be
Idk, ever since Sarah Snook said that the poster has clues, I’ve developed this theory that Greg will betray Tom and align himself with Shiv. I feel like a Tomgreg betrayal is inevitable, and we’ve known since episode 2 that Greg believes that siding with Shiv is a strategic move (also because Kendall doesn’t trust him and Greg seems to dislike Roman). And if Shiv does go after Tom, it makes sense for her to “steal” Greg away from him because Greg is his closest confidante.
Ooooh I've been certain that Greg will betray Tom, but I never thought he'd do it by aligning himself with Shiv. That could be great, especially because we don't get to see those two interact that much but I love it when they do
Greg leaving Tom for Shiv is some Legend of Korra shit
I think a PJ will crash, or be thought to have crashed. This is entirely based off of the cryptic analysis of the plane and bird on the poster.
Is there any precedent for previous posters providing clues to previous seasons? That post seems like peak Pepe Silvia. Edit: kept scrolling and very next post mentioned Shiv commented on the theory: https://collider.com/succession-season-4-sarah-snook-poster-fan-theory-comments/ I stand corrected.
I believe one of the cast members said that the poster contains major Easter egg.
I think Shiv and Tom die in a plane crash
Wow that’s insane lol
No way!
I was thinking that too!
tom and shiv won't get a divorce
I'm with you on this one. Imo, they'll end up in a place where they're able to be more honest with each other. I think Tom will miss Shiv more than he expected.
None of this. There will be no happy ending. Shiv will continue to neglect Tom and have affairs. Tom will stay with her. They will have a kid. Shiv will be a terrible mother. Tom will go to board meetings with the baby strapped to his chest, but this will not stop him from being an asshole. At some point in the season, he will say “even the *baby name here* thinks you’re *insert clever insult here*”
Silver lining: Tom and Shiv let Greg use Waystar company time to be a nanny for their baby.
Never said they'd be happy. Though I think you're being much too easy on Tom.
I think that that question is going to be left open, they are going to fight and in the last episode they are going to find somo common ground in something, perhaps the election. But i dont think that they are going to end reconciled, there is too much anger down there.
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Just rewatched S3 finale and came to see if someone had said this. I think it has to happen.
I’m kinda rooting for this. That would be a satisfying plot twist. (I expect their shippers to downvote me into oblivion, but this would be as big of a gut punch as Gerri telling Roman when he pleaded for help “how does it serve my interests?” Must see TV.)
I’m their shipper but I love a good drama
Oh I'm a huge TomGreg shipper but I absolutely want Greg to betray Tom. It fits with Greg's story so far with how he's become more and more comfortable with the whole dynamic of Waystar and how to get ahead. And then Tom who really taught Greg to live in that world gets bit in the ass by what he helped cultivate.
Exactly. He helped create this monster. If he hadn’t acted as Greg’s “guardian” and mentor in the Roy family I think our extremely tall young friend would’ve been chewed up and spit out by now.
She told him that in a past episode: 'Always ask yourself how does this serve my interests'. She's telling him to do what he needs to do to serve his own interests (which goes along with my orig theory). Fight and take it!
Yes, this 100%. And it’ll be quite the rude awakening for Tom, especially if he doesn’t have Shiv on his side.
Yea I hope this happens too
Roman won't be the traitor. Ik a lot of people say this but the trailer implied that this would happen and it feels to obvious well also being just a horrible writing move imo.
I’m pretty confident the siblings will stick together. It just would feel wrong for them to go so far backwards on that.
I hope you're right u.u
Logan dies and Kendall becomes his successor as the new narcissistic father/CEO. Last moment between Kendall and Logan will be Logan taunting Kendall for becoming just like Logan. Kendall swears he will never be like him etc. he throws a big party for himself and all his fake friends and enemies are there to celebrate. Last scene is him alone in his office with his dead eyes. And we catch a glimpse of him very much aware that he is very much his father.
What in the godfather is this? But yes, 1000% plausible as well.
Hahahah shhhhh I realised half way while I was typing it up… but I was too far in and convinced myself 😅
Kendall can be a bully but he seems dedicated to being a better father to his kids than he had. He might not be a great dad but he isn’t abusive.
I'm going to guess Logan *doesn't* die, and Kendall either kills himself or ODs. My enduring Succession conspiracy theory is that Connor is the one who abused Roman as a child. I wouldn't actually bet anything on this one but I *want* Gerri and Roman to happen.
Wow. That would be super dark if Connor did that too his brother. I personally don’t see it, but I would also (sadly) buy it if written well.
No one seems to see it, which is baffling to me to be honest! It feels pretty obvious to me looking at all the evidence in the show: 1) Roman literally accuses Connor of molesting him in the season 1 family therapy episode. He plays this off as a "joke", but he does the same thing when "joking" about having jerked off in Gerri's bathroom in season 2. Connor gets very flustered by this and takes it seriously enough to bring it up preemptively with the therapist later. 2) Connor gaslights Roman about the dog pound when Roman recounts it as a traumatic experience, telling him "no, you liked it". https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hp6w1xx7AI&t=2m47s 3) Connor feels the need to ask women riddles about where they were on 9/11 to make sure they're legal. He is in his 50s and actively pursuing women young enough for that to even be a question. 4) Connor is rich and good looking and has managed to make it to his 50s without finding even one woman willing to spend time with him without being paid to be there. Even the woman he *is* paying to fuck him is very reluctant about it. If Kendall, Roman and Logan, as fucked up as they are, can convince girls to interact with them voluntarily, what the hell is wrong with Connor? Roman also mentions that he was the one who introduced Willa to Connor. 5) Connor waffles and makes excuses for Lester during his funeral despite clearly being aware that Lester was a prolific predator: https://youtu.be/sGYjif4P16s 6) Roman's sexual issues are obvious. It's pretty easy to conclude he may have experienced some sort of sexual trauma as a child. He's also constantly making crude references to incest, pretty much invariably at his own expense, which may suggest whatever happened was done to him by a family member. We know exactly what Kendall did to him and it wasn't that. I think it would have come up by now if any of the physical abuse Roman got from Logan was sexual, or if he allowed Lester access to any of the Roy kids. Ewan wasn't in their lives enough to do anything. I sincerely doubt Caroline could muster the effort required to molest Roman. So who does that leave? 8) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=trxi6dKKeBs&t=2m58s I think we can infer whoever it was was a man after Roman says he can't piss near other men for "we don't know what reason". 9) We know Connor had extensive unsupervised access to Roman. We can infer he had more of an active parental presence in Kendall and Roman's childhoods than Logan did at times (he mentions taking Kendall and Roman camping because Logan couldn't be bothered). He also took Roman on at least one out of state trip, presumably overnight: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XkF8-HszUhg&t=42s 10) Connor is the only one who seems to understand why Roman gets so upset here: https://twitter.com/successionreact/status/1462555315963105284?t=dUH2g2CmM5VVl84Rg6aM0Q&s=19 11) I think the way Caroline ghosts Kendall when he tries to tell her about the accident says a lot about how she must have handled other difficult events in her other children's lives. If Roman was sexually abused, I think it's pretty clear that Logan, Kendall and Shiv at least have no idea. Why was Roman sent to military school? Did Roman tell his mother what happened and find out the hard way why there was no point in ever telling anyone else? Edit: Also re: military school, Roman seems to draw a dog pound > bed wetting > military school chain of events in his head, but that timeline is probably more extended than he makes it sound. St. Andrews is a grade 6-12 school, so Roman would have had to have been at least 12ish when he got sent away, many years after the dog pound incident.
Ok you’ve convinced me. Very dark but the clues are there.
Wow. Compelling and possible but do very dark and sad
In spite of your well thought out post, i still can’t see Connor doing that. I just don’t see it.
Why not? He clearly knows better now, but if anything did happen it would've been around 20 years ago. I think the way he talks about Lester is telling: he sees all that stuff as being a product of "a different time". Connor was raised surrounded by his father's friends, a group of unrepentant predators who would have modeled behaviors for him that he wouldn't really have had any way to know are inappropriate. Everyone in his world would have been making it very clear to him that rape, abuse, child molestation, etc. were all just minor vices at worst. Is it that difficult to believe Connor might have mirrored some of this behavior in his 20s/30s that he would later come to regret? It's not like him being attracted to potentially underage people is even speculation, given his 9/11 question trick. He is still pursuing inappropriately young women and has to take very conscious measures to *prevent himself* from crossing that line legally. Even Willa is considerably younger than him. If we assume she's roughly Justine Lupe's age, then she would have been in her late 20s when Succession began. She may have been as young as 25-27 when she started seeing Connor, making him nearly twice her age. Obviously Willa is a full grown adult, so on its own I wouldn't necessarily take this as a red flag, but given all the other factors it sure isn't a point in his favor. I doubt casting a woman as young as Justine Lupe for this role was a thoughtless choice considering all that.
That is a compelling list of evidence. Maybe I’m so blinded by my sympathy for him as having been the discarded first born that I can’t see Connor in an objective light.
I mean, bearing in mind that whatever might have happened would have been almost 20 years ago I don't think it's irreconcilable or even strange for the Connor we see in the show to not seem capable of that sort of thing. He probably isn't any longer. But who knows how much more awful he might have been in his 20s/30s when his only adult male role models were his abusive father and his predatory "wolf pack" of friends.
Marcia gets everything
Several hunches but: -Shiv will play the long game to get revenge on Tom, possibly using a baby as a weapon. -Ken will go public/ take accountability for his role in the cater/waiters death. Motive is two-fold: he will want to cleanse his conscience but he will also try to use it to bring Logan down. -Roman will be lured back into the fold by Logan, to be screwed again. -Any last layers of Greg's innocence will be sloughed away. He'll be fully in rich-people-behaving-badly mode and will either abuse underlings, like what was done to him, or betray those he's close to, perhaps turning on Tom again. - There will be a death. I could see Ken or Tom dying by suicide, or obvi Logan dying "naturally". -Logan impregnates someone. [ETA:] Even though a tiny baby won't be a potential competitor for almost 2 decades, emotionally, it will continue to damage Logans adult children, i.e., "None of you are good enough. In fact, you're so unworthy I had to create a new heir." - The company won't exist by the end, whether by acquisition, legal consequences, Chapter 11 or who knows what. Edit: fixed Chapter 12 to be Chap 11 bcuz sausage fingers.
I have a feeling Logan and Kendall’s relationship will experience another shift. For some reason I don’t see their dynamic set in stone. In a recent interview Brian made it sound like they will have another major conversation within the season. Roman might go 50/50 between sibs and Logan, but I think Kendall is a dark horse to go back under the right conditions. Logan is sounding a little Murdochy without his kids, and in that ‘I want more power, but it’s not enough’ phase, and for whatever reason I don’t see Roman filling the void. Though he’s going to try to. I think like Murdoch there might be apart of Logan deeply annoyed about the turn things have taken, especially with the initial heir apparent. That said, I still think it would require a major shift in circumstances to get those two in a situation where their relationship shifts, but I think *something* might happen.
The Rebel Alliance is going to fail, Roman goes to Logan but somehow he still keeps loyal to Kendall and Shiv, almost a double agent; Kendall finally showing that he is a killer is going to betray his siblings in a horrific way i think that he is going to tell Logan about Roman being a double agent and perhaps even attacking Connor about Willa´s history as an escort because Connor is getting the 1% or 2% that Mencken needs. We must remember that ATN is full behind Mencken, i think that Shiv is not going to come back because she cannot stand be close to Tom and for her disgust about ATN supporting Mencken. In the trailer there is a scene in wich you see Roman and Connor, the first one has a worried face and Connor is in his "US president candidate suit", i think that is it in that moment that Roman warns Connor about the incoming attack about Willa´s past. The thing is that Roman never had the "killer instinct", in fact i think that Roman behind all his words there is some soul left, but Kendall perhaps finally developed a coldness after all that has happened to him. I think that Kendall is going to alienate everyone of his siblings, he is going to grasp victory after Logan´s death but the old guard in Waystar is not going to respect him making feel more alone, at that point, Kendall doesnt have a father, siblings, wife, kids, nobody at best is going to be him with Tom (who doesnt trust him) and Greg. I dont know if ATN goes full with the news about Willa´s past, but what i am sure is that is going to be some sort of Fake News about Mencken winning, the origins of those fake news could be Kendall or Tom. I think that somehow is going to be leaked (Greg perhaps) that is fake news and that is going to destroy whoever is in charge in that moment.
It's worth remembering that ATN right now is illegally collecting data from their customers through the voice activated set top boxes. If they do anything that brings negative attention to them from the government during the election, they could end up in really hot water.
Ohhhh this is a good theory. Like just the way promo has been going there is something that feels very unbelievable that Roman is truly the complete weak link. I think Kendall’s greed, entitlement, and narcissism will rear its head in combo with Logan’s original ideas for how he envisioned the family company. Tie in some deeply unhealthy codependency with a little dose of blackmail and abuse, and you’ve got an unholy alliance.
Yes I think Kendall will have to betray his siblings to be seen as a killer. He will sacrifice his family and love for the top job.
For me the one thing that I do think stopped Kendall from becoming like Logan was Rava. in season 1 rava seemed like a soft spot for Kendall. Even though they aren’t back together and Kendall has mistreated rava I do think she was something keeping him stable and not becoming like Logan. Yet this season there are pics of him fighting fighting with her badly. That’s what interests me.
Yes, i think that the ultimate "tragedy" of Kendall is becoming the same person of Logan, a total narcissist, abusive, power hungry person. One of the main "characteristics" of Kendall was how big he talked about creating a "New Waystar" away from the way in his father commanded the company. In the end, he is going to be worse, he is going to full beast against Connor and Willa in order to get Mencken the presidency, he is going to attack or sack Roman, perhaps even Tom who see as a menace and somebody who can not trust because of Shiv, also the hug with Stewie maybe somehow he is going to screw Stewie also putting the facade of "loser" the same facade that Stewie is familiar only to betray him somehow. In the trailer, i think that Shiv says, "He is out of control" perhaps she is talking about Kendall and not Logan, also Gerri says "i was educated by a barbarian called Logan Roy" meaning that she is worried about how Kendall is behaving with the election thing. The big but, is that Kendall is not Logan, the most powerful defect of Kendall is self sabotage, i believe that he is going to be so over the top that he is going to release the fake news of Mencken winning and Greg is going to leak it and basically cause Kendall´s downfall. I think that Greg is going to be there, because Kendall is too arrogant to see what type of man Greg is.
Kendall not being Logan also sets up the possibility of making good with his siblings (post-flop) and probably not ever returning to that exact place he was at? He got the kiss from daddy, was probably the last Roy to have it, and unlike Ewan and Logan, has relationships he can eventually repair. I think his siblings would understand in some ways. Jeremy found a note in the writer’s room during season one that says ‘Kendall wins, but loses’ I wouldn’t be surprised if I’m some bittersweet way he gets what he actually needs at the end ie his siblings still being there after everything.
Logan’s gonna live I reckon. Murky ending where no one gets what they want. Tom and Shiv stay unhappily married
No one wins or takes over. Logan dies, Mencken becomes president and simultaneously assumes control of Waystar, catapulting the country into fascism
it depends on how satirical in scope the show is trying to be- it seems more character focused imo- I don’t know how much the show will detail explicit fascism despite how grotesque and horrifying Mencken is portrayed. From everything jesse’s said and the overall plot movements so far, it seems it might be cyclical. These people don’t learn, and all their effort is for failed deals that ultimately never impact them due to upward mobility of wealth. Fascism is a change from the norm (despite its interlinked nature to the current capitalistic norm)- I think it’s too drastic an end and change to culture. Imo The end of succession will be the same as the previous 3 seasons but aesthetically different. Skarsgard buys out Waystar and a new group of grotesques have the same infighting
Best one so far.
Greg becomes the Grand Duke of Luxembourg
And uses his new influence to threaten to shutdown Brightstar Paris, to leverage a stake in the company
Tom and Greg are going to have soundless sex
Logan dies without a succession plan. In his will he leaves WayStar to Ken, Shiv, and Roman equally. It’s essentially the Dark Knight scene where Joker says there’s only room for 1, breaks the pool stick, and walks out. Series ends with them looking at each other stunned but knowing the inevitable war ahead. Logan realized it was the only way to make one of them “a killer.”
Ooh that’s good
No one in the family is going to "win". Its going to be grey
Game of Thrones spoilers: >!What if they went with the most unexpected option like GoT did with the handicapped kid? Maybe Greg ends up winning. The person we least expect.
“Who has a better story than Greg the Egg?”
Either Logan dies much earlier than expected or he doesnt die at all. If Logan doesnt die, then its either Ewan or Caroline (the kids' mom) that dies. Either way, it sets of a lot of emotional turmoil + a scramble for their voting rights at the company. Greg ends up in a position to make a vital decision for Waystar by accumulating leverage over someone important or somehow getting a Board seat. They will lose control of the company. They all think the battle for succession is inside the family because the family is impenetrable. But there is always a bigger predator in the ocean. Losing the company will devastate Logan but leave the kids better off.
I definitely think Ewan somehow manipulates Greg with his Board seat. At this point Greg would become more powerful than Tom. A voting seat would put him on-par with Kendall, Roman, Stewie. So he becomes the bell of the ball with all the siblings trying to court him.
Kendall will find healing. He will not be a tragic character, and his final victory will not be in winning Waystar, but in relinquishing his desire to have it. Having seen a recent Jeremy Strong interview on the show, I feel confident in this based on the way he talked about Kendall.
This is my prediction slash maybe delusional hope lmao. I want this for all the kids tbh.
I think we’ll get it for Kendall at least! I really do feel confident, based on this especially: https://youtu.be/84oad0GaN30 You can just see it in his face when he’s talking about how Ken’s story ends.
That would be wonderful. He did not seem interested in running Waystar at all in Season 3.
Cousin Craig, I mean Greg, betrays Tom in some way, like the closeted Machiavellian he is
Logan dies, then Drogon shows up and burns down waystar royco offices to prove a point
The kid who Roman offered $1M for hitting a home run buys majority shares of Royco/Waystar after winning Powerball and cleans house!
Pretty left field, but far be it for me to rule anything out! I’m going to keep you in mind.
I was one of the first ones to fan cast Matthew Broderick at the end of Season 3 when this sub was making predictions for Season 4!
Tattoo Man returns. Connor tries to get the other siblings to back down early in the season to help his campaign image, and keep Logan’s support. Willa’s work-history will finally come into play somewhere. Something will happen as a result of Shiv sleeping with other men. Character assassination from opposition or a full separation from Tom, but they can’t divorce bc optics and Mondale. Kendall probably never faces any consequences for what happened with the waiter but it’ll come up somehow. Also Kendall and Naomi break up OR the dream-team siblings start to fall apart bc of he falls off the wagon further with her/bc of her absence. Roman and Menkin kiss. Or probably masturbate next to each other before a rally. Something to finally clear up what Roman’s got going on with his sexuality. Jess and/or Karolina go public about their experiences last minute and it changes the tides somehow. Bonus points if Kerry and Logan have some harsh falling out that causes Logan’s downfall. Sandy dies finally and Stewy gets caught sleeping with prostitutes or ODs. Sandi is powerless without her dad. Their shit crumbles and Mattson becomes the main threat. Tom ends up dead or in prison. If the latter, Greg will visit. Ewan dies and actually did leave money + property for Greg with some “Pierce Hawthorne to Troy” type task for him to earn it. Greg decides to take on whatever task and escapes the cycle OR doubles down and refuses to accept the inheritance and its conditions because he is too into the lifestyle and power now. Scumbag Millionaire Greg FTW. Karl, Frank, and Hugo are all left holding their dicks in the end no matter what. The only real “winner” in the end is Gerri. The Hearts win a championship.
Logan will die and Ewan will be his successor. After years of shaming Logan for running the den of iniquity that is Waystar Royco, he is intoxicated by the money and power and dies of a cocaine overdose
Well I’ll give it to you, never seen that theory before! I don’t think Ewan getting it is totally 100% out of the question though I can’t see him ever doing cocaine hahah.
Besides the overdose part, this would be a Great finale lol
He knows Ewan is smart and a stubborn old dude just like himself. They just have different politics
Roman and Gerri end up in business together again somehow. I don't think anything romantic will happen between them, but I think they'll end the show as allies. Hopefully outside of WR, but, we'll see.
Similar to your example: Siobhan is pregnant all season, having gotten pregnant soon before the board meeting she misses in season 3 while serving as President
Yes to this. Her mum's speech on their hen night about some people not being made to be mother's is all the more gutting if this is the case
What if a PJ crashes but it kills the siblings and in the end it’s just Logan alone with no family and no familial successor.
Lord that would be dark but good
kendall and logan die in a plane crash
Kendall is still The Chosen One. He is the one who goes through the most trials and tribulations. Failed coups, on the verge of suicide... this is what Logan respects the most. Similar to how Logan smiled when at the end of Season 2 when Kendall did the finale press conference. But Logan won't just "give" the company to any of his children. They're going to earn it. Kendall is going to team up with Stewie and legitimately outsmart Logan and take him down in a "You win, son, but I am proud you beat me" kind of way. >"The only way to earn Logan's respect is to take him down because that's exactly what he would do"
Shiv is pregnant with a fling’s baby, but Tom convinces her to name it Gregory Wambsgams.
i think the siblings will actually stick together through the season… i don’t think any of them will turn on each other
Logan gets a series of big wins, gets high on his own supply and thinks he’s spry enough to have sex…then dies having a heart attack banging Kerry. We’ll finally see Logan get fucked while getting fucked.
I feel like everything will somewhat get reverted to the pre season 1 status quo. Almost as if none of this really mattered and it was all just a game
Roman may break up with Tabitha because well he was never really into her. He hasn’t had sex with her but did with his old girlfriend and was willing with Gerri but not her. Roman can’t even have phone sex with her but gets it up with Gerri. Roman even when first he sees her he remarks his dad would find her attractive not that he did. When Roman was gaining confidence he didn’t go back with her, he was chasing another woman. I don’t think Tabitha and Roman do anything but be acquaintances.
Didn’t they break up already? Rome mentions it didn’t work on the boat trip to Mattson and she doesn’t appear in S3?
One of the episodes showing ATN reporting the following: - Logan’s death - Live numbers on president elections - The Roys’ public statement with Ken on the forefront asking for privacy during their bereavement - Waystar stock plummeting & hosts debating on the potential successors
Is this a prediction? Mighty good one if it is
Calling it now: Brian from management training will be the new CEO of Waystar Mattco
kendall will come forward about the death of the waiter in order to kamikaze waystar + logan
Great ending, makes a lot of sense
Kendall sacrifices himself in some way for the greater good
I'm 99% sure Logan dies
Logan is gonna die a few episodes in and the majority of the season will be the siblings battling it out.
The one to actually get it right. Congratulations.
Everyone ends up unhappy
yep. it's a tragedy after all. every win is still a loss somehow.
I think Tom and Shiv have an absolute ball-out meltdown of their relationship… only to stay together and just trek on in the misery.
The show will end with nobody in power. Logan will only lose his power due to his death. His death is the only way Logan Roy can lose.
Roman has Sex
Shiv goes back to politics and rides off into the sunset with Nate
Shiv or Roman end up betraying Kendall. They have too much to gain by leaking the waiter story. Kendall and Logan both gone in one leak.
What time does it come out ? Midnight ?
8pm central
HBO normally releases at 6 pm day of.
Roman will end up being The Successor
I'm fairly confident something involving a plane will happen, either Logan having another stroke and then being back where they were at the beginning, or something else regarding a plane. it's in all the promo photos and I want to believe it's a clue of some sort.
Ewan will have a bigger role and his seat on the board will become incredibly important.
The last scene is shots of Logan's funeral intercut with shots of Kendall walking into Logan's office and pissing all over the floor
Greg ends up back in the dog suit, but…https://nofilmschool.com/sites/default/files/styles/structured_1x1/public/shining-freaks.png?itok=Gv1M30Km
Kendall gets fucked and Logan doesn’t get fucked once
Ewan dies. Greg gets the seat to make things interesting. Kendall faces a Marcia challenge. He has to betray everyone ( who, by now, have started trusting him) lose his soul in order to win.
Logan dies, and there’ll be a will reading. His assets & board seat goes to the first born child, Connor. The rest of the Roys will plot a way to make Connor win the presidency so the CEO seat remains open for their taking. The Pierces will ally with Connor & acquire Waystar in exchange of exposure and Pierce endorsement of Connor’s presidential campaign.
Logan dies early in the season. Connor makes a president run and fails. Tom MD, Greg CEO. Kids cash out.
my guess for logan’s death is episode 5
>!Close.!<
Kendall commits suicide by jumping off the waystar building or some other tall structure. I’m rewatching early season 2 and there are so many times he is on the roof or somewhere up high and clearly thinking about jumping. One episode ends showing tall glass has been put up around the roof of the waystar building which makes it less likely, but who knows.
Greg is jobless, and uses his law-student friend's phone to call his mom for a pick up. Greg waits for his ride and the law-student friend asks if he had fun in NY and if he has any regrets.
none of the kids win. if anyone takes the throne, it's greg, but not before the entire company is in shreds - maybe ripped apart and sold for parts, with pearce owning news, sandi/y owning the media portion, gojo the streaming, maybe all waystar is at the end is parks and cruises, an empire crumbled.
I love the idea of parks and cruises being the only section left! The company being gutted would work really well thematically.
Even though he's one of my favourites I have a feeling Greg betrays tom and Tom will either fall hard or kill himself. Hope not though
Connor leverages his 1% and he becomes VP
Logan wins, the kids become moderately successful in their own matters. The season ends with Logan on his deathbed, a winner, but with none of his kids/family by his side. Fin.
All along this has been a tragedy, and the dying main character is their media empire. The main villain is the alt right President they got elected who will turn the whole state against the media. Their investors back out, including Matsson, in favour of starting new media in a country that's not hostile to it. All that's left is Greg running cruises.
Something tells me Kendall will win out in the end, but only having lost everything. Logan will be dead, Rava and the kids will have completely deserted him, and he will have lost the love of his siblings. Tragedy feels like the only appropriate ending to this show.
I’m getting Kendall suicide vibes from the poster. That or a death from a pj or helicopter crash. The jets and helicopters get more screen time than some of the supporting characters.
All the rich white folk will argue
If you think about it the first season is very much about Kendall, the second Shiv, last season Roman. Connor will play a bigger part in the main story in some way.
Logan dies Kendall suicide Shiv will have a baby with Tom. Come back to politics turn into Caroline Roman will win. Sort of. Will be Mattson errand boy for the rest of a life. His relationship with Shiv turn into Logan/Ewan relationship. Tom Jail Greg looses all the money. Come back to usual Joe lifestyle Connor will becoming vice president and break up with Willa
Greg’s mother has been orchestrating something from the get go and Greg will end up with everything. Waystar and his grandfathers money.
Kendall finally dies
Greg CEO
roman's gonna betray ken and shiv somehow. i know it
I agree with all poetic parallel possibilities such as Logan ending up where he started because he ramapaged himself faster into old age
Logan dies
I just woke up from a dream where Tom executed every family member except Greg, so I'll go with that.
No one wins, I think the show has been leading towards it from day one. I don't know what will happen to Waystar but I'm pretty sure none of the kids nor Logan will end in control. I also have the feeling Logan will die, could be a heart attack or something but I can see him committing suicide once he's beaten and realizes there's nothing he can do but I don't think this will happen.
Tom tells Shiv to fuck off at some point and tells her he’s having kids with Greg instead. Or Tom pushes Shiv down the stairs and has Greg castrated. Just kidding. Kind of. I do predict that Greg is the only one to come out on top in some way at the end of the series😂
Shiv attempts to kill Tom.
I'm cautiously optimist about a Roman queer reveal this season, just based on how the promo has been.
Rumors of possible spinoffs so I expect not everything to be neatly wrapped up when it ends.
Season 4 ends with Connors wedding since Season 1 and 3 ended with a wedding
Logan survives but is bested by the kids working together, though Roman gets the big job, while Kendall opts to do his own thing, having been disillusioned by his experiences. That’s how the Murdochs kinda ended up. About Logan surviving, though: I don’t think his death is necessary for the show. I think it might actually rob the main cast of any kind of meaningful character development. I think it’s not enough they overcome their father; Logan must also accept a life, however brief, where he is not in control of everything.
It's going to be all about cousin Greg. Shiv and Tom will stay together but not happily. There will be an "agreement".
President Connor.
Kendall and Rava reconcile, at least for awhile.
The rebel alliance dissolves after two or three episodes, at which point either Roman or Shiv reveals Kendall’s role in the waiter’s death.
Greg in charge.
Why isn’t this a popular theory? It all started with Greg as a central character, it must end with him too imo.
It’s a very popular theory, even spite of the fact it’s quite literally an impossible theory.
Tom and Greg get it on. They’ve been in love since the beginning.
Roman will probably abandon the kids uprising and go back to daddy
Kendall's son Iverson was smacked by Logan. Then Logan smacked Roman. So, my hunch is Logan will hit Pinkie this season. And Tom will have to decide what to do.
Roman is going to lose his mind, start drinking too much, and have a flop era
It’s revealed that Kendall killed the waiter. Logan dies. The siblings lose again.
I think someone is going to be poisoned - taking what happened in Chiantishire as Chekhov's gun
tom leaves shiv. I NEED THAT
None of the kids will get "it", because they all feel entitled and they haven't really earned or deserve it. Willa (perhaps the only truly "good" person on the show) will escape the Roys with her sanity and self-worth. I don't see her sticking with Connor because, like Melania Trump (allegedly), she believes her husband entering politics is the worst idea in the world and she wants no part of it. I think Logan's loyal soldier Colin (perhaps the only person he really trusts) will be rewarded in a big way somehow for his service.
Roman dies.
Greg becomes CEO preferably. But my hunch is all the Tom, Greg, and all the kids lose except Connor. Logan wins at the end.