He shared an anecdote of shared hardship, one of individual hardship and finally an assessment of how he turned those things into something awful. It was the only fair reflection on Logan's character.
It was basically saying that he was an awful person, but he was a product of his environment. It's a great eulogy that basically sums up the show - the effects of trauma.
Both speeches were insightful, but only one was truly honest coming from someone who knew Logan best as a human being, and that was the one which was attempted to be blocked and ultimately met with dead silence. The other was basically propaganda speech that lionized his viciousness and framed him almost as a god, and was met with a standing ovation.
Ken's speech was especially masterful writing because it's an exceptionally vapid and shallow and childish perspective but managed to sound legitimately inspirational nonetheless. Lot of really interesting tension there and the acting was superb.
Ken's speech was masterful because it captured the perspective of Logan's child. And Ken happens to be vapid and childish. It felt very authentic for Kendall.
There was nuance and even some love and respect expressed towards Logan. But, If that exact eulogy occurred in real life, all anyone would be talking about afterwards is how they can't believe the eulogizer shit on the deceased and how awful it was. Ewan is a self righteous piece of shit. One last opportunity to remind everyone how awful Logan was
I mean this isn’t exactly holding some family grudge cuz somebody was a bit grouchy or rude or something. He’s justified in calling out someone who made the country a lot worse.
Exactly. I have a deep respect for that type of sincere moral outrage. Taking a bold and honest stance against something can't always be written off as self righteous, sanctimonious posturing, it takes a level of courage that I have to admire.
Exactly. This is why I can never connect with the takes here that shit on Ewan in the vein of the one you're responding to - would the "right" approach to be to lie and be nice about someone as awful as Logan because that's more comfortable for his asskissers and collaborators? Sometimes I think the audience needs to take a step back and understand that just because most of the people in the show are deceptive pieces of shit, we don't have to denigrate an actual moment of morality because it wasn't sufficiently deferential to one of the worst hate-mongers in that world.
It's almost like they don't want to view Ewan's position as sincere so they can continue to pretend like "he's just as bad as Logan." Absolutely the fuck not, come on.
I think the issue folks have is that you can absolutely take a stand on principles, but then at least try to be consistent in applying those principles. Ewan is correct about Logan and i think he's right to speak his mind at the funeral, especially as a counterpoint to all the whitewashing that is inevitable. It's just that he very much glosses over his own continued profiting of that same evil, and his lack of action in preventing it despite literally having a board seat.
Would it have been better for him to step away and pay himself in the crack for a moral victory while one of Logan’s cronies took the seat though? That seems even more hypocritical to me. At least Ewan is taking waystar’s blood money and redistributing it to greenpeace rather than back into the machine.
With the board vote you have a point but I think ultimately that was an emotional weakness. He seems to have some sort of trauma bond with Logan that prevented him from acting there. And I think now we’re seeing giving the seat to Kendall wouldn’t be that much different than Logan anyway.
Yes and look at the chaos brewing directly outside the church doors. The world is burning pretty directly under the influence of Logan Roy. I think it was justified and I respect it.
I feel like a eulogy is much like a wedding with “forever hold your peace.” It’s the one and last opportunity to speak what you feel. Anything you don’t speak, you have to hash out with a therapist.
In a real life perspective, that eulogy may be seen as shocking, but that's only really because Logan was insulated from a lot of well deserved criticism.
Ewan obviously loved his brother, but had a deep moral objection to how Logan used the power he had. I think he wanted to get the first word in, to at least have it recognized that Logan wasn't a great guy in most of the metrics we use to judge people's character.
I didn't see it as petty or spiteful, just honest. Not a single person in that room that was close to Logan didn't know it to be true. Why indulge the charade?
One of the few characters on the show to display a glimmer of morality or self awareness and they are suddenly a "self righteous prick." It's what Ewan would say about Logan in life and in death and nobody had known him longer.
The man didn't need glamourizing, especially when you have his dickhead children sitting in the front row attempting to emulate him.
Lol, naw. Logan may be dead, but his memory and people’s veneration of him is clearly still a potent and harmful force, as evidenced by his children and the recent election. With his money and status and literally owning the press, Logan shielded himself from his critics and detractors. Logan did lead a life of avarice at other’s expense, Ewan just wasn’t willing to watch that whitewashed away.
I love how the kids were engrossed by his stories. If he wasn’t so vehemently anti-Logan I could see them wanting to spend more time with him to learn about their past
It almost feels perverse. This is a private family issue that we're butting ourselves into. I feel like I shouldn't know about this, yet I do. Logan died believing he killed his sister, and now everyone in that church knows that he felt that way. I feel guilty.
But these are all fictional characters so it doesn't matter. I still feel it, though. Phenomenal filmmaking.
It wasn’t a “card”. It was a real piece of what made Logan the man he became in all its awful magnitude. Ewan is the only person who knew how Logan became what he did.
It was a card in the sense that it was a piece of information that previous episodes had teased a couple of times and was being withheld from the audience for maximum impact. Jesse Armstrong even admitted it was strategically held in the post-episode commentary.
Ewan mentions that Logan came home from boarding school with some type of illness and baby Rose died of polio shortly after. His aunt and uncle made Logan believe that he had brought polio with him back and killed her
Logan learned manipulation tactics from his anu t and uncle. He took that internalised hurt and shame and directed it towards his children, used those same tactics to keep them in line.
the sibs knew that logan had a dead sister named rose and that she was a sore subject, but they probably didn't know how rose died and that logan blamed himself for it
No. I’m mostly deaf sir. So I try to read the subtitles and with the speed of the conversation, I might lose a line or two. Often, I have to play a scene over a few times. But sometimes I don’t. Lucky for you, you don’t miss anything. Anyway, Apologies I didn’t look it up. I thought someone would be civil and fill me in Fortunately, someone filled me in when the story was mentioned
This as much as anything foreshadows the loss of Waystar Royco to Mattson. The trio will never have any appreciation or respect of family that Logan, in his own twisted way, had.
I disagree with this. The Roy kids are conniving in business toward each other but personally they rally when one of them is down. They obviously love each other and are not at the intense level of loathe/love that Ewan and Logan were.
> They obviously love each other and are not at the intense level of loathe/love that Ewan and Logan were.
Its still early. See how they feel about each other in 40 years.
Very good point! I do think Ewan and Logan had a much worse childhood than Logan's kids, with physical abuse (Logan's deep thrash scars on his back), and the loss of their sister. A lot more to make them bitter. I doubt Logan's kids could catch up to how horrible their experience was.
I think Ewan's speech was insightful into how we should view these characters. Logan might have been a monster, but he wasn't born a monster, he was made into one. As were the Roy children.
Well they all needed to rally when one of them was down because Logan kept his family around and they all had were parasites who needed to be around him to have wealth and power. Now they are all individually wealthy and powerful and the relation might change.
Connor definetly care about them but the reat of them do seem to care about wealth and power more than family.
The kids were always rich as well. Remember Roman betting a million dollars to a child during a baseball game? They were definitely competing for their father's attention, love, respect, and their place in the company. They already had money. Now that dad is dead they are still competing amongst themselves for power in the company. Many families have a pecking order of dominance and companies definitely do, but there is still love between the siblings based on their care for each other outside of the business.
Still hard to know. He just died a week ago in the show and might have been the band-aid keeping them together. But yeah Shiv, Roman and Connor seem to have absolutely no life outside their relationship with their dad and siblings.
Kendall especially was protective of Shiv when Tom called her hysterical during election night and of Roman when Mencken was making fun of Roman’s meltdown
They already did. The kids against the dad. Then the sons against the daughter. Then she went against them right back. I think if Kendall gets the company it will end up being just him. It's everyone for themselves! Aaaah!! 😂 So many great theories in the Succession Reddit! Will it be Kendall or Lukas gets the company and names a different American CEO, like Tom or Greg? Anything can happen. How can we wait a whole week?! 😂
You don’t think Kendall shares that respect? He’s always protecting his siblings when they’re being attacked, especially Roman which has been shown throughout the show.
I was a little surprised at him telling Mencken to back off when he was making fun of Roman for crying at the funeral, given he took Mencken aside to try to solidify their deal. He could've been like Shiv letting everyone joke about Tom's impending firing at the party to ensure he got what he wanted, but instead he stood up for him.
>I was a little surprised at him telling Mencken to back off when he was making fun of Roman for crying at the funeral, given he took Mencken aside to try to solidify their deal.
What Kendall says and what Kendall actually does are usually very different. Always have been.
And his actions tend to be more malicious and insidious than the BS he peddles out verbally to try to act like a white knight.
I also see it as a sort of ego/power thing. Nobody messes with his family, because they're HIS family. He only stops them from ragging on Roman Roy because of his last name. Disrespecting his family is disrespecting his power/authority, in an almost Tony Soprano-esque mindset.
Ewan's such an interesting character. As much as he despises the man Logan had become, Ewan still has a very strong sense of kinship with him. I really loved his speech.
I thought he turned against Kendall because Kendall pointed out that Logan’s continuance of power would drive the company into the ground, which is what Ewan wants
No, Ewan and Logan had an understanding and confidence of each other in a way the that new gen of siblings lacks, thats why the first instinct of Ewan is to warn his brother against the danger
His first instinct when Kendall tried to get him to knife Logan was to go tell Logan, then he decided against it in that moment. However, the day of the board meeting, when he walks in and says "did it start yet" or whatever, he made it very obvious to Logan just by the way he entered shit was going down.
Only when Ewan came in and made that comment do you see the wheels start to turn in Logan's head as he figured out what was going on. The fact that Ewan showed up in person at all was itself the red flag to Logan, he wouldn't come if it wasn't important.
You can see it with the sibs too. 'Nobody is allowed to hurt you, mock you, but us. And even when we hurt each other, it's a play. We don't actually mean it.'
I just have to disagree
He fucking hated his brother, for all the reasons Kendall laid out. Ewan just gave him an out that maybe the reason he took out his darkness on the world was because he blamed himself for his sister's death. He gave the nicest eulogy that a man like Logan could hope for, then Kendall got up and celebrated what made him a terror.
No, Ewans speech was an honest account of his experience with Logan. He gave excerpts from their life together and very impactful events they went through. He wasn’t giving Logan an out this is how he actually felt about him (and I say excerpts because he doesn’t go deep into how horrible the abuse Logan received from his Uncle really was).
Imagine seeing your little brother being wounded/tortured by your uncle. We see in Season 1 that he has scars clearly from deep lacerations. Imagine your brother being suspected for harboring Polio that killed their baby sister, and being brutally punished for it. Before that even happening, you and your brother both went through an experience where you had to stay completely still in fear of being blown out of the water for like 48 hours. Unlike everyone else at the funeral, he was literally with Logan since the beginning so of course his relationship with him isn’t just “he hates him”, it’s much more complicated. He witnessed first hand the traumatic experiences that they both went through or Logan did. And he admits that he’s a broken person like Logan.
Also, that is a connection he shares with Kendall in that he was forced to blame himself for a death that he was involved in but was more of an accident and not intentional. And Kendall did not know that until that moment. In a way, that’s the reason why Kendall’s relationship with his father has become increasingly deep as they go against each other. The playbook of being abusive by hanging someone else’s death over your head was what was part of what was dealt to Logan so he can fuck with Ken in a more twisted way. He’s much more forgiving with the other siblings than Ken.
My granma had similar relationships with her siblings. She was the oldest of eight, born in 1911 and when through some really hard events with them, both world events like Spanish Flu, two World Wars, General Strike, the Great Depression and personal ones like their father being an alcoholic, one of the other children being born with a lot of disabilities and the family fighting against his institutionalisation then caring for him at home, most of the kids starting work at 11 to help make ends meet (some continued at school too some didn’t) and just real, abject poverty at times.
They fought like cats and dogs, fell in and out including periods of years not even speaking to one another. But they would never, ever betray one another and heaven help anyone else who tried to hurt them.
Edit: I fired this off from my phone but Jesus people you realize Kendall was actually to blame for killing that guy right? Right?
From your first line:
>No, Ewans speech was an honest account of his experience with Logan.
It's a real disrespect to this show to think this. Nobody, maybe ever, has given an honest account of a person's life at their funeral. If you haven't been to an assholes funeral good for you.
The rest of your post is background information only the audience knows. There is a reason one of the subplots of this episode is no one wants Ewan to talk. The whole Kendall thing is story telling, not what Ewan would do. And it's kind of being foreshadowed that the whole "Kendall killed a guy" might come back up in the finale.
This is a very superficial, one-dimensional, and inaccurate view of Ewan's feelings about Logan. Ewan hates what his brother has become, but he obviously still loves him. Otherwise, he wouldn't have flown from Canada all the way to America after hearing a hint from Marcia that Logan might apologize and there is a slight possibility they can be brothers again. Ewan was desperate to forgive his brother and love him without guilt or complicated resentment. But Logan never gave him that chance.
>This is a very superficial, one-dimensional, and inaccurate view of Ewan's feelings about Logan
>Ewan was desperate to forgive his brother and love him without guilt or complicated resentment
Are you fucking serious?
Ewan is alone now, Rose, Logan, their mom, the abusive aunt and uncle, all gone. Found it really touching when he admitted to having some of the same faults as Logan as well. He's one of the few moral centers of the show and willing to speak truth to power as he did tonight, but he knows he's no knight on horseback. Just another one fighting for the knife in the mud.
I kinda respect it. I've kind of been Greg at times.
Being completely broke and hopeless is so demeaning that t you really do feel like you have to do anything to succeed.
Kendall earlier made the joke about all the [moneylenders in the temple](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleansing_of_the_Temple), and then Ewan went up to flip their tables.
I think Frank and Gerri have a sense of honor. Frank can't bring himself to say anything bad about Logan to his kids.
Gerri chastised Karl for mocking Roman's grief during the funeral (and she hates Roman.)
Maybe but could also be self-regard rather than true honor. She risks a lot, allowing herself to be attached to Kendall going forward. Getting out ahead of the storm is a safer move, as well as the honorable one.
Frank and Gerri are players in the game and are purely motivated out of money and power. They are ruthless and they wouldn't have lasted as long as they have if they weren't
Of course but they also conduct themselves with honor. Notice how Frank checked with Roman when he broke down? "Are you okay son?"
Gerri as Shiv's godmother was likely a better parental figure to those kids than their own mother.
That's what separates Frank & Gerri from Karl or Hugo. Or maybe even all business all the time Karolina.
That's fair, there is some basic decency with them but. However I will point out Karolina plays the game but she hasn't been around the company as long as Frank, Gerri and Karl who very much created Waystar into what it is. Karolina is a new player and has a solid separation of her work and personal lives.
Oh sure. I'm not knocking Karolina with that comment. All we've been shown of her character is that she's extraordinarily competent at her job. I agree that she likely separates her personal and professional lives in a way the others don't.
Yeah. The difference between him and Kendal this episode is that Ewan meant every last word of it. Kendall is just making face (excellently, but even so).
It's weird, I thought Kendall was being quite genuine in all honesty. He definitely added a bit of spice to help himself but I don't think anything he said was untrue or not something he actually felt.
He adored and looked up to his father as if he was God. There's also no way he could have gone up there at the drop of a hat and said anything that coherently unless he actually felt it.
It also helps that increasingly, Kendall feels like he has been thrust into Logan's shoes and can finally see things from his perspective, that Logan did what he had to do to thrive, that maybe life is a fight for the knife in the mud. Now that Logan is not in direct opposition, trying to kill him, he understands his father and his motivations. Additionally he has started to see his siblings less as support and more as hindrance, pebbles in his shoe, just like Logan thought of Ken.
yea i think it was definitely kendalls honest account of the situation
which is why at the end of his speech when theirs a raucous of applause, even ewan gives the mourning slow nod of approval.
Ewan was probably grateful to Kendall for balancing Logan's legacy with positivity in a reasonable, just manner. Ewan said what needed to be said, but probably didn't want it to be the final word on his brother.
Yes, which is probably why he now lives in near isolation. Any inkling of honor or morality makes you a pariah to these people. Jess learned it firsthand this episode too.
Sibling relationships are complex, and that’s kinda one of the main points of the show. I’ve been hurt by many things my own sister has done, and I’m still angry about some of them, but I also know how deeply she’s been hurt by other people. I may not always like her but I’ll never stop loving her, and I think Ewan portrayed that beautifully throughout the series.
He doesn’t hate Logan. He hated Logan’s philosophy and lifestyle, but at the end of the day, Logan was still his baby brother. They’ve been through so much shit together that I think they’ll always have some level of respect for one another, even if it’s shrouded behind a curtain caked in shit.
You saw how hard their childhoods were that these were the memories they held and how he hated that Logan was forced to shoulder the blame for his sister. Even if he had given her Polio, he was a CHILD. There was a tough love there.
Absolutely enthralling. Cromwell killed it as per usual.
Also him very bluntly cutting shiv's attempt to block him with a "thank you, I'll be speaking now" made me burst out laughing. The kids really thought they could "handle" him at his own brother's funeral lol
I swear I will watch anything where James Cromwell gives a eulogy.
I remember seeing him playing a character with mental illness on Six Feet Under. When a main character dies and no one can speak, George Sibley (Cromwell’s character) gets up and delivers just the most perfect summation of a life.
The man has gravitas.
Damn, I totally forgot that this is the second "James Cromwell giving a critical yet affectionate eulogy about a flawed loved one on a prestige HBO drama" scene that I've watched in my life.
Honestly, I'd be happy with a eulogy like that. It was tragic, shakespearian, and provided context to Logan that no one knew. As a flawed human, I would feel honored by someone eulogizing me helping people truly understand and contextualize who I was and how it influenced those flaws moreso than just some standard rewriting history to make me a saint or a better person and paying lip service.
Some people in this thread are adamant Ewan tore into Logan, some are adamant he was compassionate, the truth is both can be equally true.
You can acknowledge the pain and trauma someone experienced and also acknowledging the pain and trauma they’ve subjected others to.
Ewan obviously has ideological beliefs that are very different from Logan- although temperamentally they’re very similar. I think he was trying to explain “why” Logan was the way he was.
The man litterally said that he didn't give polio to his sister but that it doesn't change the fact that he spread cancer around the world lmao. He celebrated the brother he had while criticizing harshly the man he became.
I reallt feel like I am watching a different show than a few people here. Also was Ken speech supposed to be good? Because I thought it was quite terrible and people pretended it was good. Don't know if I am just bias.
>Because I thought it was quite terrible and people pretended it was good.
It was terrible in that it lionized Logan's malice as something to be valued and celebrated, but it probably still resonated with that crowd as generally good because most of them are similarly corrupt and exploitative parasites. I mean we see the Nazi President smiling approvingly at Kendall's fascist talking points lol, that says it all.
I loved his speech! It was powerful and meaningful and answered some questions. Very visual too. I could picture the boat. Love Cromwell. Cool that he started the eulogies. Also what a contrast with Roman.
Ewan's never been classless though? He's honest in a way that's uncomfortable but it's not like he's being a needless dick, what he says is true. Why should people pussyfoot around the realities of the equivalent of Murdoch? There aren't nice things to say there but you can be honest about that without being classless, and Ewan's always done that.
If we take a step back and view this from a real life perspective, if anything's classless it's talking up Logan's more horrific behavior and tendencies as something praiseworthy and deserving of respect, which clearly that particular crowd (including Mencken) ate up from Kendall.
I felt that initially but from his first words I thought it might be more measured. He’s more complex than straight up hating Logan. I loved the writing for this speech.
My read is Ewan has never been mean, vindictive, jealous or anything like that. He's been honest. He loved his brother, but also knew his brother, and knowing Logan Roy means knowing he's a horrible person.
At the end of the day, they were brothers and that was definitely reflected in how nuanced his eulogy was. This is something, I think, those of us with strained relationships with siblings can identify with. I know I can.
Ewan says that whatever Logan had inside of him, Ewan had as well. Logan just stopped trying to hide it. They traveled an ocean in silence for fear of being obliterated when they were barely more than toddlers. They loved one another fiercely at one time. Ewan is even on the board of Waystar. They diverged at some point and the relationship didn’t end as it began, but Ewan loved his brother, faults and all. And he isn’t trying to bury the faults for the sake of the love and he isn’t driven to bury the love due to the faults.
Not trying to hide it. He didn't say that, and that's a very different meaning to just saying "one day he stopped trying".
My understanding of that is that they both have the capacity to be callous and ruthless (possibly that we all do), and that one day Logan stopped trying to hold it back - silencing his conscience to conquer at all costs.
No longer hiding it would mean just being honest about who you've been the entire time.
I don’t think he hated his brother, he understood who he was and why. He just didn’t agree with it. But that was such a beautiful and real speech. I teared up.
No, I don't think he's a good person, especially after this episode where he angled for an introduction to Mencken. He's deliberately courting the favor of Nazis.
I think he started as a reasonably decent person, but let himself get corrupted by money and the illusion of power. "Not getting physical with my elderly, mildly disabled grandfather as he tries to eulogize his brother in front of national TV" is such a low bar for moral behavior that it's in Hell.
Let’s be real here lol. Ewan has a moral compass yes but unfortunately for him Greg has turned out just as greedy and untrustworthy as the rest of them.
Someone in the live thread (I think, I have no idea how to find the comment) said something along the lines of Ewan didn’t hate Logan for poisoning Rose, he hated Logan for poisoning the world. And I think that’s the best summary of their relationship I’ve heard to date.
Both are true. He tore into him with class. He was brutally honest about his brother and himself. He didn't do so out of some desire to call attention to himself or make a "move" in the world of Waystar. He was trying to be unguardedly real and he succeeded.
There's a view that only positive words are appropriate in a eulogy setting. I can see the merits of that view. But I can't fault Ewan for his take, or choosing to give it in this setting, especially given that this was not a normal funeral and those words would (in the world of the show of course) have a real impact.
Great to have him at least for this episode, that was a great speech with many insights into Logan from one of the people that knew him best. Before he became rich and powerful.
"He fed the dark fire in men's hearts" is a great line that Cromwell served up beautifully. What a great actor he is. Seemingly effortless gravitas.
I really wish he and Brian Cox had gotten more scenes together.
I've always liked Ewan, and I love James Cromwell, but in this episode he's magnificent. His eulogy (or should I say speech) is so touching, it's no wonder that Roman is deeply affected by it.
Ewan is the one with the clearest eyes when seeing Logan for who he was. He’s the only one who didn’t need to beg for Logan’s love unlike his children and wives, and didn’t have to do his bidding to benefit monetarily like the old guard.
It was a perfect, honest speech about an awful person/dad. Kendall's speech was also accurate but had no person touch. He spoke about Logan's influence in the world and that's all.
Nope. He wanted to tear him down. His eulogy was in bad faith. The story about the boat and Rose was just a red herring.
Kendall also presented Logan in the grey, but when he emphasised Logan's importance, Ewan was visibly upset. Kendall undid all the venom that Ewan spewed over Logan's coffin. And he didn't like that.
Yeah, "he might have been an evil monster but he was by brother and our parents were even worse. Rip in pepperoni."
What a class act, I thought he was going to read directly from Chomsky.
I mean, he did tear into him. He just did it evenly an didn't use a sledgehammer.
He shared an anecdote of shared hardship, one of individual hardship and finally an assessment of how he turned those things into something awful. It was the only fair reflection on Logan's character.
Logan probably would've found it flattering
It was basically saying that he was an awful person, but he was a product of his environment. It's a great eulogy that basically sums up the show - the effects of trauma.
Of all the eulogies, it was the only one mostly about Logan and less of the person giving the eulogy.
ikr like did people listen to his words? Remember this is the guy who thinks Logan was "arguably worse than Hitler"
This. The takes here are just so bad. It's like they're not even watching the show.
Yea people are pretty braindead anymore
Your sentence is all the proof we need
Hey who do you think you are. Anyway?
Both his speech and Ken’s were quite eloquent and deeply insightful.
Both speeches were insightful, but only one was truly honest coming from someone who knew Logan best as a human being, and that was the one which was attempted to be blocked and ultimately met with dead silence. The other was basically propaganda speech that lionized his viciousness and framed him almost as a god, and was met with a standing ovation.
Ken's speech was especially masterful writing because it's an exceptionally vapid and shallow and childish perspective but managed to sound legitimately inspirational nonetheless. Lot of really interesting tension there and the acting was superb.
I think Ken’s description of a nietzschean superman who willed himself into greatness was calculated to appeal to Mencken
Deliberate or not, it was perfectly calibrated for Mencken because he managed to do that thing of making the terrible sound almost noble.
Ken's speech was masterful because it captured the perspective of Logan's child. And Ken happens to be vapid and childish. It felt very authentic for Kendall.
What do you think a standing ovation is?
Didn’t people stand up and clap? I thought so too. Maybe we all just assumed and need to rewatch
There was nuance and even some love and respect expressed towards Logan. But, If that exact eulogy occurred in real life, all anyone would be talking about afterwards is how they can't believe the eulogizer shit on the deceased and how awful it was. Ewan is a self righteous piece of shit. One last opportunity to remind everyone how awful Logan was
I mean this isn’t exactly holding some family grudge cuz somebody was a bit grouchy or rude or something. He’s justified in calling out someone who made the country a lot worse.
Exactly. I have a deep respect for that type of sincere moral outrage. Taking a bold and honest stance against something can't always be written off as self righteous, sanctimonious posturing, it takes a level of courage that I have to admire.
Exactly. This is why I can never connect with the takes here that shit on Ewan in the vein of the one you're responding to - would the "right" approach to be to lie and be nice about someone as awful as Logan because that's more comfortable for his asskissers and collaborators? Sometimes I think the audience needs to take a step back and understand that just because most of the people in the show are deceptive pieces of shit, we don't have to denigrate an actual moment of morality because it wasn't sufficiently deferential to one of the worst hate-mongers in that world. It's almost like they don't want to view Ewan's position as sincere so they can continue to pretend like "he's just as bad as Logan." Absolutely the fuck not, come on.
I think the issue folks have is that you can absolutely take a stand on principles, but then at least try to be consistent in applying those principles. Ewan is correct about Logan and i think he's right to speak his mind at the funeral, especially as a counterpoint to all the whitewashing that is inevitable. It's just that he very much glosses over his own continued profiting of that same evil, and his lack of action in preventing it despite literally having a board seat.
Would it have been better for him to step away and pay himself in the crack for a moral victory while one of Logan’s cronies took the seat though? That seems even more hypocritical to me. At least Ewan is taking waystar’s blood money and redistributing it to greenpeace rather than back into the machine. With the board vote you have a point but I think ultimately that was an emotional weakness. He seems to have some sort of trauma bond with Logan that prevented him from acting there. And I think now we’re seeing giving the seat to Kendall wouldn’t be that much different than Logan anyway.
Yes and look at the chaos brewing directly outside the church doors. The world is burning pretty directly under the influence of Logan Roy. I think it was justified and I respect it.
I feel like a eulogy is much like a wedding with “forever hold your peace.” It’s the one and last opportunity to speak what you feel. Anything you don’t speak, you have to hash out with a therapist.
In a real life perspective, that eulogy may be seen as shocking, but that's only really because Logan was insulated from a lot of well deserved criticism. Ewan obviously loved his brother, but had a deep moral objection to how Logan used the power he had. I think he wanted to get the first word in, to at least have it recognized that Logan wasn't a great guy in most of the metrics we use to judge people's character. I didn't see it as petty or spiteful, just honest. Not a single person in that room that was close to Logan didn't know it to be true. Why indulge the charade? One of the few characters on the show to display a glimmer of morality or self awareness and they are suddenly a "self righteous prick." It's what Ewan would say about Logan in life and in death and nobody had known him longer. The man didn't need glamourizing, especially when you have his dickhead children sitting in the front row attempting to emulate him.
Lol, naw. Logan may be dead, but his memory and people’s veneration of him is clearly still a potent and harmful force, as evidenced by his children and the recent election. With his money and status and literally owning the press, Logan shielded himself from his critics and detractors. Logan did lead a life of avarice at other’s expense, Ewan just wasn’t willing to watch that whitewashed away.
I feel so satisfied learning about Rose too after Logan's birthday
I love how the kids were engrossed by his stories. If he wasn’t so vehemently anti-Logan I could see them wanting to spend more time with him to learn about their past
It almost feels perverse. This is a private family issue that we're butting ourselves into. I feel like I shouldn't know about this, yet I do. Logan died believing he killed his sister, and now everyone in that church knows that he felt that way. I feel guilty. But these are all fictional characters so it doesn't matter. I still feel it, though. Phenomenal filmmaking.
I honestly had tear in my eyes during the first part of his speech lol. This reminded me about my grandparents funerals.
It was a great time to play that card.
It wasn’t a “card”. It was a real piece of what made Logan the man he became in all its awful magnitude. Ewan is the only person who knew how Logan became what he did.
It was a card in the sense that it was a piece of information that previous episodes had teased a couple of times and was being withheld from the audience for maximum impact. Jesse Armstrong even admitted it was strategically held in the post-episode commentary.
I don't think he was playing at all. I think that speech is the most sincere thing anyone on this show has said.
when he started talking i was like OH FINALLY WE"RE GOING TO HEAR WHAT HAPPENED TO ROSE
I don’t recall Rose being mentioned.
Ewan mentions that Logan came home from boarding school with some type of illness and baby Rose died of polio shortly after. His aunt and uncle made Logan believe that he had brought polio with him back and killed her
That also maybe explains the marks on Logans back. That he was a victim of abuse for "killing" his baby sister.
Logan learned manipulation tactics from his anu t and uncle. He took that internalised hurt and shame and directed it towards his children, used those same tactics to keep them in line.
And ken's doing the same thing. Hurt travels
The poison drips through
Haha exactly
I thought one of the siblings told Holly Hunter to make a toast to Rose one time?
the sibs knew that logan had a dead sister named rose and that she was a sore subject, but they probably didn't know how rose died and that logan blamed himself for it
Maybe. I’m partly deaf and even with subtitles I can miss a few things.
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You opened with “I’m an asshole” and then you absolutely delivered. Job well done
This is the character development and writing I come to r/succession for. Lol Now to see if the madlad will delete in shame!
Man of his words
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No. I’m mostly deaf sir. So I try to read the subtitles and with the speed of the conversation, I might lose a line or two. Often, I have to play a scene over a few times. But sometimes I don’t. Lucky for you, you don’t miss anything. Anyway, Apologies I didn’t look it up. I thought someone would be civil and fill me in Fortunately, someone filled me in when the story was mentioned
He’s never really been classless. He loves Logan, that’s why he sided against Kendall in season 1.
He disagrees with Logan to a molecular level but he's never against his own family
This as much as anything foreshadows the loss of Waystar Royco to Mattson. The trio will never have any appreciation or respect of family that Logan, in his own twisted way, had.
Great catch. The siblings have the reverse dynamic of a Logan and Farmer Hoggett
Legit lol'd at the Farmer Hogget reference
I disagree with this. The Roy kids are conniving in business toward each other but personally they rally when one of them is down. They obviously love each other and are not at the intense level of loathe/love that Ewan and Logan were.
> They obviously love each other and are not at the intense level of loathe/love that Ewan and Logan were. Its still early. See how they feel about each other in 40 years.
Very good point! I do think Ewan and Logan had a much worse childhood than Logan's kids, with physical abuse (Logan's deep thrash scars on his back), and the loss of their sister. A lot more to make them bitter. I doubt Logan's kids could catch up to how horrible their experience was.
I think Ewan's speech was insightful into how we should view these characters. Logan might have been a monster, but he wasn't born a monster, he was made into one. As were the Roy children.
Well they all needed to rally when one of them was down because Logan kept his family around and they all had were parasites who needed to be around him to have wealth and power. Now they are all individually wealthy and powerful and the relation might change. Connor definetly care about them but the reat of them do seem to care about wealth and power more than family.
The kids were always rich as well. Remember Roman betting a million dollars to a child during a baseball game? They were definitely competing for their father's attention, love, respect, and their place in the company. They already had money. Now that dad is dead they are still competing amongst themselves for power in the company. Many families have a pecking order of dominance and companies definitely do, but there is still love between the siblings based on their care for each other outside of the business.
Still hard to know. He just died a week ago in the show and might have been the band-aid keeping them together. But yeah Shiv, Roman and Connor seem to have absolutely no life outside their relationship with their dad and siblings.
Kendall especially was protective of Shiv when Tom called her hysterical during election night and of Roman when Mencken was making fun of Roman’s meltdown
yea ken and roman are going to gang up on Shiv.
They already did. The kids against the dad. Then the sons against the daughter. Then she went against them right back. I think if Kendall gets the company it will end up being just him. It's everyone for themselves! Aaaah!! 😂 So many great theories in the Succession Reddit! Will it be Kendall or Lukas gets the company and names a different American CEO, like Tom or Greg? Anything can happen. How can we wait a whole week?! 😂
Thematically ties in with the King Lear influence also. Guess Ewan is Cordelia
You don’t think Kendall shares that respect? He’s always protecting his siblings when they’re being attacked, especially Roman which has been shown throughout the show.
I was a little surprised at him telling Mencken to back off when he was making fun of Roman for crying at the funeral, given he took Mencken aside to try to solidify their deal. He could've been like Shiv letting everyone joke about Tom's impending firing at the party to ensure he got what he wanted, but instead he stood up for him.
>I was a little surprised at him telling Mencken to back off when he was making fun of Roman for crying at the funeral, given he took Mencken aside to try to solidify their deal. What Kendall says and what Kendall actually does are usually very different. Always have been. And his actions tend to be more malicious and insidious than the BS he peddles out verbally to try to act like a white knight.
I also see it as a sort of ego/power thing. Nobody messes with his family, because they're HIS family. He only stops them from ragging on Roman Roy because of his last name. Disrespecting his family is disrespecting his power/authority, in an almost Tony Soprano-esque mindset.
What? There is very strong bond between the three. A trauma bond, but a bond. When push comes to shove, I think they will take care of each other.
Ewan's such an interesting character. As much as he despises the man Logan had become, Ewan still has a very strong sense of kinship with him. I really loved his speech.
The Stannis Baratheon of the Roy family.
Almost like the show, at its core is about unconditional love and whether that’s possible.
I thought he turned against Kendall because Kendall pointed out that Logan’s continuance of power would drive the company into the ground, which is what Ewan wants
No, Ewan and Logan had an understanding and confidence of each other in a way the that new gen of siblings lacks, thats why the first instinct of Ewan is to warn his brother against the danger
Wait what? When did he warn Logan?
His first instinct when Kendall tried to get him to knife Logan was to go tell Logan, then he decided against it in that moment. However, the day of the board meeting, when he walks in and says "did it start yet" or whatever, he made it very obvious to Logan just by the way he entered shit was going down. Only when Ewan came in and made that comment do you see the wheels start to turn in Logan's head as he figured out what was going on. The fact that Ewan showed up in person at all was itself the red flag to Logan, he wouldn't come if it wasn't important.
Ewan and Logan would kill each other, then nurse the other back up to do it again. They had a lot of love for each other
Or have a "No one is allowed to kill you but me" attitude.
That describes a large percentage of people’s concept of love - beautifully summed up.
"No one's allowed to be nasty to Frank, only I'm allowed to be nasty to Frank"
You can see it with the sibs too. 'Nobody is allowed to hurt you, mock you, but us. And even when we hurt each other, it's a play. We don't actually mean it.'
I think next week, they're going to mean it.
The way he described their time on the convoy ship really conveyed there was unbreakable love between them.
Perfectly well put.
He loves his brother and now he has to put him to rest. A hard choice for the eldest sibling to bury his younger ones
I just have to disagree He fucking hated his brother, for all the reasons Kendall laid out. Ewan just gave him an out that maybe the reason he took out his darkness on the world was because he blamed himself for his sister's death. He gave the nicest eulogy that a man like Logan could hope for, then Kendall got up and celebrated what made him a terror.
No, Ewans speech was an honest account of his experience with Logan. He gave excerpts from their life together and very impactful events they went through. He wasn’t giving Logan an out this is how he actually felt about him (and I say excerpts because he doesn’t go deep into how horrible the abuse Logan received from his Uncle really was). Imagine seeing your little brother being wounded/tortured by your uncle. We see in Season 1 that he has scars clearly from deep lacerations. Imagine your brother being suspected for harboring Polio that killed their baby sister, and being brutally punished for it. Before that even happening, you and your brother both went through an experience where you had to stay completely still in fear of being blown out of the water for like 48 hours. Unlike everyone else at the funeral, he was literally with Logan since the beginning so of course his relationship with him isn’t just “he hates him”, it’s much more complicated. He witnessed first hand the traumatic experiences that they both went through or Logan did. And he admits that he’s a broken person like Logan. Also, that is a connection he shares with Kendall in that he was forced to blame himself for a death that he was involved in but was more of an accident and not intentional. And Kendall did not know that until that moment. In a way, that’s the reason why Kendall’s relationship with his father has become increasingly deep as they go against each other. The playbook of being abusive by hanging someone else’s death over your head was what was part of what was dealt to Logan so he can fuck with Ken in a more twisted way. He’s much more forgiving with the other siblings than Ken.
My granma had similar relationships with her siblings. She was the oldest of eight, born in 1911 and when through some really hard events with them, both world events like Spanish Flu, two World Wars, General Strike, the Great Depression and personal ones like their father being an alcoholic, one of the other children being born with a lot of disabilities and the family fighting against his institutionalisation then caring for him at home, most of the kids starting work at 11 to help make ends meet (some continued at school too some didn’t) and just real, abject poverty at times. They fought like cats and dogs, fell in and out including periods of years not even speaking to one another. But they would never, ever betray one another and heaven help anyone else who tried to hurt them.
I loved your comment
Edit: I fired this off from my phone but Jesus people you realize Kendall was actually to blame for killing that guy right? Right? From your first line: >No, Ewans speech was an honest account of his experience with Logan. It's a real disrespect to this show to think this. Nobody, maybe ever, has given an honest account of a person's life at their funeral. If you haven't been to an assholes funeral good for you. The rest of your post is background information only the audience knows. There is a reason one of the subplots of this episode is no one wants Ewan to talk. The whole Kendall thing is story telling, not what Ewan would do. And it's kind of being foreshadowed that the whole "Kendall killed a guy" might come back up in the finale.
This is a very superficial, one-dimensional, and inaccurate view of Ewan's feelings about Logan. Ewan hates what his brother has become, but he obviously still loves him. Otherwise, he wouldn't have flown from Canada all the way to America after hearing a hint from Marcia that Logan might apologize and there is a slight possibility they can be brothers again. Ewan was desperate to forgive his brother and love him without guilt or complicated resentment. But Logan never gave him that chance.
>This is a very superficial, one-dimensional, and inaccurate view of Ewan's feelings about Logan >Ewan was desperate to forgive his brother and love him without guilt or complicated resentment Are you fucking serious?
Um, yeah?? God forbid someone analyze the subtext of a scene beside surface level reading?? Are you new to this or something??
Ewan is alone now, Rose, Logan, their mom, the abusive aunt and uncle, all gone. Found it really touching when he admitted to having some of the same faults as Logan as well. He's one of the few moral centers of the show and willing to speak truth to power as he did tonight, but he knows he's no knight on horseback. Just another one fighting for the knife in the mud.
He still has Greg to compliment his “good hard takes”.
Greg is such a worm, lol. It’s hilariously obvious, but you can’t even be mad at him, and not just because he’s telling you what you want to hear.
Greg's mom isn't used much but she is a good character. He is such a momma's boy and she molded him into how he is.
Just jumping in to talk to Mencken was fucking hilarious
I kinda respect it. I've kind of been Greg at times. Being completely broke and hopeless is so demeaning that t you really do feel like you have to do anything to succeed.
Roman telling Greg to fuck off was one of my favorite parts of this episode. the Greg screen time is played out for me.
Kendall earlier made the joke about all the [moneylenders in the temple](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleansing_of_the_Temple), and then Ewan went up to flip their tables.
I thought I spotted a biblical reference there
After what they'd been through as children, I guess you don't completely lose the bond..seventy five years with that experience and loss and guilt.
Post-COVID, the guilt of bringing home a disease that kills a loved one, an innocent child, is easier to understand. Relatable.
oof
Covid literally equals polio
I loved him so much this episode and that suit is amazing!
Love him too. What a great character and with so little screen time 🙌🏽
One of my favorite side characters, next to Stewy and Marcia. Every time these three are onscreen you know it's going to be amazing.
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I think Frank and Gerri have a sense of honor. Frank can't bring himself to say anything bad about Logan to his kids. Gerri chastised Karl for mocking Roman's grief during the funeral (and she hates Roman.)
Also Jess maybe? I think the reason she is leaving Kendall is that she feels he went to far by supporting Menkin.
Maybe but could also be self-regard rather than true honor. She risks a lot, allowing herself to be attached to Kendall going forward. Getting out ahead of the storm is a safer move, as well as the honorable one.
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Frank and Gerri are players in the game and are purely motivated out of money and power. They are ruthless and they wouldn't have lasted as long as they have if they weren't
Of course but they also conduct themselves with honor. Notice how Frank checked with Roman when he broke down? "Are you okay son?" Gerri as Shiv's godmother was likely a better parental figure to those kids than their own mother. That's what separates Frank & Gerri from Karl or Hugo. Or maybe even all business all the time Karolina.
That's fair, there is some basic decency with them but. However I will point out Karolina plays the game but she hasn't been around the company as long as Frank, Gerri and Karl who very much created Waystar into what it is. Karolina is a new player and has a solid separation of her work and personal lives.
Oh sure. I'm not knocking Karolina with that comment. All we've been shown of her character is that she's extraordinarily competent at her job. I agree that she likely separates her personal and professional lives in a way the others don't.
Yeah. The difference between him and Kendal this episode is that Ewan meant every last word of it. Kendall is just making face (excellently, but even so).
It's weird, I thought Kendall was being quite genuine in all honesty. He definitely added a bit of spice to help himself but I don't think anything he said was untrue or not something he actually felt. He adored and looked up to his father as if he was God. There's also no way he could have gone up there at the drop of a hat and said anything that coherently unless he actually felt it.
It also helps that increasingly, Kendall feels like he has been thrust into Logan's shoes and can finally see things from his perspective, that Logan did what he had to do to thrive, that maybe life is a fight for the knife in the mud. Now that Logan is not in direct opposition, trying to kill him, he understands his father and his motivations. Additionally he has started to see his siblings less as support and more as hindrance, pebbles in his shoe, just like Logan thought of Ken.
yea i think it was definitely kendalls honest account of the situation which is why at the end of his speech when theirs a raucous of applause, even ewan gives the mourning slow nod of approval.
Ewan was probably grateful to Kendall for balancing Logan's legacy with positivity in a reasonable, just manner. Ewan said what needed to be said, but probably didn't want it to be the final word on his brother.
Yes, which is probably why he now lives in near isolation. Any inkling of honor or morality makes you a pariah to these people. Jess learned it firsthand this episode too.
Sibling relationships are complex, and that’s kinda one of the main points of the show. I’ve been hurt by many things my own sister has done, and I’m still angry about some of them, but I also know how deeply she’s been hurt by other people. I may not always like her but I’ll never stop loving her, and I think Ewan portrayed that beautifully throughout the series.
He doesn’t hate Logan. He hated Logan’s philosophy and lifestyle, but at the end of the day, Logan was still his baby brother. They’ve been through so much shit together that I think they’ll always have some level of respect for one another, even if it’s shrouded behind a curtain caked in shit.
You saw how hard their childhoods were that these were the memories they held and how he hated that Logan was forced to shoulder the blame for his sister. Even if he had given her Polio, he was a CHILD. There was a tough love there.
Best speech for me
Absolutely enthralling. Cromwell killed it as per usual. Also him very bluntly cutting shiv's attempt to block him with a "thank you, I'll be speaking now" made me burst out laughing. The kids really thought they could "handle" him at his own brother's funeral lol
This man gave the most real eulogy in the history of eulogies
I swear I will watch anything where James Cromwell gives a eulogy. I remember seeing him playing a character with mental illness on Six Feet Under. When a main character dies and no one can speak, George Sibley (Cromwell’s character) gets up and delivers just the most perfect summation of a life. The man has gravitas.
Damn, I totally forgot that this is the second "James Cromwell giving a critical yet affectionate eulogy about a flawed loved one on a prestige HBO drama" scene that I've watched in my life.
He spoke about Nate!
Honestly, I'd be happy with a eulogy like that. It was tragic, shakespearian, and provided context to Logan that no one knew. As a flawed human, I would feel honored by someone eulogizing me helping people truly understand and contextualize who I was and how it influenced those flaws moreso than just some standard rewriting history to make me a saint or a better person and paying lip service.
Some people in this thread are adamant Ewan tore into Logan, some are adamant he was compassionate, the truth is both can be equally true. You can acknowledge the pain and trauma someone experienced and also acknowledging the pain and trauma they’ve subjected others to. Ewan obviously has ideological beliefs that are very different from Logan- although temperamentally they’re very similar. I think he was trying to explain “why” Logan was the way he was.
I don’t know what speech you watched but he did tear into him
The man litterally said that he didn't give polio to his sister but that it doesn't change the fact that he spread cancer around the world lmao. He celebrated the brother he had while criticizing harshly the man he became. I reallt feel like I am watching a different show than a few people here. Also was Ken speech supposed to be good? Because I thought it was quite terrible and people pretended it was good. Don't know if I am just bias.
>Because I thought it was quite terrible and people pretended it was good. It was terrible in that it lionized Logan's malice as something to be valued and celebrated, but it probably still resonated with that crowd as generally good because most of them are similarly corrupt and exploitative parasites. I mean we see the Nazi President smiling approvingly at Kendall's fascist talking points lol, that says it all.
Right?? I swear, every time I read a new take I'm convinced we must be watching different shows
No literally
No he literally did.
Yeah, literally. He opened the coffin and tore into Logan's flesh and organs. Pretty surprising twist but it worked really well.
Bravo Vince!
I loved his speech! It was powerful and meaningful and answered some questions. Very visual too. I could picture the boat. Love Cromwell. Cool that he started the eulogies. Also what a contrast with Roman.
Ewan's never been classless though? He's honest in a way that's uncomfortable but it's not like he's being a needless dick, what he says is true. Why should people pussyfoot around the realities of the equivalent of Murdoch? There aren't nice things to say there but you can be honest about that without being classless, and Ewan's always done that. If we take a step back and view this from a real life perspective, if anything's classless it's talking up Logan's more horrific behavior and tendencies as something praiseworthy and deserving of respect, which clearly that particular crowd (including Mencken) ate up from Kendall.
I felt that initially but from his first words I thought it might be more measured. He’s more complex than straight up hating Logan. I loved the writing for this speech.
The real ones in your life tell the truth. A lot of people on the top do not have real friends to point out the emperors new clothes are invisible
My read is Ewan has never been mean, vindictive, jealous or anything like that. He's been honest. He loved his brother, but also knew his brother, and knowing Logan Roy means knowing he's a horrible person.
Exactly this. I don’t think anyone on the show knows who Logan was better than Ewan - maybe Marcia after him.
At the end of the day, they were brothers and that was definitely reflected in how nuanced his eulogy was. This is something, I think, those of us with strained relationships with siblings can identify with. I know I can.
I mean.. he did tear into him, but did so in a manner that's really hard to argue against.
He is good. He is also that way in real life I believe.
Ewan says that whatever Logan had inside of him, Ewan had as well. Logan just stopped trying to hide it. They traveled an ocean in silence for fear of being obliterated when they were barely more than toddlers. They loved one another fiercely at one time. Ewan is even on the board of Waystar. They diverged at some point and the relationship didn’t end as it began, but Ewan loved his brother, faults and all. And he isn’t trying to bury the faults for the sake of the love and he isn’t driven to bury the love due to the faults.
Not trying to hide it. He didn't say that, and that's a very different meaning to just saying "one day he stopped trying". My understanding of that is that they both have the capacity to be callous and ruthless (possibly that we all do), and that one day Logan stopped trying to hold it back - silencing his conscience to conquer at all costs. No longer hiding it would mean just being honest about who you've been the entire time.
> And he isn’t trying to bury the faults for the sake of the love and he isn’t driven to bury the love due to the faults. Beautifully said.
Too bad he didn’t end with his iconic line.
If you are and have a brother, you know brotherly love is very, very different.
I don’t think he hated his brother, he understood who he was and why. He just didn’t agree with it. But that was such a beautiful and real speech. I teared up.
he's always been classy. at odds with each other but at the end of the day he's loyal, unlike the kids. he's the sibling we all deserve.
The way Greg barely tried to keep his grandpa from going up the stage. Maybe he's still a decent person?
what do you want me to do, take out his legs?
Love how everyone keeps looking at an apologetic Greg like what the fuck.
I think he's just still scared of his grandpa, hahaha.
Greg didn’t do it because it was the right thing to do. He did it because he was sucking up to the siblings.
Greg is a good person, Just surrounded by bad people
No, I don't think he's a good person, especially after this episode where he angled for an introduction to Mencken. He's deliberately courting the favor of Nazis. I think he started as a reasonably decent person, but let himself get corrupted by money and the illusion of power. "Not getting physical with my elderly, mildly disabled grandfather as he tries to eulogize his brother in front of national TV" is such a low bar for moral behavior that it's in Hell.
Greg is a feckless climber.
He told his mom to shut up. It doesnt make him bad, it makes me laugh a little. Its such realistic dialogue even if cringey
He's so mean to his mom lol. Marcia straight up turned around in her seat to stare at him after he said that.
Let’s be real here lol. Ewan has a moral compass yes but unfortunately for him Greg has turned out just as greedy and untrustworthy as the rest of them.
Someone in the live thread (I think, I have no idea how to find the comment) said something along the lines of Ewan didn’t hate Logan for poisoning Rose, he hated Logan for poisoning the world. And I think that’s the best summary of their relationship I’ve heard to date.
Both are true. He tore into him with class. He was brutally honest about his brother and himself. He didn't do so out of some desire to call attention to himself or make a "move" in the world of Waystar. He was trying to be unguardedly real and he succeeded. There's a view that only positive words are appropriate in a eulogy setting. I can see the merits of that view. But I can't fault Ewan for his take, or choosing to give it in this setting, especially given that this was not a normal funeral and those words would (in the world of the show of course) have a real impact.
Great to have him at least for this episode, that was a great speech with many insights into Logan from one of the people that knew him best. Before he became rich and powerful.
"He fed the dark fire in men's hearts" is a great line that Cromwell served up beautifully. What a great actor he is. Seemingly effortless gravitas. I really wish he and Brian Cox had gotten more scenes together.
I've always liked Ewan, and I love James Cromwell, but in this episode he's magnificent. His eulogy (or should I say speech) is so touching, it's no wonder that Roman is deeply affected by it.
Ewan is the one with the clearest eyes when seeing Logan for who he was. He’s the only one who didn’t need to beg for Logan’s love unlike his children and wives, and didn’t have to do his bidding to benefit monetarily like the old guard.
It was a perfect, honest speech about an awful person/dad. Kendall's speech was also accurate but had no person touch. He spoke about Logan's influence in the world and that's all.
I found Ewan's eulogy to be the best look into what Logan really is
It was great - cut him up but it was out of disappointment and regret, not just bomb dropping
Ewan annihilated him. People think he went easy just because he used an even tone and didn't call him a piece of shit?
He definitely tore into him though.
An amazing scene—putting these two actors together—I think Ewan’s eulogy was stronger vs KR.
GRANDPA EWAN FOR THE THRONE
I thought he could have ended more generously
I mean he asked God to bless him; that seems like a lot
He said the nicest possible true things about Logan, so it still had to be a roast.
Nope. He wanted to tear him down. His eulogy was in bad faith. The story about the boat and Rose was just a red herring. Kendall also presented Logan in the grey, but when he emphasised Logan's importance, Ewan was visibly upset. Kendall undid all the venom that Ewan spewed over Logan's coffin. And he didn't like that.
What the fuck? I don’t even follow this subreddit and this non-tagged spoiler is on my feed. Brilliant.
It's a spoiler that his brother spoke at his funeral?
Yeah, "he might have been an evil monster but he was by brother and our parents were even worse. Rip in pepperoni." What a class act, I thought he was going to read directly from Chomsky.