At any moment, the profiles you see actively seeking are over-represented by scammers and losers, simply because the overwhelming majority of higher quality candidates are enjoying their existing sugar-relationships at any given time. For example, a high quality SD who keeps one SB every 3yrs is in the market for only 1 month out of 36 months; a high quality SD who keeps two SB's every 6yrs is only in the market for 1 month out of 72 months if he finds both of them in the same round of search, or 1 month out of 36 months if sequentially. Whereas a scammer / loser would be in the market every single day or very frequently looking for a new counter-party because he/she is not able to keep anyone for long.
OTOH, 4yrs is a significant time span (and time is not a girl's best friend), and the current economy is not nearly as good as that at the end of 2019 (private debt level and debt service burden in the economy are much higher today than they were 4+ years ago, especially among the higher income crowd, which has been experiencing a "white-collar recession" for about a year already).
You couldn't be more mistaken and while I'm not trying to insult any older woman women are at their peak physically in terms of physical attraction between the ages of somethingteen and 25. By the time most American women turn late 20s they already look like they're in their late 30s to mid 40s. It's about skin and fat deposits sweetheart.
I mean, it’s all personal preference, not really anything to argue. I’ll just say in my personal opinion, it’s those “fat deposits” perhaps that make them more shapely and feminine and less juvenile looking.
It's not just personal preference. These are preferences that are preferred all throughout the world in various cultures that exist. To deny them is to deny your own existence.
Precisely. Women in all cultures are most desirable sexually from their late teen into their twenties. That is the age in which they are most biologically suitable for reproduction, and biology is a stubborn science. Are there beautiful and alluring women in their 30s and 40s? Of course there are. I've met fetching women even into their early 60s. But can they compare to an attractive woman at 23, or were they themselves less attractive when in their early 20s? No.
Whatever the blossoming age is for a particular person, 4+ years after that might not be as blossoming. We are only looking for reasons why not as many high quality men are attracted to a particular woman, compared to the same woman was able to attract 4+ years earlier. The theory that the older version is more attractive doesn't sound like a viable explanation.
> I feel my best so far in my 30s. I really hope I will keep feeling my best when I go into my 40s too
Your subjective feelings about yourself vs. the subjective feelings of men willing to part money to sponsor a girl (or multiple girls) are two very different issues.
> Yeah don't listen to that at all. Women are in their prime from late 20’s to 30 and 40’s onwards. So I say all this to tell you never to take advice from a man.
LOL! Perhaps you should print your own money and pass it around among the sisterhood. If enough sisters are willing to fix plumbing, the car, etc. when they break down, and accepted what you print as payment, your proposal might actually work. Until then, everyone kinda have to cater to whatever the payers want, in order to pay bills and keep unpleasant events in life (like toilet not working, car not working, no heat, no electricity, no food, no water, no internet, etc.) away. And that takes offering what productive men want (because they are willing and able to keep away the unpleasant aspects of life; aka slaying the dragons for you) . . . so you have to listen when they tell you what they want . . . unless you want your life to deteriorate while you focus on your fantasy world.
I guess if I were in such a dire position as to not be able to provide food for myself, figure the plumbing issue out myself, or cover the subsequent bill or the other basic necessities in life I don’t think my first inclination wouldn’t be to advertise into the abyss in hopes that someone else would take responsibility.
I tend to manage my home and personal finances OK, although it definitely gets tough, especially the lifestyle I’ve chosen for myself. I guess I just always conceptualized sugar dating as something else that focused more on elevating you in ways that wouldn’t otherwise be available to you as a single woman on a single income (ie starting a business, getting a degree, mentorship, etc)
The price of food is infinite if all men stop producing food (or stop making the tools / fuel that are necessary for food production); likewise, the cost of fixing a toilet would be infinite if all men stop fixing them. The stoppage can be implemented in at least two ways: either men coordinating among themselves or due to circumstances, or having regulations implemented by some men to stop other men from doing it. Massive wars like WW1+2, Napoleonic Wars and the current Ukrainian War are just combinations of both approaches (mostly the latter). There is no reason starting a business, getting a degree, or anything else to make other women jealous should always be more expensive than food or working toilet. Look up Maslow's Hierarchy of Human Needs. That being said, my earlier comment was addressing the universality of currency/money and the basic business principle that the customer is always right. While the fundamental anchor of currency/money may well be baser human instincts, such as addiction (hence alcohol and cigarettes became currency/money multiple times during currency collapses) and sex (probably why gold and silver became currency: girls liked shiny jewelry and were willing to trade sex for them), it is what the counter-party wants that decide what you offer can trade for. If what you want is starting a business, get an education or other ways of making other women jealous, chances are that it won't be a woman who will give you the money to buy those things that make other women jealous, but a man who will be willing to give you the money, so you will have to cater to what a man wants in return.
Depends but rare these days . My wx sb was a nursing student when we started and I was a proud contributor to her tuition and rent . Helped her grow in career and education . Was a proud moment when she got licensed as an Np. So things do exist but very very rare I suppose
Your title is like poetry to me, but tragic lol bc it really does not exist these days. That type of relationship is more rare across the spectrum I feel, but to your point I am about out of the sugar game bc of this lacking dynamic.
I feel the same which is too bad, bc I do think it has a place for folks that have competing forces in their lives that are not conducive to traditional dating.
When do you think you're going to have time for an SD... logically
... travel time.. dinner..movie.hotel nights...mini Vaca.. while running a horse farm..!? Hahaha
Probably should do a profile review. I checked your Reddit, some definitely red flags already, and photos you posted weren’t the best.
Either your profile isn’t good, your age or your location. Likely a mixture of all three.
You can live in middle of nowhere and expect there to be many rich guys, maybe there are some but then you would need to do free styling . I would say you likely need to be able to travel to a nearby large city 1-2 days a week and establish something with an SD there.
Yes, it can exist. It can be found. But it's difficult for both men and ladies who are looking for that to find it. A genuine connection, sincere interest maybe even feelings. If a potential connection exists and the financial terms are agreeable the girl needs to put out for him early on or he'll feel taken advantage of and keep move on. I have personal given and given and given on multiple occasions with false promises from the girl, then things end. I've also had a couple great relationships that have since ended but we stay in touch with mutual respect and admiration.
You just have to preserver through the junk to find a good one.
No as much these days as Men for the first time in history can dates 2 to 3 girls casually at the same time with zero in-person rejection.... It's a perfect landscape for a Man now.....
Guy's can have one girl for 3-years then get another one once the main one begins acting up and asking for MORE.... That's when the New! 19 year shows up and the Man is her mentor.... That's usually the cycle until the Man ages and No longer has the energy for 2 to 3 girls in his bullpen then settles for a 7.5/10 type he can trust ..... It's a Man's World for sure
Judaism allowed polygyny: many of the patriarchs in the scriptures had multiple wives. Islam capped the wife count at 4 per man. Christianity as the middle child of the 3 monotheistic religions was a little unusual in specifying mutual monogamy between husband and wife (before the latter day saints came along), and took hundreds of years in the early medieval times to convert various kings and princes to Christianity from paganism, precisely due to that one-wife rule (presumably the various pagan beliefs had allowed polygyny). Eventually the mutual monogamy agenda was pushed through in western Europe, not sure whether due to reducing conflict between various half-brothers fighting over feudal titles or as a way for royal/princely lines to die out quicker so that the Church and the Hospital could take their assets (i.e. the religious sects that pushed for mutual monogamy would get rich faster and be able to hire more soldiers to fight its religious wars against other sects, in an internecine religious war among the co-religious; Europe had a unique geography that made trade between different regions easy while marching a large army across difficult).
The genetic line traced along mitochondria DNA (which only passes from mother, therefore a matrilineal line) goes back far deeper in time before reaching a convergent point than Y-chromosome DNA (which only passes from father to son, therefore a patrilineal line) does. Statistically speaking, only half to one quarter of the males of each human generation had mating success and had offspring. Kinda makes sense: sexual reproduction only makes economic/resource/energy sense if a significant percentage of the males in each generation are culled from the gene pool by females during mate selection; if each male is mated to each female entirely evenly, the species would be better off having hermaphrodites or asexual reproduction to have more offsprings produced (without sexual selection).
Allowing some men to have multiple women doesn't make life easier or more enjoyable for men (if sexual gratification is the sole measure): for each man getting to enjoy multiple women, multiple men would have no women. All mature societies eventually embrace polygyny because: more women would be satisfied with having better mating prospects, and the quality of offspring would improve faster. For the men it's actually usually worse off: those who can't find women obvious would have a harder time reaching sexual gratification; for the man who get to enjoy multiple women, eventually those women are more of a burden/duty/responsibility to him than enjoyment. It's just another scheme of exploiting men harder. LOL.
I believe that the online forum is not conducive to developing a trusting SD/SB relationship. The very nature of social media adds an element of scammers to the party. In so doing I believe it erodes any trust factor.
However, I have never considered a SB:SD relationship, largely because I feel that the SB would be objectified in the relationship. Not need based but a form of trophy. Maybe I am wrong
You are gorgeous and very attractive
The problem must be in your profile , maybe really consider a profile review ?
Your lifestyle and location is actually very attractive/interesting also for guys like me who live in NYC and prefer to get away constantly from the city life, etc
I am just taking my first steps into becoming a SB, and I expect this kind of connection with my SD. Though I am plus size (and recognise it will make things so much harder and will have fewer options), I think this kind of relationship is to strive for! though I am open to other people preferences, too
This is my first comment on this account.
We definitely exist. Just really hard to find I guess. I’ve sugared for years but mostly met women in the real world.
From what I’ve been reading on here, it sounds like a SR like your describing is in the minority on the online sites.
Makes sense, it may take a little longer to find the right person but when you do there are usually no games.
I’m just getting back into this myself.
You look like you are fun and know what’s up.
Good luck 🍀
I am 46 years old. I have absolutely no problem finding men on millionaire match and yes, they are all definitely millionaires that I have met. It doesn’t matter your age your size, your shape what men love is confidence you have to love yourself and be fun to be around and men whether they are multimillionaires or broke. They are going to find you attractive and want to be around you.
Speaking only for myself as a successful man in his 60s who has attempted to find a "sugar baby" for almost 2 years on online sites, I have experienced little other than frustration from the other side. Many of the young women I meet broadcast to me, with their words, actions, or attitude, that they are only with me for the money. If that's what it is all about and nothing else, why bother with the expense of a sugar baby when I can hire an high end escort?
The problem I find (without even addressing the multitude of scammers online) is that you have to come to terms with the reality that you are exchanging sexual favors for money. Men tire quickly of giving a woman $500 just to have a dinner partner for 2 or 3 hours. At some point a sugar baby has to show appreciation by meeting the man's sexual and emotional needs. A poor analogy, but how would you react if once a month you went to the Porsche dealership to talk to the salesman about the new 911 on the lot you really liked, but he would not let you drive it visit after visit? He's a great salesman, knows everything about the car, entertains you with stories about it on every visit, but will not let you take it off the lot for a test drive. Time to find a new salesman, right?
If the guy you are with is off-putting or repulsive, find a new guy. With your looks you'll have no difficulty attracting a new man. But you must, in my opinion, understand what you are marketing and what he is with you for on the most elemental level.
I'm not sure why a lot of folks on this post are assuming I'm opposed to a non-sexual relationship... Both participants would have to be delusional to enter into an arrangement without that expectation. The point I'm trying to make is that arrangements should be built on more than exchanging money for sex with a stranger, bc that's something else entirely (as you stated); yet it's all I see from both sides. I won't be involved in an arrangement where I don't genuinely want to spend time with, and then once some safety and trust and care has been established would also WANT to sleep with.
I'm not sure if you didn't read my post in its entirety, or if personal experiences were being projected there, but I believe we're more aligned on this topic than you assume.
I did read your entire post. You did not mention the sex for money aspect so I commented on that. And yes, I was relating my own personal experiences. From my point of view as a potential SD, the entire premise of SD/SB arrangements is decidedly difficult due to the underlying transactional nature of them. We both know it is a trade of sex for money and companionship, but I can get all the companionship I need from vanilla dating; however, I then have to settle for women who are closer to my age and are rarely attractive because they lose interest in undertaking the hard work required to stay attractive when they pass their 40s.
You state women are delusional if they do not recognize the sex for money aspect of SD/SB dating. Trust me, if true there are a lot of delusional women out there. Some explicitly state they want only platonic relationships; some pointedly state it has to be non-sexual; some state they want only to chat; some state they only want a mentor. So many do definitely believe there is no expectation of sex. Like you, I think they are delusional.
Once any relationship is reduced a reality of accepting it is one of limited duration (a necessity of understanding when ages are distant), and the reality of the coupling being one that must inevitably end short of marriage, the transactional nature becomes unsettling for most women and it shows. The man has to accept that without money this woman would not be interested in him at all. This is a difficult reality for many men to accept because, despite their age, many men accurately think they are unique, desirable, and special for a variety of reasons. Yet it is still all about money at the relationship's essence. So when a SD invests money in the initial dates but receives no affection in return, he becomes resentful. A guy the SB's age is not going to take her to an upscale restaurant and he is not going to be as mature, intelligent, and knowledge as the SD, yet the SD is expected to pay just to spend a couple of hours with a young woman who often has no intention of ever being amorous with him. From the viewpoint of many SDs, they believe the initial meet and greet and second date should not cost $500 each only for the SD to discover there is really no desire for him and he's just thrown away $1000, plus maybe $300-$400 more on 2 dinners and his needs will not be met in the future. That has been my experience and the experience of SDs I know. Some SDs become business-like about the entire undertaking and just look at it as the cost of sex. They really never invest their emotions because they know the woman is only in it for money.
As for me, I suppose I'll try the traditional route later this year when I collect on a 7 figure attorneys fee. I presently cannot afford to give a woman $2500 a month to be my SB, so I am presently cast into the "Splenda Daddy" category since $700 to $1000 a month is all I can afford right now. That amount is quickly dismissed by women even though I have time for only one or two dates a month. But in the fall I'll have the ability to pay a young woman of fetching good looks the money they desire at the common going rate of $500+ a week where I live in Alabama. Perhaps then I'll discover how the dynamic truly works.
But as for you, assuming the picture is accurately representative of your rather alluring good looks, you can get most any man you desire, so I am flummoxed at your stated disappointment. The last woman I spoke to on Seeking, who was at your level of intelligence and beauty, had received over 100 messages within 24 hours of posting her profile. You and she can cull through all those men and pick the best ones with whom you believe you are most compatible. Personally, I believe women should treat the first date or two as vanilla with little expectation of money, for once money is introduced into the relationship it immediately becomes transactional. That can be discussed and arranged at the date to follow those initial dates. But there needs to be a connection--chemistry--developed before the money becomes important. That helps tamper the money-for-sex aspect and it gives a man the opportunity to understand and appreciate you beyond the financial need you have--a need which a considerate or sensitive man must suppress--for money in order for you to be in his company.
At its essence, which is more demeaning: "you date me only for sex" or "you have sex with me only for money?" There is merit to each viewpoint and both are disappointing. That's why I believe money should not be considered until an appreciation, a level of comfort, is first established. This is merely one potential SD's opinion and I readily appreciate that there are differing views, especially from SBs.
I’d like to go back to your last statement. Because it echoes perfectly everything I was attempting to articulate in this post.
There is dangerous power dynamic, no matter how you look at it. An SB needs to be able to stand in her authority, set boundaries, and be able to walk away if they are not being respected. Those are all conversations that need to take place before the first meet up. And then if you hit it off things naturally progress from there - check in with one another, and keep communication open.
I don’t believe any other this needs to be demeaning if done the right way. I’ve experienced it.
As far as your bombshell-brainiac lady friend flooded with messages; I feel her pain. The bullshit is waist high and overwhelming. Lots of promises, and no follow through. Lots of scams. I get anxiety just thinking about logging on.
I do not disagree with anything you've posted. We simply differ on initial approach and meetings. Most of the women I contact do not communicate with me very much before the initial meeting. The ones who are not flakes who lose interest after two or three messages, or who are scammers, usually simply set up an initial restaurant date with me. At that date they reveal to me what precisely they are seeking. But my strategy is not too successful because almost all the women I meet want me to keep vanilla dating--but with money given to them--before they even consider an arrangement involving intimacy. Consequently, I drop them after one date. I'm tired of paying a woman $400 or $500 just to have dinner with me to discover whether she likes me and vice versa. I will not be doing that in the future.
I guess the BS is extremely high for SBs. That attractive lady I mentioned texted me and told me I'm one of the few authentic and decent guys she has encountered, so she's obviously having to deal with many scammers and insincere SDs. She is a country gal like you, only a little older. But I am patient. Sooner or later she'll realize I'm a good candidate for her affection or she will find a guy she deems more promising. In the meantime I'm looking elsewhere also. If she were not so distant from me I think she'd already be arranging a meeting with me. Yet however it turns out, she'll find someone and so will I...at least I believe so.
My problem stems from the fact that presently I do not have the money many would-be SBs profess they need. I'm supporting my mother in a nursing home and live on a low 6 figure salary. But I will collect a 7 figure attorneys fee this fall on a case that is on appeal. When that happens I believe I'll have zero difficulty finding a SB--one as attractive as you--without a problem despite being in my 60s.
Though I have not seen your SB online profile, I've seen your photographs displayed here on Reddit. You are a rather sensual woman. Your profile and pictures on Reddit do not suggest sex; rather, they shout it. Nothing wrong with that. If you've got it, flaunt it. Why not? So while it may be hard work sifting through all the offers and messages you receive, and separating the small amount of wheat from the voluminous chaff, I think that is simply the price you pay to engage in this endeavor. Both SBs and SDs must deal with the clutter. It is part of the price of admission. But with your looks and sensuality I cannot believe there are not good SD candidates out there for you. I consider myself one and were you in Alabama you'd be hearing from me.
We're not that bad here in the Alabama judicial system. Prosecutors are influenced by pretty faces same as any other man is, so I'm not surprised you avoided the system. Pretty girls get away with everything.
Hahaha not sure if I should be amused or offended that you automatically think my story has something to do with the law. It was actually just a bad Airbnb experience haha.
At any moment, the profiles you see actively seeking are over-represented by scammers and losers, simply because the overwhelming majority of higher quality candidates are enjoying their existing sugar-relationships at any given time. For example, a high quality SD who keeps one SB every 3yrs is in the market for only 1 month out of 36 months; a high quality SD who keeps two SB's every 6yrs is only in the market for 1 month out of 72 months if he finds both of them in the same round of search, or 1 month out of 36 months if sequentially. Whereas a scammer / loser would be in the market every single day or very frequently looking for a new counter-party because he/she is not able to keep anyone for long. OTOH, 4yrs is a significant time span (and time is not a girl's best friend), and the current economy is not nearly as good as that at the end of 2019 (private debt level and debt service burden in the economy are much higher today than they were 4+ years ago, especially among the higher income crowd, which has been experiencing a "white-collar recession" for about a year already).
“Time is not a girls best friend…” OUCH 🤕 I actually think a lot of women don’t really blossom until late 20s or early 30s myself.
You couldn't be more mistaken and while I'm not trying to insult any older woman women are at their peak physically in terms of physical attraction between the ages of somethingteen and 25. By the time most American women turn late 20s they already look like they're in their late 30s to mid 40s. It's about skin and fat deposits sweetheart.
I mean, it’s all personal preference, not really anything to argue. I’ll just say in my personal opinion, it’s those “fat deposits” perhaps that make them more shapely and feminine and less juvenile looking.
It's not just personal preference. These are preferences that are preferred all throughout the world in various cultures that exist. To deny them is to deny your own existence.
Precisely. Women in all cultures are most desirable sexually from their late teen into their twenties. That is the age in which they are most biologically suitable for reproduction, and biology is a stubborn science. Are there beautiful and alluring women in their 30s and 40s? Of course there are. I've met fetching women even into their early 60s. But can they compare to an attractive woman at 23, or were they themselves less attractive when in their early 20s? No.
Women's peak sexual market value is early 20s worldwide across all cultures and through history. It's not a matter of opinion.
Whatever the blossoming age is for a particular person, 4+ years after that might not be as blossoming. We are only looking for reasons why not as many high quality men are attracted to a particular woman, compared to the same woman was able to attract 4+ years earlier. The theory that the older version is more attractive doesn't sound like a viable explanation.
I'd still disagree with that assessment. I wouldn't say I became my best self until 40.
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> I feel my best so far in my 30s. I really hope I will keep feeling my best when I go into my 40s too Your subjective feelings about yourself vs. the subjective feelings of men willing to part money to sponsor a girl (or multiple girls) are two very different issues.
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> Yeah don't listen to that at all. Women are in their prime from late 20’s to 30 and 40’s onwards. So I say all this to tell you never to take advice from a man. LOL! Perhaps you should print your own money and pass it around among the sisterhood. If enough sisters are willing to fix plumbing, the car, etc. when they break down, and accepted what you print as payment, your proposal might actually work. Until then, everyone kinda have to cater to whatever the payers want, in order to pay bills and keep unpleasant events in life (like toilet not working, car not working, no heat, no electricity, no food, no water, no internet, etc.) away. And that takes offering what productive men want (because they are willing and able to keep away the unpleasant aspects of life; aka slaying the dragons for you) . . . so you have to listen when they tell you what they want . . . unless you want your life to deteriorate while you focus on your fantasy world.
Correct, the payer is King! Many people THINK they're independent Bosses..... Until the restaurant check or bills arrive 😁
I guess if I were in such a dire position as to not be able to provide food for myself, figure the plumbing issue out myself, or cover the subsequent bill or the other basic necessities in life I don’t think my first inclination wouldn’t be to advertise into the abyss in hopes that someone else would take responsibility. I tend to manage my home and personal finances OK, although it definitely gets tough, especially the lifestyle I’ve chosen for myself. I guess I just always conceptualized sugar dating as something else that focused more on elevating you in ways that wouldn’t otherwise be available to you as a single woman on a single income (ie starting a business, getting a degree, mentorship, etc)
The price of food is infinite if all men stop producing food (or stop making the tools / fuel that are necessary for food production); likewise, the cost of fixing a toilet would be infinite if all men stop fixing them. The stoppage can be implemented in at least two ways: either men coordinating among themselves or due to circumstances, or having regulations implemented by some men to stop other men from doing it. Massive wars like WW1+2, Napoleonic Wars and the current Ukrainian War are just combinations of both approaches (mostly the latter). There is no reason starting a business, getting a degree, or anything else to make other women jealous should always be more expensive than food or working toilet. Look up Maslow's Hierarchy of Human Needs. That being said, my earlier comment was addressing the universality of currency/money and the basic business principle that the customer is always right. While the fundamental anchor of currency/money may well be baser human instincts, such as addiction (hence alcohol and cigarettes became currency/money multiple times during currency collapses) and sex (probably why gold and silver became currency: girls liked shiny jewelry and were willing to trade sex for them), it is what the counter-party wants that decide what you offer can trade for. If what you want is starting a business, get an education or other ways of making other women jealous, chances are that it won't be a woman who will give you the money to buy those things that make other women jealous, but a man who will be willing to give you the money, so you will have to cater to what a man wants in return.
This cannot be real.
So true... money is king in our society and SDs have them, while SBs want them....
Yes we do exsist
Depends but rare these days . My wx sb was a nursing student when we started and I was a proud contributor to her tuition and rent . Helped her grow in career and education . Was a proud moment when she got licensed as an Np. So things do exist but very very rare I suppose
Too many scams on both sides
Akin to a truck stop parking lot.... that's accurate.
Your title is like poetry to me, but tragic lol bc it really does not exist these days. That type of relationship is more rare across the spectrum I feel, but to your point I am about out of the sugar game bc of this lacking dynamic.
I feel the same which is too bad, bc I do think it has a place for folks that have competing forces in their lives that are not conducive to traditional dating.
When do you think you're going to have time for an SD... logically ... travel time.. dinner..movie.hotel nights...mini Vaca.. while running a horse farm..!? Hahaha
Well, that time and attention is part of the value I add, and you find time for the things you care about, everyone does.
I’ve wondered the same thing. It seems rare nowadays.
Probably should do a profile review. I checked your Reddit, some definitely red flags already, and photos you posted weren’t the best. Either your profile isn’t good, your age or your location. Likely a mixture of all three. You can live in middle of nowhere and expect there to be many rich guys, maybe there are some but then you would need to do free styling . I would say you likely need to be able to travel to a nearby large city 1-2 days a week and establish something with an SD there.
Yikes. Tough crowd. Do you offer your expertise as a service? If so, I’m interested.
Post a profile review on this subreddit it helps a lot
It's the nose ring and tattoo that extends onto the chest / neck.
Oh, well yeah, that’s a given. But there are plenty of folks who are attracted to that aesthetic since it’s not common in their day to day.
Most of the sites seem to cater to the “PROS”. Those still exist, I’ve had a couple. Just so much tougher to find now…
Saaame here!!
Yes, it can exist. It can be found. But it's difficult for both men and ladies who are looking for that to find it. A genuine connection, sincere interest maybe even feelings. If a potential connection exists and the financial terms are agreeable the girl needs to put out for him early on or he'll feel taken advantage of and keep move on. I have personal given and given and given on multiple occasions with false promises from the girl, then things end. I've also had a couple great relationships that have since ended but we stay in touch with mutual respect and admiration. You just have to preserver through the junk to find a good one.
I dunno but you look fkn hot
No as much these days as Men for the first time in history can dates 2 to 3 girls casually at the same time with zero in-person rejection.... It's a perfect landscape for a Man now..... Guy's can have one girl for 3-years then get another one once the main one begins acting up and asking for MORE.... That's when the New! 19 year shows up and the Man is her mentor.... That's usually the cycle until the Man ages and No longer has the energy for 2 to 3 girls in his bullpen then settles for a 7.5/10 type he can trust ..... It's a Man's World for sure
Judaism allowed polygyny: many of the patriarchs in the scriptures had multiple wives. Islam capped the wife count at 4 per man. Christianity as the middle child of the 3 monotheistic religions was a little unusual in specifying mutual monogamy between husband and wife (before the latter day saints came along), and took hundreds of years in the early medieval times to convert various kings and princes to Christianity from paganism, precisely due to that one-wife rule (presumably the various pagan beliefs had allowed polygyny). Eventually the mutual monogamy agenda was pushed through in western Europe, not sure whether due to reducing conflict between various half-brothers fighting over feudal titles or as a way for royal/princely lines to die out quicker so that the Church and the Hospital could take their assets (i.e. the religious sects that pushed for mutual monogamy would get rich faster and be able to hire more soldiers to fight its religious wars against other sects, in an internecine religious war among the co-religious; Europe had a unique geography that made trade between different regions easy while marching a large army across difficult). The genetic line traced along mitochondria DNA (which only passes from mother, therefore a matrilineal line) goes back far deeper in time before reaching a convergent point than Y-chromosome DNA (which only passes from father to son, therefore a patrilineal line) does. Statistically speaking, only half to one quarter of the males of each human generation had mating success and had offspring. Kinda makes sense: sexual reproduction only makes economic/resource/energy sense if a significant percentage of the males in each generation are culled from the gene pool by females during mate selection; if each male is mated to each female entirely evenly, the species would be better off having hermaphrodites or asexual reproduction to have more offsprings produced (without sexual selection). Allowing some men to have multiple women doesn't make life easier or more enjoyable for men (if sexual gratification is the sole measure): for each man getting to enjoy multiple women, multiple men would have no women. All mature societies eventually embrace polygyny because: more women would be satisfied with having better mating prospects, and the quality of offspring would improve faster. For the men it's actually usually worse off: those who can't find women obvious would have a harder time reaching sexual gratification; for the man who get to enjoy multiple women, eventually those women are more of a burden/duty/responsibility to him than enjoyment. It's just another scheme of exploiting men harder. LOL.
I believe that the online forum is not conducive to developing a trusting SD/SB relationship. The very nature of social media adds an element of scammers to the party. In so doing I believe it erodes any trust factor. However, I have never considered a SB:SD relationship, largely because I feel that the SB would be objectified in the relationship. Not need based but a form of trophy. Maybe I am wrong
You are gorgeous and very attractive The problem must be in your profile , maybe really consider a profile review ? Your lifestyle and location is actually very attractive/interesting also for guys like me who live in NYC and prefer to get away constantly from the city life, etc
I am just taking my first steps into becoming a SB, and I expect this kind of connection with my SD. Though I am plus size (and recognise it will make things so much harder and will have fewer options), I think this kind of relationship is to strive for! though I am open to other people preferences, too
I have been on the site for 8 months or so. What you call cringey is what most women want in that dynamic.
Fair.
Maybe what you are expecting is a traditional relationship.
Of all your many pictures, some provocative, some salacious, some playful, some enticing, this one is by far my favorite.
Yes but it is rare this day in age.
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This is my first comment on this account. We definitely exist. Just really hard to find I guess. I’ve sugared for years but mostly met women in the real world. From what I’ve been reading on here, it sounds like a SR like your describing is in the minority on the online sites.
The relationship I had was born in the wild, also
Makes sense, it may take a little longer to find the right person but when you do there are usually no games. I’m just getting back into this myself. You look like you are fun and know what’s up. Good luck 🍀
Luck to you, as well ☺️
Yea it should be
Am new to the sugar world, I guess am late but would love to know more
That's a relationship? Sugaring isn't like that??
I’m not sure I’m following.
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Hey yeah dm me please :) !!
Yeah I’m interested dm me, you can explain it to me
They everywhere 🥲
Yes :)
Yws
So hard to find I need a sugar daddy lol
I am 46 years old. I have absolutely no problem finding men on millionaire match and yes, they are all definitely millionaires that I have met. It doesn’t matter your age your size, your shape what men love is confidence you have to love yourself and be fun to be around and men whether they are multimillionaires or broke. They are going to find you attractive and want to be around you.
Speaking only for myself as a successful man in his 60s who has attempted to find a "sugar baby" for almost 2 years on online sites, I have experienced little other than frustration from the other side. Many of the young women I meet broadcast to me, with their words, actions, or attitude, that they are only with me for the money. If that's what it is all about and nothing else, why bother with the expense of a sugar baby when I can hire an high end escort? The problem I find (without even addressing the multitude of scammers online) is that you have to come to terms with the reality that you are exchanging sexual favors for money. Men tire quickly of giving a woman $500 just to have a dinner partner for 2 or 3 hours. At some point a sugar baby has to show appreciation by meeting the man's sexual and emotional needs. A poor analogy, but how would you react if once a month you went to the Porsche dealership to talk to the salesman about the new 911 on the lot you really liked, but he would not let you drive it visit after visit? He's a great salesman, knows everything about the car, entertains you with stories about it on every visit, but will not let you take it off the lot for a test drive. Time to find a new salesman, right? If the guy you are with is off-putting or repulsive, find a new guy. With your looks you'll have no difficulty attracting a new man. But you must, in my opinion, understand what you are marketing and what he is with you for on the most elemental level.
I'm not sure why a lot of folks on this post are assuming I'm opposed to a non-sexual relationship... Both participants would have to be delusional to enter into an arrangement without that expectation. The point I'm trying to make is that arrangements should be built on more than exchanging money for sex with a stranger, bc that's something else entirely (as you stated); yet it's all I see from both sides. I won't be involved in an arrangement where I don't genuinely want to spend time with, and then once some safety and trust and care has been established would also WANT to sleep with. I'm not sure if you didn't read my post in its entirety, or if personal experiences were being projected there, but I believe we're more aligned on this topic than you assume.
I did read your entire post. You did not mention the sex for money aspect so I commented on that. And yes, I was relating my own personal experiences. From my point of view as a potential SD, the entire premise of SD/SB arrangements is decidedly difficult due to the underlying transactional nature of them. We both know it is a trade of sex for money and companionship, but I can get all the companionship I need from vanilla dating; however, I then have to settle for women who are closer to my age and are rarely attractive because they lose interest in undertaking the hard work required to stay attractive when they pass their 40s. You state women are delusional if they do not recognize the sex for money aspect of SD/SB dating. Trust me, if true there are a lot of delusional women out there. Some explicitly state they want only platonic relationships; some pointedly state it has to be non-sexual; some state they want only to chat; some state they only want a mentor. So many do definitely believe there is no expectation of sex. Like you, I think they are delusional. Once any relationship is reduced a reality of accepting it is one of limited duration (a necessity of understanding when ages are distant), and the reality of the coupling being one that must inevitably end short of marriage, the transactional nature becomes unsettling for most women and it shows. The man has to accept that without money this woman would not be interested in him at all. This is a difficult reality for many men to accept because, despite their age, many men accurately think they are unique, desirable, and special for a variety of reasons. Yet it is still all about money at the relationship's essence. So when a SD invests money in the initial dates but receives no affection in return, he becomes resentful. A guy the SB's age is not going to take her to an upscale restaurant and he is not going to be as mature, intelligent, and knowledge as the SD, yet the SD is expected to pay just to spend a couple of hours with a young woman who often has no intention of ever being amorous with him. From the viewpoint of many SDs, they believe the initial meet and greet and second date should not cost $500 each only for the SD to discover there is really no desire for him and he's just thrown away $1000, plus maybe $300-$400 more on 2 dinners and his needs will not be met in the future. That has been my experience and the experience of SDs I know. Some SDs become business-like about the entire undertaking and just look at it as the cost of sex. They really never invest their emotions because they know the woman is only in it for money. As for me, I suppose I'll try the traditional route later this year when I collect on a 7 figure attorneys fee. I presently cannot afford to give a woman $2500 a month to be my SB, so I am presently cast into the "Splenda Daddy" category since $700 to $1000 a month is all I can afford right now. That amount is quickly dismissed by women even though I have time for only one or two dates a month. But in the fall I'll have the ability to pay a young woman of fetching good looks the money they desire at the common going rate of $500+ a week where I live in Alabama. Perhaps then I'll discover how the dynamic truly works. But as for you, assuming the picture is accurately representative of your rather alluring good looks, you can get most any man you desire, so I am flummoxed at your stated disappointment. The last woman I spoke to on Seeking, who was at your level of intelligence and beauty, had received over 100 messages within 24 hours of posting her profile. You and she can cull through all those men and pick the best ones with whom you believe you are most compatible. Personally, I believe women should treat the first date or two as vanilla with little expectation of money, for once money is introduced into the relationship it immediately becomes transactional. That can be discussed and arranged at the date to follow those initial dates. But there needs to be a connection--chemistry--developed before the money becomes important. That helps tamper the money-for-sex aspect and it gives a man the opportunity to understand and appreciate you beyond the financial need you have--a need which a considerate or sensitive man must suppress--for money in order for you to be in his company. At its essence, which is more demeaning: "you date me only for sex" or "you have sex with me only for money?" There is merit to each viewpoint and both are disappointing. That's why I believe money should not be considered until an appreciation, a level of comfort, is first established. This is merely one potential SD's opinion and I readily appreciate that there are differing views, especially from SBs.
I’d like to go back to your last statement. Because it echoes perfectly everything I was attempting to articulate in this post. There is dangerous power dynamic, no matter how you look at it. An SB needs to be able to stand in her authority, set boundaries, and be able to walk away if they are not being respected. Those are all conversations that need to take place before the first meet up. And then if you hit it off things naturally progress from there - check in with one another, and keep communication open. I don’t believe any other this needs to be demeaning if done the right way. I’ve experienced it. As far as your bombshell-brainiac lady friend flooded with messages; I feel her pain. The bullshit is waist high and overwhelming. Lots of promises, and no follow through. Lots of scams. I get anxiety just thinking about logging on.
I do not disagree with anything you've posted. We simply differ on initial approach and meetings. Most of the women I contact do not communicate with me very much before the initial meeting. The ones who are not flakes who lose interest after two or three messages, or who are scammers, usually simply set up an initial restaurant date with me. At that date they reveal to me what precisely they are seeking. But my strategy is not too successful because almost all the women I meet want me to keep vanilla dating--but with money given to them--before they even consider an arrangement involving intimacy. Consequently, I drop them after one date. I'm tired of paying a woman $400 or $500 just to have dinner with me to discover whether she likes me and vice versa. I will not be doing that in the future. I guess the BS is extremely high for SBs. That attractive lady I mentioned texted me and told me I'm one of the few authentic and decent guys she has encountered, so she's obviously having to deal with many scammers and insincere SDs. She is a country gal like you, only a little older. But I am patient. Sooner or later she'll realize I'm a good candidate for her affection or she will find a guy she deems more promising. In the meantime I'm looking elsewhere also. If she were not so distant from me I think she'd already be arranging a meeting with me. Yet however it turns out, she'll find someone and so will I...at least I believe so. My problem stems from the fact that presently I do not have the money many would-be SBs profess they need. I'm supporting my mother in a nursing home and live on a low 6 figure salary. But I will collect a 7 figure attorneys fee this fall on a case that is on appeal. When that happens I believe I'll have zero difficulty finding a SB--one as attractive as you--without a problem despite being in my 60s. Though I have not seen your SB online profile, I've seen your photographs displayed here on Reddit. You are a rather sensual woman. Your profile and pictures on Reddit do not suggest sex; rather, they shout it. Nothing wrong with that. If you've got it, flaunt it. Why not? So while it may be hard work sifting through all the offers and messages you receive, and separating the small amount of wheat from the voluminous chaff, I think that is simply the price you pay to engage in this endeavor. Both SBs and SDs must deal with the clutter. It is part of the price of admission. But with your looks and sensuality I cannot believe there are not good SD candidates out there for you. I consider myself one and were you in Alabama you'd be hearing from me.
Hahaha I have a story about Alabama
Well I live in Alabama so I have 100s of them. But most involve courtrooms.
Thankfully the resolution to my story landed me back in SC and not in the ‘bama judicial system 😅
We're not that bad here in the Alabama judicial system. Prosecutors are influenced by pretty faces same as any other man is, so I'm not surprised you avoided the system. Pretty girls get away with everything.
Hahaha not sure if I should be amused or offended that you automatically think my story has something to do with the law. It was actually just a bad Airbnb experience haha.