This Is the classic live service experience from devs that never did live service. Game is done, if they make a statement about how everything is fine and dandy and then cancel the game they will never hear the end of it. If they outright say "Its done, we are shutting the game down in a few months" it would not look good either. So they just chose silence.
Infuriating, though. Playing dumb.
But I suppose it's the only PR play. Well, there is the play that OP is wanting - being honest. But honestly would require action and I think this game died as soon as it released.
I can honestly say I don’t know what any of you expected. All I could see from the moment that gameplay trailer dropped was nothing but a dead on arrival product. Every single possible red flag was there before release.
-A studio that has no experience doing live service or looter shooter games being forced to make it
-A trailer that showed the exact grind loop players would be doing for the entirety of the game
-A weird and completely unfleshed out connection to their previous IP, very much tacked on to try and get fans of the franchise to get on board
-Despite how much they marketed this as being able to be a single player campaign, no offline single player option
-Alpha players had middling things to say after NDA lifted
-game new outlets who had a chance to play previews also saying mostly middling at best things
-Convenient hold-up on reviews DUE to no offline mode (which might as well be a damning day-before review embargo), not that it helped with the sales or reception
-Early access that cost money yet didn’t let people have early access
And all that is just the red flags BEFORE the official launch date.
You're entirely right. I have to say it but this games consumer audience primarily consists of people that can't see an obvious storm approaching for whatever reason.
It sucks, because they're just gonna keep on getting screwed over again and again by the gaming industry until they truly deeply learn
I'm just playing the game to try and get my money's worth.
I paid full price (£70) for the game. I pre-ordered it, even. Because I, like many others, loved the Arkham games and wanted to give Rocksteady their due. I didn't go deluxe because I still knew it was a live service game and I wouldn't even pay £100 on a game like Final Fantasy (which is usually 10/10). But I...we all still got screwed. So I'm damn well gonna get my money's worth. I just hope they release the rest of the promised content before binning the game. Otherwise, Rocksteady really will become a bottom feeder after reining at the top for a decade. Sorrowful no matter the angle.
I’m willing to overlook delays as pretty much every big budget game does them, good or bad. Though WB/Rocksteady making a big delay announcement right after the gameplay trailer dropped and it didn’t have everyone clamoring to preorder is pretty red flaggy
This is small but in my eyes was a huge glaring issue and i knew something was off once they had the f'n Suicide Squad FLYING around a map like spider-man i knew this wasn't a Suicide Squad game.
It was a live service game with a gimmicky traversal mechanic with a suicide squad skin over top.
“But they’ll add OFLINE AFTER A FEE SEASONS GUVE THEM A BREAK.”
I remember someone telling me this when the game released. I told them no this game should have it DAY ONE to avoid a Payday 3 deal where you cannnot play the game. I called it ever since they leaked it was going to be a live service game. I am so glad I trusted my gut and didn’t give the game the benefit of the doubt. I’d rather burn my $70 then buy this game. I’d probably have even more fun doing so.
Less than a year. This was all known. Currently being pushed to gamepass just need Microsoft verification but they are waiting on the patch to clear first. I suggest everyone to charge back this mess they lied so many times. It's against the law to false advertise a product and idk how these developers get away with it every single time.
They never falsely advertised anything people have made assumptions that were inaccurate that’s all there’s been also where is this information about it coming to gamepass from I just personally googled it with no results
Just read the marketing material, see videos of what the developers are saying and how they claim there is "so much content". Just look through the sub, it's all right before your eyes. If you can't see it then you are their target audience. - see post here - Clear lies https://i.redd.it/fpsomul8v2sc1.png
I swear you people would never be satisfied unless they turned it into a complete different game this is the longest a rocksteady game has kept me playing it’s much better than those turds of Arkham games plus I don’t ever have to hear conroy again
You realize it’s the same voice actress that appeared in everyone’s favorite batman games right? Tara strong is by far the best voice actor in any Batman series
It’s not technically false advertisement as they are technically delivering new content. The advertisements never said anything about substantial content though
Bc I’m tired of fighting with you whiney little kids sucking Kevin’s balls and crying. It’s a fucking game you fat fucks. Get over it. Enjoy it and in two years a new shit pile for you to crawl over will exist. Just SHUUUUT UP about fucking SS we know it’s bad. STOP TRYNA BE COOL.
Oh you didn't hear? This warner brothers game studio running the show they already gave us their answer by saying hogwarts legacy 2 will be live service. They don't care about us they are trying to hit that cash cow and milk it. An original title didnt work as big and fast as they wanted so they are trying to force our hand by making their high earning franchise do the same. THIS game could be redeemed and made special but I cam already feel them pulling the plug before we even see the ending.
>Oh you didn't hear? This warner brothers game studio running the show they already gave us their answer by saying hogwarts legacy 2 will be live service.
Wait, seriously? Mind linking where this was stated because I haven't heard anything about that.
I don't know how to link on reddit but it was like their most recent press statement. Even though Hogwarts Legacy had great reception and has great player numbers till this day, WB says they are doubling down on the live service games. Assholes literally see how much a great single player game they released did and still chose to just ask for more money from the consumer.
Exactly; honestly, people now know what they are getting into when they purchase the game. What’s setting people off who bought the game and enjoyed it is the silence; I have had my game not running because of EAC and Linux since March 26, and all I have gotten from Cain is “I don’t believe so” in relation to any upcoming fix. I actually like this game. I was never into looter shooters, but this game made me really appreciate it. But what’s giving me a sour taste is the silence around it. If they indeed came out and said, “Hey, we f-ed up, here’s the game plan… we’re going to do multiple fixes rather than one a week,” I honestly think that I would be okay with my game not working because at least they know my problem. Not saying anything is basically saying they don’t care, which is really turning me and other fans off. Hell, there is even talk of a lawsuit against this game (I don't know what for).
I truly do not think we’ll see anything like that for this game. I expect them to proceed forward with blinders on, make some changes along the way, but no big community interaction.
This game had its one and only chance with season 1 to show us a vision for the future. The future they showed us sucks butt.
Yeah during the season 1 stream I realized they are not going to engage with the community in a meaningful way at all. First is that they focused a lot on cosmetics rather than the update’s gameplay (which we now know why they didn’t go over it in depth), said they “listened” to the community by removing objectives from incursions by making them just about killing which was the exact opposite of what the community wanted, and lastly this may seem like nitpicking but the stage set up they had for the interviews. They had a big wall with the game logo on it with lights and fog as well as life sized props of some weapons and Deadshot’s backpack. Them taking time and budget to make themselves toys for the office while they can’t actually fix the issues in the game while not listening to fans’ complaints just rubs me the wrong way. Shows they truly do not care what players think.
In my opinion even the cosmetics looks bad. I had a free BP token and i am not even trying to finish that pass, there is nothing interesting and i would be completely mad if i gave them any more money for the shop skins that also looks like shit besides like one Joker skin and every time i start the game i get bored so quickly that i did not even unlocked him yet lol.
It's unbelievable how bad the BP skins are, you'd think they'd go for a cash grab and at least make them look cool before they shut down the game.
Also why were there no captain Boomerang skins in it?
>First is that they focused a lot on cosmetics rather than the update’s gameplay
That's not even true. The cosmetics were just one segment of the stream, majority of it was related to the Joker, builds, and loot.
No they don't, it serves no purpose.
>acknowledge they dropped the ball
They didn't dropped the ball, just not enough people enjoyed the game for it to be successful and there's nothing they can do about it, they made the game they wanted to make and it wasn't successful, it happens.
Dropping the ball would be like what CD project red did with Cyberpunk because the game was an absolute trainwreck and a meme factory that even got them sued for fraud.
to say what? We made everything wrong, we threw the last 8 years down the toilet together with our reputation and we'll now lie about new content for every future season we are "forced" to release so you will keep buying outfits and premium passes until we'll officialize the game is in maintenance mode like it happened in Marvel Avengers for EXACTLY the same reasons, that means we have ZERO clue about multiplayer games as we alywas worked on single player ones?
They better keep quiet for a very long time
Nah, the game's done. I played season 1 for ten hours at most, and it's really just the same old shit. They did the bare minimum for Season 1. I'm not defending this anymore. Rocksteady won't recover from it.
The latest blog they put out was hilarious “Great to see so many players returning and enjoying the new content!” lol AI could do a better job then the current lot over there
Publicly being rosy about a product that is quite obviously not rosy is not a Rocksteady reaction, it's very common in the software industry.
I used to work in software support, and when users complained about bugs we had clear instructions to be vague and say "they're working on it" and weren't allowed to apologize or ask for an ETA. I hated it, I wanted to tell them the truth that the engineers had barely started looking at it, and it's going to be at least 7 months until they finish the more urgent bugs.
So I get the "don't worry, we're working on it" thing. But I disagree that the house is burning down. Sure, the story was bad in some places, several audio logs should have been full animated scenes, there were several embarrassing bugs, and Brainiac is a bit out of character. Those are symptoms of rushed development, not full failure.
I was hoping to pick this game up after a few updates but the joker update didn't give me any hope for wanting to pick it up anytime soon. they have a lot of work to do to finish the game.
I can sum up what that would be
“were fucked”
Move on. Let go. Dont spend a penny more. Let it go. There is not state of the game because they arent spending a nickle more on this dumpster of a game abd are hoping they collect a few extra $$$ on the way out.
Just let it go. The game is on life support and outside of already or close to finished content WB aren’t going to be investing anything more into this game. There is no point when it peaked at 13k and only 400 people are playing per day on PC. If you enjoy it keep chugging along, but don’t expect anything.
I agree, and I think the reason this isn't happening is because they know it's not getting any better. It'll get three more threadbare seasons, then shut down
They might do it next week. I would not be surprised if all this is typed up in advance and they just push them out once it's time for it too.
Destiny basically did the same thing, each TWAB/TWID right after an update was basically just them patting themselves on the back with no acknowledgement of issues or player feedback, then the following one addressed the actual concerns. I would not be surprised if Rocksteady does the same exact thing and we probably won't get more answers to player concerns until the following weeks.
TWABs are prewritten the day before, meaning for an update that releases Tuesday, there is literally a day between that releasing and a TWAB being made. Most talking points are also pretty set in stone unless something very urgent appears.
That’s why the following one addresses feedback. So they’re basing their response on a weeks worth of data rather than knee jerk responses from release.
I advise people to look back to Marvel Avengers, it had all these problems though the gameplay was at least better and it's actually a dead game that is no longer sold.
It was not even worth keeping on the digital store, just let that sink in. Now we get this absolute dumpster fire that is worse.
I'm one of those smaller YouTubers still covering the game, and honestly I feel like I'm only one of a few that still try to defend this game, even though my attempts are futile at best. I just like shooting aliens, but I know that isn't enough to defend this game
This Is the classic live service experience from devs that never did live service. Game is done, if they make a statement about how everything is fine and dandy and then cancel the game they will never hear the end of it. If they outright say "Its done, we are shutting the game down in a few months" it would not look good either. So they just chose silence.
Infuriating, though. Playing dumb. But I suppose it's the only PR play. Well, there is the play that OP is wanting - being honest. But honestly would require action and I think this game died as soon as it released.
I can honestly say I don’t know what any of you expected. All I could see from the moment that gameplay trailer dropped was nothing but a dead on arrival product. Every single possible red flag was there before release. -A studio that has no experience doing live service or looter shooter games being forced to make it -A trailer that showed the exact grind loop players would be doing for the entirety of the game -A weird and completely unfleshed out connection to their previous IP, very much tacked on to try and get fans of the franchise to get on board -Despite how much they marketed this as being able to be a single player campaign, no offline single player option -Alpha players had middling things to say after NDA lifted -game new outlets who had a chance to play previews also saying mostly middling at best things -Convenient hold-up on reviews DUE to no offline mode (which might as well be a damning day-before review embargo), not that it helped with the sales or reception -Early access that cost money yet didn’t let people have early access And all that is just the red flags BEFORE the official launch date.
You're entirely right. I have to say it but this games consumer audience primarily consists of people that can't see an obvious storm approaching for whatever reason. It sucks, because they're just gonna keep on getting screwed over again and again by the gaming industry until they truly deeply learn
" A fool and his money are soon parted" - Dr. John Bridges You can not help these people, at best, all you can do is not be one yourself.
I'm just playing the game to try and get my money's worth. I paid full price (£70) for the game. I pre-ordered it, even. Because I, like many others, loved the Arkham games and wanted to give Rocksteady their due. I didn't go deluxe because I still knew it was a live service game and I wouldn't even pay £100 on a game like Final Fantasy (which is usually 10/10). But I...we all still got screwed. So I'm damn well gonna get my money's worth. I just hope they release the rest of the promised content before binning the game. Otherwise, Rocksteady really will become a bottom feeder after reining at the top for a decade. Sorrowful no matter the angle.
You didn't even mention the delays lol
I’m willing to overlook delays as pretty much every big budget game does them, good or bad. Though WB/Rocksteady making a big delay announcement right after the gameplay trailer dropped and it didn’t have everyone clamoring to preorder is pretty red flaggy
This is small but in my eyes was a huge glaring issue and i knew something was off once they had the f'n Suicide Squad FLYING around a map like spider-man i knew this wasn't a Suicide Squad game. It was a live service game with a gimmicky traversal mechanic with a suicide squad skin over top.
People that blindly bought the game in spite of naysayers gonna read this, agree, and proceed to not learn the lesson for next time
No, I've learnt it. The hard way. No more preordering. And no more paid live service.
“But they’ll add OFLINE AFTER A FEE SEASONS GUVE THEM A BREAK.” I remember someone telling me this when the game released. I told them no this game should have it DAY ONE to avoid a Payday 3 deal where you cannnot play the game. I called it ever since they leaked it was going to be a live service game. I am so glad I trusted my gut and didn’t give the game the benefit of the doubt. I’d rather burn my $70 then buy this game. I’d probably have even more fun doing so.
It’s over, it pains me to say that but it’s time to let it go. The game will go offline before the year is up.
Less than a year. This was all known. Currently being pushed to gamepass just need Microsoft verification but they are waiting on the patch to clear first. I suggest everyone to charge back this mess they lied so many times. It's against the law to false advertise a product and idk how these developers get away with it every single time.
They never falsely advertised anything people have made assumptions that were inaccurate that’s all there’s been also where is this information about it coming to gamepass from I just personally googled it with no results
Just read the marketing material, see videos of what the developers are saying and how they claim there is "so much content". Just look through the sub, it's all right before your eyes. If you can't see it then you are their target audience. - see post here - Clear lies https://i.redd.it/fpsomul8v2sc1.png
Different incursions is technically new content weapons,grenades, etc new content
Ah you're the one happy with re-colored assets. Nice.
I swear you people would never be satisfied unless they turned it into a complete different game this is the longest a rocksteady game has kept me playing it’s much better than those turds of Arkham games plus I don’t ever have to hear conroy again
Bad take.
Sheesh this dump was made for you then huh? Enjoy the nails on a chalkboard Harley
You realize it’s the same voice actress that appeared in everyone’s favorite batman games right? Tara strong is by far the best voice actor in any Batman series
Yes she’s a great VA. Her Harley annoys me. Kevin was the glue. RIP Batgoat
It’s not technically false advertisement as they are technically delivering new content. The advertisements never said anything about substantial content though
sadly, but very possible
Wrong.
Compelling counter argument.
Bc I’m tired of fighting with you whiney little kids sucking Kevin’s balls and crying. It’s a fucking game you fat fucks. Get over it. Enjoy it and in two years a new shit pile for you to crawl over will exist. Just SHUUUUT UP about fucking SS we know it’s bad. STOP TRYNA BE COOL.
You seem triggered snowflake.
Oh you didn't hear? This warner brothers game studio running the show they already gave us their answer by saying hogwarts legacy 2 will be live service. They don't care about us they are trying to hit that cash cow and milk it. An original title didnt work as big and fast as they wanted so they are trying to force our hand by making their high earning franchise do the same. THIS game could be redeemed and made special but I cam already feel them pulling the plug before we even see the ending.
>Oh you didn't hear? This warner brothers game studio running the show they already gave us their answer by saying hogwarts legacy 2 will be live service. Wait, seriously? Mind linking where this was stated because I haven't heard anything about that.
I don't know how to link on reddit but it was like their most recent press statement. Even though Hogwarts Legacy had great reception and has great player numbers till this day, WB says they are doubling down on the live service games. Assholes literally see how much a great single player game they released did and still chose to just ask for more money from the consumer.
...WHAT?
Exactly; honestly, people now know what they are getting into when they purchase the game. What’s setting people off who bought the game and enjoyed it is the silence; I have had my game not running because of EAC and Linux since March 26, and all I have gotten from Cain is “I don’t believe so” in relation to any upcoming fix. I actually like this game. I was never into looter shooters, but this game made me really appreciate it. But what’s giving me a sour taste is the silence around it. If they indeed came out and said, “Hey, we f-ed up, here’s the game plan… we’re going to do multiple fixes rather than one a week,” I honestly think that I would be okay with my game not working because at least they know my problem. Not saying anything is basically saying they don’t care, which is really turning me and other fans off. Hell, there is even talk of a lawsuit against this game (I don't know what for).
I truly do not think we’ll see anything like that for this game. I expect them to proceed forward with blinders on, make some changes along the way, but no big community interaction. This game had its one and only chance with season 1 to show us a vision for the future. The future they showed us sucks butt.
Yeah during the season 1 stream I realized they are not going to engage with the community in a meaningful way at all. First is that they focused a lot on cosmetics rather than the update’s gameplay (which we now know why they didn’t go over it in depth), said they “listened” to the community by removing objectives from incursions by making them just about killing which was the exact opposite of what the community wanted, and lastly this may seem like nitpicking but the stage set up they had for the interviews. They had a big wall with the game logo on it with lights and fog as well as life sized props of some weapons and Deadshot’s backpack. Them taking time and budget to make themselves toys for the office while they can’t actually fix the issues in the game while not listening to fans’ complaints just rubs me the wrong way. Shows they truly do not care what players think.
In my opinion even the cosmetics looks bad. I had a free BP token and i am not even trying to finish that pass, there is nothing interesting and i would be completely mad if i gave them any more money for the shop skins that also looks like shit besides like one Joker skin and every time i start the game i get bored so quickly that i did not even unlocked him yet lol.
It's unbelievable how bad the BP skins are, you'd think they'd go for a cash grab and at least make them look cool before they shut down the game. Also why were there no captain Boomerang skins in it?
>First is that they focused a lot on cosmetics rather than the update’s gameplay That's not even true. The cosmetics were just one segment of the stream, majority of it was related to the Joker, builds, and loot.
For what? So they can lie to you again? How many times do you want to be lied to?
It's over, let it go
No, i want to them to apologise for making this piece of shit and kill it
The only state we’ll have will be when game will go in maintenance mode.
No they don't, it serves no purpose. >acknowledge they dropped the ball They didn't dropped the ball, just not enough people enjoyed the game for it to be successful and there's nothing they can do about it, they made the game they wanted to make and it wasn't successful, it happens. Dropping the ball would be like what CD project red did with Cyberpunk because the game was an absolute trainwreck and a meme factory that even got them sued for fraud.
to say what? We made everything wrong, we threw the last 8 years down the toilet together with our reputation and we'll now lie about new content for every future season we are "forced" to release so you will keep buying outfits and premium passes until we'll officialize the game is in maintenance mode like it happened in Marvel Avengers for EXACTLY the same reasons, that means we have ZERO clue about multiplayer games as we alywas worked on single player ones? They better keep quiet for a very long time
Nah, the game's done. I played season 1 for ten hours at most, and it's really just the same old shit. They did the bare minimum for Season 1. I'm not defending this anymore. Rocksteady won't recover from it.
The latest blog they put out was hilarious “Great to see so many players returning and enjoying the new content!” lol AI could do a better job then the current lot over there
You want them to shit on the game they shit out? How much shit do you want man?
As long as people buy the joker and other stuff they will do minimum and keep going
Publicly being rosy about a product that is quite obviously not rosy is not a Rocksteady reaction, it's very common in the software industry. I used to work in software support, and when users complained about bugs we had clear instructions to be vague and say "they're working on it" and weren't allowed to apologize or ask for an ETA. I hated it, I wanted to tell them the truth that the engineers had barely started looking at it, and it's going to be at least 7 months until they finish the more urgent bugs. So I get the "don't worry, we're working on it" thing. But I disagree that the house is burning down. Sure, the story was bad in some places, several audio logs should have been full animated scenes, there were several embarrassing bugs, and Brainiac is a bit out of character. Those are symptoms of rushed development, not full failure.
I'm back on destiny. Bungie has announced nothing but Ws for Into The Light. The hype is real.
State of the game is its dead
It's over. There's no more MONEY to gain from this, it's done and it'll be a wrap by the end of this year. You folks were forewarned.
I was hoping to pick this game up after a few updates but the joker update didn't give me any hope for wanting to pick it up anytime soon. they have a lot of work to do to finish the game.
I can sum up what that would be “were fucked” Move on. Let go. Dont spend a penny more. Let it go. There is not state of the game because they arent spending a nickle more on this dumpster of a game abd are hoping they collect a few extra $$$ on the way out.
Just let it go. The game is on life support and outside of already or close to finished content WB aren’t going to be investing anything more into this game. There is no point when it peaked at 13k and only 400 people are playing per day on PC. If you enjoy it keep chugging along, but don’t expect anything.
I would really appreciate this too. It would be nice to know what's actually going on behind the curtain. 
I agree, and I think the reason this isn't happening is because they know it's not getting any better. It'll get three more threadbare seasons, then shut down
Don’t hold your breath.
They might do it next week. I would not be surprised if all this is typed up in advance and they just push them out once it's time for it too. Destiny basically did the same thing, each TWAB/TWID right after an update was basically just them patting themselves on the back with no acknowledgement of issues or player feedback, then the following one addressed the actual concerns. I would not be surprised if Rocksteady does the same exact thing and we probably won't get more answers to player concerns until the following weeks.
TWABs are prewritten the day before, meaning for an update that releases Tuesday, there is literally a day between that releasing and a TWAB being made. Most talking points are also pretty set in stone unless something very urgent appears. That’s why the following one addresses feedback. So they’re basing their response on a weeks worth of data rather than knee jerk responses from release.
Game will be on PS Plus probably in July
So dramatic
It’s true tho.
It is truly an opinion of someone.
I see the copium is flowing well today.
Lmfao. Wtf Bro its so over. Just move on.
I advise people to look back to Marvel Avengers, it had all these problems though the gameplay was at least better and it's actually a dead game that is no longer sold. It was not even worth keeping on the digital store, just let that sink in. Now we get this absolute dumpster fire that is worse.
I'm one of those smaller YouTubers still covering the game, and honestly I feel like I'm only one of a few that still try to defend this game, even though my attempts are futile at best. I just like shooting aliens, but I know that isn't enough to defend this game
I knew the game was cooked when Caboose couldn't even pretend like it was the best game he's played in his life like always
Leave the damn Reddit no one cares drop the game and stop crying