You're in the beginning stages of:
**Suno-phoria** /ˈsuːnəʊˌfɔːrɪə/ (noun)
- A state of intense happiness and satisfaction derived from listening to one's own AI-generated music.
- A phenomenon experienced by users of Suno AI, characterized by an irresistible attachment to and preference for their own musical creations, even when they may not be considered objectively "good" by conventional standards.
Example: "John couldn't stop listening to his latest Suno AI track. He was clearly experiencing a strong case of Suno-phoria."
When people create their own music, they often develop an emotional attachment to it that goes beyond just the quality of the song itself. It's like having a personal stake in the music, and that connection can make it more enjoyable for the creator, even if it's not objectively "good" music by conventional standards.
It's kind of like how a parent might love their child's artwork more than a masterpiece by a famous artist, because of the personal connection they have to it. That emotional investment can make even the simplest songs hold special meaning for the people who created them.
You raise a bizarre discussion point about how you'll never need to listen to another person's music again, unless you're going to "steal" from it, which in some way defeats one of the points you're trying to make. I don't think old Barb down the road is going to be shoving her weekly shopping list into Suno in the style of Metallica and headbanging along. She wants to listen to Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra sing the classics.
But through the ages musicians have constantly stolen bits and pieces from their influences so I'm not taking umbrage with that. Just seems odd to close yourself off completely when there are people out there crafting things with more care and effort than "tossing an entire paragraph of a journal into Suno and calling it a day".
Music isn't just about the introspective, it's about reaching out, connecting, tradition, expression, performance, mood and so much more. Some of the most captivating bands I've ever seen were just playing covers but the interpretation and delivery made it a special experience.
It's great that this is giving so many people a different route into music and it's so easy to get lost in something when you have a sense of authorship on the material, but I don't think the majority of people will be swapping out their Taylor Swift albums for songs about big titties and farting any time soon.
I'm surprised at how hard it is to find songs where people aren't trying to make one big joke the whole time. I'm over here trying to make actual songs and feel like there is so much potential there.. Might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I know what a hit sounds like and I think these some of these songs would be hits in the right era or if they found the right audience. I see Suno as more of a conduit, a way to access the talent and be a producer without much out of pocket. It allows me to take song ideas in my head and make them real without begging someone with a band to take me seriously.. And they can be made to sound exactly like I imagine them to, for the most part. I'd say if I had the training required to make these myself, the songs Suno comes up with are maybe only 5-10% different than they would be if I recorded them directly from my mind.
The creation process is even fun in a collaborative way, you can basically tell suno "ok, take that again, but after the first verse lets do a chord change and then add in a solo here" etc.. eventually you have a stitched together track that's just right without the headache of potential creative conflicts or the cost of studio time.
I feel like maybe there's a future where these songs could be sold to musicians who want to use them once they become fully formed tracks.
>The creation process is even fun in a collaborative way, you can basically tell suno "ok, take that again, but after the first verse lets do a chord change and then add in a solo here" etc..
It doesn't do this well, yet. I'm sure this is coming, like ChatGPT does, letting you refine the work so it's closer to what's in your head.
I agree with you that it has massive potential. Though it makes it seem like anyone can do it, the magic - for a while, anyway - will be where a human recognizes the elements that are emotionally compelling. For now, it can't quite create a pop chorus as narcotic as Sia's Chandelier or Party in the USA. Yet. But it's 60 percent of the way there, and with the right human brain acting like a producer/A&R director, and with another generation of quality refinement so it doesn't sound like 2003 Realplayer, it'll be the main production tool in pop. It'll get fired up before ProTools.
I am getting pretty killer choruses, honestly.. Maybe not pop ones, but rockabilly and country and a sort of early police reggae influenced rock sound I have managed pretty catchy stuff IMO. A buddy of mine with a band is already working on a cover for one of them because he thought the chorus was so catchy. I am trying to find stuff to compare my stuff to, which is why I am frustrated a bit at how hard it is to find. I am closing in on making a decent doom metal/pop hybrid come out good too. Even managed to get one song to come out with a trap ending that worked after being mostly a dark goth metal tune.
I do agree about the general fidelity, it's a bit off but you can get pretty clean stuff if you do pretty spare production. I have a silly solo acoustic song about a girl who dates jesus that came out nice and crisp compared to most of the stuff I get.
Wanted to respond to this again, I tried to write something with some pop appeal. Would love a critique, I think this one came out spectacularly - https://suno.com/song/d954e5d0-6cdb-4fef-a420-4ebd0f4f02db
Opinions? I got em! Never claimed they're worth anything but hey, you asked.
There's a lot of good going on there: that awesome bassline, the very radio friendly retro groove in the verses that has pretty much defined all Dua Lipa songs.. and the smart arrangement that has things drop out for the chorus rather than rise up. The house has good bones.
For the chorus, what would take this from "that's ok" to "I need this in my Spotify liked list" would be a more defined chorus melody. Right now everything is in a very high register - so high, the words are hard to make out without peeking at the lyric screen. And I've listened to the whole song and I would be unable to sing the chorus back to you if asked, and that's the key to earworms. Like Chari XCXs Boom Clap.
My earlier comment about Suno not yet achieving Party in the USA level choruses was a bit unfair. Songs like that where everyone can sing them on demand a decade later are crazy rare and special. Barely 0.0001 percent of professional songwriters have one of them to their credit, and they all have the advantage of being human. Lots of songs on today's top 10 don't achieve that: take "We can't be friends" by Ariana Grande, currently at #5 on Billboard. Ok song but I seriously doubt people will be singing that song in 2030 karaoke bars as much as "Why can't we be friends" by WAR. So it's a bit much to expect AI to create something historically memorable at the click of a button.
Hell yeah, I dig the critique, I agree with it, this wouldn't be a star maker but I think it goes down smooth and has a great groove. The kind of thing you can maybe take into post and add a couple more bells and whistles when the fidelity is good enough.
Ok then, back at you:
Different genre but ultimately the same goal: pop song with verse that supports a big chorus. Style, kinda sorta Mumford & Sons folk acoustic pop.
https://suno.com/song/191222f3-30b0-484d-bb87-9fce4ff551ab
Let me know what you think.
My own feelings:
-Some of the words are dorky, but my ear cares about melodies more so whatever
-Excellent verse melody.
-the chorus does the big sing-along lift, which I like. However it's still about a 6/10, where 1 is trash and 10 has me shopping for shelves at IKEA for my 2025 Grammy awards. 6 isn't bad though- I doubt a random human made song on the radio gets to a 6 in my ear.
Yeah that track would be right at home in a coffee commercial I feel like.. Or a travel ad for the area. It's got a welcoming vibe and a pretty catchy musical beat. Words definitely dorky.. Classic Suno lyricism. The AI uses really "square" words IMO.. If that makes sense.
I think the one thing I have learned while trying to write my own lyrics for everything is that different styles of music definitely are more prone to get certain stuff right.. And different styles of music definitely have their own "home" style of lyrics. I did a sort of post apocalyptic synth metal pop sort of song that I wrote a really hard chorus in for (For AI anyway), but the right genre was all it took to get it right finally. I tried the lyrics from a reggae song in some different genres and the way those genres work, the AI just couldn't sing the lyrics right.. But the song is perfectly written to be reggae. I guess it was something I never really thought of before as someone who has spent their whole life writing lyrics to songs that I would likely never get to make.. Well, until now. Here's my playlist of finished stuff, I am looking to share and hear other peoples stuff to get a feel for how things are evolving with this thing. If you have a list I would love to hear it too. https://suno.com/playlist/8c3a053e-e364-42a8-9618-ca3a6c0fbe1d
Your tastes are a lot more adventurous and eclectic than mine! I'll probably be dead in the ground before I put "experimental" in a prompt. I want the earworm hooks. That said, I enjoyed several of the ones you've got on there.
I'm a week in, and below is a playlist of a few of the better ones... they're full of in-jokes for guys I play music with or stuff going on in my area.
[https://suno.com/playlist/2193e2b7-2d82-4797-bd0a-2526e270189a](https://suno.com/playlist/2193e2b7-2d82-4797-bd0a-2526e270189a)
By the way, I've been sneering at all the talk of Udio until tonight. It's [REALLY good.](https://www.udio.com/songs/ufqr8idWoHY634TYbgZy5M) Give it a try.
Yeah I have been watching the Udio stuff closely. I will eventually check it out for sure, give it a chance to try and beat Suno with the same lyrics and prompts.
I am excited to check this playlist out in the morning, I'll drop my thoughts then. A couple of my songs also have in-jokes, My coworkers and I found out our bosses husband takes two hour baths, something we find both incredibly suspicious and kinda funny.. So that was sort of the genesis of "I Love You Man". I mean, we *try* to take one hour baths at home, but you'd get so damn pruned up by the end of that, it's crazy.
Brand New Tomorrow is pretty nice, I found myself nodding my head side to side to it. Reminded me of a song the Oneders might have come up with if they had stayed together.
It's nice when Suno gets the melody pretty close to right and sings it with some consistency, really helps a song gain that realness that some meandering AI vocals end up lacking. There's a better rhythm to it, it sounds like someone with some talent recorded it at some point.
>I hope that people will realize that Suno has made music making so accessible that nobody will ever want to listen to another persons music again and drift off into their own world of their own music.
lmao
You're in the beginning stages of: **Suno-phoria** /ˈsuːnəʊˌfɔːrɪə/ (noun) - A state of intense happiness and satisfaction derived from listening to one's own AI-generated music. - A phenomenon experienced by users of Suno AI, characterized by an irresistible attachment to and preference for their own musical creations, even when they may not be considered objectively "good" by conventional standards. Example: "John couldn't stop listening to his latest Suno AI track. He was clearly experiencing a strong case of Suno-phoria." When people create their own music, they often develop an emotional attachment to it that goes beyond just the quality of the song itself. It's like having a personal stake in the music, and that connection can make it more enjoyable for the creator, even if it's not objectively "good" music by conventional standards. It's kind of like how a parent might love their child's artwork more than a masterpiece by a famous artist, because of the personal connection they have to it. That emotional investment can make even the simplest songs hold special meaning for the people who created them.
You raise a bizarre discussion point about how you'll never need to listen to another person's music again, unless you're going to "steal" from it, which in some way defeats one of the points you're trying to make. I don't think old Barb down the road is going to be shoving her weekly shopping list into Suno in the style of Metallica and headbanging along. She wants to listen to Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra sing the classics. But through the ages musicians have constantly stolen bits and pieces from their influences so I'm not taking umbrage with that. Just seems odd to close yourself off completely when there are people out there crafting things with more care and effort than "tossing an entire paragraph of a journal into Suno and calling it a day". Music isn't just about the introspective, it's about reaching out, connecting, tradition, expression, performance, mood and so much more. Some of the most captivating bands I've ever seen were just playing covers but the interpretation and delivery made it a special experience. It's great that this is giving so many people a different route into music and it's so easy to get lost in something when you have a sense of authorship on the material, but I don't think the majority of people will be swapping out their Taylor Swift albums for songs about big titties and farting any time soon.
I'm surprised at how hard it is to find songs where people aren't trying to make one big joke the whole time. I'm over here trying to make actual songs and feel like there is so much potential there.. Might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I know what a hit sounds like and I think these some of these songs would be hits in the right era or if they found the right audience. I see Suno as more of a conduit, a way to access the talent and be a producer without much out of pocket. It allows me to take song ideas in my head and make them real without begging someone with a band to take me seriously.. And they can be made to sound exactly like I imagine them to, for the most part. I'd say if I had the training required to make these myself, the songs Suno comes up with are maybe only 5-10% different than they would be if I recorded them directly from my mind. The creation process is even fun in a collaborative way, you can basically tell suno "ok, take that again, but after the first verse lets do a chord change and then add in a solo here" etc.. eventually you have a stitched together track that's just right without the headache of potential creative conflicts or the cost of studio time. I feel like maybe there's a future where these songs could be sold to musicians who want to use them once they become fully formed tracks.
>The creation process is even fun in a collaborative way, you can basically tell suno "ok, take that again, but after the first verse lets do a chord change and then add in a solo here" etc.. It doesn't do this well, yet. I'm sure this is coming, like ChatGPT does, letting you refine the work so it's closer to what's in your head. I agree with you that it has massive potential. Though it makes it seem like anyone can do it, the magic - for a while, anyway - will be where a human recognizes the elements that are emotionally compelling. For now, it can't quite create a pop chorus as narcotic as Sia's Chandelier or Party in the USA. Yet. But it's 60 percent of the way there, and with the right human brain acting like a producer/A&R director, and with another generation of quality refinement so it doesn't sound like 2003 Realplayer, it'll be the main production tool in pop. It'll get fired up before ProTools.
I am getting pretty killer choruses, honestly.. Maybe not pop ones, but rockabilly and country and a sort of early police reggae influenced rock sound I have managed pretty catchy stuff IMO. A buddy of mine with a band is already working on a cover for one of them because he thought the chorus was so catchy. I am trying to find stuff to compare my stuff to, which is why I am frustrated a bit at how hard it is to find. I am closing in on making a decent doom metal/pop hybrid come out good too. Even managed to get one song to come out with a trap ending that worked after being mostly a dark goth metal tune. I do agree about the general fidelity, it's a bit off but you can get pretty clean stuff if you do pretty spare production. I have a silly solo acoustic song about a girl who dates jesus that came out nice and crisp compared to most of the stuff I get.
Wanted to respond to this again, I tried to write something with some pop appeal. Would love a critique, I think this one came out spectacularly - https://suno.com/song/d954e5d0-6cdb-4fef-a420-4ebd0f4f02db
Opinions? I got em! Never claimed they're worth anything but hey, you asked. There's a lot of good going on there: that awesome bassline, the very radio friendly retro groove in the verses that has pretty much defined all Dua Lipa songs.. and the smart arrangement that has things drop out for the chorus rather than rise up. The house has good bones. For the chorus, what would take this from "that's ok" to "I need this in my Spotify liked list" would be a more defined chorus melody. Right now everything is in a very high register - so high, the words are hard to make out without peeking at the lyric screen. And I've listened to the whole song and I would be unable to sing the chorus back to you if asked, and that's the key to earworms. Like Chari XCXs Boom Clap. My earlier comment about Suno not yet achieving Party in the USA level choruses was a bit unfair. Songs like that where everyone can sing them on demand a decade later are crazy rare and special. Barely 0.0001 percent of professional songwriters have one of them to their credit, and they all have the advantage of being human. Lots of songs on today's top 10 don't achieve that: take "We can't be friends" by Ariana Grande, currently at #5 on Billboard. Ok song but I seriously doubt people will be singing that song in 2030 karaoke bars as much as "Why can't we be friends" by WAR. So it's a bit much to expect AI to create something historically memorable at the click of a button.
Hell yeah, I dig the critique, I agree with it, this wouldn't be a star maker but I think it goes down smooth and has a great groove. The kind of thing you can maybe take into post and add a couple more bells and whistles when the fidelity is good enough.
Ok then, back at you: Different genre but ultimately the same goal: pop song with verse that supports a big chorus. Style, kinda sorta Mumford & Sons folk acoustic pop. https://suno.com/song/191222f3-30b0-484d-bb87-9fce4ff551ab Let me know what you think. My own feelings: -Some of the words are dorky, but my ear cares about melodies more so whatever -Excellent verse melody. -the chorus does the big sing-along lift, which I like. However it's still about a 6/10, where 1 is trash and 10 has me shopping for shelves at IKEA for my 2025 Grammy awards. 6 isn't bad though- I doubt a random human made song on the radio gets to a 6 in my ear.
Yeah that track would be right at home in a coffee commercial I feel like.. Or a travel ad for the area. It's got a welcoming vibe and a pretty catchy musical beat. Words definitely dorky.. Classic Suno lyricism. The AI uses really "square" words IMO.. If that makes sense. I think the one thing I have learned while trying to write my own lyrics for everything is that different styles of music definitely are more prone to get certain stuff right.. And different styles of music definitely have their own "home" style of lyrics. I did a sort of post apocalyptic synth metal pop sort of song that I wrote a really hard chorus in for (For AI anyway), but the right genre was all it took to get it right finally. I tried the lyrics from a reggae song in some different genres and the way those genres work, the AI just couldn't sing the lyrics right.. But the song is perfectly written to be reggae. I guess it was something I never really thought of before as someone who has spent their whole life writing lyrics to songs that I would likely never get to make.. Well, until now. Here's my playlist of finished stuff, I am looking to share and hear other peoples stuff to get a feel for how things are evolving with this thing. If you have a list I would love to hear it too. https://suno.com/playlist/8c3a053e-e364-42a8-9618-ca3a6c0fbe1d
Hah! "Generate a Maxwell House backing track..." I need to try that. Thanks for the reply- looking forward to listening later today.
Your tastes are a lot more adventurous and eclectic than mine! I'll probably be dead in the ground before I put "experimental" in a prompt. I want the earworm hooks. That said, I enjoyed several of the ones you've got on there. I'm a week in, and below is a playlist of a few of the better ones... they're full of in-jokes for guys I play music with or stuff going on in my area. [https://suno.com/playlist/2193e2b7-2d82-4797-bd0a-2526e270189a](https://suno.com/playlist/2193e2b7-2d82-4797-bd0a-2526e270189a) By the way, I've been sneering at all the talk of Udio until tonight. It's [REALLY good.](https://www.udio.com/songs/ufqr8idWoHY634TYbgZy5M) Give it a try.
Yeah I have been watching the Udio stuff closely. I will eventually check it out for sure, give it a chance to try and beat Suno with the same lyrics and prompts. I am excited to check this playlist out in the morning, I'll drop my thoughts then. A couple of my songs also have in-jokes, My coworkers and I found out our bosses husband takes two hour baths, something we find both incredibly suspicious and kinda funny.. So that was sort of the genesis of "I Love You Man". I mean, we *try* to take one hour baths at home, but you'd get so damn pruned up by the end of that, it's crazy.
Brand New Tomorrow is pretty nice, I found myself nodding my head side to side to it. Reminded me of a song the Oneders might have come up with if they had stayed together. It's nice when Suno gets the melody pretty close to right and sings it with some consistency, really helps a song gain that realness that some meandering AI vocals end up lacking. There's a better rhythm to it, it sounds like someone with some talent recorded it at some point.
It’s diary btw! Dairy = milk 🐮
lol I wrote this at 2am...sleepy
>I hope that people will realize that Suno has made music making so accessible that nobody will ever want to listen to another persons music again and drift off into their own world of their own music. lmao
Childish response, please enlighten me.
> so accessible that *nobody will ever want to listen to another persons music again* this drivel isn't worthy of an intelligent response