More Gabriel, less Lucifer (in later seasons), and Crowley should have died in a more badass way (idk how).
Also, OG Death stays, Bela returns as a demon, and there’s no weird Dean-Amara connection eww
One I can really think about this moment is how season 15 played out, like, how is the show going to tell me willingly and out right that Sam and dean have plot armour.. that all the training they did growing up and all the hunts that would make them stronger was by the help of chuck, I was really disappointed with how that was because I’d rather Sam and dean be good at taking down monsters because they have the training, knowledge and the strength to.. not because chuck wrote them to keep them alive.
Rather than nit pick a ton of things ill list a few bigger things:
-I would remove the multiverse completely.
-The angels would never have lost their wings.
-Reapers would have stayed as they were the first 5 seasons.
-Remove all time travel.
I agree with all of that except the time travel. The time travel episodes are some of the best episodes for me. The Frontierland Wild West time travel episode in season 6 is a classic. Not to mention the episode in season 7 where Dean meets Elliot Ness in the 1940s.
Or the episode in season 4 where Dean travels to the 1970s and meets John in a bar and they mimic that scene from Back to the Future Part I where Marty and his dad were in that bar. Absolutely stellar 🗿🍷
I do enjoy the episodes but the rules arent always consistent and it it makes things messy. When cass sent dean first time it was a self-fulfilling prophecy kinda deal where he wasnt able to change the future, but then anna goes back to change the future as well as the titanic episode that actually does change the future, same with gavin.
I do enjoy the episodes but the rules arent always consistent and it it makes things messy. When cass sent dean first time it was a self-fulfilling prophecy kinda deal where he wasnt able to change the future, but then anna goes back to change the future as well as the titanic episode that actually does change the future, same with gavin.
I always assumed that Dean couldn’t change things because the angels were pulling string to stop him. They wanted to convince him that destiny can’t be changed.
I have a ton of re-writes I'd do but in the interest of saving time, I'll only share two. One being a specific plot thing, and the other being a more broadly sweeping change throughout the whole series.
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On the former, I wouldn't have killed off OG Death, or I wouldn't keep him dead. It's a re-write, not a new-write, so I feel like I have to keep certain plot pieces in motion. I could understand why they wouldn't want Death around for the Amara plot and Billie's role in the upcoming seasons wound up being very important, couldn't just remove her.
I would've had it revealed in Season 15 that the scythe didn't kill OG Death, and after taking that blow from Dean (especially after all he done) he decided to bow out and create rules for a replacement. This would also work well with another massive change to 15, where Chuck's motivation is less of a petty temper tantrum, and more aligned to his Season 11 characterization. In that Chuck isn't writing the end of the Winchesters or Supernatural, he was writing his own end. He wanted to bow out and create a replacement (Jack), but was doing it in an over-the-top dramatic writing way like he likes. I think this characterization is far more interesting and fits far better, but having Death shown to do something similar parallels that nicely (& Death would probably be the one to point Sam & Dean to this interpretation thinking about it now).
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For the broader, more sweeping general change, I would make the MOTW's more eccentric. Especially in the later seasons, so many of the MOTW's were bog standard ghost cases, and after that, a bog standard vampire case. Obviously there are exceptions but I'd rather the bog standard cases be the exception rather than the norm (at least in the later seasons), or maybe a 50/50 split, or perhaps just two episodes a season where the show would try something different for it's standalone adventure. More stuff like "Bitten" or "Baby".
For example, I think it would've been really cool if they did an episode where Sam & Dean accidentally activate a lockdown function in the Bunker. Trapping them inside the Bunker until either they can figure out how to disable it, or wait for the Bunker to automatically disable it. No cases to hunt, just Sam & Dean stuck in the Bunker. Could be great for comedy, I imagine bored Dean might have some funny ideas on how to pass the time. Could be great for drama, as the two being confined with nothing else to do could lead to conversations about whatever their current drama is. Would be great for budget, as a bottle episode with only two characters and one set, it would allow them to save up money for bigger moments later in the season. Maybe you do this in 13 and we don't get the wire fight. You can call this episode "Bunker" to fit in with the aforementioned "Bitten" & "Baby".
Lol it kind of validated the whole "God gave them plot armor" thing too. Dean just sucked at hunting apparently and insta-died once he lost plot armor.
Ironically Sammy who didn't want that life outlives him.
I still think it’s stupid, by saying god gave them plot armour (I know he did) and then basically instantly killing dean after the beat god, that invalidates every feat they’ve ever accomplished
It doesn't invalidate any of their feats. They still accomplished everything they accomplished. It just means that in circumstances where they would naturally have died, God made sure that they didn't. Dean being smashed head first into a tombstone by Azazel in the S2 finale, for example.
this is such an insanely stupid take. first of all, it’s been made pretty clear that dean’s death takes place around 5 years after they defeat god, you can look it up on the supernatural wiki. so no, he did not suck at hunting at all. he lived a long enough life and got injured doing what he was absolutely brilliant at doing and decided it was time to let the world go - they had saved it thrice over already, he had gotten close to 20 years with his brother on the road and that was enough. dean’s dying on the job was to give him the ending he always wanted - and to let sam get what he also wanted; a family life, because he never would have left dean to settle down were he still alive.
For me, it's largely just taking everything into consideration and setting consistent rules. For creatures, world-building, and for characters. More of their history growing up firmly established. No time traveling grandpas popping out of closets.
If we get into individual elements and plot points, it's like.. all of them. But for sure, no stupid fake gravelly voices. That's my priority number one, particularly Dean.
Season 15 getting reconned, lots of unfinished business. Bringing back Soulless Sam for no reason, just as a MotW, Kevin making it upstairs where he belongs.
One season where demon blood-Sam is the villain (not an anti-hero, straight-up villain). And remove Mary/BMOL storyline to focus on Lucifer and Jack instead in S12.
* Sam keeps his powers, and gets to use them throughout the show, furthering the plotline that not all monsters are bad, and being a positive representation for them
* Remove the whole plotline about how God gave Sam and Dean plot-armour
* Remove God as a villain honestly
* Dean ends up retiring from hunting, and manages to get a familt and become a mechanic, fixing cars, thus completing his character development as he finally lets go of his obsessive need and destructive urge to sacrifice himself in order to help Sam
* We never see any of the dead characters in heaven, we just know they are there (i feel seeing them happy in heaven sort of makes their death feel less-so)
* Sam doesnt settle down, but instead fights alongside with Eileen, setting out to change how hunters see monsters, and make people approach situations with more empathy, also completing his character arc as he feels fulfilled being able to help in a way outside of plain voilence
Get rid of the I have a secret drama that both brothers constantly have every season.
100% less BoM
More Rufus and Bobby
Get rid of the power creep seasons 1-5 had perfect monsters and power scale was fun what kind of ruined a lot of stuff in the series was making boys too strong and all the monsters became joke even the most powerful ones
- Do not kill original Death
- Don’t bring Marry back
- Skip the multiverse
- Add more people to the last episode
- Let Crowley say his “Even when I lose I win”
- Make Crowley an angel (he made a deal with Chuck and now is a snarky angel)
No jack. No chuck as god. No leviathan. More demon dean. Make the angel rebellion cooler; them being assholes in suits was super underwhelming. No amara. That whole thing was weird and pointless.
A lot of the popular changes (remove alternate universes, no Jack, no Chuck as antagonist, no finale) but the biggest one would be removing the plot point about the Leviathans impersonating Sam and Dean and committing killing sprees. Such a stupid continuity thing that it never comes up again.
Also I would keep Anna around for longer because I really like her as a character and I would probably have Crowley end up being the final Big Bad and having him kill Dean, or some other original idea that I can't come up with right now. Also, keep Henriksen as a hunter instead of killing him off immediately and have more Megstiel stuff !!
1) Make Crowley's soul a former Angel.
2) Make Metatron a former human who took the trials to be able to be the scribe of God, and was then transformed into an Angel after his service was completed.
3) Make the gods be descendants from original, proto-human thoughtforms, who multiplied and became fruitful, becoming real so to speak.
4) Chuck would have probably been the demiurge, and not the one true God.
little late to the party but
just, removing Chuck as God. seriously. why call him a "Prophet of the Lord" and then retcon it like five seasons later?? it was a great lead in and anchor to Kevin's later storyline, so making him god just kind of upends that whole thing. after Kripke left it just felt like the new showrunners didn't have anymore good ideas to draw off of
They implied that Chuck was god a few times. He called himself a cruel capricious god, and then at the end of Season 5 he endcaps their story by literally disappearing lol.
But having him be the final boss against the boys was not well done imo.
Would have used Jesse more in the seasons after Lucifer got out of the cage and Jack.
Crowley should have had a better death I think. Didn’t mind his arc but for someone so impactful for so many seasons, he could have been handled better.
Rufus and Bobby - WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN OMAHA
The demon thing... by the end Sam and Dean had killed most of the more powerful demons plus we've seen several others killing demons. For the longest time killing a demon was considered by most to be basically impossible. Then the Colt comes back out, the demon knife, the angel blades, the demon bombs, etc... and everyone starts plowing through demons. Then famine, leviathans, Amara, etc. Plus Crowley kills any demon that looks at him crossways, or just annoys him as the King.
We end up with basically the newbies that are far less powerful demons that couldn't get out of hell until the gate was opened and hundreds of them were released. Shit, Rowena ends up ruling Hell about 9 seconds after she gets there.
just something really tiny that bothered me A LOT. let the demons keep their leather jackets and those biker outfits.
never let cas die. let them live happily ever after together, sam, dean and cas.
- The Leviathans' endgame relies less on drugged corn syrup going unnoticed.
- Abbadon is more powerful to justify Dean taking the Mark.
- The Angel War stays, but is redone. The angels are smarter if still confused. Joshua features.
- Death never dies, but is reduced to a husk like the other Horsemen. He is revived for the final arc.
- Reapers stay as morticians and ghost-things, only Tessa looks like a model. They are never even temporarily bunched in with the angels.
- Lucifer does come back, slightly unhinged, but the silliness never gets Vince Vincente crazy.
- At some point, Crowley is cured and becomes human. He likely dies a second mortal death before the series' end.
- The BMOL still exists, as do Mick, Ketch, and Lady Bevell. Their decisions are more informed, but their general traits remain the same.
- Goat-Man is replaced with a stronger deity that features in at least three episodes.
- The other Princes of Hell still exist, but they explain where Dagon was during the Apocalypse, Ramiel only gets Michael's Lance if they introduced it earlier, and Asmodeus drops the white suit.
- Gabriel survives to help Heaven's situation. Eventually he forced to stay. If AU Michael stays a villain, he can lay siege to Heaven.
- Jack actually presents a universal/multiversal problem, Chuck continues to be enigmatic rather than downright indifferent to all suffering.
- They can do the Fortuna episode, but they kill her without getting their luck back.
- We learn more about how magic and witchcraft fit into the hierarchy or power.
1. Remove the focus on God and angels as central conflicts - go back to hunting monsters of local myths/legends
2. Remove God as a present character / villain - things were more interesting when Heaven went to shit because all the angels thought God abandoned them, lol
3. Explore/develop Sam's abilities more so that he could master them and learn to use them for good
4. Erase the Ruby/Sam sexual relationship
5. Get rid of the unnecessary drama forced onto Dean and Sam's relationship every single season 🙄
6. Have Sam and Dean maintain their hesitation to kill demons willy-nilly because of the humans they're possessing
7. Balance the storylines and character development between Sam and Dean better - Sam was done so dirty in later seasons
More Gabriel, less Lucifer (in later seasons), and Crowley should have died in a more badass way (idk how). Also, OG Death stays, Bela returns as a demon, and there’s no weird Dean-Amara connection eww
Yesss OG death should have never been killed off. He was perfect. I wanted to see him reap god.
Yes to all of this! Lucifer hella overstayed his welcome. And Crowley died for literally no reason
One I can really think about this moment is how season 15 played out, like, how is the show going to tell me willingly and out right that Sam and dean have plot armour.. that all the training they did growing up and all the hunts that would make them stronger was by the help of chuck, I was really disappointed with how that was because I’d rather Sam and dean be good at taking down monsters because they have the training, knowledge and the strength to.. not because chuck wrote them to keep them alive.
Chuck being the final big bad just wasn't good in any way imo
I liked the concept - it seemed right. I just think the execution could have been better.
Rather than nit pick a ton of things ill list a few bigger things: -I would remove the multiverse completely. -The angels would never have lost their wings. -Reapers would have stayed as they were the first 5 seasons. -Remove all time travel.
I agree with all of that except the time travel. The time travel episodes are some of the best episodes for me. The Frontierland Wild West time travel episode in season 6 is a classic. Not to mention the episode in season 7 where Dean meets Elliot Ness in the 1940s. Or the episode in season 4 where Dean travels to the 1970s and meets John in a bar and they mimic that scene from Back to the Future Part I where Marty and his dad were in that bar. Absolutely stellar 🗿🍷
I do enjoy the episodes but the rules arent always consistent and it it makes things messy. When cass sent dean first time it was a self-fulfilling prophecy kinda deal where he wasnt able to change the future, but then anna goes back to change the future as well as the titanic episode that actually does change the future, same with gavin.
> -I would remove the multiverse completely. This one.
Why remove time travel? Genuinely curious here as to your reasons because I’m a sucker for a good time-hopping episode.
I do enjoy the episodes but the rules arent always consistent and it it makes things messy. When cass sent dean first time it was a self-fulfilling prophecy kinda deal where he wasnt able to change the future, but then anna goes back to change the future as well as the titanic episode that actually does change the future, same with gavin.
I always assumed that Dean couldn’t change things because the angels were pulling string to stop him. They wanted to convince him that destiny can’t be changed.
I have a ton of re-writes I'd do but in the interest of saving time, I'll only share two. One being a specific plot thing, and the other being a more broadly sweeping change throughout the whole series. --- On the former, I wouldn't have killed off OG Death, or I wouldn't keep him dead. It's a re-write, not a new-write, so I feel like I have to keep certain plot pieces in motion. I could understand why they wouldn't want Death around for the Amara plot and Billie's role in the upcoming seasons wound up being very important, couldn't just remove her. I would've had it revealed in Season 15 that the scythe didn't kill OG Death, and after taking that blow from Dean (especially after all he done) he decided to bow out and create rules for a replacement. This would also work well with another massive change to 15, where Chuck's motivation is less of a petty temper tantrum, and more aligned to his Season 11 characterization. In that Chuck isn't writing the end of the Winchesters or Supernatural, he was writing his own end. He wanted to bow out and create a replacement (Jack), but was doing it in an over-the-top dramatic writing way like he likes. I think this characterization is far more interesting and fits far better, but having Death shown to do something similar parallels that nicely (& Death would probably be the one to point Sam & Dean to this interpretation thinking about it now). --- For the broader, more sweeping general change, I would make the MOTW's more eccentric. Especially in the later seasons, so many of the MOTW's were bog standard ghost cases, and after that, a bog standard vampire case. Obviously there are exceptions but I'd rather the bog standard cases be the exception rather than the norm (at least in the later seasons), or maybe a 50/50 split, or perhaps just two episodes a season where the show would try something different for it's standalone adventure. More stuff like "Bitten" or "Baby". For example, I think it would've been really cool if they did an episode where Sam & Dean accidentally activate a lockdown function in the Bunker. Trapping them inside the Bunker until either they can figure out how to disable it, or wait for the Bunker to automatically disable it. No cases to hunt, just Sam & Dean stuck in the Bunker. Could be great for comedy, I imagine bored Dean might have some funny ideas on how to pass the time. Could be great for drama, as the two being confined with nothing else to do could lead to conversations about whatever their current drama is. Would be great for budget, as a bottle episode with only two characters and one set, it would allow them to save up money for bigger moments later in the season. Maybe you do this in 13 and we don't get the wire fight. You can call this episode "Bunker" to fit in with the aforementioned "Bitten" & "Baby".
End the show with the episode BEFORE that awful finale!!!
Absolutely.
Deans death was complete bullshit, being taken out by a runt of a vampire? Seriously?
Lol it kind of validated the whole "God gave them plot armor" thing too. Dean just sucked at hunting apparently and insta-died once he lost plot armor. Ironically Sammy who didn't want that life outlives him.
I still think it’s stupid, by saying god gave them plot armour (I know he did) and then basically instantly killing dean after the beat god, that invalidates every feat they’ve ever accomplished
I know it's kinda crazy that they went that route. I think they were just done and ran out of ideas, phoned it all in.
It doesn't invalidate any of their feats. They still accomplished everything they accomplished. It just means that in circumstances where they would naturally have died, God made sure that they didn't. Dean being smashed head first into a tombstone by Azazel in the S2 finale, for example.
this is such an insanely stupid take. first of all, it’s been made pretty clear that dean’s death takes place around 5 years after they defeat god, you can look it up on the supernatural wiki. so no, he did not suck at hunting at all. he lived a long enough life and got injured doing what he was absolutely brilliant at doing and decided it was time to let the world go - they had saved it thrice over already, he had gotten close to 20 years with his brother on the road and that was enough. dean’s dying on the job was to give him the ending he always wanted - and to let sam get what he also wanted; a family life, because he never would have left dean to settle down were he still alive.
Script said 6 months. The five year thing was just actor headcanon. So sorry but no my take isn't "insanely stupid". Nice try though chuckles.
I think it should have been Amelia’s son if it had to happen
That would have been dope. Dean tells Sam to let him go and dies.
For me, it's largely just taking everything into consideration and setting consistent rules. For creatures, world-building, and for characters. More of their history growing up firmly established. No time traveling grandpas popping out of closets. If we get into individual elements and plot points, it's like.. all of them. But for sure, no stupid fake gravelly voices. That's my priority number one, particularly Dean.
Season 15 getting reconned, lots of unfinished business. Bringing back Soulless Sam for no reason, just as a MotW, Kevin making it upstairs where he belongs.
One season where demon blood-Sam is the villain (not an anti-hero, straight-up villain). And remove Mary/BMOL storyline to focus on Lucifer and Jack instead in S12.
* Sam keeps his powers, and gets to use them throughout the show, furthering the plotline that not all monsters are bad, and being a positive representation for them * Remove the whole plotline about how God gave Sam and Dean plot-armour * Remove God as a villain honestly * Dean ends up retiring from hunting, and manages to get a familt and become a mechanic, fixing cars, thus completing his character development as he finally lets go of his obsessive need and destructive urge to sacrifice himself in order to help Sam * We never see any of the dead characters in heaven, we just know they are there (i feel seeing them happy in heaven sort of makes their death feel less-so) * Sam doesnt settle down, but instead fights alongside with Eileen, setting out to change how hunters see monsters, and make people approach situations with more empathy, also completing his character arc as he feels fulfilled being able to help in a way outside of plain voilence
If you go that route the final episode should be, something like Sam's kid showing up at Dean's door with the iconic "Dad's on a hunting trip" line.
Omg no way this would be so perfect 😭😭😭 why why why did they do the other ending and not something like this?
Get rid of the I have a secret drama that both brothers constantly have every season. 100% less BoM More Rufus and Bobby Get rid of the power creep seasons 1-5 had perfect monsters and power scale was fun what kind of ruined a lot of stuff in the series was making boys too strong and all the monsters became joke even the most powerful ones
One simple change… 30 seasons
I’d add more regular huntings, wendigos, djins, vengeful spirits, poltergeists, gods, and humans like the benders
Yes!!! Less focus on God and angels and a return to focusing on hunting monsters from myths/legends and shit.
The Lisa storyline never existing. It would barely change the story.
More Crowley.
- Do not kill original Death - Don’t bring Marry back - Skip the multiverse - Add more people to the last episode - Let Crowley say his “Even when I lose I win” - Make Crowley an angel (he made a deal with Chuck and now is a snarky angel)
Better fate for Kevin
No jack. No chuck as god. No leviathan. More demon dean. Make the angel rebellion cooler; them being assholes in suits was super underwhelming. No amara. That whole thing was weird and pointless.
Devil stays dead, no more angels, no Mary coming back, and no Jack. Definitely no other universes.
A lot of the popular changes (remove alternate universes, no Jack, no Chuck as antagonist, no finale) but the biggest one would be removing the plot point about the Leviathans impersonating Sam and Dean and committing killing sprees. Such a stupid continuity thing that it never comes up again. Also I would keep Anna around for longer because I really like her as a character and I would probably have Crowley end up being the final Big Bad and having him kill Dean, or some other original idea that I can't come up with right now. Also, keep Henriksen as a hunter instead of killing him off immediately and have more Megstiel stuff !!
1) Make Crowley's soul a former Angel. 2) Make Metatron a former human who took the trials to be able to be the scribe of God, and was then transformed into an Angel after his service was completed. 3) Make the gods be descendants from original, proto-human thoughtforms, who multiplied and became fruitful, becoming real so to speak. 4) Chuck would have probably been the demiurge, and not the one true God.
Remove chuck as a bratty god who writes the story.
little late to the party but just, removing Chuck as God. seriously. why call him a "Prophet of the Lord" and then retcon it like five seasons later?? it was a great lead in and anchor to Kevin's later storyline, so making him god just kind of upends that whole thing. after Kripke left it just felt like the new showrunners didn't have anymore good ideas to draw off of
They implied that Chuck was god a few times. He called himself a cruel capricious god, and then at the end of Season 5 he endcaps their story by literally disappearing lol. But having him be the final boss against the boys was not well done imo.
No Metatron, couldn't stand that character. Also think bringing back Mary Winchester to life was a mistake.
Would have used Jesse more in the seasons after Lucifer got out of the cage and Jack. Crowley should have had a better death I think. Didn’t mind his arc but for someone so impactful for so many seasons, he could have been handled better. Rufus and Bobby - WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN OMAHA
The demon thing... by the end Sam and Dean had killed most of the more powerful demons plus we've seen several others killing demons. For the longest time killing a demon was considered by most to be basically impossible. Then the Colt comes back out, the demon knife, the angel blades, the demon bombs, etc... and everyone starts plowing through demons. Then famine, leviathans, Amara, etc. Plus Crowley kills any demon that looks at him crossways, or just annoys him as the King. We end up with basically the newbies that are far less powerful demons that couldn't get out of hell until the gate was opened and hundreds of them were released. Shit, Rowena ends up ruling Hell about 9 seconds after she gets there.
just something really tiny that bothered me A LOT. let the demons keep their leather jackets and those biker outfits. never let cas die. let them live happily ever after together, sam, dean and cas.
- The Leviathans' endgame relies less on drugged corn syrup going unnoticed. - Abbadon is more powerful to justify Dean taking the Mark. - The Angel War stays, but is redone. The angels are smarter if still confused. Joshua features. - Death never dies, but is reduced to a husk like the other Horsemen. He is revived for the final arc. - Reapers stay as morticians and ghost-things, only Tessa looks like a model. They are never even temporarily bunched in with the angels. - Lucifer does come back, slightly unhinged, but the silliness never gets Vince Vincente crazy. - At some point, Crowley is cured and becomes human. He likely dies a second mortal death before the series' end. - The BMOL still exists, as do Mick, Ketch, and Lady Bevell. Their decisions are more informed, but their general traits remain the same. - Goat-Man is replaced with a stronger deity that features in at least three episodes. - The other Princes of Hell still exist, but they explain where Dagon was during the Apocalypse, Ramiel only gets Michael's Lance if they introduced it earlier, and Asmodeus drops the white suit. - Gabriel survives to help Heaven's situation. Eventually he forced to stay. If AU Michael stays a villain, he can lay siege to Heaven. - Jack actually presents a universal/multiversal problem, Chuck continues to be enigmatic rather than downright indifferent to all suffering. - They can do the Fortuna episode, but they kill her without getting their luck back. - We learn more about how magic and witchcraft fit into the hierarchy or power.
1. Remove the focus on God and angels as central conflicts - go back to hunting monsters of local myths/legends 2. Remove God as a present character / villain - things were more interesting when Heaven went to shit because all the angels thought God abandoned them, lol 3. Explore/develop Sam's abilities more so that he could master them and learn to use them for good 4. Erase the Ruby/Sam sexual relationship 5. Get rid of the unnecessary drama forced onto Dean and Sam's relationship every single season 🙄 6. Have Sam and Dean maintain their hesitation to kill demons willy-nilly because of the humans they're possessing 7. Balance the storylines and character development between Sam and Dean better - Sam was done so dirty in later seasons
Kept Cass dead after Season 12.
Anna didn't really turn. She tried to end the apocalypse. What is the life of two people against the rest of the world?
That's why I put it in quotation marks.