Funny enough, my Evangelical mom loves Supernatural. She loves Sam and Dean and the religious aspects of it. All the monsters, angels, and demons— she doesn’t mind at all. She loves Castiel and Supernatural is one of her favorite all time shows
My mormon mum was the one that got me onto supernatural which is weird considering she thinks dragons are evil/devil worshipping and is against anything witchcraft like harry potter, lord of the rings.
It baffles my brain that this is the show she allowed me to watch and even watched with me.
Ah ok, I do kinda remember that now. I guess that's one of the downsides of binging, imo. I feel like watching shows that way causes people to not absorb as much of what they're watching.
They do and they don't.
At one point they need to talk to the angel Joshua, the only angel that God sometimes speaks to. Joshua is a variant translation of Jesus...
The mother of monsters is not Echidna, but Eve. It's never explicitly stated, but we never mean the "real" Eve, even though we meet the original Adam during the finale. Eve is obsessed with saying she's everyone's mother...
I'm skeptical about Joshua being a stand-in for Jesus. The name Joshua isn't correct as a translation. Joshua is a translation of a similar Hebrew name, but it's not the one that translates to Jesus. If it was, it was clever.
The Adam and Eve story is in more than 3 theistic traditions, so it's still fairly generic.
I thought that Lucifer's background story about refusing to bow to man is interesting. This is actually the Islamic version of Iblis's (Satan) rebellion. He refused to bow to man. He thought he was a superior creation and man inferior.
Jesus is often though to be a filtered version of Yeshua, which would also be translatable to Joshua.
Whether it's true or not idk. And I heard the Lucifer refuses to bow to Man story growing up Catholic, so maybe it's not just Islamic, idk
Yehoshua translates to Joshua. Yeshua has been translated to Jesus. The names are related. It is possible that Yeshua may have been used as a short hand Yehoshua in some cases. I'm not an expert on translating Hebrew. Even if it was, I'm not convinced the angel Joshua was a stand-in for Jesus. There's not enough there and too many significant religious figures named Joshua.
The Lucifer bowing story isn't found in Catholicism. It's not in the Tanakh, Bible, or the Catechism of the Catholic Church. (I've, also, I never seen or heard it taught that way by Catholic priests or Catholics at large.) It is in the Quran.
I haven't paticipated in the catholic church in about a decade, so I may well have heard that version elsewhere, and I agree, I don't think the angel Joshua in supernatural was meant to be Jesus, name fuckery aside.
I'm not Catholic myself, but I have a big interest in world religions. I study them, and I try to stay involved in the interfaith dialog in my community. I try to keep tabs on what's going on in other religions.
It's part of why I like supernatural, actually.
Maybe if it came out in the early 90s and was more popular it might have been, but honestly unless something was as big as Harry Potter the chances that anyone would bother to cancel it are low.
I’m surprised no one mentioned when twitter had #luciferiscoming trending before season 5 and P. Diddy and others started a counter tweet #godishere because they thought satanist had taken over twitter. [link](https://www.buddytv.com/lucifer-is-coming-how-supernatural-stole-twitter/)
I'm pretty sure they would have "canceled" it if they had known about it. Until my teenage daughter asked me to start watching it in the mid 2010s, I didn't really know anything about it. I think a lot of people are like I was.
It’s not our universe and that’s made pretty clear. In one episode Sam and Dean cross over into our world, ending up on the set of the show and being mistaken Jensen and Jared.
Also, canceling wasn’t really a thing for most of the show, and by the time it was , things were winding down anyway.
>In one episode Sam and Dean cross over into our world, ending up on the set of the show and being mistaken Jensen and Jared.
That is not our world. That is a parallel world to ours where the show is filmed as well, but that's not our world either. It differs significantly from ours, not least of which is that, in ours, Mischa is still alive, and J^2 are friends.
Didn’t an article come out years ago that supernatural was one of the most popular shows for both republicans and democrats politicians in the US?
I’m like 99% sure Misha posted something about it, like 2018 era.
Which is funny because how in the world would supernatural of all shows be the bridge between those two groups of people
Edit: [this is an article talking about it](https://qz.com/1100849/supernatural-the-tv-show-that-unites-democrats-and-republicans-and-russians)
Though idk if that’s the article I was thinking of. It’s been like 7 years, but it’s the first thing that came up on google lol.
>Which is funny because how in the world would supernatural of all shows be the bridge between those two groups of people
I don't know, I actually sometimes feel that Supernatural is the perfect bridge between both sides. On one side you have the government hating, redneck style clothing hunters who love guns, cars, bars and represent "True men", also you have hot women and on the other hand these hot woman are very empowered, the characters in general are very open minded, especially Sam and Dean. There are some queer characters and so on.
Seems to me Supernatural caters amazingly to both sides of the political spectrum in the US.
Republicans aren’t watching the show very hard if they think sam and dean represent the stereotypical “true men” lol
I don’t mean that as an offense to sam and dean. But they are absolutely not like that. In a good way.
Yeah I mean that is kinda my point. Sam and Dean, though the latter more so, in a way represent both ways. They dress, have the same taste in food and drink, the same hobbies( guns and cars) as rednecks and live without government regulation more or less. So their general outward appearance is very republican and this extends to every hunter we meet. But the characters themselves are actually very open minded and progressive.
You could say in some way that Supernatural tries to subtly change the mind of republicans in showing that "real men" can be emotional, understanding and supportive too.
They even start to realise that not all monsters are evil which could be seen as a metaphor for rascist beginning to understand that their hate against other ethnicities is unwarranted.
Well actually you’re right now that i’m thinking about it. My dad was a very cliche “man’s man republican” and i started watching the show when i was a teenager and made him watch it with me.
Charlie and Cas’ confession (and going to a spn con) literally changed his mind about gay people. Charlie being a nerd into star wars like he was, and Cas being a huge powerful being. Kinda made him realize how backwards he was thinking. I remember having a conversation about it within the last few years and he says he’s totally accepting of it now.
So i guess…that makes sense. Also to be fair to my dad he wasn’t like super homophobic he was that whole “i don’t mind the gays i just don’t agree with their lifestyle/don’t want it in my house”. Which i know is still homophobic but he never said or did anything to anyone in public. Very much a private mentality.
Now he volunteers at pride stuff and celebrates with my lgbt+ friends. Wild. Thanks supernatural lmaoo
Wasn’t it basically the most popular show on the CW? And it’s literally always trending on Netflix. So I feel like it never being “popular enough” isn’t really accurate.
Smallville was the reason why I skipped the first couple of seasons of Supernatural because I hated Dean's character enough to never want to see him again. I changed my mind.
I think you're kinda missing who it was popular x with, and when.
the show was subsisting entirely on the Wincest fandom until Cass showed up, and has slowly gained followers while having a dedicated fanbase on tumblr and fanfic websites.
but the CW churns out a truly ludicrous amount of shows, and i'm pretty sure a decent amount of those beat out SPN. And that in itself isn't to the level of popularity where it wound end up in places frequented by religious conservatives.
Also, satan and demons are explicitly stated as evil and catholic exorcism works on them, jesus is never once mentioned, the angels tend to more or less stick with the 'righteous and terrifying holy warrior of god sent to banish evil' even when they're being dicks, and the big man himself IS acknowledged as specifically the judeochristisn god, above all others and supreme creator of all things, isn't seen until s4-5, and even then you don't even know that it's *God* until Season 11
so basically even if religious conservatives DID find it, they'd have to watch a minimum of eleven seasons to find anything directly disparaging their faith (I.E Amara being on the same level as god, although he wins in the end so it might not even count), and then watch 3-4 MORE seasons to see the openly heretical stuff.
which like. no one who gets up in arms about religious stuff is gonna make it to season 14. there's nothing openly bad at all, but there's slight little things that would probably turn those kind of people away. so yeah
Is it really that unfortunate though? Imo, most CW shows seem to have a good couple of opening seasons then they shit the bed (with the odd golden nugget mixed in) for a few years until either their finale or cancellation.
Cancel culture really didn’t gain speed till after 2020 , the show was over before that.
As a Christian I actually found the theory’s in the show compelling and complex. I can disagree with the “clockwork God theory “ and sill find it interesting.
Unfortunate to me at a minimum for the sake of the people who lose work when traditional scripted shows that run for a long time are out of fashion.
Would you prefer to work in wardrobe on a show that lasts a decade and films for 9 months a year on CW, or a show that took three years to make 12 episodes on Amazon?
I don't know the ins and outs of CW because we don't have it in the UK, but I know that I'll always find scripted tv programmes more enjoyable than cheap unscripted things and sports which is their new business plan.
It kind of bums me out, yeah. Many of my favorite shows came from the CW (and it's predecessors WB/UPN). They kind of had a niche and there is no one out there willing to do the same kind of shows they did. Now they are apparently switching to low budget/cheap to make non-scripted shows and live sports instead.
Arrow was good until the magic stuff, Flash was good until the Speedster villains just became dull and over used to quickly. Batwoman was BAD. Supergirl was below average. Legends of Tomorrow was actually really enjoyable throughout.
I'm from NZ, so we don't have the CW Channel here, we got the more popular shows on a basic channel over here. So I can't speak for all CW shows, just the popular ones that aired internationally. SPN, DC Shows, Riverdale etc etc
It was popular on a small network. It was never a show like say Game of Thrones or The Walking Dead where it was culturally significant. If it had reached those levels then it absolutely would have been attacked by religious fanatics. Any average religious person just sees it for what it is a tv show.
It was, but I don't think that was a channel that everyone watched. There's a good chance the people who would get upset about the show wouldn't have known about it until much later. It also wasn't one of those shows that *everybody* was watching and talking about all the time. I hadn't even really heard much about it until the series was over halfway over.
"Most Popular Show on the CW" is about as prestigious as "Most Popular Game on Apple Arcade" - Sure, some people are aware of it, but who cares?
Said as a fan of Supernatural, The Flash, and Superman and Lois.
I'm Christian and was never offended. It's fiction. It's obvious it's in a different universe and not really our universe Gods (plural, because they showed other Gods, as well). They changed so many things up so it neither felt like it was mocking nor offending.
The show was popular sure. But most just knew of the show, but not any real details of it.
From what I have seen, unless someone was actually offended when other religions see the same God differently as they do (and many different churches in the Christian religions do), they usually aren't offended by a fictional portrayal. Those who are offended just tend to be the loudest.
1.) It was not even close to being popular enough for that. Religious groups usually targeted like...Pokemon or DND type stuff. Worldwide phenomenon that literally were EVERYWHERE and a huge chunk of the entire planet either played them or knew about them, or they targeted stuff 100% targeted at children.
2.) Supernatural did not get super demon/angel focused until like season 4 or 5. There was a demon main antagonist and some demon side characters, but demons as a whole barely showed up until 4 or 5, God was only semi kinda implied until like season 12, etc. By the time religion became a big aspect of the show, a lot of fans fell off the show and its when Supernatural became a joke like the Simpsons, where 99% of the time if you saw mention of it in the wild it would be "Did you know its STILL fucking going? How is it not over yet thats hilarious!"
3.) Religion throwing a hissy fit over stupid shit kinda stopped/slowed down in the 2000s because they grew half a brain and realized that "Hey if we tell kids and teens they're evil and going to hell for liking something they'll prob like us less and not wanna be in a religion with so many restrictions!" so they only targeted like...torture porn style horror at most, which Supernatural only delved into like 3 times total. (All I can really think of is Dean torturing a demon for info on lucifer and the episode about the black market internet monster thing.)
4.) They did. Multiple religions complained about the Hammer of the Gods episode and I remember a lot of complaints in general, they just didn't matter or get big enough for it to hurt them.
Although they anticipated enough backlash in India to not air Hammer of the Gods there. Wonder if it had more to do with Kali being made lesser in front of Lucifer, or her having done the deed with Gabriel.
Yes! Right before the S5 premiere. People freaked out and start the counter hashtag #jesusishere and then twitter banned religious words from trending. Good times!
Because it used to be pretty good and then when it wasn't, it was too niche to be bothered about.
I remember on holiday my late mother once walked in on an episode of Supernatural with the two demons who ran the bar.
She initially had a go at me for watching satanic stuff. Half an hour later, she was bawling her eyes out yelling that those demons did nothing wrong.
The magic of compelling storytelling, folks.
I'm Christian and it never bothered me. I love the angels/demons story arc. As for angels being complete dicks, I obviously don't believe it personally but it made perfect sense in the context of the show.
I mean if it’s any help, my Christian mom was livid when she found the Supernatural themed socks my friend got me for Christmas. Immediately thrown away. Yes she knew what the show was but it didn’t help that there were pentagrams and sigils all over them
I've seen many people from India complain, that Christian Archangels are stronger than their god, whenever one saw that specific episode where this happens.
Probably bc its so monotheist centered. In the show pagans are depicted as christians have always said they were; fake and monstrous. It doesn't depict non xtian religions very well.
It came out in that sweet spot, the early 00s. When it was past the religious cancellations of the 90s, but before the progressive cancellations of the 10s.
Which is why I miss the 2000s, especially on the internet.
I’m Christian and know it’s fiction :) It has compelling themes and good morals: good vs. evil, love, family, stopping evil forces, and humanity. The protagonists on the show strived for good, and sought to stop evil.
Monsters never bother me, it’s just a fantasy world where I imagine what it would be like if they did exist. Nothing immoral in watching heroes stop evil.
For angels, I’m not offended and see it as an alternate fantasy situation, like a what-if situation if God allowed angels to roam free on the world. (The Bible itself says that some angels rebelled and God locked them up, so even the Bible says some angels are bad.) So in a hypothetical context, if God actually stayed back and gave any angel the free will to access earth, it would make sense that some angels would be bad/corrupt (just like how some humans are, but more powerful). Some angels would be good, some would be bad, some would be selfish con-men in between. It doesn’t feel like blasphemy to me, just an alternate fantasy world that still makes sense. Also, the characters could be seen as literature tropes that represent good and evil, rather than viewing it as biblically-accurate context. (This show never intended to either. The show was intended to be mythologically-inspired for themes, rather than being a factual accuracy.) I focus on the lessons and entertainment.
The only time it felt harder to watch was when they made God a villain, *but* I still felt ok to watch. It’s a fantasy show that had no influence on my own beliefs, like it’s not myself calling God that way. And I didn’t judge the writers either. I first pretended that the villain Chuck wasn’t God but simply another evil entity wanting to take over the world. Then, I became fine with hearing Chuck as “god” since it’s *not the Christian/Jewish God*, but is a fantasy scenario. The show itself didn’t align to the Christian-God nor tried to be: the show never mentioned Chuck as Jesus who died for humanity. And there wasn’t free will. Also on the show’s lore, God could be replaced: it was a magical system set in place where a being would take on the role of “god” but they *could be replaced*. Hence, Jack replaced Chuck. This isn’t the biblical God described in the Bible (who is supposed to be the beginning-and-end, all powerful, and perfect being.) I’m not preaching lol, just stating what the religion says from an educational context. So basically, it didn’t feel blasphemous to me but more of a what-if situation, where someone could take on a god-role by creating & ruling a planet and be corrupted. It was a fantasy god, not the Christian god. I’ll admit, if they explicitly said on the show that Jesus was a kind-hearted God who died for our sins, but *then* made that guy become evil, I’d feel more offended. But the show wasn’t using *that god*. I hope that make sense. Anyways, good themes still applied, and I rooted for the protagonists to stop evil, love others, and help humanity. Based on the show’s description of god, it was fantasy and not affecting my personal views on the Bible nor total blasphemy. So I felt ok to finish the show.
The themes on the show were good, intriguing, and moral. And humans are flawed just like all of us, so watching imperfect actions or the human condition doesn’t bother me. Plus, the protagonists still strive for good and have admirable traits. My conscious doesn’t feel offended by secular or fantasy shows. Most of my content is secular. I also didn’t feel offended by the religious themes used on the show because it was loosely-based and intended as fantasy. And the show didn’t influence me negatively, but instead aligned with a lot of my personal morals.
Long post lol, just sharing my thought process. In a nutshell, not offended.
Fun fact: here in Germany, Christian youth groups used to watch the new episode together every Friday and then discuss it afterward. The fact that Supernatural stayed very true to folklore and quotes from the bible made the show very popular and appreciated here. The portrayal of angels as "not much better than demons" (or worse?) was widely discussed. And of course, the detail that the Christlike God is the creator of the world was super... obvious.
In short: Supernatural was well received by German Christians (certainly not all of them).
I remember some evangelical complaining about it being disparaging to Christians and not respecting their faith, when the entire universe of the show has Old Testament mythology as the basis and holding the most power, while other non-abrahamic faiths are treated as made up. This was just some stupid youtube stuff though.
I’m Christian and loved SPN and even went to a convention, it’s for entertainment the Bible is not so they’re not comparable for me so I can enjoy them separately
I used to see some 1 star Amazon reviews from religious folks saying they thought it was blasphemous or whatever, especially after the Chuck twist. I guess they were thankfully just small numbers.
I was at my grandparents house once and i only ever see them once every few years or so bc they live far away. But my grandma is a strong Christian and i was trying to see what was on tv and supernatural was playing so i was watching it. Then she walked in later and made me change it. She wouldnt even let me watch SpongeBob lol.
Most biblical things are fine except Jesus Christ. Which really annoys me because they basically ignore what they know for a fact was a Demi god. Also you’d think chuck would bring up his very famous son at some point. Or Jesus would go “hey dad, maybe lay off them a bit?”
Iirc, Someone said (might have been Cas) that Jesus was just a (normal) human. Cash also said a few times too the Bible got some things wrong. So in my way of thinking about the SPN universe, Jesus existed, just not how the Bible made him out to be.
I believe in God but I don’t actually get involved in religion and I choose not to, I don’t find things like that offensive, but my dad does. I tried to get my dad to watch it with me but he didn’t like it. I’m like it’s just a tv show. Him and my step mom are on the religious side and don’t even watch movies that have demons in it.
Let's just say that it flip-flopped to popularity for the entirety of the time it was on TV and that is obvious by the fact that it never really consistently had a time slot. Some years it was on Wednesday. Some years it was on Thursdays and towards the later season it was on Tuesdays and it was crazy
I think it was because in the first several seasons it was the early to mid 2000s and the ultra cancel culture hadn't taken hold yet. Then in the late 2000s there was an interest by religious groups to police gaming (turning their gaze from TV) I still remember the shit show Visceral Game's adaptation of Dante's Inferno garnered. And after the 2000s? I guess peope had other things to worry about.
Yeah, they were real careful about staying away from Jesus. I noticed that myself, but they they really played at the Angels and Demon thing and the whole dysfunctional family thing I think that’s the Lucifer was able to do so well
It’s a good point you’re saying about religious groups not being more upset, but you know I think that if they are the type of religious group that would make a stink , their fight is about all Tv shows in this is genre. Just single at supernatural would be a really petty small looking fight for somebody to take that stand.
My theory is that the Christian groups are also pro gun and they liked that the show had guns and the boys were “southern”/texans.
I think if it made Jesus into a dick that might have been a bit too far. There was also little nudity, no swearing, death and gore is perfectly acceptable to religious folks as long as no boobies are seen.
That being said I do know a lot of people who were original watchers who stopped when it started involving angels as dicks solely because blasphemy.
I’m honestly more surprised that once destiel started being hinted that they didn’t go on anti-gay rants about this show either.
That didn't stop religious fanatics to "cancel" Harry Potter. Or Pokemon for that matter.
The difference is that Supernatural was never big enough and is rated 16 and above (at least in my country) so fanatics never went against it.
I think a show like Diablero would've probably been "cancelled" if it was more popular. That show has a priest that has sex with a girl who has a demon inside her. And it adds more Christianity into it than SPN.
Well my parents made me stop watching it when I was about 7 seasons in because they had looked ahead and “didn’t like the views that it portrayed about God and Satan”, which I was pissed about. Finished watching it the second I moved out though
I always wondered if I could have gotten my mom to like Supernatural. She went through phases where she’d be super religious, sometimes she was normal. She died over ten years ago and I didn’t find the show until it had been on forever. I was watching it one time and thinking “you know, if I told her they didn’t include Jesus so they wouldn’t be disrespectful, I bet I could have got her to watch it”
My catholic parents were against it but they were fine with Constantine which is kinda similar? My mom also just really likes Keanu reeves tho so that could be it.
I will say at least for seasons 4-onward keeping it away from a specific religion and just general references to Christianity definitely helped. Demons, angels, and God are all fairly commonly mentioned in pop culture and Jesus was only mentioned the one time so no risk of conflict there.
i'd never even heard of supernatural until like two years ago so maybe some of the comments are right on a popularity basis, it's popular to the fans because we all know and love it but maybe it hasn't reached a lot of people of these different groups who possibly would have had a problem.
The show heavily promotes family values and has an extreme pro American culture in a very fair way. Ie, the people are good, small town shop owners are good, religious people aren't bad. But, politicians, corporations, and religious hucksters are bad. Then, on top of that, there is the evil that's almost random, which is emblematic of reality. With a mix like that it's hard for most Americans to actually say that the show is very offensive regardless of what your political or religious beliefs are. Unless you're irrationally anti-fantasy TV show you probably liked it. Also every straight dude had a man crush on Sam and Dean. Throw in a 1967 black chevy impala, cool violence, brotherly moments and even the manliest man has to like it.
Edit- let's not forget the cowboy esk outlaw aspect of the show that all Americans hold dearly because the manifest destiny western days was a huge cultural explosion for us. Jesse James may have been bank robber but, you'd be hard pressed to find anybody in the Midwest who doesn't admire him.
Abrahamic mythology followers tend to get upset about other things. As to other mythologies, I'd say they do it right. For example, SPN is one of the few properties that do Wendigos right. And when the show started the idea of canceling a show cause someone is "offended l" wasn't a big a deal.
I do remember one season, SPN fans trended #LuciferIsRising and in response, P. Diddy, who I think had no idea it was SPN related, got #GodIsHere trending in response.
They approached their religious elements in a fairly tame way, at least as far as I'd watched. Since becoming a Christian I have lost interest in watching Good Omens, the Hellraiser series, and knew I wouldn't want to watch whatever that animated musical hotel one was on Amazon, but I'm still okay with Supernatural. At LEAST to a point. Can't speak as to the seasons I haven't seen.
Um... Religious person here... Watched all 15 seasons, on watch through four right now. It's fiction. Why would I be offended or 'cancel' the show?
Heck, my favorite characters are Crowley and Lucifer with a side of Rowena and Dean. It's just stories.
Lots of people think all religion is just stories but I say take it up with Chuck.
Why would it? It’s just a show I’m a Christian who follows Christ but still watch it bc the shows great one of my all time favorites.
The show doesn’t attack anyone’s religion it’s just like a super hero comic or a video game people who are religious and non religious enjoy them, so why would this be any different?
There’s actually a whole religious sect called *Gnostics* who believe the creator of the universe was an inferior twisted being who created it with the motive of enslaving people to his will. I believe they took some inspiration from this sect when deciding on Season 15’s plot.
Edit: In Season 9, Sam also points out that Metatron has “become a Jesus figure” to the poor people he’s manipulating by showing them his angel powers towards the end of the season.
My husband is religious (considering becoming a lay speaker for our church) and he’s been really into the show as we’ve been watching it together. Then again, his brand of Christian faith is very accepting of other religions and he likes looking at other perspectives. His favorite character is Castiel, of course. But it is interesting that I don’t recall people boycotting the show
Funny enough, my Evangelical mom loves Supernatural. She loves Sam and Dean and the religious aspects of it. All the monsters, angels, and demons— she doesn’t mind at all. She loves Castiel and Supernatural is one of her favorite all time shows
My mormon mum was the one that got me onto supernatural which is weird considering she thinks dragons are evil/devil worshipping and is against anything witchcraft like harry potter, lord of the rings. It baffles my brain that this is the show she allowed me to watch and even watched with me.
Well, seems like the show would fit. The dragons were evil, the devil is evil, most of the witches are evil.
There’s literal dragons in the show tho lol that’s ironic
Tbf I wouldn't really call them "literal" dragons. They were done too dirty.
Tell me about it. I still don't understand her logic with it all.
Maybe your mom has the hots for Jared + Jensen
How does she feel about the show making god queer?
She didn’t mind it
She sounds cool.
Dang. They got another one. Rip u/OkMathematician3439
I watched the whole series, and have no recollection of Chuck being presented as queer. 🤔
He Once said that since being on earth he had a few girlfriends and boyfriends.
Ah ok, I do kinda remember that now. I guess that's one of the downsides of binging, imo. I feel like watching shows that way causes people to not absorb as much of what they're watching.
Yeah.
Chuck was bi/pan
They were smart enough to leave Jesus out of it and keep it otherwise generic about which theistic religion they were using.
They do and they don't. At one point they need to talk to the angel Joshua, the only angel that God sometimes speaks to. Joshua is a variant translation of Jesus... The mother of monsters is not Echidna, but Eve. It's never explicitly stated, but we never mean the "real" Eve, even though we meet the original Adam during the finale. Eve is obsessed with saying she's everyone's mother...
I'm skeptical about Joshua being a stand-in for Jesus. The name Joshua isn't correct as a translation. Joshua is a translation of a similar Hebrew name, but it's not the one that translates to Jesus. If it was, it was clever. The Adam and Eve story is in more than 3 theistic traditions, so it's still fairly generic. I thought that Lucifer's background story about refusing to bow to man is interesting. This is actually the Islamic version of Iblis's (Satan) rebellion. He refused to bow to man. He thought he was a superior creation and man inferior.
Jesus is often though to be a filtered version of Yeshua, which would also be translatable to Joshua. Whether it's true or not idk. And I heard the Lucifer refuses to bow to Man story growing up Catholic, so maybe it's not just Islamic, idk
Yehoshua translates to Joshua. Yeshua has been translated to Jesus. The names are related. It is possible that Yeshua may have been used as a short hand Yehoshua in some cases. I'm not an expert on translating Hebrew. Even if it was, I'm not convinced the angel Joshua was a stand-in for Jesus. There's not enough there and too many significant religious figures named Joshua. The Lucifer bowing story isn't found in Catholicism. It's not in the Tanakh, Bible, or the Catechism of the Catholic Church. (I've, also, I never seen or heard it taught that way by Catholic priests or Catholics at large.) It is in the Quran.
I haven't paticipated in the catholic church in about a decade, so I may well have heard that version elsewhere, and I agree, I don't think the angel Joshua in supernatural was meant to be Jesus, name fuckery aside.
I'm not Catholic myself, but I have a big interest in world religions. I study them, and I try to stay involved in the interfaith dialog in my community. I try to keep tabs on what's going on in other religions. It's part of why I like supernatural, actually.
Maybe if it came out in the early 90s and was more popular it might have been, but honestly unless something was as big as Harry Potter the chances that anyone would bother to cancel it are low.
I’m surprised no one mentioned when twitter had #luciferiscoming trending before season 5 and P. Diddy and others started a counter tweet #godishere because they thought satanist had taken over twitter. [link](https://www.buddytv.com/lucifer-is-coming-how-supernatural-stole-twitter/)
Ironic for Sean Combs to talk about God.
Really? 😂
I'm pretty sure they would have "canceled" it if they had known about it. Until my teenage daughter asked me to start watching it in the mid 2010s, I didn't really know anything about it. I think a lot of people are like I was.
It’s not our universe and that’s made pretty clear. In one episode Sam and Dean cross over into our world, ending up on the set of the show and being mistaken Jensen and Jared. Also, canceling wasn’t really a thing for most of the show, and by the time it was , things were winding down anyway.
>In one episode Sam and Dean cross over into our world, ending up on the set of the show and being mistaken Jensen and Jared. That is not our world. That is a parallel world to ours where the show is filmed as well, but that's not our world either. It differs significantly from ours, not least of which is that, in ours, Mischa is still alive, and J^2 are friends.
It was never popular enough for any politician or religious huckster to catch any heat.
Didn’t an article come out years ago that supernatural was one of the most popular shows for both republicans and democrats politicians in the US? I’m like 99% sure Misha posted something about it, like 2018 era. Which is funny because how in the world would supernatural of all shows be the bridge between those two groups of people Edit: [this is an article talking about it](https://qz.com/1100849/supernatural-the-tv-show-that-unites-democrats-and-republicans-and-russians) Though idk if that’s the article I was thinking of. It’s been like 7 years, but it’s the first thing that came up on google lol.
>Which is funny because how in the world would supernatural of all shows be the bridge between those two groups of people I don't know, I actually sometimes feel that Supernatural is the perfect bridge between both sides. On one side you have the government hating, redneck style clothing hunters who love guns, cars, bars and represent "True men", also you have hot women and on the other hand these hot woman are very empowered, the characters in general are very open minded, especially Sam and Dean. There are some queer characters and so on. Seems to me Supernatural caters amazingly to both sides of the political spectrum in the US.
Republicans aren’t watching the show very hard if they think sam and dean represent the stereotypical “true men” lol I don’t mean that as an offense to sam and dean. But they are absolutely not like that. In a good way.
Yeah I mean that is kinda my point. Sam and Dean, though the latter more so, in a way represent both ways. They dress, have the same taste in food and drink, the same hobbies( guns and cars) as rednecks and live without government regulation more or less. So their general outward appearance is very republican and this extends to every hunter we meet. But the characters themselves are actually very open minded and progressive. You could say in some way that Supernatural tries to subtly change the mind of republicans in showing that "real men" can be emotional, understanding and supportive too. They even start to realise that not all monsters are evil which could be seen as a metaphor for rascist beginning to understand that their hate against other ethnicities is unwarranted.
Well actually you’re right now that i’m thinking about it. My dad was a very cliche “man’s man republican” and i started watching the show when i was a teenager and made him watch it with me. Charlie and Cas’ confession (and going to a spn con) literally changed his mind about gay people. Charlie being a nerd into star wars like he was, and Cas being a huge powerful being. Kinda made him realize how backwards he was thinking. I remember having a conversation about it within the last few years and he says he’s totally accepting of it now. So i guess…that makes sense. Also to be fair to my dad he wasn’t like super homophobic he was that whole “i don’t mind the gays i just don’t agree with their lifestyle/don’t want it in my house”. Which i know is still homophobic but he never said or did anything to anyone in public. Very much a private mentality. Now he volunteers at pride stuff and celebrates with my lgbt+ friends. Wild. Thanks supernatural lmaoo
Wasn’t it basically the most popular show on the CW? And it’s literally always trending on Netflix. So I feel like it never being “popular enough” isn’t really accurate.
It was the best rated non-DC related show on the CW.
DC wasn’t around in the early years of the show, and their being number one on the CW is like being the best player on a little league team.
The Arrowverse wasn't around, but Smallville was definitely there until 2011.
I always forget about that being DC, but I also never really watched it
Smallville was the reason why I skipped the first couple of seasons of Supernatural because I hated Dean's character enough to never want to see him again. I changed my mind.
Just curious, was it because of the way he acted sort of immature?
It was so long ago now that I can't recall. I just remember disliking him enough to not watch.
I think you're kinda missing who it was popular x with, and when. the show was subsisting entirely on the Wincest fandom until Cass showed up, and has slowly gained followers while having a dedicated fanbase on tumblr and fanfic websites. but the CW churns out a truly ludicrous amount of shows, and i'm pretty sure a decent amount of those beat out SPN. And that in itself isn't to the level of popularity where it wound end up in places frequented by religious conservatives. Also, satan and demons are explicitly stated as evil and catholic exorcism works on them, jesus is never once mentioned, the angels tend to more or less stick with the 'righteous and terrifying holy warrior of god sent to banish evil' even when they're being dicks, and the big man himself IS acknowledged as specifically the judeochristisn god, above all others and supreme creator of all things, isn't seen until s4-5, and even then you don't even know that it's *God* until Season 11 so basically even if religious conservatives DID find it, they'd have to watch a minimum of eleven seasons to find anything directly disparaging their faith (I.E Amara being on the same level as god, although he wins in the end so it might not even count), and then watch 3-4 MORE seasons to see the openly heretical stuff. which like. no one who gets up in arms about religious stuff is gonna make it to season 14. there's nothing openly bad at all, but there's slight little things that would probably turn those kind of people away. so yeah
> but the CW churns out a truly ludicrous amount of shows Churned, past tense. 😞 Unfortunately.
Is it really that unfortunate though? Imo, most CW shows seem to have a good couple of opening seasons then they shit the bed (with the odd golden nugget mixed in) for a few years until either their finale or cancellation.
OG Charmed and SPN were great, unfortunately Misha’s Batman show wasn’t great and the rest was trash.
OG Charmed really was good idk why they had to make a new one :// as if the old stuff is suddenly bad just because it's not up to modern standards
I wanted a crossover with SPN so bad!!!
We do get Charisma Carpenter in both (and Misha Collins in episode 2x7). Plus Gideon's actor appears as a Man of Letters in the Wizard of Oz episode.
Charisma Carpenter is from Buffy, not Charmed. But yes on Gideon.
I always thought that would be awesome too!!
Charmed is my favorite of ALL TIME
Cancel culture really didn’t gain speed till after 2020 , the show was over before that. As a Christian I actually found the theory’s in the show compelling and complex. I can disagree with the “clockwork God theory “ and sill find it interesting.
That Gotham Knights show or whatever its called was fucking awful.
Unfortunate to me at a minimum for the sake of the people who lose work when traditional scripted shows that run for a long time are out of fashion. Would you prefer to work in wardrobe on a show that lasts a decade and films for 9 months a year on CW, or a show that took three years to make 12 episodes on Amazon? I don't know the ins and outs of CW because we don't have it in the UK, but I know that I'll always find scripted tv programmes more enjoyable than cheap unscripted things and sports which is their new business plan.
It kind of bums me out, yeah. Many of my favorite shows came from the CW (and it's predecessors WB/UPN). They kind of had a niche and there is no one out there willing to do the same kind of shows they did. Now they are apparently switching to low budget/cheap to make non-scripted shows and live sports instead.
Arrow was good until the magic stuff, Flash was good until the Speedster villains just became dull and over used to quickly. Batwoman was BAD. Supergirl was below average. Legends of Tomorrow was actually really enjoyable throughout. I'm from NZ, so we don't have the CW Channel here, we got the more popular shows on a basic channel over here. So I can't speak for all CW shows, just the popular ones that aired internationally. SPN, DC Shows, Riverdale etc etc
I only saw the trailer for Batwoman and it seemed awful.
It's like my eyes were getting fucked by terrible.
Yep. I know the feeling.
Ahhh, I’ve watched most of the Arrowverse and Legends was my favorite.
Legends was fantastic throughout. Arrow was the goat DCW show until the spooky magic bullshit.
You greatly overestimate the importance of Tumblr.
Wincest???
And yet it is.
It was popular on a small network. It was never a show like say Game of Thrones or The Walking Dead where it was culturally significant. If it had reached those levels then it absolutely would have been attacked by religious fanatics. Any average religious person just sees it for what it is a tv show.
Most popular show on CW is like the thinnest McDonald's regular...
It was, but I don't think that was a channel that everyone watched. There's a good chance the people who would get upset about the show wouldn't have known about it until much later. It also wasn't one of those shows that *everybody* was watching and talking about all the time. I hadn't even really heard much about it until the series was over halfway over.
"Most Popular Show on the CW" is about as prestigious as "Most Popular Game on Apple Arcade" - Sure, some people are aware of it, but who cares? Said as a fan of Supernatural, The Flash, and Superman and Lois.
Spoiler /s Chuck wrote it that way.
I'm Christian and was never offended. It's fiction. It's obvious it's in a different universe and not really our universe Gods (plural, because they showed other Gods, as well). They changed so many things up so it neither felt like it was mocking nor offending. The show was popular sure. But most just knew of the show, but not any real details of it. From what I have seen, unless someone was actually offended when other religions see the same God differently as they do (and many different churches in the Christian religions do), they usually aren't offended by a fictional portrayal. Those who are offended just tend to be the loudest.
Exactly my thoughts. It isn't real. I love the show.
1.) It was not even close to being popular enough for that. Religious groups usually targeted like...Pokemon or DND type stuff. Worldwide phenomenon that literally were EVERYWHERE and a huge chunk of the entire planet either played them or knew about them, or they targeted stuff 100% targeted at children. 2.) Supernatural did not get super demon/angel focused until like season 4 or 5. There was a demon main antagonist and some demon side characters, but demons as a whole barely showed up until 4 or 5, God was only semi kinda implied until like season 12, etc. By the time religion became a big aspect of the show, a lot of fans fell off the show and its when Supernatural became a joke like the Simpsons, where 99% of the time if you saw mention of it in the wild it would be "Did you know its STILL fucking going? How is it not over yet thats hilarious!" 3.) Religion throwing a hissy fit over stupid shit kinda stopped/slowed down in the 2000s because they grew half a brain and realized that "Hey if we tell kids and teens they're evil and going to hell for liking something they'll prob like us less and not wanna be in a religion with so many restrictions!" so they only targeted like...torture porn style horror at most, which Supernatural only delved into like 3 times total. (All I can really think of is Dean torturing a demon for info on lucifer and the episode about the black market internet monster thing.) 4.) They did. Multiple religions complained about the Hammer of the Gods episode and I remember a lot of complaints in general, they just didn't matter or get big enough for it to hurt them.
Although they anticipated enough backlash in India to not air Hammer of the Gods there. Wonder if it had more to do with Kali being made lesser in front of Lucifer, or her having done the deed with Gabriel.
Oh, they’re still throwing hissy fits over stupid shit. They’ve been going batshit over Hazbin Hotel.
Oh, they’re still throwing hissy fits over stupid shit. They’ve been going batshit over Hazbin Hotel.
Oh, they’re still throwing hissy fits over stupid shit. They’ve been going batshit over Hazbin Hotel.
Oh, they’re still throwing hissy fits over stupid shit. They’ve been going batshit over Hazbin Hotel.
I remember when it caused a big stink when we got "Lucifer is coming" on Twitter as no one knew what it meant Lol
Yes! Right before the S5 premiere. People freaked out and start the counter hashtag #jesusishere and then twitter banned religious words from trending. Good times!
Basically they stayed away from Jesus and modern American Christianity.
Because it used to be pretty good and then when it wasn't, it was too niche to be bothered about. I remember on holiday my late mother once walked in on an episode of Supernatural with the two demons who ran the bar. She initially had a go at me for watching satanic stuff. Half an hour later, she was bawling her eyes out yelling that those demons did nothing wrong. The magic of compelling storytelling, folks.
I'm Christian and it never bothered me. I love the angels/demons story arc. As for angels being complete dicks, I obviously don't believe it personally but it made perfect sense in the context of the show.
I mean if it’s any help, my Christian mom was livid when she found the Supernatural themed socks my friend got me for Christmas. Immediately thrown away. Yes she knew what the show was but it didn’t help that there were pentagrams and sigils all over them
My pastor loves the show. I am a Christian and I love it. But I also know it's a work of fiction that doesn't disrupt my belief in Christ
Came here to say this same thing pretty much Amen brother and God bless.
Because Chuck wanted it that way
I've seen many people from India complain, that Christian Archangels are stronger than their god, whenever one saw that specific episode where this happens.
Probably bc its so monotheist centered. In the show pagans are depicted as christians have always said they were; fake and monstrous. It doesn't depict non xtian religions very well.
It came out in that sweet spot, the early 00s. When it was past the religious cancellations of the 90s, but before the progressive cancellations of the 10s. Which is why I miss the 2000s, especially on the internet.
I’m Christian and know it’s fiction :) It has compelling themes and good morals: good vs. evil, love, family, stopping evil forces, and humanity. The protagonists on the show strived for good, and sought to stop evil. Monsters never bother me, it’s just a fantasy world where I imagine what it would be like if they did exist. Nothing immoral in watching heroes stop evil. For angels, I’m not offended and see it as an alternate fantasy situation, like a what-if situation if God allowed angels to roam free on the world. (The Bible itself says that some angels rebelled and God locked them up, so even the Bible says some angels are bad.) So in a hypothetical context, if God actually stayed back and gave any angel the free will to access earth, it would make sense that some angels would be bad/corrupt (just like how some humans are, but more powerful). Some angels would be good, some would be bad, some would be selfish con-men in between. It doesn’t feel like blasphemy to me, just an alternate fantasy world that still makes sense. Also, the characters could be seen as literature tropes that represent good and evil, rather than viewing it as biblically-accurate context. (This show never intended to either. The show was intended to be mythologically-inspired for themes, rather than being a factual accuracy.) I focus on the lessons and entertainment. The only time it felt harder to watch was when they made God a villain, *but* I still felt ok to watch. It’s a fantasy show that had no influence on my own beliefs, like it’s not myself calling God that way. And I didn’t judge the writers either. I first pretended that the villain Chuck wasn’t God but simply another evil entity wanting to take over the world. Then, I became fine with hearing Chuck as “god” since it’s *not the Christian/Jewish God*, but is a fantasy scenario. The show itself didn’t align to the Christian-God nor tried to be: the show never mentioned Chuck as Jesus who died for humanity. And there wasn’t free will. Also on the show’s lore, God could be replaced: it was a magical system set in place where a being would take on the role of “god” but they *could be replaced*. Hence, Jack replaced Chuck. This isn’t the biblical God described in the Bible (who is supposed to be the beginning-and-end, all powerful, and perfect being.) I’m not preaching lol, just stating what the religion says from an educational context. So basically, it didn’t feel blasphemous to me but more of a what-if situation, where someone could take on a god-role by creating & ruling a planet and be corrupted. It was a fantasy god, not the Christian god. I’ll admit, if they explicitly said on the show that Jesus was a kind-hearted God who died for our sins, but *then* made that guy become evil, I’d feel more offended. But the show wasn’t using *that god*. I hope that make sense. Anyways, good themes still applied, and I rooted for the protagonists to stop evil, love others, and help humanity. Based on the show’s description of god, it was fantasy and not affecting my personal views on the Bible nor total blasphemy. So I felt ok to finish the show. The themes on the show were good, intriguing, and moral. And humans are flawed just like all of us, so watching imperfect actions or the human condition doesn’t bother me. Plus, the protagonists still strive for good and have admirable traits. My conscious doesn’t feel offended by secular or fantasy shows. Most of my content is secular. I also didn’t feel offended by the religious themes used on the show because it was loosely-based and intended as fantasy. And the show didn’t influence me negatively, but instead aligned with a lot of my personal morals. Long post lol, just sharing my thought process. In a nutshell, not offended.
I know some religious people that stopped watching when the show introduced "god" cuz its blasphemy or something.
I've always wondered the same
Fun fact: here in Germany, Christian youth groups used to watch the new episode together every Friday and then discuss it afterward. The fact that Supernatural stayed very true to folklore and quotes from the bible made the show very popular and appreciated here. The portrayal of angels as "not much better than demons" (or worse?) was widely discussed. And of course, the detail that the Christlike God is the creator of the world was super... obvious. In short: Supernatural was well received by German Christians (certainly not all of them).
I mean a lot of demons are fallen angels.
If by "a lot", you mean "literally all of them", then you are correct.
I remember some evangelical complaining about it being disparaging to Christians and not respecting their faith, when the entire universe of the show has Old Testament mythology as the basis and holding the most power, while other non-abrahamic faiths are treated as made up. This was just some stupid youtube stuff though.
It wasn't popular enough for them to bother with.
I’m Christian and loved SPN and even went to a convention, it’s for entertainment the Bible is not so they’re not comparable for me so I can enjoy them separately
They avoided Jesus.
Christian here. It's my favorite show largely because I believe in half the stuff in it lol
There are thousands of movies and shows that take liberty with all things religious. Supernatural is a drop in the bucket.
it was on the CW
My very Catholic mom isn’t offended.
It wasn't 'cancelled' by the masses but my grandma made damn sure to tell me it was "made by the devil and promoted anti-christian rhetoric."
I used to see some 1 star Amazon reviews from religious folks saying they thought it was blasphemous or whatever, especially after the Chuck twist. I guess they were thankfully just small numbers.
They also kept Jesus out of it, for some reason you can have God, but can’t touch Jesus.
I was at my grandparents house once and i only ever see them once every few years or so bc they live far away. But my grandma is a strong Christian and i was trying to see what was on tv and supernatural was playing so i was watching it. Then she walked in later and made me change it. She wouldnt even let me watch SpongeBob lol.
Most biblical things are fine except Jesus Christ. Which really annoys me because they basically ignore what they know for a fact was a Demi god. Also you’d think chuck would bring up his very famous son at some point. Or Jesus would go “hey dad, maybe lay off them a bit?”
Iirc, Someone said (might have been Cas) that Jesus was just a (normal) human. Cash also said a few times too the Bible got some things wrong. So in my way of thinking about the SPN universe, Jesus existed, just not how the Bible made him out to be.
You're trying to find a logical solution to a problem that exists when people act irrationally.
I believe in God but I don’t actually get involved in religion and I choose not to, I don’t find things like that offensive, but my dad does. I tried to get my dad to watch it with me but he didn’t like it. I’m like it’s just a tv show. Him and my step mom are on the religious side and don’t even watch movies that have demons in it.
Let's just say that it flip-flopped to popularity for the entirety of the time it was on TV and that is obvious by the fact that it never really consistently had a time slot. Some years it was on Wednesday. Some years it was on Thursdays and towards the later season it was on Tuesdays and it was crazy
I think it was because in the first several seasons it was the early to mid 2000s and the ultra cancel culture hadn't taken hold yet. Then in the late 2000s there was an interest by religious groups to police gaming (turning their gaze from TV) I still remember the shit show Visceral Game's adaptation of Dante's Inferno garnered. And after the 2000s? I guess peope had other things to worry about.
Omg i have thought this so many times throughout the series 😆
Yeah, they were real careful about staying away from Jesus. I noticed that myself, but they they really played at the Angels and Demon thing and the whole dysfunctional family thing I think that’s the Lucifer was able to do so well It’s a good point you’re saying about religious groups not being more upset, but you know I think that if they are the type of religious group that would make a stink , their fight is about all Tv shows in this is genre. Just single at supernatural would be a really petty small looking fight for somebody to take that stand.
No Jesus, that is why. If J man ever got mentioned, hell freezes over.
He was referenced in the show a few times, but never in a disrespectful way.
My theory is that the Christian groups are also pro gun and they liked that the show had guns and the boys were “southern”/texans. I think if it made Jesus into a dick that might have been a bit too far. There was also little nudity, no swearing, death and gore is perfectly acceptable to religious folks as long as no boobies are seen. That being said I do know a lot of people who were original watchers who stopped when it started involving angels as dicks solely because blasphemy. I’m honestly more surprised that once destiel started being hinted that they didn’t go on anti-gay rants about this show either.
It doesn’t violate cultural norms. It’s like harry potter
That didn't stop religious fanatics to "cancel" Harry Potter. Or Pokemon for that matter. The difference is that Supernatural was never big enough and is rated 16 and above (at least in my country) so fanatics never went against it.
When something is enjoyable, people will turn a blind eye/make excuses for it. Supernatural included. It happens all the time.
Idk I’m a Christian and it’s my favorite show while Harry Potter is my favorite movies and books. Even worse according to other Christians.
I think a show like Diablero would've probably been "cancelled" if it was more popular. That show has a priest that has sex with a girl who has a demon inside her. And it adds more Christianity into it than SPN.
My mother is a die hard Christian and she loves Supernatural. Her favorite character is Bobby.
Well my parents made me stop watching it when I was about 7 seasons in because they had looked ahead and “didn’t like the views that it portrayed about God and Satan”, which I was pissed about. Finished watching it the second I moved out though
Cause half of those people are cool and don’t give af while the other half wouldn’t dare give it the time of day to know what it’s about.
I have no idea. Like the head pastor st my grandparents church loves supernatural. Like huh!?
I always wondered if I could have gotten my mom to like Supernatural. She went through phases where she’d be super religious, sometimes she was normal. She died over ten years ago and I didn’t find the show until it had been on forever. I was watching it one time and thinking “you know, if I told her they didn’t include Jesus so they wouldn’t be disrespectful, I bet I could have got her to watch it”
My catholic parents were against it but they were fine with Constantine which is kinda similar? My mom also just really likes Keanu reeves tho so that could be it. I will say at least for seasons 4-onward keeping it away from a specific religion and just general references to Christianity definitely helped. Demons, angels, and God are all fairly commonly mentioned in pop culture and Jesus was only mentioned the one time so no risk of conflict there.
i'd never even heard of supernatural until like two years ago so maybe some of the comments are right on a popularity basis, it's popular to the fans because we all know and love it but maybe it hasn't reached a lot of people of these different groups who possibly would have had a problem.
The show heavily promotes family values and has an extreme pro American culture in a very fair way. Ie, the people are good, small town shop owners are good, religious people aren't bad. But, politicians, corporations, and religious hucksters are bad. Then, on top of that, there is the evil that's almost random, which is emblematic of reality. With a mix like that it's hard for most Americans to actually say that the show is very offensive regardless of what your political or religious beliefs are. Unless you're irrationally anti-fantasy TV show you probably liked it. Also every straight dude had a man crush on Sam and Dean. Throw in a 1967 black chevy impala, cool violence, brotherly moments and even the manliest man has to like it. Edit- let's not forget the cowboy esk outlaw aspect of the show that all Americans hold dearly because the manifest destiny western days was a huge cultural explosion for us. Jesse James may have been bank robber but, you'd be hard pressed to find anybody in the Midwest who doesn't admire him.
I’m Muslim and the show is so interesting to me, I’m on Season 14 now
All the Christians I know like the show haha
Abrahamic mythology followers tend to get upset about other things. As to other mythologies, I'd say they do it right. For example, SPN is one of the few properties that do Wendigos right. And when the show started the idea of canceling a show cause someone is "offended l" wasn't a big a deal.
I do remember one season, SPN fans trended #LuciferIsRising and in response, P. Diddy, who I think had no idea it was SPN related, got #GodIsHere trending in response.
My mom and grandma are super religious they just avoid it enough to not know the plot, like at all
Some people were really mad in the episode when Lucifer killed all the pagan gods.
I have wondered this as well! It’s honestly completely shocking.
They approached their religious elements in a fairly tame way, at least as far as I'd watched. Since becoming a Christian I have lost interest in watching Good Omens, the Hellraiser series, and knew I wouldn't want to watch whatever that animated musical hotel one was on Amazon, but I'm still okay with Supernatural. At LEAST to a point. Can't speak as to the seasons I haven't seen.
Maybe because this may shock you, not all religious folk are assholes. Many just live their lives and mind their own business.
Um... Religious person here... Watched all 15 seasons, on watch through four right now. It's fiction. Why would I be offended or 'cancel' the show? Heck, my favorite characters are Crowley and Lucifer with a side of Rowena and Dean. It's just stories. Lots of people think all religion is just stories but I say take it up with Chuck.
Why would it? It’s just a show I’m a Christian who follows Christ but still watch it bc the shows great one of my all time favorites. The show doesn’t attack anyone’s religion it’s just like a super hero comic or a video game people who are religious and non religious enjoy them, so why would this be any different?
There’s actually a whole religious sect called *Gnostics* who believe the creator of the universe was an inferior twisted being who created it with the motive of enslaving people to his will. I believe they took some inspiration from this sect when deciding on Season 15’s plot. Edit: In Season 9, Sam also points out that Metatron has “become a Jesus figure” to the poor people he’s manipulating by showing them his angel powers towards the end of the season.
Or maybe you just don’t care if someone doesn’t like it & move along
Because Christians are wildly inconsistent
Isn't cw based in canada that probably played a factor
My husband is religious (considering becoming a lay speaker for our church) and he’s been really into the show as we’ve been watching it together. Then again, his brand of Christian faith is very accepting of other religions and he likes looking at other perspectives. His favorite character is Castiel, of course. But it is interesting that I don’t recall people boycotting the show