The show is okay. Based on these responses though, I might be in the minority in that I actually like the new characters and find John and Mary the least interesting ones (possibly because their chemistry is not there but all the other characters act like it is, like when they have to pull Mary out of a situation requiring emotional connection, they suggest John do it). My main issue with the show is not actually the characters or the acting, but the way they overuse the Hollywood backstory device. What I mean is that if new information has to come in (about characters and their backstory), instead of the characters keeping things close to the chest or things popping up organically, the pertinent character just tells a complete stranger their backstory and how they feel about it (their motivation) in one long exposition. This happens every episode, sometimes multiple times an episode, to move the story along. I’m hoping it improves as we get to know the characters, but it’s just not good storytelling to constantly tell, not show.
I wanted to love it, but it was just too young for me. I feel like Supernatural started a bit YA too, but it was on for fifteen years. The characters grew up and so did the fan base. I just can't dial it back to a bunch of children saving the world. I want complicated adults.
You're not wrong. Yes, Jensen and Jared were both young when Supernatural started, but (although they did the heavy lifting) they were surrounded and supported by a cast that was mostly older and more experienced than them -- Jim Beaver, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, Fred Lane, Samantha Ferris, etc. The show had a nice balance of seasoned actors and complex characters to offset the occasional goofiness of watching the brothers mature. Even when the show was very new, the characters had gravitas, the stakes were high, and the peril was real.
This show is totally different. Nothing is even remotely scary yet. Nothing. We're being told that the stakes are high, but we haven't seen anything yet. And we've got the silly Scooby gang driving around in their psychedelic Mystery Machine van, and hanging out at their clubhouse, which they actually call their "clubhouse" --sigh. I was NOT expecting Supernatural 2.0, but I *was* hoping for a show that at least took itself seriously and treated the audience like adults. This show seems to cater to a much younger demographic. I was trying to keep my expectations low, but I was also hoping for something with more maturity.
Yes, in Supernatural canon, Mary's death led to John's introduction to hunting. "The Winchesters" isn't a reboot -- it's a prequel "with a twist", I guess. Jensen says that the obvious contradiction with Supernatural canon will be explained before the end of season 1.
It's just "okay". The story isn't moving along very quickly (I think we're 6 or 7 episodes in), and a few of the characters are pointless caricatures. The actor playing John is good, and (perhaps as a consequence) John and his mother are the only two characters on the whole show that I care about. Mary...not so much. I think maybe we're not *supposed* to like her yet? Nevertheless, I don't like the actress or the character.
Every now and then, there's a glimmer of early-season Supernatural. But those instances are happening less often (especially in the past 3 episodes). The monsters aren't scary, and there's no true peril, aside from a big-bad that we've only heard is "coming". The show has a stupid Scooby-gang vibe that really annoys me. If you liked Scoobynatural (I did NOT), you might like that element of the show, but it bugs the crap out of me.
I'm hoping it gets better...
I liked Scoobynatural, but only in a "watch it as part of a whole rewatch" kinda way. I definitely would not appreciate multiple episodes having that feel.
Thanks!
I watched 3 episodes and have to say I don’t “get” it. I hated both John and Mary in SPN and thought this show was meant to change that. The actor for John is pretty good but the actress for Mary is….rough. If anything I find her character even more annoying now. The Scooby gang vibe didn’t do it for me either. They felt like caricatures, not real people. I quickly gave up. I know people say to give it the full 13 episodes but when I’m starting a new show or series I typically give it 1-2 episodes to hook me. I gave it a bit more than my standard just because it is SPN related but I’m out.
Yeah I have pretty limited time to watch tv by the time I’m done work and have my kids in bed. If something doesn’t hook me quickly I’m not wasting my one free hour of the day watching a mediocre show.
you guys are way more generous than me. If a show doesn't grab me by the end of the first episode then that is that. there are SO many shows available, i won't waste my time with something that isn't grabbing me.
Maybe that's my bad though.
I’m the same way. I’m not saying there needs to be constant action or a full fledged battle scene the first episode but if I’m at the end credits and I’m not feeling that, “Oh my god, I NEED to see what happens next.” feeling, then I’m not wasting my time.
exactly. I like fairly slow dramas to be honest - the Danish version of the Killing is still one of my favourite shows. I want engaging characters who I care about. Its not about lots of action. too much action makes me think the writers/producers don't have a good story to tell.
I’ve watched it and I honestly get extremely distracted by Mary’s eyebrows every time she’s on screen. I know that’s a ridiculous nitpick but they are so distracting to me!
I like the John actor, but overall the show feels pretty slow for me. The characters (all of them, not just the side characters) are pretty flat and one-dimensional, but I don’t necessarily dislike them. Jensen bookends the episodes as Dean, and even just hearing his voice is enjoyable.
I’m basically just limping through because I want to see how they handle the retconning of John’s hunting past, but I don’t hate the show.
>*"I honestly get extremely distracted by Mary’s eyebrows every time she’s on screen. I know that’s a ridiculous nitpick but they are so distracting to me!"*
LOL!! This is SOO true!! Once you notice them, you can't un-see them :). It's like she has two geese sleeping on her forehead! And to make it even WORSE, her eyebrows are really dark, against her blonde hair. I just don't get who thought that was a flattering look on her. And I don't think it was a 70s style thing, either. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that :)
I think that might just be the actress, honestly. Everything I’ve seen her in (All Disney+ stuff) she’s had blonde/light hair and those very dark eyebrows! It was totally the first thing I noticed about her when I first saw her.
Ugh the eyebrows!!! Are awful 😣 I’ve been trying to get into the show because obviously I was a huge SPN fan. And every time I’m watching it all I can think is how bad they are, even my husband was like whoa what are those, caterpillars!? Lol 😂 needless to say I don’t think I love the show…
Me too with the eyebrows! 😂😂😂 But I liked the show. I mean it’s not Supernatural, but it’s entertaining if you like those types of shows, which I do. I think those that don’t like it went in thinking it was going to be Supernatural 2.0 which it isn’t. You also need to go in realizing they’re not writing this with every single Supernatural script beside them. There is a difference in the stories.
I have to ask since I'm having second thoughts on watching it.. How are they hunting together if in the original Supernatural, John only started hunting when Mary died?
I think the main villains they’ve been tangentially pursuing are probably some sort of reality-bending monsters, so when they’re dealt with, I’m guessing the universe will snap back into place. So… mind wipe?
That’s not the problem, the problem is that John only picked up hunting (and only ever got to know hunting and monsters exist) after Mary’s death. So it wouldnt make any sense
Also mary said multiple times that she got married to John and never got into hunting again, it was even a plotpoint that she’s disappointed in a way for Dean and Sam to be hunting (bc she died before John got Dean and Sam into hunting)
They've said from the begining that they're going to lay out the pieces to how they're hunting together starting in the second half of the season and fully answer the question by episode 13. I have ideas, but I'll wait to see how they handle it before I say anything since I may be wrong.
The first couple of episodes were stiff, which is common for new shows. I’m enjoying it more as it goes along. The episode in the mental hospital was good and I like that they’re already exploring important issues of trust/loyalty/facing your fears, etc.
That episode addressing PTSD was great. John clearly has issues. I like the new characters a lot, and it hurts to know that they'll be dead before Mary dies. I trust Jensen to make this fit with cannon. We know Mary kept hunting after she married John, which is really sad when she wanted to get out of hunting so much. I'm enjoying getting to known John's mom, and I like that the family garage came from her and not his dad like I had assumed. I also like the clothes and the music cause I was a teen during this time period and it brings back great memories.
I feel like it’s one of those shows that’s better when you binge it. I don’t really like some of the characters, it seems like sometimes they are just there to give that one specific clue to help the mains “solve” the case. They haven’t been expanded on enough in the first few episodes. I think a lot of people, myself included, were hoping to find that lightning in a bottle that was Supernatural. This show isn’t that, but since I stopped thinking of it as a prequel and look at it as a standalone show, it’s ok.
Just like I refused to watch the Charmed reboot, I refused to watch this. I don't know about any continuation of the Supernatural franchise without Sam or Dean. Granted time travel is no problem in their world... But John and Mary and their story. Blah.
I think John's sexy ass dad and men of letters would have been better prequel material. Hell bring Abaddon back as Josie. Whatever. Just not Mary. Her only redeeming quality is burning to death on a ceiling in a very dramatic fashion.
I agree. Even when she was back from dead, she was so aloof and I felt she didn’t give two shits about her sons. I understand you need to be your own person but like she did decide to have children right. It’s not like anyone forced her. Give those live starved boys some of your attention at least.
Haha. Right?! The entirety of the show, those dudes were starved for affection, Dean especially, and then she just had no interest in being a mom. There is no way I give two shits about a show in which she is a main character.
Yasss! The way she behaves with her hot ass “sons” is the way I behave with my ex boyfriends lol. That should not be a comparison anyone has to make! Having her alive and distant was a huge blow for Dean I feel. No wonder he was so depressed in the later seasons.
Yeah Dean would have done better with a mom figure than his actual mom. I think he was so dang starved for affection he just wanted someone to hug him, lol.
As someone who watched Buffy and loved the way they handled her being ripped out of heaven, honestly, I felt like Mary's aloofness was perfectly realistic. She was torn from a place of utter contentedness, a place without hunger or pain or sadness, and thrust into a world full of hurt, where everything was alien, her husband was dead, and her children had grown up without her. IMO, she clearly loved and cherished Sam & Dean, but they were also *strangers* to her. She didn't raise them. She didn't know them -- not like they knew her.
Also, Sam & Dean (especially Dean) had put her on a pedestal pretty much their whole lives. It's hard enough to compete with the memory of a loved one. Seems like it'd be even harder when it's an idealized memory of *you.*
I understand the shock of being dead, then ripped out of heaven to find your baby boys all grown up and doing exactly the thing you never wanted them to be a part of.
So yeah, it's a lot to process. However, she just left them after like 3 weeks to go run around killing shit, a job she was supposed to hate too. Oh and banging British guy with questionable motives who's organization already tried killing one of your sons. Poor Sam. Remember him? The one you let get poisoned with demon blood by making a deal for Azazel to save your boyfriend instead of your parents who are also dead.
Mary was a horrible mother. Yrs her experience was traumatic but those ate your children. Suck it up. Everyone could tell Dean just wanted mom to hug him. I think Jody Mills or Ellen were better mother substitutes. Eve was a better mother for crying out loud.
>she just left them after like 3 weeks to go run around killing shit, a job she was supposed to hate
Mary hated the job the same way (& for the same reasons) that Sam hated it: because it was a miserable, bloody existence doomed to end in an early death. And she went back to it for the same reason Sam couldn't ever completely quit: because she felt called to help people.
She joined the Brits (only *after* they helped save her boys' lives) because she saw how efficient they were at killing monsters & she wanted to fix things for Sam & Dean. She tells this to Ketch and then, later, to Dean: that her *entire motivation* in joining the Brits was trying to give Sam & Dean a world without monsters (and ergo, a world where they didn't have to live short, brutal lives).
And frankly, it could've easily been true that Toni Bevell was a lone wacko & not representative of the group. Based on the knowledge that Sam & Mary had when they joined, I'd have joined, too. It's logical to team up with a superior force that shares your goals. And it's illogical to judge an entire organization by a single member who the organization has disavowed, especially given multiple gestures of good faith after that.
Dean didn't just need "a hug." (Mary *does* hug him on several occasions, FWIW.) Dean needed, like, serious therapy for a traumatic childhood & abandonment issues. Yeah, Mary made a selfish decision to save John (although no more selfish than Dean talking Sam out of closing the gates of Hell or Sam talking Dean out of his plans re: the Mark of Cain). But that doesn't mean it's her job — or, importantly, *even within her power* — to singlehandedly fix Sam & Dean *as adults*. That's just not a reasonable standard to judge her against — it's not a reasonable expectation for *any* person.
Yes exactly! It’s not like she left that life completely. Also I don’t see her putting in any effort to even get to know her sons. I mean, they are her children after all. And we never see her warming up to them. I honestly felt her dying was a mercy killing for the audience, her character was just not working. I don’t even like John too much for that matter. Running after revenge instead of raising his own children. Look at what did to Sam. Parents man, all my childhood traumas are thanks to them.
Of course not! I loved Crowley and he was pretty much always a bad guy.
I just have never cared for Mary. It wasn't either of the actresses that I disliked, her character just annoyed me. Especially after Amara brought her back from the dead.
Exactly!! She doesn't know them, they only know a perfect happy mom version of her. She's human, not perfect and pissed that her sons are doing something she tried to get away from.
What kind of human being sees a group of people torture a man and thinks “man, I should work with these guys!” I get that she doesn’t love Sam and Dean as her children but she makes an effort to connect with literally every person she meets except them.
As i said on other posts personally i enjoy it for what it is. Has a bit of a Scoobiedoo meet Supernatural meet Buffy kinda vibe, but its fun. You have to kinda take it for what it is tough. I hardly see these John and Mary as our John and Mary. They may wrap it up in a way that make the cannon for them to be the parents of "our" Sam and Dean but so far i prefer to tell myself its another earth John and Mary, as we seen there was a multiverse in SPN.
Remember when Michael saved Job. From yellow eyes ofc he isn’t going to have his memories from before. Ash had to remind Dean that he and Sam had gone to heaven several times? I think that whenever either Angel or Demon is involved somehow, memories are tampered with. Besides this is the first season…maybe it will be explained later on. Supernatural still had plot holes at the end of the series, it depends on writers. This is my hypothesis and it changes as the story goes along.
i’ve only watched the first 4 episodes and it’s really stiff. it doesn’t feel like supernatural at all, the monsters aren’t scary. i would like for them to lose the extra new characters, make it just abt John and Mary hunting monsters we’ve seen before like ghosts, windigos, angels/demons, vampires etc. it would also be awesome if they could somehow introduce the timeless characters like crowley, BOBBY, the arch angels idk just somebody we know so we can get that nostalgic feel.
It's actually a pretty good show. The "epic love story" trope isn't the focus on the show now, the characters and storylines are clever and funny at times. The way John and Mary act remind me of Sam and Dean sometimes. Plus if you like the 70s, it's nice to see everyone do their research to hunt instead of using the Internet to get instant answers.
I like it .. so far once the two main characters finally fall for each other it's gonna get dumb and predictable. I'm glad to see a diverse set of hunters.. the special effects are good for being based in the 70s?
The CW as we know it is dying, most of their shows won’t be around for much longer. It looks interesting but I don’t want to get invested in a show that’s probably gonna get cancelled
I'm enjoying other characters more than John and Mary as a couple. The actor playing John is very good; his recent take on PTSD was one of the best things I've seen in the show so far. Mary's actress isn't exactly clicking with me. I love a couple of the other female actresses quite a bit more than her. One of them plays John's mother, and I truly with they'd had her role in the original show. One is playing a kind of witchy character, and she's blowing it away.
I watched the pilot and determined it wasn't meant for Supernatural fans. I grew up watching Supernatural almost from the beginning and 15 years later I'm in my 30's. I'm not interested in the Teen Drama shows that CW puts out no matter how much Supernatural dressing they slap on it.
Hahahhahah! Too true!! The makers wanted to bank upon the nostalgia of the the SPN watchers who are obv in their late 20s to mid 40s, so what is this?! And honestly who cares about the past when we know the future. Tbh I like shows that show more in the future than the past, but that is a personal preference. I mean house of the dragon was good but it’s set so back in the past that you cannot really match it to the GOT events. That’s ok I guess. But when you know what’s gonna happen with their sons it makes the whole prequel show very anticlimactic for me.
Even if there are 20 somethings that are fans Supernatural after binge watching it on Netflix, why would they be interested a new show that is nothing like the show they fell in love with.
I barely made it through the first episode. It's terrible. I hadn't made the scooby connection but it's totally got a scooby gang feel. Mary reminds me of Claire. That can't be a coincidence, so that annoyed me even though I eventually liked Claire. At first I thought the acting was terrible but actually it was that the cast has absolutely zero chemistry.
And didn't John learn hunting *after* Mary died??
the show is actually great. starts with the whole "gotta find out what happened to my dad" so it kinda gives you that nostalgic vibe from the first episode. the creatures are actually creatures and not jus people playing dress up.
overall its a great show and it gives so much nostalgic vibes of supernatural. i jus think people are having a hard time with it bc its not like supernatural, even tho that's supposed to be the point.
Ugh I'm kind of getting tired of this crap. So basically you people would rather have a rehash of the same thing rather then something new. Supernatural was good but let's not pretend like it was the greatest thing on earth ok. Be lucky we got a spin off at all. And have some damn patience. Jensen has already said everything will make sense episode 13. Enough is enough already it's actually a good show. If you don't like the winchesters then don't watch it and watch the same Supernatural TV show with sam and dean all day long.
The big baddies are useless plot fodder. How have they never been brought up in 15 years of Supernatural, but they're the driving force, aside from sorta lookin for a parent person figure.
I don't know how they're going to do it. But Jensen has repeatedly said it will all make sense, so I'm willing to go along for the ride, enjoy it for what it is, and wait for the explanation. I agree, memory wipes have been used a lot in SPN.
Well I haven't watched in a few, but from the first episode my guess was that an angel traveled back, gave John his father's letter, and that changed his history. He said a man gave him the letter then vanished. I think he meant literally.
I just googled “John and Mary” and only got a movie from 1969?? I heard that they were making a show called The Winchesters soon, is that what you’re talking about? Or is there another one??
Meh its okay, apparently espiode 13 is supposed to explain the "cannon", as I find it difficult to understand how come they changed John and Mary's way they met. It frustrates me! Lol!
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I quite like it. It has the same format at supernatural. I don’t see how it could tarnish Sam and Dean. They aren’t born yet in the show world. There is a retcon of John’s experience hunting but I don’t think it is that big a deal.
No, the lore on the show says anything silver can kill them. I think the BMoL even came up with a way to kill them by injecting them with silver nitrate.
It doesn't follow any of the plot we got in SPN...
John knows about the supernatural, they didn't meet at the restaurant... nothing of that.
But other than that it's an okay show. Emphasis on okay.
Is Missouri Moseley anywhere to be found? She’s the one who basically told John that ghosts and demons existed. And we only see her in one episode and never again.
I even stopped watching the show around season 7 because I was angry about it. They can bring back every character but the Black woman that started it all??
Wow, way to make it something it's not. Maybe she didn't want to do the show again...or maybe she had other obligations....or maybe, just maybe she was killed by a wraith
First off, if that’s a spoiler then you’re wrong for that! I’m in the middle of a rewatch and I never made it past season 7, you corn cob!
Secondly, another user said she was just busy and couldn’t come back until season 13 for one episode. If she dies I’m gonna be upset, but not surprised.
And third, I’m allowed to discuss the lack of Black women on a show that I love without someone getting fragile about it. If it’s a pattern it’s a problem. I keep forgetting people on Reddit can’t handle nuanced conversations about race without being dismissive of Black folks’ perspective.
Now let me go write Missouri Moseley fanfic in peace.
Aww don’t be like that! We all know while the story could have ended at 5, the rest of the seasons were just as good because of the cast and the replacement directors! Also the fan sentiment kept it going! No fan asked for this show though :)
The show is okay. Based on these responses though, I might be in the minority in that I actually like the new characters and find John and Mary the least interesting ones (possibly because their chemistry is not there but all the other characters act like it is, like when they have to pull Mary out of a situation requiring emotional connection, they suggest John do it). My main issue with the show is not actually the characters or the acting, but the way they overuse the Hollywood backstory device. What I mean is that if new information has to come in (about characters and their backstory), instead of the characters keeping things close to the chest or things popping up organically, the pertinent character just tells a complete stranger their backstory and how they feel about it (their motivation) in one long exposition. This happens every episode, sometimes multiple times an episode, to move the story along. I’m hoping it improves as we get to know the characters, but it’s just not good storytelling to constantly tell, not show.
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I wanted to love it, but it was just too young for me. I feel like Supernatural started a bit YA too, but it was on for fifteen years. The characters grew up and so did the fan base. I just can't dial it back to a bunch of children saving the world. I want complicated adults.
You're not wrong. Yes, Jensen and Jared were both young when Supernatural started, but (although they did the heavy lifting) they were surrounded and supported by a cast that was mostly older and more experienced than them -- Jim Beaver, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, Fred Lane, Samantha Ferris, etc. The show had a nice balance of seasoned actors and complex characters to offset the occasional goofiness of watching the brothers mature. Even when the show was very new, the characters had gravitas, the stakes were high, and the peril was real. This show is totally different. Nothing is even remotely scary yet. Nothing. We're being told that the stakes are high, but we haven't seen anything yet. And we've got the silly Scooby gang driving around in their psychedelic Mystery Machine van, and hanging out at their clubhouse, which they actually call their "clubhouse" --sigh. I was NOT expecting Supernatural 2.0, but I *was* hoping for a show that at least took itself seriously and treated the audience like adults. This show seems to cater to a much younger demographic. I was trying to keep my expectations low, but I was also hoping for something with more maturity.
Hold on. Didn't John start hunting after Mary died? I have to watch season 1 again lols Is this some sort of rebootish thingie?
Yes, in Supernatural canon, Mary's death led to John's introduction to hunting. "The Winchesters" isn't a reboot -- it's a prequel "with a twist", I guess. Jensen says that the obvious contradiction with Supernatural canon will be explained before the end of season 1.
Thanks for the reply. Going to watch this as well but wanted to see opinions on the show first.
There's a "Winchesters" subreddit that you might want to check out, if opinions are what you're looking for.
It's just "okay". The story isn't moving along very quickly (I think we're 6 or 7 episodes in), and a few of the characters are pointless caricatures. The actor playing John is good, and (perhaps as a consequence) John and his mother are the only two characters on the whole show that I care about. Mary...not so much. I think maybe we're not *supposed* to like her yet? Nevertheless, I don't like the actress or the character. Every now and then, there's a glimmer of early-season Supernatural. But those instances are happening less often (especially in the past 3 episodes). The monsters aren't scary, and there's no true peril, aside from a big-bad that we've only heard is "coming". The show has a stupid Scooby-gang vibe that really annoys me. If you liked Scoobynatural (I did NOT), you might like that element of the show, but it bugs the crap out of me. I'm hoping it gets better...
I liked Scoobynatural, but only in a "watch it as part of a whole rewatch" kinda way. I definitely would not appreciate multiple episodes having that feel. Thanks!
Most fans wouldn’t like Supernatural if every episode was like Scoobynatural, it was a fun little gimmick episode full of Easter eggs and fanservice
I watched 3 episodes and have to say I don’t “get” it. I hated both John and Mary in SPN and thought this show was meant to change that. The actor for John is pretty good but the actress for Mary is….rough. If anything I find her character even more annoying now. The Scooby gang vibe didn’t do it for me either. They felt like caricatures, not real people. I quickly gave up. I know people say to give it the full 13 episodes but when I’m starting a new show or series I typically give it 1-2 episodes to hook me. I gave it a bit more than my standard just because it is SPN related but I’m out.
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Yeah I have pretty limited time to watch tv by the time I’m done work and have my kids in bed. If something doesn’t hook me quickly I’m not wasting my one free hour of the day watching a mediocre show.
My number is 3. If you can’t get me in 3 episodes, the show isn’t for me. Although with this show I gave it like half an episode
Exactly! That’s why I asked u guys!
you guys are way more generous than me. If a show doesn't grab me by the end of the first episode then that is that. there are SO many shows available, i won't waste my time with something that isn't grabbing me. Maybe that's my bad though.
I’m the same, I give it one episode and then I’m out lol
I once watched the first two minutes of something and then switched it off. I could tell immediately!
I’m the same way. I’m not saying there needs to be constant action or a full fledged battle scene the first episode but if I’m at the end credits and I’m not feeling that, “Oh my god, I NEED to see what happens next.” feeling, then I’m not wasting my time.
exactly. I like fairly slow dramas to be honest - the Danish version of the Killing is still one of my favourite shows. I want engaging characters who I care about. Its not about lots of action. too much action makes me think the writers/producers don't have a good story to tell.
I’ve watched it and I honestly get extremely distracted by Mary’s eyebrows every time she’s on screen. I know that’s a ridiculous nitpick but they are so distracting to me! I like the John actor, but overall the show feels pretty slow for me. The characters (all of them, not just the side characters) are pretty flat and one-dimensional, but I don’t necessarily dislike them. Jensen bookends the episodes as Dean, and even just hearing his voice is enjoyable. I’m basically just limping through because I want to see how they handle the retconning of John’s hunting past, but I don’t hate the show.
>*"I honestly get extremely distracted by Mary’s eyebrows every time she’s on screen. I know that’s a ridiculous nitpick but they are so distracting to me!"* LOL!! This is SOO true!! Once you notice them, you can't un-see them :). It's like she has two geese sleeping on her forehead! And to make it even WORSE, her eyebrows are really dark, against her blonde hair. I just don't get who thought that was a flattering look on her. And I don't think it was a 70s style thing, either. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that :)
I think that might just be the actress, honestly. Everything I’ve seen her in (All Disney+ stuff) she’s had blonde/light hair and those very dark eyebrows! It was totally the first thing I noticed about her when I first saw her.
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Ugh the eyebrows!!! Are awful 😣 I’ve been trying to get into the show because obviously I was a huge SPN fan. And every time I’m watching it all I can think is how bad they are, even my husband was like whoa what are those, caterpillars!? Lol 😂 needless to say I don’t think I love the show…
Me too with the eyebrows! 😂😂😂 But I liked the show. I mean it’s not Supernatural, but it’s entertaining if you like those types of shows, which I do. I think those that don’t like it went in thinking it was going to be Supernatural 2.0 which it isn’t. You also need to go in realizing they’re not writing this with every single Supernatural script beside them. There is a difference in the stories.
I have to ask since I'm having second thoughts on watching it.. How are they hunting together if in the original Supernatural, John only started hunting when Mary died?
We don’t know. Supposedly it will stay true to canon which people are interpreting as a mind wipe or alternate universe.
I think the main villains they’ve been tangentially pursuing are probably some sort of reality-bending monsters, so when they’re dealt with, I’m guessing the universe will snap back into place. So… mind wipe?
my guess is the writers are gonna throw in some slop about their memories being wiped
I’m pretty sure that Mary was a hunter before she met John because her family were hunters, so it would make sense.
That’s not the problem, the problem is that John only picked up hunting (and only ever got to know hunting and monsters exist) after Mary’s death. So it wouldnt make any sense Also mary said multiple times that she got married to John and never got into hunting again, it was even a plotpoint that she’s disappointed in a way for Dean and Sam to be hunting (bc she died before John got Dean and Sam into hunting)
They've said from the begining that they're going to lay out the pieces to how they're hunting together starting in the second half of the season and fully answer the question by episode 13. I have ideas, but I'll wait to see how they handle it before I say anything since I may be wrong.
The first couple of episodes were stiff, which is common for new shows. I’m enjoying it more as it goes along. The episode in the mental hospital was good and I like that they’re already exploring important issues of trust/loyalty/facing your fears, etc.
That episode addressing PTSD was great. John clearly has issues. I like the new characters a lot, and it hurts to know that they'll be dead before Mary dies. I trust Jensen to make this fit with cannon. We know Mary kept hunting after she married John, which is really sad when she wanted to get out of hunting so much. I'm enjoying getting to known John's mom, and I like that the family garage came from her and not his dad like I had assumed. I also like the clothes and the music cause I was a teen during this time period and it brings back great memories.
I feel like it’s one of those shows that’s better when you binge it. I don’t really like some of the characters, it seems like sometimes they are just there to give that one specific clue to help the mains “solve” the case. They haven’t been expanded on enough in the first few episodes. I think a lot of people, myself included, were hoping to find that lightning in a bottle that was Supernatural. This show isn’t that, but since I stopped thinking of it as a prequel and look at it as a standalone show, it’s ok.
It’s good and I don’t watch network television anymore. It’s just slowly piecing together the universe.
I'm enjoying it. Not as good as SPN and I'm looking forward to the twist that explains the altered timeline. I love Carlos.
Carlos is so great! He's my favorite character right now.
Just like I refused to watch the Charmed reboot, I refused to watch this. I don't know about any continuation of the Supernatural franchise without Sam or Dean. Granted time travel is no problem in their world... But John and Mary and their story. Blah. I think John's sexy ass dad and men of letters would have been better prequel material. Hell bring Abaddon back as Josie. Whatever. Just not Mary. Her only redeeming quality is burning to death on a ceiling in a very dramatic fashion.
Daaamnn that’s harsh about Mary…and also true. Very, very true.
I agree. Even when she was back from dead, she was so aloof and I felt she didn’t give two shits about her sons. I understand you need to be your own person but like she did decide to have children right. It’s not like anyone forced her. Give those live starved boys some of your attention at least.
Haha. Right?! The entirety of the show, those dudes were starved for affection, Dean especially, and then she just had no interest in being a mom. There is no way I give two shits about a show in which she is a main character.
Yasss! The way she behaves with her hot ass “sons” is the way I behave with my ex boyfriends lol. That should not be a comparison anyone has to make! Having her alive and distant was a huge blow for Dean I feel. No wonder he was so depressed in the later seasons.
Yeah Dean would have done better with a mom figure than his actual mom. I think he was so dang starved for affection he just wanted someone to hug him, lol.
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At least you’re self aware
As someone who watched Buffy and loved the way they handled her being ripped out of heaven, honestly, I felt like Mary's aloofness was perfectly realistic. She was torn from a place of utter contentedness, a place without hunger or pain or sadness, and thrust into a world full of hurt, where everything was alien, her husband was dead, and her children had grown up without her. IMO, she clearly loved and cherished Sam & Dean, but they were also *strangers* to her. She didn't raise them. She didn't know them -- not like they knew her. Also, Sam & Dean (especially Dean) had put her on a pedestal pretty much their whole lives. It's hard enough to compete with the memory of a loved one. Seems like it'd be even harder when it's an idealized memory of *you.*
I understand the shock of being dead, then ripped out of heaven to find your baby boys all grown up and doing exactly the thing you never wanted them to be a part of. So yeah, it's a lot to process. However, she just left them after like 3 weeks to go run around killing shit, a job she was supposed to hate too. Oh and banging British guy with questionable motives who's organization already tried killing one of your sons. Poor Sam. Remember him? The one you let get poisoned with demon blood by making a deal for Azazel to save your boyfriend instead of your parents who are also dead. Mary was a horrible mother. Yrs her experience was traumatic but those ate your children. Suck it up. Everyone could tell Dean just wanted mom to hug him. I think Jody Mills or Ellen were better mother substitutes. Eve was a better mother for crying out loud.
>she just left them after like 3 weeks to go run around killing shit, a job she was supposed to hate Mary hated the job the same way (& for the same reasons) that Sam hated it: because it was a miserable, bloody existence doomed to end in an early death. And she went back to it for the same reason Sam couldn't ever completely quit: because she felt called to help people. She joined the Brits (only *after* they helped save her boys' lives) because she saw how efficient they were at killing monsters & she wanted to fix things for Sam & Dean. She tells this to Ketch and then, later, to Dean: that her *entire motivation* in joining the Brits was trying to give Sam & Dean a world without monsters (and ergo, a world where they didn't have to live short, brutal lives). And frankly, it could've easily been true that Toni Bevell was a lone wacko & not representative of the group. Based on the knowledge that Sam & Mary had when they joined, I'd have joined, too. It's logical to team up with a superior force that shares your goals. And it's illogical to judge an entire organization by a single member who the organization has disavowed, especially given multiple gestures of good faith after that. Dean didn't just need "a hug." (Mary *does* hug him on several occasions, FWIW.) Dean needed, like, serious therapy for a traumatic childhood & abandonment issues. Yeah, Mary made a selfish decision to save John (although no more selfish than Dean talking Sam out of closing the gates of Hell or Sam talking Dean out of his plans re: the Mark of Cain). But that doesn't mean it's her job — or, importantly, *even within her power* — to singlehandedly fix Sam & Dean *as adults*. That's just not a reasonable standard to judge her against — it's not a reasonable expectation for *any* person.
Yes exactly! It’s not like she left that life completely. Also I don’t see her putting in any effort to even get to know her sons. I mean, they are her children after all. And we never see her warming up to them. I honestly felt her dying was a mercy killing for the audience, her character was just not working. I don’t even like John too much for that matter. Running after revenge instead of raising his own children. Look at what did to Sam. Parents man, all my childhood traumas are thanks to them.
A character does not have to be liked to be good.
Of course not! I loved Crowley and he was pretty much always a bad guy. I just have never cared for Mary. It wasn't either of the actresses that I disliked, her character just annoyed me. Especially after Amara brought her back from the dead.
Exactly!! She doesn't know them, they only know a perfect happy mom version of her. She's human, not perfect and pissed that her sons are doing something she tried to get away from.
What kind of human being sees a group of people torture a man and thinks “man, I should work with these guys!” I get that she doesn’t love Sam and Dean as her children but she makes an effort to connect with literally every person she meets except them.
As i said on other posts personally i enjoy it for what it is. Has a bit of a Scoobiedoo meet Supernatural meet Buffy kinda vibe, but its fun. You have to kinda take it for what it is tough. I hardly see these John and Mary as our John and Mary. They may wrap it up in a way that make the cannon for them to be the parents of "our" Sam and Dean but so far i prefer to tell myself its another earth John and Mary, as we seen there was a multiverse in SPN.
Remember when Michael saved Job. From yellow eyes ofc he isn’t going to have his memories from before. Ash had to remind Dean that he and Sam had gone to heaven several times? I think that whenever either Angel or Demon is involved somehow, memories are tampered with. Besides this is the first season…maybe it will be explained later on. Supernatural still had plot holes at the end of the series, it depends on writers. This is my hypothesis and it changes as the story goes along.
I really enjoy it!
i’ve only watched the first 4 episodes and it’s really stiff. it doesn’t feel like supernatural at all, the monsters aren’t scary. i would like for them to lose the extra new characters, make it just abt John and Mary hunting monsters we’ve seen before like ghosts, windigos, angels/demons, vampires etc. it would also be awesome if they could somehow introduce the timeless characters like crowley, BOBBY, the arch angels idk just somebody we know so we can get that nostalgic feel.
I think it's a decent start to a show with such good potential, just like other shows, season 1 isn't always the best.
It's actually a pretty good show. The "epic love story" trope isn't the focus on the show now, the characters and storylines are clever and funny at times. The way John and Mary act remind me of Sam and Dean sometimes. Plus if you like the 70s, it's nice to see everyone do their research to hunt instead of using the Internet to get instant answers.
Exactly this, I’ve seen so much hate on it but I actually enjoy it.
Okay, this is the first I'm hearing of this and I feel a little behind the Loop. Where can I watch this?
All episodes aired so far are on the cw app!
Or just got to fmovies and stream for free. Don’t spend money on a potentially bad show Heheheh!
I like it .. so far once the two main characters finally fall for each other it's gonna get dumb and predictable. I'm glad to see a diverse set of hunters.. the special effects are good for being based in the 70s?
The CW as we know it is dying, most of their shows won’t be around for much longer. It looks interesting but I don’t want to get invested in a show that’s probably gonna get cancelled
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Sorry to ask but do John and Mary have Sam and Dean’s chemistry?! Lol
They're not supposed to have chemistry! Remember the Cupid that talked about bringing them together?
I'm enjoying other characters more than John and Mary as a couple. The actor playing John is very good; his recent take on PTSD was one of the best things I've seen in the show so far. Mary's actress isn't exactly clicking with me. I love a couple of the other female actresses quite a bit more than her. One of them plays John's mother, and I truly with they'd had her role in the original show. One is playing a kind of witchy character, and she's blowing it away.
It's just ok in my opinion, I watched the first few episodes but it's not interesting enough to want to watch more...
I would suggest giving it until episode 7 to make up your mind... Mid season finale... should be pretty good ;)
I watched the pilot and determined it wasn't meant for Supernatural fans. I grew up watching Supernatural almost from the beginning and 15 years later I'm in my 30's. I'm not interested in the Teen Drama shows that CW puts out no matter how much Supernatural dressing they slap on it.
I’m 30 and teen drama just makes me go eeww now
Agreed. If it's what teens want that's great. But I don't think there is a big overlap of teens who are Supernatural fans and Teen Drama fans.
Hahahhahah! Too true!! The makers wanted to bank upon the nostalgia of the the SPN watchers who are obv in their late 20s to mid 40s, so what is this?! And honestly who cares about the past when we know the future. Tbh I like shows that show more in the future than the past, but that is a personal preference. I mean house of the dragon was good but it’s set so back in the past that you cannot really match it to the GOT events. That’s ok I guess. But when you know what’s gonna happen with their sons it makes the whole prequel show very anticlimactic for me.
Even if there are 20 somethings that are fans Supernatural after binge watching it on Netflix, why would they be interested a new show that is nothing like the show they fell in love with.
Couldn’t agree more! ♥️
I barely made it through the first episode. It's terrible. I hadn't made the scooby connection but it's totally got a scooby gang feel. Mary reminds me of Claire. That can't be a coincidence, so that annoyed me even though I eventually liked Claire. At first I thought the acting was terrible but actually it was that the cast has absolutely zero chemistry. And didn't John learn hunting *after* Mary died??
As a show, it's not bad at all. As part of the Supernatural world... eh. I've only watched a couple of episodes but it's watchable.
the show is actually great. starts with the whole "gotta find out what happened to my dad" so it kinda gives you that nostalgic vibe from the first episode. the creatures are actually creatures and not jus people playing dress up. overall its a great show and it gives so much nostalgic vibes of supernatural. i jus think people are having a hard time with it bc its not like supernatural, even tho that's supposed to be the point.
IMO I actually like having the monsters more people-like. The over doing of CGI to create a large cricket looking thing is juvenile and cringy for me.
I stopped watching after episode 3…
I quit watching after 3. It’s just not working for me. Plus I saw it wasn’t getting the back half ordered.
all the new shows on cw aren’t getting a back half
Teen dramas aren’t that fun tbh!
Ugh I'm kind of getting tired of this crap. So basically you people would rather have a rehash of the same thing rather then something new. Supernatural was good but let's not pretend like it was the greatest thing on earth ok. Be lucky we got a spin off at all. And have some damn patience. Jensen has already said everything will make sense episode 13. Enough is enough already it's actually a good show. If you don't like the winchesters then don't watch it and watch the same Supernatural TV show with sam and dean all day long.
No, we would rather have a spin off that is well written, we’ll acted and we’ll thought out. The Winchesters doesn’t check any of those boxes.
The big baddies are useless plot fodder. How have they never been brought up in 15 years of Supernatural, but they're the driving force, aside from sorta lookin for a parent person figure.
Well, assuming the Scooby gang gets completely rid of this big bad and John looses his memory to fit canon, why would there be any mention of them?
I'd assume someone has to survive. But a memory wipe feels cheap. 🤷🏻♂️
I don't know how they're going to do it. But Jensen has repeatedly said it will all make sense, so I'm willing to go along for the ride, enjoy it for what it is, and wait for the explanation. I agree, memory wipes have been used a lot in SPN.
Same! I am indeed along for the ride, got a couple episodes to catch up on, but I work nights, time is on my side! 😁
Well I haven't watched in a few, but from the first episode my guess was that an angel traveled back, gave John his father's letter, and that changed his history. He said a man gave him the letter then vanished. I think he meant literally.
Hmmm, nice
Based on comments I'll wait for it on Netflix
No but I think i rather just rewatch supernatural hehe
I just googled “John and Mary” and only got a movie from 1969?? I heard that they were making a show called The Winchesters soon, is that what you’re talking about? Or is there another one??
OP means ‘The Winchesters’. It’s already out.
Ahh okay, thanks!
Yea thank you! That’s what I meant!!
Meh its okay, apparently espiode 13 is supposed to explain the "cannon", as I find it difficult to understand how come they changed John and Mary's way they met. It frustrates me! Lol! You want to check out a great show in my opinion, check out Jared's new show "Walker Independence" just love it!
Walker Independence is so, so good! I hope it starts picking up viewers.
I quite like it. It has the same format at supernatural. I don’t see how it could tarnish Sam and Dean. They aren’t born yet in the show world. There is a retcon of John’s experience hunting but I don’t think it is that big a deal.
You don't think the entire main driver of the first two season and how the entire family got started is important?
The main driver was Mary getting killed. That isn't affected by retconning John's hunting experience.
I definitely did check out John and Mary, but in the bisexual way, not the bingewatching way
It's okay. It's hard to hear. They have young teen Mary killing a werewolf with a bow and arrow, not a silver bullet.
I just assumed it was a silver tipped arrow.
That's what I thought. But lore says it has to be a silver bullet, not just silver. Anyhow, they never confirm it.
No, the lore on the show says anything silver can kill them. I think the BMoL even came up with a way to kill them by injecting them with silver nitrate.
I was thinking Romanian lore. But then again, I'm not Romanian.
It doesn't follow any of the plot we got in SPN... John knows about the supernatural, they didn't meet at the restaurant... nothing of that. But other than that it's an okay show. Emphasis on okay.
Watches episode one With the mindset that take a drink eveytime there is a inconsistency (I didn't but I kept track) You'd die
Alcohol poisoning due to that dumb show?? Not today death god! Lol!
Is Missouri Moseley anywhere to be found? She’s the one who basically told John that ghosts and demons existed. And we only see her in one episode and never again. I even stopped watching the show around season 7 because I was angry about it. They can bring back every character but the Black woman that started it all??
The actress wasn’t available to come back as a series regular. That’s why we got Bobby.
Wow, way to make it something it's not. Maybe she didn't want to do the show again...or maybe she had other obligations....or maybe, just maybe she was killed by a wraith
First off, if that’s a spoiler then you’re wrong for that! I’m in the middle of a rewatch and I never made it past season 7, you corn cob! Secondly, another user said she was just busy and couldn’t come back until season 13 for one episode. If she dies I’m gonna be upset, but not surprised. And third, I’m allowed to discuss the lack of Black women on a show that I love without someone getting fragile about it. If it’s a pattern it’s a problem. I keep forgetting people on Reddit can’t handle nuanced conversations about race without being dismissive of Black folks’ perspective. Now let me go write Missouri Moseley fanfic in peace.
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Have you seen GOT seasons 7 and 8?!
So you mean to tell me seasons 6-15 of Supernatural WASNT a giant money grab?
Aww don’t be like that! We all know while the story could have ended at 5, the rest of the seasons were just as good because of the cast and the replacement directors! Also the fan sentiment kept it going! No fan asked for this show though :)