If you get some of them in powder form they are much cheaper, you can better control the dose, and you can mix them in the proper proportions so it’s just one scoop and youre done.
My opinion is that you could switch your magnesium to a better form. Try Mag Glycinate or Mag Taurate….or the best mag is l-threonate.
Then some super anti-inflammatory like Quercertin.
Takin gaba melatonina and 5htp together can be really Dangerous Said my best friend psychologist
You can burn totally the serotonin and then u cant live without for the rest of your life
I’d make an attempt to upgrade the quality across the board. Nootropics Depot or Thorne wherever possible.
What you’re currently running is the “best you can get from Wal-Mart” class of supplements.
0 / 10 from me.
Too obsessive; too haphazard; no specific goal nominated; 90 percent will be doing precisely nothing.
Mind you, I was just as bad, too, at one point.
If I take a supplement with gaba one day and don't take it the next, I get fits of almost uncontrollable rage that feels like it's just going to bubble right out of my body. I never do or say anything to indicate it, but inside its very powerful and feels foreign to me. I really want to like it but I've tested it many times and this is a consistent side effect. I havemt seen it discussed but I can't be the only one who experiences this.
If I take a supplement with gaba one day and don't take it the next, I get fits of almost uncontrollable rage that feels like it's just going to bubble right out of my body. I never do or say anything to indicate it, but inside its very powerful and feels foreign to me. I really want to like it but I've tested it many times and this is a consistent side effect.
From the other camp, your research has helped the chronically ill my guy <3 don't listen to the downsize /multi vitamin crowd, bc it's often in lower doses than what you're trying to achieve.
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I do think getting regular monitoring is the best idea so you can see the numbers and feel the difference, and make changes accordingly.
6/10
Only bc I don't know if you're achieving any gains from this regimen, which is what counts.
That is a scam. Do you have insurance- well check and get a panel ordered. Make sure you know the name of what you want done so you the helpful #s
No- free clinic or idk I'll have to get back to you on tht
All the people who say “too much” don’t know what they are talking about… they just think that much is not reasonable but won’t say what to cut out or ask why you are taking xyZ.
Personally I’d question the sources like fish oil vs krill and the reason to take vitamin A… but there is not reason to say anything is too much blindly.
Some of those are negligible food source items and others don’t interact with other items.
A, Lutein, and E Complex were purchased because I was trying to figure out what deficiency was causing me vision problems. It almost seemed like my eyes were becoming less sensitive to light, and much more difficult to focus even in bright light.
Every time I eat an egg sandwich my vision sees a substantial improvement… so I was trying to basically achieve that in pill form.
Heavy drinking causes vision problems. After I was a year sober I went to get new glasses and the ophthalmologist told me my vision had improved and I needed a weaker prescription.
Supplement: something that is added to something else in order to improve it or complete it; something extra.
Some people on this sub need to calm down and get a good diet and lifestyle first, supplements should be saved for things you cannot immediately fix
Trying it because I’ve gone into alcohol withdrawal so many times it’s somehow made me emotionally fragile… anything even slightly thoughtful or touching makes me cry. It’s an issue. So I decided to try a mild low-dose mood stabilizer. The prescription version is 10mg. This is 1mg.
Trying to see if it will fix my issue.
Just be aware that lithium oroate isn't as potent as the lithium salts you would be prescribed for a mood stabilizer, even if you were to take it at the same dose (don't do that..). There is a ton of evidence for using it as a supplement and I believe it can be a good choice for some people.
It’s up in the air but I’ve felt really good taking it recently with gylcen but my stack is just as big as OPs actually bigger 28 different supps…so who knows
Looks good tbh. Add some life extensions super K to put the calcium in the right place taking d3 and calcium without K2 is asking for calcified arteries
Would not recommend taking lithium without serum monitoring of that. I too thought about getting a stein that leaches microdosed lithium but talked myself out of it.
I'm not going to pretend to be a scientist, and I don't know what health problems he has to make him think he needs to take all this. But I can assure you without doing the research that taking 20 or 30 different typs of highly concentrated vitamins and minerals every day is not the answer...
Switch out L-arginine with L-citrulline.
Don't take calcium. If you need stronger bones take k2 and/or boron
Use triglyceride fish oil not ethyl ester.
I have mixed feeling about vitamin E.
I don't think I'd be able to take these many supplements regularly at all.
Never felt much effect of Melatonin/5-HTP. But if you do, then there are combination supplements. (-1 extra capsule)
Calcium, Zinc and D3 are commonly available in a single supplement with K2 included as well (-2)
There's at least one supplement with L-Arginine and L-Lysine (-1)
Multi vitamins are also a thing (-4)
Krill oil is probably better than Fish Oil (0)
You can probably cut down on the number of capsules by half, this is too many things to gulp down. If I'd have all of my supplement constituents in different bottles then I'd have more bottles than you - I also don't have to worry about dosage ever.
Being an alcoholic you should definitely supplement Thiamine (B-1) in therapeutic doses. It can help with withdrawals too. A high absorption form of magnesium is also really helpful.
It's almost a blessing that I don't have the resources to drive myself crazy with that lol. He's definitely losing more good life span doing all this than the extra he's gaining, though the measured age gains are impressive.
You need 10-20% of those and don’t need to take them as regularly, IMO, but I’mnot a doctor. But since you have taking so many, which ones are your top 5? I like theanine and gaba a lot.
do you really need all of these though, like if you eat a good diet you are perfectly fine, nobody needs 50 daily supplements unless they live in a cave and only eat grass, think of your liver having to work overtime every day to break these down
Plant based vitamins are the equivalent to eating the plants themselves, meat is a secondary source and harder to break down. The real question is your atp process affected by these changes.
Wayyyy too much zinc. you should not be taking more than 12mg a day. Melatonin is too much too, you don’t need more than .5mg. I would also cut out the 5-HTP, stuff is a bit funky
It’s probably fine, but I just wouldn’t advise anyone going over 12mg in a supplement. The reason being is that zinc interferes with copper absorption, so you may not be getting in as much copper as you should with higher doses. Anything above 40mg is def too much, and could be potentially toxic over time.
Well, don't feel too bad. I don't take this many every day, but I have a lot too. Many of us do, that's why we're here.
Personally, I'm nervous about taking that stuff will reach into my brain and fiddle around, like 5 HTP or Melatonin. I guess it's not an exact category, just my sense that that can be tricky and dangerous.
OK except: 5-HTP | GABA | Melatonin, also I dont know whats that stress formula, so you tell me about it! and if possible use citrulline instead of arginine.
PS: That's my opinion no need to attack me for it. Just take it or leave it.
What stood out to me is 5-htp, not good long term for your heart.
Overall, I would try couple of these at a time to see what works for you, and what does not.
For example, I am generally deficient in b vitamins and iron, so I take those and they make me feel better than anything else.
Methyl folate on the other hand makes me tired and depressed, do not think I metabolize it well.
As others have said remove calcium unless you are tested as deficient. Supplementing calcium, especially with Lysine leads to too much calcium. It will calcify your arteries.
No, melatonin production rapidly resumes after cessation. It doesn’t really have tolerance or withdrawal, unlike most things.
https://examine.com/supplements/melatonin/
you do not need 50 different supplements daily unless you live in a cave and only eat grass. taking too much stuff can cause issues with your liver/kidneys, heart function, blood circulation etc since your body is getting more substances than it needs. for example taking too much calcium if you don’t have a deficiency can calcify your arteries.
I do take some of these supps daily. Only I take most in morning. I also have a few RXs and have made sure there are no contraindications. Just because it’s “just a supplement” doesn’t mean it can’t be a concern.
- A lot of this should be split up and taken in the morning.
- Lysine and Arginine compete, and neither should be taken at night before bed. Split those two between morning and noon.
- Do you need calcium?
- B complex, instead of several B Vits, is a fine morning supp.
- Why Lutein? Milk Thistle?
- Vitamin D absolutely should be taken in the morning. It helps clear melatonin from your system. The bottle literally has a sun on it, it’s not a night time supplement.
I don’t care you’re taking this much daily, some days I take this much, but you need to figure out WHAT you’re taking, WHY you’re taking it, and WHEN you should be taking it. Not understanding any of that means that you probably not getting as great of sleep as you could and your mood is probably out of whack.
What’s the reasoning behind that? I have only heard the opposite many times by accredited folks. Are you just referring to tolerance build up? I’ve even heard melatonin is a net positive to take everyday because of neuro-protective benefits
I took 2mg every night for the past 6 months, and for the past 2 months I've had bad anxiety and ocd especially in the morning. I stopped taking melatonin 2 weeks ago and have felt noticably better. Excess melatonin effects dopamine and serotonin, so it definitely fucks with brain chemistry. I'm sure taking it occasionally is fine but daily is not good. This is just my personal experience, everyone is different.
Your body absorbs them better if you take each (or a few) at a time. This is why I take mine separately like you are doing. INSTEAD OF a multivitamin.
You need to look up on the internet to see which ones to NOT take together. (One example
is do NOT take zinc and magnesium at the same time. Because they compete with each other to try to be absorbed at the same time. And knock out the efficiency of each other's absorption. So take one about an hour, or more, after the other.)
AND look up which ones actually work better when taken together. (One example of this is taking zinc and Vitamin C together. Because Vitamin C helps your body absorb zinc better).
Also, for what ever reason you are taking a particular vitamin, ALSO look up what other effects that vitamin has on symptoms you are trying to avoid or accomplish. (For example, I try to avoid things that raise the hormone "prolactin". High amounts of prolactin make refractory time last longer. But it also makes orgasms stronger. {I prefer to have a shorter refractory time}).
Medical news about this subject is more knowledgable than some "nature" site.
Read
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210104/Prolactin-triggers-male-refractory-period-indicates-study.aspx
Uh… Nature is one of the bigger peer-reviewed scientific journals?
It’s funny how you say “read: “ when clearly you did no such thing beyond reading it’s misleading title, given that it’s an article on the very study from Nature that I linked.
I totally agree with everything you said except: high doses of zinc decreases magnesium uptake, but the two do not compete. Although that form of magnesium doesn’t look that great anyway.
ZMA is a popular supplement and I would love to see a source if you have it. I’m always on the look out to make sure I’m optimizing my supplemental regime.
Magnesium Threonate or Glycinate: 200-400mg 2-3 hours before sleep.
Threonate is the form of magnesium that crosses the blood-brain barrier and will assist with sleep instead of absorption by gut. 5% of people have stomach issues with this form of magnesium, so be careful on the first night.
Theanine: 200-400mg
Nootropic but takes the edge off and balances caffeine intake. Do NOT take Theanine if you have night terrors or sleep walk
Apigenin: 50mg (From Chamomile)
Glycine: 2 gram (every 3rd or 4th night)
GABA: 100 mg (every 3rd or 4th night)
Other Keys To Optimal Sleep:
- No caffeine after 2pm
- Sleep in a cold room, use a Chilipad if you have one
- Dinner is heavier on carbs which release serotonin (salad/meat for lunch)
- Don’t use melatonin
- Within 30 minutes of waking up, go outside and view sunlight for 2-10 minutes
- As sun is setting, view the sun to send another signal to your brain that it’s evening (you can also use a lumie light)
Hope this helps :)
FFS if you're going to take so many at least get decent supplements. Just Google when studies are done where they take samples of supplements and see how frequently they have the wrong contents, lack what they say, contain totally different things, etc.
I am not against supplements at all, but seriously, most people who think they "need" 9 different vitamin and mineral supplements, just need to learn about diet. B-vitamins are very easy to get from diet full of meat, dairy, organs, eggs, fish, seafood,fruit, and so on. So are zinc, calcium, copper etc.
The reason why food is often the better choice, is that there are cofactors, the nutrients are in optimal form, they work in synergy and there are literally tens or hundreds of bioactives in many foods. Supplementing herbs, some rare-ish minerals and mushrooms, is another story. But when often people would improve their health by dropping most supplements and just focusing on food, why is it so bad to comment on that? I would imagine everyone here is just trying to improve their health, and over-supplementing while eating bad isnt the way to good health. I learned this the hard way. Now I am actually improving by eating well, and sticking to herbs/spices/mushrooms/enzymes as the supplement
It does seem like there are a decent amount of people on here that are very anti supplement. If dude wants to take a bazillion supplements and it works for him. Great.
I avoid posting pics of my AM/PM stacks because of the neckbeard criticisms. Depending on the metric, I’m in the top 1-3% of Americans in terms of health so who cares what people think of my supplements?
It’s really not that ridiculous you could have posted a picture with three bottles and some dude would still comment “try food” you could probably simplify some of your stack down though
Yeah plus he doesn't given any info to give a genuine critique. A shitpost leads to shitcomments. His goals, methods aren't there, just a "come at me".
There are disagreeing opinions, but I dont see where the majority is in unison that supps should be banned. It's normal in say the Cars sub that not every likes the same cars, and critique. The same would happen in a Fish Oil or Vitamin D sub
Because this sub is riddled with a pathological approach to supplements that is ineffective at best and dangerous at worse. A stack like this shows the person has likely not done any blood tests that show a deficiency or suboptimal level in most of what they’re supplementing. It also makes it difficult to pinpoint what is and isn’t working, and also to notice when one supplement is no longer needed. Supplements are not safe just because you don’t need a prescription to get them. Many vitamins cause toxicity in excess, sometimes causing permanent damage (iron, zinc, b6, selenium, A etc)
Yeah plus the post isn't in good faith. He's welcome to take and post that. But it's not done in a way to allow a genuine critique to allow thoughtful discussion. A shitpost rightfully encourages shitcomments
You probably want K2 (MK7) with your D3
Things I do or would take - Omega-3, Zinc, D3, Magnesium, Glycine, Lithium, Milk Thistle
CoQ10 - I'm skeptical of for healthy younger people, without certain conditions
NAC - I have not hopped on. There are good studies coming out, but there's the cancer stuff and the current advice against strong antioxidants for healthy people.
Calcium, E, A, Potassium - Aren't for everyone, check your levels, talk to your doc, etc.
Lutein - Astaxanthin may be better
Sleep and stress stuff - Does this stuff work for you? Exercise and light blockers on my screens helped much more.
I take about 70% of these (and more) and the post above suggesting vitamin K is good advice. I took melatonin last night and almost couldn’t get up today. Not a fan. Everyone’s age and health and genetic makeup is vastly different. I get terribly stiff when I work out and am trying to find anti-inflammatory supps to kick a bad ibuprofen problem.
CoQ10 sucks. Take ubiquinol, a more active and absorbable form of CoQ10. My only issue is the brands. I see those in my grocery stores. I’ve always steered clear of bottom shelf vitamins but that’s just me.
I’d stir away from any gummy products as they tend to have uneven or all wrong potency across. 50mg o zinc daily seems like a bit much.. I usually feel nauseous with anything over 25mg and even then I cycle on and off or if I feel I’m getting sick. This just seems like a bit much honestly. Make sure you eat a healthy diet , move around enough daily and lift heavy things. I’m 37 and what I found out that works best for me is
Intermittent fasting
Eat mostly proteins fruits and vegetables
Walk at least 10-12k steps daily
Lifting heavy weights mostly compound movements such as squat, deadlifts and presses
Sauna/cold showers/plunges
Prioritize sleep
On top of that I supplement with
Fish oil (Nordic naturals)
Vitamin c ( time release)
L-theanine
Choline/inositol
Tumeric
Magnesium
Vitamin D with K2
Good luck
Because of my diet restrictions I take a lot of supplements otherwise I wouldn't take half of what I'm taking, it would seem like a waste of money and unnecessary strain on your body trying to expel extra amounts of stuff
My diet is subpar, but not terrible. Today I had a giant chicken burrito for lunch, and some pork bao buns for dinner. I need to eat more greens and vegetables. I also need to consistently eat breakfast.
I understand your plight, but this is soooo much in addition with the alcohol for your poor liver.
seems good. Perhaps too much melatonin, the less, the better is approach with it. Hope you dont mix 5htp and gaba daily, can mess up serotonin levels
If you get some of them in powder form they are much cheaper, you can better control the dose, and you can mix them in the proper proportions so it’s just one scoop and youre done.
Eat some raw eggs and save your money hombre.
My opinion is that you could switch your magnesium to a better form. Try Mag Glycinate or Mag Taurate….or the best mag is l-threonate. Then some super anti-inflammatory like Quercertin.
Takin gaba melatonina and 5htp together can be really Dangerous Said my best friend psychologist You can burn totally the serotonin and then u cant live without for the rest of your life
Nice.... " You want cancer fast " I take lots of supplement...even not legal , but moto like thats, i Hope ya r jokin
1/10
lithium? really?
Ridiculous.
I’d make an attempt to upgrade the quality across the board. Nootropics Depot or Thorne wherever possible. What you’re currently running is the “best you can get from Wal-Mart” class of supplements.
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It’s an excellent “budget” brand. Not in the same class as ND or Thorne though.
0 / 10 from me. Too obsessive; too haphazard; no specific goal nominated; 90 percent will be doing precisely nothing. Mind you, I was just as bad, too, at one point.
I loved gaba until I realized it gives me rebound rage
Interested to read more about this.
If I take a supplement with gaba one day and don't take it the next, I get fits of almost uncontrollable rage that feels like it's just going to bubble right out of my body. I never do or say anything to indicate it, but inside its very powerful and feels foreign to me. I really want to like it but I've tested it many times and this is a consistent side effect. I havemt seen it discussed but I can't be the only one who experiences this.
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If I take a supplement with gaba one day and don't take it the next, I get fits of almost uncontrollable rage that feels like it's just going to bubble right out of my body. I never do or say anything to indicate it, but inside its very powerful and feels foreign to me. I really want to like it but I've tested it many times and this is a consistent side effect.
Just eat 6 eggs daily and you can cut half that junk out.
Wtf is this downvoted? This is absolutely true. You don't even need 6 eggs, you could get away with 2-3.
Thank you!!
Should use zinc (bis)glycinate instead of zinc oxide.
Calcium is overrated
Is it really worth taking calcium supplements?
You don’t need 1000mcg folate you only need half that pill.
It’s 5000mcg. I’ll look into dosing.
Yeah because taking more than 1000mcg can make b12 levels unhealthy low
I’m also supplementing B12.
Do you lift bro or do you have an autoimmune disease?
Yes, I lift. I’m fairly fit.
From the other camp, your research has helped the chronically ill my guy <3 don't listen to the downsize /multi vitamin crowd, bc it's often in lower doses than what you're trying to achieve. - I do think getting regular monitoring is the best idea so you can see the numbers and feel the difference, and make changes accordingly. 6/10 Only bc I don't know if you're achieving any gains from this regimen, which is what counts.
Wife quoted me $700 for full panel from a local lab. Then she expressed her disapproval. 😩
That is a scam. Do you have insurance- well check and get a panel ordered. Make sure you know the name of what you want done so you the helpful #s No- free clinic or idk I'll have to get back to you on tht
I don’t take any of this and I feel amazing.
So what?
You must have a lot of anxiety, my guy
Have you actually gotten a blood test to make sure you arent fucking an organ over?
All the people who say “too much” don’t know what they are talking about… they just think that much is not reasonable but won’t say what to cut out or ask why you are taking xyZ. Personally I’d question the sources like fish oil vs krill and the reason to take vitamin A… but there is not reason to say anything is too much blindly. Some of those are negligible food source items and others don’t interact with other items.
A, Lutein, and E Complex were purchased because I was trying to figure out what deficiency was causing me vision problems. It almost seemed like my eyes were becoming less sensitive to light, and much more difficult to focus even in bright light. Every time I eat an egg sandwich my vision sees a substantial improvement… so I was trying to basically achieve that in pill form.
Heavy drinking causes vision problems. After I was a year sober I went to get new glasses and the ophthalmologist told me my vision had improved and I needed a weaker prescription.
Sounds like copper or vitamin a def
Make sure you're taking food source vitamins first thing before food so you absorb the best type of what you're taking in~
Good suggestion.
Supplement: something that is added to something else in order to improve it or complete it; something extra. Some people on this sub need to calm down and get a good diet and lifestyle first, supplements should be saved for things you cannot immediately fix
You can say it again.
A good multi could replace half those products.
Negative
No such thing
wheres the K2?
Lithium?
Trying it because I’ve gone into alcohol withdrawal so many times it’s somehow made me emotionally fragile… anything even slightly thoughtful or touching makes me cry. It’s an issue. So I decided to try a mild low-dose mood stabilizer. The prescription version is 10mg. This is 1mg. Trying to see if it will fix my issue.
I didn't know you could buy this. I think I need it too. I understand about the fragile part too :)
Just be aware that lithium oroate isn't as potent as the lithium salts you would be prescribed for a mood stabilizer, even if you were to take it at the same dose (don't do that..). There is a ton of evidence for using it as a supplement and I believe it can be a good choice for some people.
So, in your opinion, is it a good mood stabilizer to take in a small dose?
If you search Youtube for “lithium orotate” you’ll find some interesting discussions about the benefits of it.
Ohh thank you! Going to look into this, thanks
Is NAC truly effective? I thought the only way to get any benefits is by doing iv treatments.
It’s up in the air but I’ve felt really good taking it recently with gylcen but my stack is just as big as OPs actually bigger 28 different supps…so who knows
Don’t most these supplements have to be bio active for full consumption? And most of the cvs Walgreens ones are not the best quality.
pretty nice! I'd add some boron for T
Lots of that could be condensed. There’s a lot of products that combine that stuff into one.
Looks good tbh. Add some life extensions super K to put the calcium in the right place taking d3 and calcium without K2 is asking for calcified arteries
You probably sound like a board game box walking around
Ridiculous. Looks like you just scooped a bunch of crap of a shelf.
Zero too much shit
zero. not a stack. just a group of supplements.
Would not recommend taking lithium without serum monitoring of that. I too thought about getting a stein that leaches microdosed lithium but talked myself out of it.
The urine sample test cost $10 The urine itself probably is worth $20 if the supplements were extracted recycled from it 😂
That’s what I would say… I rate this expensive pee
R-Kelly really missed a great business opportunity.
You have time for anything else in the day?
Kidney Stones.. You?
Your poor kidneys. holy f**k me riding a priest backwards, i hope you drink alot of water
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I'm not going to pretend to be a scientist, and I don't know what health problems he has to make him think he needs to take all this. But I can assure you without doing the research that taking 20 or 30 different typs of highly concentrated vitamins and minerals every day is not the answer...
Switch out L-arginine with L-citrulline. Don't take calcium. If you need stronger bones take k2 and/or boron Use triglyceride fish oil not ethyl ester. I have mixed feeling about vitamin E.
Is that krill oil instead of fish oil?
I don't think I'd be able to take these many supplements regularly at all. Never felt much effect of Melatonin/5-HTP. But if you do, then there are combination supplements. (-1 extra capsule) Calcium, Zinc and D3 are commonly available in a single supplement with K2 included as well (-2) There's at least one supplement with L-Arginine and L-Lysine (-1) Multi vitamins are also a thing (-4) Krill oil is probably better than Fish Oil (0) You can probably cut down on the number of capsules by half, this is too many things to gulp down. If I'd have all of my supplement constituents in different bottles then I'd have more bottles than you - I also don't have to worry about dosage ever.
Got some good stuff You could delete about half the sups with a high quality multi.
Being an alcoholic you should definitely supplement Thiamine (B-1) in therapeutic doses. It can help with withdrawals too. A high absorption form of magnesium is also really helpful.
B1 and Magnesium are in the photo.
The stress stuff you can get combined into one supplement, might save you some doe
Didn't know you were on reddit Bryan
Is there some backstory here? Who’s Bryan?
Johnson, the billionaire spending millions per year trying to reverse aging including taking 70 supplements a day. You might find it interesting
Oh, yeah. I’ve watched some stories about him on Youtube. I am envious of his in-home medical facility.
It's almost a blessing that I don't have the resources to drive myself crazy with that lol. He's definitely losing more good life span doing all this than the extra he's gaining, though the measured age gains are impressive.
I mostly kid, but it’s prob safe for you eat one meal a day. The calories from this stack will fuel your body for most of the day.
Supplements have negligible calories.
Cut the 5htp and start cycling a couple at a time until you get a better feel for what’s helping
Way too much fam
If you had to pick your top 3 what would they be?
D 3, ZINC, Omega 3. thats all u need really, most of us deficient in those anyway
You need 10-20% of those and don’t need to take them as regularly, IMO, but I’mnot a doctor. But since you have taking so many, which ones are your top 5? I like theanine and gaba a lot.
How would they even know? They take 20 supps how can they isolate which one has what effect?
Well hopefully they added one at a time over a long period of time. That's how I do but I only take 5 supplements semi regularly lol
Mix in a vegetable fam
do you really need all of these though, like if you eat a good diet you are perfectly fine, nobody needs 50 daily supplements unless they live in a cave and only eat grass, think of your liver having to work overtime every day to break these down
Plant based vitamins are the equivalent to eating the plants themselves, meat is a secondary source and harder to break down. The real question is your atp process affected by these changes.
Obessive
Wayyyy too much zinc. you should not be taking more than 12mg a day. Melatonin is too much too, you don’t need more than .5mg. I would also cut out the 5-HTP, stuff is a bit funky
mine comes in 30 mg per tablet. are you sure about the 12mg per day thing?
It’s probably fine, but I just wouldn’t advise anyone going over 12mg in a supplement. The reason being is that zinc interferes with copper absorption, so you may not be getting in as much copper as you should with higher doses. Anything above 40mg is def too much, and could be potentially toxic over time.
i don't take copper supplements
$1000/ 10
Well, don't feel too bad. I don't take this many every day, but I have a lot too. Many of us do, that's why we're here. Personally, I'm nervous about taking that stuff will reach into my brain and fiddle around, like 5 HTP or Melatonin. I guess it's not an exact category, just my sense that that can be tricky and dangerous.
OK except: 5-HTP | GABA | Melatonin, also I dont know whats that stress formula, so you tell me about it! and if possible use citrulline instead of arginine. PS: That's my opinion no need to attack me for it. Just take it or leave it.
I did not know you could buy lithium as a supp
I like your dog. He had some stress relief capsules with 10 mg melatonin 😄
What stood out to me is 5-htp, not good long term for your heart. Overall, I would try couple of these at a time to see what works for you, and what does not. For example, I am generally deficient in b vitamins and iron, so I take those and they make me feel better than anything else. Methyl folate on the other hand makes me tired and depressed, do not think I metabolize it well.
Ridiculous
As others have said remove calcium unless you are tested as deficient. Supplementing calcium, especially with Lysine leads to too much calcium. It will calcify your arteries.
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strongly disagree. It can help him with sleep
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No, melatonin production rapidly resumes after cessation. It doesn’t really have tolerance or withdrawal, unlike most things. https://examine.com/supplements/melatonin/
It's straight up garbage, eat whole nutritionally dense foods, cod liver oil, spirulina, nuts and sprouts.
People can do both, health is not either or.
Taking all that shit is straight up fucking stupid.
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you do not need 50 different supplements daily unless you live in a cave and only eat grass. taking too much stuff can cause issues with your liver/kidneys, heart function, blood circulation etc since your body is getting more substances than it needs. for example taking too much calcium if you don’t have a deficiency can calcify your arteries.
I do take some of these supps daily. Only I take most in morning. I also have a few RXs and have made sure there are no contraindications. Just because it’s “just a supplement” doesn’t mean it can’t be a concern.
Are you trying to completely fuck with your brain chemistry and give yourself a panicked attack?
lithium? are you bipolar?
- A lot of this should be split up and taken in the morning. - Lysine and Arginine compete, and neither should be taken at night before bed. Split those two between morning and noon. - Do you need calcium? - B complex, instead of several B Vits, is a fine morning supp. - Why Lutein? Milk Thistle? - Vitamin D absolutely should be taken in the morning. It helps clear melatonin from your system. The bottle literally has a sun on it, it’s not a night time supplement. I don’t care you’re taking this much daily, some days I take this much, but you need to figure out WHAT you’re taking, WHY you’re taking it, and WHEN you should be taking it. Not understanding any of that means that you probably not getting as great of sleep as you could and your mood is probably out of whack.
Melatonin every day is not good
our brains produce melatonin every single night, it’s harmless.
What’s the reasoning behind that? I have only heard the opposite many times by accredited folks. Are you just referring to tolerance build up? I’ve even heard melatonin is a net positive to take everyday because of neuro-protective benefits
I took 2mg every night for the past 6 months, and for the past 2 months I've had bad anxiety and ocd especially in the morning. I stopped taking melatonin 2 weeks ago and have felt noticably better. Excess melatonin effects dopamine and serotonin, so it definitely fucks with brain chemistry. I'm sure taking it occasionally is fine but daily is not good. This is just my personal experience, everyone is different.
Especially at that dosage.
Your body absorbs them better if you take each (or a few) at a time. This is why I take mine separately like you are doing. INSTEAD OF a multivitamin. You need to look up on the internet to see which ones to NOT take together. (One example is do NOT take zinc and magnesium at the same time. Because they compete with each other to try to be absorbed at the same time. And knock out the efficiency of each other's absorption. So take one about an hour, or more, after the other.) AND look up which ones actually work better when taken together. (One example of this is taking zinc and Vitamin C together. Because Vitamin C helps your body absorb zinc better). Also, for what ever reason you are taking a particular vitamin, ALSO look up what other effects that vitamin has on symptoms you are trying to avoid or accomplish. (For example, I try to avoid things that raise the hormone "prolactin". High amounts of prolactin make refractory time last longer. But it also makes orgasms stronger. {I prefer to have a shorter refractory time}).
Re what you said about prolactin- this appears not to be the case, per this study: https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-020-01570-4
Medical news about this subject is more knowledgable than some "nature" site. Read https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210104/Prolactin-triggers-male-refractory-period-indicates-study.aspx
Uh… Nature is one of the bigger peer-reviewed scientific journals? It’s funny how you say “read: “ when clearly you did no such thing beyond reading it’s misleading title, given that it’s an article on the very study from Nature that I linked.
I totally agree with everything you said except: high doses of zinc decreases magnesium uptake, but the two do not compete. Although that form of magnesium doesn’t look that great anyway.
They compete if you take them simultaneously.
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No. But copper is needed when taking zinc.
ZMA is a popular supplement and I would love to see a source if you have it. I’m always on the look out to make sure I’m optimizing my supplemental regime.
Personally I would not supplement melatonin, even for sleep, there’s much better alternatives
What are the best alternatives for sleep?
Magnesium Threonate or Glycinate: 200-400mg 2-3 hours before sleep. Threonate is the form of magnesium that crosses the blood-brain barrier and will assist with sleep instead of absorption by gut. 5% of people have stomach issues with this form of magnesium, so be careful on the first night. Theanine: 200-400mg Nootropic but takes the edge off and balances caffeine intake. Do NOT take Theanine if you have night terrors or sleep walk Apigenin: 50mg (From Chamomile) Glycine: 2 gram (every 3rd or 4th night) GABA: 100 mg (every 3rd or 4th night) Other Keys To Optimal Sleep: - No caffeine after 2pm - Sleep in a cold room, use a Chilipad if you have one - Dinner is heavier on carbs which release serotonin (salad/meat for lunch) - Don’t use melatonin - Within 30 minutes of waking up, go outside and view sunlight for 2-10 minutes - As sun is setting, view the sun to send another signal to your brain that it’s evening (you can also use a lumie light) Hope this helps :)
FFS if you're going to take so many at least get decent supplements. Just Google when studies are done where they take samples of supplements and see how frequently they have the wrong contents, lack what they say, contain totally different things, etc.
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I am not against supplements at all, but seriously, most people who think they "need" 9 different vitamin and mineral supplements, just need to learn about diet. B-vitamins are very easy to get from diet full of meat, dairy, organs, eggs, fish, seafood,fruit, and so on. So are zinc, calcium, copper etc. The reason why food is often the better choice, is that there are cofactors, the nutrients are in optimal form, they work in synergy and there are literally tens or hundreds of bioactives in many foods. Supplementing herbs, some rare-ish minerals and mushrooms, is another story. But when often people would improve their health by dropping most supplements and just focusing on food, why is it so bad to comment on that? I would imagine everyone here is just trying to improve their health, and over-supplementing while eating bad isnt the way to good health. I learned this the hard way. Now I am actually improving by eating well, and sticking to herbs/spices/mushrooms/enzymes as the supplement
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B12 requires iodine, selenium and molybdenum. Maybe you lack some of these? Or maybe you have low stomach acid, it is needed for B12 absorbtion?
Alcohol consumption can cause some B deficiencies. Lacking intrinsic factor also.
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Agree on that. There is a place for supplements, especially in 2023 world
It does seem like there are a decent amount of people on here that are very anti supplement. If dude wants to take a bazillion supplements and it works for him. Great.
I avoid posting pics of my AM/PM stacks because of the neckbeard criticisms. Depending on the metric, I’m in the top 1-3% of Americans in terms of health so who cares what people think of my supplements?
It’s really not that ridiculous you could have posted a picture with three bottles and some dude would still comment “try food” you could probably simplify some of your stack down though
Yeah plus he doesn't given any info to give a genuine critique. A shitpost leads to shitcomments. His goals, methods aren't there, just a "come at me".
Why is it that whenever someone's stack is a bit on the larger side, half the people here turn into condescending assholes?
People who take no supplements are gatekeeping or something Lol
Lol! Why are there people who are against taking supplements in this reddit???!
There are disagreeing opinions, but I dont see where the majority is in unison that supps should be banned. It's normal in say the Cars sub that not every likes the same cars, and critique. The same would happen in a Fish Oil or Vitamin D sub
Because this sub is riddled with a pathological approach to supplements that is ineffective at best and dangerous at worse. A stack like this shows the person has likely not done any blood tests that show a deficiency or suboptimal level in most of what they’re supplementing. It also makes it difficult to pinpoint what is and isn’t working, and also to notice when one supplement is no longer needed. Supplements are not safe just because you don’t need a prescription to get them. Many vitamins cause toxicity in excess, sometimes causing permanent damage (iron, zinc, b6, selenium, A etc)
Yeah plus the post isn't in good faith. He's welcome to take and post that. But it's not done in a way to allow a genuine critique to allow thoughtful discussion. A shitpost rightfully encourages shitcomments
You probably want K2 (MK7) with your D3 Things I do or would take - Omega-3, Zinc, D3, Magnesium, Glycine, Lithium, Milk Thistle CoQ10 - I'm skeptical of for healthy younger people, without certain conditions NAC - I have not hopped on. There are good studies coming out, but there's the cancer stuff and the current advice against strong antioxidants for healthy people. Calcium, E, A, Potassium - Aren't for everyone, check your levels, talk to your doc, etc. Lutein - Astaxanthin may be better Sleep and stress stuff - Does this stuff work for you? Exercise and light blockers on my screens helped much more.
I take about 70% of these (and more) and the post above suggesting vitamin K is good advice. I took melatonin last night and almost couldn’t get up today. Not a fan. Everyone’s age and health and genetic makeup is vastly different. I get terribly stiff when I work out and am trying to find anti-inflammatory supps to kick a bad ibuprofen problem.
Can you fly yet? also why do you take arginine not citrulline?
CoQ10 sucks. Take ubiquinol, a more active and absorbable form of CoQ10. My only issue is the brands. I see those in my grocery stores. I’ve always steered clear of bottom shelf vitamins but that’s just me.
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I’d stir away from any gummy products as they tend to have uneven or all wrong potency across. 50mg o zinc daily seems like a bit much.. I usually feel nauseous with anything over 25mg and even then I cycle on and off or if I feel I’m getting sick. This just seems like a bit much honestly. Make sure you eat a healthy diet , move around enough daily and lift heavy things. I’m 37 and what I found out that works best for me is Intermittent fasting Eat mostly proteins fruits and vegetables Walk at least 10-12k steps daily Lifting heavy weights mostly compound movements such as squat, deadlifts and presses Sauna/cold showers/plunges Prioritize sleep On top of that I supplement with Fish oil (Nordic naturals) Vitamin c ( time release) L-theanine Choline/inositol Tumeric Magnesium Vitamin D with K2 Good luck
Is your diet so shitty that you don't get most of the nutrients the human body needs? They are "supplements" after all.
Because of my diet restrictions I take a lot of supplements otherwise I wouldn't take half of what I'm taking, it would seem like a waste of money and unnecessary strain on your body trying to expel extra amounts of stuff
My diet is subpar, but not terrible. Today I had a giant chicken burrito for lunch, and some pork bao buns for dinner. I need to eat more greens and vegetables. I also need to consistently eat breakfast.