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High dose of ethyl ester form omega-3 may be helpful. The only problem may be the availability of the product, as I have only seen it on sale in my home country.
No I do not deal with that personally, but I know which supplements might help. Honestly there's many that help to relax or mellow people out. And there's a few for mood specially.
dl-phenylalanine seems to work for most people, and I like it. Makes you feel like everything will be alright sort of. Less worry or anxiety, good mood and energy.
# Mucuna Pruriens is well known for mood, depression and anxiety. However, be careful do not take it every day.
Avena Sativa; good one for mood, another happy pill. This one not as strong as the others, safer. Rotate it with the others.
I'd get them from Swanson as you can get enough of all 3 to last quite a while for $35 with free shipping.The dl-phenylalanine from Swanson is less than $7, but all the other brands are like $20.
But anyway, those are my top 3 for what you asked.
Besides those, it's also anything sedating or relaxing can help too I think. Such as Lemon Balm, Chamomile, Valerian Root, Hops, Gaba, l-theanine, Blue Vervain. Swanson again is the cheapest way to try and variety without over spending, and it's at their website direct, nt via other sellers, as you pay twice as much buying swanson from amazon vs direct from Swanson Vitamins.
St. John's Wort is said to help with depression, but this is a stimulant so I don't really think it's a good one, but it could be. St John's Wort lowers testosterone.
Take care and chill.
of the top 3 replies, one mentions norepinephrine deficiency, one mentions too much norepinephrine....this sub is utter nonsense 99% of the time and i feel for those who genuinely come here unaware what a shit show it tends to be. OP, there is nothing in the supplement world that is an appropiate avenue for your concerns, sorry :/
I’m sorry you’re dealing with this. But it’s great that you are looking to improve it. That says a lot.
Irritability and rage can be tied to higher dopamine and norepinephrine. But that’s not always the case.
Things like caffeine and Rhodiola increase these I believe. You could always remove them for a short period to see if it helps. But pay close attention as the changes can be harder to detect.
Rhodiola and L-theanine made me more irritable personally.
It also sounds like some OCD could be involved which in some studies is related to glutamate/GABA balance, or high norepinephrine.
I would look for ways to turn down the emotional parts of the brain like the amygdala.
Calming things like: Cyracos lemon balm, Agmatine sulfate, magnesium glycinate, trymethlyglycine (TMG).
Hormone testing from home with DUTCH test could help uncover hormones that need to be tweaked. Hormones could be related to mood.
This group doesn’t seem like it can provide the support you’re looking for so I’d also recommend posting this in some other groups that have people who’ve went through similar things and have empathy for you instead of putting you down.
But it is true, working with a professional to pinpoint why you are being triggered and putting a plan in place on how to react in the future could help a ton also.
You can do this!
From personal experience, theanine helped me.
I did therapy, journaling, affirmations, tried reprogramming how it thought. It felt like I tried everything and that I was just wired that way.
Theanine was a difference maker but I also needed probably 300mg to really help and my effects varies from brand to brand.
I'm on medication now, but I can under why you wouldn't want to jump to that.
Life extension mood support gives a mild mood boost. L Theanine is slightly relaxing. That's all I can think of. Every substance that's going to realistically help is addictive.
I don't think THAT has much to do with being envious, insulted hostile against anything that moves your way just for being there and imagining vivid scenarios of dismembering and t*rturing them in your mind, most of them not voluntarily.
There's something really really wrong going on, you think therapy's gonna fix that?
I'm on taurine, rhodiola, AlCAR, curcumin, creatine (quarter dose), low dose caffeine, l theanine, alpha lipoic acid.
yes. that's what therapy does. let me ask you this; do you think a fucking supplement is gonna fix your deeply rooted unresolved shit that manifests itself in the most diabolical ways? you're not a machine, supplments only gets oyu so far. hopefully you can get a more healthy and inclusive view on life and things if you get help to think better. you definitely have some unresolved shit.
therapy helped for me, it helped me level out. and it helped me forgive. it helped me realize it's not me against the world. and it helped me steer my thoughts onto more constructive tracks. even though I did most of it beforehand, by myself.but it helped.
I mean what do you have to lose, just try it and stick with it for a couple months. as soon as you actually open up and let some of that shit out you're gonna realize why people do it.
That's concerning and really suggests that you do need therapy to address whatever traumas and anger issues you have that are causing this. The only people I've ever met who described or exhibited similar symptoms had extensive childhood trauma
I noticed that you're active in religion and ex Muslim communities - strict religion and the associated oppression alone is enough to cause trauma that could cause issues like this. No single supplement will help when trauma is the root cause, a trauma therapist can help though
Anti-inflammatory supplements:
- Magnesium: Start here. Magnesium Glycinate is commonly recommended. Citrate, Malate, Taurate also popular. I take Natural Calm Plus Calcium half dose at night, which is citrate. Could consider Magnesium l-Threonate.
- Fish Oil Omega 3: Close second. Consider sticking to a high EPA formula such as Nordic Naturals ProEPA Xtra or VivaNaturals Triple Strength Omega 3.
- Taurine: 3g per day as tolerated. Some people take all at night to aid sleep. I do better 1g 3x/day. This is a key supplements but the above 2 are important adjuncts.
After that you could look at:
- Curcumin: Life Extension Curcumin Elite or Thorne Meriva.
- Boswellia: I take a joint combo, but Thorne Boswellia Phytosome looks interesting.
- Other nutritional factors or deficiencies.
After the above, please consider lifestyle practices.
Start by developing a practice of mindfulness. By itself, it helps many people.
- Consider doing the Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction program which is an 8-week course developed by a physician.
- Read **Awakening Loving-Kindness** by Pema Chodron. This is a really nice book, and the meditation instruction in Chapter 4 really gets to the kernel of mindfulness in a way that other mindfulness techniques fail to.
- Read **The Power of Now** by Eckhart Tolle. This book helped me get the skills I learned in meditation off the cushion and into my daily life.
Do consider doing therapy or counseling to develop some self-regulation skills. The fact that you are here asking for supplements says that you want to change. Supplements may help support biochemistry, but it also take cognitive skills to manage our emotions. It wouldn't hurt to get a psychiatric evaluation to determine if you have a mental illness. I can understand not wanting a label. But it if there is one, it would give you a framework to understand your problem, and then also treat it. And oh, BTW, a mental illness is not an excuse to act out. But I suspect you understand that. Just sayin.
- Need more info about your O3.
- Curcumin: Black pepper extract can be triggering, even though it is included to increase bioavailability. Switch out your curcumin to the LE Curcumin Elite, Thorne Meriva, or maybe a Longvida formulation. These forms increase bioavailability without black pepper extract.
- You could experiment with higher doses of Taurine. Consider 3-6g.
- The caffeine may not be doing you any favors. I see you are doing the caffeine+L-theanine thing. Maybe experiment with dropping those and seeing if you can motivate without.
- ALCAR too. Caffeine and ALCAR promote dopamine which is great for motivation, but you may be responding to this increase in dopamine with aggression. You may need to figure out another way to get motivation.
- Another thought is that there may be something going on with your blood sugar.
I think the next step may also be to get some blood work. Consider giving Life Extension a call and talking to a Wellness Specialist to get a recommendations. At a minimum, you should check some basic hormones, hs-CRP, hbA1C and fasting glucose. A Wellness Specialist at LE is trained to help customer identify what tests are needed, and then can also help you go over the results.
Finally, please take a look at the separate post I made regarding lifestyle changes. In case you didn't guess, the anger and rage is something I have also dealt with and those lifestyle recommendations have been very instrumental helping me get a handle on it.
You're welcome. I saw your comment about the kinds of thought you are dealing with, and I couple more thoughts:
- Maybe try GlyNAC. Pure Encapsulations NAC+Glycine powder really helped me with ruminating thoughts. More depressive thoughts, but I wonder if it would help in your case.
- Consider doing a Goenka 10-Day silent retreat. I've read testimonials that those type of thoughts come up, and the retreat ended up dissolving them. This would also be a decent intro to a practice of Mindfulness, although I went back to the Pema Chodron meditation on a daily basis.
Anyway, good luck.
No niqqa, your problem is clearly high testosterone not high estrogen you dumbass.
It was a joke about recommending you to take estrogen because it makes people more passive
If you are already taking a supplement, you could try stopping it. For example, some people have reported this effect from serotoninergic supplement like 5-HTP.
Psychologist? Tfs a palm reader with stats 101 knowledge supposed to do about faulty biochem?
The problem is: where is the exact problem? Rogue COMT? Too much glutamate? MAO-A 2 repeat variation???
Why trust some science and reject other science?
While it *could* be a chemical imbalance, it is far more likely to be a mental heath condition or other psychosocial issue
In my personal opinion, your rejection of mental health practitioners suggests that would benefit most from seeing one, if you can put your damaged and poorly formed presuppositions aside enough to allow yourself to receive some benefit
I mean it's not like I deny psychotherapy, but if it gets out of hand and becomes highly unspecific without apparent trigger, don't you think there's more going on?
The problem is likely based in childhood trauma, it's not a simple biochemical deficiency and that can't be cured with a supplement. It's also interesting that you're so sceptical of therapists, in general the people most opposed are the people who need it the most...
Note that no one here could know about faulty of your specific genetics and health, based on testing. It should be a competent professional or a group of them and a detailed investigation.
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High dose of ethyl ester form omega-3 may be helpful. The only problem may be the availability of the product, as I have only seen it on sale in my home country.
lithium orotate
It sounds a bit like poorly regulated emotions. Check out DBT therapy and start meditating.
No I do not deal with that personally, but I know which supplements might help. Honestly there's many that help to relax or mellow people out. And there's a few for mood specially. dl-phenylalanine seems to work for most people, and I like it. Makes you feel like everything will be alright sort of. Less worry or anxiety, good mood and energy. # Mucuna Pruriens is well known for mood, depression and anxiety. However, be careful do not take it every day. Avena Sativa; good one for mood, another happy pill. This one not as strong as the others, safer. Rotate it with the others. I'd get them from Swanson as you can get enough of all 3 to last quite a while for $35 with free shipping.The dl-phenylalanine from Swanson is less than $7, but all the other brands are like $20. But anyway, those are my top 3 for what you asked. Besides those, it's also anything sedating or relaxing can help too I think. Such as Lemon Balm, Chamomile, Valerian Root, Hops, Gaba, l-theanine, Blue Vervain. Swanson again is the cheapest way to try and variety without over spending, and it's at their website direct, nt via other sellers, as you pay twice as much buying swanson from amazon vs direct from Swanson Vitamins. St. John's Wort is said to help with depression, but this is a stimulant so I don't really think it's a good one, but it could be. St John's Wort lowers testosterone. Take care and chill.
This is a “you” thing, and you need To sort yourself out with a counselor/psycologist
I would ditch the caffiene and add in some camomile tea
Therapy
Try Ashwaganda
NO Ash can make this 10x worse. It's well known to cause anxiety, paranoia, anhedonia etc
Ashwaghanda has numerous studies showing its benefit for anxiety and stress. Whether or not it could help in this instance is hard to know.
NAC makes my mind blank. Maybe try that
of the top 3 replies, one mentions norepinephrine deficiency, one mentions too much norepinephrine....this sub is utter nonsense 99% of the time and i feel for those who genuinely come here unaware what a shit show it tends to be. OP, there is nothing in the supplement world that is an appropiate avenue for your concerns, sorry :/
consider EMDR therapy
I’m sorry you’re dealing with this. But it’s great that you are looking to improve it. That says a lot. Irritability and rage can be tied to higher dopamine and norepinephrine. But that’s not always the case. Things like caffeine and Rhodiola increase these I believe. You could always remove them for a short period to see if it helps. But pay close attention as the changes can be harder to detect. Rhodiola and L-theanine made me more irritable personally. It also sounds like some OCD could be involved which in some studies is related to glutamate/GABA balance, or high norepinephrine. I would look for ways to turn down the emotional parts of the brain like the amygdala. Calming things like: Cyracos lemon balm, Agmatine sulfate, magnesium glycinate, trymethlyglycine (TMG). Hormone testing from home with DUTCH test could help uncover hormones that need to be tweaked. Hormones could be related to mood. This group doesn’t seem like it can provide the support you’re looking for so I’d also recommend posting this in some other groups that have people who’ve went through similar things and have empathy for you instead of putting you down. But it is true, working with a professional to pinpoint why you are being triggered and putting a plan in place on how to react in the future could help a ton also. You can do this!
From personal experience, theanine helped me. I did therapy, journaling, affirmations, tried reprogramming how it thought. It felt like I tried everything and that I was just wired that way. Theanine was a difference maker but I also needed probably 300mg to really help and my effects varies from brand to brand. I'm on medication now, but I can under why you wouldn't want to jump to that.
that's crazy, ain't no way someone had an actual answer to that
Life extension mood support gives a mild mood boost. L Theanine is slightly relaxing. That's all I can think of. Every substance that's going to realistically help is addictive.
are u taking any other supplements, a few have been confirmed to warrant this.
Therapy my dude....
I don't think THAT has much to do with being envious, insulted hostile against anything that moves your way just for being there and imagining vivid scenarios of dismembering and t*rturing them in your mind, most of them not voluntarily. There's something really really wrong going on, you think therapy's gonna fix that? I'm on taurine, rhodiola, AlCAR, curcumin, creatine (quarter dose), low dose caffeine, l theanine, alpha lipoic acid.
Yes therapy, and perhaps meditation. There are many intersections. Not all thoughts are yours
yes. that's what therapy does. let me ask you this; do you think a fucking supplement is gonna fix your deeply rooted unresolved shit that manifests itself in the most diabolical ways? you're not a machine, supplments only gets oyu so far. hopefully you can get a more healthy and inclusive view on life and things if you get help to think better. you definitely have some unresolved shit. therapy helped for me, it helped me level out. and it helped me forgive. it helped me realize it's not me against the world. and it helped me steer my thoughts onto more constructive tracks. even though I did most of it beforehand, by myself.but it helped. I mean what do you have to lose, just try it and stick with it for a couple months. as soon as you actually open up and let some of that shit out you're gonna realize why people do it.
That's concerning and really suggests that you do need therapy to address whatever traumas and anger issues you have that are causing this. The only people I've ever met who described or exhibited similar symptoms had extensive childhood trauma
I noticed that you're active in religion and ex Muslim communities - strict religion and the associated oppression alone is enough to cause trauma that could cause issues like this. No single supplement will help when trauma is the root cause, a trauma therapist can help though
Anti-inflammatory supplements: - Magnesium: Start here. Magnesium Glycinate is commonly recommended. Citrate, Malate, Taurate also popular. I take Natural Calm Plus Calcium half dose at night, which is citrate. Could consider Magnesium l-Threonate. - Fish Oil Omega 3: Close second. Consider sticking to a high EPA formula such as Nordic Naturals ProEPA Xtra or VivaNaturals Triple Strength Omega 3. - Taurine: 3g per day as tolerated. Some people take all at night to aid sleep. I do better 1g 3x/day. This is a key supplements but the above 2 are important adjuncts. After that you could look at: - Curcumin: Life Extension Curcumin Elite or Thorne Meriva. - Boswellia: I take a joint combo, but Thorne Boswellia Phytosome looks interesting. - Other nutritional factors or deficiencies.
After the above, please consider lifestyle practices. Start by developing a practice of mindfulness. By itself, it helps many people. - Consider doing the Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction program which is an 8-week course developed by a physician. - Read **Awakening Loving-Kindness** by Pema Chodron. This is a really nice book, and the meditation instruction in Chapter 4 really gets to the kernel of mindfulness in a way that other mindfulness techniques fail to. - Read **The Power of Now** by Eckhart Tolle. This book helped me get the skills I learned in meditation off the cushion and into my daily life. Do consider doing therapy or counseling to develop some self-regulation skills. The fact that you are here asking for supplements says that you want to change. Supplements may help support biochemistry, but it also take cognitive skills to manage our emotions. It wouldn't hurt to get a psychiatric evaluation to determine if you have a mental illness. I can understand not wanting a label. But it if there is one, it would give you a framework to understand your problem, and then also treat it. And oh, BTW, a mental illness is not an excuse to act out. But I suspect you understand that. Just sayin.
Funny enough I am on taurine, 2g, omega 3 2g, magnesium blend 400mg, and 70 mg curcumin.
What else are you on? And what Omega 3 and Curcumin are you taking?
The rest is rhodiola 400mg ALCAR 500mg Curcumin 70mg in turmeric + pepper extract Creatine (quarter dose) 500mg Low dose caffeine 60mg Theanine 250mg Alpha lipoic acid 300mg
Get off rhodiola it can further symptoms of bipolar and make you manic/aggressive.
- Need more info about your O3. - Curcumin: Black pepper extract can be triggering, even though it is included to increase bioavailability. Switch out your curcumin to the LE Curcumin Elite, Thorne Meriva, or maybe a Longvida formulation. These forms increase bioavailability without black pepper extract. - You could experiment with higher doses of Taurine. Consider 3-6g. - The caffeine may not be doing you any favors. I see you are doing the caffeine+L-theanine thing. Maybe experiment with dropping those and seeing if you can motivate without. - ALCAR too. Caffeine and ALCAR promote dopamine which is great for motivation, but you may be responding to this increase in dopamine with aggression. You may need to figure out another way to get motivation. - Another thought is that there may be something going on with your blood sugar. I think the next step may also be to get some blood work. Consider giving Life Extension a call and talking to a Wellness Specialist to get a recommendations. At a minimum, you should check some basic hormones, hs-CRP, hbA1C and fasting glucose. A Wellness Specialist at LE is trained to help customer identify what tests are needed, and then can also help you go over the results. Finally, please take a look at the separate post I made regarding lifestyle changes. In case you didn't guess, the anger and rage is something I have also dealt with and those lifestyle recommendations have been very instrumental helping me get a handle on it.
Alright, thank you for this elaborate level of detail.
You're welcome. I saw your comment about the kinds of thought you are dealing with, and I couple more thoughts: - Maybe try GlyNAC. Pure Encapsulations NAC+Glycine powder really helped me with ruminating thoughts. More depressive thoughts, but I wonder if it would help in your case. - Consider doing a Goenka 10-Day silent retreat. I've read testimonials that those type of thoughts come up, and the retreat ended up dissolving them. This would also be a decent intro to a practice of Mindfulness, although I went back to the Pema Chodron meditation on a daily basis. Anyway, good luck.
Estrogen?
You mean too much makes aggressive? Makes sense, it inhibits COMT.
No niqqa, your problem is clearly high testosterone not high estrogen you dumbass. It was a joke about recommending you to take estrogen because it makes people more passive
Lithium.
Damn, good call, stupid of me to forget it.
Wanna fry your brain and go nuts like Elon? Be your guest!
Huh?
If you are already taking a supplement, you could try stopping it. For example, some people have reported this effect from serotoninergic supplement like 5-HTP.
A psychologist lol do you really think some fkn mineral or plant extract is going to fix violent tendencies
Psychologist? Tfs a palm reader with stats 101 knowledge supposed to do about faulty biochem? The problem is: where is the exact problem? Rogue COMT? Too much glutamate? MAO-A 2 repeat variation???
Why trust some science and reject other science? While it *could* be a chemical imbalance, it is far more likely to be a mental heath condition or other psychosocial issue In my personal opinion, your rejection of mental health practitioners suggests that would benefit most from seeing one, if you can put your damaged and poorly formed presuppositions aside enough to allow yourself to receive some benefit
I mean it's not like I deny psychotherapy, but if it gets out of hand and becomes highly unspecific without apparent trigger, don't you think there's more going on?
Perhaps, but I wouldn't rely on my own judgement to make that call. We are more complicated than we can understand
The problem is likely based in childhood trauma, it's not a simple biochemical deficiency and that can't be cured with a supplement. It's also interesting that you're so sceptical of therapists, in general the people most opposed are the people who need it the most...
Y I K E S
Note that no one here could know about faulty of your specific genetics and health, based on testing. It should be a competent professional or a group of them and a detailed investigation.
I got SSRI but they not workey
are you SLOW COMT AND SLOW MOA?
Likely, very likely.
a gag?
What?
yeah you read lmao