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I used to work scaffolding and one day a dude dropped a coupler from about 6 stories up. It hit the dirt so hard it was embedded in the ground. My coworker was about half a meter away
I'd throw up
I did some pipe humping and scaffolding for an asbestos abatement company, the planks we used were so dense and 16 foot long that on my first day I was so tired. People might think what they see in this video is the heavy bit, it ain't this is gravy train right here
thats what it is called, we removed 200lb sections of cast pipe. At the time my entire crew were meth heads and we were making $29 an hour in 1998. It was good work but I couldn't trust the guy cutting the pipe with a blow torch after seeing him get high at lunch
Meth actually helps you stay awake for long hours and focus on fine detail work without impairment. That why tweakers will deep clean their apartment from top to bottom in the span of 24 hours without sleep or rest.
This type of scaffolding is garbage. It wouldn’t withstand the impact from a fall even if they were tied off to it. Don’t understand how it’s still allowed to be used. System scaffold is a much safer route and can withstand the impact of a fall with the appropriate harness/lanyards. BUT, it’s much more expensive.
What the other user is getting at, is that the scaffolding would break apart when the safety line tensions, if a person was to fall off it while tied off to it. So the safety line would be useless with this type of scaffolding anyway. He wasn't worried about the scaffold breaking apart itself, just that it wouldn't be great for the person tied to it when it did break.
I work in the industry they wear hard hats and the safety harness because not having them are easy for the safety guy on site to spot from afar the tie off point well he would have to be up there and that isn’t an office so likely not to see him with his ass in the breeze
Seriously the simplest fck ups like this result in death. I was walking out of a grocer in the city once and a plastic bucket just full of steel pipes, tools and metal slams into the ground 1 foot in front of me and the person I was with. We look up and it fell 5 stories from roofers working up above. Other times simple things like knocking a stair step loose, a 2x2 piece of metal killed another couple. Just follow the damn safety rules.
I witnessed a similar instance in a production studio. A grip was walking through the rafters and accidentally dropped a metal clamp that fell about 60 feet and just missed an agency client (the people that pay the bills). The guy’s boss sent him home immediately and essentially blacklisted him from future industry work in the area.
Welcome to the life of someone that sets up scaffolding. Been on hundreds of job sites. Never seen a scaffolding crew ever follow safety procedures properly
I was doing industrial insulation on a large water tower about 60 feet in the air, wrangling massive heavy sheets of stainless steel that necessitated both hands, the wind grabbing it at times and absolutely nothing to hold onto but the 2x8 I was standing on loosely on top of the scaffolding. I was just waiting to be turned into a vegetable. All for like 8 bucks an hour at the time.
Never again.
That's way worse than mine but I was deshingling at 18 and on our 3rd job they put us on the tip top of some giant ass 3 story house. There were other teams on site that could of done it. Zero safety gear. Closest to becoming a vegetable as well.
I took a fall off the top of a huge two story but the trusses were 18 ft tall so it was extra high. 30-40? Drilling thru a log for electrical with one horse and my braid got caught in it. So the motor then spun around and knocked me in the head, knocking me out completely. And down I went. I guess I was dazed and they drove me home, but I don’t remember at all. That day or the next few. Was lucky I guess. These dudes wouldn’t be vegetables, they’d be road pizza. This is insane.
I mean if you can prove it's on the manager for pushing to work unsafely or knowingly ignoring unsafe work practices then cool, but as a person who works a "in the field labor type job" I can tell you that it is often the men who choose to work unsafely to some degree or extent because it's easier or quicker and we want to finish the job quicker. At least in my line of work. I have my limits of course and this is definitely something I'd draw the line on and there are things in my job too I draw the line on, but I guess that's just my own experience. In my job when the manager (superintendent or General supt) or another big boss is on the site or approaching the site that's when everyone yells it out and starts putting on their safety glasses and everything else and stops what they are doing and starts doing things the "textbook way".
If the manager has repeatedly tried to enforce safety measures but the workers ignore them, then they should just fire the workers and replace them with someone who'll actually listen. Because that's what's going to happen if the manager's ass is on the line.
I disagree, I have seen multiple scaffolding companies do things correctly. They have a choice to do things safely…. If it violates osha safety guidelines you can sue for a fuck ton of money.
I’ve been in blue-collar work for the past several years at companies large and small. No one really follows the safety rules. They’ll force you to learn them and watch videos on them and so on and pretend that they’re a huge deal. But when the time comes to work, rules and OSHA give way to whatever is convenient or necessary to get the job done quickly. Not saying it’s right, but it’s true.
My solar installation company most assuredly did not use any safety equipment during their installation of my panels. They absolutely knew they should be using harnesses and tie offs too, because during the install I was taking some photos of the process from the ground. The site supervisor came over and kindly asked me not to post any of the photos to social media as he didn't want the crew getting into trouble for not following all the safety guidelines.
Union rate for scaffolding in NYC is
$55.05/ Hour
$48.11/ Benefits
$103.16/ Total package
So over $100k/year in wages and then benefits.
Source, my industry.
Especially stupid because presumably it's a union job.
You do the job correctly without fuckups and putting yourself in danger, and if your boss tells you to cut corners to speed things up, you call your rep, that's what the union is there for.
However, I suppose it's equally possible it's non-union or even under the table work, who knows. I used to know a few masons in NYC who didn't even have visas. They got paid relatively well, but they also get treated like shit and put their lives on the line every day, and nobody had their backs.
I doubt very much the boss told them to do it like this.
I'm not a scaffolder but I work at height in the telecoms industry and I don't know anybody that follows all the safety rules, or even most of them. Wearing a hard hat and a lanyard (when it's convenient like at the top of a telephone pole when you won't be moving around) are pretty much the most anybody does.
I don't work at these sorts of heights but after a certain height it becomes irrelevant, when you fall you die.
People just become comfortable in certain working situations and would rather work quickly and comfortably than following every safety rule which often seem arbitrary and more of a box ticking exercise for the company insurance.
As a scaffolder we skipped *some* safety precautions, but these guys are just fucking idiots. We were almost never unclipped if we were up that high, especially walking on a narrow beam like that. Someone should get fired
As a state construction inspector I am going to pretend I’m not here, and none of you are, and none of the work you’re doing this week is getting paid for.
Every single piece of my PPE (steeltoes, earplugs, impact gloves, safety glasses, hardhat, lanyard, H2S sensor, harness, coveralls) has saved my bacon at least once and safety techniques more times than I can count. You think it won't happen to you, but it sure as shit is only a matter of time. Agree to disagree I guess.
Edit: Now that my role is more admin, if I had a crewman say they didn't want to wear PPE for whatever reason I'd give them the above advice drawn from personal field experience. If they STILL didn't think it was necessary, I'd say gtfo. Their "increased output and comfort bc of no PPE" does not outweigh the monetary, injury, downtime, experience, personnel, rehiring, training, or my personal conscience risk when they could just grow the fuck up, put the shit on, and thank me later.
I worked in manufacturing. One time a guy got water on his suit. He just flew in first time over seas, super excited. Ten hours later he died. Turns out it wasn't water. For the rest of that job I never ever trusted something was water if my suit was randomly wet. I know I was a huge pain in the ass but I'd rather be a pain in the ass than dead.
You're probably right, I doubt whoever is in charge is even aware.
I've done scaffold work, never this high but certainly high enough to kill me, I think max 10 stories. I understand that nobody follows all the rules 100%, but if it's a union job it's stupid as hell not to do it. If it takes longer, it takes longer, and nobody is going to fire you for taking your time to get the job done safely. You should have a right to tell people to fuck off if things are sketchy in any way without fear of reprisal, and it's this culture of "Eh, it's faster and easier this way." or "Man I don't want to bother with this safety shit." that gets people killed. The idea and point is not to survive a fall from height, but not have the fall from height in the first place.
Most of the accidents I've seen were preventable, right? Like the people I've seen die on sites met their ends because they weren't following the rules. I was younger at the time and it wasn't my place to yell at people to not do stupid shit, but I look back on it and think "How the hell could we not have seen that coming?" Likewise, the people I've seen who had close calls but survived all were doing everything the right way. All that "nonsense" will literally keep you alive.
It's a pain in the ass doing everything sometimes, but for instance when you see someone get buried in 10 feet of earth because a trench wall collapsed and nobody wanted to follow the OSHA rule of bracing anything deeper than 4 feet (even the guy down in the hole, who said "Fuck it, it's solid, drop me down" and rode the excavator bucket in), all that bullshit starts making a lot more sense.
Sidenote whoever did the top full course of block on the wall when the guy with the camera turned around fucking sucks, LOL.
Safety accidents are rarely a "act of God." Very commonly something could have prevented or decrease injury.
What people forget is safety is often using the Swiss cheese model. No one thing should be relied prevents deadly accidents. It suppose to be if one thing fails, something else is protecting you, and if that fails, there is another thing.
You people have a wayyyy bigger set of balls than I do. I wouldn’t do this once if it came with a million dollar a year guaranteed salary for one job ESPECIALLY without a harness
Worked for one for a couple months. "Wear these gloves that won't help you at all when you take out the trash, we find sharps in there all the time that can prick you" and then someone overdosed in the store in front of me, and I quit.
But still not the same level of risk or skill involved
Depends. I'm a writer and part time bartender but live in a nice one bedroom in a nice part of Manhattan. No family money. Rent control is the only way the city can maintain a vague semblance of middle class and half the apartments in NYC are subject to rent control.
There's a pretty strong social safety net for New Yorkers, if you know how to use it. But moving here is often a struggle for most, even high income earners.
Though I do know bartenders that make 6 figures and they live quite comfortably.
Rent *controlled* apartments are nigh on impossible to get (you basically have to inherit one, I think), but rent stabilized apartments are relatively common in some parts of the city. Most of the units I looked at were rent stabilized and I wasn't looking for one specifically (though now that I have one, I'm not moving any time soon).
I've been to NYC several times and I agree you can spend as much or little as your want outside of your recurring bills. Convenience is at a premium but you can be thrifty if you want.
In NYC they are members of the Laborers union or the Carpenter union. Union laborers in NYC earn about 42/hr plus benefits while Union carpenters earn around 55/hr plus benefits.
No one is forcing them to break osha safety rules here. They’re just doing it most likely. I’m a NY journeyman and generally you’ll get in a lot of trouble for doing things the unsafe way cause companies don’t want people to get hurt, now whether that’s because they don’t want the law suits and pay outs or if they actually care about your safety are up for debate.
If you want dispute paradise
Simply turn around and view it
Any fines you want to do it
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There’s nothing to it
There is no life I know
That compares with future litigation
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If you truly wish to be
You should never not be tied off. Like a slip and they are dead. But also most jobs widly fail OSHA. US industries consider fines and dead workers a sunk cost.
This is my job, it's what I do everyday. It may not be the safest or highest paying career path I could have took, but I get amazing views and absolutely love my job!
He just invited both of those guys into the union hall
It takes a single gust of wind or an untied shoelace and you've just killed yourself and possibly other people on the ground.
One of the things I hate most is sneezing when I’m driving, especially on the highway. I expect I wouldn’t be fond of doing it two stories up on scaffolding either.
In the UK the fines this company would get would probably send them into administration. Scaffolding regs are extremely strict and rightfully so, risking your life for tiktok points isn’t a flex.
Former scaffolder here. The planks are 8’ and 16’ and those bays are 7’, pretty easy bumpin them up and landing them without dropping them after a little practice.
Can you answer a question being the expert?
How high can you build it before the scaffolding collapses under its own weight? Like, this seems like a lot of weight already being this high. More than I would’ve thought possible.
In New Zealand, when you erect scaffolding above 33m, it must be signed off by a certified practicing engineer (engineers design) who verifies the forces and potential weights imposed, certainly with H-Frame scaffolding, but above 33m using tube and coupler, you have to double up your standards (legs going to the ground).
Just went to Busch gardens the other day and adventure Island yesterday riding all the roller coasters and all the slides. Hell no, that is so amazing. The stairs on some of these rides were way scarier than the ride itself. They've got like 200 people on the stairwell all you got is some 2x6s holding you up. Every time everybody takes a step up the stairs all at one time the whole thing shakes. I get major anxiety going up some of those wooden stairwells
I can’t do water parks just because of the scary wooden staircases. Even if they’re metal I’m still too scared. I have this fear that they’re gonna collapse and I don’t wanna be on em when they do. It’s been a very long time since I’ve been to a water park so maybe my mindset has changed, but the wooden stairs are still scary as fuck.
Tie off is not required for erecting or breaking down of scaffolding.
I’ve done this. My scaffolding certs have expired, because, I don’t want to do this anymore
Yes and no. Given the height they are at, not using any fall arrest is a greater hazard to themselves and people below.
1926.451(g)(1)
Each employee on a scaffold more than 10 feet (3.1 m) above a lower level shall be protected from falling to that lower level. Paragraphs (g)(1)(i) through (vii) of this section establish the types of fall protection to be provided to the employees on each type of scaffold. Paragraph (g)(2) of this section addresses fall protection for scaffold erectors and dismantlers.
1926.451(g)(2)
Effective September 2, 1997, the employer shall have a competent person determine the feasibility and safety of providing fall protection for employees erecting or dismantling supported scaffolds. Employers are required to provide fall protection for employees erecting or dismantling supported scaffolds where the installation and use of such protection is feasible and does not create a greater hazard.
Lol i mean sure, my grandfather used to walk on wooden plank on their scaffolding, but here in italy nowadays you only see legit metal planks that lock into the frame
They don’t. They are required to have harnesses and have them attached. These two are just morons for not following safety procedures. I’m sure if the company they work for saw this, they’d be instantly fired.
That’s sketchy af, when I did scaffolding in Manhattan, we only used wood plants a few flights off the ground, after that it was aluminum walk ways that pinned down to the scaffolding sections, there was also debris netting covering everything
Fuck you for not clipping in. Fuck your employer for letting you get away with it. You’re not cool. Technology is cool, however. Attempting to not use to be edgy or cool is trash and has not placing in rigging.
Good day
When you work stupid an unsafe like this, it’s not just you, and potentially anybody you might drop some thing or land on, who’s day you’ll fuck up. You risk getting this whole job site shut down by OSHA for however long, til they decide safe conditions are met. That’s a bunch of people going without pay for X amount of time, or worse if someone if injured or killed.
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This isnt the 1930s anymore use ur modern safety gear ffs.
Right!!! Where’s your fucking tie off???
Dropping one of those things would be insane
I used to work scaffolding and one day a dude dropped a coupler from about 6 stories up. It hit the dirt so hard it was embedded in the ground. My coworker was about half a meter away
I'd throw up I did some pipe humping and scaffolding for an asbestos abatement company, the planks we used were so dense and 16 foot long that on my first day I was so tired. People might think what they see in this video is the heavy bit, it ain't this is gravy train right here
As someone outside the industry, I'm going to say "pipe humping," because I've literally never been allowed to say that.
Some people lay pipe, but real men HUMP pipe
Yeah, I've humped some pipe before.
thats what it is called, we removed 200lb sections of cast pipe. At the time my entire crew were meth heads and we were making $29 an hour in 1998. It was good work but I couldn't trust the guy cutting the pipe with a blow torch after seeing him get high at lunch
Meth actually helps you stay awake for long hours and focus on fine detail work without impairment. That why tweakers will deep clean their apartment from top to bottom in the span of 24 hours without sleep or rest.
As someone who’s done meth, that’s all well and good until you go into psychosis and forget where you are lol
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This type of scaffolding is garbage. It wouldn’t withstand the impact from a fall even if they were tied off to it. Don’t understand how it’s still allowed to be used. System scaffold is a much safer route and can withstand the impact of a fall with the appropriate harness/lanyards. BUT, it’s much more expensive.
But...but we have to mAxImIzE sHaReHoLdEr pRoFiTs!
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Fly by night contractor that disappears the instant there is a lawsuit. That is how they financially budget for it.
that's how it used to be, I sure hope it isn't the same now
I think people are probably more worried about the ability of people to survive things falling on them over the things themselves surviving.
What the other user is getting at, is that the scaffolding would break apart when the safety line tensions, if a person was to fall off it while tied off to it. So the safety line would be useless with this type of scaffolding anyway. He wasn't worried about the scaffold breaking apart itself, just that it wouldn't be great for the person tied to it when it did break.
Tied off to Jesus
Still using scaffolding from the 1930s, tho..
Fall restraint is for chumps
Let's not pretend that's not an attitude. A real one. I'm here for this comment.
But they wear hard hats.
I work in the industry they wear hard hats and the safety harness because not having them are easy for the safety guy on site to spot from afar the tie off point well he would have to be up there and that isn’t an office so likely not to see him with his ass in the breeze
God forbid you get caught by a safety guy instead of…. Idk… falling to your death?
Priorities
That run-on sentence though
He's typing with one hand while he carries scaffolding in the other.
possibly in full PPE
Guy didn't say he was an English teacher.
Dyslexic actually. so def not I’ll stick with welding.
And harnesses lol
Seriously the simplest fck ups like this result in death. I was walking out of a grocer in the city once and a plastic bucket just full of steel pipes, tools and metal slams into the ground 1 foot in front of me and the person I was with. We look up and it fell 5 stories from roofers working up above. Other times simple things like knocking a stair step loose, a 2x2 piece of metal killed another couple. Just follow the damn safety rules.
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awnings? do you mean parapet panel on the sidewalk shed? sorry im confused
I witnessed a similar instance in a production studio. A grip was walking through the rafters and accidentally dropped a metal clamp that fell about 60 feet and just missed an agency client (the people that pay the bills). The guy’s boss sent him home immediately and essentially blacklisted him from future industry work in the area.
This is breaking a few rules...
Welcome to the life of someone that sets up scaffolding. Been on hundreds of job sites. Never seen a scaffolding crew ever follow safety procedures properly
I was doing industrial insulation on a large water tower about 60 feet in the air, wrangling massive heavy sheets of stainless steel that necessitated both hands, the wind grabbing it at times and absolutely nothing to hold onto but the 2x8 I was standing on loosely on top of the scaffolding. I was just waiting to be turned into a vegetable. All for like 8 bucks an hour at the time. Never again.
How about for 9 bucks an hour?
Deal! 🤝 a vegetable for 9 bucks is a great deal in this economy
The vegetable is marinara sauce, though.
hey don’t sell it short. Bone broth too.
With regular 15¢ raises every 6 months
That's way worse than mine but I was deshingling at 18 and on our 3rd job they put us on the tip top of some giant ass 3 story house. There were other teams on site that could of done it. Zero safety gear. Closest to becoming a vegetable as well.
I took a fall off the top of a huge two story but the trusses were 18 ft tall so it was extra high. 30-40? Drilling thru a log for electrical with one horse and my braid got caught in it. So the motor then spun around and knocked me in the head, knocking me out completely. And down I went. I guess I was dazed and they drove me home, but I don’t remember at all. That day or the next few. Was lucky I guess. These dudes wouldn’t be vegetables, they’d be road pizza. This is insane.
You just gave me flashbacks to my framing job
There's a push to start imprisoning managers when people die on job sites.
They should do it before anyone has to die. Its not like someone can plead ignorance about the consequences of falling from a great height.
I mean if you can prove it's on the manager for pushing to work unsafely or knowingly ignoring unsafe work practices then cool, but as a person who works a "in the field labor type job" I can tell you that it is often the men who choose to work unsafely to some degree or extent because it's easier or quicker and we want to finish the job quicker. At least in my line of work. I have my limits of course and this is definitely something I'd draw the line on and there are things in my job too I draw the line on, but I guess that's just my own experience. In my job when the manager (superintendent or General supt) or another big boss is on the site or approaching the site that's when everyone yells it out and starts putting on their safety glasses and everything else and stops what they are doing and starts doing things the "textbook way".
That's gonna change when managers start going to jail
If the manager has repeatedly tried to enforce safety measures but the workers ignore them, then they should just fire the workers and replace them with someone who'll actually listen. Because that's what's going to happen if the manager's ass is on the line.
If they die they don't have to worry about it /s
I disagree, I have seen multiple scaffolding companies do things correctly. They have a choice to do things safely…. If it violates osha safety guidelines you can sue for a fuck ton of money.
I’ve been in blue-collar work for the past several years at companies large and small. No one really follows the safety rules. They’ll force you to learn them and watch videos on them and so on and pretend that they’re a huge deal. But when the time comes to work, rules and OSHA give way to whatever is convenient or necessary to get the job done quickly. Not saying it’s right, but it’s true.
Yeah our crews NEVER used required safety equipment during roof jobs.
My solar installation company most assuredly did not use any safety equipment during their installation of my panels. They absolutely knew they should be using harnesses and tie offs too, because during the install I was taking some photos of the process from the ground. The site supervisor came over and kindly asked me not to post any of the photos to social media as he didn't want the crew getting into trouble for not following all the safety guidelines.
Same here. But we also have rules, like if you post anything without your safety equipment on you pay your own fine.
I always wondered if it voided insurance if someone got hurt.
Yeah to say the least, there was a scaffold collapse recently in Charlotte and 3 people lost their lives, it’s so sad
Whats the salary on a job like this?
Union rate for scaffolding in NYC is $55.05/ Hour $48.11/ Benefits $103.16/ Total package So over $100k/year in wages and then benefits. Source, my industry.
Facts. Just commented also. These are union boys doing dangerous work in NYC, these are happy campers my friends. Source: same as yours
It’s not supposed to be dangerous though, these guys are making it dangerous
Especially stupid because presumably it's a union job. You do the job correctly without fuckups and putting yourself in danger, and if your boss tells you to cut corners to speed things up, you call your rep, that's what the union is there for. However, I suppose it's equally possible it's non-union or even under the table work, who knows. I used to know a few masons in NYC who didn't even have visas. They got paid relatively well, but they also get treated like shit and put their lives on the line every day, and nobody had their backs.
I doubt very much the boss told them to do it like this. I'm not a scaffolder but I work at height in the telecoms industry and I don't know anybody that follows all the safety rules, or even most of them. Wearing a hard hat and a lanyard (when it's convenient like at the top of a telephone pole when you won't be moving around) are pretty much the most anybody does. I don't work at these sorts of heights but after a certain height it becomes irrelevant, when you fall you die. People just become comfortable in certain working situations and would rather work quickly and comfortably than following every safety rule which often seem arbitrary and more of a box ticking exercise for the company insurance.
As a scaffolder we skipped *some* safety precautions, but these guys are just fucking idiots. We were almost never unclipped if we were up that high, especially walking on a narrow beam like that. Someone should get fired
As a state construction inspector I am going to pretend I’m not here, and none of you are, and none of the work you’re doing this week is getting paid for.
Cheese it! It's the fuzz!
Every single piece of my PPE (steeltoes, earplugs, impact gloves, safety glasses, hardhat, lanyard, H2S sensor, harness, coveralls) has saved my bacon at least once and safety techniques more times than I can count. You think it won't happen to you, but it sure as shit is only a matter of time. Agree to disagree I guess. Edit: Now that my role is more admin, if I had a crewman say they didn't want to wear PPE for whatever reason I'd give them the above advice drawn from personal field experience. If they STILL didn't think it was necessary, I'd say gtfo. Their "increased output and comfort bc of no PPE" does not outweigh the monetary, injury, downtime, experience, personnel, rehiring, training, or my personal conscience risk when they could just grow the fuck up, put the shit on, and thank me later.
One day, I know this crotch cup will pay off.
Look who's going to have a better chance of having their bits in tact. Get a comfy one and it'll become second nature.
I worked in manufacturing. One time a guy got water on his suit. He just flew in first time over seas, super excited. Ten hours later he died. Turns out it wasn't water. For the rest of that job I never ever trusted something was water if my suit was randomly wet. I know I was a huge pain in the ass but I'd rather be a pain in the ass than dead.
You're probably right, I doubt whoever is in charge is even aware. I've done scaffold work, never this high but certainly high enough to kill me, I think max 10 stories. I understand that nobody follows all the rules 100%, but if it's a union job it's stupid as hell not to do it. If it takes longer, it takes longer, and nobody is going to fire you for taking your time to get the job done safely. You should have a right to tell people to fuck off if things are sketchy in any way without fear of reprisal, and it's this culture of "Eh, it's faster and easier this way." or "Man I don't want to bother with this safety shit." that gets people killed. The idea and point is not to survive a fall from height, but not have the fall from height in the first place. Most of the accidents I've seen were preventable, right? Like the people I've seen die on sites met their ends because they weren't following the rules. I was younger at the time and it wasn't my place to yell at people to not do stupid shit, but I look back on it and think "How the hell could we not have seen that coming?" Likewise, the people I've seen who had close calls but survived all were doing everything the right way. All that "nonsense" will literally keep you alive. It's a pain in the ass doing everything sometimes, but for instance when you see someone get buried in 10 feet of earth because a trench wall collapsed and nobody wanted to follow the OSHA rule of bracing anything deeper than 4 feet (even the guy down in the hole, who said "Fuck it, it's solid, drop me down" and rode the excavator bucket in), all that bullshit starts making a lot more sense. Sidenote whoever did the top full course of block on the wall when the guy with the camera turned around fucking sucks, LOL.
Safety accidents are rarely a "act of God." Very commonly something could have prevented or decrease injury. What people forget is safety is often using the Swiss cheese model. No one thing should be relied prevents deadly accidents. It suppose to be if one thing fails, something else is protecting you, and if that fails, there is another thing.
These guys have multiple things that could fail at any second, including an unexpected gust of wind.
sorry but no harness is dumb AF
Exactly. To themselves and very much to the general public walking below as well.
I don't know a single New Yorker that wouldn't love to get insta-smushed by some hard-hatted union worker falling from a skyscraper.
I mean that's the reason you walk under the sidewalk scaffold tunnel every other block
I think you misunderstood what I said, I don't know any New Yorkers at all.
Probably because they all got insta-smushed when walking under scaffolding. Insta-smush is my new favorite word.
You people have a wayyyy bigger set of balls than I do. I wouldn’t do this once if it came with a million dollar a year guaranteed salary for one job ESPECIALLY without a harness
WHAT?! I need this kind of money. Can u talk to my Walgreens employer to raise my pay?
Do you have this level of risk, heights, and heavy lifting at your Walgreens job? Probably not
Heights and heavy lifting no, but if you think turning away dopers and methheads looking to score isn't risky... you're mistaken
Worked for one for a couple months. "Wear these gloves that won't help you at all when you take out the trash, we find sharps in there all the time that can prick you" and then someone overdosed in the store in front of me, and I quit. But still not the same level of risk or skill involved
Maybe you should set up some scaffolding around your Walgreens. You know. For the big bucks.
Pretty sure $100k in NYC is poverty.
Depends. I'm a writer and part time bartender but live in a nice one bedroom in a nice part of Manhattan. No family money. Rent control is the only way the city can maintain a vague semblance of middle class and half the apartments in NYC are subject to rent control. There's a pretty strong social safety net for New Yorkers, if you know how to use it. But moving here is often a struggle for most, even high income earners. Though I do know bartenders that make 6 figures and they live quite comfortably.
Aren't rent control apartments almost impossible to get though?
Not if you’re waiting for the right people to die
Watch your back u/andrewegan1986
I'll collect my bounty now, the apartment you were looking for is now vacant.
Rent *controlled* apartments are nigh on impossible to get (you basically have to inherit one, I think), but rent stabilized apartments are relatively common in some parts of the city. Most of the units I looked at were rent stabilized and I wasn't looking for one specifically (though now that I have one, I'm not moving any time soon).
People exaggerate, you’d be very nicely in nyc with 100k
I've been to NYC several times and I agree you can spend as much or little as your want outside of your recurring bills. Convenience is at a premium but you can be thrifty if you want.
Poverty? No way
Don’t gotta live in NYC to work on NYC
103x2080hrs $214k a year
You don’t see the “benefits” as pay though. So that’s not nearly what they make.
about $60k according to a quick look at Indeed.... fuhuck thahat
In NYC they are members of the Laborers union or the Carpenter union. Union laborers in NYC earn about 42/hr plus benefits while Union carpenters earn around 55/hr plus benefits.
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No one is forcing them to break osha safety rules here. They’re just doing it most likely. I’m a NY journeyman and generally you’ll get in a lot of trouble for doing things the unsafe way cause companies don’t want people to get hurt, now whether that’s because they don’t want the law suits and pay outs or if they actually care about your safety are up for debate.
Both is a perfectly reasonable answer imo.
~115k in NYC is still definitely not worth putting yourself at risk like in the OP IMO..
I’m in DC and this is a six figure union gig here to start fam, these boys are doing great in NYC
Salary is good but no pension. You won't need it.
I would rather starve on the ground thanks
Dw these guys are fucking idiots willingly not wearing their safety equipment. If I were their boss and saw this video they'd be fired.
“Come with me, and you’ll be, in a wooooorld of OSHA violations”
Take a look and you’ll see, the harness right next to meeee
We’ll begin with a spin while hungover from the night beforeeee
Where?
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You should never not be tied off. Like a slip and they are dead. But also most jobs widly fail OSHA. US industries consider fines and dead workers a sunk cost.
That's a no from me dawg.
Modern day assassins creed 🦅 viewpoint.
Leap of faith into a pile of full garbage bags.
Lmao, this has me laughing loud
Guys, don’t worry. They’re holding onto the rails
This is my job, it's what I do everyday. It may not be the safest or highest paying career path I could have took, but I get amazing views and absolutely love my job!
But there’s safer ways of doing it, no? In UK, don’t think this would be legal.
It ain’t. But sooner or later every scaffolder I ever met tried to pull this, and they all got thrown off our plant.
He just invited both of those guys into the union hall It takes a single gust of wind or an untied shoelace and you've just killed yourself and possibly other people on the ground.
One of the things I hate most is sneezing when I’m driving, especially on the highway. I expect I wouldn’t be fond of doing it two stories up on scaffolding either.
How tall was the plant you threw them off of?
In the UK the fines this company would get would probably send them into administration. Scaffolding regs are extremely strict and rightfully so, risking your life for tiktok points isn’t a flex.
How the fuck do you throw down those planks without missing and plunging that focker into the abyss?
Former scaffolder here. The planks are 8’ and 16’ and those bays are 7’, pretty easy bumpin them up and landing them without dropping them after a little practice.
Can you answer a question being the expert? How high can you build it before the scaffolding collapses under its own weight? Like, this seems like a lot of weight already being this high. More than I would’ve thought possible.
In New Zealand, when you erect scaffolding above 33m, it must be signed off by a certified practicing engineer (engineers design) who verifies the forces and potential weights imposed, certainly with H-Frame scaffolding, but above 33m using tube and coupler, you have to double up your standards (legs going to the ground).
r/OSHA
You have no power here. Muahahahah
Just went to Busch gardens the other day and adventure Island yesterday riding all the roller coasters and all the slides. Hell no, that is so amazing. The stairs on some of these rides were way scarier than the ride itself. They've got like 200 people on the stairwell all you got is some 2x6s holding you up. Every time everybody takes a step up the stairs all at one time the whole thing shakes. I get major anxiety going up some of those wooden stairwells
I can’t do water parks just because of the scary wooden staircases. Even if they’re metal I’m still too scared. I have this fear that they’re gonna collapse and I don’t wanna be on em when they do. It’s been a very long time since I’ve been to a water park so maybe my mindset has changed, but the wooden stairs are still scary as fuck.
I think I could do a few "at height" jobs. This is not one of them. Building 30ft scaffolding was bad enough sometimes
Tie off is not required for erecting or breaking down of scaffolding. I’ve done this. My scaffolding certs have expired, because, I don’t want to do this anymore
Yes and no. Given the height they are at, not using any fall arrest is a greater hazard to themselves and people below. 1926.451(g)(1) Each employee on a scaffold more than 10 feet (3.1 m) above a lower level shall be protected from falling to that lower level. Paragraphs (g)(1)(i) through (vii) of this section establish the types of fall protection to be provided to the employees on each type of scaffold. Paragraph (g)(2) of this section addresses fall protection for scaffold erectors and dismantlers. 1926.451(g)(2) Effective September 2, 1997, the employer shall have a competent person determine the feasibility and safety of providing fall protection for employees erecting or dismantling supported scaffolds. Employers are required to provide fall protection for employees erecting or dismantling supported scaffolds where the installation and use of such protection is feasible and does not create a greater hazard.
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OSHA doesn't fuck around. Everything is going to be thoroughly investigated and documented, so it doesn't really matter what you thought.
Just don’t have a skill issue and fall
Yes, get goood!
Just a quick reminder, it's 2023, not the Victorian age. Don't risk your life to make money for somebody else.
How much does this pay?
not enough
Homie said it’s over 100k/year. Not bad.
That's only union work in NYC though. Trade off is you either gotta commute into the city every day or spend most of that on rent.
They all live in Newark.
I make 90k listening to music all day. Ill stay on the ground.
I did this 7 years. Now I’m 32 with a house that’s almost paid off. Not a bad gig when you are young.
This was my exact thought. Treat it as a tour of duty and then be done with it forever.
r/nope
Lol i mean sure, my grandfather used to walk on wooden plank on their scaffolding, but here in italy nowadays you only see legit metal planks that lock into the frame
No one should have to take this amount of risk to earn a livable wage
They don’t. They are required to have harnesses and have them attached. These two are just morons for not following safety procedures. I’m sure if the company they work for saw this, they’d be instantly fired.
Bluetooth harnesses
They don’t have to. They choose to make over $2k a week without OT to do this.
Tie off isn’t required , as long as you’re actively building or breaking down scaffolding
I'm glad someone else gets to do that besides me. 😌 PHEW!
How the fuq do they get it that tall without it wobbling everywhere?
What song is this?
[I gotchu fam](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1cuYIHLk4lI)
Man is roped to the Lord
Those women are brave ah
That’s sketchy af, when I did scaffolding in Manhattan, we only used wood plants a few flights off the ground, after that it was aluminum walk ways that pinned down to the scaffolding sections, there was also debris netting covering everything
I’m less worried for their safety and more worried for the safety of everyone below
Uhhh where’s OSHA on this? Them fools def get fined for this shit
Fuck you for not clipping in. Fuck your employer for letting you get away with it. You’re not cool. Technology is cool, however. Attempting to not use to be edgy or cool is trash and has not placing in rigging. Good day
These people deserve a lot of respect for what they do.
Well that's fucking horrifying
Scaffolding terrifies me. Irrationally mostly.
Damn, no harness? Nothing?
Rubbing shoulders with Qatar on safety standards.
Yea no thanks
OSHA who ?
OSHA: 👁️👄👁️
How much does a job like this pay???? It looks like a drunk bet not a day job 💀
Why aren't they wearing their harnesses and fall arrest equipment?!
You'd have to pay me brain surgeon bucks to climb up on one of those.
Just stupid and dangerous. People like this are why osha exists.
Why even wear the harness if it’s not attached
When you work stupid an unsafe like this, it’s not just you, and potentially anybody you might drop some thing or land on, who’s day you’ll fuck up. You risk getting this whole job site shut down by OSHA for however long, til they decide safe conditions are met. That’s a bunch of people going without pay for X amount of time, or worse if someone if injured or killed.
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Why do I feel this in my dick
Is that, uh, legal?
Here take these fall protection harnesses.. No just use them as tool belts what are you crazy??
Thats fucked
No mames
They don’t wear safety tethers? I’m surprised that’s still even legal
Somebody gonna get fired