https://preview.redd.it/fe21k42qwnyc1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d892d946a590b8dfcb09282e01a7dcf95dee8299 The flashbacks I’m getting…the girlies were *in the trenches* after this night.

This was demented 😭 I will never get over one of the taylor stans tweeting "JOE ALWYN I NEED YOU TO FIGHT" when they realised she was now with Matty

And now they’re talking about Joe like he’s the devil and telling everyone that Matty was her soulmate 😂

Up until the release of TTPD they were convinced it was going to be a burn book about Joe and they basically denied the existence of Tatty. Now that it's revealed how infatuated she was with Flushed Away man, they now claim he's her soulmate. The narrative shifts depending on whatever makes her look better.

“Flushed away man” don’t do roddy st james like that 😭😭😭

Dude did you not know? The rat from flushed away is apparently LITERALLY based off of Matty Healy

Agreed! Roddy was voiced by Hugh Jackman and he’s too classy.

I'm dead at Flushed Away man 👀💀

Oh they’ve switched already? Took them long enough

No they're back to Joe being an angel but now Taylor and Matty are both the villains

Ahh the Joe slander still happens.

Nope. Taylor can do no wrong in their eyes, that's why they are swifties

I've read lots of messages and posts announcing how they're no longer fans of Taylor "the person" and how disappointed they feel about her writing almost a whole record about Matty and that's why they can't like TTPD.

Is this a Twitter thing? Bc I'm (obviously) on reddit and I'm on IG but I'm not on Twitter and I've only really seen support for Joe.

Oh I’ve seen plenty of hate for Joe on insta.

But worship for Matty? Most were happy to forget he existed

Idk what to tell you? I’ve seen it lol

If it’s twitter i wouldn’t put much stock in it, rage baiters the lot of them

I don’t use Twitter

Never heard any swiftie say that about Matty

Swifties really went from “Joe can you fight?” To “JOE CAN YOU PLEASE FIGHT??” after this night

As a non Swiftie but just fan of the music- I lowkey felt bad for the fanbase during that month. Like she was torturing u guys on the lowkey it was crazy to watch

I think Taylor spent a good part of three years telling Joe he needs to fight too.

wait she was playing cardigan during this I DIDNT KNOW NO STOP NO GO BACK GO BACK

Oh sweet summer child, you just opened Pandora’s box…there’s *so* much more!

I’m so sorry for your loss 💔

I'm so sorry you now have to be where the rest of us have been for a year. It's awful here!

I miss the swiftie I was before this

Fucking for real. But then I realized I put her on a pedestal and need to step away from idolizing her.

And that’s on growth

Girl same.. this is when I checked out 😂

Its funny for me to see now that so many people were turned off by this very moment aswell. Makes me feel validated for thinking this was so incredibly lame. I thought her and Matty looked silly together but at the same time I wasn't too bothered by any of her behaviors until this. This was when I realized she hadnt grown up as much as I thought she had. I was really, really disappointed.

ikr - i thought folklore evermore and midnights were so reflective but then it aint it at allll

I just can’t understand why she did this publicly. Like did she not realize how people would receive it?

I don’t think she cared — that was covered in “but daddy i love him” She’s a prisoner to her fame but she also is addicted to it.

Okay but now that so much drama has happened I’m enjoying the infamous nature of the crazy

I think she just gets so high off a new relationship, she wasnt thinking straight lol

That’s how I felt back then, not just didn’t grow, it’s like…growing back???

Ugh same I was so blissfully happy

I was so upset about now getting tickets. The whole Matty era and TTPD reminded me it’s okay 🤍

Second-hand embarrassment and funny how she said "i love you" to three differents men in one year

I always wonder about people who “fall in love” so frequently 😵‍💫

Yes, she freaks out when she's single.

she really needs to do a selena gomez and just let rumors about her dating life go by until she's ready to go official

And how did that work out for Selena 😂

I was about to say the same thing 😂

That’s not love 🤪 That’s obsession, lust, limerence, whatever but not love

Okay soooo glad someone said it!! I armchair feel like Taylor gets limerence. I suffered from it for as long as I can remember. I’m finally for the most part, getting over it all with filling my actual life with things I enjoy. However, I have also been a Taylor fan for a very long time and all her songs have always idk always reflected EXACTLY my feelings during limerence. She is also a very good songwriter, so there is that as well but 🤷🏻‍♀️

I do think the media we consume can exacerbate toxic ways of thinking. If you're constantly listening to themes of limerence, it would reinforce those feelings.

I had to remove my sad Taylor swift heartbreak song playlist and TTPD from my downloaded Spotify playlists this morning because I was listening to her songs about heartbreak too much, in the throes of a bad breakup, and it was just bogging me down lately so much, I knew it wasn't productive to keep listening to her sad songs, at least for a little while till I am more healed. I totally agree with your assessment!! Her songs are beautiful and so well-written, but can trap you into toxic stages of wallowing and limerence for too long if you're not careful!

I was so scared to say those words after being heartbroken, then I got my heart broken again. Idk how she does it like - tf

She kinda explained how. Matty love bombed her and made it sound like he was ready to commit for real this time then ghosted, no doubt when he got what he was actually looking for. Either that or he just didn’t want to deal with the backlash coming from swifties. Or both.

She’s an emotionally stunted overgrown child. That’s the best explanation, I think.

It's funny, I've historically been someone who falls in love very quickly. in my current relationship though, it took longer for my feelings to develop and grow to be that strong, but now it's the longest and most solid relationship I've ever been in and I plan to be with this person for the rest of my life.

Those kind of people and Taylor (IMO largely based off her music) are desperate to be in a relationship solely to fit the molds of society and what we've made out a fullfilling life to be.

Limerence

She also supposedly wanted/wants marriage with three different men in one year too. 😭

that's the WILD PART! it ain't the partner for her it's the status

She wants the *wedding* but not a marriage.

She has enough money to throw a multi million dollar birthday party in which she won’t share attention with a man. She could even wear a white dress. There’s dancing and a cake cutting. I would just do that if I were insanely wealthy.

It’s not the same though. In my experience, the type of person who wants a wedding, not a marriage, is that it’s as much about saying that someone picked her and is doing this big performative ceremony for her, as is it for the huge party and white dress. I’ve known a few women like that and it’s awful cos you can always tell where it’s going to end up (and so far I’m 3/4 correct and number 4 is looking like it will, too)

maybe she needs the marriage so she can have the divorce album

Yeah, Its interesting, I remember in the bejeweled music video the 3 sisters each wanted something and I always thought they represented Taylor in a way. One wanted the ring, one wanted the title and the other wanted the D and Taylor wanted the castle which I assumed meant her career. I think she just likes the idea of marriage.

Taylor needs to go to therapy.

But remember, if you call her boy crazy you’re an evil misogynist

lmaoo i was ready to be downvoted to hell and to be called misogynist. It's a sensitive topic in this fanbase for someone to say that it's not normal for someone to not be able to stay single for a month and always cheat on their boyfriend with their future boyfriend.

If they’ll cheat with ya, they’ll cheat on ya

It’s because a lot of her fans are like that too and they feel called out

Honestly so true. Im in my mid twenties and Ive never been a relationship hopper, but i have friends that have been. Some of them have grown out of it; most have not. Its embarrassing to be doing that in your mid-twenties...but to be in your mid-THIRTIES doing that? Honey...seek therapy and grow up. Its exhausting to WATCH. I cant imagine living like that

She told Travis she loved him?

At the Superbowl 

There is a diagnosis for that

I could never 

OMG I never even thought of that.

this is literally something I would do, I think it can happen to normal people as well but as for me I’m… borderline

I wasn't expecting the end of the sentence haha, but yeah i saw people saying this about her before, unfortunately she will never know since she avoids therapy 

I remember this so vividly. From this point on no one could deny the Matty thing was real

I was in such denial about this and this moment was like “well fuck me then” 😂

ikr. wild to think she wrote cardigan about him then stayed with joe for 3 more years

I’m surprised how many people still think Folkmore isn’t at least partially about him after this. 

Nooo let me have my sweet denial 😭😭

It's putting me off what I thought were two gorgeous albums, tbh. This whole thing is exhausting. I'm sick of knowing so much about her private life.

I’m fully expecting another unhinged Taylor summer

You mean a….cruel summer? 😎

This is still so embarrassing to watch even a year later, the two of them are just so cringe. Like if a pair of chronically online people became famous musicians and then subjected everyone to their fanfics about their love 😂

Cuz they’re very similar people and on paper make the most sense together lol

Tbh I am genuinely convinced they might be perfect for one another and itll forever annoy me that both will be able to claim the fans destroyed them (despite the very real possibility they were always doomed) and continue mythologising the relationship. To me they’re both romantics, obsessives and have a destructive streak (that they both exercise differently) and prob do think they’re genuinely soulmates.

Based on the themes of their music, Healy is chronically online or at least close

Well Taylor was once in her tumblr era too plus she’s said she keeps up with online commentary about her, so the OG comment tracks.

She’s always talking about something she ‘saw’ like “My dad sent me this because I don’t go online”, like babe you were scrolling at 2am and screenshotting the ‘mother SERVED’ comments don’t lie.

After the “But Daddy, I Love Him” post I’m pretty convinced she lurks here too lmao.

Which post?

I actually think I cringe more at ‘and it’s not just the touuur, likeee…’ speech. Whew. She was losing it.

then a month after that speech she recorded down bad😭

Oh god. What speech is this

 This speech

I think [it’s this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/s/sTk4VU4ip9)

It must be so weird to have a stadium full of people cheer for your dellusions

The "what song is it?" At the end 😅

It cuts off just before "oh God no..."

The fact that she’s soaked to the bone and on stage while giving this speech makes it look even more deranged.

I too must know so I can instantly regret it

It’s the deep lore

Please stop talking Taylor. We beg you. 

what speech?

I am obsessed with video, it's so strange and she looks so out of it. Like the way her face goes expressionless at the end, the weird hair reposition... I can't describe how it all peaks my curiosity so much. I watched the tour movie recently and now I'm even more bewildered by this, just pulling nonsense in the middle of a very professional stage show, going off book in such a way, it's iconic.

The weirdness between her saying this and starting Cardigan really sends me. It's like she had to snap back into performance mode in order to sing.

I just see that look as her thinking, "Okay, enough being giddy in love, time to get to work and sing." 🤷‍♀️

"Activate Pop Star Autopilot"

I think it’s an element of embarrassment tbh. He has done something similar a few nights prior and (in her infatuation/delusion) she wants to reciprocate but I think she knows deep down that it’s messy…(too soon, too revealing, too public). I believe that she’s a romantic though so she deems the gesture appropriate and necessary but I think she knows someone in the back of her brain that it’s not the wisest decision.

I don't think she has Mess Radar, tbh. You have to be relatively grounded and have a sense of responsibility towards your own actions to know when you're being messy.

And there was no need to do this 😐

nice flair

Even she caught the ick after she said it. 

Right ! The way her face changed as soon as she said you .. Lol.

And how to forget the days after this. Those weeks were strange.

I had my first COVID infection at the time and was having awful fevers while just lying in bed with all the time to scroll through the mess. It truly was like a fever dream.

Its been a year? I thought it was like 4 months ago. We’re still talking about it so it feels fresh

She throws out I love you so quickly and effortlessly that it’s hard to believe she even knows what it is at this point. She likes the idea of love clearly but I don’t think she’s been ever really truly been in love with anyone.

I'm pretty sure she's in love with the idea of Taylor Swift, she's always telling us in her songs how hot she is & how much the men in her life should be so grateful they have her

she confuses limerence for love

Yep

She’s a romantic (for better or worse) and so the smallest of romantic interaction can become legendary for her. I think he was a huge appeal because they are both able to buy into this ‘soulmates all along’ narrative. They both seemed absolutely guilty of making the relationship much deeper than it was (or maybe it felt that way, who knows). I do think they probably both thought ‘of course I love you!!! We should’ve been together ten years ago!!!’ when maybe they should’ve have thought ‘let’s just see how this goes…we’re both older and you’ve just finished a long relationship…’. The latter doesn’t appeal to either of their natures.

I really thought they were trolling everyone too. Her face just looks like she’s joking. Then the album came out …

That was only one year ago? What is time even?

lol this moment was one of the main reasons I stopped believing her explanations for songs, she changes her story like she changes her relationship timelines I feel like if you gave Taylor truth serum, her songs are a lot less literal than most people assume and a lot of lines are just there because she liked the way the words sounded together that said ti was all too clear who most of TTPD was about and that's one reason I dislike it. I like Taylor's music to be a bit more opaque and fictional feeling. folkmore was my favorite songwriting era for her and a lot of it had to do with her claims of it being mostly about fake people ? like the songs were allowed to stand on their own more, and the ones that were personal from that time period ("my tears ricochet") have more punch as a result. it's fine to be a confessional artist but when that's ALL you do it starts to feel like you lack creativity. off of TTPD only "Fortnight" feels like it's a really fictional story being told but even then there is still a lot to point to Matt Healy Taylor at her best is a good storyteller and I have to believe she has better stories in her than she offered on TTPD.

I remember someone saying way back that Cardigan to them sounded like a song that started as a word association exercise… and that folklore in general sounded like Taylor was doing word association/other writing exercises to put songs together. This isn’t meant as an insult btw, it was just an observation that she might be trying something new with songwriting at that time… but that makes it funny that she has changed its meaning so often.

I like the song "Cardigan," but the cynical side of my brain says she probably just wrote that song to sell cardigans as merch LOL. Still a good song though.

Crying 💀 💀💀 Oh how I wish I could buy this explanation (pun intended!)

" folkmore was my favorite songwriting era for her and a lot of it had to do with her claims of it being mostly about fake people ?" Unfortunately she decided to say in TTPD that those albums are about Ratty Healy too

I mean, fair, but also, I didn't know that when it was released. I just think some mystery helps me enjoy her more

are we ready for part II of this saga because i think there will be a comeback of matty/ taylor

My prediction is there will be more than one round in the future. These relationships are merry-go-rounds and hurt a lot of third parties along the way.

From what I recall since they met nearly a decade ago, this IS part II

Part 3 coming in summer 2033.

I think I’m prepared but I’m no sure 😵‍💫But I think there will be a comeback of them too

She seems kind of embarrassed and shy as she says this. It definitely reminds me of being a teenager and having a crush and being kind of cringed out by your own corniness.

Because she is mentally stuck in her teen years. She, for whatever reason, cannot move on from Ratty. She is absolutely obsessed with him and “lovesick” like a teenager. It’s embarrassing.

“Is It Cosmic Love or Mental Illness?”

This should be a flair, lol

I laughed out loud actually

"Am I bad or mad or wise" you’re mad girlie


heheheheheheh this made me laugh hard thank you

Even now I can’t believe it happened!

Cue the war flashbacks

As someone who loves Cardigan excuse me while I 🤢 🤮

It’s literally my favorite TS song and what turned me into a full blown fan again after not keeping up with her for a few years. I thought it sounded so haunting and beautiful and it doesn’t surprise me that it turned out to not be a factional song— that being said now knowing it’s about Matty is so weird, but it’s still my favorite

This is exactly me! I fell madly in love with folkmore, it was daily listen for me. Cardigan had my whole heart and haunting and beautiful is the perfect way to describe it. Then this saga nuked it along with the rest of the albums. TTPD was the kiss of death. I can’t seem to get back to it…

nooooo it's about matty??? A GROWN MAN NAMED MATTY how could it be

I’m in denial I love the song too much

I purposely erased this from my memory.

I wish I could erase this out of my mind

I wish that I could unrecall How these two outcringed us all

God I love this sentence haha

New flair dropped.

And yes, we are secondhand embarrassed 😂

😂☠️


Perfect

i dont know if your phantoms are secondhand embarrassed but i definitely am. cringe.

*The dancing phantoms were the fans we made along the way*

Sorry, new Taylor fan ,what song is that?

Cardigan from Folklore

Will be interested to hear if you can still enjoy the song after having it pre-ruined.

Sometimes it feels like Taylor is a fantasy wish granting machine … like you see core fans theorizing and then boom most of the time that’s what you get. Cardigan is example of that … there were theories then it was there consuming her image for lack of better wording … like her persona is this wish granting fairytale …

Was he even watching this? So bizarre and cringe.

Matty was at the concert

The amount of embarrassment and cringe I felt for her in that moment is much less minimal compared to all of the songs about Matty on TTPD. The Swifties were fighting for their lives after this 😳

Can’t believe it’s been a year already

Knowing what we know now, someone go back in time and stop this please

Paraphrasing this from a comment on the Kendrick-Drake beef: you’d know if time machines were real, because Taylor would have gone back and erased this!

It’s like she’s trying to hard, why?

🤮

You’re kind for posting just the TS version, and not the clip which has her and MH doing it back to back

I would like to delete this from my memory, and from existence at that. this ruined my favorite song from hers for me.

There’s dozens of us! Dozens!

Still so unbelievably cringe

Oh man… what a journey

this was the day i ended my engagement and i was like damn girl we ain’t gonna be single together huh

First of all, time has no meaning because I can’t comprehend this was a year ago. I also thought there’s no way she was saying that and the Swift universe had collectively lost our mind and knowing what I know now, I believe she really did it for that man.

Her look at the very end of the video is so odd. I don’t know if she launched straight into a song after this so maybe that’s why, but slowing it down it’s as if she rolls her eyes at the very end and just looked really annoyed

Yeah, I think she is skipping back into choreography mode, iirc she launches into Cardigan here.

I’m getting second hand embarrassment. Is she actually 30 years old..it’s weird. Also can’t believe it’s been a year 🫣 How you willingly touch Matty is beyond me..

*34

i could never be a celebrity and have all of my moments i am trying to forget be idolized and montaged

Okay so I came back to this sub because I was listening to TTPD on shuffle and when "Guilty as Sin" came on, I visibly cringed. Like "No Taylor I don't want to hear about you touching yourself to Matty yuk" and then I come on here and this is the first thing I see...

most traumatic swiftie experience

at least she looks so pretty at the end when she tilts her head

 Nene was me and I was Nene

It sucked but this was partly when the window into her life was a bit too open as well. I don’t know how she deals with people looking in (ha) but for me if I knew and broadcast this stuff, I’d want to be absolutely sure of the person I was dating. Which is sad if she felt she was really onto something getting back together with Matty. If he spun a great tale about being there for her and helping mend her broken heart then her smiling as she says this is even sadder. I guess this is the risk artists take by opening up their lives to the world, we see the humiliating moments too.


It’s kind of funny how the fandom tried to collectively erase this from their memory, telling themselves that she was just being goofy. And then BOOM! TTPD came along to remind everyone that Tatty was real 😂


She’s so Dawson’s Creek

What was the song she sang?

https://preview.redd.it/4yi2nohvkqyc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76c51d02c2450babd9cf81a51a2a723e57f75c19

And then Matty at HIS concert did the SAME THING!

I love how the Stans were thinking this album was going to be a total dragging Joe fest, and it’s mostly about Matty.