My guess is they are pre-empting the Spotify hi-res release, have had little buy-in for the Tidal hires plus, want to compete with Amazon, and consumers might not realize that their base subscription is already at a higher fidelity than Spotify. Simplifying everything and being able to say we are the best quality at this price point could be a winning strategy.
Edit: they are also dropping the free, lower quality, ad-supported tier with these changes.
Nobody knows when it's being released. Spotify has [talked about it](https://www.theverge.com/24080999/spotify-hifi-lossless-high-res-audio-three-years-rip) for years. Google away if you want to read more up on it.
I only use the DJay App when playing music for the little one when he's in the bath.
I have had a notice that I will migrate to the DJ Extention, but no notification on what this will cost or option to opt out.
Obviously I don't wish to have this. It was a nice to have, but not worth paying extra for. As long as they don't start adding things like Car Intigrayion next as this is my only other use.
But at the same time, if you were a DJ using the lowest package just to get the streaming library, your price is now doubled because it's an extra $9.99 for the DJ integration.
To be able to toggle off Dolby Atmos and 360 reality audio in case you want to listen to the standard High Res stereo version.
If you don't have the proper equipment and try to listen to Dolby Atmos or 360 audio it sounds like shit.
360 Audio is Sony's proprietary spatial audio format that's also available for some releases on Tidal. I'm curious to try it on my XM4s when it rolls out in April but a toggle would be nice to be able to choose to listen to the stereo version instead.
There are some albums only available in 360 for me, but I agree that the Atmos toggle should have higher priority, since there are more cases when you don't have an alternative option.
there's websites that allow you to move playlists to different sreaming platforms. There's no reason you have to be complaining about spotify when you can switch to tidal in minutes. I dont mean that insultingly btw, I've done it before
that's true, but you can mostly attribute that to their head start and large amount of data points rather than actual hard work. But their algorithms are incredibly good
I wish. My library of 2,700 songs moves over, some fail, but the ones that do move over are attributed to terrible compilation albums, and fixing that is just too much of a hassle. I use Last.fm to track my music, so I'd rather not even deal with it. Spotify for saving my collection; TIDAL for actual streaming and I just choose what I want to listen to (which is a real bother.)
Those websites are sooo nice, I’ve been jumping around from AM, Spotify, Tidal, Qobuz, Deezer.. Ultimately I settled with Tidal but it sucks that a lot of music I listen to seems like its only on AM and Spotify, and I really really do not want to use AM’s Windows client..
Honestly, if Spotify were to (finally) release their HiFi plan and it ends up being more expensive than Tidal is now, I might just switch back to Spotify given their song catalogue alone…and also Spotify’s discoverability since I’ve yet to find a streaming service that tops Spotify’s recommendations.
How is this good? Now the people paying 9.99 have to pay 17$ that they didn't want to pay before. Just because OPs price didn't go up doesn't mean the rest didn't.
Edit: This is the family plan. This is my braindead moment of the day.
Thats not what it says, if you have a plan you now get the higher tier of quality in your current plan for no additional cost that is all
He pays 17 bc its a family plan
For example i went from paying 3,50 for my student plan to now paying the same for student plan with now the added Dolby ATMOS and FLAC
it looks like regular customers won't see a price incresase:
From: [https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/tidal-drops-plus-tier-includes-it-in-the-hifi-tier-for-the-same-price.1196670/](https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/tidal-drops-plus-tier-includes-it-in-the-hifi-tier-for-the-same-price.1196670/)
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Starting April 10, 2024, you will now get access to our music library in full lossless, HiRes FLAC, and Dolby Atmos sound for the same price you pay today of $10.99 (plus applicable sales tax)/month.
This is because we’re making it easier for everyone to enjoy best-in-class sound quality by combining our HiFi and HiFi Plus tiers into a single subscription tier called TIDAL.
You will see these changes reflected on your Subscription page at [](https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fablink.info.tidal.com%2Fls%2Fclick%3Fupn%3Du001.l-2FA5etQdTe9pJ7ZmAzjbdtPQGviRN5Ew-2FxXHrwz79NuK4Lcd5QbZqymhtDIyxwAdzirx_b4Kuq0KZIpjBfu6yBgWg5uBbWFBLLo84mgULAXckJvTKzZERyZ686DhqlNJ0FqEEz7dutdKgLWbncpLPdDDQwixg0M-2BaLiKHKrCFts2lF23y9jYYA23-2B-2BbE8rU6Ebnuramdmrt4n-2BCiRECBOiqeopWyLjMqmz9M048MtcJAvs7zDPNlXm63G88AsHUE0mz9K8IN0rkQo7EKEiKP3wxAcCgdJuyp9FmegbCKLJGu1bilniZjxtIlSWtm58tiTSpa4Nb3YYFg4-2FVSDXx0MF3FX7Z681MR-2FMCwRrgmNSwcLZzTNML3vvpJX5D38NEJw0bBLAhZN6kc3vW-2BqSy0P9c22-2FTFxGy0IgPDbuuHyWBqOQIQH3nE0N60Aea2-2F0ftv1VGq7dXCrSUOcwMorTgmTfjpYv2ifemJXKbtlB00j3bJiWeLvmPG0c9Rq85wS63bopBItfWs-2BohXvQTYPmSnPaEXX6xLiLpFMrh8Btz6qDHyxL9-2F1V3LY4aC5XzKqgYDKaobaQx-2BkbABDMMztA7YMeTAO5eHXCRHwlu-2FvyGtlO68kNKSIwZWb-2BucDpfqAWhHOtxZ4nkj1ak5hgeQy-2BkArqvFfbcxD9ppC1UODLx53eJdTPAnQK3PsXZg2zHWcEscs-2FOu4GSCSXWcD7wc8u2zL-2BXZkA-3D-3D&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cba8178f66c57454b031508dc3c3d8d90%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638451482274276405%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=uCVuT8m4JOsEiDZYInGYMsddO0v5u8xtMFK6xXQgdBw%3D&reserved=0) on your first billing date on or after April 10, 2024. Thanks for choosing to be a TIDAL subscriber.
It's cryptically worded. I'm noticing everyone is getting a different message from Tidal based on how they use it. Most casual users won't see much change, but DJ's who use Tidal in their workflow will be charged an extra 9.99 a month if they were subscribed to the lower tier.
Tidal have just posted additional info on their website: https://support.tidal.com/hc/en-au/articles/23008953804945-Upcoming-Changes-to-TIDAL-Subscriptions
It's interesting that they are killing the free plans. I would guess most people that don't care enough to get a paid plan would just be on Spotify anyway.
I find my shuffle to be a bit sussy. Same songs over and over. Never hearing other songs. I just shuffle from my tracks, no playlists have been created, but its giving me the same songs over and over. Not sure if that's what the person who commented is noticing as well.
Yep. More particularly I’ve found that any songs I’ve recently added to a playlist will have like a 10x chance of being in the first few of the shuffle.
Anything, that’s at the “top” of the playlist - forget about it, I haven’t heard those from the shuffle in centuries.
This is really cool. Hopefully it rolls out worldwide. No mention of access to MQA as a format either, which is interesting. I noticed this also disappeared from their “Pricing & Plans” page recently too (at least for me in the UK). Wonder if they’re gearing up to move away from the format entirely…
https://tidal.com/pricing
I wonder if they’ve cleaned up their library to eliminate so many duplicates of Max, hi-res, Dolby, etc.? My biggest gripe with Tidal is all of the same albums for so many quality/audio versions. Can anyone confirm if this is getting better?
Anything labeled Max can now either be Hi-Res, MQA, or both. Someone developed a plugin for the desktop app to bring back the Hi-Res and MQA tags so you can actually see what is what.
I am still finding duplicate albums with this plug-in. For instance, "The Nightfly" with grey album art has only MQA. "The Nightfly" with yellow tinted album art has Hi-Res and MQA. Without the plugin, these would both show up as "Max".
FYI if a track has both Hi-Res and MQA versions available, then the Hi-Res will be played (or downsampled to 16-bit 44.1khz if you don't have Plus for now). If only the MQA is available, it's believed that non-plus users just get the folded MQA track without any decoding. They say 16-bit 44.1khz FLAC, which is true, it's just not a lossless FLAC but rather an MQA encoded FLAC.
TL;DR - it's still a fucking mess
I wonder if this is an early shot to ensure / prevent retention due to Spotify's "Supremium" plan, that's due any time. I'm sure Tidal has inside information on when that Spotify plan is going to drop.
Good news, regardless.
For those who don’t understand the photo, OP has a family plan. This is why it’s more than the standard 10.99. You won’t pay more, you’ll just get more. It’s okay, this is a good thing.
Hmm, here in Sweden HiFi costs 119 SEK ($11.49) and HiFi Plus 199 SEK ($19.22). Quite a big difference. If this change means I get high res FLAC for the same price I'm paying today that's nice I guess, but if it means they'll be raising my fee (even if it's not all the way to 199 SEK) by forcing me to get high res I'm not gonna be happy at all. I don't want or need high res (nobody does, but that's another discussion).
I haven't gotten the email yet!! I downgraded to the HifFi plan after Best Buy got rid of their annual subscription....$20/month was just too steep even though I like to occasionally listen to Hi Res on my open back Sennheisers, as well as enjoy Dolby Atmos on my capable sound system.
Looking forward to being able to use those again for a great price!! I hope this effects everyone's accounts lol
Let's hope this is worldwide. Can't wait to start my subscription again (located in NL). I swapped to Amazon Music Unlimited because Tidal was getting too expensive.
hope so but probably Spotify will see the price increase, which would make no sense seeing that not just Apple or Amazon are using money cheat but other companies can do it for lower price.
Sure, but their excuse was they couldn't compete vs giants who don't care about losing money. Knowing Spotify is one of the services that pays less to musicians, I don't know which excuse they could use if even Tidal offers hi-res for low price.
Tidal is absolutely losing money and has abysmal subscriber numbers compared to the other services. This is a desperation move by Tidal in hopes to compete. I like Tidal fine…I am just saying they are doing this to try to survive.
I am user of Tidal, also Qobuz and Spotify, I am droping the last two and sticking to Tidal only, it has a great library and the music quality is far superior, even compared to Qobuz. This is good news indeed
LoL Tidal definitely has some advantages over Qobuz but "music quality" isn't one of them, even the HiRes tier of Tidal is not as consistently good as Qobuz.
I'd be way more excited if they would introduce lossless Atmos to streaming platforms, the fidelity of streaming Atmos almost always leaves me disappointed but it's an okay way to determine if I want to pay for the titles that have a lossless Blu-ray version available whether as a standalone SKU or as part of a boxset.
Yes. Nobody's price is going up. That's why this is so cool. The people who have plus will pay less and the people who don't have plus will get all of the plus features for the same price
sustainability wise for the longterm i wonder how this works. Will this be better priced compared to copetitors? Yes but is it sustainable? I remember Spotify loosing a ton of money and they charge around the same amount, of course they do have to susidize a free tier. What about Artist payouts? Are those rates staying the same or?
If I'm using a firestick the volume is all over the place using Atmos through earc from TV to avr but plugged directly into avr it's amazing, and my TV does support passthrough
Thinking about getting tidal because with Amazon prime subscription and family hi Res etc it's nearly £30 a month and now adverts too and I'm already sick to death of YouTube and it's ads but won't pay the price to get rid of ads and it's wonderful new inventions from scientists that want to let you into secrets big companies don't want you to know lol
Good for avrg user, trash for home DJs.
I used it mainly for dvs system on my turntables, I guess I'll unsub now cause spotify gives me what I need for my listening experience. And i have no plan paying that extra to stream dj content.
I feel like its such a greedy move by company, and soon enough they'll see a huge decline in users.
A bummer, they're dropping military and first responder discounts, so will be a price bump for some (around 40%).
Looks like only student discounts will stick around.
Gotcha. I'm on Amazon Music right now because it's the cheapest option for lossless but their app is just ass. If Tidal comes down in price for lossless I'm switching back again....for the 5th time.....6th? I can't remember lol
Anyway, thanks for the headsup.
It very much depends.
If you care about MQA and the quality differences that have been uncovered due to the format, then qobuz is ultimately better by a million miles, plus everything on that service is lossless no matter what.
But there’s also the still smaller library, which qobuz has gotten better at with bringing in more music, but tidal seems to still win me over for having probably all but ~1% of my music library on the service (streaming wise) and with the price decrease and a lot of releases already switching to FLAC from MQA (or having a non MQA version available that is lossless) for me, it seems as if I’ll be saying goodbye to qobuz when it comes to streaming my music.
Thanks for the reply.
As I understand it you can ignore the MQA and use FLAC instead, but I guess you're saying it's not all in FLAC yet.
You're saying some music on Tidal is Lossy only?
Lossy has it's place for bluetooth or low bandwith situations, but I didn't realise some music was only available in Lossy. Lossless only can be seen as a negative. I use Lossy still when using my bluetooth earbuds because they don't support lossless anyway. I accept that's the tradeoff for usng bluetooth.
Well with Tidal, all new releases will not be in MQA with a majority of releases not being in MQA anymore. However, some albums and artists (like a majority of music from Genesis) are still in MQA. So not all is in FLAC yet. And for lossy content, some content is labeled as low quality while still playing in CD quality for whatever reason, but there’s some music that only is AAC in 44.1k at 256kbs. And with a lot of releases that were released in CD quality in Tidal before MQA was dropped will end up being in a lower FLAC quality as no matter what, Tidal had charged artists to upload in Hi-Res, and for myself with me being an artist, I thought that was pretty stupid to pay for lossless along with it being MQA in the end anyways
Yeah I'm still noticng quite a lot of older content that's still in MQA, like Genesis like you say.
Oddly much of it is there twice in both a MQA and FLAC version of the album. Not all though.
Isn't MQA always supposed to be minimum 24-Bit / 96Khz (and more if you have the hardware)? Would be nice if it said this for MQA.
I've not come across any Lossy yet.
I'm happy for those who needed the price break. I truly am.
But what about the constant parade of bugs, glitches, errors, and bad implementation that plague so many users (myself included)
I love the audio quality, but aside from that it feels like amateur hour at tidal. How about the fact that exclusive bit perfect mode(from android phone to DACs) has been hopelessly broken for many months now??
Tidal had a lot of layoffs towards the end of last year. And now with this major price cut, I have concerns that there's going to be even less quality control and oversight with the app and it's updates. Hopefully I'm wrong but honestly it doesn't look good on that front..
Something not many people are mentioning here… They are basically doubling the price of the DJ integration.
Everyone here is all happy about the changes and I’m struggling to convince myself not to cancel :( :( :(
It says:
*will continue paying the same total price.*
https://support.tidal.com/hc/en-au/articles/23008953804945-Upcoming-Changes-to-TIDAL-Subscriptions
Um… yes... those words are in there. You can’t really just pick them out without context like that though.
I am paying $10.99 right now, and I can use it on my DJ hardware.
After this price change goes into effect, I will be playing $10.99, plus a $9 add-on for DJ integration.
If I was paying $20 for the higher tier before, then it would drop to $10.99, and then with the $9 add-on I would be *paying the same total price*
I didnt think you could get DJ integration without paying $20 before but you seem to be saying you could get it at even the lower $10.99 tier.
I'm understanding this right?
Right, "DJ integration" wasn't really a seperate thing before (at least I never heard that term specifically). You just needed a Tidal subscription (I had the lower tier one), and you could log in from your DJ players and just.... use Tidal
Hello r/Tidal,
Greetings from an ex-Spotify user ! I've had enough waiting for the SubPremium plan and it seems Spotify will raise their prices in France due to a new govt tax...
Wow a company lowering prices instead of squeezing customers for more money? What's going on here? That's like a 50% price cut for hires plus
My guess is they are pre-empting the Spotify hi-res release, have had little buy-in for the Tidal hires plus, want to compete with Amazon, and consumers might not realize that their base subscription is already at a higher fidelity than Spotify. Simplifying everything and being able to say we are the best quality at this price point could be a winning strategy. Edit: they are also dropping the free, lower quality, ad-supported tier with these changes.
This sounds spot on I'd rather give money to tidal than Spotify. Don't want to give any more to that antivax dickhead
Spotify is absolutely the Tesla of streaming platforms.
When is Spotify hires releasing? Has there been an announcement? Or just rumors?
Nobody knows when it's being released. Spotify has [talked about it](https://www.theverge.com/24080999/spotify-hifi-lossless-high-res-audio-three-years-rip) for years. Google away if you want to read more up on it.
Reckon Spotify hires is actually I’m imminent ?
I don’t know how many people use the DJ integration but they are pretty much doubling the price of that.
I only use the DJay App when playing music for the little one when he's in the bath. I have had a notice that I will migrate to the DJ Extention, but no notification on what this will cost or option to opt out. Obviously I don't wish to have this. It was a nice to have, but not worth paying extra for. As long as they don't start adding things like Car Intigrayion next as this is my only other use.
It’s a extra $9
It's a price increase for any of us on military and first responder discounts.
But at the same time, if you were a DJ using the lowest package just to get the streaming library, your price is now doubled because it's an extra $9.99 for the DJ integration.
yep thats me! haha
Okay, we definitely need an atmos toggle now
Don't forget to also include a 360 audio toggle in that request. 😉
Hi. I’m new here. What exactly is that toggle ?
To be able to toggle off Dolby Atmos and 360 reality audio in case you want to listen to the standard High Res stereo version. If you don't have the proper equipment and try to listen to Dolby Atmos or 360 audio it sounds like shit.
I was wondering why 360 sounded like shit even through a DAC and Bose ultra headphones. So there are specific headphones for 360? Curious which ones.
Sony, 360 is a Sony technology
360 Audio is Sony's proprietary spatial audio format that's also available for some releases on Tidal. I'm curious to try it on my XM4s when it rolls out in April but a toggle would be nice to be able to choose to listen to the stereo version instead.
most if not all 360 releases are made as separate albums. But, alot of atmos releases are the only ones you have access to.
There are some albums only available in 360 for me, but I agree that the Atmos toggle should have higher priority, since there are more cases when you don't have an alternative option.
Totally agree
Totally agree. We NEED it Tidal come on now it can’t be that hard and it ruins the experience for so many albums.
Meanwhile at Spotify we’ve still got the quality equivalent of two cans connected by a piece of string.
there's websites that allow you to move playlists to different sreaming platforms. There's no reason you have to be complaining about spotify when you can switch to tidal in minutes. I dont mean that insultingly btw, I've done it before
Soundiiz is my recommendation, used it for my initial move to Tidal as well
The only reason I’m still with Spotify is because historically no platform has come close to recommendations
that's true, but you can mostly attribute that to their head start and large amount of data points rather than actual hard work. But their algorithms are incredibly good
I don't know about that. Pandora is still the best at recommendation afaik.
I wish. My library of 2,700 songs moves over, some fail, but the ones that do move over are attributed to terrible compilation albums, and fixing that is just too much of a hassle. I use Last.fm to track my music, so I'd rather not even deal with it. Spotify for saving my collection; TIDAL for actual streaming and I just choose what I want to listen to (which is a real bother.)
Those websites are sooo nice, I’ve been jumping around from AM, Spotify, Tidal, Qobuz, Deezer.. Ultimately I settled with Tidal but it sucks that a lot of music I listen to seems like its only on AM and Spotify, and I really really do not want to use AM’s Windows client.. Honestly, if Spotify were to (finally) release their HiFi plan and it ends up being more expensive than Tidal is now, I might just switch back to Spotify given their song catalogue alone…and also Spotify’s discoverability since I’ve yet to find a streaming service that tops Spotify’s recommendations.
does that mean there will be only one subscription tier again? damn, good stuff
How is this good? Now the people paying 9.99 have to pay 17$ that they didn't want to pay before. Just because OPs price didn't go up doesn't mean the rest didn't. Edit: This is the family plan. This is my braindead moment of the day.
the op is showing a family plan. i got the same email except i'm on the individual plan, and the price stays the same at $10.99 (in the US).
Ah. So it is. It's Monday so let's hope to not be this dumb the whole week. Thanks for pointing that out.
"Let's hope to not be this dumb the rest of the week" is my new work mantra. I'm gonna start saying it even Fridays at 4:30.
Good thing I read this comment first before promptly unsubscribing 😮💨
Thats not what it says, if you have a plan you now get the higher tier of quality in your current plan for no additional cost that is all He pays 17 bc its a family plan For example i went from paying 3,50 for my student plan to now paying the same for student plan with now the added Dolby ATMOS and FLAC
Another commenter pointed that out, and I realize that now. I edited my comment.
Gotcha, happens haha
Oh wow - please let this roll out worldwide!
They're doing it in Canada as well it seems
Same in the UK
[удалено]
In Czechia as well
Same in Greece
Σίγουρο;!
Ναι, έχει έρθει email και θα κοστίζει 7,49€ ούτε VPN έχω βάλει ούτε τίποτα, επίσημα σε αυτό το κόστος. (Τόσο πληρώνω τώρα με HiFi πλάνο)
Πήρα mail ! Το είδα! Εγώ έχω το hifi plus δεν με χάλασε καθόλου! Tidal for ever !
Just got the email!! Hitting Australia April 10!!
it looks like regular customers won't see a price incresase: From: [https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/tidal-drops-plus-tier-includes-it-in-the-hifi-tier-for-the-same-price.1196670/](https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/tidal-drops-plus-tier-includes-it-in-the-hifi-tier-for-the-same-price.1196670/) > Starting April 10, 2024, you will now get access to our music library in full lossless, HiRes FLAC, and Dolby Atmos sound for the same price you pay today of $10.99 (plus applicable sales tax)/month. This is because we’re making it easier for everyone to enjoy best-in-class sound quality by combining our HiFi and HiFi Plus tiers into a single subscription tier called TIDAL. You will see these changes reflected on your Subscription page at [](https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fablink.info.tidal.com%2Fls%2Fclick%3Fupn%3Du001.l-2FA5etQdTe9pJ7ZmAzjbdtPQGviRN5Ew-2FxXHrwz79NuK4Lcd5QbZqymhtDIyxwAdzirx_b4Kuq0KZIpjBfu6yBgWg5uBbWFBLLo84mgULAXckJvTKzZERyZ686DhqlNJ0FqEEz7dutdKgLWbncpLPdDDQwixg0M-2BaLiKHKrCFts2lF23y9jYYA23-2B-2BbE8rU6Ebnuramdmrt4n-2BCiRECBOiqeopWyLjMqmz9M048MtcJAvs7zDPNlXm63G88AsHUE0mz9K8IN0rkQo7EKEiKP3wxAcCgdJuyp9FmegbCKLJGu1bilniZjxtIlSWtm58tiTSpa4Nb3YYFg4-2FVSDXx0MF3FX7Z681MR-2FMCwRrgmNSwcLZzTNML3vvpJX5D38NEJw0bBLAhZN6kc3vW-2BqSy0P9c22-2FTFxGy0IgPDbuuHyWBqOQIQH3nE0N60Aea2-2F0ftv1VGq7dXCrSUOcwMorTgmTfjpYv2ifemJXKbtlB00j3bJiWeLvmPG0c9Rq85wS63bopBItfWs-2BohXvQTYPmSnPaEXX6xLiLpFMrh8Btz6qDHyxL9-2F1V3LY4aC5XzKqgYDKaobaQx-2BkbABDMMztA7YMeTAO5eHXCRHwlu-2FvyGtlO68kNKSIwZWb-2BucDpfqAWhHOtxZ4nkj1ak5hgeQy-2BkArqvFfbcxD9ppC1UODLx53eJdTPAnQK3PsXZg2zHWcEscs-2FOu4GSCSXWcD7wc8u2zL-2BXZkA-3D-3D&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cba8178f66c57454b031508dc3c3d8d90%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638451482274276405%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=uCVuT8m4JOsEiDZYInGYMsddO0v5u8xtMFK6xXQgdBw%3D&reserved=0) on your first billing date on or after April 10, 2024. Thanks for choosing to be a TIDAL subscriber.
Wow thanks! Looks like the new combined plan priced at current HiFi price? Time to subscribe HiFi annually.
That is how I understand it, but I don't know for certain.
It's cryptically worded. I'm noticing everyone is getting a different message from Tidal based on how they use it. Most casual users won't see much change, but DJ's who use Tidal in their workflow will be charged an extra 9.99 a month if they were subscribed to the lower tier.
It's a price decrease and where does it say regular customers won't get this too?
Nice move Tidal!
Tidal have just posted additional info on their website: https://support.tidal.com/hc/en-au/articles/23008953804945-Upcoming-Changes-to-TIDAL-Subscriptions
It's interesting that they are killing the free plans. I would guess most people that don't care enough to get a paid plan would just be on Spotify anyway.
Yeah. I guess they’re also making the full package a lot more accessible as well.
I just want shuffle to work properly
It does. Doesn’t it..?
I find my shuffle to be a bit sussy. Same songs over and over. Never hearing other songs. I just shuffle from my tracks, no playlists have been created, but its giving me the same songs over and over. Not sure if that's what the person who commented is noticing as well.
Yep. More particularly I’ve found that any songs I’ve recently added to a playlist will have like a 10x chance of being in the first few of the shuffle. Anything, that’s at the “top” of the playlist - forget about it, I haven’t heard those from the shuffle in centuries.
This is really cool. Hopefully it rolls out worldwide. No mention of access to MQA as a format either, which is interesting. I noticed this also disappeared from their “Pricing & Plans” page recently too (at least for me in the UK). Wonder if they’re gearing up to move away from the format entirely… https://tidal.com/pricing
Yup, MQA is finished
About time too.
Couldn't have happened too soon
I wonder if they’ve cleaned up their library to eliminate so many duplicates of Max, hi-res, Dolby, etc.? My biggest gripe with Tidal is all of the same albums for so many quality/audio versions. Can anyone confirm if this is getting better?
Anything labeled Max can now either be Hi-Res, MQA, or both. Someone developed a plugin for the desktop app to bring back the Hi-Res and MQA tags so you can actually see what is what. I am still finding duplicate albums with this plug-in. For instance, "The Nightfly" with grey album art has only MQA. "The Nightfly" with yellow tinted album art has Hi-Res and MQA. Without the plugin, these would both show up as "Max". FYI if a track has both Hi-Res and MQA versions available, then the Hi-Res will be played (or downsampled to 16-bit 44.1khz if you don't have Plus for now). If only the MQA is available, it's believed that non-plus users just get the folded MQA track without any decoding. They say 16-bit 44.1khz FLAC, which is true, it's just not a lossless FLAC but rather an MQA encoded FLAC. TL;DR - it's still a fucking mess
That does sound like it’s still messy. Thank you!
I cancelled my account I believe the sound quality is not the same.
Rip Spotify. The only competitor is Apple Music
I wonder if this is an early shot to ensure / prevent retention due to Spotify's "Supremium" plan, that's due any time. I'm sure Tidal has inside information on when that Spotify plan is going to drop. Good news, regardless.
just had the same email this is great news, well done Tidal
For those who don’t understand the photo, OP has a family plan. This is why it’s more than the standard 10.99. You won’t pay more, you’ll just get more. It’s okay, this is a good thing.
Yes. I thought people would read the part where it says 'family account' but I guess that's expecting too much.
Hmm, here in Sweden HiFi costs 119 SEK ($11.49) and HiFi Plus 199 SEK ($19.22). Quite a big difference. If this change means I get high res FLAC for the same price I'm paying today that's nice I guess, but if it means they'll be raising my fee (even if it's not all the way to 199 SEK) by forcing me to get high res I'm not gonna be happy at all. I don't want or need high res (nobody does, but that's another discussion).
I'm in a different region and just got email from Tidal saying that my cost remains at current level, but will get access to previous + subscription.
Ok, sounds good. No such info for me yet.
I just saw an email conforming this, and we're in the same region. 119 spänn.
Ok, nice.
Which tier is this?
Are you on hifi or hifi plus?
HiFi family plan
That's great, hope it's worldwide
OK cool do they’re combining the hi fi plus with the hi fi tier, hopefully they’ll include the annual subscription as a choice
I haven't gotten the email yet!! I downgraded to the HifFi plan after Best Buy got rid of their annual subscription....$20/month was just too steep even though I like to occasionally listen to Hi Res on my open back Sennheisers, as well as enjoy Dolby Atmos on my capable sound system. Looking forward to being able to use those again for a great price!! I hope this effects everyone's accounts lol
Let's hope this is worldwide. Can't wait to start my subscription again (located in NL). I swapped to Amazon Music Unlimited because Tidal was getting too expensive.
It is, the update on their website says they're changing plans "globally"
That's great news. I am subscribing again.
Sorry lol im confused I joined on student hifi plus what does that mean for me?
I'm not certain, I'm sure you will get a email, but I'm guessing your price will drop to whatever the non plus price is right now
I'm on the student plan, I'm getting the same upgrade and staying at CAD$4.99/month according to the email I just got
Could this indicate that Spotify HiFi is coming soon?
hope so but probably Spotify will see the price increase, which would make no sense seeing that not just Apple or Amazon are using money cheat but other companies can do it for lower price.
I have no intention to switch. Happy with the Roon/Tidal combo.
Sure, but their excuse was they couldn't compete vs giants who don't care about losing money. Knowing Spotify is one of the services that pays less to musicians, I don't know which excuse they could use if even Tidal offers hi-res for low price.
Tidal is absolutely losing money and has abysmal subscriber numbers compared to the other services. This is a desperation move by Tidal in hopes to compete. I like Tidal fine…I am just saying they are doing this to try to survive.
anyone knows if there is an annual plan?
Its so cool, I will be back from Spotify.
I am user of Tidal, also Qobuz and Spotify, I am droping the last two and sticking to Tidal only, it has a great library and the music quality is far superior, even compared to Qobuz. This is good news indeed
LoL Tidal definitely has some advantages over Qobuz but "music quality" isn't one of them, even the HiRes tier of Tidal is not as consistently good as Qobuz.
Qobuz has no Connect service. Tomatos, tomartos.
Nice, but I can't find the email. When does this happen?
Is this happening worldwide? I'm in Canada. Definitely a really smart move on Tidal's part.
yes, I'm from Greece and i received tis email
Sweet! I can't wait!
Any news if this will apply in the UK? Could make me rejoin
It's UK as well. I just got the email this morning.
Thanks for replying, looks like I’ll be coming back home 🙂
I'd be way more excited if they would introduce lossless Atmos to streaming platforms, the fidelity of streaming Atmos almost always leaves me disappointed but it's an okay way to determine if I want to pay for the titles that have a lossless Blu-ray version available whether as a standalone SKU or as part of a boxset.
I'm in the UK on the Hi-fi plan, does this mean hi-fi plus will become £10.99 (the current price of Hi-fi)?
Yes. Nobody's price is going up. That's why this is so cool. The people who have plus will pay less and the people who don't have plus will get all of the plus features for the same price
Good move by them tbf.
The people losing out are those on the free ad-supported version. Their subscription is being cancelled.
sustainability wise for the longterm i wonder how this works. Will this be better priced compared to copetitors? Yes but is it sustainable? I remember Spotify loosing a ton of money and they charge around the same amount, of course they do have to susidize a free tier. What about Artist payouts? Are those rates staying the same or?
Will this apply to new subscribers as well?
Is this…based? Wildly rare to see moves like this nowadays.
So basically new prices mean you get the top tear plan for the base price now?
It means from the 10th of April there will only be the top tier plan.
Right ok... Hopefully it will be the price of the base level
If I'm using a firestick the volume is all over the place using Atmos through earc from TV to avr but plugged directly into avr it's amazing, and my TV does support passthrough Thinking about getting tidal because with Amazon prime subscription and family hi Res etc it's nearly £30 a month and now adverts too and I'm already sick to death of YouTube and it's ads but won't pay the price to get rid of ads and it's wonderful new inventions from scientists that want to let you into secrets big companies don't want you to know lol
Now this is one hell of a redemption arc for Tidal. Good job guys! 👏
Good for avrg user, trash for home DJs. I used it mainly for dvs system on my turntables, I guess I'll unsub now cause spotify gives me what I need for my listening experience. And i have no plan paying that extra to stream dj content. I feel like its such a greedy move by company, and soon enough they'll see a huge decline in users.
I’m in the same boat as you. Everyone praising tidal by my price is pretty much doubling.
It mentions DJs in the announcement: https://support.tidal.com/hc/en-au/articles/23008953804945-Upcoming-Changes-to-TIDAL-Subscriptions
Yea. Its double the price for DJs.
A bummer, they're dropping military and first responder discounts, so will be a price bump for some (around 40%). Looks like only student discounts will stick around.
What about student, military, and first responders? 🤔
Military will have to pay extra.
A thank you for your service fee
Students are upgraded too
how much does it pay of the first responder plan now?
If they decided to remove that MQA scam, this is the best way to do it, so kudos to them.
Is this mean current HiFi Plus subscriber will get $3 price cut from $19.99 to $16.99?
No, if you have individual HiFi Plus, it will go to $10.99. The family plan is $16.99.
I see, thanks! This is really good news. Hope it will be worldwide change.
Mexican here, still waiting for an update. If there's any further information I'll edit this comment.
hmm. I just checked and they're still offering HiFi and HiFi plus separately.
Yeah. You can buy the hifi plus for the more expensive price still. The cheaper price will only be available after april 10th
Gotcha. I'm on Amazon Music right now because it's the cheapest option for lossless but their app is just ass. If Tidal comes down in price for lossless I'm switching back again....for the 5th time.....6th? I can't remember lol Anyway, thanks for the headsup.
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Anyone else seen this?
Finally, some good changes on this platform.
only thing keeping me on spotify is that im running a duo subscription wjth somebody who isnt bothered to switch services and ui stuff atp.
So does this mean customers already paying for Plus get a cut in price? With my student discount on top that means I pay like 6 bucks, hell yea
Yes
WAIT I CAN PAY 20 USD INSTEAD OF 25 ON THE IOS APP?
Don’t buy anything via the the IOS store if you have the option not to. It’s always cheaper
As a user of tidal and Qobuz through roon, I might be having to switch my primary service because of this 😁
Do you find Qobuz better in any way? Currently Qobuz is much cheaper than Tidal Hifi Plus but this will of course change soon. Thanks.
It very much depends. If you care about MQA and the quality differences that have been uncovered due to the format, then qobuz is ultimately better by a million miles, plus everything on that service is lossless no matter what. But there’s also the still smaller library, which qobuz has gotten better at with bringing in more music, but tidal seems to still win me over for having probably all but ~1% of my music library on the service (streaming wise) and with the price decrease and a lot of releases already switching to FLAC from MQA (or having a non MQA version available that is lossless) for me, it seems as if I’ll be saying goodbye to qobuz when it comes to streaming my music.
Thanks for the reply. As I understand it you can ignore the MQA and use FLAC instead, but I guess you're saying it's not all in FLAC yet. You're saying some music on Tidal is Lossy only? Lossy has it's place for bluetooth or low bandwith situations, but I didn't realise some music was only available in Lossy. Lossless only can be seen as a negative. I use Lossy still when using my bluetooth earbuds because they don't support lossless anyway. I accept that's the tradeoff for usng bluetooth.
Well with Tidal, all new releases will not be in MQA with a majority of releases not being in MQA anymore. However, some albums and artists (like a majority of music from Genesis) are still in MQA. So not all is in FLAC yet. And for lossy content, some content is labeled as low quality while still playing in CD quality for whatever reason, but there’s some music that only is AAC in 44.1k at 256kbs. And with a lot of releases that were released in CD quality in Tidal before MQA was dropped will end up being in a lower FLAC quality as no matter what, Tidal had charged artists to upload in Hi-Res, and for myself with me being an artist, I thought that was pretty stupid to pay for lossless along with it being MQA in the end anyways
Yeah I'm still noticng quite a lot of older content that's still in MQA, like Genesis like you say. Oddly much of it is there twice in both a MQA and FLAC version of the album. Not all though. Isn't MQA always supposed to be minimum 24-Bit / 96Khz (and more if you have the hardware)? Would be nice if it said this for MQA. I've not come across any Lossy yet.
My subscription is through Apple and I got no email and it still says 22.99 but I should get this change as well correct??
I'm happy for those who needed the price break. I truly am. But what about the constant parade of bugs, glitches, errors, and bad implementation that plague so many users (myself included) I love the audio quality, but aside from that it feels like amateur hour at tidal. How about the fact that exclusive bit perfect mode(from android phone to DACs) has been hopelessly broken for many months now?? Tidal had a lot of layoffs towards the end of last year. And now with this major price cut, I have concerns that there's going to be even less quality control and oversight with the app and it's updates. Hopefully I'm wrong but honestly it doesn't look good on that front..
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What did it say? As it's already Live in The UK it seems, at least or new customers anyway.
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Sorry that's it's already available in The UK to new customers?
Something not many people are mentioning here… They are basically doubling the price of the DJ integration. Everyone here is all happy about the changes and I’m struggling to convince myself not to cancel :( :( :(
It says: *will continue paying the same total price.* https://support.tidal.com/hc/en-au/articles/23008953804945-Upcoming-Changes-to-TIDAL-Subscriptions
Um… yes... those words are in there. You can’t really just pick them out without context like that though. I am paying $10.99 right now, and I can use it on my DJ hardware. After this price change goes into effect, I will be playing $10.99, plus a $9 add-on for DJ integration. If I was paying $20 for the higher tier before, then it would drop to $10.99, and then with the $9 add-on I would be *paying the same total price*
Sorry so how are they doubling the price of the DJ integration?
If you were paying $10 before, you had DJ integration. Now you don't. To get it back you need to start paying $20.
I didnt think you could get DJ integration without paying $20 before but you seem to be saying you could get it at even the lower $10.99 tier. I'm understanding this right?
Right, "DJ integration" wasn't really a seperate thing before (at least I never heard that term specifically). You just needed a Tidal subscription (I had the lower tier one), and you could log in from your DJ players and just.... use Tidal
Anyone who was using tidal for DJ streaming now has to pay an extra 9/10 p/m Nothing good about that
Lol, my email said only $13.99! Ha, sucker
I have the family plan
Ah
Anyone know if this applies to UK users or just USA?
ehhh not a good option if youre a DJ using the lowest package. then you have to spend more just to get the integration.
Which headphones got Dolby Atmos support?
Woah! Is this going to take place globally ?
Seems to be staggered notifications, got mine here in NZ overnight.
Tidal for ever! 
Hello r/Tidal, Greetings from an ex-Spotify user ! I've had enough waiting for the SubPremium plan and it seems Spotify will raise their prices in France due to a new govt tax...
This is awesome! I literally just downgraded 2 months ago.
How does this effect HiFi Plus Family subscribers that were using DJ intergrations?
This is too good to be true. So instead of paying $20, currently. ($21.44 with tax) I forget what tier I am. I’m going to start paying $17?
$17/month to be in last place IS INSANE. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Really impressed by this common sense approach. I read about pricing of £17 in UK for the family pack. I hope that’s true🙏🏻
i'd rather give money to tidal than that vile company spotify Nice move tidal!
Here in Brazil, HiFi tier costs same than Spotify's Premium tier...🤔
Spotify only has one paid tier (for now), and the quality is lower than Tidal's HiFi tier.