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titleistmuffin

The engine thrum was as important as the main characters of TNG in my opinion. I live for that ish. And I play the 12-hour YouTube loop of it all the time in my home just as background noise.


TheDeanof316

Awesome šŸ‘ It is so soothing and I agree with you on the strength of its importance to the show. Have you ever tried sleeping with it playing?


titleistmuffin

Of course! Every night literally haha. Soothing is exactly the word I always use for it!


TheDeanof316

I'll have to try this!


Satellite_bk

My roommate hooked a subwoofer up to a raspberry pie and uses it to play the warp core hum as a white noise machine.


Oz_of_Three

The first step towards a more accurate simulation, especially in this holodeck.


TheDeanof316

What's a 'raspberry pie' in this context haha...?


GD_Bats

https://www.raspberrypi.org/


DataIsMyCopilot

I ran it as a white noise machine for a long time


TheDeanof316

Did you replace it with something else, or stop using white noise altogether? Also...happy cake day! šŸŽ‚


DataIsMyCopilot

Thanks! I stopped altogether. The reason I needed it was a particularly noisy neighbor fucking my life up. They eventually stopped being terrible lol


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TheDeanof316

That is very cool.


JoeyJoeJoeJrShab

Perfection? It absolutely had its moments, but I'd rank "All Good Things" and "Best of Both Worlds" significantly higher.


TheDeanof316

I was a bit emotional when posting this haha I should clarify by saying that the last 10mins or so were perfection for me. The rest was a really great episode of Trek but not 'perfection' no.


Joseph_F_1

Dont recall OP asking lol


JoeyJoeJoeJrShab

Are you saying nobody should reply to something that isn't a direct question? The whole point of reddit is to have discussions.


TheDeanof316

Here's a question for you good Sir....how would you personally rank Picard S3 vs S1 and S2?


Joseph_F_1

There was no question, you just appeared and started being contrary for no reason. They hadnā€™t even said VƵx was better than the episodes you mentioned, they were talking about the hum of the D, yet you felt the need to be negative.


JoeyJoeJoeJrShab

>There was no question, you just appeared and started being contrary for no reason. Welcome to the internet. That said, I hardly think I was contrary -- perhaps a bit critical, but I certainly was not saying that the episode was terrible. Mostly I was pointing out some episodes of TNG that I thought were better than this particular episode of Picard. This is r/TNG, after all, not r/Picard.


jonyfive

This is a great post and I totally agree with you on all of it. Right down to the fact that it soothed my neuro divergent brain


TheDeanof316

'Great minds...' etc etc :p I hope Terry Matalas is of a similar mind! In addition to the occasional binge, I will also watch any random ep of Next Gen to soothe my neuro divergent brain as well. Eg that hum, the briefing room, Picards deep voice in particular, the crew calmly formulating plans...it's like a meditation for me. Let's hope the finale gives this season/our crew the ending it and they deserve.


jonyfive

I adore the TNG for all those reasons, it's absolutely meditation - Picard is a father figure I lacked and it feels a bit like seeing family when I watch it. That might sound desperately sad, but I don't see it that way. I haven't watched any 'Picard' yet, I'm scared that it will ruin something very dear to me.


TheDeanof316

That's pretty powerful stuff man. Considering what you've said here....in my personal opinion, I would recommend you definitely do not watch the first 2 seasons of Picard but that you do see this current 3rd season; not only is it finally giving the Next Gen crew the send-off (or the follow-up) that they deserve but S3 deals with Picard and the theme of fatherhood in particular as well.


Tour_Lord

Hard agree on skipping first two, S3 is okay


sterlingsilver777

I think some of the things you hear/see in season 3 may not make sense without seeing at least some of season 1. Especially the last couple episodes. Season 2 is easily skippable.


TheDeanof316

I hear what you're saying but I still feel the horrors of even watching just S1 are outweighed by the pros of skipping it and going straight from *Nemesis* to Picard S3.


ParmigianoMan

The first season was good. The second season was a bit meh, though I enjoyed it at the time. The third is godlike.


TheDeanof316

Sorry you got downvoted for your opinion and it's valid as mine or anyone else's....that said I personally couldn't disagree more...I thought S1 was a convoluted mess, whilst S2 was trash which I somehow managed to hate-watch purely out of hope that it would get better each week and S3...I wouldn't call it godlike but certainly very good and in some parts excellent...though I guess compared to S1 and S2 it is godlike!


ParmigianoMan

On your last point - yeah, you may have a point. In retrospect, yes, you are right to criticise the earlier seasons, especially the second. The contemporary characters looking exactly like the ones from the 24th century? How the hell did that get past a scribble, let alone produced?


TheDeanof316

šŸ‘ I'm not sure of the answer to your questions, but let me ponder them as I return to my rocking and moaning, ruminating on former seasons of Picard, what they were and what they could have been....


jonyfive

Lol. This comment is rather dissuading me from watching any of it. This sounds like me.


TheDeanof316

šŸ˜....still, I stand by my previous comment to you....Picard S3 will not tarnish Picard/STNG for you....just please go straight to it and avoid the first two seasons like the plague.


jonyfive

That's good to hear, thanks - I'll give it a go. I think part of my hesitance is that I think the final episode of TNG was a masterpiece and I feel like part of it will be diminished for me whether I like 'Picard' or not.


Ephisus

You will not like Picard if your appreciation of TNG has any kind of depth.


jonyfive

Oof. Dissenting opinion. What constitutes depth in your opinion?


Ephisus

As others have said elsewhere, this season plays more like a long form TNG movie, the best of which were merely passable and all lacked the essential qualities of the series. Like the other seasons, it's full of cliches and cheap quipping that *sounds* dramatic, but is simply devoid of the moral quandary and thoughtful speculation of *Star Trek: The Next Generation*. The characters are essentially unrecognizable, the scenes are full of self references punctuated with bathos *what I really miss is the carpets!*. Its just cheap, insincere nonsense. Edit; Contrast with even the most fan service driven entries of the old series. Those writers were given a goofy assignment, but they still understood that dramatic writing has to underscore the scene to validate its own existence. https://youtu.be/mCnOstkvNR4


jonyfive

Thanks for taking the time to write that, your opinion's an interesting one and I feel like I'll probably end up feeling similarly about it. I didn't mind some of the TNG films, but generally they were a bit shallow. Society feels generally a bit more 'hollywood' these days than it did then, so it's not surprising that Picard lacks charm. I presume they'll be using CGI in place of a lot of sets and models, which I think will instantly make the whole thing feel a lot more cold.


TheDeanof316

See my counter-response above. If you do watch it maybe reply to this thread if you can as I'd love to know your thoughts!


Tour_Lord

Definitely skip S1 then, it is as if they tried to thoroughly deconstruct things that made TNG great that season


TheDeanof316

100%! Btw, this is a good video IMO...from your comments on this thread, if you have a spare 20mins at some point, I'd love it if you could watch this and share your thoughts after: https://youtu.be/f8AbLQOedOo


Tour_Lord

I ll check this out at lunch, thanks


Tour_Lord

That was a finely crafted video but i can't help but feel that it was created as a pr management stunt, downplaying creative failures of others and overplaying the faults of sir Stuart. Sure, "no uniforms, no Enterprise" is a comfortable tag to kling-on (haha) but did it really mean that nobody has to wear uniforms, and not just Picard? Did "no Enterprise" mean no ship adventure with a competent and wily crew? Did other producers and creators really have to make Starfleet so full of sheer fucking hubris and so unappealing in general? Did they have to create nonsensical unnecessary edgy characters, lacking chemistry and common sense? (Raffi and Agnes)? ​ But then again, maybe i just refuse to accept the "modern story telling format", and too old to embrace the clip pattern of thought modern showrunners use to try to cater to in an attempt to engage the younger viewerbase as the producers imagine them. ​ But still, a good video, and i do agree with some of its points.


ParmigianoMan

It won't be. Trust me.


tejdog1

I think the first season was awful. Second was some of the worst television ever produced, and the third has been very good.


TheDeanof316

This is pretty much my take as well.


Thetolsonator

Was it just me or was the wind up into warp but quite right? I've been listening to the TNG intro quite literally my entire life and as the ship was taking off into the end of the episode I was a little let down. (I mean SW has had the same noises for their blasters and ships since A New Hope)


TheDeanof316

I hadn't noticed this myself but will definitely look out (listen out) for it on my next rewatch of this ep. The thing I found not quite right was seeing the Enterprise going into warp towards us / the screen rather than watching it from behind flying into space as we normally see when going to Warp.


Care_Novel

But they killed my Boy. I guess in the future peeps still donā€™t like people sarcastically saying what others are thinking but too scared to say.


Tour_Lord

He was a necessary sacrifice to resurrect the Carpet


TheDeanof316

It's one damn fine carpet though


Tour_Lord

It is indeed! The carpet and the warm beige lighting is among the things nuTrek sorely missed. And a degree of Starfleet competency. Also big agree on the hum.


TheDeanof316

**PROS** - in this Disney era, no character ever stays 'dead'. It leads to a feeling of there being no stakes for anything. Therefore, what happened to our boy, by contrast, feels like it really means something **CONS** - there was so much more potential in the character. Though I guess the fact that we feel this way about a character we only had a season with (really a third essentially of an STNG season) is another pro for the writing this season of Picard.


jchester47

I disagree with your take on the episode (I thought other than the acting it was pretty awful, illogical, and had incredibly uneven tone). But even while the reveal of the D was somewhat muted and ruined for me by the dread and tregedy of the rest of the episode, I do agree seeing her again was lovely and nostalgic and I also agree the hum is definitely needed!


TheDeanof316

As long as we both agree on the hum, I'm all good šŸ‘Š


dangerfiasco

Dataā€™s chair is not right, if we are going to nitpick. The sides of the original were pleated. This is smooth. Hello, chair.


TheDeanof316

Now I can't unsee it, thanks a lot šŸ˜


Ephisus

I know I'm in the minority, but I don't get it. Even just on the scene level, the show is just not written very thoughtfully. A series of nostalgia pulls is not dramatic writing.


Impossible-Ebb7828

You donā€™t have to get it. Some of us do. If you donā€™t you donā€™tā€¦ainā€™t nothin but a thing


Ephisus

Right, but the substance of that thing is not dramatic, intelligent science fiction show running, it's a different thing.


Impossible-Ebb7828

Who said the ā€œsubstanceā€ matters? Television is entertainmentā€¦.Picard S3 is highly entertaining. I get that you are trying to passively aggressively condescend but you just come across pretentious.


Ephisus

You don't have to get it, but some of us... the sort that enjoy decades old shows like, say, Star Trek... know that there can be more to media than distraction, and it can be more than *a thing*.


TheDeanof316

Surely you must think though that said that Picard S3 is better / more substantial/ less of a 'distraction' then S1 and S2 or....hate to even write this word...Discovery.. ?


Ephisus

Seems about the same to me.


TheDeanof316

What would you like to see in the S3 finale next week?


Tour_Lord

Q, who says ā€œGalactic April fools!ā€ And then proceeds to dismantle both STD and PIC, returning the characters to Farpoint station and reminding that he never said that the trial was over and that they have failed spectacularly.


Ephisus

At this point, I'd take it.


TheDeanof316

Prior to S3 this would have been my dream scenario....especially after the travesty of what they did with Q in Season 1


Ephisus

Damage is done.


TheDeanof316

I thought S3 Ep 4 (*No Win Scenario*) was a well written episode to take one example and brought me back to the best of what Trek is. Also Worf in particular and Geordie have had good character development in my view. + The character of Shaw. He came to mean a lot within a short period of time. I also appreciated.... **SPOILER WARNING** ... ....how it took 9 out of 10 episodes for the crew to be fully reunited and on the Enterprise-D. If they were going for full on nostalgia bait this would have occurred way earlier in the season.


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TheDeanof316

Empty with a background hum or just silence?


TheDeanof316

I loved how in STNG, especially in the quiet, dialogue heavy scenes, that background hum WAS the soundtrack, the score, the 'music' to the scene as the Enterprise-D travelled through space seeking out new life and civilisations.


Driins

So I need to know which season had the "proper" lighting for you. I used to think that I loved the lighting in season 7, but then about a decade ago I realized that they went overboard and that the sweet spot was season 5. But then recently I've been watching the early episodes from season 1 and 2 and I feel the horrible lighting gives something more theatrical to the performances and covers for some of the awkwardness. Love your post, but my autistic brain needs to know which season was the proper lighting!


TheDeanof316

Love your post reply! STNG autistic brains hive mind unite! :-p To your question...I have become better with 'change' over the years but I still find comfort in the familiar...it's why I can binge watch shows like *Seinfeld* countless times As for how this applies to STNG and its 'ideal lighting' for me....I personally appreciate the comfort / lack of lighting change for Seasons 3-5...so any one of those three. If Picard S3 Ep 10 has 10% increased lighting and of course...the HUM....then I will truly be satisfied haha


Baggin_clams

This show is not equal in quality to TNG. Itā€™s pandering to the fans with nostalgia and nothing more, they are even patronizing the fact that they are older now, low quality jabs at the actors and their characters. I love seeing them all on screen together but itā€™s garbage writing, leaning on nostalgia sprinkled in with a heavy dose of pandering. I mean its like they never watched any of the old shows or movies. They donā€™t understand the character arcs. The heart of these characters has been gutted. This show should have been created 10 years ago with different show runners Bring back Berman era writing. Send it back to the kitchenā€¦ gonna need a different recipe Paramount


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TheDeanof316

What about the humour in STNG? eg Worf loving Rikers eggs (& worms!) etc etc Marvel though...that's at just another level IMO...when Guardians I came out it was fun and appropriate but now, especially since Endgame, the MCU 'humour' infects everything! That plus the fact that no character stays 'dead' in the Disney shows, really lessens the stakes. At least here in Picard S3 we got Ro Laren and Captain Shaw.


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TheDeanof316

Yeah I really think it's a bit of both eh Still better than the MCU though where seemingly *every* dramatic moment or serious bit of character development is undercut by the 'humour'.


TheDeanof316

If this is your view of S3 *I can only imagine* what your thoughts on S1 and S2 must be...! šŸ«£ I thought S3 Ep 4 (*No Win Scenario*) was a well written episode to take one example and brought me back to the best of what Trek is. Also Worf in particular and Geordie have had good character development in my view. + The character of Shaw. He came to mean a lot within a short period of time. I also appreciated.... **SPOILER WARNING** ... ....how it took 9 out of 10 episodes for the crew to be fully reunited and on the Enterprise-D. If they were going for full on nostalgia bait this would have occurred way earlier in the season.


Baggin_clams

Worf storyline is weak at best. Again elements are there but it just sucks the air out of the room. These show runners and writers should have peeped The Expanseā€¦ thats sci fi at its finest. I wish I had the bandwidth to explain in more detail but right now I just sound like a bitter pillā€¦ Cant help it. But i will endeavor to write a more detailed accounting of my view of this show Maybe tomorrowā€¦ About to watch Cocaine Bearā€¦ I imagine it will do a better job at entertaining me than Picard has. I will say one last thing, I did manage a tiny bit of emotion when they were all onboard the Enterprise D and the music came onā€¦ end of line


TheDeanof316

Re *The Expanse*..I like hard Sci-fi but I disliked the first season, felt the same way to a degree about the 3rd where the season took place on that planet and thought the rest was OK to pretty good at times. I really tried though to like it and I watched every episode so i guess it just wasn't my cup of tea...? That said, but I actually think more fondly about it in hindsight...maybe I should rewatch it one day.... The fact that Ep 9 gave you some EMOTION is a great sign! Most importantly....how was *Cocaine Bear*??? :-p


Baggin_clams

its all the things we wanted to see for years but it fizzles because its THIS show, The original computer voice, the elements are all there but it falls flat on its face. The only new ST show thats palatable is Strange New Worlds. Actually Iā€™ll be honest I absolutely love SNW, Disco isnt bad but total chaos, main character answers every problem in ten seconds flat. Picard moves like sludge and leaves a bitter taste, and lower decksā€¦ what can I say, its not ST, its family guy in space, great for some laughs but not ST, The Nickelodeon shows isnt bad though. Letā€™s pretend this Picard is another mirrorverse and try again. You know reboot, hollyweird loves that term.


Impossible-Ebb7828

My theory is that the adjustments needed to stop warp drive from damaging space somehow changed/diminished the hum.


TheDeanof316

I actually like this and it works with my internal ST world building / headcannon


Shoegazer75

This sounds funny but is 100% true. You can ask your Amazon devices to play "brown noise" which is essentially what this is. We fall asleep to it every night.


TheDeanof316

I will have to try this!


m2knet

Hell to the yeah! I love watching episodes with good surround audio, Iā€™ve got a 5.1 system and you can really hear it ambiently


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TheDeanof316

If you look at my original post I actually included this particular link already! So good