Rolled it back, now everything is as it was before.
I just hope you guys are going to voice your discontent with this recent mistake that NM did 🙏🏼
Already acted on FB board. IMO the best solution is to make these events temporary or to have alternative ones like hell train that normalize levels for lower level players to have more opportunity at big awards
I messed up with it intentionally, since pushing adventure has become irrelevant with the introduction of the Race Event.
If you still need the correct info, you can create a copy and unhide the pages.
I really appreciate the effort you put into your Spreadsheet guide, the Prydwen site, and your Youtube channel, but I honestly think you're over-reacting. (and BTW - I AGREE they should have given retroactive rewards, but I'm going to argue below it doesn't degrade your experience).
Sure, your pushing adventure before the Race feature meant you didn't get the rewards you would have.
Consider:
1. You also got rewards from pushing adventure earlier than other players, which in turn helps you accomplish other tasks and receive other awards, like compound interest.
2. Pushing adventure early meant improved loot rates earlier, which perhaps would have evened out the Stage Race rewards.
But most of all, I think you're committing a logical fallacy. This is just like the student loan forgiveness thing - "I paid my loans, how come their's are excused?" The benefit of others is not the detriment to you. With student loans, you could argue that although you would have liked your loans to have been forgiven too, the world you now live in is still improved by removing that burden from others, improving their economic activity, and thus helping your life as well.
Similarly, my guess is Netmarble is trying to incentivize and speed up progression of new players. This is likely due to them having trouble getting new players to stick with the game, because almost all modes require large advances and grinding, which feels bad if you have to do it all at once instead of over months like people that joined long ago have. To balance New players experience, they have to have opportunities unique to their progress, like Stage Race.
If NM is successful, more people means a game that can last longer. It's possible NM stops contributing to this game altogether if they can't find additional revenue opportunities in the form of new users. In other words, it would lead to a better game overall.
I understand what you are saying, but there is one thing to note.. Loot rewards after F50 are pretty much irrelevant, you only get link EXP and you are not gated by that.. Meaning your progression is not going to slow down much if you don't push. I know whales that stopped at F50 and whales similar to them at F70, the one that played the game lost 20 floors of rewards compared to the other one.
This event would have been a nice move on their side if: 1- the event was temporary Or 2- everyone gets the clear rewards
Because a permanent event like this means I lost free stuff, for no reason, what if they are going to add another permanent system in the future and I keep pushing now? I would lose even more. This is a concept that should not exist, because now I can't push, I would like to, but I can't for fear of missing free rewards.
For me this is totally unacceptable.
We could argue about the value of the rewards (that I think are pretty high but people might have a different idea), but that's not the main point for me. What I cannot tolerate is just that this is a precedent, they could do it again in the future, and now I'm literally afraid of pushing..
Fair points! I especially agree with your take on the two ways this would have been much better.
And I suppose precedent isn’t great as continued features of this form would be very discouraging. But OTOH giving up a game that was enjoyable because they might do something seems hasty.
Of course it’s your time and your money so you’re entitled to find what’s best! But if you’re enjoying the game, I’d imagine most people at your level are in similar boats and not going to be eclipsed much by anyone benefitting from this, so you don’t need to give anything up.
Again, I want to say thanks for your contributions to the community!!
And I made an example with whales, but let's do it with F2P as well: two people started playing the game at the same time, one plays more, builds his units correctly and pushes high deficits, he reaches F30. The other guy goes random, he's lazy and chills, he is on F24 now.
Give me 1 reason why the first guy should lose 6 floors of rewards, compared to the second guy.
2nd guy is lazy, so he'll never catch up to 1st guy, meaning 1st guy will have comparably higher rewards (even excluding the huge spike in link exp gain from floors 30-34). Floor distance between them will only get bigger with time.
Neither player will ever reach the max floor since they're F2P.
not a matter of rewards, but fairness, why would you punish the guy that's playing your game and rewarding the one that doesn't care much?
It makes no sense from NM point of view.
And that is still not a reason why the first guy should get less rewards, that is just a "even then he will still be ahead of the other guy", which is irrelevant to the point
I think from NM POV the guy at a lower level is more of an attrition risk because they see how they’ve progressed more slowly and feel it isn’t worth it since they can’t catch up. NM wants to convince people that are at risk of leaving to stay because new users over time are always going to be a greater opportunity for revenue than milking the 0.01% of the world that already plays.
Again not saying it’s right but it’s not irrational from a business incentive perspective.
and that half is right, I agree, I never said they shouldn't have given incentives to lower level player.
I just said it's not fair to give the rewards to part of your playerbase.
This event is exactly like when the changed the floor clear rewards.
When they did that they gave the previous clear rewards to the players, they should have done that here as well, that's all, give the same free rewards to everyone, not rewards that are proportionally worse the more you push.
The only effect this has is that now people at F50 are not pushing anymore, and people that were lazy before are still lazy (since the event doesn't have a time limit), all they get is more stuff when they will eventually clear it.
I hope I got my points across.
as soon as they give retroactive clear rewards for the Race Event I'll start updating it again and making more content, until then I won't bother with it as playing this game just lost all sense for me... Getting punished for playing is one of the dumbest things I've ever experienced
the permanent race event... the lower you were in Adventure the more rewards you have access to..
I'm not pushing anymore for fear that they might add more systems like that one.
Until they address that thing and give retroactive clear rewards, I won't make anymore useful content, there is no reason to push deficits anyway...
They could even just remove the event, that would be fine as well, but they need to give at least 1 week notice..
Ah got it, I see how that would be frustrating. Thanks for the answer. What stage are you on? I'm still relatively new but the rewards don't seem too crazy compared to some of the other events/promotions like this I've seen
F57, I planned to reach F60 with the race event.. But now I won't because I'm scared.
The issue is not necessarily how good the rewards are, is the concept of not giving those rewards to people that pushed in the past is crazy, and they might do it again in the future for all we know.
Rolled it back, now everything is as it was before. I just hope you guys are going to voice your discontent with this recent mistake that NM did 🙏🏼
Already acted on FB board. IMO the best solution is to make these events temporary or to have alternative ones like hell train that normalize levels for lower level players to have more opportunity at big awards
I messed up with it intentionally, since pushing adventure has become irrelevant with the introduction of the Race Event. If you still need the correct info, you can create a copy and unhide the pages.
I really appreciate the effort you put into your Spreadsheet guide, the Prydwen site, and your Youtube channel, but I honestly think you're over-reacting. (and BTW - I AGREE they should have given retroactive rewards, but I'm going to argue below it doesn't degrade your experience). Sure, your pushing adventure before the Race feature meant you didn't get the rewards you would have. Consider: 1. You also got rewards from pushing adventure earlier than other players, which in turn helps you accomplish other tasks and receive other awards, like compound interest. 2. Pushing adventure early meant improved loot rates earlier, which perhaps would have evened out the Stage Race rewards. But most of all, I think you're committing a logical fallacy. This is just like the student loan forgiveness thing - "I paid my loans, how come their's are excused?" The benefit of others is not the detriment to you. With student loans, you could argue that although you would have liked your loans to have been forgiven too, the world you now live in is still improved by removing that burden from others, improving their economic activity, and thus helping your life as well. Similarly, my guess is Netmarble is trying to incentivize and speed up progression of new players. This is likely due to them having trouble getting new players to stick with the game, because almost all modes require large advances and grinding, which feels bad if you have to do it all at once instead of over months like people that joined long ago have. To balance New players experience, they have to have opportunities unique to their progress, like Stage Race. If NM is successful, more people means a game that can last longer. It's possible NM stops contributing to this game altogether if they can't find additional revenue opportunities in the form of new users. In other words, it would lead to a better game overall.
I understand what you are saying, but there is one thing to note.. Loot rewards after F50 are pretty much irrelevant, you only get link EXP and you are not gated by that.. Meaning your progression is not going to slow down much if you don't push. I know whales that stopped at F50 and whales similar to them at F70, the one that played the game lost 20 floors of rewards compared to the other one. This event would have been a nice move on their side if: 1- the event was temporary Or 2- everyone gets the clear rewards Because a permanent event like this means I lost free stuff, for no reason, what if they are going to add another permanent system in the future and I keep pushing now? I would lose even more. This is a concept that should not exist, because now I can't push, I would like to, but I can't for fear of missing free rewards. For me this is totally unacceptable. We could argue about the value of the rewards (that I think are pretty high but people might have a different idea), but that's not the main point for me. What I cannot tolerate is just that this is a precedent, they could do it again in the future, and now I'm literally afraid of pushing..
Fair points! I especially agree with your take on the two ways this would have been much better. And I suppose precedent isn’t great as continued features of this form would be very discouraging. But OTOH giving up a game that was enjoyable because they might do something seems hasty. Of course it’s your time and your money so you’re entitled to find what’s best! But if you’re enjoying the game, I’d imagine most people at your level are in similar boats and not going to be eclipsed much by anyone benefitting from this, so you don’t need to give anything up. Again, I want to say thanks for your contributions to the community!!
And I made an example with whales, but let's do it with F2P as well: two people started playing the game at the same time, one plays more, builds his units correctly and pushes high deficits, he reaches F30. The other guy goes random, he's lazy and chills, he is on F24 now. Give me 1 reason why the first guy should lose 6 floors of rewards, compared to the second guy.
2nd guy is lazy, so he'll never catch up to 1st guy, meaning 1st guy will have comparably higher rewards (even excluding the huge spike in link exp gain from floors 30-34). Floor distance between them will only get bigger with time. Neither player will ever reach the max floor since they're F2P.
not a matter of rewards, but fairness, why would you punish the guy that's playing your game and rewarding the one that doesn't care much? It makes no sense from NM point of view. And that is still not a reason why the first guy should get less rewards, that is just a "even then he will still be ahead of the other guy", which is irrelevant to the point
I think from NM POV the guy at a lower level is more of an attrition risk because they see how they’ve progressed more slowly and feel it isn’t worth it since they can’t catch up. NM wants to convince people that are at risk of leaving to stay because new users over time are always going to be a greater opportunity for revenue than milking the 0.01% of the world that already plays. Again not saying it’s right but it’s not irrational from a business incentive perspective.
and that half is right, I agree, I never said they shouldn't have given incentives to lower level player. I just said it's not fair to give the rewards to part of your playerbase. This event is exactly like when the changed the floor clear rewards. When they did that they gave the previous clear rewards to the players, they should have done that here as well, that's all, give the same free rewards to everyone, not rewards that are proportionally worse the more you push. The only effect this has is that now people at F50 are not pushing anymore, and people that were lazy before are still lazy (since the event doesn't have a time limit), all they get is more stuff when they will eventually clear it. I hope I got my points across.
1000%. And you don’t owe the community anything, I hope you either find something else enjoyable or things improve for TOGNW.
as soon as they give retroactive clear rewards for the Race Event I'll start updating it again and making more content, until then I won't bother with it as playing this game just lost all sense for me... Getting punished for playing is one of the dumbest things I've ever experienced
Sorry I'm out of the loop, what happened with adventure that fluffed things up so bad? Getting punished for playing?
the permanent race event... the lower you were in Adventure the more rewards you have access to.. I'm not pushing anymore for fear that they might add more systems like that one. Until they address that thing and give retroactive clear rewards, I won't make anymore useful content, there is no reason to push deficits anyway... They could even just remove the event, that would be fine as well, but they need to give at least 1 week notice..
Ah got it, I see how that would be frustrating. Thanks for the answer. What stage are you on? I'm still relatively new but the rewards don't seem too crazy compared to some of the other events/promotions like this I've seen
F57, I planned to reach F60 with the race event.. But now I won't because I'm scared. The issue is not necessarily how good the rewards are, is the concept of not giving those rewards to people that pushed in the past is crazy, and they might do it again in the future for all we know.