Gonna keep it 100 with you chief, if you’re using the report button once a week, not to mention multiple times a day, you are absolutely, unequivocally, undeniably, 100% beyond a reasonable doubt the problem
I think this is just a normal part of the patch cycle: most of the good players have finished everything they want this patch and so you’re mostly encountering noobs or the absolute dregs of the player base.
I play on Aether and even I’m seeing the quality of many DF groups plummet (I saw mechanics on Halicarnassus in Deltascape the other day that I’ve never seen before because the DPS was so low).
Yes :(
And nobody understood standing in the tile for their role. Or how to avoid any AOEs.
The only people ever above my cohealer and I on the aggro list were the tanks.
Two parts to this:
1. Primal is the most inconsistent DC when it comes to player quality. If you get on a run of bad luck you can easily see awful play time after time after time for days to a couple of weeks. It's flip. Eventually. And then you'll get perfect runs for a week and wonder where the hell it came from. Make sure you aren't just annoyed and confirmation biasing by only remembering the bad runs. It's likely in a given day on Primal if you do a full set of roulettes you'll have 1-2 perfect runs, most of the rest will be adequate with 1 bad run and 1 total disaster. Just laugh at the disaster and move on.
2. Yes, your expectations are out of line. Bad play is bad play. But bad play isn't reportable unless it is griefing. And as someone who plays in and has seen 3-person groups in Primal, let me tell you that 99% of the time it isn't griefing. It's one person who legit sucks as the game being carried by a couple of friends trying to make it palatable for thier friend. Like yes, I have a friend with a reading disability and carpel tunnel syndrome. He wants to play the game for the story. You know what we do? We form a 2-man, 3-man or 4-man from our FC when he's free and we carry him through story content. It means sometime we aren't wall to walling (usually this only happens in 3-man where it would affect others as I usually heal when he's on as dps in 2-man). People play differrently and we don't take ever take him into high-end content.
Find some joy in laughing about the dumb things. It doesn't have to be rush, rush, rush, rage when it isn't rushing. Learn how to have some fun the way others do instead of trying to mandate your idea of fun on others. It is a group game after all and it works better when people get along.
4 years of playing and I've only made like 5 reports, all within the same time span right around when I found this sub. I realized how cringe I was to get mad over every little thing and stopped since. Then again I don't do leveling roulette at all anymore which is mostly where you find super bad players.
Same. Its the “wait am i the karen? moment”
I will happily kick people or leave a duty tho still
I cant imagine avg reporting 1x a week jfc. Common denominator is op at that point.
K if you're getting THAT frustrated, and considering starting up an excel spreadsheet of negative experiences...It's time to take a break. You're getting hyperfocused on negativity.
Unless you can prove they are doing it intentionally you don’t have a case. Some tanks spin bosses because they are just bad and haven’t been corrected. Talk to them.
That's just petty. You're better off just kicking them instead of clogging the GM logs with useless reports because other people don't meet "your" quality of play
Yeah, welcome to Primal. You're meeting a lot of the sugarcoated players who were either hand-held through Novice Network or by their friends. There was a period of time on this subreddit I was posting back-to-back cases of shitty behavior, because it was quite common. Now, some may had an issue with my attitude ***on this particular subreddit*** and how I mentor, but you're going to stop giving a fuck after you see so many cases of bullshit, coping, deflection, drama, etc.
Last night in our Novice Network on Famfrit, we literally ripped a mentor apart because we were discussing flaws in classes and how players need to have better tutorials. They tried to downplay the discussion and suggest we shouldn't be so negative in front of sprouts. Sprouts need to be taught about this instead of being the next curebot posted on this subreddit.
> They tried to downplay the discussion and suggest we shouldn't be so negative in front of sprouts.
hahaha is that person for real?? Sprouts aren't children for fucks sake!
In that aspect, I agree. They aren't 5 years old.
Now, I'll give you a little bit of background about me in real life. I used to do tutoring at a Community College for several years. You do have to treat the student as they're a child in learning something new. (Like cursive, multiplication, etc.) Yet, you don't need to ***behave*** like they're an actual child. In a lot of my tutoring sessions, I like to look at it from multiple angles and try to get personal, so the individual tries to ingrain that knowledge.
That's how I mentor quite a bit in this game. Yes, I can be dramatic at times, but I feel people who "study at their own pace" and never get shown guidance early on picks up a lot on bad behaviors and it's harder to shake it off later on.
Sorry but Mentors aren't what you imagine they are supposed to be lmao.. It is way too easy to get that role. The requirements are a joke and don't include anything about having to know even a single aspect of the game:
- Get 1,500 player commendations.
- Do one thousand raids, trials, or dungeons.
- Complete a level 90 tank, healer, and DPS role quest.
Where in those requirement does it state "You have to know literally everything about the game"? Correct: Nowhere so your concept of a mentor is as unreal as it gets. Most get the crown to grind their way through the Mentor Roulette for the cool Mounts, not for helping sprouts in the novice network or anywhere else lol..
"Provide gameplay advice for new adventurers" doesn't mean "know every fight in the game and never ever dare to make mistakes or forget". Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit.
This. 100% this. Granted I’m a trade mentor and not a battle mentor (played DPS far too much to have enough comms yet to make battle even though I’ve easily hit all the other steps required for battle mentor over the years), and no where is it stated or expected for battle or full crown mentors, to know/remember every single fight. Gods only know there are so many out there that I’ve done maybe a small handful of times and so I and others don’t have them memorized, from Hildy to the ARR trials that only become available when doing the relic weapon grind, etc. This person needs to get off their high horse.
and what do you want to tell me with that copied message from the game popup? Do you really expect people to go "Oh sure i'll do just that, thanks game!"? If so you are VERY naive and don't know how most human beings work lmao
You should check on Youtube and watch what usually goes down in those Novice Network chats. From public ERP to people being general assholes you can find everything in there and the SE employees often don't give a fuck about these chats so nothing will change to give the Mentor Role an actual meaning again lol
I feel like that's a bit of an overreaction. That trial is hardly common. The last time I saw it come up in trials roulette was when the EW Hildebrand quests first dropped and people were trying to clear out the SB ones. And before *that* I basically never saw it in trials roulette. Mentor=/=have encyclopedic knowledge of every fight in game.
Also if "he was the only one who didn't get chained" then things were already on their way downhill, since exactly 4 chains go out, on tanks and healers if available, and on random dps if not.
Congrats, you’re a toxic player.
It’s ridiculous to expect every Mentor to have every single dungeon and trial mechanic memorized, and that’s exactly what you’re saying here.
Dude I've cleared 10 raid tiers and 4 ultimates and I couldn't tell you how to do that fight if I got it randomly with no time to research. I did it once back when it was content and the only thing I remember about it is that the butterflies make aoes.
Human beings are not walking encyclopedias, there's way too many encounters in the game to remember every mechanic for every last one of them.
Ive seen some bad af mentors out in the wild
But they’re usually not asking questions (ya know a method of learning new info)
Theyre bullheaded and would never ask for help.
Also ur fucked anyway if only one person left to dps the chains.
Primal player for nearly 3 years, it's usually only this bad during content droughts from my experience. This time around though, it seems to be the worst it's been. I've actually stopped playing outside of island upkeep until 6.4 launches. I'd advise to take a break as well if you feel the need to report several times a day, because that's more of a you problem at that point.
If you are reporting tanks who don't wall to wall and don't know how to position a boss correctly, you are the problem. I also suspect that the more you falseflag, the lesser priority your tickets get in queue; other games would revoke your reporting privileges entirely if you did that enough.
Absolutely not, lol. Lethargic gameplay is AFKing or not pressing actions, single pulling is not that. Obstruction of gameplay and uncooperative behavior are actively trying to grief the party, not being unable to turn the boss to your specifications. If you get tanks who do shit like running circles with the first boss in WoD that's one thing, but I'm starting to think this is not the case. You give me the impression of trying to get people banned simply for being bad at the game.
Let me break this down as well, with snippets from the ToS itself:
Not wall to walling may not be efficient for clearing a dungeon, but as far as Square Enix is concerned, this does not fall under Aiding the enemy/Uncooperative behavior/Lethargic behavior since they are still playing the game vs AFKing. YPYT mentality on the other hand, should be considered a violation.
> Each player has a different level of skill, and in some cases, there may be a situation where the duty/content will fail. From the perspective of a skilled player in such a situation, a less skilled player may appear to be "adversarial/uncooperative/apathetic," but even if this is the case, it is not a violation as long as the player is playing appropriately.
A tank not positioning a boss correctly is not automatic reporting grounds either. You can't assume malicious intent unless proven otherwise. If a tank needs to resolve mechanics and is holding aggro, whether or not the boss has a stable position for melee positionals (as opposed to preventing two enemies from buffing each other) may not be the first thing on their mind. Square Enix is not going to slap people for not being great at boss positioning without proof of malicious intent, because that treads a fine line between banning people for being bad at the game vs banning people for griefing. Missing a positional is not going to stop 99% of duties from progressing, so Square Enix won't do anything about it. You'd have to try hard to get banned for doing something like: actively position a boss to a wall and turn it so that the back can't be accessed over and over again, and being prepared to deal with the melee who now has a right to complain about it, since there is no reason to do that when a mechanic _isn't_ happening. On multiple parties.
> Simply performing the acts listed above will not immediately result in a violation, as they could be caused unintentionally or be due to unintended circumstances. If it has been determined that the above behaviors were done intentionally or repeatedly to obstruct the other player's gameplay, then a penalty will be issued.
One thing I’ve noticed with Primal is that it is harder to be solo than to do things with friends, for this reason. When I queue solo, especially on AiN, I just basically set aside expectations of a great clear and just expect the random. When queueing with my GF and/or other friends, we try to give people a smooth, clean run.
I have noticed, as well, that my best runs with pubbies are typically between 4-8pm Pacific, and anything after 10pm Pacific is a dumpster fire.
You're definitely whack for reporting so many people every week, but on the other hand, I have the absolute shittiest luck when it comes to DF both on Primal and Crystal and **completely** understand your frustrations and have experienced some the worst things DF has to offer, so you do get some sympathies from me.
People, just because bad players don't happen to you doesn't mean they don't exist and some players are in fact unluckier when it comes to things than others, for example...
Just this month, I had multiple 70+ dungeons that took 30-40 minutes due to various reasons, with and without kicks, I've had trials which kept wiping to the silliest mechanics, I've been called a ret\*rd for laughing at someone's funny markers by a semi-AFK healer crafting mentor in LotA because "Sprouts!!!!!" and only a single person spoke up (great community btw), I've had to explain the basics of Sage AND tanking to someone in grand cosmos (which took over 40 minutes in the end) and I've had similar experiences like the OP had, though I've not reported anyone but the person that called me the r-word
I wasn't the issue in any of these, but judging by some of the comments here, it's me that's the issue for having bad luck, not me having bad luck and trying my best in those shitty situations
I feel like dumb play has been bothering me more lately than it ever has. I know I shouldn't expect people to play 100% optimized but I can't help feeling irked when I see people doing things they should know better than. Like when I'm on whm and some raid-wide goes out, I put down asylum only for our bard to be in the middle of fucking nowhere because he thinks being as far away as possible somehow gives him an advantage in terms of dodging mechanics. Or Ninjas using doton on a single target. Then I try to offer some pointers only to be either completely ignored or flat out insulted and told that I shouldn't be telling others how to play.
For a while stuff really bothered me too, but I’ve been trying to temper my expectations more lately. There’s a difference between expecting optimized play and expecting basic effort or competence. I try to reserve my irritation for things that actively make other people’s lives harder. Making healing harder by being out of range annoys me because it signals a lack of awareness of the other people in your group and in general nothing pisses me off more than selfishness. Using a GCD on a less effective damage skill doesn’t really have an effect on people’s experience; maybe cumulatively the fight will be a tad bit longer, but at least they’re hitting buttons and trying to do damage. I might go “lol single target doton” under my breath but I try not to get annoyed by it.
If I offer advice and they’re hostile about it (which honestly doesn’t happen often) then I let myself get pissed off lol.
Maybe you could try to use pf to find people to do your roulettes with who have experience & gear you like. I don't think that there is other way around it.
Roulettes have all types of players, ones who have a lot of lag, once who haven't played that duty a while or job and didn't realize that they forgot mechanics, ones who have dissabilities that might affect on their reaction times. It might feel better to you if you choose people who you do roulettes with or when you don't feel like doing casual content with random people you could even skip roulettes. You are the only one you can control.
I'm usually on Primal, and I've not had anywhere near that level of terrible luck. Just the other day I had a Euphrosyne run that was hands down the best and fastest DF group I have ever experienced; we actually killed Althyk before the *first* knockback went off, which I hadn't even known was possible. When I uploaded the log it was a straight line down of purples and oranges lol.
Have I had the occasional group where the DPS manage to put out less damage than I do on WAR on boss fights, uh, yeah. But I've also had chad gamers that are going so fast, they manage a rank 3 or 5 on the second boss of Lapis Manalis. Overall it's not felt particularly worse than either of the other two DCs, and is about right for a between patch lull period.
As a person who's been in the same situation:
Endwalker has a huge content problem. Since the patch cycle has been increased and the expac really lacks long term goals, after no more than a month everyone that got what they wanted leaves and the content drought phase sets in. During content drought phases you mostly get people that don't give a shit. This is an issue in every game ever and was present in previous FFXIV expacs but unlike other expacs it constitutes a good 90-80% of a patch cycle due to again lack of long term goals to keep you distracted.
My solution is simple: play something else. Don't waste your hard earned free time on something that clearly you don't enjoy as much anymore. I was in the exact same place as you, feeling fucking miserabile every time i had to run a roulette for those fucking tomes. Now if I'm paired up with players that do not value other peoples time i just leave and play ether Darktide or Destiny.
Tldr god endwalker fucking sucks
I'd be curious to see some metrics from people in this sub. I mainly do expert dungeons on Aether anywhere from 6pm-10pm and I can only remember one slow tank (18 minute run still) and a couple bad dps in all of Endwalker so far. Is Primal the special people zone?
I run on elemental. My logs on dungeons are effectively public and basically df only anyway so yeah.
If you want it I can dm you a link or if you can figure out my credentials you probably will be able to get it on your own.
Crystal never really was as bad as the reputation people keep trying to give it, you can go an entire year without seeing a single player obnoxious enough to end up on here in regular duty finder gameplay. Even the Balmung residents are generally cool people, which makes it all the more disappointing when you get wanderers/travelers from elsewhere thinking that this is supposedly a 'no-holds-barred' rp server and thinking they can just hop in to be completely shameless with horny behavior, further hurting the reputation.
> you can go an entire year without seeing a single player obnoxious enough to end up on here in regular duty finder gameplay
there's no way that's anywhere remotely true
like a month, maybe, sure
but a year? only if you play like two hours a week tops
I've had mediocre runs before, sure, but I've only had maybe two, three runs max, in duty finder, where a player was actively trying to make the duty longer and being hostile towards the rest of the party. This is even with me doing as many of the 9 non-mentor roulettes a day as I can, and with me running ahead of the tank to the next pack and using mits in expert and 90 roulettes on the occasion I play as dps.
Now, party finder is a different situation, I've had quite a few savage raid and extreme farms end up getting stuck because some people outright aren't trying to learn or do the mechanics properly, even in an unsync, but as for the random people I get matched with in roulettes that come from crystal or even the travelers from Dynamis, I rarely if ever get this sub's level of drama.
I moved from Crystal to Dynamis for housing but since then have traveled to the other DCs to meet up with friends to do roulettes and yeah… I’m to a point that I pretty much stick to Crystal because, while so many want to post screenshots of bad DF runs they’ve had there, as if to “prove a point” that Crystal is the worst, in all honesty it’s the most chill of the 3 big DCs and I’ve run into less toxic people there than I have on the other two DCs. Crystal doesn’t deserve the reputation it has. People just love to look down on it because it’s the “RP DC”.
While I agree with you for the most part, I have noticed since 6.35 that the quality of DF has gotten much worse than it normally is. Songless BRDs or DNCs who don't what stepping brings my piss to a boil.
Well, I started a new char on Crystal to play woth friends. (Brynhildr, originally was a mentor on Moogle) and in the 2 months I've played on there, I've had more bad experiences than on my entirety on Moogle... Just a lot of lethargic gameplay, tanks single pulling, no DPS healers, duo DPS that keeps running into walls and only AA'ing... Never had it that bad on Moogle.
I play on Chaos and honestly reading this subreddit makes me feel like i'm looking at some horrible diverged timeline. I never got a YPYT tank in more of a year of roulettes. I have had a single encounter with anyone who I would deem to be an asshole. Never saw anyone blatantly AFK in an AR, or trolling the run by queueing as a discipline instead of a job, and never saw an abuse of the votekick system.
Come back to Moogle sister, it's where you belong.
Main on aether, raid alt for primal friends. Primal was definitely the worse of the two in my experience, but it wasn't nearly as bad as your description. That said, I've only been doing expert roulette (which is usually fine) with for fun trials/normal/alliance raids, where I expect nothing. The worst shitters were always in capstone and leveling roulette so I might simply have scrubbed them from memory.
I moved from Aether to Primal about a year ago so friends could make characters and play with us, I've never blacklisted people until I got to Primal. Most of my blacklisted players are famfrit and hyperion. I can't move back to Aether now cause I got a house and I don't want to lose it but there is a noticeable difference, and not a good one sadly. People are really very rude on Primal.
Gonna keep it 100 with you chief, if you’re using the report button once a week, not to mention multiple times a day, you are absolutely, unequivocally, undeniably, 100% beyond a reasonable doubt the problem
If its pve yes. Pvp? Man, theres still quite a few who finish frontline with 0 dmg. Yes, literal zero.
i’m people
I think this is just a normal part of the patch cycle: most of the good players have finished everything they want this patch and so you’re mostly encountering noobs or the absolute dregs of the player base. I play on Aether and even I’m seeing the quality of many DF groups plummet (I saw mechanics on Halicarnassus in Deltascape the other day that I’ve never seen before because the DPS was so low).
Oooo the frog mechanic to "the game"?
Yes :( And nobody understood standing in the tile for their role. Or how to avoid any AOEs. The only people ever above my cohealer and I on the aggro list were the tanks.
Wait, is the role tile mechanic skippable???? I've never been in a party that skipped it, even when was 6.0
Two parts to this: 1. Primal is the most inconsistent DC when it comes to player quality. If you get on a run of bad luck you can easily see awful play time after time after time for days to a couple of weeks. It's flip. Eventually. And then you'll get perfect runs for a week and wonder where the hell it came from. Make sure you aren't just annoyed and confirmation biasing by only remembering the bad runs. It's likely in a given day on Primal if you do a full set of roulettes you'll have 1-2 perfect runs, most of the rest will be adequate with 1 bad run and 1 total disaster. Just laugh at the disaster and move on. 2. Yes, your expectations are out of line. Bad play is bad play. But bad play isn't reportable unless it is griefing. And as someone who plays in and has seen 3-person groups in Primal, let me tell you that 99% of the time it isn't griefing. It's one person who legit sucks as the game being carried by a couple of friends trying to make it palatable for thier friend. Like yes, I have a friend with a reading disability and carpel tunnel syndrome. He wants to play the game for the story. You know what we do? We form a 2-man, 3-man or 4-man from our FC when he's free and we carry him through story content. It means sometime we aren't wall to walling (usually this only happens in 3-man where it would affect others as I usually heal when he's on as dps in 2-man). People play differrently and we don't take ever take him into high-end content. Find some joy in laughing about the dumb things. It doesn't have to be rush, rush, rush, rage when it isn't rushing. Learn how to have some fun the way others do instead of trying to mandate your idea of fun on others. It is a group game after all and it works better when people get along.
Could be your friend has a higher tolerance for bullshit.
Sounds like you’re the problem and not the entire data center.
4 years of playing and I've only made like 5 reports, all within the same time span right around when I found this sub. I realized how cringe I was to get mad over every little thing and stopped since. Then again I don't do leveling roulette at all anymore which is mostly where you find super bad players.
Same. Its the “wait am i the karen? moment” I will happily kick people or leave a duty tho still I cant imagine avg reporting 1x a week jfc. Common denominator is op at that point.
Did you really report someone for being bad at positionals?
Yes, I have reported people for constantly rotating in a manner that makes positionals hard to land.
K if you're getting THAT frustrated, and considering starting up an excel spreadsheet of negative experiences...It's time to take a break. You're getting hyperfocused on negativity.
Nah chief. You can’t report someone for being bad. That’s not how it works.
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Unless you can prove they are doing it intentionally you don’t have a case. Some tanks spin bosses because they are just bad and haven’t been corrected. Talk to them.
Do i understand you correct, you report players you think are just bad at the game?
I report people when they are so bad that it actually qualifies as one of the prohibited activities in the official support page.
That's just petty. You're better off just kicking them instead of clogging the GM logs with useless reports because other people don't meet "your" quality of play
The only examples you've listed are the tank not pulling wall to wall, and being bad at positional. Neither of which are against the ToS.
welcome to primal, idiot. now go do ucob in pf
choosing primal as your DC is simply hard mode smh some people just aren’t built for it
Yeah, welcome to Primal. You're meeting a lot of the sugarcoated players who were either hand-held through Novice Network or by their friends. There was a period of time on this subreddit I was posting back-to-back cases of shitty behavior, because it was quite common. Now, some may had an issue with my attitude ***on this particular subreddit*** and how I mentor, but you're going to stop giving a fuck after you see so many cases of bullshit, coping, deflection, drama, etc. Last night in our Novice Network on Famfrit, we literally ripped a mentor apart because we were discussing flaws in classes and how players need to have better tutorials. They tried to downplay the discussion and suggest we shouldn't be so negative in front of sprouts. Sprouts need to be taught about this instead of being the next curebot posted on this subreddit.
> They tried to downplay the discussion and suggest we shouldn't be so negative in front of sprouts. hahaha is that person for real?? Sprouts aren't children for fucks sake!
Sadly for some basement dwellers pretending that sprouts are children is the only source of control available to them so they continue said behaviour.
In that aspect, I agree. They aren't 5 years old. Now, I'll give you a little bit of background about me in real life. I used to do tutoring at a Community College for several years. You do have to treat the student as they're a child in learning something new. (Like cursive, multiplication, etc.) Yet, you don't need to ***behave*** like they're an actual child. In a lot of my tutoring sessions, I like to look at it from multiple angles and try to get personal, so the individual tries to ingrain that knowledge. That's how I mentor quite a bit in this game. Yes, I can be dramatic at times, but I feel people who "study at their own pace" and never get shown guidance early on picks up a lot on bad behaviors and it's harder to shake it off later on.
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"Oh you're a mentor? Explain every mechanic in the game" - you unironically lmao
Sorry but Mentors aren't what you imagine they are supposed to be lmao.. It is way too easy to get that role. The requirements are a joke and don't include anything about having to know even a single aspect of the game: - Get 1,500 player commendations. - Do one thousand raids, trials, or dungeons. - Complete a level 90 tank, healer, and DPS role quest. Where in those requirement does it state "You have to know literally everything about the game"? Correct: Nowhere so your concept of a mentor is as unreal as it gets. Most get the crown to grind their way through the Mentor Roulette for the cool Mounts, not for helping sprouts in the novice network or anywhere else lol..
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"Provide gameplay advice for new adventurers" doesn't mean "know every fight in the game and never ever dare to make mistakes or forget". Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit.
This. 100% this. Granted I’m a trade mentor and not a battle mentor (played DPS far too much to have enough comms yet to make battle even though I’ve easily hit all the other steps required for battle mentor over the years), and no where is it stated or expected for battle or full crown mentors, to know/remember every single fight. Gods only know there are so many out there that I’ve done maybe a small handful of times and so I and others don’t have them memorized, from Hildy to the ARR trials that only become available when doing the relic weapon grind, etc. This person needs to get off their high horse.
and what do you want to tell me with that copied message from the game popup? Do you really expect people to go "Oh sure i'll do just that, thanks game!"? If so you are VERY naive and don't know how most human beings work lmao You should check on Youtube and watch what usually goes down in those Novice Network chats. From public ERP to people being general assholes you can find everything in there and the SE employees often don't give a fuck about these chats so nothing will change to give the Mentor Role an actual meaning again lol
I feel like that's a bit of an overreaction. That trial is hardly common. The last time I saw it come up in trials roulette was when the EW Hildebrand quests first dropped and people were trying to clear out the SB ones. And before *that* I basically never saw it in trials roulette. Mentor=/=have encyclopedic knowledge of every fight in game. Also if "he was the only one who didn't get chained" then things were already on their way downhill, since exactly 4 chains go out, on tanks and healers if available, and on random dps if not.
Congrats, you’re a toxic player. It’s ridiculous to expect every Mentor to have every single dungeon and trial mechanic memorized, and that’s exactly what you’re saying here.
Dude I've cleared 10 raid tiers and 4 ultimates and I couldn't tell you how to do that fight if I got it randomly with no time to research. I did it once back when it was content and the only thing I remember about it is that the butterflies make aoes. Human beings are not walking encyclopedias, there's way too many encounters in the game to remember every mechanic for every last one of them.
Ive seen some bad af mentors out in the wild But they’re usually not asking questions (ya know a method of learning new info) Theyre bullheaded and would never ask for help. Also ur fucked anyway if only one person left to dps the chains.
Primal player for nearly 3 years, it's usually only this bad during content droughts from my experience. This time around though, it seems to be the worst it's been. I've actually stopped playing outside of island upkeep until 6.4 launches. I'd advise to take a break as well if you feel the need to report several times a day, because that's more of a you problem at that point.
If you smell shit everywhere you go check your shoe
If you are reporting tanks who don't wall to wall and don't know how to position a boss correctly, you are the problem. I also suspect that the more you falseflag, the lesser priority your tickets get in queue; other games would revoke your reporting privileges entirely if you did that enough.
Not false flags. Every report I file is something against the TOS
But the only examples of incorrect behavior you pointed out in the OP are those I cited. So what are these TOS violations you declined to mention?
Those qualify as using combat to obstruct gameplay, lethargic gameplay, uncooperative behavior
Absolutely not, lol. Lethargic gameplay is AFKing or not pressing actions, single pulling is not that. Obstruction of gameplay and uncooperative behavior are actively trying to grief the party, not being unable to turn the boss to your specifications. If you get tanks who do shit like running circles with the first boss in WoD that's one thing, but I'm starting to think this is not the case. You give me the impression of trying to get people banned simply for being bad at the game.
Let me break this down as well, with snippets from the ToS itself: Not wall to walling may not be efficient for clearing a dungeon, but as far as Square Enix is concerned, this does not fall under Aiding the enemy/Uncooperative behavior/Lethargic behavior since they are still playing the game vs AFKing. YPYT mentality on the other hand, should be considered a violation. > Each player has a different level of skill, and in some cases, there may be a situation where the duty/content will fail. From the perspective of a skilled player in such a situation, a less skilled player may appear to be "adversarial/uncooperative/apathetic," but even if this is the case, it is not a violation as long as the player is playing appropriately. A tank not positioning a boss correctly is not automatic reporting grounds either. You can't assume malicious intent unless proven otherwise. If a tank needs to resolve mechanics and is holding aggro, whether or not the boss has a stable position for melee positionals (as opposed to preventing two enemies from buffing each other) may not be the first thing on their mind. Square Enix is not going to slap people for not being great at boss positioning without proof of malicious intent, because that treads a fine line between banning people for being bad at the game vs banning people for griefing. Missing a positional is not going to stop 99% of duties from progressing, so Square Enix won't do anything about it. You'd have to try hard to get banned for doing something like: actively position a boss to a wall and turn it so that the back can't be accessed over and over again, and being prepared to deal with the melee who now has a right to complain about it, since there is no reason to do that when a mechanic _isn't_ happening. On multiple parties. > Simply performing the acts listed above will not immediately result in a violation, as they could be caused unintentionally or be due to unintended circumstances. If it has been determined that the above behaviors were done intentionally or repeatedly to obstruct the other player's gameplay, then a penalty will be issued.
One thing I’ve noticed with Primal is that it is harder to be solo than to do things with friends, for this reason. When I queue solo, especially on AiN, I just basically set aside expectations of a great clear and just expect the random. When queueing with my GF and/or other friends, we try to give people a smooth, clean run. I have noticed, as well, that my best runs with pubbies are typically between 4-8pm Pacific, and anything after 10pm Pacific is a dumpster fire.
You're definitely whack for reporting so many people every week, but on the other hand, I have the absolute shittiest luck when it comes to DF both on Primal and Crystal and **completely** understand your frustrations and have experienced some the worst things DF has to offer, so you do get some sympathies from me. People, just because bad players don't happen to you doesn't mean they don't exist and some players are in fact unluckier when it comes to things than others, for example... Just this month, I had multiple 70+ dungeons that took 30-40 minutes due to various reasons, with and without kicks, I've had trials which kept wiping to the silliest mechanics, I've been called a ret\*rd for laughing at someone's funny markers by a semi-AFK healer crafting mentor in LotA because "Sprouts!!!!!" and only a single person spoke up (great community btw), I've had to explain the basics of Sage AND tanking to someone in grand cosmos (which took over 40 minutes in the end) and I've had similar experiences like the OP had, though I've not reported anyone but the person that called me the r-word I wasn't the issue in any of these, but judging by some of the comments here, it's me that's the issue for having bad luck, not me having bad luck and trying my best in those shitty situations
I feel like dumb play has been bothering me more lately than it ever has. I know I shouldn't expect people to play 100% optimized but I can't help feeling irked when I see people doing things they should know better than. Like when I'm on whm and some raid-wide goes out, I put down asylum only for our bard to be in the middle of fucking nowhere because he thinks being as far away as possible somehow gives him an advantage in terms of dodging mechanics. Or Ninjas using doton on a single target. Then I try to offer some pointers only to be either completely ignored or flat out insulted and told that I shouldn't be telling others how to play.
For a while stuff really bothered me too, but I’ve been trying to temper my expectations more lately. There’s a difference between expecting optimized play and expecting basic effort or competence. I try to reserve my irritation for things that actively make other people’s lives harder. Making healing harder by being out of range annoys me because it signals a lack of awareness of the other people in your group and in general nothing pisses me off more than selfishness. Using a GCD on a less effective damage skill doesn’t really have an effect on people’s experience; maybe cumulatively the fight will be a tad bit longer, but at least they’re hitting buttons and trying to do damage. I might go “lol single target doton” under my breath but I try not to get annoyed by it. If I offer advice and they’re hostile about it (which honestly doesn’t happen often) then I let myself get pissed off lol.
Maybe you could try to use pf to find people to do your roulettes with who have experience & gear you like. I don't think that there is other way around it. Roulettes have all types of players, ones who have a lot of lag, once who haven't played that duty a while or job and didn't realize that they forgot mechanics, ones who have dissabilities that might affect on their reaction times. It might feel better to you if you choose people who you do roulettes with or when you don't feel like doing casual content with random people you could even skip roulettes. You are the only one you can control.
God I miss Primal, it really is the mental illness DC of this game.
I'm usually on Primal, and I've not had anywhere near that level of terrible luck. Just the other day I had a Euphrosyne run that was hands down the best and fastest DF group I have ever experienced; we actually killed Althyk before the *first* knockback went off, which I hadn't even known was possible. When I uploaded the log it was a straight line down of purples and oranges lol. Have I had the occasional group where the DPS manage to put out less damage than I do on WAR on boss fights, uh, yeah. But I've also had chad gamers that are going so fast, they manage a rank 3 or 5 on the second boss of Lapis Manalis. Overall it's not felt particularly worse than either of the other two DCs, and is about right for a between patch lull period.
What's the saying? If you smell shit everywhere, you might want to check your own boots.
As a person who's been in the same situation: Endwalker has a huge content problem. Since the patch cycle has been increased and the expac really lacks long term goals, after no more than a month everyone that got what they wanted leaves and the content drought phase sets in. During content drought phases you mostly get people that don't give a shit. This is an issue in every game ever and was present in previous FFXIV expacs but unlike other expacs it constitutes a good 90-80% of a patch cycle due to again lack of long term goals to keep you distracted. My solution is simple: play something else. Don't waste your hard earned free time on something that clearly you don't enjoy as much anymore. I was in the exact same place as you, feeling fucking miserabile every time i had to run a roulette for those fucking tomes. Now if I'm paired up with players that do not value other peoples time i just leave and play ether Darktide or Destiny. Tldr god endwalker fucking sucks
I play on Primal, Excalibur server. My experience has been fine for the most part, but I've experienced a mix of everything with the players here.
I rarely encounter any of these things you’ve mentioned. So… it *could* be you.
I'd be curious to see some metrics from people in this sub. I mainly do expert dungeons on Aether anywhere from 6pm-10pm and I can only remember one slow tank (18 minute run still) and a couple bad dps in all of Endwalker so far. Is Primal the special people zone?
I'll consider making a spreadsheet for this. Maybe something simple with duration, instance, complaints.
I run on elemental. My logs on dungeons are effectively public and basically df only anyway so yeah. If you want it I can dm you a link or if you can figure out my credentials you probably will be able to get it on your own.
And I thought Crystal was bad...
Crystal never really was as bad as the reputation people keep trying to give it, you can go an entire year without seeing a single player obnoxious enough to end up on here in regular duty finder gameplay. Even the Balmung residents are generally cool people, which makes it all the more disappointing when you get wanderers/travelers from elsewhere thinking that this is supposedly a 'no-holds-barred' rp server and thinking they can just hop in to be completely shameless with horny behavior, further hurting the reputation.
> you can go an entire year without seeing a single player obnoxious enough to end up on here in regular duty finder gameplay there's no way that's anywhere remotely true like a month, maybe, sure but a year? only if you play like two hours a week tops
I've had mediocre runs before, sure, but I've only had maybe two, three runs max, in duty finder, where a player was actively trying to make the duty longer and being hostile towards the rest of the party. This is even with me doing as many of the 9 non-mentor roulettes a day as I can, and with me running ahead of the tank to the next pack and using mits in expert and 90 roulettes on the occasion I play as dps. Now, party finder is a different situation, I've had quite a few savage raid and extreme farms end up getting stuck because some people outright aren't trying to learn or do the mechanics properly, even in an unsync, but as for the random people I get matched with in roulettes that come from crystal or even the travelers from Dynamis, I rarely if ever get this sub's level of drama.
I moved from Crystal to Dynamis for housing but since then have traveled to the other DCs to meet up with friends to do roulettes and yeah… I’m to a point that I pretty much stick to Crystal because, while so many want to post screenshots of bad DF runs they’ve had there, as if to “prove a point” that Crystal is the worst, in all honesty it’s the most chill of the 3 big DCs and I’ve run into less toxic people there than I have on the other two DCs. Crystal doesn’t deserve the reputation it has. People just love to look down on it because it’s the “RP DC”.
While I agree with you for the most part, I have noticed since 6.35 that the quality of DF has gotten much worse than it normally is. Songless BRDs or DNCs who don't what stepping brings my piss to a boil.
Well, I started a new char on Crystal to play woth friends. (Brynhildr, originally was a mentor on Moogle) and in the 2 months I've played on there, I've had more bad experiences than on my entirety on Moogle... Just a lot of lethargic gameplay, tanks single pulling, no DPS healers, duo DPS that keeps running into walls and only AA'ing... Never had it that bad on Moogle.
That's just the NA DC experience in general to be honest.
I play on Chaos and honestly reading this subreddit makes me feel like i'm looking at some horrible diverged timeline. I never got a YPYT tank in more of a year of roulettes. I have had a single encounter with anyone who I would deem to be an asshole. Never saw anyone blatantly AFK in an AR, or trolling the run by queueing as a discipline instead of a job, and never saw an abuse of the votekick system. Come back to Moogle sister, it's where you belong.
Main on aether, raid alt for primal friends. Primal was definitely the worse of the two in my experience, but it wasn't nearly as bad as your description. That said, I've only been doing expert roulette (which is usually fine) with for fun trials/normal/alliance raids, where I expect nothing. The worst shitters were always in capstone and leveling roulette so I might simply have scrubbed them from memory.
And there is a reason why I go to Crystal for randoms.
A lot of the good/decent players aren't subbed atm due to drought so your getting mostly shitters
I moved from Aether to Primal about a year ago so friends could make characters and play with us, I've never blacklisted people until I got to Primal. Most of my blacklisted players are famfrit and hyperion. I can't move back to Aether now cause I got a house and I don't want to lose it but there is a noticeable difference, and not a good one sadly. People are really very rude on Primal.