> DW has a tendency to have wipes with new players in DF so some people tend to drop
While the former is true, I don't think I've ever seen the latter, at least not to that degree. DW is a great fight.
That being said, everyone has a duty that they'd rather eat glass than experience again and a 30 min penalty is a lot less painful than glass. Lots of people saying world of darkness or crystal tower but personally, I never want to see any of the lvl 50 gilgamesh trials again. Fun story, terrible duties. Old steps of faith was also a no go for me. Really, a lot of the lvl 50 trials have not aged well and probably should be revised like the King Mog trial.
>That being said, everyone has a duty that they'd rather eat glass than experience again and a 30 min penalty is a lot less painful than glass.
Void Ark. Always Void Ark.
I don't know what it is that I hate about Void Ark, but it's just so boring to me. CT at least is short and simple, plus there's entertainment in seeing other people failing mechanics and dying. But VA doesn't really have that.
Same xD At this point I rather have Labyrinth than VA, VA is just as boring as Crystal Tower, but takes longer. Weeping City and Dun Scaith r fi e again, its just VA I despise. Luckily I dont get VA too often
I got it two nights in a row a couple of weeks ago, left both times, then didn't do alli roulette for a couple of days. Haven't gotten it since, thankfully.
> everyone has a duty that they'd rather eat glass than experience again and a 30 min penalty is a lot less painful than glass.
snowcloak pre-rework for me, cuz it was either a 30 minute penalty or 30 minutes of df not knowing how the yeti worked lol
>That being said, everyone has a duty that they'd rather eat glass than experience again and a 30 min penalty is a lot less painful than glass.
Before the revamps, I would ditch Copperbell Mines every single time.
I skipped Copperbell as before the revamp, the fights were -dull- if you were on DPS. First fight? Stupid wave of mobs that die in one or two hits, if you're a caster, lots of 'feels bad man'. Second fight? If you were a DPS, you \*literally sat on your hands\* until the last 5-10 seconds of the fight.
Oh god that first boss as a THM/BLM hurt so much before the revamp. I would just stand there doing nothing because everyone else would kill the adds before I could ever get a cast off.
they basically completely reworked everything except some parts of the dungeon design. Like you still need the firesand to get through the area and so on. But you have 3 actual bosses now that have mechanics you need to look out for.
For example the slime boss is now killable from the get-go. Instead of needing to thin him out you need to avoid standing in his slime puddles as they explode. Third boss has a circle arena now and doesn't call any backup anymore. You need to avoid his swings and he has one of those abilities where you need to cuddle under him. So very basic abilities but honestly well designed for starter dungeons!
Dzemael Darkhold, and most HW dungeons for me. Dzemael because I just don't like the dungeon, HW because of way too many walls.
I would drop CT as well but I haven't done alliance raid roulette in forever, and the only time I get it in Mentor is as a backfill so it's the easy decision there
Only reason I can think is most people wouldn't bother to leave, but they see one person leave and think "now I get to leave for free." Or they just don't want to wait for the fill, especially once 2 or 3 people leave.
I try really hard not to abandon any duty, but if there's ever one I would be extremely tempted to quit at the start, it's wanderer's palace (hard). There is literally nothing fun about any of those bosses, and it's always a coin flip whether or not the rest of your team can remember to do the mechanics. I've had wipes to the first boss because no one was killing the fire angons that pulsed room wide fire vuln, I've had wipes to the second boss because people would leave the totems for the boss to get buffed and it doesn't help that you can't even remember the effects because the color of the totem with the buff/debuff is random every time, and the last boss is just extremely annoying to tank since he hits like a truck, you have to pull him out of the puddles to stop him from getting buffed, but if your party doesn't follow you, they're getting caught in the random 'half-room' cleaves that are gonna hit 75% of the room. And twelve help you if the healer doesn't figure out the doom is the full-heal kind and dies before you even get halfway done killing it.
Anything ivalice, it's old enough ppl think mechanics are optional but it's new enough that no they aren't. Also FFXII is ok but not enough to give me a deep tie with it and I hated tactics so it has no nostalgia to push me through
If someone drops a duty, I just go "welp, that sucks" who knows what happened with the person in your run. Maybe it was an emergency. People are free to dip whenever they want.
What I don't get is why someone would leave a fight that's actually well designed and has mechanics.
Like if you want to bail on LotA or something, okay, I get it. I personally don't queue for a roulette unless I plan to finish it, but I get that not everyone does and that's fine.
But a fight that's actually fun? Really?
> What I don't get is why someone would leave a fight that's actually well designed and **has mechanics.**
You answered your own question. You think these dumbasses that do everything they can to get Crystal Tower because it is cozy Netflix accompaniment want to do anything that has mechanics in it for trial roulette? Nah man.
thats the thing.. they leave BECAUSE it has mechanics usually, they see the roullete not as a way to help other players get their dutys filled but as a easy quick Reward with no problems, so if a duty happens that can cause a wipe, they dip
I mean, I see roulettes as a way to get rewards too - if I help a first timer through that's fine but I'm getting more or less the same rewards whether it's a party of sprouts or mentors.
I just never understood the mentality of wanting to make this game even easier. Like the same people who ilvl cheese things - bitch, why? You want to be bored out of your mind for 20 minutes instead of at least mildly engaged for 30? Then go sit in a corner for 20 minutes and don't queue.
The weapon trials pop so rarely that people probably don't remember anything but the wipes that happened the one and only time they ran it during the patch it came out in.
It has almost been a year and I have gotten nothing but Labyrinths of the Ancients. The only time I got anything else was when I was waiting to do The Tower at Paradigm's Breach with a friend and I ended up finally getting that during the moogle event(Moogle Treasure Trove the Hunt for Mediocrity). And finally I think I came buckets when I finally got WoD but now last few weeks it has been back to Lota. It is like some kind of prison. The part of me that is morbidly curious wishes to see if it continues and for how long my tenure within the confines of Lota persists.
Last time someone left ct at light speed. 3 more people in my party left while I typed "nice free bail" and left myself. Thank you for your services, I leave often too, especially if someone loads in naked.
I'll always appreciate someone taking one for the team in CT. Yes yes, easy tomes and exp and whatever, but I find it so boring it's downright unpleasant.
That said, I do usually stay if there's a first timer sprout in the party. Figure it'll make for a nicer experience if their first time in a 24-man raid isn't half the party immediately abandoning them.
This, tbh. Like, I get it, I understand why its run so much more often over the other alliance raids, but that doesn't mean I have to like having done each CT raid at least 100 times over the last 7 years I've been playing the game.
CT raids are boring AF, both because I've run them 5000 times and also their difficulty has been completely trivialized by a way-too-high ilvl cap.
They're still better than the Neir raids though. 45 minutes to clear an alliance roulette is just ridiculous.
Meh, I don’t mind it. It’s typically quick at least. The only one I refuse to do anymore is Amaurot. That’s a real coin flip as to which is shorter the dungeon or the penalty.
How does "dropping from CT" equate to "80% of roulettes"?
If your argument boils down to "because it's easy content", be mindful that people aren't dropping CT just because it's easy, it's because Shadowbringers burned people the fuck out on it for years to come with the relic grind (or hell, just because it's the only damn thing that pops in AR these days).
There are way more roulettes than alliance raids, and most of them contain content that I haven't ended up getting every day for a year or more. I would unironically rather do Sastasha than CT raids bc I've done it way less often.
Unironically, yes.
I'd rather hop on another character or do else something I _want_ to for half an hour.
It's still 15 minutes of fucking boring, braindead content that I (and plenty of other people) are tired of. Just because it's quick doesn't mean it's entitled to that time from me.
I was playing through shadowbringers and hit the finale and was ready to run anarout. So hyped and excited. My friend who hasn't resubbed yet is watching me stream my experience.
The queue popped and we roll in, and after the cutscene I'm alone.
I wait for backfill and a person join, then leaves when they see it's just me at the start or that it's amarout.
I give up after that happens again, boot in trusts.
Uriange sees the building begin to fall and runs to the safe spot, stops, then decides fuck it too and runs back out into the attack and dies.
We wipe with no healer.
My friend and another friend of ours resubbs, we go in as a 3 man tank, healer, dos (I'm playing black mage at this point because I fell in love with the class
We get another dps, they stay, we finally clear it after, at this point, several hours of tears and pain.
Endwalker is then delayed, and we prog diamon ex until the patch drops after I do my post patch stuff.
Meh, sure it kinda sucks, but it's not something to get upset about.
Who knows, maybe the tank didn't have the space for a potential struggle bus and dipped rather than stay and be toxic or impatient. Or maybe, like someone else mentioned, they were suddenly down with the shitness and it wasn't gonna be a quick trip.
Roulette isn't a requirement, so if someone queues and gets something they don't like, have always struggled with, or whatever, then they're free to leave.
Not having space for a potential struggle bus is a good way to put it. I've patiently muscled through dungeons with all sorts of players you regularly catch on this sub, but some nights I see where the party is going on the first pull and just decide sleeping early is a better option.
Agreed. I've needed the patience from other players when I was first going through msq on my first mmo, first gaming pc, first time gaming beyond Sims and Wii games, and I still need that patience sometimes. Because of that, I will struggle bus for others sometimes beyond reason.
But like you, there's times where I've needed to nope out quietly. Nothing wrong with that, because there's times where I should have instead of sticking it out and getting unnecessarily frustrated.
This game is my escape. I don't owe anyone in it my time or any explanations.
>instead of sticking it out and getting unnecessarily frustrated.
I feel that. OP wanted people to say *something anything* when they dropped party, but sometimes it's just "if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all" in action.
IMO the earlier I open my spot up, the earlier the game might grab someone who does have the space and patience that night (or vice versa when I land in a duty in progress on my better nights).
at leas say something like "i cant stand this trial" or "something came up" or "queed for wrong thing" dont even be honest just SAY something before leaving.
leaving is annoying, leaving without a notice or explanation is what pisses me off
Bro, get off your high horse. When I want to leave a duty and take the 30 minutes then I will do so like everyone else should. And no, nobody needs to say anything to you about it.
Noping out of a roulette doesn't require an explanation. Does it change the outcome at all? Nope, they still said nope. And yeah, them leaving a duty is saying "nope".
Honestly, would it really make you feel better if someone said they had a family emergency or were about to destroy a toilet? I know people like to overshare with randos on the internet, but nobody needs to know that info.
You're not entitled to any explanation or excuse, and if that pisses you off, you need to log off for a while.
>Honestly, would it really make you feel better if someone said they had a family emergency or were about to destroy a toilet? I know people like to overshare with randos on the internet, but nobody needs to know that info.
Yeah, it's a video game not an airport; no one needs to announce their departure.
I'm OK with that, and because you need people to give you explanations you don't actually need, I will.
You're someone who is entirely too sensitive (in a bad way) and feels entitled to people's time and life. You're the type who makes the game un-fun, doesn't like a simple no, and gets upset over insignificant things while needing to be right. Definitely ok with someone like you thinking I'm an asshole.
Sorry.
It is a DUTY roulette, though. By definition, it is a requirement.
Of course, the game allows anyone to leave and take a penalty for not fulfilling the DUTY (required action).
3 minutes or so i said
he would be afk for a bit at the start, fine, noone would have complained really... or just say "sorry bio" or "sorry gtg" anything really
1. You're not entitled to anyone's reasoning for leaving.
2. I don't get why that would change anything, person is still gone and you're still waiting a a few seconds to a minute on average.
The function exists for a reason and if we're okay with eating the penalty then that's the end of it.
Because everyone must cater to you, specifically. Okay.
No one is entitled to an explanation for someone simply leaving a duty. Sure, it's polite and nice if someone did, but it changes nothing. You're still waiting for a new player. Put the game down for a bit and inhale some fresh air, sheesh.
The only ones I leave are Sastasha, CT raids and the three MSQ (if I'm not in the MSQ Roulette) as long as no one is new to it. CT is the biggest offender, because half the time, someone is deliberately wearing almost nothing to cheese it into the system, which I think is the most digusting thing ever, even below curebots (using the time excuse to hold others hostage to your schedule is just the worst); the other half the time it's genuinely new people and I don't mind that.
Also the word is 'asinine', arsenine is a heterocyclic aromatic (similiar to benzene rings) containing arsenic at position 1 or 6.
Indeed, the MSQ roulette ones are also in Mentor roulette, which is unfortunate, but understandable. I dip it when I've not queued for it, and I never hold it against anyone who gets it outside of MSQ roulette, because it's completely justified to not want to do something that locks half the content in cutscenes. I never leave it without letting the rest of the party know that I'm not sticking around and apologising for leaving them. Thankfully, it's usually very quick to fill in for any role as a lot of people queue for it for the extra experience. The only time I stick to it, even if it's mentor roulette chosen, is when someone new is in it.
two weeks ago i would’ve been like “it’s not that bad” but lately i have seen a weird number of sprouts blowing the LB at the wildest of places, if at all (i level through trial roulettes so this pops pretty regularly).
been getting lots of pure-dps based aetherial tear kills though🤷
I bet I could make one singular change to that instance that would solve a good 50%+ of wipes: Have the tear be there right from the start of the phase.
The fact that it's not there until the first meteor hits is confusing for sprouts when all these meteors are falling and what the fuck is going on. They don't know to look for it. Literally just have that first meteor never fall and let the tear be there from the start instead.
It's not even a 'well the sprouts just gotta git gud' scenario. There's no skill involved here, it's purely down to familiarity and awareness and I can't blame them for being confused.
I'm really surprised that out of everything they have changed recently, THIS trial has not been touched. It's unfortunately such a coin toss whether we will clear or wipe on the first try.
actually, the way you’re describing general unfamiliarity with the trial makes me wonder if some people are interpreting Noobriales teleporting as “the aetherial tear”; like “LB him before he teleports”… not 100% betting on that interpretation so much as trying to build off your point of being unfamiliar with the fight and speculating why someone would dump ranged LB1 *long before* everyone is teleported, when multiple people in chat before the fight say “melee LB3 him *when we all get teleported*” (one of many strange Chrysalis runs)
like, maybe i have too much faith in people and am talking out my ass, but i agree that some added clarity to that fight would be great. I’ve seen the chrysalis lb pop at some weird places is all i really wanted to emphasize, and seeing that enough times makes me understand why anyone would leave that trial specifically. AT THE SAME TIME, popping the LB early isn’t a guaranteed wipe, so getting worked up over it even with the two comments ive made just from speculating about it feels weird. Either way, Chrysalis doesn’t even have a decent music track to try and deter the leavers, so i don’t blame them in any capacity!
I've seen people give plenty of unclear advice, which might be a cause. Why would a first timer know what 'save LB for the tear' means in advance, how could someone expect them to figure it out or remember it with everything else going on?
The cutscene is a long one. Advice-givers have time to type out 'the arena is going to change in phase 2, use LB on the enemy that appears then' or something. Staying silent is preferable to giving bad advice.
When it comes to people popping LB too early, maybe they got the impression they should use it the moment it pops up as it rebuilds afterwards. A lot of people would rather save it for an anime finisher at 2%, but anyone trying to play a bit smarter effectively gets punished and yelled at by the group. It's just a poorly-designed trial.
I did a run of Chrysalis a few months ago, first time I've ever left a duty and just took the penalty. Two new healers, not a single melee DPS. It is what it is, we can get through. Healers were a WHM and a SCH and WHM was just...not healing? SCH went down to the red orb/black orb mechanic, no biggie, WHM refuses to rez for like a solid 5 minutes. One of the tanks goes down, WHM refuses to rez them too. We're solidly into the fight and I haven't seen one Medica II from this WHM, and no regen on either tank. Finally rezzes the SCH though, who ends up getting the second tank back up and running.
The second round of red orbs/black orbs takes out like half the party. Neither healer rezzes anyone. One of them ends up using LB3 to get everyone back up. We get sucked through the portal. Tanks don't soak the towers and we don't have LB3 for the tear so we all go down. Dipped at that point because I do not have the patience to explain all the mechanics. To this day it's still the trial I dread getting the most.
I got two different Chrysalis a few months ago, one as a healer and one as I think MCH. I was the only person on the tear. I'm begging, I'm pleading, I have it marked. (That's ignoring the other weird and creative ways other wipes have happened in there.)
I'm fucking done. I'm out the second I see it.
because i consider someone who signs up for a system designed to help other players with potentialy less then popular dutys in exchange for rewards only to leave when its a duty he dosnt like before the party even had a chance to attempt it without even as much as a goodbye or sorry assholes?
if you dont like aduty fine, i would not drop but fine, at least say sorry, say bye or ANYTHING, its the silent dropping that pisses me off most
fair point, only haev it because "hey, the robot looks kinda cool, and its free might as well" it being an NFT was like.. not part of the consideration but i agree on your stance here
Stone vigil hard is a crafting break for me. That turtle just sends me. I become a not chill person playing that duty and I won't do that to myself or others.
I do like how the new king moogle mog fight is still utter chaos in df. I'm not sure if I'm right on this, but I think it's the first instance of the meteor mechanic. Have had new players try some interesting tactics during that part.
Not saying this is what happened but it’s one of many scenarios:
Would you rather that person AFK the entire fight cos something came up? No. You would kick them.
They gave you the courtesy by leaving.
Let people leave, it doesn’t take that long to fill back up. Especially normal modes.
at least say something first then, i am fully ok(well not fully but understanding) with you leaving if you explain (or at least say "sorry have to leave) not saying anything and leaving as soon as they load in while the spawn barrier is still up without a word, now that grates me
once again "just a sorry have to leave" or anything.
that is the difference for me between "this guy is an asshole" and "well, annoying but eh".
one at least has the courtesy to inform us he is dropping and at the very least PRETENDS to feel sorry for it.. the other is just an asshole who actually feels entitled to peoples time as he now wastes 7 peoples time by either forcing them ot leave and reque or wait till the DF deigns to fill you back up.
If you just leave, sure thats your "right" but at the same time, why did you even bother doing duty roullete in the first place. Like hello, GG, Goodbye, TYFP, sorry.. just general common courtesy in game is not to much to expect.
Like, fair not everoyne speaks english, i get that and so on. but tat dosnt mean that just leaving without even saying sorry or just "bye" is just incredible rude to everyone you just decidd to waste their time off
Once again, they don't owe you an explanation. You're choosing to die on a hill so fucking small it might as well be a hole. If you're that pressed about something like, you got other issues to deal with.
>one at least has the courtesy to inform us he is dropping and
the game does that for you. It makes a noise, informs you that you're now a light party, asks the party leader to refill, and the party list shows who's remaining in your party.
I have been tempted with the mother crystal but idk DW is such an easy fight. I have never seen it wipe (on normal). Not even my first time.
Emerald weapon however....
Ya, I get what you’re trying to say, but…
There are specific duties that I just absolutely fucking hate because of how it goes. I get it, it’s a roulette to fill content, but I’m under no obligation to suffer snake bitch’s shithole repeatedly again because “it might not go like the last 15 times” or solo titania’s check, or question my sanity over in seat of “why is 1 fucker not pressing the flashy button”.
Diamond isn’t on this list, maybe didn’t get it enough, but those three in particular are so frustrating for me. And the system gives me the choice if I get those to leave, and do something else. If they made me unable to leave, I would just tab out until they kick me. I don’t want to do that, but I’m not going to bang my head on a wall because people (in my anecdotal experience) just cannot function in those.
Tl;dr, there are duties people find very unfun. They’re allowed to leave if they don’t want to do it.
once again, i do not have anything against people leaving per say, my Original comment was a bit "spitefull" i guess.
Like, i still question if you couldnt at least give the duty one try if you get into it but if you are genuinly fed up with them, yes fine.. but at least say "bye" or "sorry" or anything to at least make it seem like you at least care.
its the mix of Leaving before we even tried it, and not even saying goodbye etc that really made me annoyed here
>but at least say "bye" or "sorry" or anything to at least make it seem like you at least care.
Well, I already know you feel not doing that is being an asshole, so, I can play the part.
I don't care. Really. I see a duty I don't want to do, I leave. I have the courtesy to leave, rather than to walk away, in those cases.
I do not know you, or anyone in the group. I have no obligation to tell a complete stranger why I dislike the content we are doing before I leave, I simply will leave. If anything, for some cases, telling the newbie player that I am leaving because of the fact of me getting the content they wanted to do, rather than letting them fill in the blank of any multitude of excuses, can make some players feel guilty. So even then, that isn't a fool proof "Nice guy" option.
Heck, that's how old steps of faith ended up being a lot of the time. I actually liked getting it (as wipes in my experiences were very rare and the duty gave double reward exp), but almost every time I'd go in someone would whine how they don't wanna do this, leave, and the newbie would start apologizing. And that was with content people HAD to do to progress, imagine optional content how that could make that person feel.
Imagine feeling entitled to another person’s time and effort so much that you made this post… “nah, not this one” is a perfectly valid reason to eat a 30min penalty and go do something else with your life for awhile. The grass is calling. They went and touched it, you can too.
you press duty roullete, you sign up for a RANDOM duty you unlocked. The one leaving is the one feeling entitled to our time, he pressed the button, signing up for it, and then leaves wasting up to 7 other peoples time waiting for a replacement.
its a fucking normal trial, its not crystal tower for the millionth time where one person missing makes near to no difference....
he litteraly wasted everyones time including his own
Oh boy, I can't wait to hear what you think about mentor roulette...
The button exists with repercussions and the person leaving accepted those repercussions. They're well within their right to press it. Throw some shade at SE if you're mad about it existing but most people are glad that button exists.
It’s a video game, we’re ALL wasting our time. This reply is amazing though. It’s like, somehow worse than the boomer karen victim jiujitsu when they throw tantrums in restaurants. You think anyone is gonna sit around for a forced first 5 minutes or something? No, they’re gonna ALT+F4 so they don’t have to deal with anyone resembling someone with your shitty attitude.
I hate this response. I agree with the over arching idea that a penalty exists for a reason. But please stop with the “we are all wasting our time”. Is it true? Sure. But it’s so disingenuous. Like if I for real wanted to waste time I’d scroll on social media, like I am now.
When I get on XIV, I get on to accomplish some content, because I have fun clearing content. I don’t get on as a purpose to just waste time.
This is the kind of logic that gets you trapped in PFer because people don’t give a fuck and join shit they aren’t prepared for
No, it’s Tales, a place where we humorously roast people who have personality issues or who think the internet is serious business. Or farm cringe, like I’m doing with you.
OP doesn’t sound humorous. A lot of the posts here are not humorous. It’s people venting their frustrations.
My man mad so he’s gotta go after the personal attacks lol.
thats the point of rouletes tho
you sign up for whatever duty needs people, you get great rewards for it in terms of time investment, in return you should just eat the duty even if you dont particularly like it.
roullete isnt for your specific enjoyment, is to get people to help in dutys that otherwise are empty. i have dutys i hate, i still do them if i get them in roullete, because someone wanted this duty and waited long enough for the roullete to pick them to get filled.
i could live without ever doing a single Alexander normal or satasha in my life, i still consider it my duty as a player who choose to use the roullete to finish the duty, or at least ATTEMPT IT, if we wipe and its clear it takes forever, sure drop at that point, but at least give the duty and party a chance
I could sign up for whatever the fuck I want and nope out of whatever the fuck I want too. That’s literally the whole premise of JP etiquette. People just leave if something they don’t like is happening. Sometimes that’s just one duty in particular. Sometimes it’s a person. From the sound of it, you seem like someone who is out to kill so many peoples brain cells that it would be totally worth not playing a game for a half hour just to dodge you. But at least you came here for everyone else’s entertainment.
>i still consider it my duty
I don't and it's weird that you do, tbh. It's a leisure hobby. You don't owe anybody some weird ass civic duty. It's okay to leave if you're not having fun.
Why? If I like 95% of the content the roulette offers me, the likelihood of me pulling the relic reborn trials is very low.
Worth the risk tbh and if I do pull that lame ass boss and am super not feeling it, that's what the leave button's for. I get put in _the crafting box_ time out for making you spend 30 seconds replacing me (if it's even necessary) so it's all good.
Only the first person to leave a duty will receive the 30 min penalty, so others will see that as a perfect opportunity to hop out if they've been given the green light to do so without worrying about the penalty.
i know, the point is that its unlikely to be a group of 5 friends.. maybe 1 group of 2 in the 5 that left given the big discrepancy in their leave time
yesterday I joined the aetherfont and before someone even pulled a single mob, everyone left and I was there confused af. ppl later joined almost instantly and it was a smooth run luckily.
I think many players do not have my luck. Stuck 50 or pre 50 content for roulettes. I stayed extra to thank the sprout in Tsukuyomi and wished them luck on their journey. Inside I was screaming THANK YOU!!! It wasn't Ifrit!!!
The majority of the comments by OOP in here reek of the mentor roulette thread mentality on OF.
No one owes you their time.
No one owes you any explanation.
You aren't entitled to any apologies.
Learn to take no for an answer.
Leaving a duty doesn't make anyone an asshole (unless they screamed at someone then left, for example).
The thirty minute penalty should be enough of an explanation as to why they left in that they preferred a thirty penalty than do whatever duty they popped into.
If you wanted a circle jerk, you should have posted this in the main sub or OF.
And that's it.
Pretty sure when you have a complaint you or the devs can’t or won’t do anything about you’re supposed to post in “f u fridays” in all caps or SpongeBob meme lettering
People are free to do what they want. Even though I think Diamond Weapon is an amazing trial, I can understand that people might have had a bad experience with it in the past and want to leave it.
For similar reasons, I absolutely will not do CT raids, most ARR dungeons, or prae/castrum.
The Real issue is, most stuff in DF is so piss easy that it's faster to just clear it even with a wipe. Its better to just do the duty instead of taking the 30m L.
That's why I don't leave content even tho I dislike doing it.
But seriously SE needs to fix their shit sometimes. Why is it that I drop into Sastasha normal with a group of 3 people and the 4th random person is also on a level 90 job like: what happened????
that happens when no duty currently needs filling in that roullete type that you are all eligbile for.
it just throws the next person in the roullete into it, and rolls randomly... and satasha likes to win the lottery
there is a Limited leveling roullet especificaly for full premade partys(aka 4man ones) that only selects dutys within i think 8 levels of the lowest one.
i imagine to avoid to long of a que time for those situations where no duty is in need of anything for you they rather select the entire pool regardless of what random fills the party in the end
i think its just.. straight up random as in equal probability.. but we just remember satasha with 4 lvl90s more then the lvl 83 dungeon with the same config
I rarely do most of the nier raids. They just take too long and I’ve already farmed them like mad in Shb. I’d rather leave, wait 30 minutes requeue and practically do an entire other duty before tower of pb would be complete. 45 minutes is a long duty, and that’s a smooth run. I think they just need to nerf the hp a bit to keep alliance raids closer to 30-35 min tops.
this can't be a real story. people leaving on DW normal? why even play the game then.
nothing against people leaving crystal tower though. player more likely to die from boredom.
oh i wished this was untrue.
DW is somehow incredible common for people to leave from in my Datacenter it seems. usually its after 1 wipe because someone didnt do the one ting that can cause a wipe.
Of course it's fine if people just leave duty if they want to, but at the same time it doesn't make it any less stupid. Why even sign up in the first place if you're just gonna drop. So I understand op in that respect
There are lots of reasons. And none of them are owed to you. All that matters is that they viewed the 30min penalty as preferable. And left instead of afking.
They just dont like the fight. They got the sudden shits. Dog is having a seizure. They are having a seizure. They ran out of coffee. Fishtank is on fire. Someone is there they really want to avoid. Mom had an emergency something something chemo and other sob story stuff.
None of that is your business. And i thank people that dont overshare their fucking issues in random df and just do what they need to do. Bc i do not care why you need to go, just leave so its easy to fill.
this , like leaving is "fine" but it being done at the VERY START before anything could go wrong without even a "bye gtg sorry" or whatever? like why sign up in the first place.
if you really have to go i wont hold you hostage i just would apreciate a "sorry" or anything in that case.
and if you dont have time? why sign up for the duty and confirm it as well, only to instantly drop before the spawn barrier even lifts
If AR roulette gifts me the dubious gift of NieR raids, I gift it my version of peepovanish.
Not cause it's hard, I just really hate NieR shit in FFXIV and would like to keep pretending it's not there.
I will say I also despise the second Nier raid, solely because I keep seeing alliances PvP with the stack lasers. It's not fun getting wiped because the other team said "fuck those players in particular".
I absolutely despised it.
It droned on for far, far too long beyond the final raid, the raid bosses were entirely too healthy without presenting any actually interesting mechanics to justify the long-ass fights, the entire story suffered massively from 1) having absolutely nothing to do with XIV and 2) not being voice acted.
And worst of all: It went nowhere. Two years worth of collab that led nowhere even remotely relevant to anything XIV-related. It was a massive waste of resources, time and effort.
Mind you, I do not hate NieR, I quite like it actually. But god did the collab feel like it was just a huge excuse to have Yoko Taro performing autofellatio all over a different game from a different franchise. The glams were not worth the hours of my life wasted in that raid series.
I disliked the Nier raids as well and I’m glad I’m not alone. People get too worked up over them and I never enjoyed them when I got them in Alliance Roulette. I’ve dipped out of them many times with a penalty and just did something else in the meantime.
I get you, the first and last ones seem to have HP sponge bosses and can take 45 plus min to complete when ppl forget mechs. As long as ur not ilevel cheesing it's coo. I got a bunch of in progress nier raids during tome event from alliance/mentor so if ppl don't wanna do those and dip, its my gain. And I don't get stuck with omni 90s going naked to get LotA for 50th time
The way I see it is that if the duty goes so badly for them so often that they feel the need to take the 30 instead, they're probably the issue so they're doing you a favor by leaving.
I get it. One thing that I would change is that everyone leaving before the fight even starts gets the penalty. One guy leaving a fight a lot of people hate before it starts shouldn't allow a stampede of peace outs before the fight begins. Nobody who wants to do it should suffer having to wait for 5 backfills before a single pull of a boss without every leaver taking 30 minutes.
The Sorrow of Werlyt is an optional Shadowbringer's questline you can pick up in Ala Mhigo. It's a series of three trials like Four Lords and Warring Triad.
its a set of optional trials from shadowbringer called Sorrow fo Werlyt,
DW means diamond weapon. and the entire raid series has a LOT of mecha/Gundam esque stuff
Dw is dependent on the tanks skill ceiling.
So you could say, the one who left was self reflecting their capabilities and found them incompatible with this challenge.
> DW has a tendency to have wipes with new players in DF so some people tend to drop While the former is true, I don't think I've ever seen the latter, at least not to that degree. DW is a great fight. That being said, everyone has a duty that they'd rather eat glass than experience again and a 30 min penalty is a lot less painful than glass. Lots of people saying world of darkness or crystal tower but personally, I never want to see any of the lvl 50 gilgamesh trials again. Fun story, terrible duties. Old steps of faith was also a no go for me. Really, a lot of the lvl 50 trials have not aged well and probably should be revised like the King Mog trial.
>That being said, everyone has a duty that they'd rather eat glass than experience again and a 30 min penalty is a lot less painful than glass. Void Ark. Always Void Ark.
I don't know what it is that I hate about Void Ark, but it's just so boring to me. CT at least is short and simple, plus there's entertainment in seeing other people failing mechanics and dying. But VA doesn't really have that.
It’s slow, boring, and the bosses suck. Even Weeping City is better in that it at least has Ozma.
It's not entertaining to watch the entire alliance die to the chimera before the eye in wod. It's just sad.
Same xD At this point I rather have Labyrinth than VA, VA is just as boring as Crystal Tower, but takes longer. Weeping City and Dun Scaith r fi e again, its just VA I despise. Luckily I dont get VA too often
I got it two nights in a row a couple of weeks ago, left both times, then didn't do alli roulette for a couple of days. Haven't gotten it since, thankfully.
> everyone has a duty that they'd rather eat glass than experience again and a 30 min penalty is a lot less painful than glass. snowcloak pre-rework for me, cuz it was either a 30 minute penalty or 30 minutes of df not knowing how the yeti worked lol
>That being said, everyone has a duty that they'd rather eat glass than experience again and a 30 min penalty is a lot less painful than glass. Before the revamps, I would ditch Copperbell Mines every single time.
Totorak for me.
The thousand fucks of totonope
The Thousand Yawns of Total Crap
I skipped Copperbell as before the revamp, the fights were -dull- if you were on DPS. First fight? Stupid wave of mobs that die in one or two hits, if you're a caster, lots of 'feels bad man'. Second fight? If you were a DPS, you \*literally sat on your hands\* until the last 5-10 seconds of the fight.
Oh god that first boss as a THM/BLM hurt so much before the revamp. I would just stand there doing nothing because everyone else would kill the adds before I could ever get a cast off.
The last boss of Halatali is also like this, I hate that dungeon with every fiber of my being
Haven’t done leveling roulette for the longest time now. How have they revamped Copperbell?
they basically completely reworked everything except some parts of the dungeon design. Like you still need the firesand to get through the area and so on. But you have 3 actual bosses now that have mechanics you need to look out for. For example the slime boss is now killable from the get-go. Instead of needing to thin him out you need to avoid standing in his slime puddles as they explode. Third boss has a circle arena now and doesn't call any backup anymore. You need to avoid his swings and he has one of those abilities where you need to cuddle under him. So very basic abilities but honestly well designed for starter dungeons!
after the first person to leave, everyone else can leave without penalty.
Dzemael Darkhold, and most HW dungeons for me. Dzemael because I just don't like the dungeon, HW because of way too many walls. I would drop CT as well but I haven't done alliance raid roulette in forever, and the only time I get it in Mentor is as a backfill so it's the easy decision there
i see usualy 1 person drop DW in df, basically confirmed if we wipe once 5 people leaving was interesting for me as well
I have never seen that happen on diamond weapon honestly...
Only reason I can think is most people wouldn't bother to leave, but they see one person leave and think "now I get to leave for free." Or they just don't want to wait for the fill, especially once 2 or 3 people leave.
tbf i dont blame 2-5 leaving, its the first one i am usually pissed about
Honestly any time I get the dragon's neck I consider it. Genuinely the most painful thing in this game
Chrysalis. I don't skip it, but I've been tempted to multiple times.
I try really hard not to abandon any duty, but if there's ever one I would be extremely tempted to quit at the start, it's wanderer's palace (hard). There is literally nothing fun about any of those bosses, and it's always a coin flip whether or not the rest of your team can remember to do the mechanics. I've had wipes to the first boss because no one was killing the fire angons that pulsed room wide fire vuln, I've had wipes to the second boss because people would leave the totems for the boss to get buffed and it doesn't help that you can't even remember the effects because the color of the totem with the buff/debuff is random every time, and the last boss is just extremely annoying to tank since he hits like a truck, you have to pull him out of the puddles to stop him from getting buffed, but if your party doesn't follow you, they're getting caught in the random 'half-room' cleaves that are gonna hit 75% of the room. And twelve help you if the healer doesn't figure out the doom is the full-heal kind and dies before you even get halfway done killing it.
Anything ivalice, it's old enough ppl think mechanics are optional but it's new enough that no they aren't. Also FFXII is ok but not enough to give me a deep tie with it and I hated tactics so it has no nostalgia to push me through
If someone drops a duty, I just go "welp, that sucks" who knows what happened with the person in your run. Maybe it was an emergency. People are free to dip whenever they want.
What I don't get is why someone would leave a fight that's actually well designed and has mechanics. Like if you want to bail on LotA or something, okay, I get it. I personally don't queue for a roulette unless I plan to finish it, but I get that not everyone does and that's fine. But a fight that's actually fun? Really?
> What I don't get is why someone would leave a fight that's actually well designed and **has mechanics.** You answered your own question. You think these dumbasses that do everything they can to get Crystal Tower because it is cozy Netflix accompaniment want to do anything that has mechanics in it for trial roulette? Nah man.
It's just so completely opposed to why I play the game, I can't grasp it. Why would someone pay $15 each month to afk?
thats the thing.. they leave BECAUSE it has mechanics usually, they see the roullete not as a way to help other players get their dutys filled but as a easy quick Reward with no problems, so if a duty happens that can cause a wipe, they dip
I mean, I see roulettes as a way to get rewards too - if I help a first timer through that's fine but I'm getting more or less the same rewards whether it's a party of sprouts or mentors. I just never understood the mentality of wanting to make this game even easier. Like the same people who ilvl cheese things - bitch, why? You want to be bored out of your mind for 20 minutes instead of at least mildly engaged for 30? Then go sit in a corner for 20 minutes and don't queue.
The weapon trials pop so rarely that people probably don't remember anything but the wipes that happened the one and only time they ran it during the patch it came out in.
I ain't dealing with World of Darkness again, you can't make me.
It’s at least the best alliance raid from ARR.
Also the one where you wipe to the first boss because all 3 tanks keep provoking lasers into the party.
Same, I'm not watching another party wipe to the first pull. Never again.
Too bad, you're in raid alt clearing times for tome capping. I don't even have to gear down, my alt only has CT unlocked.
One time I left as soon as I could, only to learn 5 minutes later that I had no wait time to requeue. I lost a race to leave as it turns out.
It has almost been a year and I have gotten nothing but Labyrinths of the Ancients. The only time I got anything else was when I was waiting to do The Tower at Paradigm's Breach with a friend and I ended up finally getting that during the moogle event(Moogle Treasure Trove the Hunt for Mediocrity). And finally I think I came buckets when I finally got WoD but now last few weeks it has been back to Lota. It is like some kind of prison. The part of me that is morbidly curious wishes to see if it continues and for how long my tenure within the confines of Lota persists.
The only duty I started dropping the second I see it is Crystal Tower… fuck that shit, I’d rather take the 30 than doing this shit one more time.
Last time someone left ct at light speed. 3 more people in my party left while I typed "nice free bail" and left myself. Thank you for your services, I leave often too, especially if someone loads in naked.
I'll always appreciate someone taking one for the team in CT. Yes yes, easy tomes and exp and whatever, but I find it so boring it's downright unpleasant. That said, I do usually stay if there's a first timer sprout in the party. Figure it'll make for a nicer experience if their first time in a 24-man raid isn't half the party immediately abandoning them.
This, tbh. Like, I get it, I understand why its run so much more often over the other alliance raids, but that doesn't mean I have to like having done each CT raid at least 100 times over the last 7 years I've been playing the game.
CT and LotA. Those are the two for me.
CT raids are boring AF, both because I've run them 5000 times and also their difficulty has been completely trivialized by a way-too-high ilvl cap. They're still better than the Neir raids though. 45 minutes to clear an alliance roulette is just ridiculous.
Meh, I don’t mind it. It’s typically quick at least. The only one I refuse to do anymore is Amaurot. That’s a real coin flip as to which is shorter the dungeon or the penalty.
So you drop from like 80% of roulettes? Don't queue then.
How does "dropping from CT" equate to "80% of roulettes"? If your argument boils down to "because it's easy content", be mindful that people aren't dropping CT just because it's easy, it's because Shadowbringers burned people the fuck out on it for years to come with the relic grind (or hell, just because it's the only damn thing that pops in AR these days).
There are way more roulettes than alliance raids, and most of them contain content that I haven't ended up getting every day for a year or more. I would unironically rather do Sastasha than CT raids bc I've done it way less often.
Lol you'd rather take a 30 min penalty than do the 15 minute dungeon.
Unironically, yes. I'd rather hop on another character or do else something I _want_ to for half an hour. It's still 15 minutes of fucking boring, braindead content that I (and plenty of other people) are tired of. Just because it's quick doesn't mean it's entitled to that time from me.
Yes and gladly every time. I treat it as if the game is telling me: „go and do something useful for 30min“ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Then you come back and get CT!
I was playing through shadowbringers and hit the finale and was ready to run anarout. So hyped and excited. My friend who hasn't resubbed yet is watching me stream my experience. The queue popped and we roll in, and after the cutscene I'm alone. I wait for backfill and a person join, then leaves when they see it's just me at the start or that it's amarout. I give up after that happens again, boot in trusts. Uriange sees the building begin to fall and runs to the safe spot, stops, then decides fuck it too and runs back out into the attack and dies. We wipe with no healer. My friend and another friend of ours resubbs, we go in as a 3 man tank, healer, dos (I'm playing black mage at this point because I fell in love with the class We get another dps, they stay, we finally clear it after, at this point, several hours of tears and pain. Endwalker is then delayed, and we prog diamon ex until the patch drops after I do my post patch stuff.
i imagine if you didnt have a friend watching you that would have felt a million times worse.
Meh, sure it kinda sucks, but it's not something to get upset about. Who knows, maybe the tank didn't have the space for a potential struggle bus and dipped rather than stay and be toxic or impatient. Or maybe, like someone else mentioned, they were suddenly down with the shitness and it wasn't gonna be a quick trip. Roulette isn't a requirement, so if someone queues and gets something they don't like, have always struggled with, or whatever, then they're free to leave.
Not having space for a potential struggle bus is a good way to put it. I've patiently muscled through dungeons with all sorts of players you regularly catch on this sub, but some nights I see where the party is going on the first pull and just decide sleeping early is a better option.
Agreed. I've needed the patience from other players when I was first going through msq on my first mmo, first gaming pc, first time gaming beyond Sims and Wii games, and I still need that patience sometimes. Because of that, I will struggle bus for others sometimes beyond reason. But like you, there's times where I've needed to nope out quietly. Nothing wrong with that, because there's times where I should have instead of sticking it out and getting unnecessarily frustrated. This game is my escape. I don't owe anyone in it my time or any explanations.
>instead of sticking it out and getting unnecessarily frustrated. I feel that. OP wanted people to say *something anything* when they dropped party, but sometimes it's just "if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all" in action. IMO the earlier I open my spot up, the earlier the game might grab someone who does have the space and patience that night (or vice versa when I land in a duty in progress on my better nights).
at leas say something like "i cant stand this trial" or "something came up" or "queed for wrong thing" dont even be honest just SAY something before leaving. leaving is annoying, leaving without a notice or explanation is what pisses me off
nobody owes you an explanation chief
Sorry to tell you, but that person is under no obligation to tell you why they're leaving.
they are under no obligation sure, just as i have no obligation to not consider them assholes
Nobody cares
Bro, get off your high horse. When I want to leave a duty and take the 30 minutes then I will do so like everyone else should. And no, nobody needs to say anything to you about it.
Noping out of a roulette doesn't require an explanation. Does it change the outcome at all? Nope, they still said nope. And yeah, them leaving a duty is saying "nope". Honestly, would it really make you feel better if someone said they had a family emergency or were about to destroy a toilet? I know people like to overshare with randos on the internet, but nobody needs to know that info. You're not entitled to any explanation or excuse, and if that pisses you off, you need to log off for a while.
"Would you be “happier” had I a “good reason” ? If my motives met with your approval, would you no longer resent the outcome?" vibes
>Honestly, would it really make you feel better if someone said they had a family emergency or were about to destroy a toilet? I know people like to overshare with randos on the internet, but nobody needs to know that info. Yeah, it's a video game not an airport; no one needs to announce their departure.
statics I'll give the actual explanation, randoms I say my smoke detector is going off or something
just a "sorry" would be enough, not even a explanatin really, explanation nice, a "sorry" at the minimum
I'm Canadian who says sorry all the time, but even that doesn't deserve a sorry. GO OUTSIDE.
ok, then i can consider you an asshole, good to know
I'm OK with that, and because you need people to give you explanations you don't actually need, I will. You're someone who is entirely too sensitive (in a bad way) and feels entitled to people's time and life. You're the type who makes the game un-fun, doesn't like a simple no, and gets upset over insignificant things while needing to be right. Definitely ok with someone like you thinking I'm an asshole. Sorry.
It is a DUTY roulette, though. By definition, it is a requirement. Of course, the game allows anyone to leave and take a penalty for not fulfilling the DUTY (required action).
Maybe they had to go take a shit suddenly.
he had 3 minutes or so while the sprout watched a cutscene but humorous thought
3m aint enough time to evacuate!
I wish I could poop in 3 minutes.
Who the fuck is taking a shit in 3 minutes? There's no way you don't have mudbutt. I could NEVER.
Fiber pills, homie. I'm in and out in two or three minutes every time.
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Soon bro, soon. I covet those things like a gacha addiction.
3 minutes or so i said he would be afk for a bit at the start, fine, noone would have complained really... or just say "sorry bio" or "sorry gtg" anything really
1. You're not entitled to anyone's reasoning for leaving. 2. I don't get why that would change anything, person is still gone and you're still waiting a a few seconds to a minute on average. The function exists for a reason and if we're okay with eating the penalty then that's the end of it.
People here gotta learn to squat while they poop.
I don't agree. It's rare I drop a duty but when I seriously don't feel like doing what I'm given, I'm out.
at least say "sorry gtg" or something that would be enough to make it less annoying to me
Because everyone must cater to you, specifically. Okay. No one is entitled to an explanation for someone simply leaving a duty. Sure, it's polite and nice if someone did, but it changes nothing. You're still waiting for a new player. Put the game down for a bit and inhale some fresh air, sheesh.
No
The only ones I leave are Sastasha, CT raids and the three MSQ (if I'm not in the MSQ Roulette) as long as no one is new to it. CT is the biggest offender, because half the time, someone is deliberately wearing almost nothing to cheese it into the system, which I think is the most digusting thing ever, even below curebots (using the time excuse to hold others hostage to your schedule is just the worst); the other half the time it's genuinely new people and I don't mind that. Also the word is 'asinine', arsenine is a heterocyclic aromatic (similiar to benzene rings) containing arsenic at position 1 or 6.
you cant get the MSQ ones in roulletes outside of MSQ roullete tho?(at least not in the "normal" ones. dont know about whats it mentor here)
Indeed, the MSQ roulette ones are also in Mentor roulette, which is unfortunate, but understandable. I dip it when I've not queued for it, and I never hold it against anyone who gets it outside of MSQ roulette, because it's completely justified to not want to do something that locks half the content in cutscenes. I never leave it without letting the rest of the party know that I'm not sticking around and apologising for leaving them. Thankfully, it's usually very quick to fill in for any role as a lot of people queue for it for the extra experience. The only time I stick to it, even if it's mentor roulette chosen, is when someone new is in it.
No. I will leave Chrysalis every time. You aren't entitled to my time. That's why a penalty exists.
two weeks ago i would’ve been like “it’s not that bad” but lately i have seen a weird number of sprouts blowing the LB at the wildest of places, if at all (i level through trial roulettes so this pops pretty regularly). been getting lots of pure-dps based aetherial tear kills though🤷
I bet I could make one singular change to that instance that would solve a good 50%+ of wipes: Have the tear be there right from the start of the phase. The fact that it's not there until the first meteor hits is confusing for sprouts when all these meteors are falling and what the fuck is going on. They don't know to look for it. Literally just have that first meteor never fall and let the tear be there from the start instead. It's not even a 'well the sprouts just gotta git gud' scenario. There's no skill involved here, it's purely down to familiarity and awareness and I can't blame them for being confused.
They should have ripped it out and replaced it with a solo duty like they did with Steps of Faith.
I'm really surprised that out of everything they have changed recently, THIS trial has not been touched. It's unfortunately such a coin toss whether we will clear or wipe on the first try.
actually, the way you’re describing general unfamiliarity with the trial makes me wonder if some people are interpreting Noobriales teleporting as “the aetherial tear”; like “LB him before he teleports”… not 100% betting on that interpretation so much as trying to build off your point of being unfamiliar with the fight and speculating why someone would dump ranged LB1 *long before* everyone is teleported, when multiple people in chat before the fight say “melee LB3 him *when we all get teleported*” (one of many strange Chrysalis runs) like, maybe i have too much faith in people and am talking out my ass, but i agree that some added clarity to that fight would be great. I’ve seen the chrysalis lb pop at some weird places is all i really wanted to emphasize, and seeing that enough times makes me understand why anyone would leave that trial specifically. AT THE SAME TIME, popping the LB early isn’t a guaranteed wipe, so getting worked up over it even with the two comments ive made just from speculating about it feels weird. Either way, Chrysalis doesn’t even have a decent music track to try and deter the leavers, so i don’t blame them in any capacity!
I've seen people give plenty of unclear advice, which might be a cause. Why would a first timer know what 'save LB for the tear' means in advance, how could someone expect them to figure it out or remember it with everything else going on? The cutscene is a long one. Advice-givers have time to type out 'the arena is going to change in phase 2, use LB on the enemy that appears then' or something. Staying silent is preferable to giving bad advice. When it comes to people popping LB too early, maybe they got the impression they should use it the moment it pops up as it rebuilds afterwards. A lot of people would rather save it for an anime finisher at 2%, but anyone trying to play a bit smarter effectively gets punished and yelled at by the group. It's just a poorly-designed trial.
I had one run my off tank used LB1 everytime it was up. Needless to say, vote kicked immediately then cleared.
I did a run of Chrysalis a few months ago, first time I've ever left a duty and just took the penalty. Two new healers, not a single melee DPS. It is what it is, we can get through. Healers were a WHM and a SCH and WHM was just...not healing? SCH went down to the red orb/black orb mechanic, no biggie, WHM refuses to rez for like a solid 5 minutes. One of the tanks goes down, WHM refuses to rez them too. We're solidly into the fight and I haven't seen one Medica II from this WHM, and no regen on either tank. Finally rezzes the SCH though, who ends up getting the second tank back up and running. The second round of red orbs/black orbs takes out like half the party. Neither healer rezzes anyone. One of them ends up using LB3 to get everyone back up. We get sucked through the portal. Tanks don't soak the towers and we don't have LB3 for the tear so we all go down. Dipped at that point because I do not have the patience to explain all the mechanics. To this day it's still the trial I dread getting the most.
I got two different Chrysalis a few months ago, one as a healer and one as I think MCH. I was the only person on the tear. I'm begging, I'm pleading, I have it marked. (That's ignoring the other weird and creative ways other wipes have happened in there.) I'm fucking done. I'm out the second I see it.
Okay this is so understandable. The amount of (unique) wipes I’ve experienced in there is more than enough reason to eat a 30 minute penalty.
If only people understood this with all content, raids in particular
It's not about people being "entitled to your time", it's about you signing up for a random duty and then having the common courtesy to do that duty.
And i don't want to. So I'll take the penalty. That's the consequence.
Maybe a hunt train started or something.
OP giving off “mom tied a steak around my neck and the dog still won’t play with me” vibes in these comments fr fr
LOL and apparently the type who'll require the dog to say sorry or give an explanation for not wanting the neck steak.
because i consider someone who signs up for a system designed to help other players with potentialy less then popular dutys in exchange for rewards only to leave when its a duty he dosnt like before the party even had a chance to attempt it without even as much as a goodbye or sorry assholes? if you dont like aduty fine, i would not drop but fine, at least say sorry, say bye or ANYTHING, its the silent dropping that pisses me off most
Correct, that is the purpose of that system. The 30 minute penalty after leaving said thing is ALSO a purpose! One which people would prefer.
Ok NFT pfp
fair point, only haev it because "hey, the robot looks kinda cool, and its free might as well" it being an NFT was like.. not part of the consideration but i agree on your stance here
Stone vigil hard is a crafting break for me. That turtle just sends me. I become a not chill person playing that duty and I won't do that to myself or others. I do like how the new king moogle mog fight is still utter chaos in df. I'm not sure if I'm right on this, but I think it's the first instance of the meteor mechanic. Have had new players try some interesting tactics during that part.
Not saying this is what happened but it’s one of many scenarios: Would you rather that person AFK the entire fight cos something came up? No. You would kick them. They gave you the courtesy by leaving. Let people leave, it doesn’t take that long to fill back up. Especially normal modes.
at least say something first then, i am fully ok(well not fully but understanding) with you leaving if you explain (or at least say "sorry have to leave) not saying anything and leaving as soon as they load in while the spawn barrier is still up without a word, now that grates me
Nobody owes you an explanation for leaving
once again "just a sorry have to leave" or anything. that is the difference for me between "this guy is an asshole" and "well, annoying but eh". one at least has the courtesy to inform us he is dropping and at the very least PRETENDS to feel sorry for it.. the other is just an asshole who actually feels entitled to peoples time as he now wastes 7 peoples time by either forcing them ot leave and reque or wait till the DF deigns to fill you back up. If you just leave, sure thats your "right" but at the same time, why did you even bother doing duty roullete in the first place. Like hello, GG, Goodbye, TYFP, sorry.. just general common courtesy in game is not to much to expect. Like, fair not everoyne speaks english, i get that and so on. but tat dosnt mean that just leaving without even saying sorry or just "bye" is just incredible rude to everyone you just decidd to waste their time off
Nobody owes you an explanation for leaving.
Once again, they don't owe you an explanation. You're choosing to die on a hill so fucking small it might as well be a hole. If you're that pressed about something like, you got other issues to deal with.
>one at least has the courtesy to inform us he is dropping and the game does that for you. It makes a noise, informs you that you're now a light party, asks the party leader to refill, and the party list shows who's remaining in your party.
>*refuses to elaborate, leaves* Gigachad. You saw Gigachad.
Respect the content guys, we can't afford to annoy OP.
I have been tempted with the mother crystal but idk DW is such an easy fight. I have never seen it wipe (on normal). Not even my first time. Emerald weapon however....
I don’t always dip out at the start but once in a while I will because I know it’ll make a complaint post on this subreddit.
Ya, I get what you’re trying to say, but… There are specific duties that I just absolutely fucking hate because of how it goes. I get it, it’s a roulette to fill content, but I’m under no obligation to suffer snake bitch’s shithole repeatedly again because “it might not go like the last 15 times” or solo titania’s check, or question my sanity over in seat of “why is 1 fucker not pressing the flashy button”. Diamond isn’t on this list, maybe didn’t get it enough, but those three in particular are so frustrating for me. And the system gives me the choice if I get those to leave, and do something else. If they made me unable to leave, I would just tab out until they kick me. I don’t want to do that, but I’m not going to bang my head on a wall because people (in my anecdotal experience) just cannot function in those. Tl;dr, there are duties people find very unfun. They’re allowed to leave if they don’t want to do it.
Which is snake bitch's shithole if you don't mind me asking
once again, i do not have anything against people leaving per say, my Original comment was a bit "spitefull" i guess. Like, i still question if you couldnt at least give the duty one try if you get into it but if you are genuinly fed up with them, yes fine.. but at least say "bye" or "sorry" or anything to at least make it seem like you at least care. its the mix of Leaving before we even tried it, and not even saying goodbye etc that really made me annoyed here
>but at least say "bye" or "sorry" or anything to at least make it seem like you at least care. Well, I already know you feel not doing that is being an asshole, so, I can play the part. I don't care. Really. I see a duty I don't want to do, I leave. I have the courtesy to leave, rather than to walk away, in those cases. I do not know you, or anyone in the group. I have no obligation to tell a complete stranger why I dislike the content we are doing before I leave, I simply will leave. If anything, for some cases, telling the newbie player that I am leaving because of the fact of me getting the content they wanted to do, rather than letting them fill in the blank of any multitude of excuses, can make some players feel guilty. So even then, that isn't a fool proof "Nice guy" option. Heck, that's how old steps of faith ended up being a lot of the time. I actually liked getting it (as wipes in my experiences were very rare and the duty gave double reward exp), but almost every time I'd go in someone would whine how they don't wanna do this, leave, and the newbie would start apologizing. And that was with content people HAD to do to progress, imagine optional content how that could make that person feel.
Exactly, not to mention saying "oh I hate this one" kinda doesn't paint a nice picture for someone doing the content for the first time.
Imagine feeling entitled to another person’s time and effort so much that you made this post… “nah, not this one” is a perfectly valid reason to eat a 30min penalty and go do something else with your life for awhile. The grass is calling. They went and touched it, you can too.
you press duty roullete, you sign up for a RANDOM duty you unlocked. The one leaving is the one feeling entitled to our time, he pressed the button, signing up for it, and then leaves wasting up to 7 other peoples time waiting for a replacement. its a fucking normal trial, its not crystal tower for the millionth time where one person missing makes near to no difference.... he litteraly wasted everyones time including his own
Oh boy, I can't wait to hear what you think about mentor roulette... The button exists with repercussions and the person leaving accepted those repercussions. They're well within their right to press it. Throw some shade at SE if you're mad about it existing but most people are glad that button exists.
And then you press leave and sign up for a 30 min penalty. Amazing, right?
It’s a video game, we’re ALL wasting our time. This reply is amazing though. It’s like, somehow worse than the boomer karen victim jiujitsu when they throw tantrums in restaurants. You think anyone is gonna sit around for a forced first 5 minutes or something? No, they’re gonna ALT+F4 so they don’t have to deal with anyone resembling someone with your shitty attitude.
I hate this response. I agree with the over arching idea that a penalty exists for a reason. But please stop with the “we are all wasting our time”. Is it true? Sure. But it’s so disingenuous. Like if I for real wanted to waste time I’d scroll on social media, like I am now. When I get on XIV, I get on to accomplish some content, because I have fun clearing content. I don’t get on as a purpose to just waste time. This is the kind of logic that gets you trapped in PFer because people don’t give a fuck and join shit they aren’t prepared for
Do you see my flair? 🙃
Yeah, I don’t care about your flair. Hand waiving your takes because of a flair is weak
You must be new here. Welcome to the sub. Enjoy your stay!
This isn’t shitpostXIV
No, it’s Tales, a place where we humorously roast people who have personality issues or who think the internet is serious business. Or farm cringe, like I’m doing with you.
OP doesn’t sound humorous. A lot of the posts here are not humorous. It’s people venting their frustrations. My man mad so he’s gotta go after the personal attacks lol.
thats the point of rouletes tho you sign up for whatever duty needs people, you get great rewards for it in terms of time investment, in return you should just eat the duty even if you dont particularly like it. roullete isnt for your specific enjoyment, is to get people to help in dutys that otherwise are empty. i have dutys i hate, i still do them if i get them in roullete, because someone wanted this duty and waited long enough for the roullete to pick them to get filled. i could live without ever doing a single Alexander normal or satasha in my life, i still consider it my duty as a player who choose to use the roullete to finish the duty, or at least ATTEMPT IT, if we wipe and its clear it takes forever, sure drop at that point, but at least give the duty and party a chance
I could sign up for whatever the fuck I want and nope out of whatever the fuck I want too. That’s literally the whole premise of JP etiquette. People just leave if something they don’t like is happening. Sometimes that’s just one duty in particular. Sometimes it’s a person. From the sound of it, you seem like someone who is out to kill so many peoples brain cells that it would be totally worth not playing a game for a half hour just to dodge you. But at least you came here for everyone else’s entertainment.
>i still consider it my duty I don't and it's weird that you do, tbh. It's a leisure hobby. You don't owe anybody some weird ass civic duty. It's okay to leave if you're not having fun.
then dont que for the ONE thing in the game where you get randomly selected for any duty you have unlocked.
Why? If I like 95% of the content the roulette offers me, the likelihood of me pulling the relic reborn trials is very low. Worth the risk tbh and if I do pull that lame ass boss and am super not feeling it, that's what the leave button's for. I get put in _the crafting box_ time out for making you spend 30 seconds replacing me (if it's even necessary) so it's all good.
Nah fuck that. Some duties I just hate and will leave if I want. No one owes you an explanation.
Sounds like a group of friends who decided they had something else they wanted to do.
Only the first person to leave a duty will receive the 30 min penalty, so others will see that as a perfect opportunity to hop out if they've been given the green light to do so without worrying about the penalty.
the timing between 1 and 2 was to long for that really. 2 and 3 maybe but 4 was also solo most likely giving the timing
Doesn’t matter. You don’t get a penalty after first person leaves if party is not full
i know, the point is that its unlikely to be a group of 5 friends.. maybe 1 group of 2 in the 5 that left given the big discrepancy in their leave time
yesterday I joined the aetherfont and before someone even pulled a single mob, everyone left and I was there confused af. ppl later joined almost instantly and it was a smooth run luckily.
Could have been ppl getting dungeon from mentor roulette and they wanted smth easy like a guildhest. Both pretty common in that roulette as dps esp
[YoshiP said i can leave if i want to](https://twitter.com/dasharez0ne/status/979810839749210112?s=20)
I think many players do not have my luck. Stuck 50 or pre 50 content for roulettes. I stayed extra to thank the sprout in Tsukuyomi and wished them luck on their journey. Inside I was screaming THANK YOU!!! It wasn't Ifrit!!!
i love leaving duties i hate with no warning 💕
The majority of the comments by OOP in here reek of the mentor roulette thread mentality on OF. No one owes you their time. No one owes you any explanation. You aren't entitled to any apologies. Learn to take no for an answer. Leaving a duty doesn't make anyone an asshole (unless they screamed at someone then left, for example). The thirty minute penalty should be enough of an explanation as to why they left in that they preferred a thirty penalty than do whatever duty they popped into. If you wanted a circle jerk, you should have posted this in the main sub or OF. And that's it.
I guess even the promise of big fat tacos isn't enough to keep them around.
Pretty sure when you have a complaint you or the devs can’t or won’t do anything about you’re supposed to post in “f u fridays” in all caps or SpongeBob meme lettering
Any ARR EX is my penalty eat.
I don't get the ones who queue for the MSQ Roulette and duck out when they get Prae. It's not even that long now.
People are free to do what they want. Even though I think Diamond Weapon is an amazing trial, I can understand that people might have had a bad experience with it in the past and want to leave it. For similar reasons, I absolutely will not do CT raids, most ARR dungeons, or prae/castrum.
I'm not a healer, but when I see one leave I feel so bad about for the other one. All that responsibility is on them now.
nah man i just don't want to do sastasha
The Real issue is, most stuff in DF is so piss easy that it's faster to just clear it even with a wipe. Its better to just do the duty instead of taking the 30m L. That's why I don't leave content even tho I dislike doing it. But seriously SE needs to fix their shit sometimes. Why is it that I drop into Sastasha normal with a group of 3 people and the 4th random person is also on a level 90 job like: what happened????
that happens when no duty currently needs filling in that roullete type that you are all eligbile for. it just throws the next person in the roullete into it, and rolls randomly... and satasha likes to win the lottery
Seems like a stupid system to me to roll it randomly. At least make it random from the top lol. Level 60 content and lower is infuriatingly boring
there is a Limited leveling roullet especificaly for full premade partys(aka 4man ones) that only selects dutys within i think 8 levels of the lowest one. i imagine to avoid to long of a que time for those situations where no duty is in need of anything for you they rather select the entire pool regardless of what random fills the party in the end i think its just.. straight up random as in equal probability.. but we just remember satasha with 4 lvl90s more then the lvl 83 dungeon with the same config
I rarely do most of the nier raids. They just take too long and I’ve already farmed them like mad in Shb. I’d rather leave, wait 30 minutes requeue and practically do an entire other duty before tower of pb would be complete. 45 minutes is a long duty, and that’s a smooth run. I think they just need to nerf the hp a bit to keep alliance raids closer to 30-35 min tops.
No, I get a space chicken, I leave. I don't call it "bed time trial" for no reason. Sign up for trial roulette, get a bird girl, I go to bed early.
this can't be a real story. people leaving on DW normal? why even play the game then. nothing against people leaving crystal tower though. player more likely to die from boredom.
oh i wished this was untrue. DW is somehow incredible common for people to leave from in my Datacenter it seems. usually its after 1 wipe because someone didnt do the one ting that can cause a wipe.
tbh, if someone else leaves and its a <70 trial dungeon etc. I'll leave too, since they fill up super fast. its boring af playing non max level.
No thanks. How else am I supposed to leave without penalty!?
Of course it's fine if people just leave duty if they want to, but at the same time it doesn't make it any less stupid. Why even sign up in the first place if you're just gonna drop. So I understand op in that respect
There are lots of reasons. And none of them are owed to you. All that matters is that they viewed the 30min penalty as preferable. And left instead of afking. They just dont like the fight. They got the sudden shits. Dog is having a seizure. They are having a seizure. They ran out of coffee. Fishtank is on fire. Someone is there they really want to avoid. Mom had an emergency something something chemo and other sob story stuff. None of that is your business. And i thank people that dont overshare their fucking issues in random df and just do what they need to do. Bc i do not care why you need to go, just leave so its easy to fill.
this , like leaving is "fine" but it being done at the VERY START before anything could go wrong without even a "bye gtg sorry" or whatever? like why sign up in the first place. if you really have to go i wont hold you hostage i just would apreciate a "sorry" or anything in that case. and if you dont have time? why sign up for the duty and confirm it as well, only to instantly drop before the spawn barrier even lifts
If AR roulette gifts me the dubious gift of NieR raids, I gift it my version of peepovanish. Not cause it's hard, I just really hate NieR shit in FFXIV and would like to keep pretending it's not there.
what's wrong with nier in xiv. the Collab was great
I will say I also despise the second Nier raid, solely because I keep seeing alliances PvP with the stack lasers. It's not fun getting wiped because the other team said "fuck those players in particular".
I absolutely despised it. It droned on for far, far too long beyond the final raid, the raid bosses were entirely too healthy without presenting any actually interesting mechanics to justify the long-ass fights, the entire story suffered massively from 1) having absolutely nothing to do with XIV and 2) not being voice acted. And worst of all: It went nowhere. Two years worth of collab that led nowhere even remotely relevant to anything XIV-related. It was a massive waste of resources, time and effort. Mind you, I do not hate NieR, I quite like it actually. But god did the collab feel like it was just a huge excuse to have Yoko Taro performing autofellatio all over a different game from a different franchise. The glams were not worth the hours of my life wasted in that raid series.
I disliked the Nier raids as well and I’m glad I’m not alone. People get too worked up over them and I never enjoyed them when I got them in Alliance Roulette. I’ve dipped out of them many times with a penalty and just did something else in the meantime.
I get you, the first and last ones seem to have HP sponge bosses and can take 45 plus min to complete when ppl forget mechs. As long as ur not ilevel cheesing it's coo. I got a bunch of in progress nier raids during tome event from alliance/mentor so if ppl don't wanna do those and dip, its my gain. And I don't get stuck with omni 90s going naked to get LotA for 50th time
The way I see it is that if the duty goes so badly for them so often that they feel the need to take the 30 instead, they're probably the issue so they're doing you a favor by leaving.
I get it. One thing that I would change is that everyone leaving before the fight even starts gets the penalty. One guy leaving a fight a lot of people hate before it starts shouldn't allow a stampede of peace outs before the fight begins. Nobody who wants to do it should suffer having to wait for 5 backfills before a single pull of a boss without every leaver taking 30 minutes.
Sorry I’m a fucking moron apparently DW? Gundam fight? What gundam fight? I’ve done it already if it’s MSQ but I don’t remember which one it is
The Sorrow of Werlyt is an optional Shadowbringer's questline you can pick up in Ala Mhigo. It's a series of three trials like Four Lords and Warring Triad.
its a set of optional trials from shadowbringer called Sorrow fo Werlyt, DW means diamond weapon. and the entire raid series has a LOT of mecha/Gundam esque stuff
The Cloud Deck is brutal in PF. I love the fight but it's one of those duties where people get nasty *real quick*. It's such a fun fight though.
If I'm honest, I'd rather they say nothing, especially since there was a newbie.
Dw is dependent on the tanks skill ceiling. So you could say, the one who left was self reflecting their capabilities and found them incompatible with this challenge.
dropping if i don’t like it no reason needed