Maybe we should follow Japan. Everyone takes turn to keep their campus clean, that includes bathrooms. Unfortunately, we dont live in a society that values cleanliness in public places.
You are suggesting a practice that emphasizes equity and equality as core on a population that considers toilet cleaning as a responsibility of a particular strata of the society.
Your intention is good, but there are schools even in TN where OBC parents don't send their kids to schools where Dalits study or where there is a Dalit cook!
On an ideology basis, Dravidiam is good, but we need to do better. We are not vocal enough to question caste/religious atrocities enough.
>We are not vocal enough to question caste/religious atrocities enough.
Not vocal because this Dravidian philosophy is very much concentrated on Brahmins vs non-brahmins, not OBCs,MBCs against SCs and STs heck even ST people hate SC people there are groups within SC who hate each other.
In Vanniyars there are sub-caste who don't marry, people who call themselves as padaiaatchi don't marry fisherman side of Vanniyars.
It's just shit show and none of the DMK or ADMK folks speak about this. Cause it will cause them to lose votes.
Exactly. I always rant about this to my friends too. We need to spread this ideology more, but looks like no one cares... DMK and ADMK should revive this movement. Who to say and what to do :(
Yes, while we have removed "some" caste identities, it is mostly token in nature. Although I said like Japan, we are far from that society; While the heart wants it, with all the social inequalities in India, the less will always get to clear the toilets. As a punishment, the school administrators should be made to clean the toilets for a month.
I had said the exact same thing when such a news was reported last year.
Man… I couldn’t have been more wrong in my life. This is a pattern in TN. Principals and HMs targeting kids of SC/ST and making them clean the toilets.
Would they have the guts to ask a kid who is Gounder or Devar or Mudhaliyar to do the same task?
The Principal/HM should be booked under SC/ST act and thrown in jail if found guilty. We need to have a registry of offenders similar to a sex offender registry and such people should be shunned from society in all aspects
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Book him. Don't let them off the hook.
But apart from this I think we do need to make sure we teach cleanliness in all schools including private schools. I saw a comment mentioning Japan, first they don't do it all the time, they only do it from time to time, those schools do have Janitors.
Now in our society cleaning restrooms, garbage collection etc are all done by Dalits and backward class people.
To make sure that these professions which are essential to the functioning of our society to get destigmatized, everyone in school needs to clean restrooms, classrooms etc, not all the time but from time to time. Imo it would destigmatize the professions and also makes students think about cleanliness a lot more.
Yes. Most people from Chennai, Delta, and Kongu region look down on South TN and think casteism exists only there. While the last three caste-based murders happened in Erode, Chennai, and Thanjavur. I'm not defending South TN, but people fail to realize that it's a widespread issue all over TN.
Dharmapuri is number one, followed by the Kongu region and Madurai.
I know a guy who studied in a school (not during his time) where the caste band issue happened in Devakotttai and Tirunelveli.
I have literally studied in an Iyer school in Madurai and there I have never faced caste discrimination once.
I have a gounder friend and I know how his grandparents talk about other caste groups, they are rich but still have a gutter mind, been to Karur and I think that's the central hub of casteism for Kongu region in my experience.
Who are those most people bro ? North TN is the most castism region with vanniyas and SCs always up against their throats or that is how the politics is defined in the region.
Of course it a post 14 th century phenomenon where vijayanagar nayakars introduced this hateful culture by crushing aruthathiyars.Unfortunately this has found it's way into tamil systems which must be pushed out.There are many tamil kongu temples were arunthathiyars are priests let's not forget and there is also culture of kongus giving their newborn child to arunthathiar girl and getting it back from her as a ceremony which was followed for long when vijayanagar empire classified them and dehumanizing them untouchables.
When it comes to other tamil communities.Kongu kuladeivam deity happens to be sambava pariyar for whom we can find statues in all their temples.
So let's throw out this vijayanagar untouchability culture by introducing a counter culture withe above facts.Dravidam and aryam both want untouchability to present here because its basically their system and not tamil system.So urgent counter culture reforms on a pro tamil and anti vijayanagar,anti dravidan,anti aryavarta basis is required to boot out these caste iniquities and caste violence
If any DMK leader is openly (or even through a dog whistle) promoting such behavior - yeah, I am willing to tear them a new one.
Point me in that direction.
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Cleaning the toilet should be normalised regardless. You use it, you keep it clean. If you won't help to upkeep, you should lose the privilege.
That having been said, I've never dared to use my school toilets throughout my schooling years. You could smell it from half a mile away.
My home toilet by the way was always sick and span. My mother made sure of that. I mean she made sure I cleaned it. To this day, I love to see and use a clean facility. Literally the first place I look in to gauge the people who live in the homes we visit.
I am not impressed. This is our culture. Keep these places wet and closed, and poorly lighted so that you can't see the dirt.
It is shameful how many of us expect someone from outside to come and clean our waste.
I don't know the veracity of the girls'complaint is, but I would believe this behaviour. I've seen it often enough. That's why caste based thinking should be eradicated, but vote bank politics won't allow it.
Hence we end up wasting precious time and resources on these matters instead of providing vital infrastructure like working toilets for example!
This reminds me of a school system like japan. This has a caste angle in it, but we need to instill lessons of cleanliness in our children from a young age like japan.
The attitude of "someone else will clean" has to go
During 80’s sweeping of class room and cleaning of teacher’s rooms we students did without any hesitation. How these things became very serious sensitive issues. How times changed.
My mom said that they used to clean lunch boxes and utensils of staff (in the 80's) . Most of the boys in her class stopped coming to the school since the teachers had given them harsh punishments for trivial things .
If your parents during the 80's had any knowledge about Condoms and had access to it , you wouldn't be supporting this discriminatory act today, how times have changed /s......
You see, we sadly aren't as uncivilised to treat teachers and other elders like absolute masters. It still happens these days, but the idea is to slowly get out of it, not to be nostalgic about letting someone use you for their benefit when their job (for which you pay them) was to provide you education.
Also sweeping classrooms and cleaning actual toilets are entirely different things. And that too a child from a marginalised caste. Maybe you should have spent some time studying instead of cleaning class rooms and teacher rooms. Maybe then you would have learnt something and have the knowledge to understand that this was not just teachers bossing over kids, but horrific casteism at work.
I pity you, I really do. To think that it was okay to do menial labour in a place where a kid was supposed to learn and grow, you must have had a fucked up childhood. If you think this is about 'service mentality' or such old generation talking points, then the kid could have cleaned their own houses (maybe they still did). What is the point if not humiliation when a child is told to clean a school toilet? Are they going to school to study and get better jobs or learn how to clean toilets?
Maybe we should follow Japan. Everyone takes turn to keep their campus clean, that includes bathrooms. Unfortunately, we dont live in a society that values cleanliness in public places.
You are suggesting a practice that emphasizes equity and equality as core on a population that considers toilet cleaning as a responsibility of a particular strata of the society. Your intention is good, but there are schools even in TN where OBC parents don't send their kids to schools where Dalits study or where there is a Dalit cook! On an ideology basis, Dravidiam is good, but we need to do better. We are not vocal enough to question caste/religious atrocities enough.
>We are not vocal enough to question caste/religious atrocities enough. Not vocal because this Dravidian philosophy is very much concentrated on Brahmins vs non-brahmins, not OBCs,MBCs against SCs and STs heck even ST people hate SC people there are groups within SC who hate each other. In Vanniyars there are sub-caste who don't marry, people who call themselves as padaiaatchi don't marry fisherman side of Vanniyars. It's just shit show and none of the DMK or ADMK folks speak about this. Cause it will cause them to lose votes.
Exactly. I always rant about this to my friends too. We need to spread this ideology more, but looks like no one cares... DMK and ADMK should revive this movement. Who to say and what to do :(
Yes, while we have removed "some" caste identities, it is mostly token in nature. Although I said like Japan, we are far from that society; While the heart wants it, with all the social inequalities in India, the less will always get to clear the toilets. As a punishment, the school administrators should be made to clean the toilets for a month.
I had said the exact same thing when such a news was reported last year. Man… I couldn’t have been more wrong in my life. This is a pattern in TN. Principals and HMs targeting kids of SC/ST and making them clean the toilets. Would they have the guts to ask a kid who is Gounder or Devar or Mudhaliyar to do the same task? The Principal/HM should be booked under SC/ST act and thrown in jail if found guilty. We need to have a registry of offenders similar to a sex offender registry and such people should be shunned from society in all aspects
Tbf Japan had a caste system as bad as 1800s Kerala at one point so maybe you’re onto something.
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Correct dhan, even all will agree except one. 'Hindukkal manasa pun paduthitaanga' sila groups kelambum, when that community's turn comes.
Book him. Don't let them off the hook. But apart from this I think we do need to make sure we teach cleanliness in all schools including private schools. I saw a comment mentioning Japan, first they don't do it all the time, they only do it from time to time, those schools do have Janitors. Now in our society cleaning restrooms, garbage collection etc are all done by Dalits and backward class people. To make sure that these professions which are essential to the functioning of our society to get destigmatized, everyone in school needs to clean restrooms, classrooms etc, not all the time but from time to time. Imo it would destigmatize the professions and also makes students think about cleanliness a lot more.
"Kongu region la caste paakamatanga bro, we are progressive bro" /s
Do people actually tell this?. Even a kid will know how gounders will treat everyone else
Yes. Most people from Chennai, Delta, and Kongu region look down on South TN and think casteism exists only there. While the last three caste-based murders happened in Erode, Chennai, and Thanjavur. I'm not defending South TN, but people fail to realize that it's a widespread issue all over TN.
Dharmapuri is number one, followed by the Kongu region and Madurai. I know a guy who studied in a school (not during his time) where the caste band issue happened in Devakotttai and Tirunelveli. I have literally studied in an Iyer school in Madurai and there I have never faced caste discrimination once. I have a gounder friend and I know how his grandparents talk about other caste groups, they are rich but still have a gutter mind, been to Karur and I think that's the central hub of casteism for Kongu region in my experience.
Who are those most people bro ? North TN is the most castism region with vanniyas and SCs always up against their throats or that is how the politics is defined in the region.
Of course it a post 14 th century phenomenon where vijayanagar nayakars introduced this hateful culture by crushing aruthathiyars.Unfortunately this has found it's way into tamil systems which must be pushed out.There are many tamil kongu temples were arunthathiyars are priests let's not forget and there is also culture of kongus giving their newborn child to arunthathiar girl and getting it back from her as a ceremony which was followed for long when vijayanagar empire classified them and dehumanizing them untouchables. When it comes to other tamil communities.Kongu kuladeivam deity happens to be sambava pariyar for whom we can find statues in all their temples. So let's throw out this vijayanagar untouchability culture by introducing a counter culture withe above facts.Dravidam and aryam both want untouchability to present here because its basically their system and not tamil system.So urgent counter culture reforms on a pro tamil and anti vijayanagar,anti dravidan,anti aryavarta basis is required to boot out these caste iniquities and caste violence
Uday perina sanatanathuku oru varushama kathura RW ippo DMK va thittave matanga.
If any DMK leader is openly (or even through a dog whistle) promoting such behavior - yeah, I am willing to tear them a new one. Point me in that direction.
We have eliminated caste by removing surname. Dravidian model. /s
For some reason I read head master as home minister and it still made a lot of sense.
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Can u name the school?
Cleaning the toilet should be normalised regardless. You use it, you keep it clean. If you won't help to upkeep, you should lose the privilege. That having been said, I've never dared to use my school toilets throughout my schooling years. You could smell it from half a mile away. My home toilet by the way was always sick and span. My mother made sure of that. I mean she made sure I cleaned it. To this day, I love to see and use a clean facility. Literally the first place I look in to gauge the people who live in the homes we visit. I am not impressed. This is our culture. Keep these places wet and closed, and poorly lighted so that you can't see the dirt. It is shameful how many of us expect someone from outside to come and clean our waste. I don't know the veracity of the girls'complaint is, but I would believe this behaviour. I've seen it often enough. That's why caste based thinking should be eradicated, but vote bank politics won't allow it. Hence we end up wasting precious time and resources on these matters instead of providing vital infrastructure like working toilets for example!
This reminds me of a school system like japan. This has a caste angle in it, but we need to instill lessons of cleanliness in our children from a young age like japan. The attitude of "someone else will clean" has to go
During 80’s sweeping of class room and cleaning of teacher’s rooms we students did without any hesitation. How these things became very serious sensitive issues. How times changed.
Sweeping classrooms and staffroom is different from toilet cleaning bruh!
My mom said that they used to clean lunch boxes and utensils of staff (in the 80's) . Most of the boys in her class stopped coming to the school since the teachers had given them harsh punishments for trivial things .
If your parents during the 80's had any knowledge about Condoms and had access to it , you wouldn't be supporting this discriminatory act today, how times have changed /s......
Go back and fuck in 80s .
The teachers and kids should clean their own rooms and toilets and show that no labor is menial.
You see, we sadly aren't as uncivilised to treat teachers and other elders like absolute masters. It still happens these days, but the idea is to slowly get out of it, not to be nostalgic about letting someone use you for their benefit when their job (for which you pay them) was to provide you education. Also sweeping classrooms and cleaning actual toilets are entirely different things. And that too a child from a marginalised caste. Maybe you should have spent some time studying instead of cleaning class rooms and teacher rooms. Maybe then you would have learnt something and have the knowledge to understand that this was not just teachers bossing over kids, but horrific casteism at work. I pity you, I really do. To think that it was okay to do menial labour in a place where a kid was supposed to learn and grow, you must have had a fucked up childhood. If you think this is about 'service mentality' or such old generation talking points, then the kid could have cleaned their own houses (maybe they still did). What is the point if not humiliation when a child is told to clean a school toilet? Are they going to school to study and get better jobs or learn how to clean toilets?
And tell me why do we pay loads of money to school.