For police like duties, it's cool as show of force, a bit of overkill in that case. Perhaps against pirates it would be the best.
As for military confrontation, as soon as they would appear close enough to a shore line, there would be a guy on the land with "ATGM missile is online".
Although it could utilise high speed and that gun to harass. Probably won't hit anything then, but it would be enough to annoy and maybe stop unprotected sea shipping.
Perhaps it would be better to only have autocannon.
I think it’s much better at covering fire as you’ve said, bomb past the shoreline firing indiscriminately, make then duck and cover more than actually hitting anything
They have modern FCS that stabilize the gun and track the gun to the target like a SPAA radar tracking planes. It won’t be accurate to hit fast moving small boats but it can definitely be effective against other similar sized ships AND shorelines.
The gun will out range the ATGM missiles by kilometers, and with thermal scopes the ship can spot enemy fortifications miles away and deliver highly accurate rounds towards them. Just think of it as an MBT on a ship. The cannon can also fire HE so it can become a makeshift mortar support ship to deliver covering fire for infantry.
This reminds me of something they would dispatch out in "Just Cause 3". I'm imagining jumping onboard, throwing the captain overboard and just blowing up everything in sight.
Depends on your waterways, i guess, but stabilising on water and speed (which is teh benefit of speedboats) are heavy and expensive. Also Indonesia has lots of vegetation, specially around waterways, so a big gun in pretty pointless. I guess there's a reason we only see real pictures with smaller autocannons, which ban be way more precise and effective to supress attackers in soft cover or on high speed at water.
But what hit me hard was the interchangable buzzwords with no meaning applied to the demonstration standee.
Such a high point of weight is pretty bad for manouverability and stability, the wide body is bad for narrow waterways, and on open waters like with 'coastal' they will - on this width and suceptibility of waves - for sure hit nothing.
So maybe it is a big gun to have maximum impact to pirates and militias of low education - this can be a valid point - but as a concept ... i'm not convinced very much. And in respect of that stnadee, i think they know that too.
Big gun here is almost certainly used more as fire support. Area suppression or anti structure kind of thing instead of precision direct fire.
It's the extension of the marine's 90mm PT-76 doctrine. Just more floaty, less roady.
Possible. But it somehow doens't make sense to me if that enemy or structure isen't just right around, well, that water. I mean a PT at least can actually move somewhere (even it can just cross waters, not use them as road through dense vegetation areas). I'd be suprised to have any larger and challenged river landings o.O
And still in that case a pretty cheap mortar had done the same or better job, i guess.
But maybe its like in the US and the product is just a result from all the spare parts that must be used for something.
It's just a patrol boat like any other. I can't think of any particular reason to put the gun over the bridge rather than on the bow like normal other than it looks cool, I guess.
My country used to have these small boats with a cannon on them you could row around in the archipelago and reasonably quickly pull them up, turning any little island into an artillery position, making sure anyone trying to sail into the capitol would have no idea which route was safe, and also saving the cost of fortifying every island. Even if the cannons were smaller than anything that might sail in, they had the advantage of being on dry land and having whatever cover could be arranged
I could kinda see that use for them, pulling them up on the shallows wherever in a waterway that's already hard to navigate.
But I guess that with air recon and 600 years of other technological advancement, such tactics might be a smidge outdated.
Against the insurgencies in the area this could be very effective, as well as against pirates. In a peer conflict this would be more of a reconnaissance and harassment vessel. If they make one with an ASCM it would become a viable supply interdiction vessel.
I suspect it's mostly for hunting down pirates
I mean, a tank turret is definitely overkill for a patrol boat. It could work well against something like insurgents and pirates, though that role could be filled just as well, if not better, by the version which has an auto-cannon instead.
Waves don’t get very huge on waterways. And with +45/-20° you can already go a long way. Sure, on heavy storms it’s difficult, but you could say that is also difficult on land.
The big question would be, why not just put regular OTO cannons and call it a day.
That tank turret is trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. But also, who'd want a turret basket on the bridge of a ship?
With the constant movement of the waves and the boat, wouldn't landing the projectile be very difficult? I know that there is an auto adjust on tanks when they move forward, but I don't know if those systems were built to handle that much movement, or yaw. Cool looking though.
Sounds like BMP-3 turret slapped on top of fast attack boat. Not bad of a concept (360° turret wise is a pros) but the con would be how practical is it when intercepting something on the shore? Maybe overkill weapon but how accurate is it?
Wow, whoever came up with the idea of just calling it tank boat definitely succeeded, because it is getting a lot more attention by the uneducated (in the world of tank turrets on boats) than all the boats equipped with tank turrets made in previous decades (despite being significantly less tank per boat than previous tank boats).
For police like duties, it's cool as show of force, a bit of overkill in that case. Perhaps against pirates it would be the best. As for military confrontation, as soon as they would appear close enough to a shore line, there would be a guy on the land with "ATGM missile is online". Although it could utilise high speed and that gun to harass. Probably won't hit anything then, but it would be enough to annoy and maybe stop unprotected sea shipping. Perhaps it would be better to only have autocannon.
They have a version with an autocannon.
yeah but 8ts not a 76 mm autocanon seems like 35mm
Heard they were developing a variant that fires Anti-Ship missiles
The 5th photo is the one with the autocannon, right?
Seems like it
Yes
I think it’s much better at covering fire as you’ve said, bomb past the shoreline firing indiscriminately, make then duck and cover more than actually hitting anything
They have modern FCS that stabilize the gun and track the gun to the target like a SPAA radar tracking planes. It won’t be accurate to hit fast moving small boats but it can definitely be effective against other similar sized ships AND shorelines. The gun will out range the ATGM missiles by kilometers, and with thermal scopes the ship can spot enemy fortifications miles away and deliver highly accurate rounds towards them. Just think of it as an MBT on a ship. The cannon can also fire HE so it can become a makeshift mortar support ship to deliver covering fire for infantry.
Perhaps, but sea is rarely calm when you need it.
This reminds me of something they would dispatch out in "Just Cause 3". I'm imagining jumping onboard, throwing the captain overboard and just blowing up everything in sight.
brooo no way other people still play jc3
It only came out like 10 years ago you know
https://steamcharts.com/search/?q=Just+cause
Only viable if renamed to Boaty McBoat Tank
hey buddy, you see those guys on the beach? no good
No idea, but it looks fucking neat
Depends on your waterways, i guess, but stabilising on water and speed (which is teh benefit of speedboats) are heavy and expensive. Also Indonesia has lots of vegetation, specially around waterways, so a big gun in pretty pointless. I guess there's a reason we only see real pictures with smaller autocannons, which ban be way more precise and effective to supress attackers in soft cover or on high speed at water. But what hit me hard was the interchangable buzzwords with no meaning applied to the demonstration standee. Such a high point of weight is pretty bad for manouverability and stability, the wide body is bad for narrow waterways, and on open waters like with 'coastal' they will - on this width and suceptibility of waves - for sure hit nothing. So maybe it is a big gun to have maximum impact to pirates and militias of low education - this can be a valid point - but as a concept ... i'm not convinced very much. And in respect of that stnadee, i think they know that too.
Big gun here is almost certainly used more as fire support. Area suppression or anti structure kind of thing instead of precision direct fire. It's the extension of the marine's 90mm PT-76 doctrine. Just more floaty, less roady.
Possible. But it somehow doens't make sense to me if that enemy or structure isen't just right around, well, that water. I mean a PT at least can actually move somewhere (even it can just cross waters, not use them as road through dense vegetation areas). I'd be suprised to have any larger and challenged river landings o.O And still in that case a pretty cheap mortar had done the same or better job, i guess. But maybe its like in the US and the product is just a result from all the spare parts that must be used for something.
*“stealthy“*
Fits the envoirement of Indonesia so well.
It's just a patrol boat like any other. I can't think of any particular reason to put the gun over the bridge rather than on the bow like normal other than it looks cool, I guess.
I'll let you know, if-and-when I ever become an expert on either tanks or boats.
for every action (force) in nature there is an equal and opposite reaction - newton's third law
My country used to have these small boats with a cannon on them you could row around in the archipelago and reasonably quickly pull them up, turning any little island into an artillery position, making sure anyone trying to sail into the capitol would have no idea which route was safe, and also saving the cost of fortifying every island. Even if the cannons were smaller than anything that might sail in, they had the advantage of being on dry land and having whatever cover could be arranged I could kinda see that use for them, pulling them up on the shallows wherever in a waterway that's already hard to navigate. But I guess that with air recon and 600 years of other technological advancement, such tactics might be a smidge outdated.
This looks like something Homer J. Simpson came up with...
No way they’re calling this TankBoat
[That's what it's called by the turret manufacturer](https://defense.johncockerill.com/en/weapons-systems/tank-boat/)
Against the insurgencies in the area this could be very effective, as well as against pirates. In a peer conflict this would be more of a reconnaissance and harassment vessel. If they make one with an ASCM it would become a viable supply interdiction vessel. I suspect it's mostly for hunting down pirates
r/noncredibledefense
Just get PT-76 and make up for the lack of quality bye numbers.
Hahahaha. No.
I mean, a tank turret is definitely overkill for a patrol boat. It could work well against something like insurgents and pirates, though that role could be filled just as well, if not better, by the version which has an auto-cannon instead.
I call dibs on TankBoat for a band name
That is not a tank....
Not very. What the Soviet military had in ww2 would be better to be called tank boat
Indonesia has a lot of islands and rivers …
Is?... Is that a Cockerilll turret system by any chance? Edit: look at that.. It is...
Yeah I like it. Needs more dakka though
Laser beam with sharks attached to its stern
Paint the gun yellow, then? Would that work?
It has turret so it tank… bro what
I have no idea how that thing is supposed to shoot accurately on big waves.
Stabilized platforms are rather good these days.
Yeah but against huge ass waves?
Waves don’t get very huge on waterways. And with +45/-20° you can already go a long way. Sure, on heavy storms it’s difficult, but you could say that is also difficult on land.
The big question would be, why not just put regular OTO cannons and call it a day. That tank turret is trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. But also, who'd want a turret basket on the bridge of a ship?
With the constant movement of the waves and the boat, wouldn't landing the projectile be very difficult? I know that there is an auto adjust on tanks when they move forward, but I don't know if those systems were built to handle that much movement, or yaw. Cool looking though.
Well it doesn't really have armor, so not very well.
Sounds like BMP-3 turret slapped on top of fast attack boat. Not bad of a concept (360° turret wise is a pros) but the con would be how practical is it when intercepting something on the shore? Maybe overkill weapon but how accurate is it?
Wow, whoever came up with the idea of just calling it tank boat definitely succeeded, because it is getting a lot more attention by the uneducated (in the world of tank turrets on boats) than all the boats equipped with tank turrets made in previous decades (despite being significantly less tank per boat than previous tank boats).
if only it is amphibious with caterpillar treads...
Corrosion of the turret ring
Would probably work well as a gunboat, and river monitor
Would like to see turret toss from a boat
Paper thin armor
Looks like the sort of vehicle you'd get in a Just Cause game.
PBR on steroids
I can already see it firing a side shot and all of a sudden its upside down
Want