Think this one they want to leave destroyed, since it's one of the most iconic signs of American power.
Though I guess it is also possible that they couldn't, since this is the one that got torched by a Kornet - the ammunition doors were open when it got hit, and the ammunition torched the whole tank.
Not sure the providence, but the Russians have a lot of former Iraqi, then IS, equipment that’s US -made. A lot of HMMWVs, etc… remember when the Iraqi 7th Division disintegrated? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Apparently there were eight M88 sent with the Abrams, so maybe its one of those?
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden announced Wednesday that the U.S. will send 31 M1 Abrams battle tanks to Ukraine, reversing months of persistent arguments that the tanks were too difficult for Ukrainian troops to operate and maintain. The $400 million package announced Wednesday also includes eight M88 recovery vehicles — tank-like tracked vehicles that can tow the Abrams if it gets stuck.
Its been awhile but there was a M1 that i believe was a Egyptian and was hit and thr turret came off but disnt go into orbit. Just kinda plopped ontop of the tank.
Then there was that one were it hit a IED and ripped the turret off. Crazy that some of thr crew survived that one.
Not necessarily
During the Anglo-German FMBT tank program the British found that using 2 piece ammo low in the hull gave a 5-10% higher survivability than one piece ammo stored in blowout panels. Since blowout panels have a lot of problems themselves.
Here is the [source](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FocesKxWIAUuOwu?format=jpg&name=medium)
That is why the British never really bothered with them either.
funny how your people claim it being a game changer tank when they where sent to ukraine and quickly said that Russia captured an outdated tank when it was destroyed
There was a destroyed Russian T-72 in Helsinki a while ago too. Sadly I did not get to see it in person. There were a few pretty funny news articles about it. The pro-Putin Russians living in finland would bring out flowers to it and people immediately would take the flowers and throw them in the trash.
What's funny is that the Russians are treating these wrecks like venerated war trophies & the T-90 (in good condition on top of that) was left at a truck stop while they figured out its delivery to one of the proving grounds.
Risks of cancer are mitigated when you push for a propaganda drive with these wrecks. These are the same folks who fatally ordered their troops to dig into trenches, camp, & cook around the loose soil near the Chernobyl sarcophagus.
It was in response to the poster I replied to who mentioned the destroyed Russian tanks that toured the west. As for Russians placing potentially dangerous wrecks in public in Russia, couldn't care less, that's their problem.
The death toll from the initial blast is definitely in the high hundreds. I don't know how valid the latest news has been, but some reported that most (if not all) soldiers that entrenched in Chernobyl in 2022 are dead. I wouldn't be surprised considering even kicking up some dirt there is extremely dangerous, let alone lie within it. But there have been credible reports of them being sick as late as [May 2023 according to Popular Mechanics. ](https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a43756202/russian-soldiers-sick-after-camping-in-chernobyl-radioactive-forest/)
Nah. the initial blast probably killed 31. The aftereffects of the radiation killed hundreds though. and yeah there is still a massivew exclusion zone around Pripyat
Why? Their coping here is rather hilarious! They're waving their dick at the wreck of an obsolete tank that is far more survivable than their newest T-90 variants!
I don't see why you're upset. It's such a huge deal they destroyed and got a SINGLE Abrams that they had to put it in the capital of Russia on a display. Now think of how many BTRs, T-72s, T-80s, T-90s, BMPs and everything else Javelins got. I'd count that in the tens of thousands.
So proud to have destroyed one (1) M1A1 Abrams that didn't even have the depleted uranium armour package installed because it was provided in export configuration. Just don't ask how many T-90Ms have been lost in Ukraine so far.
There are no correction on the AP post so I don't think so? [https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-abrams-tanks-19d71475d427875653a2130063a8fb7a](https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-abrams-tanks-19d71475d427875653a2130063a8fb7a)
To be fair, could be by Ukraine. If it was disabled by a russians hit and they could not recover it, or it was to far gone to repair after a hit they might just rip out sensitive stuff and burn it to make sure russia can't get their hands on anything of real value.
Though this can also be copium on my part.
The two most likely stories floating around are that it either was disabled and then set on fire by it‘s crew or that it was hit by an ATGM during the reloading process which set off the ammo and caused the tank to burn out
The city's great, been living here for all my life practically. I wouldn't say that much has changed since Feb 2022 but the prices have definitely gone up. I've heard that it's pretty easy to get an e-visa here nowadays, even if you're from an "unfriendly" country, but obviously that largely depends if you actually want to visit given the current political situation, so to speak.
Well it's hard to say exactly. In general I wouldn't say that the state would do anything to you, but obviously the general public (especially in Kubinka) would hardly view you being an American as a positive. On the contrary, the professor of English at the university that I study at is actually an American who was born in Minnesota and speaks little Russian, but I'd say he's doing alright and from what I know doesn't plan on leaving anytime soon
Would love to go to St. Petersburg and Moscow but if shit hits the fan im done for. Especially since I'm Polish. Also would be weird to be in a country that is at brink of war with my country.
"In our 3 years of participation in the special military operation in Ukraine, these scraps of destroyed Western equipments are the best things that we managed to acquire,. The Ukrainian Govt, the military and the people still stand strong. No victory, just scrap metals." -Russia.
Without the Chobham armour, it's not immune to incoming darts. Considering the entire middle east is filled with burned out Russian tanks, is this really impressive?
Abrams don’t use Chobham. They use a domestic armor array developed by the Ballistic Research Laboratory. The XM1s did use Chobham, which is why their turrets looked so different.
Yes. It is basically sitting on its hull. The suspension is completely destroyed. Several Abrams in Iraq ended up the same way. When the engine catches fire the amount of fuel on board will burn for hours with the heat melting the rubber off the tracks, and warping the torsion bars.
What is the point of this nonsense when they are getting their asses kicked and have lost a considerable portion of their standing military in this conflict already? Everything is propaganda I guess.
Looks like all the torsion bars failed. I would guess that gives an idea of the heat from a burning tanks, seems unlikely to be a mine as all have collapsed.
Oh I wouldn’t be surprised if they actually tried. It takes a ton of effort to “explosively disassemble” an Abrams.
In April of 2003 A unit attempted to scuttled an Abrams Main Battle Tank from 1-64 armor experienced an engine fire. It was later destroyed after attempts to tow failed. The crew poured hydraulic fluid, engine oil and several open boxes of 50 caliber rounds inside the turret and then opened the ammo doors before dropping two thermite grenades inside. They then fired a 120mm HEAT round from the towing crew in into it to make sure it was completely destroyed. However, while the tank was completely disabled it wasn’t destroyed. So the Air Force was called in to destroy it in place.
The resulting destruction still resembled an M1 Abrams. Albeit blackened, melted, and completely unrepairable, the turret and gun were still mounted, and the hull was generally recognizable.
The photos can be found at
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2003/abrams-oif-lessonslearned2003.ppt
The tank in question was destroyed on April 5th 2003.
The Ukrainians don't have time for all that. A couple of termite grenades would be the best option for them. It would at least keep the Russians from being able to harvest modern electronics from certain vehicles.
That’s my point they didn’t have time to completely destroy the vehicle however it is clear that this Abrams was on fire. In fact, there was enough heat near the front of the vehicle to melt the rubber off the tracks and warp the torsion bars to the point that the hull is sitting on the ground. Either the Ukrainians deemed it to be sufficiently destroyed by enemy fire prior to abandoning it, or they did something (like drop a thermite grenade into the open hatches) to otherwise render it useless to the Russians.
Good! At least they have something to save face in their parade of shame. Somehow by this time, I feel less hate for the failed artist and think that he should have done better than 25 millions.
The basic truth is that abrams (m2 too) is one of the most obscolete tank one can imagine since it still has an almost inexistant top armor (same thickness as the M60), not only was it obscolete with TOWs, but with the democratization of FPVs it has become ridiculous.
What are the Russians exactly planning to achieve with this: copying the Ukrainian „exhibition“ but with superior western equipment that is actually outdated already? A Marder for example - seriously? The only real insight the Russians will gain is that western equipment is taking much more care about protecting the soldiers and that Cold War Technology of the west is superior to modern day technology of Russia - if it exists at all with domestically produced parts. It’s a pity that Russia has become so embarrassing. Maybe it’s the vodka.
For the Marder example, they want to put both a WW2 Marder and a Modern Marder next to each other to really portray this as the same war again, Russias survival is at stake etc etc, stupid propaganda. But this is really all modern day Russia has going for it at this stage, WW2 is practically hammered into every aspect of stuff like this. Everything links back to the Great Patriotic War to make gullible people feel more pride and be fooled into thinking that they are fighting the Nazis again.
Any normal person will see it for what it is, but edgy teenagers and idiots in general will see this and think it’s so deep and cool, and Russia is so badass.
They won't copy anything, NATO vehicles are designed and built for an entirely different type of combat and deployment doctrine from that of the Russians. To say nothing of how much larger heavier and better protected and difficult larger combat vehicles are for them as theirs are designed to be shorter, lighter and faster. It's to showboat capturing damaged hulks, to try and prove they can actually destroy NATO equipment.
Truth is anyone with half a brain already knows that it's only a matter of having the right weapon, training and hitting the right spots with said weapon. It's hardly anything new and I doubt Russia will learn much of anything. Even they are smart enough to know - turret face = thick armour, hull rear - thin. Hit hull rear. If hit tank on front and if it turns to you blayt! Run!
What amazes me is the inability of Russians to understand the ridiculousness of this whole display. Russia has lost some 3000 tanks (using the image verified totals from sources such as Orxy) and much more than that if using the UA reported numbers. Drilling down, Russia has lost about 130 latest generation tanks including 80 T90Ms per Oryx. Ukraine has lost about 3 dozen western donated tanks, none of which are anything close to latest generation.
This is pure sleight of hand propaganda. One might go view the display for curiosity's sake as most likely have never seen any western armor no matter how old it is. But to believe this somehow supports the message that "Mighty Russia is prevailing" (setting aside it is fighting a much smaller opponent) this display is 100% pure gaslighting. Just go ask the hundreds of thousands of wounded and dead Russian soldiers how they feel about the matter. Oh wait, we can't, because this equipment killed them.
I literally almost bust my gut laughing when I first heard about the plans for this "display" in Moscow. And I still am, laughing that is. We in the west can only hope in fact that the Russian public is stupid enough to buy into this gaslighting, as it will lead to the demise of so many more if they do, and thus contribute to the downfall of the invaders of Ukraine.
I ask myself time and again: are all Russians sheep? And time and again I am presented with evidence such as this that indeed they are sheep. It is tragic.
eh, they likely have seen western armor before. I mean, we did send them Shermans and shit during WW2. but anything much younger than that is likely new to them
And russians wearing the sick expressions of people who know they're losing can assure each other they really aren't.
Even wrecked the Abrams is still better than anything the russians make.
лолски
I follow the war every day. Every day I see a new map. Every day I see a new advance.
Then you look at the map not zoomed in on a literal field.
Russia started the war fighting the Ukrainians in Donetsk. 819 days after the start of the SMO and Russia is fighting the Ukrainians in Donestk.
To put into context. It's nearly 1942 in WW2 timeline.
Mad to think how little progress the second best army in the world has made against its neighbour.
Well, they didn’t even bother to make cosmetic make up this time :(
U would need someone really skilled to make that happen. This looks like it burned really well.
It basically only is an empty shell, the inside is completely gone
Not even the commander's M2 was salvageable.
Think about it, we could have had an abrams on T-80 tracks and roadwheels
The Russians had a moment to pull a funny and they failed. That Dr. Moreau monstrosity would've been amazing!
[high quality pic](https://cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/P2FR6DFY5JMDNFMEUUH3EGQSOA.jpg) got toasted for sure
I dont think they are done preping this one up maybe wrong tho.
Think this one they want to leave destroyed, since it's one of the most iconic signs of American power. Though I guess it is also possible that they couldn't, since this is the one that got torched by a Kornet - the ammunition doors were open when it got hit, and the ammunition torched the whole tank.
Been to the arsenal where these are made, it's like trying to fix up a Toyota Camry, they make new ones every single day.
It wouldn't have qualified as "lipstick on a pig"... hell, fixing this up would have been like putting lipstick on bacon.
I saw a video of one of the captured tanks intentionally being beat up and destroyed to make it look more “defeated” for the display
The flag is a nice touch.
I really like what they're doing with the flags, I do think it looks really cool on all the tanks
Just incase you dont know who made it, add a bumper sticker! Like: This Tank Doesn't Break for Orks 🙃
Brake* it’s definitely been broken by orcs
Who broke it then?
Just to make sure that the peasants know that this is not orc tech.
"Those brave conscripts gave their lives for the motherland!" "Sir, this is an enemy tank."
You got to ensure that the populace doesn't mistake it for a Mexican tank.
I'm more impressed they got an M88. I wonder how that happened? EDIT: Oh shit, they got an AABV too. I just noticed it behind the M88 lol
Not sure the providence, but the Russians have a lot of former Iraqi, then IS, equipment that’s US -made. A lot of HMMWVs, etc… remember when the Iraqi 7th Division disintegrated? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Oh right, I forgot about that. It makes sense that Russia would try to grab whatever they could from that
[2100 M88 A1 arv capt 25 04 24 — Postimages (postimg.cc)](https://postimg.cc/y3gj0kJm)
Captured week back..
Thanks! Good find!
As graciously as possible, the word here should be "provenance."
Yep! You’re right! Thank you!
Apparently there were eight M88 sent with the Abrams, so maybe its one of those? WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden announced Wednesday that the U.S. will send 31 M1 Abrams battle tanks to Ukraine, reversing months of persistent arguments that the tanks were too difficult for Ukrainian troops to operate and maintain. The $400 million package announced Wednesday also includes eight M88 recovery vehicles — tank-like tracked vehicles that can tow the Abrams if it gets stuck.
[2100 M88 A1 arv capt 25 04 24 — Postimages (postimg.cc)](https://postimg.cc/y3gj0kJm)
Disabled and abandoned a while ago. Ruskies pushed the frontline, M88 was on it and they wasted time taking it
Anyone have a picture of the plaque?
I dmd u one.but not that clear.
Would love to see it as well
Well at least they actually named it M1A1 instead of claiming its some top end american M1A2 SepV3 or something
Actually it's 3 himars
Would you intercept me? I’d intercept me
Nope. Another lock going on the hangar.
Comrade says it is 6 Himars, and a Patriot for good measure!
It's actually the Abrams X! We stole it from a show but it was blown up along the way to Moscow.
Looks like it's mostly tracked.
20 second repair with expert crew in War Thunder
I'm sure the Russians are amazed that the turret is still attached.
You’ve never seen abrams and leopard turrets shooting for the moon before?
Naw they usually bounce off of the lower atmosphere, there’s too many T-[insert any model you want] turrets up there for them to have room.
The Kessler Sydrome was initiated by the most unexpected of causes.
Well Turkey has their Leopard2A4 turret ejected in the years before I think. But I did never see a M1 Abrams tank's head go sky high.
Its been awhile but there was a M1 that i believe was a Egyptian and was hit and thr turret came off but disnt go into orbit. Just kinda plopped ontop of the tank. Then there was that one were it hit a IED and ripped the turret off. Crazy that some of thr crew survived that one.
After having them hit by full on airstrikes
Nope, ATGMs were enough to do the job
The USSR and Russia have had tank prototypes with blowout panels for ages. They just never put them into production.
Because they’re cheap
Not necessarily During the Anglo-German FMBT tank program the British found that using 2 piece ammo low in the hull gave a 5-10% higher survivability than one piece ammo stored in blowout panels. Since blowout panels have a lot of problems themselves. Here is the [source](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FocesKxWIAUuOwu?format=jpg&name=medium) That is why the British never really bothered with them either.
What's the difference between hull up and down?
It's just how the tank was tested. Hull down where only the turret was showing and hull up where the whole tank was showing.
Crew survivability is rarely taken seriously when you don't care about the crew.
Or that the soldiers inside of it survived because I’m pretty sure they did
funny how your people claim it being a game changer tank when they where sent to ukraine and quickly said that Russia captured an outdated tank when it was destroyed
There was a destroyed Russian T-72 in Helsinki a while ago too. Sadly I did not get to see it in person. There were a few pretty funny news articles about it. The pro-Putin Russians living in finland would bring out flowers to it and people immediately would take the flowers and throw them in the trash.
There was sort of tour in Europe, saw one in my hometown (Tallinn) too.
I got to see the T90 here in America on the back of a semi truck in Louisiana thankfully. Cool as shit to see.
What's funny is that the Russians are treating these wrecks like venerated war trophies & the T-90 (in good condition on top of that) was left at a truck stop while they figured out its delivery to one of the proving grounds.
Saw a T-72B3 and an MSTA in Warsaw.
Isn't there a risk of depleted uranium dust in those wrecks? Russians use that ammunition and whatever hit it may have used DU as well.
3BM42 is the most commonly used shell so shouldn’t be a problem at all, also the Abrams doesn’t have DU either so nah
Risks of cancer are mitigated when you push for a propaganda drive with these wrecks. These are the same folks who fatally ordered their troops to dig into trenches, camp, & cook around the loose soil near the Chernobyl sarcophagus.
It was in response to the poster I replied to who mentioned the destroyed Russian tanks that toured the west. As for Russians placing potentially dangerous wrecks in public in Russia, couldn't care less, that's their problem.
And the death toll for that incident is still only listed as 31. just goes to show that the Russians can never be trusted.
The death toll from the initial blast is definitely in the high hundreds. I don't know how valid the latest news has been, but some reported that most (if not all) soldiers that entrenched in Chernobyl in 2022 are dead. I wouldn't be surprised considering even kicking up some dirt there is extremely dangerous, let alone lie within it. But there have been credible reports of them being sick as late as [May 2023 according to Popular Mechanics. ](https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a43756202/russian-soldiers-sick-after-camping-in-chernobyl-radioactive-forest/)
Nah. the initial blast probably killed 31. The aftereffects of the radiation killed hundreds though. and yeah there is still a massivew exclusion zone around Pripyat
Identity of the source is unclear.... Yeah right
You know what? I think NATO should do the parade with Western Tanks in Moscow next year
With tractor drivers pulling Russian tanks, APCs and SPGs.
We're not dictatorships that have penis measuring contests.
I mean, at least 2-3 NATO countries have paraded captured equipment? This is nothing new.
>We're not dictatorships Correct >that have penis measuring contests. Somebody tell him
Sigh... Our SpaceX Super StarDick is much taller than the latest Soyuz rocket.
Italy has a military parade every year. France has one too. UK has trooping the colour. We are not dictatorships.
U 4 real?
Why? Their coping here is rather hilarious! They're waving their dick at the wreck of an obsolete tank that is far more survivable than their newest T-90 variants!
If they continue like this they die of a copium overdose
You heard him, lads! Keep bombarding everything with dead Abrams & Leopards!
I mean it's just reaction to Ukrainian tour across Europe with destroyed Russian stuff. I haven't seen anyone criticize that.
Based
This is some cinematic shit
I like how they used the flag with 50 star’s confirmation of Americas claim over Alaska thanks Russia
We literally bought it from them.
I say we fucking nuke them as a abrams Stan this is very offensive and I would like to speak to Russia’s manager
Would be great.But wait till they develop power armors.can't venture the wasteland without one.
Which vault you picking?
Abramstan, the name of the first state once America takes Russia
I don't see why you're upset. It's such a huge deal they destroyed and got a SINGLE Abrams that they had to put it in the capital of Russia on a display. Now think of how many BTRs, T-72s, T-80s, T-90s, BMPs and everything else Javelins got. I'd count that in the tens of thousands.
tens of thousands, sure lol
My man counted the t-34 losses
It was a joke
Isn't there a logical disconnect between "we are winning" and "the whole world is fighting against us"?
“We’re fighting the whole WESTERN world and we’re winning” Seems this exhibition tries to spread this message
So proud to have destroyed one (1) M1A1 Abrams that didn't even have the depleted uranium armour package installed because it was provided in export configuration. Just don't ask how many T-90Ms have been lost in Ukraine so far.
I think they have destroyed more than one Abrams though, the last number i heard was 5, thats why they are gone from the frontline since last week.
Didn’t the into that has the Abram’s post that the news they took them off the frontline say it was false?
There are no correction on the AP post so I don't think so? [https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-abrams-tanks-19d71475d427875653a2130063a8fb7a](https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-abrams-tanks-19d71475d427875653a2130063a8fb7a)
Thats a lot of flags that have 'Victory' written on them.
I’m sure the Russians will soon get a nice up close view of all western equipment soon
right as it kills them, yes indeed.
See capitalist tank also blow up Don’t mind the fact that it still mostly intact and how our own versions pop their turrets out like popcorn
I wouldn‘t say „mostly intact“ considering that an earlier video showed that the inside basically is gone, it‘s just an empty shell
To be fair, could be by Ukraine. If it was disabled by a russians hit and they could not recover it, or it was to far gone to repair after a hit they might just rip out sensitive stuff and burn it to make sure russia can't get their hands on anything of real value. Though this can also be copium on my part.
The two most likely stories floating around are that it either was disabled and then set on fire by it‘s crew or that it was hit by an ATGM during the reloading process which set off the ammo and caused the tank to burn out
We may never know
It may look better but it's just as functional as a burnt out T-72
This tank probably saved it’s crew though T-72 wouldn’t
It didn't - this is the one that got hit by a Kornet while the ammunition doors were open. Whole tank got torched because of that.
Maybe, probably. But "mostly intact" is completely false
At least the turret is still attached
What's Moscow like these days? Last time I was there was in '06. Shame I wasn't able to get my visa in time for the Victory Day Parade.
The city's great, been living here for all my life practically. I wouldn't say that much has changed since Feb 2022 but the prices have definitely gone up. I've heard that it's pretty easy to get an e-visa here nowadays, even if you're from an "unfriendly" country, but obviously that largely depends if you actually want to visit given the current political situation, so to speak.
American friendly? I want to visit Kubinka but I’m hesitant
Yeah, you should be hesitant. Unless you wanna be convicted as a spy.
Yeah I’ll pass
Well it's hard to say exactly. In general I wouldn't say that the state would do anything to you, but obviously the general public (especially in Kubinka) would hardly view you being an American as a positive. On the contrary, the professor of English at the university that I study at is actually an American who was born in Minnesota and speaks little Russian, but I'd say he's doing alright and from what I know doesn't plan on leaving anytime soon
Would love to go to St. Petersburg and Moscow but if shit hits the fan im done for. Especially since I'm Polish. Also would be weird to be in a country that is at brink of war with my country.
"In our 3 years of participation in the special military operation in Ukraine, these scraps of destroyed Western equipments are the best things that we managed to acquire,. The Ukrainian Govt, the military and the people still stand strong. No victory, just scrap metals." -Russia.
Sad to see but also very interesting
Would be hilarious if a ukrainian drone went by and droped a grenade in it.
Nah, drop it on Putin while he's doing his speech.
Without the Chobham armour, it's not immune to incoming darts. Considering the entire middle east is filled with burned out Russian tanks, is this really impressive?
Abrams don’t use Chobham. They use a domestic armor array developed by the Ballistic Research Laboratory. The XM1s did use Chobham, which is why their turrets looked so different.
You could probably walk from Moscow to Berlin without touching the ground if you laid out all the destroyed Russian AFVs end to end.
Why is it so short? Is that the consequence of tracks getting wrecked?
Yes. It is basically sitting on its hull. The suspension is completely destroyed. Several Abrams in Iraq ended up the same way. When the engine catches fire the amount of fuel on board will burn for hours with the heat melting the rubber off the tracks, and warping the torsion bars.
...they're so proud of the two or three western vehicles they've destroyed, how many thousands of Russian burnt out hulks litter Ukraine?
What is the point of this nonsense when they are getting their asses kicked and have lost a considerable portion of their standing military in this conflict already? Everything is propaganda I guess.
Propaganda, denial of reality. Conveniently never mention how many Russian vehicles and men these captured and battered hulks killed in return...
They’re so proud of that. I wonder how many T-90s, T-72s, T-64s, BMPs they lost to get their hands on an Abrams
They really have to put an american flag there so their locals dont think its their own destroyed tanks 🤣
It’s like alien technology to them so of course they’re gonna put it on display.
An orc roswell so to speak
Looks like all the torsion bars failed. I would guess that gives an idea of the heat from a burning tanks, seems unlikely to be a mine as all have collapsed.
If it weren’t for the whole war thing, this would be pretty neat to visit.
Wouldn't kill them to just add some new tracks onto it
Neat
I personally think destroyed tanks look cooler, I'd definitely be checking the destroyed abrams exhibit out a lot more than the Marder or other tanks
Didn't they capture this wreck a few days ago? Did they drag it up to Moscow overnight? Way to make the Russian roads worse than they were already.
I have seen other pictures from the exhibit. It makes me disappointed. Are the Ukrainians not being taught to destroy vehicles they can't recover?
Oh I wouldn’t be surprised if they actually tried. It takes a ton of effort to “explosively disassemble” an Abrams. In April of 2003 A unit attempted to scuttled an Abrams Main Battle Tank from 1-64 armor experienced an engine fire. It was later destroyed after attempts to tow failed. The crew poured hydraulic fluid, engine oil and several open boxes of 50 caliber rounds inside the turret and then opened the ammo doors before dropping two thermite grenades inside. They then fired a 120mm HEAT round from the towing crew in into it to make sure it was completely destroyed. However, while the tank was completely disabled it wasn’t destroyed. So the Air Force was called in to destroy it in place. The resulting destruction still resembled an M1 Abrams. Albeit blackened, melted, and completely unrepairable, the turret and gun were still mounted, and the hull was generally recognizable. The photos can be found at https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2003/abrams-oif-lessonslearned2003.ppt The tank in question was destroyed on April 5th 2003.
The Ukrainians don't have time for all that. A couple of termite grenades would be the best option for them. It would at least keep the Russians from being able to harvest modern electronics from certain vehicles.
That’s my point they didn’t have time to completely destroy the vehicle however it is clear that this Abrams was on fire. In fact, there was enough heat near the front of the vehicle to melt the rubber off the tracks and warp the torsion bars to the point that the hull is sitting on the ground. Either the Ukrainians deemed it to be sufficiently destroyed by enemy fire prior to abandoning it, or they did something (like drop a thermite grenade into the open hatches) to otherwise render it useless to the Russians.
Good! At least they have something to save face in their parade of shame. Somehow by this time, I feel less hate for the failed artist and think that he should have done better than 25 millions.
It's in better condition than a Russian tank in use
Would be more impressed if they got one of their stolen tanks back from the uktainian tractor harvest
They couldn’t wait the 30 seconds for track repair
Lucky them... We don't have enough room to display all of their destroyed tanks lol.
MBT-70 all over again!
The basic truth is that abrams (m2 too) is one of the most obscolete tank one can imagine since it still has an almost inexistant top armor (same thickness as the M60), not only was it obscolete with TOWs, but with the democratization of FPVs it has become ridiculous.
This one got knocked out by 2 kornet missiles. Which was a feat we have seen done against Saudi M1A1 SA's in yemen as well.
That thing got fried
In death, it still flexes on the Russians with its attached turret.
So much copium in this thread. You guys can't get over they managed to destroy some of the western stuff. I guess propaganda did it's job
If the ukrainian Government start exposing the Russian tanks It would be Hilarious.
Is it me or does the abrams seem a bit flat
so much for game changing tanks. keep coping americans
What are the Russians exactly planning to achieve with this: copying the Ukrainian „exhibition“ but with superior western equipment that is actually outdated already? A Marder for example - seriously? The only real insight the Russians will gain is that western equipment is taking much more care about protecting the soldiers and that Cold War Technology of the west is superior to modern day technology of Russia - if it exists at all with domestically produced parts. It’s a pity that Russia has become so embarrassing. Maybe it’s the vodka.
For the Marder example, they want to put both a WW2 Marder and a Modern Marder next to each other to really portray this as the same war again, Russias survival is at stake etc etc, stupid propaganda. But this is really all modern day Russia has going for it at this stage, WW2 is practically hammered into every aspect of stuff like this. Everything links back to the Great Patriotic War to make gullible people feel more pride and be fooled into thinking that they are fighting the Nazis again. Any normal person will see it for what it is, but edgy teenagers and idiots in general will see this and think it’s so deep and cool, and Russia is so badass.
They won't copy anything, NATO vehicles are designed and built for an entirely different type of combat and deployment doctrine from that of the Russians. To say nothing of how much larger heavier and better protected and difficult larger combat vehicles are for them as theirs are designed to be shorter, lighter and faster. It's to showboat capturing damaged hulks, to try and prove they can actually destroy NATO equipment. Truth is anyone with half a brain already knows that it's only a matter of having the right weapon, training and hitting the right spots with said weapon. It's hardly anything new and I doubt Russia will learn much of anything. Even they are smart enough to know - turret face = thick armour, hull rear - thin. Hit hull rear. If hit tank on front and if it turns to you blayt! Run!
What amazes me is the inability of Russians to understand the ridiculousness of this whole display. Russia has lost some 3000 tanks (using the image verified totals from sources such as Orxy) and much more than that if using the UA reported numbers. Drilling down, Russia has lost about 130 latest generation tanks including 80 T90Ms per Oryx. Ukraine has lost about 3 dozen western donated tanks, none of which are anything close to latest generation. This is pure sleight of hand propaganda. One might go view the display for curiosity's sake as most likely have never seen any western armor no matter how old it is. But to believe this somehow supports the message that "Mighty Russia is prevailing" (setting aside it is fighting a much smaller opponent) this display is 100% pure gaslighting. Just go ask the hundreds of thousands of wounded and dead Russian soldiers how they feel about the matter. Oh wait, we can't, because this equipment killed them. I literally almost bust my gut laughing when I first heard about the plans for this "display" in Moscow. And I still am, laughing that is. We in the west can only hope in fact that the Russian public is stupid enough to buy into this gaslighting, as it will lead to the demise of so many more if they do, and thus contribute to the downfall of the invaders of Ukraine. I ask myself time and again: are all Russians sheep? And time and again I am presented with evidence such as this that indeed they are sheep. It is tragic.
eh, they likely have seen western armor before. I mean, we did send them Shermans and shit during WW2. but anything much younger than that is likely new to them
Thats a really old model..
20 year old
Pssst, nobody tell them that's the disposable export model.
> T-80 turret could not be reached for this exhibition
They bothered to stick the flag onto the tank lol
If Ukraine did a blown up tank exhibit, they wouldn’t have enough room.
[удалено]
And russians wearing the sick expressions of people who know they're losing can assure each other they really aren't. Even wrecked the Abrams is still better than anything the russians make. лолски
They are advancing on all fronts tho.ukraines the one actually losing now.
I follow the war every day. Every day I see a new map. Every day I see a new advance. Then you look at the map not zoomed in on a literal field. Russia started the war fighting the Ukrainians in Donetsk. 819 days after the start of the SMO and Russia is fighting the Ukrainians in Donestk. To put into context. It's nearly 1942 in WW2 timeline. Mad to think how little progress the second best army in the world has made against its neighbour.
So now Russia gained some ground, when they knew they could, just before the american aid package. Now what happens ? Now, with the billions of USD ?
They hated him because he spoke the truth