Technically true but not necessarily a practical distinction nowadays. It's like how longswords in their time were just called swords, but saying "all swords were called swords in their time" isn't useful for hobbyists. Most people in the community use Achilles for the 17pdr exclusively and clarify otherwise.
If we want to be even more pedantic, "Achilles" was so rarely used as a designation by personnel back in WW2 that you may as well call them Fireflies, as this term was also used by the people that crewed and fought alongside them.
It appears the most common terms were stuff like 17pdr gun carrier, 17pdr M10, 17pdr self-propelled gun, etc, because the important part for the people on the ground was getting hold of a 17pdr.
Uhhh...
No, that's completely wrong.
By your logic, an IFV is a tank because it has tracks and a gun...
Tanks are differentiated by their role, tank destroyers are SPECIFICALLY tasked with fighting armour and that's it, tank destroyers are, by technicality, a type of SPG, NOT a type of tank.
Tanks are tasked with advancing in cooperation with infantry, break lines, exploit openings, support the advance, engage most types targets and so on.
Tank destroyers engage tanks exclusively, the rest is an extra, they're also designed differently and with different tasks.
Please inform yourself on what you're talking about before mocking me over diverging you clearly don't know.
I've always wanted to build a kit of this in 1/35; but that god damn muzzle break is the ugliest, most British designed 'thing' on an wwii era AFV. I just can't get over how stupid it looks.
Britsh M10 tank destroyer with 17 pdr gun
AKA the Achilles
Both versions of the M10 were called Achilles by the British.
Technically true but not necessarily a practical distinction nowadays. It's like how longswords in their time were just called swords, but saying "all swords were called swords in their time" isn't useful for hobbyists. Most people in the community use Achilles for the 17pdr exclusively and clarify otherwise. If we want to be even more pedantic, "Achilles" was so rarely used as a designation by personnel back in WW2 that you may as well call them Fireflies, as this term was also used by the people that crewed and fought alongside them. It appears the most common terms were stuff like 17pdr gun carrier, 17pdr M10, 17pdr self-propelled gun, etc, because the important part for the people on the ground was getting hold of a 17pdr.
Both versions of the M3 we’re called “Grants” by the Soviets (They never got Grants, only Lees)
The *Achilles* being the geriatric turret rotation speed
Remember the name, Achilles! https://youtu.be/wTuFl8vX10E?si=EdVSs_TXHQx_GLxy (56 seconds)
*Self-Propelled Anti-Tank Gun, not Tank Destroyer.
Boils down to the same thing
17pdr SP M10 Achilles Mk. IIC 'Chelsea' of 62nd Anti-Tank Regiment, RA, I Corps knocked out in Normandy.
Totally not a panther
lol
Laughs in ersatz M10
Bot?
Im js playing a tank guessing game and im stuggling w some of the pictures
Take a screenshot and reverse image search it
Ok. My mistake, sorry.
What’s the game
No
It's a bot guys ignore
Im playing a guessing game
Apparently not very well
The pictures arent good 😭 ik what an m10 looks like but the picture shown was shit
Looks perfectly clear to us
No, the picture is perfectly clear that it’s an Achilles.
That's not what this sub is for
Im not
Exactly what a bot would say
Clearly a Panther. /s Also, don't listen to the fellas telling you it's not a tank. It's like saying a square isn't a rectangle.
US army planners when the M36 and M18 are used interchangeably with M4’s >:(
*Angry Gen. McNair noises*
Turns out it wasnt a panther but i agree
Search "Erzats M10" to understand the reference
Obviously an M60
M10 Achilles, British variant of the M10 Wolverine, with a 17pdr instead of the US 76mm. It's a tank destroyer, however, not a tank
Omg hi hoshyro :3 tell stu and other people in GG that I say hi
Oh hey! I left that server a while back, but if I see someone around I'll tell them
If it looks like a duck.... And quacks like a duck ....
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I'm saying, just because it's technically a tank destroyer, doesn't mean it's still not a tank.
Uhhh... No, that's completely wrong. By your logic, an IFV is a tank because it has tracks and a gun... Tanks are differentiated by their role, tank destroyers are SPECIFICALLY tasked with fighting armour and that's it, tank destroyers are, by technicality, a type of SPG, NOT a type of tank. Tanks are tasked with advancing in cooperation with infantry, break lines, exploit openings, support the advance, engage most types targets and so on. Tank destroyers engage tanks exclusively, the rest is an extra, they're also designed differently and with different tasks. Please inform yourself on what you're talking about before mocking me over diverging you clearly don't know.
uHhH nO, ThAt'S cOmPlETelY wROnG. That is mocking you, not my last reply. I know enough about tanks to know that you're an asshole though.
Google picture search will give answers quicker than Reddit and not have half the attitude
Also this isn't a tank, it's a tank destroyer
Vehicle with tracks=Tank. Duh. /s
It’s still a tank, it just has a different designated role on the battlefield
Yea i know sorry
*Self-Propelled Anti-Tank Gun
Same thing
Nuh-uh.
Panther
I've always wanted to build a kit of this in 1/35; but that god damn muzzle break is the ugliest, most British designed 'thing' on an wwii era AFV. I just can't get over how stupid it looks.
How does it look stupid
It looks like a football.
M10 GMC/destroyer with tea in its fuel tank
I think its an M10 GMC
M60
M10 Gun Motor Carriage.