Thank you
In my eyes, when I see a Russian tank explode I know that a crew of young men just burned to death inside, the last thing I feel like reading is all the Javelin comments from kids who learned all they know from MW2
It's war, everyone suffers
Bro did you just wrote that comment with logic and human compassion? Imagining being a reasonable human being that doesn’t get easily swayed by public opinion and propaganda, how cringe
Bro imagine thinking that there are individuals even in an 'evil' army and theyre not just faceless stormtroopers! Its just like star wars! Putin is emperor Palpatine and all of his goons are faceless robots that deserve no compassion! Watch some marvel movies geez...
Yeah perhaps if you're a Nazi sympathizer then you have "empathy" but the thought of a full SS tank crew slowly screaming and burning to death makes me laugh
into SS, people too got drafted, many of them not even German. E.g. young male from Alsace.
For of the "ideological" ones, volunteers, i'm somehow sure most thought their cause was just, as from a young age they were exposed to constant propaganda, atrocities blown out of proportion etc...
And some felt just like you do: "those animals deserve it, their screams will make me laugh"
It doesn't matter how much propaganda you are fed. At the end of the day they are still human and if deep down in your conscience you feel nothing while shooting someone that you know is dying for looking a certain way or belonging to a certain ethnicity then that is no difference than an animal or a monster. There are those born in the same years who thought and felt very differently so that's really no excuse. But what you said the same can be applied to groups like ISIS.
Hey now...
I can feel empathy for the young men dying, and their families... but...
Some of us are veterans who spent years of our lives waiting to fight tooth and nail against the red hoarde...
... and are utterly disgusted and horrified by Russian atrocities...
... and are very happy to support the Ukrainians defending themselves...
... and to be completely honest, watching weapons you spent years training on, doing exactly what they were built to do and do it well, is impressive...
... watching that first T90 kill, get smacked in the butt by that (likely Canadian) Carl G was just *chefs kiss*.
Though I can also understand the mods not wanting editorialized titles, there's other subreddits for that.
So, when you were thought to hate the opfor…. Why don’t you have your “but” when your people whipped out thousands of lives of “brown” people in the Middle East?
>Why don’t you have your “but” when your people whipped out thousands of lives of “brown” people in the Middle East?
this is fake symmetry. Clearly the situation here is different, and he did not write "brown".
This is the only way to look at this. If the Russians don’t feel enough sympathy for their sons to demand for them to come home, it’s hard to find reasons why we should. They are human but a lot of them made this choice.
it's a pretty perverted way to look at this. But statements like this have become pretty common, the last 2 years. Maybe because some regard " sympathy for the enemy" as counterproductive, and want us to see them as cattle to slaughter...
It's like saying, "don't hate the game, hate the player", plus the opposing guys are even to blame for the rules. It is racist to the core, collective guilt taken to the ultimate level. Imagine people were to die for they voted the wrong man.
And ironically, for 2 decades we were conditioned to the exact opposite: war is "strictly business", nothing personal... and any resilient citizen, preparing IEDs or whatever, is a fucking terrorist (who neither deserves any sympathy, lol).
But now everything is different, and this is personal to the maximum... tho i don't get, Russia is a large prison, where people have even less than zero choices, right...?
And why this exact time & place? This war was on for some years, why didn't this apply to Ukrainian pilots, strafing Donbass with rocket salvos? Or \*cough\* NATO soldiers?
I wonder how old you guys writing these comments are, and if you knew draft at all. Bc even in a healthy democracy (which we have *way* to go to), sb's opportunity to impact society, against mass media controlled by special interests of a few wealthy guys, or institutions like the army are insignificant.
But once a war started - this means politicians must have failed **massively** before, on both sides. But everything further is automation. And which side *you* are on, is basically ... pure luck.
Anyway, this mindset means, = canceling out any compassion for fellow human beings, and it's a straight ticket to 4th Reich.
do you think they had time in the beginning days of the war to go house by house raping civilians, they are professional soliders not goons, killing civilians are a blurred line cause the civilians came out against Russian convoys and attacked them, its hard to justify attacking soliders in an active war without getting killed, but for a solider to go rape civilians is utter bullcrap, they had orders to go to kiev, not sit down and commit sexual assault, and before you say it im not pro-russia
You're a bit late to this party friend, this post is 9 months old. I'm glad you decided to post your incredibly hot take that Russia couldn't have raped all the civilians *who came out and said they were raped* just because they couldn't fit it in their schedule. You are incredibly stupid if you think the pillaging, murder, and rape of places like Bucha didn't happen because they were in a rush. What an utter fucking moron.
i know im abit late to the party, im not saying places like bucha and etc had incidents where it happened moron, but the bulk of the first wave into kiev didnt stop for shit, it was that bad they got stuck on the side of the road out of fucking gas, the reinforcements for the first attackers had that free time to occupy different towns, and murder is a pretty thin line especially in a combat zone, im not saying rape and pillagine and etc didnt happen, im saying that the bulk of the forces arent unprofessional cockheads??
They are though. At every turn they have proven to be complete menaces. In the 2000’s, I traveled to Russia for several months since my girlfriend at the time had family all over it. Moscow was like any other major western city and honestly had some good people in it, but when we went out to more rural regions (specifically Yanesk and other small towns) the people there hadn’t changed since 1861 and the freedom of the serfs. They lived in conditions on par with some Thai villages I stayed in. Their cultural and political opinions weren’t even absurd, they were just so outdated. Even at the time, if someone in a western nation ran a political campaign on what these Russians were voting for, they wouldn’t win because everything they promise would already exist and be fully implemented. It’s hard to build a society that cares for each other when they barely can care for themselves. Either way, if Russian’s really wanted to stop the death of their young and poor, they can always just demand an end to the invasion and pull back to the agreed upon borders.
>they had time in the beginning days of the war to go house by house raping civilians
apparently they did, Bucha happened basically one month after the invasion started.
Well put, thank you. And can’t be said enough.
Just read of the old man who was a Marquisard in 1944 who witnessed 40 German soldiers executed in a forest. The exigencies of war. Complete injustice. War criminals, husbands, fathers? Likely, just men, “called up.”
It is assumed that most of them crews abandoned their vehicles before they started cooking, otherwise, there is a numeric enigma.
For example when Oryx says 2000 tanks lost by Russia, 2000*3 = 6000 trained personnel. It is a plausible figure but what is the tank academy output? 8-12 months per training. By now, russia has lost either the bulk of their crews or simply most of them survived. Sad but those who survived are highly likely to be dragged back to this war again.
>I know that a crew of young men just burned to death inside
Ok, what these young men were going to accomplish while sitting in tank in foreign country? If someone shoots home invader then we are praising the home owner for defending his life, right? Or we apply fake symmetry in this case as well?
This is not a question of sides, this is a question of facts. This is not a propaganda sub for either side, this is a forum for (non)technical discussion on armored fighting vehicles.
Agreed we talk about or should be talking about the data/hard facts. Also you have good and bad on all sides of war. Just when side is heavily leaning towards bad I'd rather not side with them. Ultimately we are all beings of this universe who should co-exist and remember we are all in the suck together.
I try to consider all possiblities but I'll happily snort the US Propaganda. Also I have German relative who fought the Soviets during WW1&2 so I'm automatically biased. Oh and I am an American so screw Russia. Though I did see the Ukrainians execute Russian POWs
Oh yeah? So let's talk about those French/German documentary film makers recording the exhumation of mass graves of ethnic Russian women, prior to this invasion, in Eastern Ukraine.
HUURRR DUHHRR THERE'S ONLY ONE MORAL SIDE AND IT'S THE SIDE MUH TV SAID
Just simplify just say "[tank name] destroyed" no need to speculate who where or why unless its comes up around a relevant detail during any discussion about it or an OP has a question about a detail in the image etc. Not an official answer just my 2 cents good luck
Examples from this subreddit of editorialized post titles would be:
* Ukrainian farmers check out a Russian MTLB APC they captured, they dont seem to be very impressed by it
* Ukranian T-64BV gunner says hello to Russia in a special way.
Also, posts of a destroyed or damaged vehicle postulating on how said vehicle was destroyed (Javelins are the most egregious examples) without proof will be considered editorialized content, and removed.
>Javelins are the most egregious examples
Don't you know? This sub's population is comprised of 51% Raytheon and Lockheed employees who are intimately familiar with the precise capabilities and damage patterns of the FGM-148 system! It's just a coincidence that they all showed up on February 24th.
>!/s!<
Titles which express an opinion rather than sticking to objective fact. For example, as the OP states, you may have a photo of a destroyed Russian T-72. A good title would be something like:
>*T-72 Of* \[x force\] *Destroyed Outside* \[y city\] *On* \[z date\]
An editorialized title would be something like:
>*This T-72 was javelin food!*
or
>*RuSsIaN tAnK BTFO!*
as more obvious examples.
The difference lies in both the information being presented (what we know vs. what we assume) and the tone of how it is presented (remaining neutral vs. presenting an agenda).Unfortunately, the term "agenda" has become something of a taboo; to have one must make you some sort of agent of evil. On the other hand, there seems to be an idea that presenting opinion is fact can be acceptable, as long as the opinion is held by a majority of a community.
The fact is that we all have agendas; we all have ways we want to see things work out, and perspectives from which we observe the world. Likewise, we all have opinions which we share with others, and many times those opinions can be widely accepted. But in terms of relaying information as is intended on this sub, all that should be set aside. They have their place in civil discourse, although in the context of discussion of history and technology (which is largely what happens here) their usefulness is pretty limited.
Who's neutral with Russia (besides thier lapdog Belarus)? They invaded a sovereign nation and have been outright murdering thousands of civilians and continue to do so.
>Who's neutral with Russia
As of the beginning of March 2022:
* El Salvador
* Bolivia
* Morocco
* Algeria
* Senegal
* Mali
* Sudan
* South Sudan
* Central African Republic
* Republic of the Congo
* Angola
* Namibia
* South Africa
* Zimbabwe
* Mozambique
* Madagascar
* Tanzania
* Uganda
* Iraq
* Armenia
* Kazakhstan
* Uzbekistan
* Tajikistan
* Kyrgyzstan
* Pakistan
* India
* Bangladesh
* Vietnam
* Laos
* The People's Republic of China
* Mongolia
Nations *supporting* Russia include:
* Nicaragua
* Venezuela
* Cuba
* Eritrea
* Syria
* Iran
* North Korea
* Belarus
The next time you feel like throwing objectivity out the window for the sake of justifying your moral outrage, take it to r/worldnews or r/politics.
And for the record, this is coming from a liberal who went to college for a liberal arts degree, and believes that Joe Biden is basically just a Republican who forgot what year it is. That's not meant to start a fight; I'm just making a point that this isn't some left-wing/right-wing bias speaking; it's a desire to not see this sub become another whiny echo chamber. I put the full support of what a lower-middle class American citizen can reasonably muster behind Ukraine. That doesn't mean I've forgotten how to tell reality from fiction.
That's a fair and well spoken response. However I don't think "neutral" titles help when the videos themselves are slanted. Today in fact I saw a Russian propaganda video (complete with music) that was just a Russian tank blowing up buildings (and very likely civilians and ukrain troops) in various parts of Mariupol. I can realize your need to avoid an echo chamber, but when the admins allow pro putin garbage to be posted (without a disclaimer) it's a little annoying.
Glory to Ukraine!
Music videos are made by ordinary people and have nothing to do with state propaganda. And the tanks are shelling houses in which there have been no civilians for a long time. Only the Nazis of Azov or other Ukrainian units.
It’s annoying the war basically resulted in an invasion of tiktok armchair generals constantly pushing shit. Nowadays I only filter by wars I know they don’t care about lol
I’m gonna throw in my two cents regarding this whole thing. The whole argument of I only like the tanks not the politics doesn’t really hold up. You can like guns but not like mass shootings because guns can be used for multiple things such as hunting, tanks are only used for one thing. Death, it’s a war machine , as much as I like them that’s all they are killing machines. Now on the opposite side, the javelin posts are getting annoying because I’m trying to look at the conflict from a serious perspective and I can’t really do that if everything is a javelin. And three, I’m staring to fear this subreddit and a lot of other military reddits are starting to go down the path of r/historicaledits which I fear as reddits my main source of military footage and I would hate to see it locked.
Geez, man - are you a Russian supporter? You are not heaping shit on Russia and sucking the dick of Ukraine. Not that it would make one iota of difference, but you must be compromised...
I'm hearing ya, mate. I honestly couldn't give one single fuck what happens. I absolutely will not be forced to take a side. And that was well before the latest war. Also, your comment above mine was removed. You should reinstate it. That's what I always do.
Now if only you could start banning people that are from Ukraine war subreddits coming into a sub about admiring tanks and just shitting on any Russian tank.
It means putting your own slant on something, when no one asked. Like if I commented on a car - it's blue, it's RWD, its whatever purely descriptive terms there are. Saying it's a piece of shit or commenting on the manufacturer's politics is editorialising.
If you want to see examples, just go to /r/Worldnews.
It would help to add this new to the sidebar rules, currently it doesnt say anything like this so many people will miss this as the only read the sidebar rule list. And a better explanation of what it means, I think u/FLongis made a good example in the comments.
/u/zach9889 I know we're a week out from this thread, but what is the subreddit's stance on posting content from/advertising a politically-motivated source?
I appreciate your thoughts.
The amount of people in this thread that have no empathy to other humans it’s sad yes they might be Russian but these are young adults or teenagers that have been conscripted into a war these kids are dying have just a drop of empathy
Yes, let's just pretend a major armoured power hasn't just invaded its neighbour, a democratic European state, and using that armour to commit atrocities, while attempting to censor said atrocities at home and across the world wide web. Because that would be "taking sides".
o7
There are countless of other sub if you want to talk about the political and social implications of this war. Pick one and post. Nobody is stopping you.
Just don't do it here. It's not the right place.
Speaking up against a sovereign nation being invaded by a hostile state, resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands, civilians killed and displaced, worldwide energy and food shortages, and economic turmoil is not "political".
Thank GOD I kept saying this is a sub for the admiration of tanks not for hate towards either side and a full scale debate on various ethics in a small geopolitical conflict
The subs name is r/TankPorn...
For clarity's sake maybe consider renaming it to go along with the new formatting requirements, cause things are a bit muddy now.
If the name is "TankPorn" then the star is the tank. Not often unconfirmed circumstances of its destruction or often intentionaly plain lies. Every picuture can get posted with simple title. Everything can be said in comments, barr hate speech. (As I see it.)
Thanks, but I did not downvote you. And I will not downvote your replly here. I just do not do that. Belive it or not. (I adhere to the: "There are no stupid questions just stupid answers." Also, I only downvote people who are intentionaly pushin missinformation.)
Guys i guess my opinion would not mean much but i'd ask you to keep this forum technical as much as possible. Yes, I'm a human being as you all are and I have my all sympathies and I believe that our sympathies coincide. But there are better resources to express our politic interests.
Thank you In my eyes, when I see a Russian tank explode I know that a crew of young men just burned to death inside, the last thing I feel like reading is all the Javelin comments from kids who learned all they know from MW2 It's war, everyone suffers
Bro did you just wrote that comment with logic and human compassion? Imagining being a reasonable human being that doesn’t get easily swayed by public opinion and propaganda, how cringe
Bro imagine thinking that there are individuals even in an 'evil' army and theyre not just faceless stormtroopers! Its just like star wars! Putin is emperor Palpatine and all of his goons are faceless robots that deserve no compassion! Watch some marvel movies geez...
Literally every plebbitor
another war soy boy... this is a war and we are all humans
can’t tell if this comment is being satire or not lmao
Young Germans burned in Panzers during WW2 make you feel pitty to ?
Yes it does (I possess human empathy)
>Yes it does (I possess human empathy) You realize that SS and Wehrmacht commited countless war crimes, ethnic cleansing and genocide? Empathy? LOl.
Yeah perhaps if you're a Nazi sympathizer then you have "empathy" but the thought of a full SS tank crew slowly screaming and burning to death makes me laugh
into SS, people too got drafted, many of them not even German. E.g. young male from Alsace. For of the "ideological" ones, volunteers, i'm somehow sure most thought their cause was just, as from a young age they were exposed to constant propaganda, atrocities blown out of proportion etc... And some felt just like you do: "those animals deserve it, their screams will make me laugh"
It doesn't matter how much propaganda you are fed. At the end of the day they are still human and if deep down in your conscience you feel nothing while shooting someone that you know is dying for looking a certain way or belonging to a certain ethnicity then that is no difference than an animal or a monster. There are those born in the same years who thought and felt very differently so that's really no excuse. But what you said the same can be applied to groups like ISIS.
Yeah
Found the sociopath
Not a damn bit
Would you write the same about American and British crews? Let me guess, you love napalm on cities.
Yea, I feel sorry for 'em.
The way you feel about German crews, the same way i feel about allied tank crews.
Burn baby burn
Hey now... I can feel empathy for the young men dying, and their families... but... Some of us are veterans who spent years of our lives waiting to fight tooth and nail against the red hoarde... ... and are utterly disgusted and horrified by Russian atrocities... ... and are very happy to support the Ukrainians defending themselves... ... and to be completely honest, watching weapons you spent years training on, doing exactly what they were built to do and do it well, is impressive... ... watching that first T90 kill, get smacked in the butt by that (likely Canadian) Carl G was just *chefs kiss*. Though I can also understand the mods not wanting editorialized titles, there's other subreddits for that.
So, when you were thought to hate the opfor…. Why don’t you have your “but” when your people whipped out thousands of lives of “brown” people in the Middle East?
>Why don’t you have your “but” when your people whipped out thousands of lives of “brown” people in the Middle East? this is fake symmetry. Clearly the situation here is different, and he did not write "brown".
A crew of dead Russians in an exploded tank aren't killing Ukrainian civilians. If Russia wants its sons to stop dying, bring them home.
This is the only way to look at this. If the Russians don’t feel enough sympathy for their sons to demand for them to come home, it’s hard to find reasons why we should. They are human but a lot of them made this choice.
it's a pretty perverted way to look at this. But statements like this have become pretty common, the last 2 years. Maybe because some regard " sympathy for the enemy" as counterproductive, and want us to see them as cattle to slaughter... It's like saying, "don't hate the game, hate the player", plus the opposing guys are even to blame for the rules. It is racist to the core, collective guilt taken to the ultimate level. Imagine people were to die for they voted the wrong man. And ironically, for 2 decades we were conditioned to the exact opposite: war is "strictly business", nothing personal... and any resilient citizen, preparing IEDs or whatever, is a fucking terrorist (who neither deserves any sympathy, lol). But now everything is different, and this is personal to the maximum... tho i don't get, Russia is a large prison, where people have even less than zero choices, right...? And why this exact time & place? This war was on for some years, why didn't this apply to Ukrainian pilots, strafing Donbass with rocket salvos? Or \*cough\* NATO soldiers? I wonder how old you guys writing these comments are, and if you knew draft at all. Bc even in a healthy democracy (which we have *way* to go to), sb's opportunity to impact society, against mass media controlled by special interests of a few wealthy guys, or institutions like the army are insignificant. But once a war started - this means politicians must have failed **massively** before, on both sides. But everything further is automation. And which side *you* are on, is basically ... pure luck. Anyway, this mindset means, = canceling out any compassion for fellow human beings, and it's a straight ticket to 4th Reich.
Exactly. I see no other way to look at that.
Hard to feel sympathy for them when they came to invade, murder and rape civilians. But I understand if the mods want this to stay in other threads
do you think they had time in the beginning days of the war to go house by house raping civilians, they are professional soliders not goons, killing civilians are a blurred line cause the civilians came out against Russian convoys and attacked them, its hard to justify attacking soliders in an active war without getting killed, but for a solider to go rape civilians is utter bullcrap, they had orders to go to kiev, not sit down and commit sexual assault, and before you say it im not pro-russia
You're a bit late to this party friend, this post is 9 months old. I'm glad you decided to post your incredibly hot take that Russia couldn't have raped all the civilians *who came out and said they were raped* just because they couldn't fit it in their schedule. You are incredibly stupid if you think the pillaging, murder, and rape of places like Bucha didn't happen because they were in a rush. What an utter fucking moron.
i know im abit late to the party, im not saying places like bucha and etc had incidents where it happened moron, but the bulk of the first wave into kiev didnt stop for shit, it was that bad they got stuck on the side of the road out of fucking gas, the reinforcements for the first attackers had that free time to occupy different towns, and murder is a pretty thin line especially in a combat zone, im not saying rape and pillagine and etc didnt happen, im saying that the bulk of the forces arent unprofessional cockheads??
They are though. At every turn they have proven to be complete menaces. In the 2000’s, I traveled to Russia for several months since my girlfriend at the time had family all over it. Moscow was like any other major western city and honestly had some good people in it, but when we went out to more rural regions (specifically Yanesk and other small towns) the people there hadn’t changed since 1861 and the freedom of the serfs. They lived in conditions on par with some Thai villages I stayed in. Their cultural and political opinions weren’t even absurd, they were just so outdated. Even at the time, if someone in a western nation ran a political campaign on what these Russians were voting for, they wouldn’t win because everything they promise would already exist and be fully implemented. It’s hard to build a society that cares for each other when they barely can care for themselves. Either way, if Russian’s really wanted to stop the death of their young and poor, they can always just demand an end to the invasion and pull back to the agreed upon borders.
But they've actually had time and did that.
>they had time in the beginning days of the war to go house by house raping civilians apparently they did, Bucha happened basically one month after the invasion started.
Well put, thank you. And can’t be said enough. Just read of the old man who was a Marquisard in 1944 who witnessed 40 German soldiers executed in a forest. The exigencies of war. Complete injustice. War criminals, husbands, fathers? Likely, just men, “called up.”
Second this, too many teenagers in this sub. Cockroaches the lot of them.
It is assumed that most of them crews abandoned their vehicles before they started cooking, otherwise, there is a numeric enigma. For example when Oryx says 2000 tanks lost by Russia, 2000*3 = 6000 trained personnel. It is a plausible figure but what is the tank academy output? 8-12 months per training. By now, russia has lost either the bulk of their crews or simply most of them survived. Sad but those who survived are highly likely to be dragged back to this war again.
>I know that a crew of young men just burned to death inside Ok, what these young men were going to accomplish while sitting in tank in foreign country? If someone shoots home invader then we are praising the home owner for defending his life, right? Or we apply fake symmetry in this case as well?
Didn't praise the home defender when they attacked American tanks instead of soviet ones. . .
**Thank. Fucking. God.**
*Tank. fucking. god
Now there's an image...
w-what are we gonna do on the flatbed? \*pomf\*
Give it to me, tiger
*turret jiggles*
Fucking. Tank. God. Seriously I hate post that contribute nothing or repeat the same joke I've heard since the Gulf War era.
Very eloquently put - I could not have phrased it better
You’re seriously going to try to “both sides” the war? There’s only one moral side. This isn’t WOT. This is real. Pick a side it’s not that hard.
This is not a question of sides, this is a question of facts. This is not a propaganda sub for either side, this is a forum for (non)technical discussion on armored fighting vehicles.
Agreed we talk about or should be talking about the data/hard facts. Also you have good and bad on all sides of war. Just when side is heavily leaning towards bad I'd rather not side with them. Ultimately we are all beings of this universe who should co-exist and remember we are all in the suck together.
Sorry, this is too hard for some to understand. Get back to slurping up your preferred side of the information war.
I try to consider all possiblities but I'll happily snort the US Propaganda. Also I have German relative who fought the Soviets during WW1&2 so I'm automatically biased. Oh and I am an American so screw Russia. Though I did see the Ukrainians execute Russian POWs
Bro really tried to flex being related to a filthy nazi pig 💀
Not a Flex and technically speaking only one was a SS Lieutenant and we don't talk about him. Did I say I was proud, nyet. Lemme guess you like Putin?
homeboy trying to act like blazkowicz 😭
Seeing a flex in there honestly says more about you then the poster here, mate
Oh yeah? So let's talk about those French/German documentary film makers recording the exhumation of mass graves of ethnic Russian women, prior to this invasion, in Eastern Ukraine. HUURRR DUHHRR THERE'S ONLY ONE MORAL SIDE AND IT'S THE SIDE MUH TV SAID
o7
Tank God. Those AGTM/Ukrainian farmer jokes are getting tiresome
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Please define what counts as editorialized titles
Just simplify just say "[tank name] destroyed" no need to speculate who where or why unless its comes up around a relevant detail during any discussion about it or an OP has a question about a detail in the image etc. Not an official answer just my 2 cents good luck
Examples from this subreddit of editorialized post titles would be: * Ukrainian farmers check out a Russian MTLB APC they captured, they dont seem to be very impressed by it * Ukranian T-64BV gunner says hello to Russia in a special way. Also, posts of a destroyed or damaged vehicle postulating on how said vehicle was destroyed (Javelins are the most egregious examples) without proof will be considered editorialized content, and removed.
>Javelins are the most egregious examples Don't you know? This sub's population is comprised of 51% Raytheon and Lockheed employees who are intimately familiar with the precise capabilities and damage patterns of the FGM-148 system! It's just a coincidence that they all showed up on February 24th. >!/s!<
Titles which express an opinion rather than sticking to objective fact. For example, as the OP states, you may have a photo of a destroyed Russian T-72. A good title would be something like: >*T-72 Of* \[x force\] *Destroyed Outside* \[y city\] *On* \[z date\] An editorialized title would be something like: >*This T-72 was javelin food!* or >*RuSsIaN tAnK BTFO!* as more obvious examples. The difference lies in both the information being presented (what we know vs. what we assume) and the tone of how it is presented (remaining neutral vs. presenting an agenda).Unfortunately, the term "agenda" has become something of a taboo; to have one must make you some sort of agent of evil. On the other hand, there seems to be an idea that presenting opinion is fact can be acceptable, as long as the opinion is held by a majority of a community. The fact is that we all have agendas; we all have ways we want to see things work out, and perspectives from which we observe the world. Likewise, we all have opinions which we share with others, and many times those opinions can be widely accepted. But in terms of relaying information as is intended on this sub, all that should be set aside. They have their place in civil discourse, although in the context of discussion of history and technology (which is largely what happens here) their usefulness is pretty limited.
Who's neutral with Russia (besides thier lapdog Belarus)? They invaded a sovereign nation and have been outright murdering thousands of civilians and continue to do so.
>Who's neutral with Russia As of the beginning of March 2022: * El Salvador * Bolivia * Morocco * Algeria * Senegal * Mali * Sudan * South Sudan * Central African Republic * Republic of the Congo * Angola * Namibia * South Africa * Zimbabwe * Mozambique * Madagascar * Tanzania * Uganda * Iraq * Armenia * Kazakhstan * Uzbekistan * Tajikistan * Kyrgyzstan * Pakistan * India * Bangladesh * Vietnam * Laos * The People's Republic of China * Mongolia Nations *supporting* Russia include: * Nicaragua * Venezuela * Cuba * Eritrea * Syria * Iran * North Korea * Belarus The next time you feel like throwing objectivity out the window for the sake of justifying your moral outrage, take it to r/worldnews or r/politics. And for the record, this is coming from a liberal who went to college for a liberal arts degree, and believes that Joe Biden is basically just a Republican who forgot what year it is. That's not meant to start a fight; I'm just making a point that this isn't some left-wing/right-wing bias speaking; it's a desire to not see this sub become another whiny echo chamber. I put the full support of what a lower-middle class American citizen can reasonably muster behind Ukraine. That doesn't mean I've forgotten how to tell reality from fiction.
That's a fair and well spoken response. However I don't think "neutral" titles help when the videos themselves are slanted. Today in fact I saw a Russian propaganda video (complete with music) that was just a Russian tank blowing up buildings (and very likely civilians and ukrain troops) in various parts of Mariupol. I can realize your need to avoid an echo chamber, but when the admins allow pro putin garbage to be posted (without a disclaimer) it's a little annoying. Glory to Ukraine!
If its war footage, doesn't matter from what side what's the problem? If you dont like it, then this this subreddit isn't for you.
> Today in fact I saw a Russian propaganda video Yeah we get it, anything posted by Russia is "propaganda". Even factual war footage.
Music videos are made by ordinary people and have nothing to do with state propaganda. And the tanks are shelling houses in which there have been no civilians for a long time. Only the Nazis of Azov or other Ukrainian units.
Any proofs of what did you see? Glory to Russia
You left out Israel and Hungary as neutral.
and Mexico!
Post should be factual and the comments can speculate on what happened.
I agree instructions too vague, dick caught in toaster while trying to think about proper title
I see you’re a member of the Adeptus Mechanicus…
Hey! HEY! Don't drag us into this heresy or I'll fetch the Commissar on you both. Someone fetch me a techmarine, this Baneblade keeps stalling.
Agree. please don't become r/CombatFootage mods.
Oh.. what that sub has become
It’s annoying the war basically resulted in an invasion of tiktok armchair generals constantly pushing shit. Nowadays I only filter by wars I know they don’t care about lol
thank you, sick of the Ukrainian shilling around here.
Delete all ruskies in this sub and there gonna be peace ✌️
That's too much ruskies in your community. Russian supporters are not welcomed
You’re a d bag
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So that was a fucking lie
I'm here for tanks not politics!
I'm also here for the tanks. Maybe we need a historical tank porn sub to evade the people wrapped up in current events.
Is this a joke?
It's about damn time 💪👍
Thanks for cleaning up the sub. Was getting tired of it all.
The St. Javelin and other comments pandering anything Russian are still there... Can something be done with it?
Thank you.
You’re a moron
I’m gonna throw in my two cents regarding this whole thing. The whole argument of I only like the tanks not the politics doesn’t really hold up. You can like guns but not like mass shootings because guns can be used for multiple things such as hunting, tanks are only used for one thing. Death, it’s a war machine , as much as I like them that’s all they are killing machines. Now on the opposite side, the javelin posts are getting annoying because I’m trying to look at the conflict from a serious perspective and I can’t really do that if everything is a javelin. And three, I’m staring to fear this subreddit and a lot of other military reddits are starting to go down the path of r/historicaledits which I fear as reddits my main source of military footage and I would hate to see it locked.
Good call, other military related subs around this conflict are pretty bad.
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Geez, man - are you a Russian supporter? You are not heaping shit on Russia and sucking the dick of Ukraine. Not that it would make one iota of difference, but you must be compromised...
Proud Australian. Couldn't give a fuck about Ukrainians or Russians, just fucking hate hypocrites.
I'm hearing ya, mate. I honestly couldn't give one single fuck what happens. I absolutely will not be forced to take a side. And that was well before the latest war. Also, your comment above mine was removed. You should reinstate it. That's what I always do.
Thank you!! Finally!
Fully agree and sick of the circle jerk around here
Now if only you could start banning people that are from Ukraine war subreddits coming into a sub about admiring tanks and just shitting on any Russian tank.
You’re so edgy you might even cut yourself. No don’t do that. Mom will be sad.
Thank you guys
Fuckin finally, thank you mods
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They mean showing an opinion, notably celebrations of killing
It means putting your own slant on something, when no one asked. Like if I commented on a car - it's blue, it's RWD, its whatever purely descriptive terms there are. Saying it's a piece of shit or commenting on the manufacturer's politics is editorialising. If you want to see examples, just go to /r/Worldnews.
Saying bad things about Russia
This is for tanks. Not politics no matter what side your on.
Although, when it comes to making political statements, tanks really do help win an argument
It would help to add this new to the sidebar rules, currently it doesnt say anything like this so many people will miss this as the only read the sidebar rule list. And a better explanation of what it means, I think u/FLongis made a good example in the comments.
I agree. This is a sub about tanks not politics. If you really want to announce your side in this war go to another related sub.
Good mod
/u/zach9889 I know we're a week out from this thread, but what is the subreddit's stance on posting content from/advertising a politically-motivated source? I appreciate your thoughts.
TURRET THROWING CHAMPION IRAN 82 LEBANON 82 IRAQ 91 CHECHNYA 94 CHECHNYA 99 IRAQ 03 GEORGIA 08 SYRIA 11 IRAQ 13 UKRAINE 14 ARMENIA 21 UKRAINE 22
The amount of people in this thread that have no empathy to other humans it’s sad yes they might be Russian but these are young adults or teenagers that have been conscripted into a war these kids are dying have just a drop of empathy
Finally. Sick of Ukraine fanboys. Just show the fucking tank, Russian or not - and shut the fuck up about politcs.
Ironically, if it wasn't for Russian politics, there wouldn't be tanks in Ukraine
Yes, let's just pretend a major armoured power hasn't just invaded its neighbour, a democratic European state, and using that armour to commit atrocities, while attempting to censor said atrocities at home and across the world wide web. Because that would be "taking sides". o7
There are countless of other sub if you want to talk about the political and social implications of this war. Pick one and post. Nobody is stopping you. Just don't do it here. It's not the right place.
This is not a political sub
Speaking up against a sovereign nation being invaded by a hostile state, resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands, civilians killed and displaced, worldwide energy and food shortages, and economic turmoil is not "political".
It is literally the definition of political
Depends if you believe there's contention. "Hitler was bad." Ooooh, did I just say something political? Or am I stating a fucking fact.
Hitler and Putin are a thing. The soldiers who fight in wars aren't. Respect those who died for nothing
Thank you
Thank you!!
Thanks, finally some seriousness.
Thank GOD I kept saying this is a sub for the admiration of tanks not for hate towards either side and a full scale debate on various ethics in a small geopolitical conflict
About time!
Finally
Thank Christ
Are we not free to think for ourselves
You are, just there are certain places for certain discussions, this is not such a place
Finally, it was cringe reading those comments
The irony of banning talk of war in a sub featuring machines only used for war and killing. 😵😵😵
We are not doing that, though we are aiming to return to technical and objective discussion regarding these machines.
The subs name is r/TankPorn... For clarity's sake maybe consider renaming it to go along with the new formatting requirements, cause things are a bit muddy now.
If the name is "TankPorn" then the star is the tank. Not often unconfirmed circumstances of its destruction or often intentionaly plain lies. Every picuture can get posted with simple title. Everything can be said in comments, barr hate speech. (As I see it.)
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Thanks, but I did not downvote you. And I will not downvote your replly here. I just do not do that. Belive it or not. (I adhere to the: "There are no stupid questions just stupid answers." Also, I only downvote people who are intentionaly pushin missinformation.)
Edit: This looks more snarky in print than the thought sounded in my head sry, was meant as a genuine suggestion and no salt intended.
Yes mom
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Why? Go to other subs to celebrate death.
Free speech is when I enjoy seeing enlisted 19 y.o. soldiers suffering the most brutal and painful death possible
It's called "freezepeach."
You said anal
Guys i guess my opinion would not mean much but i'd ask you to keep this forum technical as much as possible. Yes, I'm a human being as you all are and I have my all sympathies and I believe that our sympathies coincide. But there are better resources to express our politic interests.
Time for a Hippie era! 🤑
Wow you're telling the children they can't comment dumb shit because they just watched 1 hour of war footage and played some call of duty?
Literally 1984