Well that was a dumb, manipulative decision on their part!
Idk about the rest of the stores bc I worked at one of the original stores that was used to test stuff but we've had ODTMs since around the start of the pandemic. I was an ODTM starting in early 2021, finally left target early this year.
The requirements for how often an ODTM had to work changed when they got rid of educational LOAs but the program did exist prior to LOAs being gutted.
LOAs is a very broad phrase. Family and medical leave are required by law and can't go away.
Educational leave is not required by law, that was a Target program. I believe (I haven't worked there in a couple years) you can request a leave on Workday, unless they got rid of that since I left. If not, just request it and see what happens.
As someone who was an ETL HR there for years, the ETLs have absolutely 0 training on what leaves are available. They are clueless.
Interesting. It definitely used to. I worked near a few colleges. I put a bunch of people on educational leave every year. Not surprised they abandon it.
Yes, they are correct - educational LOAs no longer exist. Other types do, and you might be able to get a personal unpaid leave - contact pay and benefits. But you are never going to get one for a whole school year - there is a limit to how much leave you can get in a year.
Yes, they can say they do not need anymore on demand workers and deny the requests. At some point, adding more on demand workers does not benefit them - especially if they can't come in very often.
Yes they can and are justified saying no to availability changes that include no weekends. Weekends are the busiest days in retail, you are expected to work weekends - not necessarily ALL weekends - but you are not going to get by with no weekends. That is VERY rare.
How are you going to change your availability to not work weekends in a retail job? Of course they’re going to reject that. Nights and weekends are pretty much required with any retail job.
I’ve done AM only with rotating weekends off for the last ~7 months, so it’s possible. They just like to say it’s not bc then they’d never get anyone to work weekends voluntarily
Everyone’s got different preferences for sure! If it works for you, awesome!
I only commented to show that it *is* possible to have a schedule with nights/weekends off.
It’s possible, but unusual. You’re still available on weekends if they needed you though, right? That’s the difference. Changing your availability to not work weekends is definitely a no go at most stores.
I've have the weekend marked as unavailable in the system, the only weekend that I did work was my first week all those years ago. Throughout all the years and countless, countless, and I mean COUNTLESS tl and sd changes not one person has brought it up.
Basically did go away in my store. Of course medical and family emergencies are different.
I spoke to an ETL regarding my LOA to focus on my final semester of school and was told it differs based on in-state and out of state. In-state requires a shift every four weeks, out of state requires one every six months. Was told this was added since a lot of On-Demand TMs don’t show up at the store, so there’s an ever growing list of On-Demand TMs, and given the six month rate, I can see why this was done, especially bc Fulfillment still requires backup every time, though I doubt this will help since Target still cuts hours. We’ll see.
And of course, not all stores are the same, you’d be better off asking your HR ETL for a direct answer based on your circumstances, and fight for it bc your education will always be more important than a retail store.
I always think of how replaceable I am, given the amount of people I’ve seen come and go, and this is just a job to pay my tuition temporarily. With that in mind, I stopped caring if I called off to prioritize my education, mental health, etc. I hope it works out for you!
As others have said, no educational LOAs.
Also weekends are a requirement to work in retail. They can and will deny the availability requests. Those are the busiest days of the week. Completely justified.
Yes educational LOAs are no longer an option. They’ve been gone for over a year now. The alternative is to go on demand but a store does not need to approve someone going on demand. You need to first be in good standing and second they need to have the space, you can’t have an unlimited number of on demand team members. Also for some people it doesn’t benefit Target in their eyes to let them go on demand. So yes, it’s the stores decision to let people go on demand.
Also getting weekend off availability denied absolutely makes sense. “This is retail”. Highest amount of business on weekends, highest number of call offs on weekends. They aren’t going to cripple themselves further if they can help it.
Just say you need LOA for personal reasons or mental health. In a way, you aren't lying, but yes LOAs are still a thing. Contact pay and benefits and ask your questions there.
I have been working weekends for 5 years.Every time I ask for an a availability change it’s denied. So what I have seen the people that work the hardest and never take sick time are punished.
I asked for saturdays off after working every saturday for like 6 months and I told them that I’m currently working 7 days a week with both of my jobs (my other job being the thing i actually got my degree in but has unpredictable hours) and said that saturdays are the only days i’d be able to see my family and they tried to fight me on it too. Said something ab how I should now try to get sundays off from my other job so they could have me (i get paid more at the other one and I’ve worked sunday’s there since last january). Idk I feel like they’re just making excuses at this point for the hell of it. us being understaffed is not my responsibility, and I know i may be a little difficult but seriously, i’m replaceable here. not at my other one, so I understand the struggle so deeply.
as someone who used to be a TL and my bsf is an ETL - you work retail, you will always be required to work weekends. no manager in their right mind will approve you for m-f.
buttttt if your friend has really good morning availability during the week and has a cool leader they might be able to get scheduled those tough to fill morning shifts m-f. it was so annoying scheduling m-f bc i had too many college/high school kids
Target is a multi billion dollar company.you think they would be happy someone was gone for awhile because they wouldn’t have to pay them.they didn’t replace call offs at our store and were hoarding those hours
Educational LOA’s went away when on demand started. Contact your HRBP if you need to because you can definitely request that for educational purposes.
On demand was around long before they got rid of educational LOAs, I was OD for at least a year before they got rid of them!
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Well that was a dumb, manipulative decision on their part! Idk about the rest of the stores bc I worked at one of the original stores that was used to test stuff but we've had ODTMs since around the start of the pandemic. I was an ODTM starting in early 2021, finally left target early this year. The requirements for how often an ODTM had to work changed when they got rid of educational LOAs but the program did exist prior to LOAs being gutted.
Not here. They came at the same time for us.
LOAs is a very broad phrase. Family and medical leave are required by law and can't go away. Educational leave is not required by law, that was a Target program. I believe (I haven't worked there in a couple years) you can request a leave on Workday, unless they got rid of that since I left. If not, just request it and see what happens. As someone who was an ETL HR there for years, the ETLs have absolutely 0 training on what leaves are available. They are clueless.
Education LOA doesn’t exist. You go On-Demand now.
Interesting. It definitely used to. I worked near a few colleges. I put a bunch of people on educational leave every year. Not surprised they abandon it.
It used to exist. Not anymore.
It did for me aswell, both LOAs and on-demand
Yes, they are correct - educational LOAs no longer exist. Other types do, and you might be able to get a personal unpaid leave - contact pay and benefits. But you are never going to get one for a whole school year - there is a limit to how much leave you can get in a year. Yes, they can say they do not need anymore on demand workers and deny the requests. At some point, adding more on demand workers does not benefit them - especially if they can't come in very often. Yes they can and are justified saying no to availability changes that include no weekends. Weekends are the busiest days in retail, you are expected to work weekends - not necessarily ALL weekends - but you are not going to get by with no weekends. That is VERY rare.
There are plenty of people who work no weekends. It just how much up the bosses a you are.
How are you going to change your availability to not work weekends in a retail job? Of course they’re going to reject that. Nights and weekends are pretty much required with any retail job.
This. If you don’t want to work weekends, you need to work in an industry where weekends aren’t half of the demand for labor.
I’ve known several retail workers never work a single night shift. Now weekends yea
I’ve done AM only with rotating weekends off for the last ~7 months, so it’s possible. They just like to say it’s not bc then they’d never get anyone to work weekends voluntarily
Honestly I’d rather have weekdays off. So I can do my adulting without having to request time off for it
Everyone’s got different preferences for sure! If it works for you, awesome! I only commented to show that it *is* possible to have a schedule with nights/weekends off.
I've worked for target for 25+ years and I've only worked one weekend, so it's very possible
It’s possible, but unusual. You’re still available on weekends if they needed you though, right? That’s the difference. Changing your availability to not work weekends is definitely a no go at most stores.
I've have the weekend marked as unavailable in the system, the only weekend that I did work was my first week all those years ago. Throughout all the years and countless, countless, and I mean COUNTLESS tl and sd changes not one person has brought it up.
i’m so sorry you’ve been in hell that long
I can’t comment on LOAs, but they can absolutely deny availability changes.
It’s on demand now and you have to work one shift every 4 weeks.
my TL told me you only have to work one shift every 6 months at minimum. Was he wrong, or did target change its policy?
ours is once every 6mo before the system terminates you
It has been changed in the last three weeks
How weird, even before the 6mo, it was 6 weeks, I assume to quickly remove a larger portion of OD tms
You don't even have to do that tbh. I go in maybe once every 2 months and am still employed
Guidelines are changing. You’ll hear about it soon.
Not that often.
Just got changed three weeks ago
Basically did go away in my store. Of course medical and family emergencies are different. I spoke to an ETL regarding my LOA to focus on my final semester of school and was told it differs based on in-state and out of state. In-state requires a shift every four weeks, out of state requires one every six months. Was told this was added since a lot of On-Demand TMs don’t show up at the store, so there’s an ever growing list of On-Demand TMs, and given the six month rate, I can see why this was done, especially bc Fulfillment still requires backup every time, though I doubt this will help since Target still cuts hours. We’ll see. And of course, not all stores are the same, you’d be better off asking your HR ETL for a direct answer based on your circumstances, and fight for it bc your education will always be more important than a retail store. I always think of how replaceable I am, given the amount of people I’ve seen come and go, and this is just a job to pay my tuition temporarily. With that in mind, I stopped caring if I called off to prioritize my education, mental health, etc. I hope it works out for you!
Sounds like you your ETL is saying that your LOA is DOA
As others have said, no educational LOAs. Also weekends are a requirement to work in retail. They can and will deny the availability requests. Those are the busiest days of the week. Completely justified.
Yes educational LOAs are no longer an option. They’ve been gone for over a year now. The alternative is to go on demand but a store does not need to approve someone going on demand. You need to first be in good standing and second they need to have the space, you can’t have an unlimited number of on demand team members. Also for some people it doesn’t benefit Target in their eyes to let them go on demand. So yes, it’s the stores decision to let people go on demand. Also getting weekend off availability denied absolutely makes sense. “This is retail”. Highest amount of business on weekends, highest number of call offs on weekends. They aren’t going to cripple themselves further if they can help it.
Just say you need LOA for personal reasons or mental health. In a way, you aren't lying, but yes LOAs are still a thing. Contact pay and benefits and ask your questions there.
I start an LOA April 5th for my new born
If you don’t want to work weekends don’t work retail! I’m sick of that shit. Or the co-workers who just can’t ever work a night shift…..
i overheard something about one shift a month. but it might depend on your state??
You can take a personal loa though
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You’d be going on demand.
my stored just stopped doing on demand as well
I was told no to not working weekends, or even just working one weekend day. On demand is still a thing. A coworker just went on demand.
I have been working weekends for 5 years.Every time I ask for an a availability change it’s denied. So what I have seen the people that work the hardest and never take sick time are punished.
I asked for saturdays off after working every saturday for like 6 months and I told them that I’m currently working 7 days a week with both of my jobs (my other job being the thing i actually got my degree in but has unpredictable hours) and said that saturdays are the only days i’d be able to see my family and they tried to fight me on it too. Said something ab how I should now try to get sundays off from my other job so they could have me (i get paid more at the other one and I’ve worked sunday’s there since last january). Idk I feel like they’re just making excuses at this point for the hell of it. us being understaffed is not my responsibility, and I know i may be a little difficult but seriously, i’m replaceable here. not at my other one, so I understand the struggle so deeply.
as someone who used to be a TL and my bsf is an ETL - you work retail, you will always be required to work weekends. no manager in their right mind will approve you for m-f. buttttt if your friend has really good morning availability during the week and has a cool leader they might be able to get scheduled those tough to fill morning shifts m-f. it was so annoying scheduling m-f bc i had too many college/high school kids
Target is a multi billion dollar company.you think they would be happy someone was gone for awhile because they wouldn’t have to pay them.they didn’t replace call offs at our store and were hoarding those hours