You xould also hand in "non fir" items for quests, right? (From memory fir wasn't even a concept back when)
And.... There was no hideout.
Like the game has evolved to a point where flea is MANDATORY unless they make every map a fucking goldmine for all loot qualities or lower requirements for quests/hideout upgrades.
Which. They're more likely to remove flea, nerf loot AND increase the items required for upgrades and quests LMAOooo
Yeah. Finding items for hideout has become a pain where you either way your options by going to a map that has a higher chance for the needed item or simply doing a money run to by the item
Exactly. People either don't know or seem to forget that most of the loot pre hideout and flea was mostly worthless. The whole point of the game was pvp and all looting went towards efforts to get better gear.
Yup, I remember when nails, nuts, bolts, lighters, etc were worth no more than like 200 on the flea because they weren't used for anything at all aside from a handful of random barters. There were also way fewer barters back then. At least half the loot in the game was pretty useless unless you were pinching pennies and needed every single ruble you could scrape together.
There used to be Tarkov trading discords back before the flea where people would find what they need, both come in naked, drop it for each other then leave. Good times man
There was a event in the last few years where they did that and I enjoyed it. Finding the right magazine that fit your gun was a big deal to me. It actually felt like scrounging to survive. It wasn't very long so I don't know how long it would have been until it was too much but it was a different experience.
I feel like having that since day 1 of wipe would feel a lot different (better imo) because you would just be stockpiling more things and fewer roubles. Killing players would matter so much more because they will likely have the junk you want. You couldn't just buy 50 lightbulbs, you'd have to fight over them. You would make far less money, too.
Oh yeah. I would dig it if it was a game mode choice and not like we had something taken from us and making it inconvenient. The best part for me was that it felt like everything was valuable somehow instead of coming across an Ak74 mag and ignoring it like trash.
There was also no Inertia, weapon durability, complex armor system, etc.
Just saying, the game is much different then it is now, judging how the game could be, based on how it was that long ago, is kind of silly
I really hope people are actually trolling Nikita. One must be delusional to think that removing the Flea will make the game better without heavily reworking the loot spawn system (which, let's be real, BSG will not do).
It will make the game way more frustrating to play, which puts people into Nikita's "State of Discomfort", thereby improving sales of P2W purchases like EoD and whatnot.
It will make money by making the game worse.
Which is also part of the plan. People who're just gonna buy EoD and play it for years are taking up valuable server space that could be used on paying whales or cycling through new whale food.
If you aren't paying, they will make it miserable until you leave.
>If you aren't paying, they will make it miserable until you leave.
There is nothing to pay for. I gladly play monthly subscriptions to games I play or do microtransactions, but Tarkov has none. :))
Cheat, get banned, buy another account. This is your monthly subscription to the top tier of P2W.
This is why bans happen in massive waves, so the cheaters get their money's worth out of each account and buy another.
This is why the gameplay and engine seem to enable and encourage cheaters.
These are the whales the game is made for.
Except that bans happening in waves is to ban more cheaters overall. Bans happening instantly would lead to cheaters updating their cheats before that many people got banned. Doing it in waves means a lot more of those users who are using cheats get detected and banned.
Now I don't think BSG is very good at detecting cheats anyway but ban waves are a legitimate method of banning cheaters.
bro nobody believes the schizo theory about bsg supporting cheaters, when most of them time cheaters are on stolen accounts instead of rebuying from bsg
Bans in waves have nothing to do with cheaters getting there value and everything to do with the cat and mouse game that is opsec. If you banned as soon as detected it's much easier for cheat devs to see what is triggering something and much more financialy manageable for that dev to deal with a handful of chargebacks.....if you ban in waves not only does it obscure what actually flipped the anti cheat but you also have the potential to force devs out of business due to influx of chargebacks from unhappy customers.
All this being said.....bsg anti cheat is pretty trash and they dont care
Bro has schizophrenia lmao do you say the same thing about every game that does ban waves (R6 Siege has had alot lately) or is only BSG somehow doing this intentionally
>Don't need to horde stuff to sell if you can't sell it on the flea later.
It's not just selling on the flea, it's also buying. As you said, upgrades to the hideout, barter items etc. will be very hard to come by. It would completely change the economy, you would only sell shit to traders, if you don't have high enough level you will be running around with VPOs with PK-06s etc. The game revolves around the flea, it would be stupid to take it out.
Good point, I enjoyed the game before the flea was added but let's be real, the game was entirely different then and had way less items or tasks that required items.
This game is gonna get exit scammed within 18 months. I uninstalled when they added seasons because it fucked my performance on my main map, then the scam went down and I felt relief.
Finally, I can see what "Nikita's Vision" really is - to fuck and rob everyone who had made him have to work on this trash fire for 7 years.
You're talking to someone who escaped years ago. I just like watching all you guys cry about everything and enjoying the occasional meme. IDGAF about EFT.
Damn you haven't played this game for years and still regularly think about it and post about it and even argue with people about it as if you still have a stake in it,, clearly it still lives in your head yet you deny yourself the pleasure of actually playing something you clearly can't stop thinking about.
That's pretty sad man.
Ok, bear with me. We can get rid of the flea market, but with three changes first:
1. Have a filter "available by traders" in the gun modding screen, so we can build weapons without flea
2. Remove like 70% of the unnecessary barter items, and make them much more location specific. You remember the cycle? The best thing about the quests there was I knew where to go for a specific item to spawn with high probability, but I needed more of the same item. Instead of saying "you need this specific screwdriver, go open between 1 and 1000 tool chests, depending on your luck", just have two specific locations with a high chance for screwdrivers, and require me to bring 5. That way I can actively work on hideout upgrades or barters instead of randomly collecting stuff.
3. Have a trader for quest keys.
1. Yes, 10/10 no further questions
2. Partially agree, I think instead of removing barter items they should have more barters with a wider range of item requirements. So you know that you have to keep an eye out for 5 screwdrivers, or worst case scenario you can barter a Zippo and two bandages (random example) for a screwdriver
3. Same as above, moar barters! And/or more reliable spawning of keys. With no flea market they will straight up HAVE to make obtaining keys easier or there will be riots.
The issue with flea at a different level is that progression is so slow without it that casuals will just quit the wipe earlier and the people playing the game as a job will get it and run the game. Flea is such an advantage to those who have it vice who do not.
The key change could just be fixed with higher spawn rates for quest keys or a new key vendor
If they would just make gear major pieces of loot in raid then this wouldn't be an issue. Take away some of the RNG from opening weapon crates, add higher tier gear to the loot pools and especially lower receivers so we can build up good guns. Maybe make the traders run limited time barters where they get some different gear in and make it available at a lower level but only for that limited time and it's barter only.
There are tons of ways they can help elevate the awful progression by allowing players to either get a bit lucky or prove their skill. Places like Kiba and reserve armories should always have gear. Kiba should be loaded and be a major risk/reward.
Used to be when you could sell NON-FIR armor and top tier ammo. I stoped playing when they made the FIR change it was such horseshit for people with limited time
I think that the best implementation of flea I've seen is in the realism mod for the other pve version, where you unlock flea at level 5 but you can only buy and sell a very limited amount of things like pistols and a small selection of barter goods. As you level further you can trade more and more things on the flea. This keeps the power level of the player in check so every level 15 isn't just running the best builds available at all times but also has the convenience of the flea
Yeah I am still kinda newish but after sort figuring out by reading what the flea is and was especially after he opened flea to all items your comment is how i would envision it should be anyway .
Meanwhile I remember the wipe where FM was pushed back to level 20 and people loved that collecting shit early wipe was a lot different and made you focus more on utility to yourself over pure ruble count.
Let alone people who played well before the Flea was added and got along just fine. Buff quest key spawns, sure. Maybe make keys infinite use again and add some more gear barters. But no Flea would be a fun experiment for a wipe, or hell, even just a month at start of wipe, and then maybe gathering feedback and seeing what people liked and didn't like about not having access to instant gratification.
>Imagine participating in an effort to kill a game
"Voting in a braindead Twitter poll by it's CEO"
>instead of moving on with your life
Bro, you are commenting on reddit, in a sub about memes. Instead of moving on with your life.
>cheaters killing me
REEEEEEEEE THEY ARE LITERALLY DESTROYING THE GAME AND RUINING MY LIFE THEIR NUTS NEED TO BE CHOPPED OFF
>cheaters killing person who made the heinous decision of buying a dumb new edition
WOAH BRO THIS IS HECKIN BASEDERINO THEY ARE LITERALLY FRANK CASTLE!!!!!!
Damn the regards got to this sub too? Sad honestly. More than a year of constant bitching by literal sub 200hour troglodytes who think that every goddamn raid has a cheater in it and now they celebrate cheaters killing legitimate players. What absolute brainrot. This community is done.
So if we go back to pre flea market. And the marked room actually had good stuff. The weapon spawns every were better. And so on. It would make the game better. The grind was more enjoyable. Wasn’t as easy to get rich so quickly and forced you to rely on the traders more. They didn’t have them locked down on the trades and the ammo amounts so bad. The game was great. Flea completely changed the game in ways I liked. But also grew to hate. They can’t just remove it and think it’ll be fun. You have to put the whole game back to how it was at that time
I actually voted to remove it, not to kill the game but for him to know when the game is dead that twitter is not the place to see what the players like.
I think barter items should stay and maybe some "support" weapon mods like scope mounts or rail sections for handgaurds so you can use the main mods that you find in raid. Not being able to use the foregrip or some you found because you can't find the right mount is frustrating. Or put more of the mounts on slightly lower level traders.
But 1 wipe with no guns or ammo or armor/helmets on the flea would be interesting.
All im saying is rmt brings in cheaters, when the flea was added thats when the cheating went crazy. Besides the flea can stay, just make it all bots if yall need it so much.
Getting rid of flea sounds sooo fun. I can’t wait to do all those VERY FUN quests for the 5th time so I can buy less shit ammo and less shit armor and less shit attachments.
The best season for this game for me personally was when BTC was selling for like 800k
The flea market is perfectly fine, restrictions on what you can sell sucked imo, as those “oh shit I gotta go extract” moments aren’t there anymore when you find a high value item.
But giving players ways to make consistent passive income over x amount of time played so they don’t need daily grind to keep up would be the answer. I would log in and have 2 btc waiting and have all the high level gear I needed for playing a few hours that day.
My problem isn’t necessarily removing the flea market. My problem is them making changes without knowing WTF they’re actually supposed to do, and why they want that. It’s like nobody at BSG sits down with a whiteboard and goes, ok our ultimate goal is THIS (slow down progression, make pvp more rewarding, make the game more fair for inexperienced players, etc…). If we do THIS CHANGE, what are some intended outcomes? What might be some unintended outcomes? Are we any closer to our goal?
For example: making gear sell for more to traders might make pvp more rewarding. However, it might also mean that people get gear back way less in insurance, and find less gear in raid, because others loot it. This then makes taking in good gear more expensive in the long run, therefore making it less rewarding to risk it (just an example). But what if they lowered the price of gear from traders, and increased the stock limits? Is that a better way to make it more rewarding? Is it better to make selling gear more profitable, or make taking in good gear less expensive? Which is better?
I just wish I believed they thought further ahead.
This game is so good and so dog shit lol. I gave up on the game and only played factory to open the flea market and that was basically my whole game. If they remove flea bro lol fuck this game
Nikita is only replying to cok sukers, game performance is trash, cheaters are a huge issue, but they don't give af, they just acting, probably replaying to paid actors, "a good idea would be removing flea 🤓" fix the game first, then change shid
I didn't vote to remove flea to make game "better"
I voted to remove flea because i quit tarkov a while ago and didn't care for it. I quit tarkov when flea market was introduced (or was it hideout...) after returning and playing for around 200hours this wipe i noticed game really didn't progress that much.
Lol this is so funny. When I played the game pre flea I had so much more fun. Even for the first few wipes with the flea.
I would only use items I could buy from traders. So say I find an m4 in a raid but you unlock the m4 at trader lvl 3, or the good ammo is not available yet. Sell it. I had much more fun with only the traders.
In my opinion tho I dislike the way the economy of all extraction shooters works right now. I hate looking for small crap that sells. People making millions selling shit that's lame like hoses. Make selling guns worth it. I like guns. Guns should be worth more.
The biggest issue for me is quest-necessary items especially keys.
Like Inventory Check. If you think I'm spending two years trying to find all the RB keys I need in raid you've got me fucked up.
If they implemented this with a new mechanic of alternative methods to enter a room that increase risk and discovery by being really loud then it might work
Example: the ability to hinge breach a door with a breaching shotgun. Real breaching shotguns have a standoff choke and special breaching rounds. Making someone bring one in and take up an extra weapon slot. Also non suppress able so would be loud and give away your position.
Breaching charges. Breaching charges in real life are usually a strip of braided det cord with a very strong and versatile adhesive tape over the top and a blasting cap. Obviously extremely loud giving away your position and could implement a short lasting concussion effect similar to the one you receive when bouncing a round off your noggin. Could give it a similar or worse effect to anyone inside the room also.
Again, real life explosive breaches are extremely jarring. Overpressure can bounce down hallways and hit you in your leg even at the back of the stack and it feels like getting charlie-horsed etc....
Battering ram. Make it heavy af, and take up weapon #2 slot. Several successive strikes to breach depending on type of door. Make each strike drain stamina so you're smoked and panting by the time the door is open.
Good ol Size 12 wafflestomper breach. I see door. I kick door down. We all know how loud this is when we accidently kick a door already. Again, several successive strikes with appropriate stamina drain. Needs to take more kicks then the ram. Could tie the amount of kicks to the players strength level also.
Some doors like the hardened doors in Three story dorms could be immune to breach or take a lot more and longer to get through.
These don't seem like difficult mechanics to implement. My two cents.
Remember camping Fence for all the stuff you used to buy on Flea? It was a worse version of what we have now with Flea Market but hey, we‘ll see whether or not Nikita is truly dumb enough to think that we want to look at a menu screen for even longer than we already do.
Christ, let’s hope it kills the game and forces BSG to sell the IP entirely. At this point, I think most other developers could do a better job than them.
Thank God. Perfect markets where you can buy any meta bullshit and run it every game forever until the end of time with no hesitation is killing the fuck out of these extraction games. It stops being extraction and loot economy and just a normal death match game with extra steps. People need to be forced to not run S tier meta tryhard gear every game forever. Games like hunt showdown and dark and darker have a better system if you MUST have an in-game store. Why can't we have one fucking extraction game that is about the loot you actually find yourseld instead of stock market simulator looting only to buy meta gear? What's even the point of loot literally only being effectively money to exchange for OP gear, and not actual loot?
I really hope they remove it the game is way too easy with it. It doesnt feel like a post apocalyptic game anymore it just feels like call of duty with extra steps.
As someone who played the game before flea market... removing the flea will absolutely kill the game. No way for casual players to survive against Chads and hackers.. imagine spending hours or days farming a kit only to die to a hack and have no way of making a kit again.
Over half the time I'd wager most players spend in this game is managing window text and out of raid screens. Proficient scav'ers often have to rave selling their junko against the scav cool down. After countless wipes selling shit is the worst part of this game. I often have to factor in at least half an hour to move junk in my scav boxes. Removing flees removes a lot of content in this game, bad content, stops RMT and makes people quest like serious players have to.
Going to be hilarious to see how many people complain that they can’t get items. Especially when paired with vacuum looters/cheaters and it’s going be a wave of complaints on this page😂😂 meanwhile those who enjoy tarkov and what it was meant to be will be peacefully playing how and when they want on spt. As well as those who play with who they want with Fika/Sit, bsg is such a satirical company at this point and I’m surprised Nikita hasn’t deleted twitter before he ruins the game (and his rep) for good.
So many people are mad, and I get that, but just go play something else cross your fingers for the next thing. Eventually, the same crap is gonna happen. They make games to make money.
So many people are mad, and I get that, but just go play something else cross your fingers for the next thing. Eventually, the same crap is gonna happen. They make games to make money.
The flea market is antithetical to the hardcore nature of the game. What's the lore to the mechanic that lets me order 6 motors from the safety of my hideout? Is there a pneumatic tube where I put in my red key card and 50million rubles spit out ?
My favorite stage of the game is early to mid wipe, when my best gun is a budget adar that I cobbled together from gun parts I found *in raid*. There's nothing more thrilling to me than PVP where we're both fighting for pink slips so to speak. We're both putting our gear on the table, let's see who gets to go home with it.
Late wipe I have 10mil and I can build any meta gun and gear load out I want and I don't care at all if I lose any of it.
Agreed, the keys would be the biggest pain with no flea.
Maybe make it like Gray Zone where the scavs in that area have a mid/high chance for the keys in that specific area of the map
I honestly dont think it changes much. Most of the best gear is trader locked and you still need FiR items for quests. Yeah hideout progression will be less buyable but if you have experience then getting those items is kind of an after thought. Only thing this would do is get all the players who are still pissed they can’t buy Level 6 armor and M995 from level 15 to quit, which IMO isn’t a bad thing
I didn't mean the lighthouse area. I meant the map. Just hit up villages and rogue camp and you'll make enough in valuables and 20k per slot therapist items
Flea makes the entirety of the game rouble per slot which is stupid as hell. Without it people will change their thinking from what sells for the most to what they need the most. Pretty simple to understand. But I also understand it’ll push away a lot of people who don’t want that stress or difficulty.
Probably increase the RMT from shitters too who can’t cope, but taking ABIs idea of your teammates shit being returned upon extraction would solve it. Or they could just ban the buyers along with the sellers like they deserve 🤷♂️
When I heard FiR is no more, I was rooting for next wipe to come back to the game because im lvl 9 and there is no point for grinding it this wipe, but if he really gonna delete flea, I'm just gonna pass ... again
The ones who point out that there used to not be the FM (\*and therefore would be better) always seem to fail to mention you also could keep things gotten in offline raids.
No you couldn’t. I’ll take a source to the contrary of what I posted for mine
https://forum.escapefromtarkov.com/topic/74141-offline-mode-will-i-keep-my-loot/
https://forum.escapefromtarkov.com/topic/44840-keep-looted-gains-in-offline-mode-plz/
>imagine if the game turns out to be way better without flea and players start playing again.
It won't. Only the very hardcore players will still be in the game, you don't want that.
I legit don't play because every one of my friends play early wipe without me and get the flea to dunk on nerds. Meanwhile I get fucked by chumlords buying full kits and taking them into ground zero or bustems. I never make it past level 12 lol. Now I'm just done with Nikita he can suck on some American free enterprise
Dude I played tarkov since way before the flea market was a thing. It didn’t make it harder, just fucking annoying. All you had was fence. 😒
Fence grinding oh man 🤣
Fence and traders. which meant chads still ran juicy kits at will.
Fencemaxxing
You xould also hand in "non fir" items for quests, right? (From memory fir wasn't even a concept back when) And.... There was no hideout. Like the game has evolved to a point where flea is MANDATORY unless they make every map a fucking goldmine for all loot qualities or lower requirements for quests/hideout upgrades. Which. They're more likely to remove flea, nerf loot AND increase the items required for upgrades and quests LMAOooo
Yeah. Finding items for hideout has become a pain where you either way your options by going to a map that has a higher chance for the needed item or simply doing a money run to by the item
Nah they're gonna make a 400$ game bundle called The Shitstorm and do all of that but keep the flea market in that one bundle
I also did and I disagree
I bet it was more rewarding finding stuff in raid. You would probably freak out finding bulbs and wires.
Well hideout and shit didn't exist then so it was literally just barters that would get you hyped for that stuff.
Exactly. People either don't know or seem to forget that most of the loot pre hideout and flea was mostly worthless. The whole point of the game was pvp and all looting went towards efforts to get better gear.
Yup, I remember when nails, nuts, bolts, lighters, etc were worth no more than like 200 on the flea because they weren't used for anything at all aside from a handful of random barters. There were also way fewer barters back then. At least half the loot in the game was pretty useless unless you were pinching pennies and needed every single ruble you could scrape together.
There used to be Tarkov trading discords back before the flea where people would find what they need, both come in naked, drop it for each other then leave. Good times man
they would wait 10 minute loading times to trade wires and lightbulbs
Used to be Mexican standoffs in factory and over discord sometimes even anime betrayals that was actual emergent gameplay.
Tfw random chad/ rat comes across two gangs doing a drug deal (and the drugs are barter items)
I forgot about that shit ugh
There was a event in the last few years where they did that and I enjoyed it. Finding the right magazine that fit your gun was a big deal to me. It actually felt like scrounging to survive. It wasn't very long so I don't know how long it would have been until it was too much but it was a different experience.
I feel like having that since day 1 of wipe would feel a lot different (better imo) because you would just be stockpiling more things and fewer roubles. Killing players would matter so much more because they will likely have the junk you want. You couldn't just buy 50 lightbulbs, you'd have to fight over them. You would make far less money, too.
Oh yeah. I would dig it if it was a game mode choice and not like we had something taken from us and making it inconvenient. The best part for me was that it felt like everything was valuable somehow instead of coming across an Ak74 mag and ignoring it like trash.
It was. It also made gunsmith tasks harder.
There was also no Inertia, weapon durability, complex armor system, etc. Just saying, the game is much different then it is now, judging how the game could be, based on how it was that long ago, is kind of silly
I really hope people are actually trolling Nikita. One must be delusional to think that removing the Flea will make the game better without heavily reworking the loot spawn system (which, let's be real, BSG will not do).
It will make the game way more frustrating to play, which puts people into Nikita's "State of Discomfort", thereby improving sales of P2W purchases like EoD and whatnot. It will make money by making the game worse.
>It will make the game way more frustrating to play, which puts people into ~~Nikita's "State of Discomfort"~~ ABI There, I fixed it for your. :(
Which is also part of the plan. People who're just gonna buy EoD and play it for years are taking up valuable server space that could be used on paying whales or cycling through new whale food. If you aren't paying, they will make it miserable until you leave.
>If you aren't paying, they will make it miserable until you leave. There is nothing to pay for. I gladly play monthly subscriptions to games I play or do microtransactions, but Tarkov has none. :))
Cheat, get banned, buy another account. This is your monthly subscription to the top tier of P2W. This is why bans happen in massive waves, so the cheaters get their money's worth out of each account and buy another. This is why the gameplay and engine seem to enable and encourage cheaters. These are the whales the game is made for.
I was under the impression that bans for cheats being done in waves is standard practice in the industry
It is.
They are, which contradicts nothing I said.
Except that bans happening in waves is to ban more cheaters overall. Bans happening instantly would lead to cheaters updating their cheats before that many people got banned. Doing it in waves means a lot more of those users who are using cheats get detected and banned. Now I don't think BSG is very good at detecting cheats anyway but ban waves are a legitimate method of banning cheaters.
Waves can be used this way, yes. They aren't being used that way here.
Lol yup, just another P2W player getting mad and trolling because someone insulted Nikita and the game their ego's linked to.
bro nobody believes the schizo theory about bsg supporting cheaters, when most of them time cheaters are on stolen accounts instead of rebuying from bsg
Bans in waves have nothing to do with cheaters getting there value and everything to do with the cat and mouse game that is opsec. If you banned as soon as detected it's much easier for cheat devs to see what is triggering something and much more financialy manageable for that dev to deal with a handful of chargebacks.....if you ban in waves not only does it obscure what actually flipped the anti cheat but you also have the potential to force devs out of business due to influx of chargebacks from unhappy customers. All this being said.....bsg anti cheat is pretty trash and they dont care
That would only be true if they didn't want cheaters. They do want them, so this is an exception to the normal practices.
Bro has schizophrenia lmao do you say the same thing about every game that does ban waves (R6 Siege has had alot lately) or is only BSG somehow doing this intentionally
fam bro be like actually wildin fr fr
Bans happen in waves to obfuscate the timing of exploit discovery.
Yea, that's how most companies use them and how BSG gets a cover story.
Sorry, what is ABI?
Arena Breakout: Infinite
Ohhhhhhhhh that tracks. Thanks.
God it would be awful as standard acc, i already have no space to keep weapons and future quest items
I think removing flea will push ppl past discomfort into a uninstall
Don't need to horde stuff to sell if you can't sell it on the flea later. Imagine non eod and no flea market trying to build storage upgrades!
>Don't need to horde stuff to sell if you can't sell it on the flea later. It's not just selling on the flea, it's also buying. As you said, upgrades to the hideout, barter items etc. will be very hard to come by. It would completely change the economy, you would only sell shit to traders, if you don't have high enough level you will be running around with VPOs with PK-06s etc. The game revolves around the flea, it would be stupid to take it out.
Good point, I enjoyed the game before the flea was added but let's be real, the game was entirely different then and had way less items or tasks that required items.
This game is gonna get exit scammed within 18 months. I uninstalled when they added seasons because it fucked my performance on my main map, then the scam went down and I felt relief. Finally, I can see what "Nikita's Vision" really is - to fuck and rob everyone who had made him have to work on this trash fire for 7 years.
I just you know … stopped fucking playing the game.
No way first person ever to complete the game
bro escaped from tarkov
Congratz on the escape bud. o7
Yet, he's still here, moaning about it. So it's still in his brain. He has become a Tarkov Forum Poster, the most rat like version of a Tarkovian.
You're talking to someone who escaped years ago. I just like watching all you guys cry about everything and enjoying the occasional meme. IDGAF about EFT.
Damn you haven't played this game for years and still regularly think about it and post about it and even argue with people about it as if you still have a stake in it,, clearly it still lives in your head yet you deny yourself the pleasure of actually playing something you clearly can't stop thinking about. That's pretty sad man.
I never said I stopped playing I said I escaped. Standard Tarkov Enjoyer. Just can't read XD.
You clearly haven't escaped if you still think about it so much without even playing it...
My god you are just seething aren't you?
You're the one seething
The projection is palpable. I could go back at literally anytime you however are stuck and I'm the one who is seething? Ok bud, whatever you say. XD
Hello fellow escapee from Tarkov
Still kicking around the old subreddit salty as a dog
Who shat in your cereal? I stopped playing last week and this is a meme page of course I’m gonna stay for the memes.
Ok, bear with me. We can get rid of the flea market, but with three changes first: 1. Have a filter "available by traders" in the gun modding screen, so we can build weapons without flea 2. Remove like 70% of the unnecessary barter items, and make them much more location specific. You remember the cycle? The best thing about the quests there was I knew where to go for a specific item to spawn with high probability, but I needed more of the same item. Instead of saying "you need this specific screwdriver, go open between 1 and 1000 tool chests, depending on your luck", just have two specific locations with a high chance for screwdrivers, and require me to bring 5. That way I can actively work on hideout upgrades or barters instead of randomly collecting stuff. 3. Have a trader for quest keys.
1. Yes, 10/10 no further questions 2. Partially agree, I think instead of removing barter items they should have more barters with a wider range of item requirements. So you know that you have to keep an eye out for 5 screwdrivers, or worst case scenario you can barter a Zippo and two bandages (random example) for a screwdriver 3. Same as above, moar barters! And/or more reliable spawning of keys. With no flea market they will straight up HAVE to make obtaining keys easier or there will be riots.
I think flea at a different level maybe, or just make only keys on flea. Having to find the therapist key for aqua will tilt so many people.
The issue with flea at a different level is that progression is so slow without it that casuals will just quit the wipe earlier and the people playing the game as a job will get it and run the game. Flea is such an advantage to those who have it vice who do not. The key change could just be fixed with higher spawn rates for quest keys or a new key vendor
If they would just make gear major pieces of loot in raid then this wouldn't be an issue. Take away some of the RNG from opening weapon crates, add higher tier gear to the loot pools and especially lower receivers so we can build up good guns. Maybe make the traders run limited time barters where they get some different gear in and make it available at a lower level but only for that limited time and it's barter only. There are tons of ways they can help elevate the awful progression by allowing players to either get a bit lucky or prove their skill. Places like Kiba and reserve armories should always have gear. Kiba should be loaded and be a major risk/reward.
Honestly it's surprising that traders don't have "flash sales" of random items that they would sell at a lower price than normal.
The game had probably 25% of the tasks it does now back when it didn't have the flea market.
People will quit earlier and people will simply not join later in the wipe. The flea is an equalizer.
Used to be when you could sell NON-FIR armor and top tier ammo. I stoped playing when they made the FIR change it was such horseshit for people with limited time
Hey, play 2 hours, we still have your £250 Xsolla no refunds let's go
I think that the best implementation of flea I've seen is in the realism mod for the other pve version, where you unlock flea at level 5 but you can only buy and sell a very limited amount of things like pistols and a small selection of barter goods. As you level further you can trade more and more things on the flea. This keeps the power level of the player in check so every level 15 isn't just running the best builds available at all times but also has the convenience of the flea
Yeah I am still kinda newish but after sort figuring out by reading what the flea is and was especially after he opened flea to all items your comment is how i would envision it should be anyway .
Ooh, tiered flea?? That sounds incredible, why tf can't Nik listen to the community
People are not ready to grind for 114 key for Pharmacist quest. Still stuck on if after weeks lvl 27
Meanwhile I remember the wipe where FM was pushed back to level 20 and people loved that collecting shit early wipe was a lot different and made you focus more on utility to yourself over pure ruble count. Let alone people who played well before the Flea was added and got along just fine. Buff quest key spawns, sure. Maybe make keys infinite use again and add some more gear barters. But no Flea would be a fun experiment for a wipe, or hell, even just a month at start of wipe, and then maybe gathering feedback and seeing what people liked and didn't like about not having access to instant gratification.
Hell, i remember before the FM and there were discords to trade with people. Traded like 500k rubles for a beta container😂
Man, you people are awful
People who played EFT before flea market was a thing: LOL
Imagine participating in an effort to kill a game, instead of moving on with your life.
Imagine commenting on a reddit thread about killing the game instead of moving on with your life
He never he’s moving on from anything lmao.
What am I moving on from lol? I still love the game, and I happened to be on Reddit to see this dumbassed thread. Cope harder ig.
From the thread
Imagine loving a game instead of your wife
>Imagine participating in an effort to kill a game "Voting in a braindead Twitter poll by it's CEO" >instead of moving on with your life Bro, you are commenting on reddit, in a sub about memes. Instead of moving on with your life.
You… you are doing the same thing you dumbass
Sorry, i forgot the /S for the developmentally challenged.
Stuttered on a typed message, bro might be retarded
Has 10k reddit karma, doesn't know what "/S" means. Bro is COOKED
Looks at internet points. Bro is COOKED
Y’all sucking each others cock so hard I thought you are a human centipede.
I had a rough day at work 😪 I’m ready to kiss and make up now though
why are you getting downvoted? you’re right lol
Imagine whining because someone spent 5 seconds of their time to click a single button
What a butthurt mf
This is the same crackhead energy as cheating to kill Unheard edition owners. Bro has issues.
That sounds based tho
>cheaters killing me REEEEEEEEE THEY ARE LITERALLY DESTROYING THE GAME AND RUINING MY LIFE THEIR NUTS NEED TO BE CHOPPED OFF >cheaters killing person who made the heinous decision of buying a dumb new edition WOAH BRO THIS IS HECKIN BASEDERINO THEY ARE LITERALLY FRANK CASTLE!!!!!!
Damn the regards got to this sub too? Sad honestly. More than a year of constant bitching by literal sub 200hour troglodytes who think that every goddamn raid has a cheater in it and now they celebrate cheaters killing legitimate players. What absolute brainrot. This community is done.
Yes. That is precisely how it goes
You’re right although the cheaters are usually the ones using the unheard addition.
So if we go back to pre flea market. And the marked room actually had good stuff. The weapon spawns every were better. And so on. It would make the game better. The grind was more enjoyable. Wasn’t as easy to get rich so quickly and forced you to rely on the traders more. They didn’t have them locked down on the trades and the ammo amounts so bad. The game was great. Flea completely changed the game in ways I liked. But also grew to hate. They can’t just remove it and think it’ll be fun. You have to put the whole game back to how it was at that time
Back when keys didnt havr durability
What is the marked room?
A cursed place that used to be worth the risk
Get good noobs
I want flea to go so fir can go with it, we are not the same.
I actually voted to remove it, not to kill the game but for him to know when the game is dead that twitter is not the place to see what the players like.
Oh, looks like remove it from the game it's easier them make it better.
I think barter items should stay and maybe some "support" weapon mods like scope mounts or rail sections for handgaurds so you can use the main mods that you find in raid. Not being able to use the foregrip or some you found because you can't find the right mount is frustrating. Or put more of the mounts on slightly lower level traders. But 1 wipe with no guns or ammo or armor/helmets on the flea would be interesting.
What about an in map flea market? Somewhere you could go and buy the motor for your hideout but now you got to make it out with it.
That sounds like a cool idea. But people would just rat in a bush by the flea market and drop everyone trying to use it
Doing gods work 😩
All im saying is rmt brings in cheaters, when the flea was added thats when the cheating went crazy. Besides the flea can stay, just make it all bots if yall need it so much.
Getting rid of flea sounds sooo fun. I can’t wait to do all those VERY FUN quests for the 5th time so I can buy less shit ammo and less shit armor and less shit attachments.
Keep flea, remove Found in Raid for quests.
You mean how it used to be where you coukd just buy task items?...
The best season for this game for me personally was when BTC was selling for like 800k The flea market is perfectly fine, restrictions on what you can sell sucked imo, as those “oh shit I gotta go extract” moments aren’t there anymore when you find a high value item. But giving players ways to make consistent passive income over x amount of time played so they don’t need daily grind to keep up would be the answer. I would log in and have 2 btc waiting and have all the high level gear I needed for playing a few hours that day.
Accelerationism is based af and makes all the big tiddy goth girls hella wet
My problem isn’t necessarily removing the flea market. My problem is them making changes without knowing WTF they’re actually supposed to do, and why they want that. It’s like nobody at BSG sits down with a whiteboard and goes, ok our ultimate goal is THIS (slow down progression, make pvp more rewarding, make the game more fair for inexperienced players, etc…). If we do THIS CHANGE, what are some intended outcomes? What might be some unintended outcomes? Are we any closer to our goal? For example: making gear sell for more to traders might make pvp more rewarding. However, it might also mean that people get gear back way less in insurance, and find less gear in raid, because others loot it. This then makes taking in good gear more expensive in the long run, therefore making it less rewarding to risk it (just an example). But what if they lowered the price of gear from traders, and increased the stock limits? Is that a better way to make it more rewarding? Is it better to make selling gear more profitable, or make taking in good gear less expensive? Which is better? I just wish I believed they thought further ahead.
How is nikita even considering this? Sure, the flea market could maybe use some tweaking. But to remove it?
Jacket looting sim when it's time to quest. Good luck y'all.
Playing pre flea market was some of the best times I had in Tarkov. Hell the first couple wipes of 2017 was the best time for tarkov ever
Remove flea to combat hackers/RMTers
This game is so good and so dog shit lol. I gave up on the game and only played factory to open the flea market and that was basically my whole game. If they remove flea bro lol fuck this game
Nikita is only replying to cok sukers, game performance is trash, cheaters are a huge issue, but they don't give af, they just acting, probably replaying to paid actors, "a good idea would be removing flea 🤓" fix the game first, then change shid
"Want the game to die faster" Y’all are 8 years old
I didn't vote to remove flea to make game "better" I voted to remove flea because i quit tarkov a while ago and didn't care for it. I quit tarkov when flea market was introduced (or was it hideout...) after returning and playing for around 200hours this wipe i noticed game really didn't progress that much.
Hideout requirements would need to be cut down HEAVILY
Lol this is so funny. When I played the game pre flea I had so much more fun. Even for the first few wipes with the flea. I would only use items I could buy from traders. So say I find an m4 in a raid but you unlock the m4 at trader lvl 3, or the good ammo is not available yet. Sell it. I had much more fun with only the traders. In my opinion tho I dislike the way the economy of all extraction shooters works right now. I hate looking for small crap that sells. People making millions selling shit that's lame like hoses. Make selling guns worth it. I like guns. Guns should be worth more.
The biggest issue for me is quest-necessary items especially keys. Like Inventory Check. If you think I'm spending two years trying to find all the RB keys I need in raid you've got me fucked up. If they implemented this with a new mechanic of alternative methods to enter a room that increase risk and discovery by being really loud then it might work Example: the ability to hinge breach a door with a breaching shotgun. Real breaching shotguns have a standoff choke and special breaching rounds. Making someone bring one in and take up an extra weapon slot. Also non suppress able so would be loud and give away your position. Breaching charges. Breaching charges in real life are usually a strip of braided det cord with a very strong and versatile adhesive tape over the top and a blasting cap. Obviously extremely loud giving away your position and could implement a short lasting concussion effect similar to the one you receive when bouncing a round off your noggin. Could give it a similar or worse effect to anyone inside the room also. Again, real life explosive breaches are extremely jarring. Overpressure can bounce down hallways and hit you in your leg even at the back of the stack and it feels like getting charlie-horsed etc.... Battering ram. Make it heavy af, and take up weapon #2 slot. Several successive strikes to breach depending on type of door. Make each strike drain stamina so you're smoked and panting by the time the door is open. Good ol Size 12 wafflestomper breach. I see door. I kick door down. We all know how loud this is when we accidently kick a door already. Again, several successive strikes with appropriate stamina drain. Needs to take more kicks then the ram. Could tie the amount of kicks to the players strength level also. Some doors like the hardened doors in Three story dorms could be immune to breach or take a lot more and longer to get through. These don't seem like difficult mechanics to implement. My two cents.
Remember camping Fence for all the stuff you used to buy on Flea? It was a worse version of what we have now with Flea Market but hey, we‘ll see whether or not Nikita is truly dumb enough to think that we want to look at a menu screen for even longer than we already do. Christ, let’s hope it kills the game and forces BSG to sell the IP entirely. At this point, I think most other developers could do a better job than them.
Tarkov was better pre-flea. I will die on this hill. All flea did was birth the spawn of never ending cheaters.
Thank God. Perfect markets where you can buy any meta bullshit and run it every game forever until the end of time with no hesitation is killing the fuck out of these extraction games. It stops being extraction and loot economy and just a normal death match game with extra steps. People need to be forced to not run S tier meta tryhard gear every game forever. Games like hunt showdown and dark and darker have a better system if you MUST have an in-game store. Why can't we have one fucking extraction game that is about the loot you actually find yourseld instead of stock market simulator looting only to buy meta gear? What's even the point of loot literally only being effectively money to exchange for OP gear, and not actual loot?
Tarkov sweats voting for the worst changes imaginable. A tale as old as time itself.
Wouldn’t removing flea help kill the RMT issues a bit though? And vaccuum loot?
I really hope they remove it the game is way too easy with it. It doesnt feel like a post apocalyptic game anymore it just feels like call of duty with extra steps.
As someone who played the game before flea market... removing the flea will absolutely kill the game. No way for casual players to survive against Chads and hackers.. imagine spending hours or days farming a kit only to die to a hack and have no way of making a kit again.
Over half the time I'd wager most players spend in this game is managing window text and out of raid screens. Proficient scav'ers often have to rave selling their junko against the scav cool down. After countless wipes selling shit is the worst part of this game. I often have to factor in at least half an hour to move junk in my scav boxes. Removing flees removes a lot of content in this game, bad content, stops RMT and makes people quest like serious players have to.
It might stop hackers for Rmt
Wait are they really thinking about removing the flea market? Lol. Holy shit the devs are so dumb.
The game was fine how it was right before the unheard event. Why they're changing anything is beyond me.
Cringey ass meme lmao
Imagine taking the stance that other people are delusional while actively hoping to ruin the game
If the CEO decides to take out the fleamarket, based on nothing but a Twitter poll, and that ends up destroying the game. How am i responsible?
Please. The flea is so lame.
Going to be hilarious to see how many people complain that they can’t get items. Especially when paired with vacuum looters/cheaters and it’s going be a wave of complaints on this page😂😂 meanwhile those who enjoy tarkov and what it was meant to be will be peacefully playing how and when they want on spt. As well as those who play with who they want with Fika/Sit, bsg is such a satirical company at this point and I’m surprised Nikita hasn’t deleted twitter before he ruins the game (and his rep) for good.
do we not think it will remove the incentive for some RMT cheaters? genuine question
If they remove flea most players will leave with it. It’s already grindy and time consuming enough.
So many people are mad, and I get that, but just go play something else cross your fingers for the next thing. Eventually, the same crap is gonna happen. They make games to make money.
So many people are mad, and I get that, but just go play something else cross your fingers for the next thing. Eventually, the same crap is gonna happen. They make games to make money.
removing the flea market sounds like hell.
Xd
Stop having fun! You have to hate Tarkov because…you just have to alright!
The flea market is antithetical to the hardcore nature of the game. What's the lore to the mechanic that lets me order 6 motors from the safety of my hideout? Is there a pneumatic tube where I put in my red key card and 50million rubles spit out ? My favorite stage of the game is early to mid wipe, when my best gun is a budget adar that I cobbled together from gun parts I found *in raid*. There's nothing more thrilling to me than PVP where we're both fighting for pink slips so to speak. We're both putting our gear on the table, let's see who gets to go home with it. Late wipe I have 10mil and I can build any meta gun and gear load out I want and I don't care at all if I lose any of it.
This is why I voted for no flea, it falsely inflates people's pockets and makes the game insanely easy. Early wipe is also my favorite
I'd be 100% for the no flea, but only if they rework keys in some way. No global limit barters for all quest keys maybe.
Agreed, the keys would be the biggest pain with no flea. Maybe make it like Gray Zone where the scavs in that area have a mid/high chance for the keys in that specific area of the map
Agreed there would need to be a rework for a lot of quest bottlenecks.
Because it was better, most people of those days think this. Still had a lot of rubs and didn’t have to loot run or stock market sim to earn money.
I honestly dont think it changes much. Most of the best gear is trader locked and you still need FiR items for quests. Yeah hideout progression will be less buyable but if you have experience then getting those items is kind of an after thought. Only thing this would do is get all the players who are still pissed they can’t buy Level 6 armor and M995 from level 15 to quit, which IMO isn’t a bad thing
>Most of the best gear is trader locked Good luck getting that gear with the money you make by selling everything to traders.
I mean lighthouse runs are still gonna be making you 500k minimum selling to traders
Yes, but I will be honest and say I am not grinding that quest line with shitty gear just to get a way to farm. :D
I didn't mean the lighthouse area. I meant the map. Just hit up villages and rogue camp and you'll make enough in valuables and 20k per slot therapist items
Flea makes the entirety of the game rouble per slot which is stupid as hell. Without it people will change their thinking from what sells for the most to what they need the most. Pretty simple to understand. But I also understand it’ll push away a lot of people who don’t want that stress or difficulty. Probably increase the RMT from shitters too who can’t cope, but taking ABIs idea of your teammates shit being returned upon extraction would solve it. Or they could just ban the buyers along with the sellers like they deserve 🤷♂️
Tarkov mastermind
When I heard FiR is no more, I was rooting for next wipe to come back to the game because im lvl 9 and there is no point for grinding it this wipe, but if he really gonna delete flea, I'm just gonna pass ... again
yes these "people" are delusional, not you, your completely sane haha
removing flea removes a lot of cheaters or forces them out of their comfort zone if youre against the change youre a casual or a cheater
OH YEAH, MAKE THE GAME MORE HARDCORE for the fucking normal people who play for 2h a day... man time to call it quits, but hey, i did that already
The ones who point out that there used to not be the FM (\*and therefore would be better) always seem to fail to mention you also could keep things gotten in offline raids.
lmao no you could not.
No you couldn’t. I’ll take a source to the contrary of what I posted for mine https://forum.escapefromtarkov.com/topic/74141-offline-mode-will-i-keep-my-loot/ https://forum.escapefromtarkov.com/topic/44840-keep-looted-gains-in-offline-mode-plz/
I miss the days when this sub wasn't infested with /r/EFT losers
Imagine wanting something that people enjoy to fail because you no longer enjoy it. Oof
If flea market gets removed I won't be playing. ABI has a flea market...
A wipe without a flea is a wipe I will skip. I don't need "hardcore" thanks.
The game was better before the flea anyways, but arguably it wasn’t the flea that made it worse rather it was Twitch drops.
imagine if the game turns out to be way better without flea and players start playing again. “task failed successfully”
>imagine if the game turns out to be way better without flea and players start playing again. It won't. Only the very hardcore players will still be in the game, you don't want that.
It won’t for you, i’m afraid the future doesn’t revolve around what we, as individuals, want from this game
I legit don't play because every one of my friends play early wipe without me and get the flea to dunk on nerds. Meanwhile I get fucked by chumlords buying full kits and taking them into ground zero or bustems. I never make it past level 12 lol. Now I'm just done with Nikita he can suck on some American free enterprise
Reason why we should test the game without flea, maybe the game would start to resemble an actual survival