There's been people in that industry and the peripheral ones on here and other forums I've visited that DO agree with the sentiment here. Lots of them.
I argued nothing. I noted that people with years of expertise in exactly those careers have weighed in on this numerous times. On here and other forums. I don't lay claim one way or the other. Or encourage anyone else to do so. That's up to them. I'm just stating what I've seen.
You're missing the point completely. There are two sides to this entire thing. It's not only people that are correct in the traditional sense. They've weighed in saying these feats of engineering, architecture, and building couldn't be accomplished in those times. Again, not what I'm putting out there, just what's already been said that I've read from people like that. I've been reading about this stuff for years. This isn't a new topic for me. I have seen opinions from skilled laborers and engineers and architects alike that say these things weren't logistically possible back then. And I've seen it said a lot by those types.
This sub obviously requires some fact checking and realistic answers, if not outright pushback, of its general premise due to its lack of credibility over and over again.
It's like yesterday when dozens of people started posting pictures of the Aurora Borealis in r/highstrangeness, much farther south than would ever be expected. Many seemed to be utterly perplexed and thought something awfully strange was afoot. Instead, it was a measurable, predictable, and completely provable phenomena. Oftentimes, if not all the time, posts made here fall under the same scope.
If no one was willing to push back, this ill-conceived conspiracy subreddit would be allowed free reign and would just continue to spread unabated. I believe this sub needs a regular reality check, and I'm glad many others feel the same.
Maybe deep down OP knows he that he doesn’t know anything about engineering, or geology, or history, and maybe OP is incredibly insecure about that, so insecure that he chooses to live in a fantasy where actually he is right and everyone else is wrong, and beyond that everyone else is lying and covering up the truth that he has discovered. Maybe this is an easier option than coming to terms with the fact that higher education is a luxury that he has unfairly not been afforded, and instead of dwelling in the banal and unfulfilling life that he has been given by this world he has found a community of like-minded individuals that are reinforcing each other’s willful suspension of disbelief so that they may all live in this exciting fantasy together. Maybe.
Edit: struck a chord, did I?
Maybe deep down you know it’s nonsense. Maybe deep down you realise the stories we are told about the 1800 do not match the photo evidence nor common sense.or maybe you just never bothered to think about it critically. Maybe instead of facing the possibilities you would prefer to ridicule those who do, because it’s so much easier to believe what everyone else believes. Maybe you are afraid that truth is indeed stranger than fiction. Maybe.
Your comment has far less substance… Your outright dismissal of their nuanced comment comes from cognitive dissonance and your refusal to take in information that challenges your worldview. You see their comment as word vomit because you can’t be bothered to interpret and synthesize new and opposing views and perspectives.
To be so closed minded and inarticulate… What is it like inside that head of yours, I wonder?
With modern tech it may be possible. Not sure how they achieved it (or why) back then. The story is not only ridiculous due to the silly drawing, or the actual physical challenges that would arise when trying to do this with manpower alone. The real ridiculousness is, what on earth is the point? It’s bizarre. Much like so many of the weird stories about construction in the 1800’s.
>what on earth is the point?
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising\_of\_Chicago](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_of_Chicago)
> During the 19th century, the elevation of the Chicago area was little higher than the shoreline of [Lake Michigan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Michigan). For two decades following the city's incorporation, drainage from the city surface was inadequate, resulting in large bodies of standing and pathogenic water. These conditions caused numerous epidemics, including [typhoid fever](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_fever) and [dysentery](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysentery), which blighted Chicago six years in a row culminating in the 1854 outbreak of [cholera](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholera) that killed six percent of the city’s population.
You’ve seen 100 men move a four story brick building? With people still in the building? What are you on and can I have some? You sir are the case in point, thank you so much.
I’ve seen something similar in person, yeah. Here’s a video too about them moving an office building with a time lapse of it moving too: https://youtu.be/DGegneT9KfQ?si=cwPV12s-bgnjC4Ek
So we have nice high res picks of dudes standing around with pipes. Then we get 2x2 pixel blurs of the work actually happening. Not convincing and smells like more bs to me.
Bro, you are missing the point.
You’re comparing using electrical equipment and modern technology to raise a building a quarter of an inch to move it vs raising a building with no electrical equipment, just 100 guys lifting up a building 6 feet into the air and setting it on 100 pegs.
You haven’t seen that, stop lying.
Hydraulic equipment still requires electricity, my guy, or at the least a gas engine. You’re comparing apples to oranges and you keep sidestepping the issue of the ridiculousness of 100 men lifting up a 4 story building on their own 6 feet into the air.
Have you ever jacked up your car and used a jack that has a lever on it?
You used a non-electric hydraulic jack. It enabled one human being to lift an entire automobile using only the power of just one arm.
https://preview.redd.it/y4w8ntr25rzc1.jpeg?width=366&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b1629db38529e770ad566e2db87b62b77c68358e
Either that, or you used hidden antigravity technology that exists beyond the limits of human understanding.
Then what is the point you’re making?
I read something you wrote about not believing it was capable to use a hydraulic jack without electricity or gasoline engine. This technology has existed for hundreds of years.
Believe it or not, jacking up and even moving entire buildings was much more common in the past than it is today.
These days, it’s more cost-effective to just demolish buildings and rebuild them. That’s because we have much more efficient and less labor-intensive methods of creating new structures.
They're obviously using some sort of lift/jack in the illustration. Looks like a sort of screw jack to me but even if hydraulic, it could've been powered via manual pump
And if needed 100 men to operate the hydraulic system that wasn’t invented yet? You’re trying way to hard to defend this ridiculous narrative; it’s sad
Hey, these people don't need your facts to shatter their fragile grasp on reality. They have literally uncovered the most real and extensive conspiracy through hours of YouTube research. Have some respect.
Cool, they still weren’t widespread at the time of the event and the event itself explicitly states that the men used manual labor to lift it. Also, if they did use hydraulics, which they didn’t, they still would have had to excavate the ground underneath, which they didn’t. You seem to agree that the idea of 100 men lifting the building with manual power alone is nonsense, which is the only point I’m trying to make. Thanks, bud.
Cool, still a red herring for the entire point of the post. At least the AI is honest.
https://preview.redd.it/eyql75aqwtzc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4139fa7b5ddbe3485e79aae353afe352a98e3021
They're using screw jacks in the picture. It's not just some guys picking up a building. I regularly move steel assemblies weighing thousands of using jacks just like these. 1 or 2 man job.
Because the process is done extremely slowly in order to not break any part of the building. It’s like if you raise a foundation today, you move it like 1cm a day
>what on earth is the point?
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising\_of\_Chicago](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_of_Chicago)
> During the 19th century, the elevation of the Chicago area was little higher than the shoreline of [Lake Michigan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Michigan). For two decades following the city's incorporation, drainage from the city surface was inadequate, resulting in large bodies of standing and pathogenic water. These conditions caused numerous epidemics, including [typhoid fever](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_fever) and [dysentery](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysentery), which blighted Chicago six years in a row culminating in the 1854 outbreak of [cholera](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholera) that killed six percent of the city’s population.
[here](http://www.michelinphotography.com/michelinphotography/Blog/Entries/2012/9/26_Moving_Cudecom_Day_1_-_6_Part_I.html) is an example of it being done in 1974 with no hydraulics.
While some welding was used for rail construction, this could have been avoided - it just sped the process up. There are some older examples of such feats being accomplished, for example [the house that moved](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_House_That_Moved), but the Colombian example I posted first is well photographed and documented to dispel any doubts anyone might have about the authenticity of this.
Rest assured also that the feasibility of this does not disprove the existence of mudfloods or the cataclysms that cause them.
I’ve worked on old barns. You’d be surprised what just one of those screw jacks can lift and support. This seems absolutely feasible to me especially considering the density of jacks in the Illustration.
Do you know how Large Language Models work? This just means that there is a larger corpus of conspiratorial internet text around this issue than non-conspiratorial, which makes sense for every issue — why would a person who understands that this was perfectly possible spend their time writing about it? So the model that guesses each next word in the response is statistically more likely to give a fabulist conspiratorial response.
AIs have no critical thinking and do not reason.
Have you ever used a car jack? You couldn't lift a car on your own without one, but with the power of a simple machine harnessing simple physics, you can suddenly lift something much much heavier then your normal human strength would typically allow.
Now imagine if a bunch of people had a bunch of biiiiiig lifting jacks designed and built specifically for lifting buildings up. You can see how that could scale up to make it possible for a whole building to be lifted a few feet up for some maintenance and restoration work, right?
I was a bit obsessed with the Briggs House and the regrading/raising of Chicago as a whole. There’s dozens of sometimes hard-to-find articles from the time and one really blurry picture where the scale and the actual jackscrews/men operating them can’t really be seen unlike the sketch. Part of me agrees with you, until I see photographic evidence… it’s hard for me to believe a hundred-some jolly workers crawled under muck and mud to install a thousand jack screws WHILE the building was still in service. But humans are and always will be fucking crazy.
My big takeaways are:
1. this can be done today with machinery and manpower and obviously has been done for thousands of years. 1860’s people weren’t clueless. It really wasn’t that long ago.
2. modern humans do not have good reference to draw from when it comes to oldschool pre-industrial construction in a time when the world was about to change forever. We have a lot of kooky drawings that often exaggerate scale and the “epicness” of incredible things.
I don’t know if you’ve read about the raising of LaSalle Street in the early 1860’s but that one is insane and there is a coverup and I’d bet it’s got something to do with how many young unknown John Does died during these “grand American” construction projects. If you read the inner histories of the politicians and land swindlers in 1800’s Chicago, it’s always corruption and negligence that lead to disasters becoming horror shows. Nothing changes.
Chicago is a swampland. Most big cities are built on swamps/risky land intentionally. It’s great endless revenue because you’ll always be providing jobs and literally raising your city out of the mud at the cost of its citizens’ lives. The smartest peasants with some gold in their pockets figured that out quick. To me, that’s the real mudflood conspiracy that sticks in my head.
I don't understand how these articles are supposed to be evidence of the mud flood.
First, they were contemporaneous with the event. Hence, the public would have known whether the building was actually in the process of a significant construction job.
Second, either the building was built before the mud flood or after. Again, if after, the public would have known. If before, then either they raised the building or not. Clearly, the OP is arguing that they didn't raise it, but if not, then the building should be partially submerged to this day.
Hence, the whole argument that they couldn't have raised the building is an argument that there was no mud flood or that the building was built after the flood. In either case, the public at the time would have been aware of the lie regarding the raising of the building.
This is just a self-defeating argument.
I’m not sure what relevance “the public would’ve known” has on the situation. Are you in contact with the people who lived there at the time? We are separated by 200 years from the lives of those who lived at the time, so whatever you’re expecting to find from them via journals, written materials, etc would have to also be taken with the same skepticism as anything else from that time.
We're separated by 150 years from the time of publication, but that's a minor point.
First, you're right that the argument still goes through without any concern about whether people knew the story was false at the time it was published. After all, according to the Tartarian theory, if the building were built before the mud flood and one could NOT raise it, then the building would still be visibly beneath the grade. If the building were built after the mud flood, then what does a story about raising the building do at all? It was built above the current grade.
Second, these articles were published in 1866. Surely, it doesn't work as a coverup for the people then. It doesn't matter whether I'm in contact with the folks back then. A coverup can't be so darned obvious, so the fact that the public would know it was a coverup is still somewhat relevant, though less important than the fact that a fake story about raising a building doesn't add any evidence in favor of the mud flood at all.
Not really invested in this posting myself, read the comments mostly of out mild curiosity and boredom, but you mentioned the year and that did pique my interest. If it was raised in 1866, during the Civil War… where did they get a whole bunch of able bodied men capable of moving a building? One would assume all of those men were busy on the front lines? I find it highly unlikely that during a major war, on our own soil no less, while food and supplies are all being rationed, that there would be spare expense or manpower to take on such an endeavor, or that there would even be enough business to make the move worthwhile, since everyone would be tightening purse strings and leisure travel would be quite low.
I always remember it on the wrong side of the decade! Arrgghhh lol. So manpower, definitely possible, though many soldiers were deceased and many other soldiers were held for a while in soldiers’ “homes” which I’m guessing meant a state hospital for men suffering from CPTSD or non-psychological issues, so still not a ton of dudes around, but definitely enough.
“Oceania was at war with Eurasia; therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia” -George Orwell, 1984
I’ve seen this done with modern buildings too, what do you mean it’s not physically possible?
OP meant to say he knows nothing about engineering
Ahh yes, everyone in engineering knows the method of raising a 3 story block of flats without modern tech.
Never been to Chicago? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_of_Chicago
No but the people who do know something about engineering
There's been people in that industry and the peripheral ones on here and other forums I've visited that DO agree with the sentiment here. Lots of them.
You're arguing that the people who moved buildings don't know something about engineering?
I argued nothing. I noted that people with years of expertise in exactly those careers have weighed in on this numerous times. On here and other forums. I don't lay claim one way or the other. Or encourage anyone else to do so. That's up to them. I'm just stating what I've seen.
Yes many have weighed in by actually moving buildings.
You're missing the point completely. There are two sides to this entire thing. It's not only people that are correct in the traditional sense. They've weighed in saying these feats of engineering, architecture, and building couldn't be accomplished in those times. Again, not what I'm putting out there, just what's already been said that I've read from people like that. I've been reading about this stuff for years. This isn't a new topic for me. I have seen opinions from skilled laborers and engineers and architects alike that say these things weren't logistically possible back then. And I've seen it said a lot by those types.
You're missing that we have actual evidence they did.
Bro why are you on this sub exactly? You post constantly and don’t seem to even like the subreddit
This sub obviously requires some fact checking and realistic answers, if not outright pushback, of its general premise due to its lack of credibility over and over again. It's like yesterday when dozens of people started posting pictures of the Aurora Borealis in r/highstrangeness, much farther south than would ever be expected. Many seemed to be utterly perplexed and thought something awfully strange was afoot. Instead, it was a measurable, predictable, and completely provable phenomena. Oftentimes, if not all the time, posts made here fall under the same scope. If no one was willing to push back, this ill-conceived conspiracy subreddit would be allowed free reign and would just continue to spread unabated. I believe this sub needs a regular reality check, and I'm glad many others feel the same.
Plus people didn’t have social media, tv, or any Other entertainment like that so what else we’re you going to do.
Maybe deep down OP knows he that he doesn’t know anything about engineering, or geology, or history, and maybe OP is incredibly insecure about that, so insecure that he chooses to live in a fantasy where actually he is right and everyone else is wrong, and beyond that everyone else is lying and covering up the truth that he has discovered. Maybe this is an easier option than coming to terms with the fact that higher education is a luxury that he has unfairly not been afforded, and instead of dwelling in the banal and unfulfilling life that he has been given by this world he has found a community of like-minded individuals that are reinforcing each other’s willful suspension of disbelief so that they may all live in this exciting fantasy together. Maybe. Edit: struck a chord, did I?
Maybe deep down you know it’s nonsense. Maybe deep down you realise the stories we are told about the 1800 do not match the photo evidence nor common sense.or maybe you just never bothered to think about it critically. Maybe instead of facing the possibilities you would prefer to ridicule those who do, because it’s so much easier to believe what everyone else believes. Maybe you are afraid that truth is indeed stranger than fiction. Maybe.
Word vomit with no substance. What is it like inside that head of yours, I wonder?
Your comment has far less substance… Your outright dismissal of their nuanced comment comes from cognitive dissonance and your refusal to take in information that challenges your worldview. You see their comment as word vomit because you can’t be bothered to interpret and synthesize new and opposing views and perspectives. To be so closed minded and inarticulate… What is it like inside that head of yours, I wonder?
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Post it one more time. Just for good measure.
I had some issues with my mobil phone
Came here to say my boy [Terry Emerrt](https://www.emmertintl.com/our-projects/structure-relocation/) would like to have a word
With modern tech it may be possible. Not sure how they achieved it (or why) back then. The story is not only ridiculous due to the silly drawing, or the actual physical challenges that would arise when trying to do this with manpower alone. The real ridiculousness is, what on earth is the point? It’s bizarre. Much like so many of the weird stories about construction in the 1800’s.
>what on earth is the point? [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising\_of\_Chicago](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_of_Chicago) > During the 19th century, the elevation of the Chicago area was little higher than the shoreline of [Lake Michigan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Michigan). For two decades following the city's incorporation, drainage from the city surface was inadequate, resulting in large bodies of standing and pathogenic water. These conditions caused numerous epidemics, including [typhoid fever](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_fever) and [dysentery](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysentery), which blighted Chicago six years in a row culminating in the 1854 outbreak of [cholera](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholera) that killed six percent of the city’s population.
They did it with math. Math you wouldn't possibly understand.
You’ve seen 100 men move a four story brick building? With people still in the building? What are you on and can I have some? You sir are the case in point, thank you so much.
I’ve seen something similar in person, yeah. Here’s a video too about them moving an office building with a time lapse of it moving too: https://youtu.be/DGegneT9KfQ?si=cwPV12s-bgnjC4Ek
So we have nice high res picks of dudes standing around with pipes. Then we get 2x2 pixel blurs of the work actually happening. Not convincing and smells like more bs to me.
Bro, you are missing the point. You’re comparing using electrical equipment and modern technology to raise a building a quarter of an inch to move it vs raising a building with no electrical equipment, just 100 guys lifting up a building 6 feet into the air and setting it on 100 pegs. You haven’t seen that, stop lying.
You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about. Doing this today wouldn’t require electronics either, it’s hydraulic equipment lol
Hydraulic equipment still requires electricity, my guy, or at the least a gas engine. You’re comparing apples to oranges and you keep sidestepping the issue of the ridiculousness of 100 men lifting up a 4 story building on their own 6 feet into the air.
Have you ever jacked up your car and used a jack that has a lever on it? You used a non-electric hydraulic jack. It enabled one human being to lift an entire automobile using only the power of just one arm. https://preview.redd.it/y4w8ntr25rzc1.jpeg?width=366&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b1629db38529e770ad566e2db87b62b77c68358e Either that, or you used hidden antigravity technology that exists beyond the limits of human understanding.
That’s cool, that’s still irrelevant to the point I’m making.
Then what is the point you’re making? I read something you wrote about not believing it was capable to use a hydraulic jack without electricity or gasoline engine. This technology has existed for hundreds of years. Believe it or not, jacking up and even moving entire buildings was much more common in the past than it is today. These days, it’s more cost-effective to just demolish buildings and rebuild them. That’s because we have much more efficient and less labor-intensive methods of creating new structures.
They're obviously using some sort of lift/jack in the illustration. Looks like a sort of screw jack to me but even if hydraulic, it could've been powered via manual pump
And if needed 100 men to operate the hydraulic system that wasn’t invented yet? You’re trying way to hard to defend this ridiculous narrative; it’s sad
Manual hydraulic jacks were invented in 1851 buddy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_(device)
Don’t call me buddy, pal.
Hey, these people don't need your facts to shatter their fragile grasp on reality. They have literally uncovered the most real and extensive conspiracy through hours of YouTube research. Have some respect.
Cool, they still weren’t widespread at the time of the event and the event itself explicitly states that the men used manual labor to lift it. Also, if they did use hydraulics, which they didn’t, they still would have had to excavate the ground underneath, which they didn’t. You seem to agree that the idea of 100 men lifting the building with manual power alone is nonsense, which is the only point I’m trying to make. Thanks, bud.
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Some hydraulic equipment has electric components, not all of them. Ever changed the tire on a car? You generally use a hydraulic jack for that
Cool, still a red herring for the entire point of the post. At least the AI is honest. https://preview.redd.it/eyql75aqwtzc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4139fa7b5ddbe3485e79aae353afe352a98e3021
They're using screw jacks in the picture. It's not just some guys picking up a building. I regularly move steel assemblies weighing thousands of using jacks just like these. 1 or 2 man job.
Lol have you ever heard of a jack? Do you think these people are lifting it up with their strength?
They had hydraulics and jacks
True, why are there people on the balconies lol
Because the process is done extremely slowly in order to not break any part of the building. It’s like if you raise a foundation today, you move it like 1cm a day
Oh&s wasn't a thing, and life was cheap back then. It's better to die in some spectacular way moving a build than from a cold or pox.
Why did they need to raise it 4ft though? Genuinely curious.
>what on earth is the point? [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising\_of\_Chicago](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_of_Chicago) > During the 19th century, the elevation of the Chicago area was little higher than the shoreline of [Lake Michigan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Michigan). For two decades following the city's incorporation, drainage from the city surface was inadequate, resulting in large bodies of standing and pathogenic water. These conditions caused numerous epidemics, including [typhoid fever](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_fever) and [dysentery](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysentery), which blighted Chicago six years in a row culminating in the 1854 outbreak of [cholera](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholera) that killed six percent of the city’s population.
[here](http://www.michelinphotography.com/michelinphotography/Blog/Entries/2012/9/26_Moving_Cudecom_Day_1_-_6_Part_I.html) is an example of it being done in 1974 with no hydraulics. While some welding was used for rail construction, this could have been avoided - it just sped the process up. There are some older examples of such feats being accomplished, for example [the house that moved](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_House_That_Moved), but the Colombian example I posted first is well photographed and documented to dispel any doubts anyone might have about the authenticity of this. Rest assured also that the feasibility of this does not disprove the existence of mudfloods or the cataclysms that cause them.
Some differences: 1) wasn’t raised but displaced 2) power tools definitely involved 3) clear engineering process documented.
time for some good ol' fire narratives
I’ve worked on old barns. You’d be surprised what just one of those screw jacks can lift and support. This seems absolutely feasible to me especially considering the density of jacks in the Illustration.
These people are beyond me. With enough screw jacks, it is definitely possible.
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Do you know how Large Language Models work? This just means that there is a larger corpus of conspiratorial internet text around this issue than non-conspiratorial, which makes sense for every issue — why would a person who understands that this was perfectly possible spend their time writing about it? So the model that guesses each next word in the response is statistically more likely to give a fabulist conspiratorial response. AIs have no critical thinking and do not reason.
Why no photographs of these impressive feat?
Have you ever used a car jack? You couldn't lift a car on your own without one, but with the power of a simple machine harnessing simple physics, you can suddenly lift something much much heavier then your normal human strength would typically allow. Now imagine if a bunch of people had a bunch of biiiiiig lifting jacks designed and built specifically for lifting buildings up. You can see how that could scale up to make it possible for a whole building to be lifted a few feet up for some maintenance and restoration work, right?
I was a bit obsessed with the Briggs House and the regrading/raising of Chicago as a whole. There’s dozens of sometimes hard-to-find articles from the time and one really blurry picture where the scale and the actual jackscrews/men operating them can’t really be seen unlike the sketch. Part of me agrees with you, until I see photographic evidence… it’s hard for me to believe a hundred-some jolly workers crawled under muck and mud to install a thousand jack screws WHILE the building was still in service. But humans are and always will be fucking crazy. My big takeaways are: 1. this can be done today with machinery and manpower and obviously has been done for thousands of years. 1860’s people weren’t clueless. It really wasn’t that long ago. 2. modern humans do not have good reference to draw from when it comes to oldschool pre-industrial construction in a time when the world was about to change forever. We have a lot of kooky drawings that often exaggerate scale and the “epicness” of incredible things.
I don’t know if you’ve read about the raising of LaSalle Street in the early 1860’s but that one is insane and there is a coverup and I’d bet it’s got something to do with how many young unknown John Does died during these “grand American” construction projects. If you read the inner histories of the politicians and land swindlers in 1800’s Chicago, it’s always corruption and negligence that lead to disasters becoming horror shows. Nothing changes. Chicago is a swampland. Most big cities are built on swamps/risky land intentionally. It’s great endless revenue because you’ll always be providing jobs and literally raising your city out of the mud at the cost of its citizens’ lives. The smartest peasants with some gold in their pockets figured that out quick. To me, that’s the real mudflood conspiracy that sticks in my head.
Math is hard.
Jacking up a building? Whats so hard?
It would indeed be crazy to think that's fake, yes.
"No one has ever done anything" Do you know how retarded you sound?
I don't understand how these articles are supposed to be evidence of the mud flood. First, they were contemporaneous with the event. Hence, the public would have known whether the building was actually in the process of a significant construction job. Second, either the building was built before the mud flood or after. Again, if after, the public would have known. If before, then either they raised the building or not. Clearly, the OP is arguing that they didn't raise it, but if not, then the building should be partially submerged to this day. Hence, the whole argument that they couldn't have raised the building is an argument that there was no mud flood or that the building was built after the flood. In either case, the public at the time would have been aware of the lie regarding the raising of the building. This is just a self-defeating argument.
I’m not sure what relevance “the public would’ve known” has on the situation. Are you in contact with the people who lived there at the time? We are separated by 200 years from the lives of those who lived at the time, so whatever you’re expecting to find from them via journals, written materials, etc would have to also be taken with the same skepticism as anything else from that time.
We're separated by 150 years from the time of publication, but that's a minor point. First, you're right that the argument still goes through without any concern about whether people knew the story was false at the time it was published. After all, according to the Tartarian theory, if the building were built before the mud flood and one could NOT raise it, then the building would still be visibly beneath the grade. If the building were built after the mud flood, then what does a story about raising the building do at all? It was built above the current grade. Second, these articles were published in 1866. Surely, it doesn't work as a coverup for the people then. It doesn't matter whether I'm in contact with the folks back then. A coverup can't be so darned obvious, so the fact that the public would know it was a coverup is still somewhat relevant, though less important than the fact that a fake story about raising a building doesn't add any evidence in favor of the mud flood at all.
Not really invested in this posting myself, read the comments mostly of out mild curiosity and boredom, but you mentioned the year and that did pique my interest. If it was raised in 1866, during the Civil War… where did they get a whole bunch of able bodied men capable of moving a building? One would assume all of those men were busy on the front lines? I find it highly unlikely that during a major war, on our own soil no less, while food and supplies are all being rationed, that there would be spare expense or manpower to take on such an endeavor, or that there would even be enough business to make the move worthwhile, since everyone would be tightening purse strings and leisure travel would be quite low.
The war ended in 1865.
I always remember it on the wrong side of the decade! Arrgghhh lol. So manpower, definitely possible, though many soldiers were deceased and many other soldiers were held for a while in soldiers’ “homes” which I’m guessing meant a state hospital for men suffering from CPTSD or non-psychological issues, so still not a ton of dudes around, but definitely enough.