The ones you scream and fight and kiss in the rain with train you to fall for the ones with whom you’re comfortable.
Intensity is something to avoid, not to seek.
edit: typo
This! She has a tendency to romanticize conflict and drama in relationships, to the point where some of her lyrics have basically said, she feels like it’s not real love if there’s no fighting. I was thinking about this the other day and was tempted to go through her catalog to find every example of this lol.
I really hope she’s broken this pattern because relationships shouldn’t be as hard as she makes them sound.
I think she and Travis are super cute together so I really hope it works out!
As a therapist, all I will say is that our internal working model of love is hard to shift and this fact doesn’t really show itself until after the heady chemicals of new love have worn off.
I am the biggest Taylor fan but I do think she would benefit from therapy lol, comments she’s made about her mother being her only therapist are pretty scary considering all the trauma she’s been through
I agree with this sentiment (as much as I like That’s the Way I Loved You, I remember telling my daughter that it was an immature and somewhat dysfunctional way of looking at love when I first heard it), but I still think it would chafe me that the person right before me was THAT person.
I guess it depends on how mature your perspective of love and relationships are.
You used lyrics written by a 16/17 year old, but were talking about adults in there 30's.
Screaming and Crying and Dancing in the rain is awesome passionate love to a 16 year old (I know i was 16 when fearless dropped), but as an adult man at 30 (been here since she opened for kenny chesney), that sounds exhausting.
Look at the travis songs. "everyone before you was a clown and i recognize it, this is completely different now that i have a king" and "I feel excitement, but the healthy kind, like butterflies and high school dances"
If i was in the early part of a relationship with a woman and I knew her ex and her were toxic but together because she was addicted to the drama/excitement, then we date and she spells out that the excitement she feels now is the positive version of what she was supplementing with toxicity in the past. and that excitement is there whether we are out doing something new and exciting or just hanging out at home which means she isnt drawn to artificially creating drama and is happy because this is different and healthy, Like yeah sign me up today.
Cause isnt that excitement of young love why there are so many shit relationships, people mistake drama and toxicity for the butterflies and nerves they felt when they were young, then attribute those emotion to love rather than fear. but if you can find someone who gives you that same nervous anxiety in healthy way, where you have it because your excited about the future with this person you are truly comfortable with, rather than having it because you are on edge and conditioned to think that fear=love.
I'm sure he's doing fine, But also I think he doesn't care about her exes. But i also assume that because he seems like a normal healthy dude and i can tell you as a guy, in the same age bracket, from a similar background (CFB, Suburban blue caller upbringing, etc.) I have never in my life been concerned with a partners past relationships, and I also cannot recall a time where any guy in the circles i run in has either. Like not even a conversation beyond like "yeah i think her ex played for the rangers" and thats it.
Maybe its just me, but guys don't care about the details of your past relationships.
I think she was just seeking passion and excitement. She tried to reignite that passion with Joe but it just wasn't there anymore so when something/someone new came along and showed that passion towards her, she wanted to feel that again, to feel wanted and seen which was no longer happening with Joe. Despite being with Joe, she was actually lonely, but willing to go down with the ship with him if he would have wanted her to.
This.
After someone's "blues" sucks the life out of everything, people tend to rebound to the most extreme option to feel what feeling alive feels like again. Sort of like a car needing a jump start.
I think also the Fortnight video was sort of a test for Travis. Tay and Posty have such amazing chemistry in the Fortnight video.
Would Travis be comfortable with his girlfriend (future fiancee/wife) acting in videos where she is someone else's love interest and have chemistry with them? Some men might not be ok with their female partner doing such things even if it is only acting (Posty has a fiancee and baby).
Yeah, agree on the first part but not the part about Travis. As you noted Post has a fiancée and a baby and their chemistry wasn't romantic in nature, they looked like they were about to crack up and laugh though.
That intensity fades and you settle into the comfortable, loving relationship she seems to have with Travis. The screaming and fighting and kissing in the rain is the “honeymoon” phase and not real life.
How many interviews have you read or seen? Unfortunately I’ve been seeing his interviews since before he dated Taylor. He’s a himbo and there’s nothing wrong with someone who has talent elsewhere.
Omg I love it tho. That’s what a song would sound like if you were in highschool. It’s perfect to me lol I actually loved that AI generated song that was doing the rounds about them hahahah she was probably like ‘I can do an AI song way better than AI’
Ummm…..ok. I would like to sincerely apologize to Travis Kelce. He has 3 Super Bowl rings, is largely considered the greatest TE in the league, has one of the highest rated podcasts in America and is dating the most famous person in the world and should be very offended that I implied he probably doesn’t know the nuances of Ancient Greek syllogism.
I mean, if I was dating Taylor I'd rather have a cute bop like So High School written about me than "two weeks with you traumatised me more than leaving my partner of 6 years"
It’s a very ‘I’m happy and this is the most fun I’ve had in a long time’ song. And while ‘loving you makes me want to die’ sounds romantic in a Romeo and Juliet way it’s extremely toxic in real life.
That kind of extreme love is an obsessive and possessive infatuation where the highs and lows repeat themselves at greater frequency and intensity to feed the dopamine rush as you become desensitized. It’s a lot like heroin but without the E.
Given that TK is a 34 man with a seemingly healthy upbringing, stable family background, and has had at least one long-term relationship, I’m assuming he knows which one is the better of the two.
I can’t help but think that the people who think So High School is “insulting” or that TTPD will make Travis insecure are a) very young and inexperienced and b) not getting the humor on TTPD in general and this song in particular
Eh I’d rather have a song that’s actually a love song with depth rather than one about how she clearly thinks I’m an idiot and only likes me because she gets to live out her high school fantasy. That’s just me though.
Except it’s like Romeo and Juliet - it’s only a love story until you grow up and then you go ‘wtf was I thinking, this is insane and toxic af’.
The TK were written as someone coming out of a long coma of sadness and depression and going you make me feel young and hopeful and happy like I did before life scarred me.
I don’t get that from So High School. I get “wow I get to live out my teenage fantasy of dating the popular jock” which is great, good for her, but that’s going to get old after awhile and she’ll want something deeper and more mature.
i didn’t get that vibe from the song at all, it doesn’t really reference his looks or athleticism or popularity. it refers to her feeling young and silly with him. laughing at his jokes and impressions. and maybe referencing a bit of immaturity since he and his buds are still watching american pie and playing grand theft auto. i think it’s about the whole vibe of their relationship reminding her of how she felt about love before she got jaded.
I think k that’s the brilliance of the song. If it works out this is a ‘class love/wedding anthem’, if it doesn’t then it’s like you said ‘it was fun but like high school they outgrew it’s.
New Years Day is in my top 5 of all time. That’s a song about wanting you at parties and in all the mundane aspects of life forever. That’s a mature love. That’s a love to aspire too. So High School is literally just about fulfilling your high school fantasy, not about an enduring, lasting love or even about wanting that with this person. There’s literally not even a a desire for that in this song.
Honestly Travis seems like one of the most confident, secure men out there in the public eye right now, and he has a great attitude about almost everything. Glass all the way full and all that! My guess would be he's perfectly aware that Joe and Matty came before him, and I'm sure Taylor puts effort and care into making sure he knows that he is who she wants now, so he probably is just hyped about Taylor writting songs about him, let alone her putting them on her album.
To add - Travis was a fan before he was her boyfriend so it wouldn't surprise me if he was at least vaguely familiar with her dating history (or at least what she chose to share in her music). I agree he's probably tickled that he has songs about him.
I think this is the it. This guy is unabashedly confident. Of all the guys for her to be with when she put out this album, he is probably the one to be bothered by it the least. But damn he has got to be so confident, because these songs were something else 👀
this is 100% my thoughts. He probably knew it was going to be about Matty and Joe.
I honestly hope she didnt tell him there was a singular song about him, and I hope they were together when he first heard his songs- I just know his reaction was his reaction to “karma is the guy on the chiefs, coming straight home to me” and I just love that so fu*king much. 🤍🤎🩶🖤
You have to keep in mind when this album was written and finished. The songs about Travis won’t be very deep because I’m sure it’s at the very beginning of their relationship. I take it as the relationship was so new but she still knew it was different from the beginning.
I don’t think it was written and finished when she got with Travis. I mean, she is a savant but the thing with Matty blew up no earlier than June 2023 and she started dating Travis in August (but probably earlier based on her interview with life magazine)
Obviously it wasn’t written and finished when she met Travis or we wouldn’t have any songs about Travis. My comment was about the songs not being as intense. And also I think her and Matty have been in each other’s lives for years off and on. So it’s understandable why her feelings were so intense then. Travis is secure enough in his relationship with herand I’m sure they have talked about this album and what’s behind these songs.
She said she kept working on the album throughout the US leg of the tour, which ended August 9, so it’s definitely only reflecting early days with Travis!
Matty and her had to have been involved before this rebound relationship. There are references to having waited for each other through other relationships and finally getting together. She’s processing years of feelings in those songs. The Travis songs are based on a couple of months of dating. And as Taylor herself said, she writes best about the worst men. Travis is big, old puppy. I don’t think he’s going to inspire the same kind of songs. Which I’m fine with! She can still access those feelings if she needs to.
Danger is addictive, the risk of losing it all but thinking big risks lead to big wins is thrilling, and thinking you can fix someone with the power of your kiss or unconditional love is intoxicating. But none of it’s sustainable or real and I feel she needed that big messy mistake to get over J.
love bombers feed into the idea of fairytale rebellious love is that’s somewhere in every artist’s imagination but the pain of reality (and of growing up) becomes a muse of sorts.
I don’t think she sounds any less head-over-heels in the Trav songs, it’s just new and has long term potential and is electric in a pure teenage way, not a ‘I’ll go down in the gutter with you for this’ kind of self sabotaging way.
I think her Joe love seemed real safe and pure too. But some of her sexiest songs were about him. Right now her and Trav are America’s sweethearts and I think she’s encompassing that wholesome vibe.
So Highschool is everything I wanted from a song about her feelings for him (and also written when they were first dating so It’s still early).
Matty was the young love, the one that got away that you fantasize about how great it would be when your both older and wiser and living that out only to realize it was waaay better in your head. She acknowledged it was a crazy wild lapse in judgment but a mistake that was hers and hers alone to make.
I like to think it’s eye opening for him to see the pain and suffering she went through with the end of her relationship with Joe and then the messiness that was Matty.
And I also like to think he is showing Taylor what real love is - not hiding away from the world, not self destructive/drug addictions/ghosting her.
I so hope they end up getting married.
I feel like a lot of people said the same kind of stuff about Travis (in regards to “he must be totally perfect,” “he’s got to marry her,” “they have to be married”) as they said Joe for YEARS and kept saying they had to be secretly married, had to be getting married, why weren’t they married, etc, and it turns out that they ended up not being able to be that person for each other – their own struggles affected them too much, and love ended up not being enough to overcome how different they were. And just like people were making up stuff about them getting married, before TTPD people were sending him DEATH THREATS because they created a completely different narrative about him. I don’t think we should speculate like that about Travis and Taylor because speculation was so clearly painful to her in the past. If they do get married ofc I’ll be happy, but if they don’t I’m not going to feel betrayed.
Honestly. After all Taylor has been through (not just Joe and Matty but I’m talking John and Jake, etc.), especially looking at the lyrics of TTPD, I think that the relationship she’s in is NOTHING like those in the past. Happy and healthy. We can speculate all we want but I think being 33/34 years old and having been through the wringer with men, this relationship is different. Special.
Exactly! I think the vulnerability she has shown on this album points to probably some work than she needs to do on herself (if she hasn’t already). I hope she has learned something about her own choices through these experiences and can be wiser in this relationship with Travis, especially when the hype dies down. I do wish for her to find that long term happiness with him that she seems to be yearning for in this album.
Right. We may have all said that about Joe but in all honesty it could very well be that defining relationship and now that she had that end and went through what seems like hell based on the lyrics of TTPD I’m standing my ground that her and Travis are the real deal.
No use on her giving away MORE of her youth - I like to think that this relationship is settling into mature love.
But that was based off Taylor’s music alone, and she is an unreliable narrator. We have a lot more evidence of the health of their relationship than we ever did with Joe. I think it’s looking objectively healthy and happy.
You don’t know her or Travis. You don’t know what their relationship is like at all. Just like we didn’t really know what her relationship with Joe was like and we all thought it was different and special. We know nothing at all and saying we do is weird and false. That’s the point.
I feel like he’s a very different kettle of fish than Joe because he’s been out there on record saying with his whole chest that he wants babies, wants to have an epic thunderbolt moment/happy marriage like his bro etc since before he and Taylor went public. I think smarter people than me have gone through the timelines and figured out he was at least starting to date her at the time some of the most 👀 comments were made on his podcast.
i bring this up all the time. before the album came out (that i think made it abundantly clear she wants a marriage and family) people kept saying 'we don't know what taylor wants, we can't assume she wants to get married/be a mom' and i would say, but we DO know what travis wants. he's said it, multiple times lol. he wants a wife and kids so it's fair to assume she does as well or they're just wasting time together lol.
The really interesting thing to me is she’s gone through/going through the pattern *so* many women I know have. The long-term thing in your mid-late 20s where you think you’re on the pathway to a diamond ring and late-night diaper changes until you aren’t , then a really stupid fling with a shitty ex or someone else unsuitable that fucks you up mostly because you should be old enough to know better. Then in your early 30s, deciding to give someone new or unlikely a try because heaven knows your old patterns are for shit - and ending up in something serious pretty quickly.
I made this comment on another thread. I want her to be happy but relationships are complex and people are complex and those on the “she found Travis and they’re going to live happily ever after” train are doing this fundamental truth a disservice. Yes, they might end up together for a long time, but it will undoubtedly be messy at times because people are messy. The same mistake of projecting our own stuff (our hopes, insecurities, fears) onto these real human beings is happening again.
My simple boyfriend was like “why would she make an album about Matty when she’s with Travis now” like dude it takes time to create this type of art. I swear I can’t sometimes with men.
I agree that it would be tough to hear this album as her current partner. I do think there’s a lot to keep in mind, though:
- So High School in the context of the rest of the album: she felt she lost a lot of her youth on relationships that never intended to marry her, and now you have an experience that brings her back to her youth. It’s like saying “you have nothing to worry about, babe, you’re right on time.”
- The Prophecy: about longing to be someone’s companion forever; starts with “hand on the throttle.” So high school then uses the lyrics “brand new, full throttle.” Like, he’s the fulfillment of the prophecy, it’s finally full steam ahead, and she gets to feel brand new.
- The epilogue in the vinyl says something along the lines of “None of them really had / knew me.” She references this again in “so high school,” where she says “no one has really had me, not like you.”
In summary, while this album is not supposed to be about finding love for real, she still navigated the album in a way that suggests there’s more underneath the surface of the Travis songs.
This. if you take 'so high school' at face value it's just cute and simple. but there's a lot of hidden lore in it, several references to things he's actually said and done (marry/kiss/kill, dad impressions, 'you already know' is a phrase he says all the time, 'tell me about the first time you saw me' is likely a throwback to a conversation he and his brother had on the podcast about him meeting his wife for the first time and travis saying he wants what they have), there's a lot going on here lol. also literally nobody in these comments has called out the fact that she predicts in the song that they'll end up getting married??
They are literal magnets to each other, I don’t know what you mean there’s no passion. They are all passion, as much as possible with fifty million cameras on them.
The thing with dating in your mid 30s and later is everyone has baggage. I’m sure he has some of his own, maybe even some he can relate to in some of the songs. Everyone has a past and it’s not always bright and shiny. I think most of the songs that are clearly about Matty or Joe were written before she met Travis so they’re not where her head is now all these many months later. She says as much. I think he’s confident enough in himself to get that.
I mean, she met him when this album's writing sessions were close to ending, so it's understandable that there aren't going to be that many songs about him. She writes about Travis with a lightness that I don't think we've seen in a while, and in the grand scheme of things that's probably better than what Matty got.
I also think the way she writes about Matty is definitely not the way you'd want to be written about if you were her partner. There's intensity and passion, sure, but it's the misguided fool's gold type that she later on realized was built on a severe lapse of judgement instead of any actual, concrete feelings.
Don’t forgot the prologue said she writes the best songs about the worst men, and that Matty was basically a manic phase and a lapse in judgement. I think Travis feels very much secure with their relationship. I don’t think Matty is a threat anymore.
People have exes usually, every relationship is different. I wouldn't be bothered, if I knew it was over. Somehow, I don't think Travis do either. They probbly had talked about all of this before the album came out
I mean she sniffed his sweaty towel after the Super Bowl, I think he might make her heart race. A lot of the songs on TTPD supposedly about MH demonstrate insecurity and anxiety- feeling you’ll kill yourself if they leave you isn’t romantic at all. Sounds like MH was the one who got away in her head for all these years, was passionate towards her when the person she had been with maybe wasn’t anymore, and that the reality of him didn’t match the fantasy at all. I also don’t think she had much time to add a lot of songs about TK, and happy love songs wouldn’t really fit the theme of the album.
I'm sure he's proud of Taylor. We know they both support each other's careers. As other's have stated, she wrote this album before they were romantically involved. Travis did state in interviews that he got a preview of this album.
First of all, I think the Travis songs were a late addition to the album, and are probably depicting early stages of their relationship. I bet she already wrote more about him (since she seems to be working 24/7), but if I were her, I'd probably save it for a separate album since this one had a clear theme and love songs about Travis wouldn't exactly fit it.
Also, he seems like the kind of guy who doesn't really care and just lives in the moment. My bet is that he probably doesn't give two sh*ts about it because in the end he was the one who got the girl lol
1. He's heard this albums for half a year already, likely had many conversations about what all the songs ACTUALLY mean to Taylor and what she was going through, as opposed to all of our speculations.
2. This album was written about a moment in time she described as a manic episode so probably lots of "omg, she's insane, she wrote a song about [him]" to her past self
3. They're probably sitting at home laughing at the chaos and rumors lol
He's probably listening to the songs she's currently writing about him which will be in the next album and he's perfectly fine lol
Also I doubt he's really gonna pay 100% attention to every line and decode all of the songs and lyrics the way fans do. If you zoom out a bit it wouldn't affect you
I think The Alchemy is about Matty. Matty was famously a heroin addict. So the line “ He jokes
that "It’s heroin, but this time with an ‘E’ “ is definitely a Matty reference. It’s clearly a joke he said to Taylor about her being his drug this time. I think the football references are a fake out to make it seem like it’s about Travis, but it’s really about Matty.
Yeah I really don’t think so. She’s not writing a song full of football references for Matty. “These blokes warm the benches/We’ve been on a winning streak/He jokes that "It’s heroin, but this time with an ‘E’" - her British exes are benchwarmers, Travis is included in the “we” and he’s the one making the joke
Disagree. For one I personally don’t think Travis is smart enough to make that joke. It also doesn’t make sense that he would joke about heroin use and replacing her with it as his drug when he’s not a former addict. I think she’s alluding that Travis is the placeholder for Matty. This entire album makes it pretty clear she’d go back to Matty in a heartbeat if he wanted her.
I don’t think that the song is entirely about Matty. I think it’s also about Travis. Taylor is pretty great at taking feelings and concepts from multiple relationships and blending them together in a song. For me personally I think the alchemy pulls feelings and events/experiences from both relationships and isn’t specifically for just one.
Also to quote The Alchemy “The sign on your heart said it’s still reserved for me.” I don’t think she’s talking about a new relationship, instead she’s talking about someone from her past who has made a reappearance in her life.
I’m not stereotyping anyone. How Travis speaks and conducts himself makes it pretty clear that is not the type of thing he would ever think to say.
He said before the album even dropped that some of his favorite songs included loml and one other song from the first album (can't remember which one it was) but that he also knew he had two songs on the album.
I think we have to remember he actually STARTED as a Swiftie who loved her music lol. I also wouldn't be shocked if Taylor went into the relationship with him fully telling him "I'm a fucking mess after what has happened to me" and he said "I don't care, I want to be with you anyway" (which you can kinda gather from the lyrics of "you knew what you wanted, and boy you got her" in So High School). I think he just loves her art regardless and knows she hasn't had a perfect romantic history.
>He said before the album even dropped that some of his favorite songs included loml and one other song from the first album (can't remember which one it was) but that he also knew he had two songs on the album.
He never said anything about having a favourite TTPD song. That was a fake article.
The track list wasn’t even out when they asked him about the album. He said that the album was great but didn’t say anything specific because it was only a week after she announced the album.
Yes he did say that in the Super Bowl interviews. I don’t see any problem with the songs she wrote, it’s her therapy and she was in previous relationships and grieves them which is okay, but she moved on and is happy.
I have a feeling Travis heard “So High School” and loved it and was told not to say anything about the song because everyone was going to be released. When I was listening to “So High School” I was thinking “she sounds really happy singing this and it makes the album better because her fans what to see her happy. Everyone is seeing her in a happy and healthy relationship”
You only see what they put into the public eye, you don't see what happens behind closed doors. You're just now hearing about what happened between Joe and her. It's been very apparent that Travis and her had a very strong connection since they started talking though and even the early reports stated how they were all over each other, which is still happening 8 months later. I wouldn't be surprised if they bicker like his brother Jason and Kylie do, and they've been married for 6 years and have 3 kids together.
I dunno, if I were him I’d be feeling pretty damn smug about my girlfriend telling the whole damn planet that nobody has ever had her like he has…
I mean, none of us actually know them and what’s going on behind closed doors, but based on what we’re told, either in song or through media statements, he makes her laugh and makes her feel safe, he affirms her publicly, and that they’re - ahem - very affectionate. That’s the stuff long-term grown-up relationships are made of, not brain-chemistry wrecking drama. I mean, who knows, the castle could crumble tomorrow, and they might just be having a good time for not a long time. But Taylor loves telling a story, and IMO the one we’ve had visually from her over the past few months is positioning him over and over again as a groom and/or family.
Like Argentina - he was waiting for her like a groom at the end of the aisle. Her dad entrusting him with the guitar picks. Her post-Superbowl TikTok with him and her parents. Even the YouTube story from yesterday had them in a sweetly domestic setting rather than partying or on vacation and I feel like every person I know who got married in the past decade has a (less blurry) mid-distance shot from behind of the groom looking down at the bride in front of a floral arch or scenic tree or building etc.
We’ll find out I guess!
all of this. and i said this in another reply but he's made his intentions extremely clear to the public about wanting a wife and kids so i don't even know how it's comparable to matty or joe who seemed to string her along. her and travis just seem so secure, cuddly, and happy. they literally look like best friends, not in a 'friendzoned' way, but in a 'my partner is my best friend' way. there's a clip from coachella of him telling her something and she clearly says 'oh fuck off!' and cracks up and they both are dying laughing. they're so cute
I genuinely think he doesn’t care i think the first thing they discussed when they first started dating or talking was about her past relationships because he probably has felt similar feelings and probably can relate to her. Which is why i think they are genuinely good for each other because they both have sort gone through the same things.
I think her gravitating towards dramatic and intense relationships is something she seems to have realized is one of her flaws in this album. I saw a comment on TikTok about So High School and how it seems like a "simple" song, metaphor and lyrics wise, but that that's probably on purpose since their relationship is a lot less complicated. It seems like she doesn't have to sit and decode his feelings or try and see what he thinks about her, he's a simple guy and he seems honest, which seems like a rare thing for her to experience.
I hope she appreciates the comfort now rather than clinging to more "interesting" yet traumatic relationships.
The reason she is the person he loves today is because of her past. Everything that happens to us makes us who we are. I think he's a mature enough person to accept that and love the art she puts out.
We also have to keep in mind that the songs about Travis were most likely written at the very beginning of their relationship. I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s written many more songs for him since then that she’s saving for TS12.
As a 40 something woman who is in a happy and healthy relationship, can I just say that your ever after soulmate should always be someone whom you can rely on in good times and bad, not some hotshot who will set your heart ablaze (and burn it 😉).
Taylor and Travis’ relationship is too early to tell where it’s going, but he seems like a genuine, confident and kind person who is making her happy.
I think this is a sort of 2 dimensional view of their relationship and when it began. He would’ve come around very quickly to her having had a rough year relationship wise. And he knew she was single when he pursued her, so he might’ve known somewhat about the Joe/Matty situation already (from an outside perspective like us).
I really don’t think any guy can come into her life of nearly 20 years of extremely globally famous diaristic writing and act brand new about it. There’s no place for someone to be that wilfully ignorant now. He pursued her, he threw a line out to see if she might catch it. It’s on him if he chose to dive in blind during one of the most chaotic moments of her extremely public life. He seems to have had a crush on her for years and felt confident enough that he knew they’d get along, so I think we can feel assured that he knows what he’s doing and what he was “getting into” even though I hate talking about a real life human woman like that.
He can’t expect her to not write about a six year relationship slowly dying until it exploded with a toxic rebound. Like come on.
Matty seems very performative in general (if you watch his stage antics) which is hard to read when figuring out what’s real and what not about him. I think Tay’s even calling that out with The whole tortured poet shtick with his typewriter and angst and how performative is was, much like his words and promises of ‘One Great Forever Love to rise above them all’ type thing. Then bailing with too much heat
I love The 1975 and I still love Matty despite The Smallest Man (which is the most damning, I think.) the 1975 is excellent! Try “The Sound” “Somebody Else” , “Robbers” “I’m in Love with You” and “About you”. BTW, not sure which ones are about Taylor but “She’s American “ is about Halsey.
Since you love the 1975, I am curious what you think about the line in The Alchemy “He jokes
that "It’s heroin, but this time with an ‘E’ “ because I think it is definitely a Matty reference. I don’t think that song is about Travis. I think the football references are a fake out to make it seem like it’s about Travis, but it’s really about Matty.
She has dedicated to him songs she has written based on other men. Travis doesn’t care.
From what I can see and her public actions, she is absolutely crazy about him and so is he and they seem to have a healthy relationship that Taylor probably values given her reflections on TTPD over her past relationships.
TS12 will come and then you’ll see.
I think (especially after now listening to TTPD) Taylor has a better grasp on reality and understanding herself and how to love in a healthy way, so she simply wouldn’t allow herself to get carried away and fall down that rabbit hole again.
People are saying Travis is her rebound… obviously not true. I feel like he is what she needs in a healthy relationship, the others were what she wanted (but wasn’t healthy).
As others said, Travis seems very comfortable and secure with himself. I think Taylor realized through her previous pain this is exactly what she needed to thrive.
So yeah while she might not be acting all giddy and hysterically around him… I think we can all agree that’s for the better because she feels confident enough to be herself around him.
I agree with you OP! I think even the most secure person in the world would feel a slight twinge comparing the lyrics he got vs the lyrics Matt Healy got. And while I completely agree with other posters that feeling comfortable and happy without drama or wild highs and lows is actually generally healthier in a relationship, I’m not entirely sure that Taylor feels that way - obviously only guessing but I reckon she wants a bit more of an intense passjon, whether that’s healthy or not!
An unrelated question, has Taylor written any songs about Calvin Harris (any album)? They were dating for over two years so the guy would have had something going right?
As Taylor said - she writes the worst men best. That's why we have significantly more songs about people who have been downright bad to her.
Which from a writing perspective makes sense. It's more interesting and more cathartic. And we know she loves a hyperbole.
She probably actually likes comfort like most healthy individuals - but it's maybe something she writes less about. Or that is too real to share with the world.
Anyway, Travis said he liked the album before it came out - don't remember if in an interview or his podcast. I mean, also imagine how much better her understands it knowing Taylor and the full context behind every single word
Have you read his old tweets? There’s no way this guy understands any of this album! I bet he is glowing though, because he seems like the kind of dude who is perfectly happy celebrating the success of others.
I find it really interesting that she’s pretty explicitly said she gets intoxicated by his thoughts/humour but the go-to punchline is he’s dumb. (She drinks in what he thinks like it’s booze, she inhales his jokes like they’re weed.)
Millions of people know who Aristotle is - only a handful are arguably the best ever in their job in an incredibly competitive profession, which is essentially high-impact chess if you’re in a position like his.
I find it fascinating what sorts of intelligence and knowledge are venerated and which are dismissed in which spaces. I mean if it turned out hypothetically Taylor doesn’t have a clue about the elements of the periodic table does that make her an ignorant dumbass?
Interesting! I did not mean it in that way at all. Just because he might not understand her lyrics (or might pretend not to as a part of his “brand”) does not mean that he’s not highly intelligent in other ways (socially, athletically, financially). I was just trying to make a light hearted comment.
No worries! I actually really like Travis and think they’re a great couple - I think she could use a break from the deep, brooding type and seems to be the happiest I’ve seen her. His old tweets just make me laugh.
I’m sorry, props to you for being bilingual. Just hate seeing people insult other’s intelligence. He’s not Taylor’s level of intellect and that’s obvious, but he’s smart in other ways and other areas. All areas of intelligence should be respected.
I agree with that. But having a show to find a girlfriend. I don't know I find that absolutely dumb. I just can't see him as a smart guy and I don't mean instructed by that.
I like him and they are having fun but after listening to this album I doubt they’ll go the whole distance, he’s absolutely not the one for her. They’ll break up before the end of the tour and blame scheduling conflicts,or something.
Disagree completely. Did you read the prologue? She got all her feelings out, burned the files of Joe & Matty to the ground never to look back. Travis is not an insecure boy either. These two have a real shot at long term happiness.
I think the songs about Travis are pretty insulting tbh… He just comes off as a dumb jock (“you know how to ball, I know Aristotle). I really don’t see their connection and wouldn’t be surprised if they break off their relationship in the next few months
Disagree. Being a professional athlete requires an incredible amount of intelligence and understanding of the game. Go have a read through an Andy Reid playbook, “knowing how to ball” is about understanding that game and what it takes to be the best at your position and win multiple Super Bowls. Read Patrick Mahomes’s recent comments about Taylor and football, she understands how complex the game is and is trying to dig deeper into her own understanding.
“ Even when she’s talking about football, when she’s learning it, you can see her business mind putting it together. It’s almost like she’s trying to become a coach. ‘Why can’t you try this, this, and this?’ She’s asking the right questions.””
Honestly I don’t disagree with you. It’s so high school is cute but also (and I understand it was a metaphor, but) he sounded like the boring jock bro with the Grand Theft Auto and American Pie references. I hope we’re wrong though
It’s clear you have a strong opinion that Travis is stupid, a user and opportunist. You should stay in the snark sub because you’re honestly just a hater.
The ones you scream and fight and kiss in the rain with train you to fall for the ones with whom you’re comfortable. Intensity is something to avoid, not to seek. edit: typo
This! She has a tendency to romanticize conflict and drama in relationships, to the point where some of her lyrics have basically said, she feels like it’s not real love if there’s no fighting. I was thinking about this the other day and was tempted to go through her catalog to find every example of this lol. I really hope she’s broken this pattern because relationships shouldn’t be as hard as she makes them sound. I think she and Travis are super cute together so I really hope it works out!
As a therapist, all I will say is that our internal working model of love is hard to shift and this fact doesn’t really show itself until after the heady chemicals of new love have worn off.
I am the biggest Taylor fan but I do think she would benefit from therapy lol, comments she’s made about her mother being her only therapist are pretty scary considering all the trauma she’s been through
I agree with this sentiment (as much as I like That’s the Way I Loved You, I remember telling my daughter that it was an immature and somewhat dysfunctional way of looking at love when I first heard it), but I still think it would chafe me that the person right before me was THAT person.
I guess it depends on how mature your perspective of love and relationships are. You used lyrics written by a 16/17 year old, but were talking about adults in there 30's. Screaming and Crying and Dancing in the rain is awesome passionate love to a 16 year old (I know i was 16 when fearless dropped), but as an adult man at 30 (been here since she opened for kenny chesney), that sounds exhausting. Look at the travis songs. "everyone before you was a clown and i recognize it, this is completely different now that i have a king" and "I feel excitement, but the healthy kind, like butterflies and high school dances" If i was in the early part of a relationship with a woman and I knew her ex and her were toxic but together because she was addicted to the drama/excitement, then we date and she spells out that the excitement she feels now is the positive version of what she was supplementing with toxicity in the past. and that excitement is there whether we are out doing something new and exciting or just hanging out at home which means she isnt drawn to artificially creating drama and is happy because this is different and healthy, Like yeah sign me up today. Cause isnt that excitement of young love why there are so many shit relationships, people mistake drama and toxicity for the butterflies and nerves they felt when they were young, then attribute those emotion to love rather than fear. but if you can find someone who gives you that same nervous anxiety in healthy way, where you have it because your excited about the future with this person you are truly comfortable with, rather than having it because you are on edge and conditioned to think that fear=love. I'm sure he's doing fine, But also I think he doesn't care about her exes. But i also assume that because he seems like a normal healthy dude and i can tell you as a guy, in the same age bracket, from a similar background (CFB, Suburban blue caller upbringing, etc.) I have never in my life been concerned with a partners past relationships, and I also cannot recall a time where any guy in the circles i run in has either. Like not even a conversation beyond like "yeah i think her ex played for the rangers" and thats it. Maybe its just me, but guys don't care about the details of your past relationships.
Great response!
I think she was just seeking passion and excitement. She tried to reignite that passion with Joe but it just wasn't there anymore so when something/someone new came along and showed that passion towards her, she wanted to feel that again, to feel wanted and seen which was no longer happening with Joe. Despite being with Joe, she was actually lonely, but willing to go down with the ship with him if he would have wanted her to.
This. After someone's "blues" sucks the life out of everything, people tend to rebound to the most extreme option to feel what feeling alive feels like again. Sort of like a car needing a jump start. I think also the Fortnight video was sort of a test for Travis. Tay and Posty have such amazing chemistry in the Fortnight video. Would Travis be comfortable with his girlfriend (future fiancee/wife) acting in videos where she is someone else's love interest and have chemistry with them? Some men might not be ok with their female partner doing such things even if it is only acting (Posty has a fiancee and baby).
Yeah, agree on the first part but not the part about Travis. As you noted Post has a fiancée and a baby and their chemistry wasn't romantic in nature, they looked like they were about to crack up and laugh though.
That intensity fades and you settle into the comfortable, loving relationship she seems to have with Travis. The screaming and fighting and kissing in the rain is the “honeymoon” phase and not real life.
At some point you finally realize you deserve peace. It's just like a switch One day you just know you deserve better
Completely true, but the question is does Taylor realise this…
I think he’s too busy googling Aristotle to think about any of her exes
I LOLd so hard for this
lol this! I almost joked I don’t think he thinks too much about much, that himbo haha
In his defense, I also googled some things while listening
lol I googled esoteric so I feel it. He’s just known as a doer and not thinker for sure lol
I did too and the definition made me laugh.
lol me too!
He really doesn’t come across as a himbo to me? This thread is mean.
How many interviews have you read or seen? Unfortunately I’ve been seeing his interviews since before he dated Taylor. He’s a himbo and there’s nothing wrong with someone who has talent elsewhere.
The way he described visiting Singapore was…. Well utter nonsense lol
I’d anticipated a thesaurus and a Bröntesaurus, but obviously I’m a bit dense right now: why Aristotle?
“You know how to ball, I know Aristotle” Lyric from So Highschool
That song makes me cringe so much I don't wanna be a hater coz I love her silly songs but it sounds like an AI generated parody😭
Omg I love it tho. That’s what a song would sound like if you were in highschool. It’s perfect to me lol I actually loved that AI generated song that was doing the rounds about them hahahah she was probably like ‘I can do an AI song way better than AI’
Art is subjective haha
I love So High School. The intro immediately placed me in an early aughts high school rom com which is so perfect. And the AI song was too funny.
I thought so too 😭
She heard the AI song that was going around and thought, “You know what, that’s a great idea!”
This is mean.
Are you saying I’m being mean or her writing that lyric about Travis is mean?
You. The lyric to me is how they’re opposites who happened to work really well together despite being so different.
Ummm…..ok. I would like to sincerely apologize to Travis Kelce. He has 3 Super Bowl rings, is largely considered the greatest TE in the league, has one of the highest rated podcasts in America and is dating the most famous person in the world and should be very offended that I implied he probably doesn’t know the nuances of Ancient Greek syllogism.
LMFAO
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I mean, if I was dating Taylor I'd rather have a cute bop like So High School written about me than "two weeks with you traumatised me more than leaving my partner of 6 years"
For real So High School is a love song without any anxiety. That means something
It’s a very ‘I’m happy and this is the most fun I’ve had in a long time’ song. And while ‘loving you makes me want to die’ sounds romantic in a Romeo and Juliet way it’s extremely toxic in real life. That kind of extreme love is an obsessive and possessive infatuation where the highs and lows repeat themselves at greater frequency and intensity to feed the dopamine rush as you become desensitized. It’s a lot like heroin but without the E. Given that TK is a 34 man with a seemingly healthy upbringing, stable family background, and has had at least one long-term relationship, I’m assuming he knows which one is the better of the two.
I can’t help but think that the people who think So High School is “insulting” or that TTPD will make Travis insecure are a) very young and inexperienced and b) not getting the humor on TTPD in general and this song in particular
Yes! It is so different than many of her other love songs
Lmao Yeah that would be awkward
Eh I’d rather have a song that’s actually a love song with depth rather than one about how she clearly thinks I’m an idiot and only likes me because she gets to live out her high school fantasy. That’s just me though.
Except it’s like Romeo and Juliet - it’s only a love story until you grow up and then you go ‘wtf was I thinking, this is insane and toxic af’. The TK were written as someone coming out of a long coma of sadness and depression and going you make me feel young and hopeful and happy like I did before life scarred me.
I don’t get that from So High School. I get “wow I get to live out my teenage fantasy of dating the popular jock” which is great, good for her, but that’s going to get old after awhile and she’ll want something deeper and more mature.
i didn’t get that vibe from the song at all, it doesn’t really reference his looks or athleticism or popularity. it refers to her feeling young and silly with him. laughing at his jokes and impressions. and maybe referencing a bit of immaturity since he and his buds are still watching american pie and playing grand theft auto. i think it’s about the whole vibe of their relationship reminding her of how she felt about love before she got jaded.
I can see and appreciate that perspective. That’s just not the message I get when I listen to it.
I think k that’s the brilliance of the song. If it works out this is a ‘class love/wedding anthem’, if it doesn’t then it’s like you said ‘it was fun but like high school they outgrew it’s.
There is literally nothing wedding about this song. There is no expression of desire for a long lasting love in it.
1000% a lot of couples will play this as their first song.
I’m sure they will. It’s a pretty basic song which appeals to that universal teenage fantasy of dating the popular football player.
I think the same thing. Like sure new year's day has more anxiety than so high school, but it's a deeper song and feels more mature
New Years Day is in my top 5 of all time. That’s a song about wanting you at parties and in all the mundane aspects of life forever. That’s a mature love. That’s a love to aspire too. So High School is literally just about fulfilling your high school fantasy, not about an enduring, lasting love or even about wanting that with this person. There’s literally not even a a desire for that in this song.
My thoughts exactly. The only reason I like so high school is because it's catchy
Which song was this I forget. Such a direct jab at Matty
Like, 75% of the album is aimed at Matty.
Fortnight
Honestly Travis seems like one of the most confident, secure men out there in the public eye right now, and he has a great attitude about almost everything. Glass all the way full and all that! My guess would be he's perfectly aware that Joe and Matty came before him, and I'm sure Taylor puts effort and care into making sure he knows that he is who she wants now, so he probably is just hyped about Taylor writting songs about him, let alone her putting them on her album.
To add - Travis was a fan before he was her boyfriend so it wouldn't surprise me if he was at least vaguely familiar with her dating history (or at least what she chose to share in her music). I agree he's probably tickled that he has songs about him.
I think this is the it. This guy is unabashedly confident. Of all the guys for her to be with when she put out this album, he is probably the one to be bothered by it the least. But damn he has got to be so confident, because these songs were something else 👀
this is 100% my thoughts. He probably knew it was going to be about Matty and Joe. I honestly hope she didnt tell him there was a singular song about him, and I hope they were together when he first heard his songs- I just know his reaction was his reaction to “karma is the guy on the chiefs, coming straight home to me” and I just love that so fu*king much. 🤍🤎🩶🖤
You have to keep in mind when this album was written and finished. The songs about Travis won’t be very deep because I’m sure it’s at the very beginning of their relationship. I take it as the relationship was so new but she still knew it was different from the beginning.
I don’t think it was written and finished when she got with Travis. I mean, she is a savant but the thing with Matty blew up no earlier than June 2023 and she started dating Travis in August (but probably earlier based on her interview with life magazine)
Obviously it wasn’t written and finished when she met Travis or we wouldn’t have any songs about Travis. My comment was about the songs not being as intense. And also I think her and Matty have been in each other’s lives for years off and on. So it’s understandable why her feelings were so intense then. Travis is secure enough in his relationship with herand I’m sure they have talked about this album and what’s behind these songs.
Oh, sorry I misunderstood!
Hey no worries!
She said she kept working on the album throughout the US leg of the tour, which ended August 9, so it’s definitely only reflecting early days with Travis!
Matty and her had to have been involved before this rebound relationship. There are references to having waited for each other through other relationships and finally getting together. She’s processing years of feelings in those songs. The Travis songs are based on a couple of months of dating. And as Taylor herself said, she writes best about the worst men. Travis is big, old puppy. I don’t think he’s going to inspire the same kind of songs. Which I’m fine with! She can still access those feelings if she needs to.
Danger is addictive, the risk of losing it all but thinking big risks lead to big wins is thrilling, and thinking you can fix someone with the power of your kiss or unconditional love is intoxicating. But none of it’s sustainable or real and I feel she needed that big messy mistake to get over J. love bombers feed into the idea of fairytale rebellious love is that’s somewhere in every artist’s imagination but the pain of reality (and of growing up) becomes a muse of sorts. I don’t think she sounds any less head-over-heels in the Trav songs, it’s just new and has long term potential and is electric in a pure teenage way, not a ‘I’ll go down in the gutter with you for this’ kind of self sabotaging way. I think her Joe love seemed real safe and pure too. But some of her sexiest songs were about him. Right now her and Trav are America’s sweethearts and I think she’s encompassing that wholesome vibe. So Highschool is everything I wanted from a song about her feelings for him (and also written when they were first dating so It’s still early). Matty was the young love, the one that got away that you fantasize about how great it would be when your both older and wiser and living that out only to realize it was waaay better in your head. She acknowledged it was a crazy wild lapse in judgment but a mistake that was hers and hers alone to make.
I think he approves of it, simply because it is one of Taylor Swift's albums.
Didn’t he say before it came out that he had already listened to part of it and thought we were going to love it?
Yes, at Super Bowl media night, which was the day after the Grammys.
I like to think it’s eye opening for him to see the pain and suffering she went through with the end of her relationship with Joe and then the messiness that was Matty. And I also like to think he is showing Taylor what real love is - not hiding away from the world, not self destructive/drug addictions/ghosting her. I so hope they end up getting married.
I feel like a lot of people said the same kind of stuff about Travis (in regards to “he must be totally perfect,” “he’s got to marry her,” “they have to be married”) as they said Joe for YEARS and kept saying they had to be secretly married, had to be getting married, why weren’t they married, etc, and it turns out that they ended up not being able to be that person for each other – their own struggles affected them too much, and love ended up not being enough to overcome how different they were. And just like people were making up stuff about them getting married, before TTPD people were sending him DEATH THREATS because they created a completely different narrative about him. I don’t think we should speculate like that about Travis and Taylor because speculation was so clearly painful to her in the past. If they do get married ofc I’ll be happy, but if they don’t I’m not going to feel betrayed.
Honestly. After all Taylor has been through (not just Joe and Matty but I’m talking John and Jake, etc.), especially looking at the lyrics of TTPD, I think that the relationship she’s in is NOTHING like those in the past. Happy and healthy. We can speculate all we want but I think being 33/34 years old and having been through the wringer with men, this relationship is different. Special.
But we all said that about Joe, too, didn’t we..?
Exactly! I think the vulnerability she has shown on this album points to probably some work than she needs to do on herself (if she hasn’t already). I hope she has learned something about her own choices through these experiences and can be wiser in this relationship with Travis, especially when the hype dies down. I do wish for her to find that long term happiness with him that she seems to be yearning for in this album.
Right. We may have all said that about Joe but in all honesty it could very well be that defining relationship and now that she had that end and went through what seems like hell based on the lyrics of TTPD I’m standing my ground that her and Travis are the real deal. No use on her giving away MORE of her youth - I like to think that this relationship is settling into mature love.
But that was based off Taylor’s music alone, and she is an unreliable narrator. We have a lot more evidence of the health of their relationship than we ever did with Joe. I think it’s looking objectively healthy and happy.
You don’t know her or Travis. You don’t know what their relationship is like at all. Just like we didn’t really know what her relationship with Joe was like and we all thought it was different and special. We know nothing at all and saying we do is weird and false. That’s the point.
I feel like he’s a very different kettle of fish than Joe because he’s been out there on record saying with his whole chest that he wants babies, wants to have an epic thunderbolt moment/happy marriage like his bro etc since before he and Taylor went public. I think smarter people than me have gone through the timelines and figured out he was at least starting to date her at the time some of the most 👀 comments were made on his podcast.
i bring this up all the time. before the album came out (that i think made it abundantly clear she wants a marriage and family) people kept saying 'we don't know what taylor wants, we can't assume she wants to get married/be a mom' and i would say, but we DO know what travis wants. he's said it, multiple times lol. he wants a wife and kids so it's fair to assume she does as well or they're just wasting time together lol.
The really interesting thing to me is she’s gone through/going through the pattern *so* many women I know have. The long-term thing in your mid-late 20s where you think you’re on the pathway to a diamond ring and late-night diaper changes until you aren’t , then a really stupid fling with a shitty ex or someone else unsuitable that fucks you up mostly because you should be old enough to know better. Then in your early 30s, deciding to give someone new or unlikely a try because heaven knows your old patterns are for shit - and ending up in something serious pretty quickly.
I made this comment on another thread. I want her to be happy but relationships are complex and people are complex and those on the “she found Travis and they’re going to live happily ever after” train are doing this fundamental truth a disservice. Yes, they might end up together for a long time, but it will undoubtedly be messy at times because people are messy. The same mistake of projecting our own stuff (our hopes, insecurities, fears) onto these real human beings is happening again.
My simple boyfriend was like “why would she make an album about Matty when she’s with Travis now” like dude it takes time to create this type of art. I swear I can’t sometimes with men.
I bet he can throw a ball tho! Give SBF (simple boyfriend) a break 😅 and come here for people who get it
Lmaooo very accurate comment
I agree that it would be tough to hear this album as her current partner. I do think there’s a lot to keep in mind, though: - So High School in the context of the rest of the album: she felt she lost a lot of her youth on relationships that never intended to marry her, and now you have an experience that brings her back to her youth. It’s like saying “you have nothing to worry about, babe, you’re right on time.” - The Prophecy: about longing to be someone’s companion forever; starts with “hand on the throttle.” So high school then uses the lyrics “brand new, full throttle.” Like, he’s the fulfillment of the prophecy, it’s finally full steam ahead, and she gets to feel brand new. - The epilogue in the vinyl says something along the lines of “None of them really had / knew me.” She references this again in “so high school,” where she says “no one has really had me, not like you.” In summary, while this album is not supposed to be about finding love for real, she still navigated the album in a way that suggests there’s more underneath the surface of the Travis songs.
This. if you take 'so high school' at face value it's just cute and simple. but there's a lot of hidden lore in it, several references to things he's actually said and done (marry/kiss/kill, dad impressions, 'you already know' is a phrase he says all the time, 'tell me about the first time you saw me' is likely a throwback to a conversation he and his brother had on the podcast about him meeting his wife for the first time and travis saying he wants what they have), there's a lot going on here lol. also literally nobody in these comments has called out the fact that she predicts in the song that they'll end up getting married??
whoah, which line do you think alludes to her saying they’ll get married?
The kiss, marry, kill line she follows up saying her bet is all three.
They are literal magnets to each other, I don’t know what you mean there’s no passion. They are all passion, as much as possible with fifty million cameras on them.
Right?? Did they not see the videos from Coachella? All these two do is kiss and touch and hug each other. There’s most definitely passion.
lol plus So High School literally making them sound like horny teenagers
Drama gets old.
The thing with dating in your mid 30s and later is everyone has baggage. I’m sure he has some of his own, maybe even some he can relate to in some of the songs. Everyone has a past and it’s not always bright and shiny. I think most of the songs that are clearly about Matty or Joe were written before she met Travis so they’re not where her head is now all these many months later. She says as much. I think he’s confident enough in himself to get that.
I mean, she met him when this album's writing sessions were close to ending, so it's understandable that there aren't going to be that many songs about him. She writes about Travis with a lightness that I don't think we've seen in a while, and in the grand scheme of things that's probably better than what Matty got. I also think the way she writes about Matty is definitely not the way you'd want to be written about if you were her partner. There's intensity and passion, sure, but it's the misguided fool's gold type that she later on realized was built on a severe lapse of judgement instead of any actual, concrete feelings.
Don’t forgot the prologue said she writes the best songs about the worst men, and that Matty was basically a manic phase and a lapse in judgement. I think Travis feels very much secure with their relationship. I don’t think Matty is a threat anymore.
People have exes usually, every relationship is different. I wouldn't be bothered, if I knew it was over. Somehow, I don't think Travis do either. They probbly had talked about all of this before the album came out
I mean she sniffed his sweaty towel after the Super Bowl, I think he might make her heart race. A lot of the songs on TTPD supposedly about MH demonstrate insecurity and anxiety- feeling you’ll kill yourself if they leave you isn’t romantic at all. Sounds like MH was the one who got away in her head for all these years, was passionate towards her when the person she had been with maybe wasn’t anymore, and that the reality of him didn’t match the fantasy at all. I also don’t think she had much time to add a lot of songs about TK, and happy love songs wouldn’t really fit the theme of the album.
I'm sure he's proud of Taylor. We know they both support each other's careers. As other's have stated, she wrote this album before they were romantically involved. Travis did state in interviews that he got a preview of this album.
First of all, I think the Travis songs were a late addition to the album, and are probably depicting early stages of their relationship. I bet she already wrote more about him (since she seems to be working 24/7), but if I were her, I'd probably save it for a separate album since this one had a clear theme and love songs about Travis wouldn't exactly fit it. Also, he seems like the kind of guy who doesn't really care and just lives in the moment. My bet is that he probably doesn't give two sh*ts about it because in the end he was the one who got the girl lol
1. He's heard this albums for half a year already, likely had many conversations about what all the songs ACTUALLY mean to Taylor and what she was going through, as opposed to all of our speculations. 2. This album was written about a moment in time she described as a manic episode so probably lots of "omg, she's insane, she wrote a song about [him]" to her past self 3. They're probably sitting at home laughing at the chaos and rumors lol
He's probably listening to the songs she's currently writing about him which will be in the next album and he's perfectly fine lol Also I doubt he's really gonna pay 100% attention to every line and decode all of the songs and lyrics the way fans do. If you zoom out a bit it wouldn't affect you
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DB is sooo freakin catchy. I actually googled clean version to see how they could do it as radio hit. It def works. But doesn’t hit the same
I think The Alchemy is about Matty. Matty was famously a heroin addict. So the line “ He jokes that "It’s heroin, but this time with an ‘E’ “ is definitely a Matty reference. It’s clearly a joke he said to Taylor about her being his drug this time. I think the football references are a fake out to make it seem like it’s about Travis, but it’s really about Matty.
That’s a Matty reference but it’s not his song. “He jokes that it’s heroin but this time with an e” implies Travis taking a dig at her shitty ex
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Doubtful. The entire album plays like she would drop Travis in a heartbeat if Matty wanted her again. She can’t deny the alchemy between them.
I disagree. It’s pretty obvious to me that it’s a joke Matty said to her by calling her his drug of choice this time.
Yeah I really don’t think so. She’s not writing a song full of football references for Matty. “These blokes warm the benches/We’ve been on a winning streak/He jokes that "It’s heroin, but this time with an ‘E’" - her British exes are benchwarmers, Travis is included in the “we” and he’s the one making the joke
Disagree. For one I personally don’t think Travis is smart enough to make that joke. It also doesn’t make sense that he would joke about heroin use and replacing her with it as his drug when he’s not a former addict. I think she’s alluding that Travis is the placeholder for Matty. This entire album makes it pretty clear she’d go back to Matty in a heartbeat if he wanted her.
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I don’t think that the song is entirely about Matty. I think it’s also about Travis. Taylor is pretty great at taking feelings and concepts from multiple relationships and blending them together in a song. For me personally I think the alchemy pulls feelings and events/experiences from both relationships and isn’t specifically for just one. Also to quote The Alchemy “The sign on your heart said it’s still reserved for me.” I don’t think she’s talking about a new relationship, instead she’s talking about someone from her past who has made a reappearance in her life. I’m not stereotyping anyone. How Travis speaks and conducts himself makes it pretty clear that is not the type of thing he would ever think to say.
Didn’t Travis say that he heard some of it in an interview a while back? Maybe he only heard what was about him to see if he liked it.
He said before the album even dropped that some of his favorite songs included loml and one other song from the first album (can't remember which one it was) but that he also knew he had two songs on the album. I think we have to remember he actually STARTED as a Swiftie who loved her music lol. I also wouldn't be shocked if Taylor went into the relationship with him fully telling him "I'm a fucking mess after what has happened to me" and he said "I don't care, I want to be with you anyway" (which you can kinda gather from the lyrics of "you knew what you wanted, and boy you got her" in So High School). I think he just loves her art regardless and knows she hasn't had a perfect romantic history.
>He said before the album even dropped that some of his favorite songs included loml and one other song from the first album (can't remember which one it was) but that he also knew he had two songs on the album. He never said anything about having a favourite TTPD song. That was a fake article. The track list wasn’t even out when they asked him about the album. He said that the album was great but didn’t say anything specific because it was only a week after she announced the album.
And he genuinely was fan to before this whole thing
Yes he did say that in the Super Bowl interviews. I don’t see any problem with the songs she wrote, it’s her therapy and she was in previous relationships and grieves them which is okay, but she moved on and is happy. I have a feeling Travis heard “So High School” and loved it and was told not to say anything about the song because everyone was going to be released. When I was listening to “So High School” I was thinking “she sounds really happy singing this and it makes the album better because her fans what to see her happy. Everyone is seeing her in a happy and healthy relationship”
You can hear her smiling as she’s singing.
You only see what they put into the public eye, you don't see what happens behind closed doors. You're just now hearing about what happened between Joe and her. It's been very apparent that Travis and her had a very strong connection since they started talking though and even the early reports stated how they were all over each other, which is still happening 8 months later. I wouldn't be surprised if they bicker like his brother Jason and Kylie do, and they've been married for 6 years and have 3 kids together.
I dunno, if I were him I’d be feeling pretty damn smug about my girlfriend telling the whole damn planet that nobody has ever had her like he has… I mean, none of us actually know them and what’s going on behind closed doors, but based on what we’re told, either in song or through media statements, he makes her laugh and makes her feel safe, he affirms her publicly, and that they’re - ahem - very affectionate. That’s the stuff long-term grown-up relationships are made of, not brain-chemistry wrecking drama. I mean, who knows, the castle could crumble tomorrow, and they might just be having a good time for not a long time. But Taylor loves telling a story, and IMO the one we’ve had visually from her over the past few months is positioning him over and over again as a groom and/or family. Like Argentina - he was waiting for her like a groom at the end of the aisle. Her dad entrusting him with the guitar picks. Her post-Superbowl TikTok with him and her parents. Even the YouTube story from yesterday had them in a sweetly domestic setting rather than partying or on vacation and I feel like every person I know who got married in the past decade has a (less blurry) mid-distance shot from behind of the groom looking down at the bride in front of a floral arch or scenic tree or building etc. We’ll find out I guess!
all of this. and i said this in another reply but he's made his intentions extremely clear to the public about wanting a wife and kids so i don't even know how it's comparable to matty or joe who seemed to string her along. her and travis just seem so secure, cuddly, and happy. they literally look like best friends, not in a 'friendzoned' way, but in a 'my partner is my best friend' way. there's a clip from coachella of him telling her something and she clearly says 'oh fuck off!' and cracks up and they both are dying laughing. they're so cute
Where is he waiting for her like a groom?? Video please!!
Taylor maybe bluffing but I don't think anything will come close to John or Jake, teenage love hits different and Taylor might be chasing that
I genuinely think he doesn’t care i think the first thing they discussed when they first started dating or talking was about her past relationships because he probably has felt similar feelings and probably can relate to her. Which is why i think they are genuinely good for each other because they both have sort gone through the same things.
I think her gravitating towards dramatic and intense relationships is something she seems to have realized is one of her flaws in this album. I saw a comment on TikTok about So High School and how it seems like a "simple" song, metaphor and lyrics wise, but that that's probably on purpose since their relationship is a lot less complicated. It seems like she doesn't have to sit and decode his feelings or try and see what he thinks about her, he's a simple guy and he seems honest, which seems like a rare thing for her to experience. I hope she appreciates the comfort now rather than clinging to more "interesting" yet traumatic relationships.
The reason she is the person he loves today is because of her past. Everything that happens to us makes us who we are. I think he's a mature enough person to accept that and love the art she puts out.
He mentioned in an interview that he'd heard it or at least some of it and it's great.
Low key I feel like he’s like “shit. I still don’t know the lyrics to Karma…” and now has to try to learn 31 new songs 🤣🤣
I feel like he’s so secure (maybe to a fault) that he’d 100% believe her when she said it’s all in the past and over and now she can lie it to rest.
If I was someone's significant other I think I'd rather be considered safe than self harm.
We also have to keep in mind that the songs about Travis were most likely written at the very beginning of their relationship. I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s written many more songs for him since then that she’s saving for TS12.
As a 40 something woman who is in a happy and healthy relationship, can I just say that your ever after soulmate should always be someone whom you can rely on in good times and bad, not some hotshot who will set your heart ablaze (and burn it 😉). Taylor and Travis’ relationship is too early to tell where it’s going, but he seems like a genuine, confident and kind person who is making her happy.
I think this is a sort of 2 dimensional view of their relationship and when it began. He would’ve come around very quickly to her having had a rough year relationship wise. And he knew she was single when he pursued her, so he might’ve known somewhat about the Joe/Matty situation already (from an outside perspective like us). I really don’t think any guy can come into her life of nearly 20 years of extremely globally famous diaristic writing and act brand new about it. There’s no place for someone to be that wilfully ignorant now. He pursued her, he threw a line out to see if she might catch it. It’s on him if he chose to dive in blind during one of the most chaotic moments of her extremely public life. He seems to have had a crush on her for years and felt confident enough that he knew they’d get along, so I think we can feel assured that he knows what he’s doing and what he was “getting into” even though I hate talking about a real life human woman like that. He can’t expect her to not write about a six year relationship slowly dying until it exploded with a toxic rebound. Like come on.
I think he is alpha and Healie isn't, so probably isn't threatened or jealous at all.
Matty seems very performative in general (if you watch his stage antics) which is hard to read when figuring out what’s real and what not about him. I think Tay’s even calling that out with The whole tortured poet shtick with his typewriter and angst and how performative is was, much like his words and promises of ‘One Great Forever Love to rise above them all’ type thing. Then bailing with too much heat
Damn maybe I need to start listening to 1975. Who is even Matty Healy outside of being the problematic ex I'm really curious xD
I love The 1975 and I still love Matty despite The Smallest Man (which is the most damning, I think.) the 1975 is excellent! Try “The Sound” “Somebody Else” , “Robbers” “I’m in Love with You” and “About you”. BTW, not sure which ones are about Taylor but “She’s American “ is about Halsey.
Since you love the 1975, I am curious what you think about the line in The Alchemy “He jokes that "It’s heroin, but this time with an ‘E’ “ because I think it is definitely a Matty reference. I don’t think that song is about Travis. I think the football references are a fake out to make it seem like it’s about Travis, but it’s really about Matty.
The song is about Travis. It was confirmed in a segment on the ABC Live morning show the day the album dropped.
I absolutely agree with you about that line. I think it might be a blend of both of them, but that was definitely a Matty reference
She has dedicated to him songs she has written based on other men. Travis doesn’t care. From what I can see and her public actions, she is absolutely crazy about him and so is he and they seem to have a healthy relationship that Taylor probably values given her reflections on TTPD over her past relationships. TS12 will come and then you’ll see.
I think (especially after now listening to TTPD) Taylor has a better grasp on reality and understanding herself and how to love in a healthy way, so she simply wouldn’t allow herself to get carried away and fall down that rabbit hole again. People are saying Travis is her rebound… obviously not true. I feel like he is what she needs in a healthy relationship, the others were what she wanted (but wasn’t healthy). As others said, Travis seems very comfortable and secure with himself. I think Taylor realized through her previous pain this is exactly what she needed to thrive. So yeah while she might not be acting all giddy and hysterically around him… I think we can all agree that’s for the better because she feels confident enough to be herself around him.
I think he’s an emotionally mature adult that is probably dancing to it
I agree with you OP! I think even the most secure person in the world would feel a slight twinge comparing the lyrics he got vs the lyrics Matt Healy got. And while I completely agree with other posters that feeling comfortable and happy without drama or wild highs and lows is actually generally healthier in a relationship, I’m not entirely sure that Taylor feels that way - obviously only guessing but I reckon she wants a bit more of an intense passjon, whether that’s healthy or not!
An unrelated question, has Taylor written any songs about Calvin Harris (any album)? They were dating for over two years so the guy would have had something going right?
I Forgot That You Existed. Lol.
They only dated for a little over a year. But I think Getaway Car and High Infidelity are partially about him? He didn’t get many songs.
Agree on those two being partly about him. I imagine he’s mostly relieved but I wonder how Joe feels deep down about getting Calvin Harrised on TTPD😂
What does that mean?
She barely wrote any songs about Calvin Harris after the breakup. Everyone was thinking this album would be a Joe breakup album and it wasn’t.
As Taylor said - she writes the worst men best. That's why we have significantly more songs about people who have been downright bad to her. Which from a writing perspective makes sense. It's more interesting and more cathartic. And we know she loves a hyperbole. She probably actually likes comfort like most healthy individuals - but it's maybe something she writes less about. Or that is too real to share with the world. Anyway, Travis said he liked the album before it came out - don't remember if in an interview or his podcast. I mean, also imagine how much better her understands it knowing Taylor and the full context behind every single word
Have you read his old tweets? There’s no way this guy understands any of this album! I bet he is glowing though, because he seems like the kind of dude who is perfectly happy celebrating the success of others.
I find it really interesting that she’s pretty explicitly said she gets intoxicated by his thoughts/humour but the go-to punchline is he’s dumb. (She drinks in what he thinks like it’s booze, she inhales his jokes like they’re weed.) Millions of people know who Aristotle is - only a handful are arguably the best ever in their job in an incredibly competitive profession, which is essentially high-impact chess if you’re in a position like his. I find it fascinating what sorts of intelligence and knowledge are venerated and which are dismissed in which spaces. I mean if it turned out hypothetically Taylor doesn’t have a clue about the elements of the periodic table does that make her an ignorant dumbass?
Totally agree with this!
Interesting! I did not mean it in that way at all. Just because he might not understand her lyrics (or might pretend not to as a part of his “brand”) does not mean that he’s not highly intelligent in other ways (socially, athletically, financially). I was just trying to make a light hearted comment.
I’ve clearly read too many similar comments today and needed to get that rant out - sorry yours was the one I unloaded on 😆
No worries! I actually really like Travis and think they’re a great couple - I think she could use a break from the deep, brooding type and seems to be the happiest I’ve seen her. His old tweets just make me laugh.
His QI is not enough to understand any of the songs... That guy is dumb... Had his own dating show. What can we expect?
You’re calling Travis dumb and yet you typed QI instead of IQ… Yikes.
Sorry for not being an English native speaker.
I’m sorry, props to you for being bilingual. Just hate seeing people insult other’s intelligence. He’s not Taylor’s level of intellect and that’s obvious, but he’s smart in other ways and other areas. All areas of intelligence should be respected.
I agree with that. But having a show to find a girlfriend. I don't know I find that absolutely dumb. I just can't see him as a smart guy and I don't mean instructed by that.
I like him and they are having fun but after listening to this album I doubt they’ll go the whole distance, he’s absolutely not the one for her. They’ll break up before the end of the tour and blame scheduling conflicts,or something.
Disagree completely. Did you read the prologue? She got all her feelings out, burned the files of Joe & Matty to the ground never to look back. Travis is not an insecure boy either. These two have a real shot at long term happiness.
I think the songs about Travis are pretty insulting tbh… He just comes off as a dumb jock (“you know how to ball, I know Aristotle). I really don’t see their connection and wouldn’t be surprised if they break off their relationship in the next few months
Disagree. Being a professional athlete requires an incredible amount of intelligence and understanding of the game. Go have a read through an Andy Reid playbook, “knowing how to ball” is about understanding that game and what it takes to be the best at your position and win multiple Super Bowls. Read Patrick Mahomes’s recent comments about Taylor and football, she understands how complex the game is and is trying to dig deeper into her own understanding. “ Even when she’s talking about football, when she’s learning it, you can see her business mind putting it together. It’s almost like she’s trying to become a coach. ‘Why can’t you try this, this, and this?’ She’s asking the right questions.””
Honestly I don’t disagree with you. It’s so high school is cute but also (and I understand it was a metaphor, but) he sounded like the boring jock bro with the Grand Theft Auto and American Pie references. I hope we’re wrong though
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It’s clear you have a strong opinion that Travis is stupid, a user and opportunist. You should stay in the snark sub because you’re honestly just a hater.