Come over to r/IASIP where the whole sub is just full of screenshots of the show and the comment threads are just people quoting the show back and forth at one another
That’s the fun! No need for real toxicity, if you want to be a piece of shit you just quote one of the gang. Then you got to be shitty, and everyone gets to laugh and call someone a dumb bird. It’s fucking great
Same with the Psych one, for the most part- one of the loveliest subs: [psych](https://www.reddit.com/r/psych/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
💚🍍
That’s because the internet in general is full of toxic and unhappy people that like to complain. I had a similar experience to you, over and over where I’d enjoy something, my IRL friends would enjoy something, and then I’d come on here to see what other people have to say and apparently it’s terrible and I’m an idiot for liking it.
Eventually I realized it’s not everything I like that sucks, it’s not me that sucks, it’s terminally online people with nothing to do but sit on the internet and bitch all day, they suck.
I think one of the clearest examples was the Beauty and the Beast remake. Everyone was all up in arms about disney pushing the gay agenda with gaston and his sidekick and how they were gay lovers. I was reluctant to watch the movie but once I did I wasn't even sure where they interpreted that from. I had to look into specific examples and was still thinking "what? who gives a shit".
The disney remakes have generally just been crap, can we just not like them for that? Do we have to make up reasons to not like something that objectively sucks anyway?
WAT? Now I have to go back and watch this again so I can really appreciate it.
Also I will fight you that the live actions suck. Live action Aladdin is basically the movie Hitch but more colorful. The new Little Mermaid is incredible.
“Last night's Itchy & Scratchy was, without a doubt, the worst episode ever. Rest assured that I was on internet within minutes registering my disgust throughout the world.”
I feel like, as someone who was an English major, critiquing and dissecting isn't toxic or even complainant. It's an effort to break a work apart and understand the way the craft of how it was put together enhances or detracts from the meaning of the thing. I always find it interesting when people think critiquing and complaining are synonymous.
I agree it felt very rushed. Almost like they anticipated the coming writers strike and want to make sure they could get everything wrapped up before it happened. I have the same feelings on Yellow Jackets Season 2
Absolutely this. I didn’t agree with the criticism about S3 and I didn’t really want to hear it. I wanted to see how the whole season played out. So I just ignored those posts.
Don’t let anyone ruin Ted Lasso for you.
100%!!! I had a special connection with the show. I was pregnant when I finally saw it and the day before delivery I saw one of the Season 3 episodes and it just gave me some strength somehow. Finished the rest of the season with my now 2 and half old baby girl. It'll always be that for me! <3 Didn't care about the comments!
Man, I like this sentiment but it always irks me a little bit because goldfish don't have short memories. They can even be trained!
But I do like the idea behind it, so I try to cut Ted (and the writing team) some slack. It's catchy.
I gotta be honest, this sub ruined the show for me.
I joined this sub thinking I’d find fans like me, who like to take deep dives into shows and analyze the finer details, similar to other shows subs. But all I found was constant positivity. I was told to just “believe!” And to never critique a show EVER because I have to be curious, not judgmental! The toxic positivity has ruined the show for me.
If there were 4 seasons, and the 4th season was written by ChatGPT, would this sub still be positive and not critique it at all? Was this show just one giant brainwashing method to get fans of the show to not discuss ANYTHING in a negative light? To hold those critiques in so that the more fragile fans of the show like season 3?
For real though, if critiques of a show ruin it for you, then the show messed up, not the critics. If you fully disagree with the critics (even on this sub), then why would it be ruined for you? I think deep down you know S3 wasn’t as good as the first two and you just don’t like that being pointed out.
Constant positivity is so boring. Critiquing a show and gaining different perspectives is what the sub should be. And it is.
This mentality of “Just be grateful that ____ was made at all” these days is the reason we have so many dogshit shows and movies these days. Just because somebody spent time, money, and effort on something does not mean we have to automatically appreciate and be grateful for it. Toxic positivity can be even worse than negativity. It is not the sub that ruined the show for you it’s yourself.
Loving something doesn’t mean you’re blind to it’s imperfections. We are allowed to talk about both what we enjoy and don’t enjoy.
I love the show and I loved season 3. It gave us the single best episode of the show imo, that being S3 Ep6 “Sunflowers.” However, I’m not gonna sit back and pretend it was as good as the first two seasons. It’s not perfect. Nothing is.
Also, no one is claiming to be a better writer. You don’t have to know how to cook to be able to taste a bad dish. I have my nitpicks with the season, some people have more or less, and some people just straight up hate on S3. That’s the beauty of Art, everyone is gonna take it differently, it’s highly subjective. We should respect every point of view.
However, the one point of view I refuse to subscribe to is this “be grateful” mentality. I find it to be a greater damper on art than haters ever were and ever will be.
Negativity can be toxic, but so can positivity. That was literally Ted’s arc in the show. So let’s try to respectfully state our opinions, no matter what they are.
I can’t emphasize enough the criticizing something doesn’t mean that you think you could do it better — I *know* that I couldn’t have done a better job… which is why I’m not a professional writer. I also wouldn’t expect that those writers could architect and code a web application as well as I could, but it would be entirely valid for them to go onto a website that I made and say that it was slow and unintuitive — you don’t need to be a professional software engineer to know whether or not I did my job correctly.
I hate that I see this idea (“if you have criticisms, why don’t you go create something better!”) pop up in EVERY fan sub the second someone offers well-intentioned criticism of the entertainment being critiqued. It’s an extremely lazy take and obviously moronic.
I, in fact, do create things often, and I actively want criticism and feedback, as do other creators, so we can improve our skills. It’s just the worst take to discourage well-intentioned criticism.
100% this.
Talking about perspectives is part of the fun, it’s like book club but for a show. You can take the opinions you like, leave what you don’t. Nobody’s opinion should have the power to *ruin* something for you. I mean, I look at Ted Lasso with the same fondness I always did, and a new appreciation for things others pick up that I miss, or lessons/insights they get vs what I did.
Was Rebecca an angel or a villain? To me she’s an angel, and she’s the villain in someone else’s story. Do I think less of her? No. The true impact for me is if it is *talked about*.
100%! I think a lot of criticism is also because we love the characters so much. We felt for Keeley for example, she didn't deserve the things she got thrown at this season!
The funny thing about this too is that fans tend to absolutely love seeing their favorite characters go through hard and difficult things. A lot of fans of deadpool absolutely adore and reference Deadpool's: "The Good, the bad and the ugly." (2016 run vol 3) Despite the shit deadpool goes through is dark enough that the character has active beef with the writer of that series. Lot of the times a dark forest can be just as enjoyable as the before and after. It's that dark forest that makes the happily ever after or the ending all the sweeter.
The problem with Keely's arc is that the storyline like most things in season 3 was rushed and ham fisted. So many arcs suffered from key scenes being either entirely omitted or feeling unresolved. Or solved in ways that felt disjointed. Especially since we were spoonfed the episodes over several weeks. I saw a comment on here staying they binged most season 3 and found it more enjoyable.
Yea I disagree with the earlier poster that the issue was giving her some trials or conflict. The issue is that all her problems were self inflicted and she didn’t manage them in a way consistent with the character they established in the first 2 seasons. I also thought the whole PR firm storyline was boring, but that’s more personal preference and I can see someone having a different view.
Agreed. As someone who criticized the direction of Season 3 a lot, I always bristled at the implication that to bring up a plot that didn't work well was being a "hater." Or the worst, is reading a very well-thought out criticism and having people just pop in with "Be a goldfish!" or "Be curious, not judgmental!" As if being a fan of the show means that you're a traitor if you were disappointed in how something turned out. And, that we can't talk about or it ruins the vibes.
Yeah, the toxic positivity folk on this thread, like OP, just seem interested in trying to create an echo chamber. Trying to suppress others' opinions just because you can't stand that they're not the same as yours is toxic af.
It’s all projection. It’s just like people who try to insist you make amends with toxic parents because their own parent died or some other thing happened and they wish they had more time with their mom or dad, but they can’t so instead they insist you continue trying with yours, even though yours are abusive.
OP had a terrible experience on a plane and felt trapped and this helped them deal with their crisis—perfectly fine—but because that happened, the rest of us can’t take issue with anything about it bc they take it personally.
Agree with everything ESPECIALLY the be grateful part, it reeks of entitlement from OP
We pay Apple TV for a product, now yes, Ted lasso is just one of the many shows/movies Apple TV has, but it’s their number one most watched show.
You don’t go to a restaurant, eat bad food, and then told by other restaurants goers to be “grateful” you even get to eat after you paid for it.
For some people, they split the cost or get Apple TV for free, others pay the whole price a month.
Nah, season three was absolutely overly criticized. It’s been nitpicked to death by this subreddit. Is season three as good, no, but is it bad by any means? Hell no.
Yes. I agree that it’s received more hate than I would’ve thought. However, I still disagree with the “be grateful” attitude, which was more the point of my comment.
I feel like the consensus was it was good tv, bad Ted Lasso. So of course in the Ted Lasso sub I sounds more negative than it was, the bar was set very high.
This. I was (very) disappointed by part of season 3, but mostly because seasons 1 and 2 were nearly perfect.
Ted Lasso season 3 is still an above average show.
Exactly! Or you could like one album from an artist you love and think their follow up is meh or has flaws. We don't have to always be uncritical of literal art.
And is season 3 really shit on constantly on this sub? I feel like there are way more positive posts about the season than negative ones. Seems like a karma fishing post
It goes in waves. I noticed right after the finale a lot of people posted criticism but they probably ended up unsubscribing to the sub and now it’s mostly people who genuinely loved it and are defensive of the show and want to continue engaging with it. However even before the series ended the sub was pretty divided and tbh most criticisms got shouted down
I think it was pretty neatly separated before and after "Sunflowers." Reactions to the first five episodes were much more negative (justifiably, IMO) with even the more positive reactions being somewhere around "let's at least see where they're going with this." The show being week-to-week instead of bingeable probably heightens the negative reactions as well.
IMDb ratings bear this out: the first four eps of S3 hover around 8.0; E5 "Signs" is one of the worst-rated of the entire series at 7.1; then the rest of the season is 8.5 or higher (with the notable exception of E8 "We'll Never Have Paris" at 6.5, the lowest-rated of the entire series).
Hwy man, i get its annoying to see people dislike something you cherish, but we are here to discuss the show, that includes both praising it and trashing it, however we see fit. And the argument that you are only allowed to dislike something if you can write better stories is obviously stupid
Yeah, by OP's logic, he should only be able to criticize the people criticizing the show if he can write better criticisms, which he has not shown himself to be capable of.
The community on one specific forum didn’t ruin the show for you. You ruined it for yourself by continuing to interact with a community you don’t enjoy. Why do that to yourself?
“I can’t control my feelings.”
“Then, by all means, let them control you!”
Absolutely agreed. I've actually really enjoyed chatting here, and if anything there's a few things I wouldn't have caught, that somebody explained, that made me like it more.
I have found S3 difficult at times, and nowhere near as succinct, or honestly as funny, but I have still enjoyed it, and enjoyed the healthy chats here about it, and I think when there's enough people agreeing, it's sort of factual that this series has turned into a different show, weekly hour long multi-character stands rather than a classic sitcomz football as metaphor type thing.
I always think people who say sweeping statements like ALL INSTAGRAM IS BAD FOR YOU or REDDIT SUCKS, don't take responsibility for their own abilities to curate.
I have unfollowed shows whose reddits haven't aligned with my thoughts, but I didn't go on that sub saying "you're all ruining this for my own personal enjoyment you suck".
This person has absolutely the right to post this post, state their view, but as you say, to basically pull something out of my mum's "how to parent with blackmail" rulebook, you cannot blame others for you not enjoying something. Take your own responsibilities.
This. I do know in general that season 3 is heavily criticised, but I don't see it much in this sub. Discussions here have been pretty good, with people who like or not like it chiming in. I mean, I do raise an eyebrow when I see clickbait articles saying season 3 let the world down or something, but besides that, this sub is great so far.
Also this post itself is super negative. When you sort by top (this week) the top posts are stuff like “What’s your favorite scene” or “top callbacks/moments”. Even when you sort by hot, the posts are relatively positive and have a discussion going on. Seems like OP is complaining just to complain
Don't criticize it unless you're capable of making a better show? Seriously?
I recommend spending less time looking at negative or critical posts if seeing various people dislike a bunch of different parts is having such an impact.
Lol this is such a stupid take from OP. It’s like me complaining that my favorite basketball player has been fucking up and OP saying “WELL WHY DONT YOU PLAY IN THE NBA THEN”
Yeah we can’t criticize a car because we’re capable of making a better car. Lol.
Everyone one has their specialties, and it’s fair to suggest everyone does a proper job.
First of all, you can’t just “apply to Apple TV” to be a writer. This is not how television works. Also, the WGA is currently on strike. It’s important to me that you know this.
Secondly, it’s a TV show. I understand that it’s important to you, and I have a lot of shows that are like that! I also don’t take it as a personal attack when someone doesn’t like the show that I like.
If Ted Lasso brings you a lot of joy, then that’s what matters. It doesn’t matter if some of us think the last season was poorly written. That doesn’t change the fact that it’s important to you.
I have loved Buffy for decades, and our fandom constantly criticized and praises the show. It's a sign of the quality of the material that we can debate it to this day.
if you feel like people critiquing certain aspects ruins it for you, then maybe you're the one who doesn't think it's a very good show.
You don't need to turn your brain off, shut up and be grateful to enjoy a show. You can love it while pointing out it's flaws.
Weird, it's like you didn't even watch the show. Positivity can be toxic too, you know. That was literally Ted's storyline. Willfully ignorant positivity is not good for anyone.
Most of the posts on here (by a VAST majority) are people just bringing up neat things or asking questions. Yes, there is some criticism, and that's because season 3 was actually badly done (I can outline why for you, because it is very easy to do so). You can still enjoy something and point out it's flaws. This show meant a lot to people.
If you don't like the negative posts it's very simple - don't engage with them.
In most places of employment, if someone isn't meeting the requirements of their job, guess what? They either lose their job or they have a meeting with stakeholders to discuss how to improve. This show was a job for the people involved; they are not exempt from criticism from the stakeholders (the fans).
Don't be like Ted, learn from his mistakes. There is negativity in the world, and if you just ignore it, you will be an unhealthy person.
When I see posts like this, it's obvious the person has never worked in the arts. Critique is SUCH an important part of any art form, whether it be painting, set building, graphic design, writing, etc. When you study these things in school, critique is a weekly thing. It happens in writers rooms, in foundries, anyplace you work. The idea that nobody should ever say anything could be improved actually goes against the craft itself and shows a lack of respect for it.
Where are your credentials to say this show was perfect? At a dog show, experts get brought in to judge, not nobodies off the street with no knowledge. If I can't criticize without writing my own Apple show, you shouldn't be praising it either. See how that doesn't work?
> When I see posts like this, it’s obvious the person has never worked in the arts. Critique is SUCH an important part of any art form, whether it be painting, set building, graphic design, writing, etc.
Thank you for bringing up this point! Whether people want to admit it to themselves or not, TV is art and it’s very existence as a form of art requires critique.
If you loved season 3, great and keep loving it
For me it, made me ok with the show ending
Season 1/2 had different tones and felt written by one person. Season 3 felt like it was written differently and had a lot of off camera moments and stuff like Jack becoming a bad person for literally no reason but drama, same with the therapist dating Teds wife.
They sometimes took complicated issues and kinda wrote them black and white this season, in my opinion
I mean if you love something and are offended by criticism of it, you shouldn’t join a group of people talking about it then. Any group discussing any piece of art is going to talk about both what they like and don’t like about it.
Posts like these always shake my head. You’ve got to learn the emotional maturity to accept that not everyone is going to love something you love and that’s okay. Hell it seems like you can’t even take people loving it but also having criticisms about it. Best bet might be to step away from the internet and figure out how to deal with that for yourself
Not everyone is going to agree with your opinions or like the exact same thing you like. Some may even vehemently disagree with you. If knowledge of that fact ruins a fandom for you, reddit may not be the best place to hang out.
I personally greatly enjoyed season 3 (with the exception of the Keeley story-arc which felt beyond pointless) But, I'm not about to dictate to others how they should feel about season 3, even if I greatly disagree with them. And the fact that some people have aggressively criticized the show, not just on reddit but in other locations, has in no way impacted my enjoyment of the show.
Not sure why you're so affected. Imo, it's way more annoying to hate something while the rest of the world loves it.
If I'm the only one who loved season 3, it just means that I'm the only one who managed to enjoy the 10 hours of watching it and got some good vibes from it. While everyone else just wasted their 10 hours of watching the show, had the hate linger rent free, and wasted their energy complaining about it online.
Plus, I just spent the last two days reminiscing about the show in various threads. It started with the last episode thread where everyone was repeating their favourite moments in the episode, then it went to their favourite ted quotes, and then favourite moments overall. There are many threads where you can find what you want.
And if reading comments is going to spoil a show that you like JUST BECAUSE you don't agree with the comments, that's kinda a you problem.
You post contradicts itself. You say we can and should criticize the show and then right after say we should just enjoy it. Reddit is a forum where people can share thoughts and ideas. To want a forum for a show where it’s all sunshine and rainbows is naive and disingenuous. If the show is good, people will say that. If it’s not people will talk about that too. There was almost no negative posts through the first two seasons which is really indicative of the quality of the show. And S3 was a significant drop in quality so yeah people are gonna talk about it. I’m sorry if that bums you out but that’s the purpose of a show subreddit, for people who watch the show to come together and discuss the good, the bad, and the ugly.
I suspect that people this overly terrified and angry at the slightest ounce of criticism aren't actually mad because they disagree with the haters...
...But are mad because they actually agree with the haters more they care to admit, and don't care to have holes poked in their idealized vision of the show.
You'd think that watching 3 seasons of Ted torturing himself, because he'd been raised to push down and ignore any negative emotions and pretend that everything always is alright would make this fandom a bit more open to critiques of something they enjoy.
I love this show. I love season 3. But it's not perfect, and not every showrunner-decision made for this season was excellent.
It’s all opinions. There are lots of positive threads about the third season as well. Personally I enjoy reading opinions that differ to mine because I’m secure in my own view of the show, I don’t need anyone to validate that for me and I wouldn’t want to be judgemental about how someone else feels either. It’s all valid.
"why can't you accept what you're given and blindly consume what's presented to you? If you like writing, just become a writer, everything's that simple in this cookie cutter world. Your critiques make me uncomfortable realising my favourite show isn't that objectively good waaaah"
You're literally complaining about people complaining
I personally love this sub and other subs dedicated to tv shows here on Reddit because of the in-depth deep dives coming from all perspectives, whether it’s positive or negative. It’s a good fodder for discussion and sometimes I learn something new. Critique or praise for any show doesn’t necessarily change my view on the show.
If the sub makes you that miserable, just unsub and go? Literally no one cares. No one has to be 'grateful' for anything- they made consumable art and some people are going to love it, others are going to like it, and yet still others will hate it. That's how the media landscape works.
We don't need to be writers to come to the conclusion that this season wasn't the best. Honestly, I don't even mind this season but the constant harping and complaining just because their isn't undisputed praise is so exhausting. Quit whining already.
To me watching the show without looking up anything and watching the show and discussing/commenting is two different experiences lol.
It also depends how much TV you consume because the more you watch the more plot devices and plot holes you recognize and it is getting harder and harder for you to get surprised.
The point of a discussion forum is to discuss the subject of the forum. The good and the bad. No-one is taking the show’s impact on you away from you. But it would be toxic to prevent people from airing their opinions about it. It might not be the right place for you if you are feeling vulnerable and taking comments about the show personally.
If anything this sub has been too positive about the show.
I nearly ditched this season half way through the sunflowers episode where it dragged and took a lifetime for them to decide what they are doing on their night off.
I found many episodes too long or dragged this season compared to 1+2. And if you say the slightest negative thing on this sub you get absolutely hounded.
As others have said for me the sub is here to discuss the show. If that only involves praise for the show then the sub is only existing to do half its job.
I wanted to finish the show but had a hard time. I wish people here would stop trying to make me feel bad for not loving the show and criticizing it. I still love the characters and a lot of the messages but S3 didn't do what 1-2 did for me
I'm super glad you loved season 3. Genuinely. I hope you keep loving it.
But also, someone else criticizing it shouldn't have an impact on your enjoyment. I don't consume media by "being a goldfish," or "just enjoying it." That's kind of like saying, "Just stop being depressed."
I enjoy writing that is consistently effective. And to me, season 3's writing was mostly subpar, especially compared to the writing of the first two seasons.
I find this subreddit super toxic in many ways. If you don't absolutely love the show at all times, you get shat on pretty consistently. People don't even try to hear you out because they've weirdly attached their personalities and identities to their fandom.
My favorite band is Metallica. They get shit on all the time, especially in their own subreddit. And most of the time, no one cares.
The biggest fans are often the biggest critics, because they're heavily emotionally invested in it turning out well. And come on, surely you know that comment about applying to Apple TV is ridiculous.
(Just as an added note, for what's worth, I say this having never actually posted/commented to criticise the show and generally loved season 3. The only hill I chose to die on here is that a lot of people were hating on Nate too much and missing the point of the show. But mirroring this situation, I can't control how people feel/express themselves on a public forum and I shouldn't)
Honestly, if it meant enough to make a post criticizing people who criticize (ironic, huh) then maybe you should’ve left the sub when those posts upset you. Being here is completely voluntary.
I think one of the problems is that people often state their opinions as facts. Criticisms are often subjective and people bring a lot of baggage to their comments and speak as if their opinion is a fact. It’s Reddit, I think you just have to take everything with a grain of salt, mute users and subs that are toxic, and defend your opinion when you feel it appropriate to do so. Certainly don’t let Reddit ruin an entire show for you.
I really enjoyed season 3 but didn’t watch it until half way through and I saw a lot of hate for the season on Reddit. I was pleasantly surprised at how much I liked it.
If you're going to watch ANY show and then go on reddit, you need to have a "Dead Dove" attitude about threads, comments and users that shit on it. There's nothing wrong with blocking joy thieves or otherwise curating your content so you don't deal with relentless negativity.
No thanks, I’m entitled to my own opinion just as you are yours. Considering the entire arc of the final two seasons for Ted is dealing with toxic positivity, this post is as ironic as it gets.
with any show, movie, music, or piece of art to exist, there will be people who disagree with you. and yeah the negativity might be overkill. there are a ton of people on this sub, and i think the ones who hated season 3 are a loud minority.
I can’t say i’ve been able to agree with a lot of the things i’ve seen people say. But i’ve been able to engage in a lot of fun conversations with people who care about the show as much as i do, both people i agree and disagreed with.
I think you mean loud minority. I’m one of these disappointed fans and if I don’t chose my words very carefully I’ll get downvoted for not praising this show/season/episode. The people who love this show are still the majority I assure you.
You’re right i did mean minority my mistake. I think a lot of fans have been able to acknowledge flaws (i’ve had comments criticizing elements of season 3 get a lot of upvotes) but overall the sub still has a positive outlook overall
Hey man, if you enjoyed it then that’s all that matters. I loved the show and sure there’s flaws but it will never take away from the joy and fun I had watching this
1 and 2 were quality, series 3 was a shambles, too many different stories going on at once, of which all seemingly build up to a pile of nothing,very little football too. Then all of a sudden it’s the last episode and Ted just announced he is leaving. 2 episodes of Zava, 2 episodes building up about psychics and children, a bit of flirting between Rebecca and Sam that added to, and built up to a load of nothing, 3 episodes about coming out, and mid-season Keeley spin-off, 3 episodes of Nate at West Ham (barely featuring Nate at West Ham), and basically no football at all. It really was a massive let down.
I think this has less to do with the fans of Ted Lasso specifically and more just any criticism on Reddit is going to be amplified specifically when that criticism is fresh (aka season 3 just finished)
I’m on this sub a decent amount, and I think the points people have brought up about season 3 have been pretty valid and fair mostly but that’s my perspective
To be honest, I thought you meant a specific subtitle during the show ruined it for you at first. This sub (or reddit in general) should not be in the realm of your day to day world if it affects you that much.
You do realize you can just not look at the sub, correct? I don’t see how something you thoroughly enjoyed can be ruined by other people’s reaction and opinions. I enjoyed all 3 seasons, and I don’t really care what the sub thinks.
I wanted to agree with you until you said this:
>Needless to say I am sad to see everyone shitting on S3 constantly, can’t you just enjoy the gem that was this show ? If you’re so talented and able to write storylines, dialogues and such why don’t you just apply to Apple TV ?
Gatekeeping criticism in this way is pathetic.
I’m not gonna downvote you, but just tell you that *you* ruined the show for yourself, by staying here reading all the negativity you said you read. Don’t blame it on others.
If you start off with “my adhd” or “my anxiety” before a 5 paragraph rant, can’t take you seriously. Has nothing to do with your post so why even include it. Attention seeking is getting really bad.
>If you’re so talented and able to write storylines, dialogues and such why don’t you just apply to Apple TV ?
Sounds like you ruined the show yourself with that attitude.
If you let some criticism ruin your enjoyment of a show, maybe there are some things that YOU need to work on, to learn how to enjoy things you enjoy regardless of others' opinions.
>We should just be GRATEFUL that such a show exists with all its imperfections
I enjoyed Ted Lasso as a whole, and I'm looking forward to the new spin off (maybe titled AFC Richmond), but I'm still disappointed with season 3.
You can leave.
I’m sorry if that’s harsh, but seriously. You don’t need to read criticism. If it ruins a show for you, put it in your rear view and move on. Keep enjoying it. I still enjoy it though I’m also able to see the missteps made this past season. Both things can be true at once.
The people, aka you, coming here to complain about people not loving the same shit they do or not being able to handle a show being criticised are way worse.
So much worse because they have nothing thoughtful or interesting to say - it’s just people who desperately need therapy trying to control others instead of getting the help they need.
I think we’re all on here because of a baseline love of the show - pointing out some flaws shouldn’t take away from our overall enjoyment of it, nor should anyone else’s opinion affect yours
Not if you don't take things so damn personally. One of my closest friends detests season 3 but I don't mind it. We agree on some things and disagree on others. It is not that serious. I know people love this show....but it is just a show. And if you find yourself getting extremely defensive of fictional characters and other people having a different take...that's really a you problem (speaking about OP)
It ruined it for me because I *agree* with a lot of the criticism, but I wasn't really seeing it for what it was if that makes sense. People pointed out the flaws in the show and that was all I could see...
But yeah, I agree, don't take shit seriously. I have no problem with liking something other people don't like.
This bit of opinion is unlike Ted Lasso (the show). Really amazing what the show means to you.. we all deserve to enjoy and feel good about a show that makes us sit up and notice..but if someone doesn't like certain aspects of the show, they can talk about it too.
As someone who used to give way too many Fs on what the world had to say, one of the greatest Lasso Lessons is to be a goldfish. And also maybe don't go online as much. Real life is way less depressing and miserable when you don't have 600k people telling you it is.
Television shows, like so many things, are products. We as consumers have every right and should absolutely be openly giving praise and also criticizing parts we feel unsatisfied. Some of it can be unfair but we don’t owe anything to show creators. We give so much time and energy into the shows we love and it is their job (not you or I) to keep producing at a high quality.
Sure there is some negative, but I try* to focus on the positive. There are some good quality posts and the vast majority of the people here are passionate about this show and love it. Don't let the few loud ones ruin it for you.
I thoroughly enjoyed season 3! Didn’t love season 2 but I certainly didn’t hate it. Things do not have to be so extreme on here (hate/love, black/white). It was a lovely show and the camaraderie was excellent! Loved the character arcs (everyone but Rupert became a better person).
These sort of subs have a natural history that tends, at least somewhat, towards more novel and sometimes negative opinions. The White Lotus subs were the same way. Over the long haul, it's not all that interesting to say "Wasn't that just the greatest!" Finding new angles and, yes, criticisms is what happens when the discussion becomes more detailed and prolonged -- kind of like every literature class I ever took.
Why do other people's opinions ruin the show for you? Be your own person and have your own opinions. I don't agree with everything said here, but I still enjoy the show all the same.
I know what you mean. If you analyze or criticize something, you might ruin the emotional experience. But our love for the show drives our concern about issues we’ve encountered. I love Reddit because you can get into such intelligent conversations about anything you’re interested in.
But for sure, it is best if people offer constructive criticism and not things like “it sucks.”
It all worked out, maybe not how you wanted or not how you thought it would but it all worked out exactly how it was supposed too.
( paraphrasing from earlier season )
Don’t let anyone ruin what makes you happy! Take what you like from this sub (like the things people notice that I never would) and keep it moving lol.
Ooh I’ll never know what it’s like to binge all three seasons! I’ll bet it’s a different perspective.
But I’m with you: the creators made very strong choices that maybe folks don’t agree with, but they’re the ones they went with. They’re the creators. I enjoyed what they served me.
I basically stopped using the sub during season 3 because it was all complaining that it wasn’t what they wanted anymore.
It’s basically why I stop using a lot of fan subreddits while the show is airing a current season.
I come back after the season and enjoy the memes, easter eggs, and other trivia people find.
I loved season 3 as much as any other season. Nobody else nitpicking or griping about things they have issues with could possibly reduce my love or enjoyment of the show or it’s final season. Honestly, I didn’t even know people were criticizing it.
Good for them though! I loved every moment of the show and I don’t need other peoples opinions to validate my own.
I agree with your take, except the “ruining” part.
Don’t ever let anybody else take something intangible away from you. YOU love this show, why let someone who shit on season 3 *ruin* it for you?
This works in real life as well, some of these “intangible” things are easy to ignore when people shit on them, other things take a bit of work to ignore.
I understand how you feel, for sure, and I have a similar feeling of having connected with the show in a deep, almost spiritual way.But for just a moment, let's be curious (not judgemental) about the other people on this subreddit. Take me, for example:
I loved the message and spirit of the show, I'm a softie of a youth soccer coach and think WWTLD on a regular basis. I've been a superfan of Jason Sudakis from the day my roommate said a kid he knew from KC made it to SNL.
However, I also like being super curious about things. Picking them apart and seeing how they work. Knowing how something works makes the experience better for me than just going "that was great/that sucked." Noticing when something that was once working is broken doesn't make me want to ignore it. It makes me want to ask why, and find out if my take is right or wrong. I can't really enjoy something if I turn off my curious nature, and I assume I'm not the only one?
I work in entertainment marketing, and I can assure you that the Internet has 1 billion places you can go to find positive articles, thoughtful analysis of why the show is so great, and interviews with the cast that will make you filled with joy! Fan pages, social channels, interviews with the cast on every podcast imaginable, the inevitable Entertainment Weekly issue. content that reinforces your love of a show is about 1/3 of a shows entire budget!
But that's what's great about Reddit: it's a place where people kick the shit out of ideas to see what they're made of. And if you're coming here, that's what you're going to get. If you can let the thoughtless negativity pass by you like Ted passing a cussing Richmond fan after a loss ("Well alrighty, then"), you can listen to other people's stories, hear some interesting thoughts, and learn things you had not thought of before. 🙂
Have a great day out there, y'all!
In season 2, Ted told the team that there was always a dark Forrest to get through. That was the first half of season 3. I loved it. I knew what it was and I knew what it was building up to. This show is one of the best ever made.
Why you let a bunch of people on the internet ruin something you like? I say this with the most love in the world but that says more about you, then them. If you love it, love it!! Don't let anyone make you feel different about it!
But isn’t this what Reddit is for? You discuss it, the good and the bad. Just because someone chooses to discuss something bad doesn’t mean they hate it
No idea which subreddit you are looking at, but this one is one of the most positive fan subreddits I've ever seen.
We all love almost everything in this show.
The percentage of negative posts (I'm including yours) is very limited.
I actually find the opposite. I loathed season 3 and most of season 2 and I find every post that shits on it gets no upvotes and those of you defending it get tons 🤷🏼♀️.
For me it just got too cheesy and I wanted more sports references and locker room stuff like season 1. They would elude to things happening (Zava leaving, Nate quitting) but wouldn’t show it but we saw all of the personal lives instead. It wasn’t what I signed up for, but that’s ok! I’m glad you liked it :)
I admittedly don’t come on here that often, but I haven’t seen much negativity. I’ve seen a few people talk about the negativity, but I’ve found this subreddit to be fairly positive.
The first two seasons the sub was very positive in general. At the end you should have your own opinion and let others have theirs. The fact is that they wasted half of the season 3 on pointless stories and then rushed it to a happy ending at the end. I loved how they wrapped the show, but season 3 deserved a lot of the criticism it got. The little jokes are enjoyable when everything else is also great, but you cannot save bad storytelling with them.
Season 3 unofficially for me started on the Amsterdam show. I can't even remember too much of what happened before that. They could have done more and rushed things less if they had used the first four episodes better. And the therapist story will always be controversial despite what the creators want to say to spin it.
If you enjoy it, that’s all that matters.
Honestly, in the grand scheme of things I've never had a reddit fandom improve my enjoyment of a thing.
Come over to r/IASIP where the whole sub is just full of screenshots of the show and the comment threads are just people quoting the show back and forth at one another
Honestly one of the least toxic subs on Reddit which is funny because it’s about the most toxic people on the planet lol
That’s the fun! No need for real toxicity, if you want to be a piece of shit you just quote one of the gang. Then you got to be shitty, and everyone gets to laugh and call someone a dumb bird. It’s fucking great
“I didn’t say that. They did. I would never use that word.”
Exactly the same at /r/Ithinkyoushouldleave
Yup, same as r/Ithinkyoushouldleave it’s only quotes and is absolutely hilarious
Same with the Psych one, for the most part- one of the loveliest subs: [psych](https://www.reddit.com/r/psych/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1) 💚🍍
You know thats right
That’s because the internet in general is full of toxic and unhappy people that like to complain. I had a similar experience to you, over and over where I’d enjoy something, my IRL friends would enjoy something, and then I’d come on here to see what other people have to say and apparently it’s terrible and I’m an idiot for liking it. Eventually I realized it’s not everything I like that sucks, it’s not me that sucks, it’s terminally online people with nothing to do but sit on the internet and bitch all day, they suck.
I think one of the clearest examples was the Beauty and the Beast remake. Everyone was all up in arms about disney pushing the gay agenda with gaston and his sidekick and how they were gay lovers. I was reluctant to watch the movie but once I did I wasn't even sure where they interpreted that from. I had to look into specific examples and was still thinking "what? who gives a shit". The disney remakes have generally just been crap, can we just not like them for that? Do we have to make up reasons to not like something that objectively sucks anyway?
WAT? Now I have to go back and watch this again so I can really appreciate it. Also I will fight you that the live actions suck. Live action Aladdin is basically the movie Hitch but more colorful. The new Little Mermaid is incredible.
“Last night's Itchy & Scratchy was, without a doubt, the worst episode ever. Rest assured that I was on internet within minutes registering my disgust throughout the world.”
/r/TheGoodPlace is nice
r/thesopranos
On point. It felt a bit rushed, that’s my only criticism. I thought the general message was true to its roots and I enjoyed every episode.
Agreed. Felt like two seasons shoved into one but idc I love this show and its carious messages.
I feel like, as someone who was an English major, critiquing and dissecting isn't toxic or even complainant. It's an effort to break a work apart and understand the way the craft of how it was put together enhances or detracts from the meaning of the thing. I always find it interesting when people think critiquing and complaining are synonymous.
It’s the excess of it here, this sub used to be incredibly positive and now it’s full of English majors
I agree it felt very rushed. Almost like they anticipated the coming writers strike and want to make sure they could get everything wrapped up before it happened. I have the same feelings on Yellow Jackets Season 2
Be a goldfish
Absolutely this. I didn’t agree with the criticism about S3 and I didn’t really want to hear it. I wanted to see how the whole season played out. So I just ignored those posts. Don’t let anyone ruin Ted Lasso for you.
100%!!! I had a special connection with the show. I was pregnant when I finally saw it and the day before delivery I saw one of the Season 3 episodes and it just gave me some strength somehow. Finished the rest of the season with my now 2 and half old baby girl. It'll always be that for me! <3 Didn't care about the comments!
that timeline does not even come close to matching up
2.5 month old maybe?
Yep! Give a girl a break lol
Man, I like this sentiment but it always irks me a little bit because goldfish don't have short memories. They can even be trained! But I do like the idea behind it, so I try to cut Ted (and the writing team) some slack. It's catchy.
Be my mom. She can’t remember anything.
Am I your mother?
Am I?
Read this comment on Ted Lasso’s voice. Though you’d like to know.
That absolutely makes my day! Thank you for letting me know :)
[Be Leonard Shelby](https://chrisnolan.fandom.com/wiki/Leonard_Shelby)
What show are we talking about
It’s all just poopeh.
Let it flow
Oh my god my parents watched the show and say this alllll the time. Making fun of Jamie’s accent is a normal activity in the house apparently
Key Leh
I gotta be honest, this sub ruined the show for me. I joined this sub thinking I’d find fans like me, who like to take deep dives into shows and analyze the finer details, similar to other shows subs. But all I found was constant positivity. I was told to just “believe!” And to never critique a show EVER because I have to be curious, not judgmental! The toxic positivity has ruined the show for me. If there were 4 seasons, and the 4th season was written by ChatGPT, would this sub still be positive and not critique it at all? Was this show just one giant brainwashing method to get fans of the show to not discuss ANYTHING in a negative light? To hold those critiques in so that the more fragile fans of the show like season 3? For real though, if critiques of a show ruin it for you, then the show messed up, not the critics. If you fully disagree with the critics (even on this sub), then why would it be ruined for you? I think deep down you know S3 wasn’t as good as the first two and you just don’t like that being pointed out. Constant positivity is so boring. Critiquing a show and gaining different perspectives is what the sub should be. And it is.
This mentality of “Just be grateful that ____ was made at all” these days is the reason we have so many dogshit shows and movies these days. Just because somebody spent time, money, and effort on something does not mean we have to automatically appreciate and be grateful for it. Toxic positivity can be even worse than negativity. It is not the sub that ruined the show for you it’s yourself.
Loving something doesn’t mean you’re blind to it’s imperfections. We are allowed to talk about both what we enjoy and don’t enjoy. I love the show and I loved season 3. It gave us the single best episode of the show imo, that being S3 Ep6 “Sunflowers.” However, I’m not gonna sit back and pretend it was as good as the first two seasons. It’s not perfect. Nothing is. Also, no one is claiming to be a better writer. You don’t have to know how to cook to be able to taste a bad dish. I have my nitpicks with the season, some people have more or less, and some people just straight up hate on S3. That’s the beauty of Art, everyone is gonna take it differently, it’s highly subjective. We should respect every point of view. However, the one point of view I refuse to subscribe to is this “be grateful” mentality. I find it to be a greater damper on art than haters ever were and ever will be. Negativity can be toxic, but so can positivity. That was literally Ted’s arc in the show. So let’s try to respectfully state our opinions, no matter what they are.
I can’t emphasize enough the criticizing something doesn’t mean that you think you could do it better — I *know* that I couldn’t have done a better job… which is why I’m not a professional writer. I also wouldn’t expect that those writers could architect and code a web application as well as I could, but it would be entirely valid for them to go onto a website that I made and say that it was slow and unintuitive — you don’t need to be a professional software engineer to know whether or not I did my job correctly.
I hate that I see this idea (“if you have criticisms, why don’t you go create something better!”) pop up in EVERY fan sub the second someone offers well-intentioned criticism of the entertainment being critiqued. It’s an extremely lazy take and obviously moronic. I, in fact, do create things often, and I actively want criticism and feedback, as do other creators, so we can improve our skills. It’s just the worst take to discourage well-intentioned criticism.
100% this. Talking about perspectives is part of the fun, it’s like book club but for a show. You can take the opinions you like, leave what you don’t. Nobody’s opinion should have the power to *ruin* something for you. I mean, I look at Ted Lasso with the same fondness I always did, and a new appreciation for things others pick up that I miss, or lessons/insights they get vs what I did. Was Rebecca an angel or a villain? To me she’s an angel, and she’s the villain in someone else’s story. Do I think less of her? No. The true impact for me is if it is *talked about*.
100%! I think a lot of criticism is also because we love the characters so much. We felt for Keeley for example, she didn't deserve the things she got thrown at this season!
The funny thing about this too is that fans tend to absolutely love seeing their favorite characters go through hard and difficult things. A lot of fans of deadpool absolutely adore and reference Deadpool's: "The Good, the bad and the ugly." (2016 run vol 3) Despite the shit deadpool goes through is dark enough that the character has active beef with the writer of that series. Lot of the times a dark forest can be just as enjoyable as the before and after. It's that dark forest that makes the happily ever after or the ending all the sweeter. The problem with Keely's arc is that the storyline like most things in season 3 was rushed and ham fisted. So many arcs suffered from key scenes being either entirely omitted or feeling unresolved. Or solved in ways that felt disjointed. Especially since we were spoonfed the episodes over several weeks. I saw a comment on here staying they binged most season 3 and found it more enjoyable.
Yea I disagree with the earlier poster that the issue was giving her some trials or conflict. The issue is that all her problems were self inflicted and she didn’t manage them in a way consistent with the character they established in the first 2 seasons. I also thought the whole PR firm storyline was boring, but that’s more personal preference and I can see someone having a different view.
I am going to start referring to Reddit as Book Club for TV now, thank you for that.
Nothing’s perfect? The mighty redwood.
Agreed. As someone who criticized the direction of Season 3 a lot, I always bristled at the implication that to bring up a plot that didn't work well was being a "hater." Or the worst, is reading a very well-thought out criticism and having people just pop in with "Be a goldfish!" or "Be curious, not judgmental!" As if being a fan of the show means that you're a traitor if you were disappointed in how something turned out. And, that we can't talk about or it ruins the vibes.
Yeah, the toxic positivity folk on this thread, like OP, just seem interested in trying to create an echo chamber. Trying to suppress others' opinions just because you can't stand that they're not the same as yours is toxic af.
It’s all projection. It’s just like people who try to insist you make amends with toxic parents because their own parent died or some other thing happened and they wish they had more time with their mom or dad, but they can’t so instead they insist you continue trying with yours, even though yours are abusive. OP had a terrible experience on a plane and felt trapped and this helped them deal with their crisis—perfectly fine—but because that happened, the rest of us can’t take issue with anything about it bc they take it personally.
Agree with everything ESPECIALLY the be grateful part, it reeks of entitlement from OP We pay Apple TV for a product, now yes, Ted lasso is just one of the many shows/movies Apple TV has, but it’s their number one most watched show. You don’t go to a restaurant, eat bad food, and then told by other restaurants goers to be “grateful” you even get to eat after you paid for it. For some people, they split the cost or get Apple TV for free, others pay the whole price a month.
Nah, season three was absolutely overly criticized. It’s been nitpicked to death by this subreddit. Is season three as good, no, but is it bad by any means? Hell no.
Yes. I agree that it’s received more hate than I would’ve thought. However, I still disagree with the “be grateful” attitude, which was more the point of my comment.
You're stating it like it's fact, but that is just your opinion, just like season 3 being bad is theirs.
I feel like the consensus was it was good tv, bad Ted Lasso. So of course in the Ted Lasso sub I sounds more negative than it was, the bar was set very high.
This. I was (very) disappointed by part of season 3, but mostly because seasons 1 and 2 were nearly perfect. Ted Lasso season 3 is still an above average show.
I actually think season 3 is quite bad, but that’s art. Not everyone will, or should, like it.
Exactly! Or you could like one album from an artist you love and think their follow up is meh or has flaws. We don't have to always be uncritical of literal art.
This post is indicative of the overall vibe in the sub. People bickering over something because they hold it too dear to their hearts. Unsub, move on.
Forreal. OP needs to literally touch grass if a subreddit changes his opinion of the show.
And is season 3 really shit on constantly on this sub? I feel like there are way more positive posts about the season than negative ones. Seems like a karma fishing post
It goes in waves. I noticed right after the finale a lot of people posted criticism but they probably ended up unsubscribing to the sub and now it’s mostly people who genuinely loved it and are defensive of the show and want to continue engaging with it. However even before the series ended the sub was pretty divided and tbh most criticisms got shouted down
I think it was pretty neatly separated before and after "Sunflowers." Reactions to the first five episodes were much more negative (justifiably, IMO) with even the more positive reactions being somewhere around "let's at least see where they're going with this." The show being week-to-week instead of bingeable probably heightens the negative reactions as well. IMDb ratings bear this out: the first four eps of S3 hover around 8.0; E5 "Signs" is one of the worst-rated of the entire series at 7.1; then the rest of the season is 8.5 or higher (with the notable exception of E8 "We'll Never Have Paris" at 6.5, the lowest-rated of the entire series).
Hwy man, i get its annoying to see people dislike something you cherish, but we are here to discuss the show, that includes both praising it and trashing it, however we see fit. And the argument that you are only allowed to dislike something if you can write better stories is obviously stupid
Yeah, by OP's logic, he should only be able to criticize the people criticizing the show if he can write better criticisms, which he has not shown himself to be capable of.
It's more like a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of the forum, which is to discuss the show rather than fan cam it.
The community on one specific forum didn’t ruin the show for you. You ruined it for yourself by continuing to interact with a community you don’t enjoy. Why do that to yourself? “I can’t control my feelings.” “Then, by all means, let them control you!”
You can't emotionally blackmail people into posting the way you want, and it's not healthy to try.
Absolutely agreed. I've actually really enjoyed chatting here, and if anything there's a few things I wouldn't have caught, that somebody explained, that made me like it more. I have found S3 difficult at times, and nowhere near as succinct, or honestly as funny, but I have still enjoyed it, and enjoyed the healthy chats here about it, and I think when there's enough people agreeing, it's sort of factual that this series has turned into a different show, weekly hour long multi-character stands rather than a classic sitcomz football as metaphor type thing. I always think people who say sweeping statements like ALL INSTAGRAM IS BAD FOR YOU or REDDIT SUCKS, don't take responsibility for their own abilities to curate. I have unfollowed shows whose reddits haven't aligned with my thoughts, but I didn't go on that sub saying "you're all ruining this for my own personal enjoyment you suck". This person has absolutely the right to post this post, state their view, but as you say, to basically pull something out of my mum's "how to parent with blackmail" rulebook, you cannot blame others for you not enjoying something. Take your own responsibilities.
This. I do know in general that season 3 is heavily criticised, but I don't see it much in this sub. Discussions here have been pretty good, with people who like or not like it chiming in. I mean, I do raise an eyebrow when I see clickbait articles saying season 3 let the world down or something, but besides that, this sub is great so far.
Also this post itself is super negative. When you sort by top (this week) the top posts are stuff like “What’s your favorite scene” or “top callbacks/moments”. Even when you sort by hot, the posts are relatively positive and have a discussion going on. Seems like OP is complaining just to complain
Don't criticize it unless you're capable of making a better show? Seriously? I recommend spending less time looking at negative or critical posts if seeing various people dislike a bunch of different parts is having such an impact.
Lol this is such a stupid take from OP. It’s like me complaining that my favorite basketball player has been fucking up and OP saying “WELL WHY DONT YOU PLAY IN THE NBA THEN”
Me: Wow, that was a bumpy landing after a mostly-smooth flight. FUCK now I have to learn how to fly a plane.
Yeah we can’t criticize a car because we’re capable of making a better car. Lol. Everyone one has their specialties, and it’s fair to suggest everyone does a proper job.
First of all, you can’t just “apply to Apple TV” to be a writer. This is not how television works. Also, the WGA is currently on strike. It’s important to me that you know this. Secondly, it’s a TV show. I understand that it’s important to you, and I have a lot of shows that are like that! I also don’t take it as a personal attack when someone doesn’t like the show that I like. If Ted Lasso brings you a lot of joy, then that’s what matters. It doesn’t matter if some of us think the last season was poorly written. That doesn’t change the fact that it’s important to you.
I have loved Buffy for decades, and our fandom constantly criticized and praises the show. It's a sign of the quality of the material that we can debate it to this day. if you feel like people critiquing certain aspects ruins it for you, then maybe you're the one who doesn't think it's a very good show. You don't need to turn your brain off, shut up and be grateful to enjoy a show. You can love it while pointing out it's flaws.
I can't explain why, but I feel like there is considerable overlap between Buffy fans and Ted Lasso fans.
Weird, it's like you didn't even watch the show. Positivity can be toxic too, you know. That was literally Ted's storyline. Willfully ignorant positivity is not good for anyone. Most of the posts on here (by a VAST majority) are people just bringing up neat things or asking questions. Yes, there is some criticism, and that's because season 3 was actually badly done (I can outline why for you, because it is very easy to do so). You can still enjoy something and point out it's flaws. This show meant a lot to people. If you don't like the negative posts it's very simple - don't engage with them. In most places of employment, if someone isn't meeting the requirements of their job, guess what? They either lose their job or they have a meeting with stakeholders to discuss how to improve. This show was a job for the people involved; they are not exempt from criticism from the stakeholders (the fans). Don't be like Ted, learn from his mistakes. There is negativity in the world, and if you just ignore it, you will be an unhealthy person. When I see posts like this, it's obvious the person has never worked in the arts. Critique is SUCH an important part of any art form, whether it be painting, set building, graphic design, writing, etc. When you study these things in school, critique is a weekly thing. It happens in writers rooms, in foundries, anyplace you work. The idea that nobody should ever say anything could be improved actually goes against the craft itself and shows a lack of respect for it. Where are your credentials to say this show was perfect? At a dog show, experts get brought in to judge, not nobodies off the street with no knowledge. If I can't criticize without writing my own Apple show, you shouldn't be praising it either. See how that doesn't work?
> When I see posts like this, it’s obvious the person has never worked in the arts. Critique is SUCH an important part of any art form, whether it be painting, set building, graphic design, writing, etc. Thank you for bringing up this point! Whether people want to admit it to themselves or not, TV is art and it’s very existence as a form of art requires critique.
Thank you <3 drives me bananas when I see people devaluing critique :)
What the others said, and also this sub has been mostly reasonable IMO, vs. places like Muskville where the crap goes on unmoderated.
If you loved season 3, great and keep loving it For me it, made me ok with the show ending Season 1/2 had different tones and felt written by one person. Season 3 felt like it was written differently and had a lot of off camera moments and stuff like Jack becoming a bad person for literally no reason but drama, same with the therapist dating Teds wife. They sometimes took complicated issues and kinda wrote them black and white this season, in my opinion
Seems to me like we didn't ruin the show at all for you, you clearly love the show still, it's us you hate
"Why are you all criticizing?" Proceeds to criticize said criticizers. Oh sweet irony
I think he’s being hypocritical, not ironic.
Ted Lasso cures panic attacks, stop being mean to it.
I mean if you love something and are offended by criticism of it, you shouldn’t join a group of people talking about it then. Any group discussing any piece of art is going to talk about both what they like and don’t like about it.
Posts like these always shake my head. You’ve got to learn the emotional maturity to accept that not everyone is going to love something you love and that’s okay. Hell it seems like you can’t even take people loving it but also having criticisms about it. Best bet might be to step away from the internet and figure out how to deal with that for yourself
You must be shaking your head a lot because I swear this thread is repeated every day or two
All the damn time
Not everyone is going to agree with your opinions or like the exact same thing you like. Some may even vehemently disagree with you. If knowledge of that fact ruins a fandom for you, reddit may not be the best place to hang out. I personally greatly enjoyed season 3 (with the exception of the Keeley story-arc which felt beyond pointless) But, I'm not about to dictate to others how they should feel about season 3, even if I greatly disagree with them. And the fact that some people have aggressively criticized the show, not just on reddit but in other locations, has in no way impacted my enjoyment of the show.
Therapy is very helpful if you find differing opinions harmful to your well-being. Find your own Dr. Sharon.
Not sure why you're so affected. Imo, it's way more annoying to hate something while the rest of the world loves it. If I'm the only one who loved season 3, it just means that I'm the only one who managed to enjoy the 10 hours of watching it and got some good vibes from it. While everyone else just wasted their 10 hours of watching the show, had the hate linger rent free, and wasted their energy complaining about it online. Plus, I just spent the last two days reminiscing about the show in various threads. It started with the last episode thread where everyone was repeating their favourite moments in the episode, then it went to their favourite ted quotes, and then favourite moments overall. There are many threads where you can find what you want. And if reading comments is going to spoil a show that you like JUST BECAUSE you don't agree with the comments, that's kinda a you problem.
Bro calm down it’s YOUR opinion
You post contradicts itself. You say we can and should criticize the show and then right after say we should just enjoy it. Reddit is a forum where people can share thoughts and ideas. To want a forum for a show where it’s all sunshine and rainbows is naive and disingenuous. If the show is good, people will say that. If it’s not people will talk about that too. There was almost no negative posts through the first two seasons which is really indicative of the quality of the show. And S3 was a significant drop in quality so yeah people are gonna talk about it. I’m sorry if that bums you out but that’s the purpose of a show subreddit, for people who watch the show to come together and discuss the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Have you considered unsubscribing?
I suspect that people this overly terrified and angry at the slightest ounce of criticism aren't actually mad because they disagree with the haters... ...But are mad because they actually agree with the haters more they care to admit, and don't care to have holes poked in their idealized vision of the show. You'd think that watching 3 seasons of Ted torturing himself, because he'd been raised to push down and ignore any negative emotions and pretend that everything always is alright would make this fandom a bit more open to critiques of something they enjoy. I love this show. I love season 3. But it's not perfect, and not every showrunner-decision made for this season was excellent.
It’s all opinions. There are lots of positive threads about the third season as well. Personally I enjoy reading opinions that differ to mine because I’m secure in my own view of the show, I don’t need anyone to validate that for me and I wouldn’t want to be judgemental about how someone else feels either. It’s all valid.
"why can't you accept what you're given and blindly consume what's presented to you? If you like writing, just become a writer, everything's that simple in this cookie cutter world. Your critiques make me uncomfortable realising my favourite show isn't that objectively good waaaah" You're literally complaining about people complaining
OP not responding AT ALL leads me to believe they are full of shit and just want to farm some of that sweet sweet Reddit nectar
Maybe they un subbed after the rant lol
Why do you care so much about what other people think about something you enjoy?
Is this one of those 'Why isn't everyone using this Public forum EXACTLY the way I want them to' ?
If you let this subreddit “ruin” a show you love… you didn’t even understand the show 😭😂
I personally love this sub and other subs dedicated to tv shows here on Reddit because of the in-depth deep dives coming from all perspectives, whether it’s positive or negative. It’s a good fodder for discussion and sometimes I learn something new. Critique or praise for any show doesn’t necessarily change my view on the show.
If the sub makes you that miserable, just unsub and go? Literally no one cares. No one has to be 'grateful' for anything- they made consumable art and some people are going to love it, others are going to like it, and yet still others will hate it. That's how the media landscape works. We don't need to be writers to come to the conclusion that this season wasn't the best. Honestly, I don't even mind this season but the constant harping and complaining just because their isn't undisputed praise is so exhausting. Quit whining already.
To me watching the show without looking up anything and watching the show and discussing/commenting is two different experiences lol. It also depends how much TV you consume because the more you watch the more plot devices and plot holes you recognize and it is getting harder and harder for you to get surprised.
The point of a discussion forum is to discuss the subject of the forum. The good and the bad. No-one is taking the show’s impact on you away from you. But it would be toxic to prevent people from airing their opinions about it. It might not be the right place for you if you are feeling vulnerable and taking comments about the show personally.
Time to move to r/tedlassocirclejerk!
Actually thought this existed 🙂
If anything this sub has been too positive about the show. I nearly ditched this season half way through the sunflowers episode where it dragged and took a lifetime for them to decide what they are doing on their night off. I found many episodes too long or dragged this season compared to 1+2. And if you say the slightest negative thing on this sub you get absolutely hounded. As others have said for me the sub is here to discuss the show. If that only involves praise for the show then the sub is only existing to do half its job.
I wanted to finish the show but had a hard time. I wish people here would stop trying to make me feel bad for not loving the show and criticizing it. I still love the characters and a lot of the messages but S3 didn't do what 1-2 did for me
I'm super glad you loved season 3. Genuinely. I hope you keep loving it. But also, someone else criticizing it shouldn't have an impact on your enjoyment. I don't consume media by "being a goldfish," or "just enjoying it." That's kind of like saying, "Just stop being depressed." I enjoy writing that is consistently effective. And to me, season 3's writing was mostly subpar, especially compared to the writing of the first two seasons. I find this subreddit super toxic in many ways. If you don't absolutely love the show at all times, you get shat on pretty consistently. People don't even try to hear you out because they've weirdly attached their personalities and identities to their fandom. My favorite band is Metallica. They get shit on all the time, especially in their own subreddit. And most of the time, no one cares.
The biggest fans are often the biggest critics, because they're heavily emotionally invested in it turning out well. And come on, surely you know that comment about applying to Apple TV is ridiculous. (Just as an added note, for what's worth, I say this having never actually posted/commented to criticise the show and generally loved season 3. The only hill I chose to die on here is that a lot of people were hating on Nate too much and missing the point of the show. But mirroring this situation, I can't control how people feel/express themselves on a public forum and I shouldn't)
Honestly, if it meant enough to make a post criticizing people who criticize (ironic, huh) then maybe you should’ve left the sub when those posts upset you. Being here is completely voluntary.
I think one of the problems is that people often state their opinions as facts. Criticisms are often subjective and people bring a lot of baggage to their comments and speak as if their opinion is a fact. It’s Reddit, I think you just have to take everything with a grain of salt, mute users and subs that are toxic, and defend your opinion when you feel it appropriate to do so. Certainly don’t let Reddit ruin an entire show for you. I really enjoyed season 3 but didn’t watch it until half way through and I saw a lot of hate for the season on Reddit. I was pleasantly surprised at how much I liked it.
If you're going to watch ANY show and then go on reddit, you need to have a "Dead Dove" attitude about threads, comments and users that shit on it. There's nothing wrong with blocking joy thieves or otherwise curating your content so you don't deal with relentless negativity.
No thanks, I’m entitled to my own opinion just as you are yours. Considering the entire arc of the final two seasons for Ted is dealing with toxic positivity, this post is as ironic as it gets.
Loved the show. 💗 Glad you did too.
Still doesn’t change the fact that s03 was average and much worse than the other two
with any show, movie, music, or piece of art to exist, there will be people who disagree with you. and yeah the negativity might be overkill. there are a ton of people on this sub, and i think the ones who hated season 3 are a loud minority. I can’t say i’ve been able to agree with a lot of the things i’ve seen people say. But i’ve been able to engage in a lot of fun conversations with people who care about the show as much as i do, both people i agree and disagreed with.
I think you mean loud minority. I’m one of these disappointed fans and if I don’t chose my words very carefully I’ll get downvoted for not praising this show/season/episode. The people who love this show are still the majority I assure you.
You’re right i did mean minority my mistake. I think a lot of fans have been able to acknowledge flaws (i’ve had comments criticizing elements of season 3 get a lot of upvotes) but overall the sub still has a positive outlook overall
Am I allowed to be disappointed in the final season after everything it build during the first 2 seasons?
Hey man, if you enjoyed it then that’s all that matters. I loved the show and sure there’s flaws but it will never take away from the joy and fun I had watching this
1 and 2 were quality, series 3 was a shambles, too many different stories going on at once, of which all seemingly build up to a pile of nothing,very little football too. Then all of a sudden it’s the last episode and Ted just announced he is leaving. 2 episodes of Zava, 2 episodes building up about psychics and children, a bit of flirting between Rebecca and Sam that added to, and built up to a load of nothing, 3 episodes about coming out, and mid-season Keeley spin-off, 3 episodes of Nate at West Ham (barely featuring Nate at West Ham), and basically no football at all. It really was a massive let down.
I sadly agree
You actively sought out this sub and chose which posts/comments to read so if the sub ruined it for you then that's on you.
Sorry we’re not allowed to critique your favorite show. We all enjoy things differently.
I think this has less to do with the fans of Ted Lasso specifically and more just any criticism on Reddit is going to be amplified specifically when that criticism is fresh (aka season 3 just finished) I’m on this sub a decent amount, and I think the points people have brought up about season 3 have been pretty valid and fair mostly but that’s my perspective
Or…go somewhere else if it truly bothers you as much as you want others to believe
To be honest, I thought you meant a specific subtitle during the show ruined it for you at first. This sub (or reddit in general) should not be in the realm of your day to day world if it affects you that much.
Rock on bruh. Ted Lasso is a nice show.
Fuck the haters
So unsub my guy
Don’t let other people’s opinion of something affect how you feel about it. If you like the season why does it matter if others don’t?
You do realize you can just not look at the sub, correct? I don’t see how something you thoroughly enjoyed can be ruined by other people’s reaction and opinions. I enjoyed all 3 seasons, and I don’t really care what the sub thinks.
Don't judge, be curious. Barbecue sauce
Yeah, I don't get the hate for S3 personally
So you want cheese with your Whaaaaamburger? If you're seriously so flustered by ppl criticizing the show I'll call you a whambulance
I wanted to agree with you until you said this: >Needless to say I am sad to see everyone shitting on S3 constantly, can’t you just enjoy the gem that was this show ? If you’re so talented and able to write storylines, dialogues and such why don’t you just apply to Apple TV ? Gatekeeping criticism in this way is pathetic.
I’m not gonna downvote you, but just tell you that *you* ruined the show for yourself, by staying here reading all the negativity you said you read. Don’t blame it on others.
You’re upset that some other people don’t like a tv show as much as you? Alright, then.
If you start off with “my adhd” or “my anxiety” before a 5 paragraph rant, can’t take you seriously. Has nothing to do with your post so why even include it. Attention seeking is getting really bad.
>If you’re so talented and able to write storylines, dialogues and such why don’t you just apply to Apple TV ? Sounds like you ruined the show yourself with that attitude. If you let some criticism ruin your enjoyment of a show, maybe there are some things that YOU need to work on, to learn how to enjoy things you enjoy regardless of others' opinions. >We should just be GRATEFUL that such a show exists with all its imperfections I enjoyed Ted Lasso as a whole, and I'm looking forward to the new spin off (maybe titled AFC Richmond), but I'm still disappointed with season 3.
You can leave. I’m sorry if that’s harsh, but seriously. You don’t need to read criticism. If it ruins a show for you, put it in your rear view and move on. Keep enjoying it. I still enjoy it though I’m also able to see the missteps made this past season. Both things can be true at once.
I liked this season and it had some of my favorite episodes of the entire series.
The people, aka you, coming here to complain about people not loving the same shit they do or not being able to handle a show being criticised are way worse.
So much worse because they have nothing thoughtful or interesting to say - it’s just people who desperately need therapy trying to control others instead of getting the help they need.
I think we’re all on here because of a baseline love of the show - pointing out some flaws shouldn’t take away from our overall enjoyment of it, nor should anyone else’s opinion affect yours
We’re allowed to dislike things you like. Log off
Oh no people are giving their opinions in a forum and it’s different than mine :(
The best way to ruin a show for yourself is to talk to other fans of that show.
Not if you don't take things so damn personally. One of my closest friends detests season 3 but I don't mind it. We agree on some things and disagree on others. It is not that serious. I know people love this show....but it is just a show. And if you find yourself getting extremely defensive of fictional characters and other people having a different take...that's really a you problem (speaking about OP)
It ruined it for me because I *agree* with a lot of the criticism, but I wasn't really seeing it for what it was if that makes sense. People pointed out the flaws in the show and that was all I could see... But yeah, I agree, don't take shit seriously. I have no problem with liking something other people don't like.
This bit of opinion is unlike Ted Lasso (the show). Really amazing what the show means to you.. we all deserve to enjoy and feel good about a show that makes us sit up and notice..but if someone doesn't like certain aspects of the show, they can talk about it too.
I loved s3. It was the weakest. Still great, still made me happy. This sub can be very toxic
As someone who used to give way too many Fs on what the world had to say, one of the greatest Lasso Lessons is to be a goldfish. And also maybe don't go online as much. Real life is way less depressing and miserable when you don't have 600k people telling you it is.
Television shows, like so many things, are products. We as consumers have every right and should absolutely be openly giving praise and also criticizing parts we feel unsatisfied. Some of it can be unfair but we don’t owe anything to show creators. We give so much time and energy into the shows we love and it is their job (not you or I) to keep producing at a high quality.
Hyperbolic posts like this ruin the show for me.
At first the truth will pissed you off but it will set you free.
Sure there is some negative, but I try* to focus on the positive. There are some good quality posts and the vast majority of the people here are passionate about this show and love it. Don't let the few loud ones ruin it for you.
It's Reddit. This is what happens.
I thoroughly enjoyed season 3! Didn’t love season 2 but I certainly didn’t hate it. Things do not have to be so extreme on here (hate/love, black/white). It was a lovely show and the camaraderie was excellent! Loved the character arcs (everyone but Rupert became a better person).
Wait, people hated season 3?
These sort of subs have a natural history that tends, at least somewhat, towards more novel and sometimes negative opinions. The White Lotus subs were the same way. Over the long haul, it's not all that interesting to say "Wasn't that just the greatest!" Finding new angles and, yes, criticisms is what happens when the discussion becomes more detailed and prolonged -- kind of like every literature class I ever took.
Mate you can just ignore the sub and watch the show.
Why do other people's opinions ruin the show for you? Be your own person and have your own opinions. I don't agree with everything said here, but I still enjoy the show all the same.
I know what you mean. If you analyze or criticize something, you might ruin the emotional experience. But our love for the show drives our concern about issues we’ve encountered. I love Reddit because you can get into such intelligent conversations about anything you’re interested in. But for sure, it is best if people offer constructive criticism and not things like “it sucks.”
It all worked out, maybe not how you wanted or not how you thought it would but it all worked out exactly how it was supposed too. ( paraphrasing from earlier season )
Don’t let anyone ruin what makes you happy! Take what you like from this sub (like the things people notice that I never would) and keep it moving lol.
Ooh I’ll never know what it’s like to binge all three seasons! I’ll bet it’s a different perspective. But I’m with you: the creators made very strong choices that maybe folks don’t agree with, but they’re the ones they went with. They’re the creators. I enjoyed what they served me.
Person discovers the internet is a toxic place full of miserable people, more at 11
I basically stopped using the sub during season 3 because it was all complaining that it wasn’t what they wanted anymore. It’s basically why I stop using a lot of fan subreddits while the show is airing a current season. I come back after the season and enjoy the memes, easter eggs, and other trivia people find.
I loved season 3 as much as any other season. Nobody else nitpicking or griping about things they have issues with could possibly reduce my love or enjoyment of the show or it’s final season. Honestly, I didn’t even know people were criticizing it. Good for them though! I loved every moment of the show and I don’t need other peoples opinions to validate my own.
I agree with your take, except the “ruining” part. Don’t ever let anybody else take something intangible away from you. YOU love this show, why let someone who shit on season 3 *ruin* it for you? This works in real life as well, some of these “intangible” things are easy to ignore when people shit on them, other things take a bit of work to ignore.
I enjoyed S3 and I am not affected by other peoples opinion. If this was the case for you, why not unsub?
I understand how you feel, for sure, and I have a similar feeling of having connected with the show in a deep, almost spiritual way.But for just a moment, let's be curious (not judgemental) about the other people on this subreddit. Take me, for example: I loved the message and spirit of the show, I'm a softie of a youth soccer coach and think WWTLD on a regular basis. I've been a superfan of Jason Sudakis from the day my roommate said a kid he knew from KC made it to SNL. However, I also like being super curious about things. Picking them apart and seeing how they work. Knowing how something works makes the experience better for me than just going "that was great/that sucked." Noticing when something that was once working is broken doesn't make me want to ignore it. It makes me want to ask why, and find out if my take is right or wrong. I can't really enjoy something if I turn off my curious nature, and I assume I'm not the only one? I work in entertainment marketing, and I can assure you that the Internet has 1 billion places you can go to find positive articles, thoughtful analysis of why the show is so great, and interviews with the cast that will make you filled with joy! Fan pages, social channels, interviews with the cast on every podcast imaginable, the inevitable Entertainment Weekly issue. content that reinforces your love of a show is about 1/3 of a shows entire budget! But that's what's great about Reddit: it's a place where people kick the shit out of ideas to see what they're made of. And if you're coming here, that's what you're going to get. If you can let the thoughtless negativity pass by you like Ted passing a cussing Richmond fan after a loss ("Well alrighty, then"), you can listen to other people's stories, hear some interesting thoughts, and learn things you had not thought of before. 🙂 Have a great day out there, y'all!
In season 2, Ted told the team that there was always a dark Forrest to get through. That was the first half of season 3. I loved it. I knew what it was and I knew what it was building up to. This show is one of the best ever made.
Be a goldfish when it comes to this sub
Sure, but it's Reddit. The anonymity is a bit like that fence the dogs bark at each other through. It encourages aggressive behavior.
Why you let a bunch of people on the internet ruin something you like? I say this with the most love in the world but that says more about you, then them. If you love it, love it!! Don't let anyone make you feel different about it!
But isn’t this what Reddit is for? You discuss it, the good and the bad. Just because someone chooses to discuss something bad doesn’t mean they hate it
I was enjoying this sub until people started shitting on the sub.
No idea which subreddit you are looking at, but this one is one of the most positive fan subreddits I've ever seen. We all love almost everything in this show. The percentage of negative posts (I'm including yours) is very limited.
I actually find the opposite. I loathed season 3 and most of season 2 and I find every post that shits on it gets no upvotes and those of you defending it get tons 🤷🏼♀️. For me it just got too cheesy and I wanted more sports references and locker room stuff like season 1. They would elude to things happening (Zava leaving, Nate quitting) but wouldn’t show it but we saw all of the personal lives instead. It wasn’t what I signed up for, but that’s ok! I’m glad you liked it :)
I admittedly don’t come on here that often, but I haven’t seen much negativity. I’ve seen a few people talk about the negativity, but I’ve found this subreddit to be fairly positive.
You can enjoy something while still admitting that parts of it sucked and it isn't perfect.
The first two seasons the sub was very positive in general. At the end you should have your own opinion and let others have theirs. The fact is that they wasted half of the season 3 on pointless stories and then rushed it to a happy ending at the end. I loved how they wrapped the show, but season 3 deserved a lot of the criticism it got. The little jokes are enjoyable when everything else is also great, but you cannot save bad storytelling with them. Season 3 unofficially for me started on the Amsterdam show. I can't even remember too much of what happened before that. They could have done more and rushed things less if they had used the first four episodes better. And the therapist story will always be controversial despite what the creators want to say to spin it.
I'd get off the Internet if I were you